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In yet another attack by a ‘rogue’ Afghan soldier, four French troops were shot dead last week.

Cartoon: Warren Brown

Proponents of the current post-modern war fighting doctrine continue to believe we can make people love us.  Counterinsurgency has been a convenient doctrine swallowed by Western leaders as a politically correct way to fight a war. But it is built on the well-meaning principle of “hearts and minds” when it is nothing more than an unhealthy blend of social engineering and pork-barrel politics. 

The fact is in Afghanistan they love you until the money stops and even then, as the latest incidents show, nothing will bridge the cultural divide.

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  • Smokie says:

    11:20pm | 26/01/12

    those who think they will aquire the oil, or minerals in Afghanistan are a little late. China has already cut the deals quite so time ago for all of this including the scrap metal. The afghans do not want the help from outsides only their money which they gladly take… Read more »

  • MARIA says:

    05:30pm | 24/01/12

    In Afghanistan trust no one and question everything In Australia trust no one and question everything… “there will be no carbon tax under the government I lead”. In a meantime we are told every day by political parties and the media that we are a democratic society . A democracy… Read more »

 

Three more Australians are dead, and seven injured, in Afghanistan. It’s even more tragic because it appears the killer was an Afghan soldier, a colleague. Follow the news at news.com.au. Nathan Mullins spent time with the Australian Special Forces in Oruzgan, and this is his perspective on the many questions that beset Australia about our role in Afghanistan.

Picture: Associated Press

What are ‘we’ doing in Afghanistan? People ask me whether we can win the war. That’s not the important question. The question is whether we should be trying to ‘win’ in the first place. But before that the question is: who’s ‘we’? We the Coalition, we the Australian Army, we Australians, or indeed, we the western world? It’s a long way from Melbourne to Afghanistan, both geographically and figuratively, but when I had the chance to fight in the hills and valleys of Uruzgan with the Australian Special Forces, I did it. I needed to know if ‘we’ should be there.

When I decided to go I thought I represented the Australian Army. While I was there I realized that the people of Afghanistan feel isolated from the rest of the world. They didn’t see me as an Australian soldier, or an Australian really, they saw me as a citizen of a world that was so foreign to them as to barely exist.

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  • Paul says:

    07:09am | 01/11/11

    @ Jarrah: lmfao, darwinism will sort you out, ha ha ha ha ha. Read more »

  • Jarrah says:

    10:16pm | 31/10/11

    Careful wolfie, someone might accuse you of being my alter ego… Read more »

 

In her excoriating review of David Hicks’ memoir My Journey, ABC reporter and author Leigh Sales begins with the following assessment of the blame-shifting psychology of the former Taliban recruit:

Illustration: Michael Perkins, Daily Telegraph

“A sentence near the end of this controversial book encapsulates David Hicks’s attitude to his stay at Guantanamo Bay on terrorism-related charges:‘Any and all inconvenience . . . was brought about due to my incarceration and treatment and that was at the hands of others.’

“In other words, Hicks eschews personal responsibility. Guantanamo: My Journey is a flawed memoir, chiefly because of an astonishing lack of self-reflection.”

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  • Dolores Neilley says:

    11:28am | 29/08/11

    Hicks has not been convicted by any court, he has just been trialled by shonky “MEDIA”. If I have to be honest, between the Taliban and the Liberal Party under wild Abbott there is not such a big difference….If you need a new candidate, corrupt enough to be the leader… Read more »

  • Helen says:

    09:12pm | 26/08/11

    David Hicks was with Muslim troops in the breakup of Eastern Europe, but has his first role of jihadist been forgotten. He was even dimwitted enough to send photos to his mates in Australia.  Afghanistan was his second military posting, this time with Al-Qaeda. Once isstupidity, twice is serious commitment… Read more »

 

American special forces not only assassinated Osama bin Laden in their precision strike on Abbottabad. They also shot holes in Pakistan’s status as a credible and trustworthy ally in the fight against terrorism.

It'll be a while before the US and Pakistan walk hand in hand on security. Photo: AP.

With the now-famous words “Geronimo EKIA”, the USA’s elite SEAL Team Six gave President Barack Obama the solution to a problem that had dogged the world’s major military power for close to a decade.

However, the success of the clandestine raid also handed Obama a new dilemma which may remain with the United States for an equally long period – the question of whether it can trust Pakistan as an ally in the fight against terrorism.

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  • Waz says:

    09:55pm | 15/05/11

    Pakistan. Sharia Law at work. Just remember that. All the suicide murders, where the terrorists have been convinced some kind ofvweird gog will give them dozens of virgins as a reward. In so very many places not just the blood soaked anarchy in, and around, Pakistan. Sharia at work. Read more »

  • John says:

    11:54pm | 14/05/11

    The Liberal Loafer have you ever been to Kashmir. Met the hindu and sikhs who live in constant fear of been killed. Have you ever been asked to pay a tax just because you are a non muslim or face been killed or driven from your home? I guess not… Read more »

 

Here’s some of what the Prime Minister Julia Gillard told the Parliament on October 19 this year (you can read her whole speech starting on page 692 here):

Gillard's not pretending Afghanistan is a walk in the park. Picture: Gary Ramage

To ensure the new international strategy can be delivered, last December the United States committed to a military and civilian surge in Afghanistan. The elements of this surge are now reaching full strength. Once fully deployed, this will take coalition force numbers to roughly 140,000. US forces on the ground have tripled since early 2009. The total force now has the resources required to deliver a comprehensive international strategy focused on counterinsurgency and designed to deliver transition.

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  • iansand says:

    05:24pm | 12/12/10

    I might, after I got a life.  A quest I also recommend for you. Read more »

  • Billy says:

    10:17am | 12/12/10

    iansand - The point is that regardless of who was there in Afghanistan, English, Scottish, Irish or Welsh Regiments it was the ‘British Army’ since the Act of Union 1707.  There has not been an English Army, Scottish Army, Welsh Army,  or Irish Army since the Act of Union.  It… Read more »

 

A common saying in Afghanistan is “we’ve got the watches they’ve got the time.”  A perfect metaphor to describe the Western obsession time and the Taliban’s eternal patience.  That is why U.S Secretary of Defence, Robert Gates’ statement that the United States will not be leaving Afghanistan is exactly the message to send to the Taliban.  If you don’t have the time don’t start a war in Afghanistan.

One of these men is telling it like it is on Afghanistan. Picture: Getty

The simplicity of life in Afghanistan is also a camouflage for the Afghan’s ability to withstand asymmetrical threats from the climate, terrain or a foreign military.  We have failed to recognise their historical capacity to adapt.  Ahmed Rashid, one of the best contemporary authors on Afghanistan, suggests that the devastation of the Soviet invasion and subsequent civil war influenced the Taliban state of mind.  The longer we engage the more they evolve – both politically and violently.

They know they don’t have to win the war.  They just have to outlast our domestic time constraints and out-govern Karzai and his corrupt Provincial representatives.

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  • Ken Maynard says:

    12:54pm | 16/11/10

    The way I hear this, I do not see where we win.  It seems to me the Taliban, al-Qaeda & the Karzai government are about the same.  Each are prepared to business with us on a piecemeal basis, or only when it is in their interests to do so.  Each… Read more »

  • Ryan says:

    12:47pm | 16/11/10

    @St. Michael: yep you are right, sorry I am ashamed of myself. Read more »

 

I have listened with great interest to this week’s parliamentary debate about Australia’s involvement in Afghanistan, just as I have listened with great interest to this debate for the past nine years, since October 7th, 2001, when Operation Enduring Freedom was launched by the United States and its allies, including Australia, so that freedom so bravely won by the people of Afghanistan from communist oppression, and so cruelly lost over the following decade to civil war and Taliban misrule, may indeed return, and this time endure.

History will be the judge on Afghanistan. Photo: AFP.

I have listened to this debate and heard many arguments that we should abandon our mission in Afghanistan. 

Some of these arguments are passionate, others cold and rational; some seem sincere, while others callous. And all of them are wrong.

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  • petery says:

    08:13am | 28/12/10

    The debate here reminds me of the Vietnam period, and ‘like that war,in all likelihood,  this war will end,(if it ever does),the same way.It could still end in negotiated truce, which would tend to make all the black and white arguments about winning and losing, or fighting to the death,… Read more »

  • Katie says:

    01:49pm | 02/11/10

    “Katie, I do actually know about Islam and what I’m saying is correct, and far from being an Islamophobe, I am more Islam-aware. “ Actually you don’t know anything about Islam, and you absolutely an Islamophobe. ” But you clearly demonstrate one of the strategies of Islam.” Islam has no… Read more »

 

The beginning of the debate into Australia’s commitment to the war in Afghanistan is a refreshing exercise.

Julia Gillard presenting her speech on the Afghan war today. Picture: Ray Strange

For a cynical electorate it has provided impassioned and well reasoned political debate - albeit one in which the major parties agree – and the best thing the new paradigm has provided to this Parliament.

While Julia Gillard and Tony Abbott agreed to the need for Australia to stay in Afghanistan there were subtle differences in the arguments that they made in support of it: one given by somebody with the responsibility for the military commitment, the other from somebody with a firm belief in its ideological commitment.

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  • Against the Man says:

    06:29pm | 20/10/10

    Okay lets put things in perspective. War is complex and there is no easy solution right? Look at page 31 of the daily Telegraph today. taxpayer subsidised uni nursing grads can’t get jobs when there is a very great nursing shortage, also thanks to the ALP we have the 1st… Read more »

  • ted n says:

    04:56pm | 20/10/10

    @ Gregg you need to check the rapid increase in opium crops in the last decade… yes it has been going on for yonks but kindly research what the crops are worth now and try to explain how millions of dollars are not ending up in the hands of the… Read more »

 

It is fair to say that there is a growing sense of unease in Australia about our commitment in Afghanistan. Twenty-one Australian soldiers have now died.

Blair of Steel. Picture/Getty Images

The latest casualty, Lance Corporal Jared MacKinney, was laid to rest just nine days ago. Five hours after his burial his widow Beckie gave birth to their second child.

Beckie’s friend, Courier Mail journalist Jane Fynes-Clinton, wrote a heartfelt but forthright column about the broader meaning of this family’s private tragedy. She argued on behalf of her friend that Australia should honour Jared’s memory by staying the course in Afghanistan.

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  • Dan says:

    09:16am | 22/09/10

    Jim, the West did invade Afghanistan. That does not mean it was not warrented (although it had nothing to with human rights abuses), but it was absolutely an invasion. Jon, how Islamophobic are you? The Taliban are a pervertion of Islam! Islam is not the problem, extremism is! Just so… Read more »

  • Gregg says:

    02:47am | 21/09/10

    I really doubt that we can put too much on what Blair claims now if he had known what the scene was all about but doesn’t really say what he would have backed, certainly not a ” You’re either with us or against us stance as GWB was looking for… Read more »

 

Advisory: The following post contains graphic content which some people may find distressing.

Everyone suffers in war. No exceptions. I have been travelling to Afghanistan now for over three years. Covering the conflict from an outsider’s perspective, not getting involved or emotionally attached to the people I photograph. This is hard. Maintaining perspective and impartialility each day is challenging.

Watching soldiers die on the battlefield for a belief in something so far remote from them, is at times very difficult. They fight because they are told to and because if they do not, they will probably be killed by an ill-equipped and under trained Afghan insurgent - or a farmer with a grudge and no money to feed his family.

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  • FFS says:

    12:29pm | 30/10/10

    Marilyn, your views are so ill-informed, misguided and plainly wrong, it beggars belief that you have the motor skills to type. Your disgraceful attack on our soldiers is worthy of the deepest shame, but I doubt whether you have the wit to feel shame over the deep swamp of self-righteousness… Read more »

  • Derp says:

    06:15pm | 06/10/10

    Hug them into sumission… good strategy. Read more »

 

Well we’re leaving Afghanistan, it’s just not entirely clear when.

Who's going to be on the last chopper out? Photo: Getty Images

Today Defence Minister John Faulkner has announced changes to our role in Afghanistan that have been made necessary by the withdrawal of Dutch troops in August.

At the same time the Defence Minister gave a qualified timetable for withdrawal between 2012 and 2014, and then assured us that he wasn’t doing that.

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  • Tommy J says:

    10:43pm | 24/06/10

    Leo, please allow this comment as it is important. For those of you who may not know, here are just a few facts relevant to the current military deployments. In Haig’s presence, Kissinger [ex US Sec of State and still political heavyweight] referred pointedly to military men as “dumb, stupid… Read more »

  • Markus says:

    04:53pm | 24/06/10

    It is something I have always wondered. Republics developed independently in many countries out of necessity. Most are stable and conservative, even between leadership changes, because of the conservative nature of the population’s majority. We have seen the result in Iraq of forcing democracy in a country not necessarily ready… Read more »

 

On returning last month from 10 days in the Middle East Area of Operations (MEAO) that included five days in Afghanistan in Kandahar and Tarin Kowt, I was shocked to hear of another attempted extremist Islamic terrorist attack, on that occasion in Times Square.

Members of Australia's Special Operations Task Group in the Garmab Valley, Oruzgan Province. Photo: Supplied

This only reinforces my view that unless we defeat the Taliban and remove the opportunity for their Al Qaeda allies to spew venom through indoctrination, training and support, we will continue to fight them in our own backyard.

The Dutch unfortunately have decided their contribution has come to an end in Afghanistan leaving a capability vacuum in Oruzgan Province where the bulk of Australia’s combat forces are. The military has a maxim that ‘time spent in reconnaissance is seldom wasted.’ Likewise 10 days with our troops on operations was fertile time to reflect and I’ve personally concluded that Australia should consider expanding its contribution to fill this vacuum and take the lead in Oruzgan Province.

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  • Sean Williams says:

    03:31am | 04/06/10

    Well it seems that made you feel better Tim, glad I could help. You make it sound like Britain forced Australians to take part in the world wars, and that somehow Australians suffered more than the British. It’s the same old Aussie whinge, we get more grief off you lot… Read more »

  • Harquebus says:

    01:44am | 04/06/10

    Then the fighting continues. You can not debate with someone who has been brainwashed with religious garbage from the age of three. Read more »

 

It’s hard to know whether those handling media for the Australian Defence Force are as clueless as they seem or are now openly trying to bait the Australian media.

Pleased to meet you: Some inspiring ADF photos

Yesterday there were a couple of press releases sent out from the ADF.  The first was helpfully entitled: News Stories from Afghanistan – Three news stories for broadcast/publication.

Doing their favourite PLA impression, the ADF has in fact provided three media releases on Australia’s operation in Afghanistan labelled “news stories” and penned from within the organisation.

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  • MarkH says:

    05:46pm | 15/10/09

    T.Chong, casualties of war…how long do you think these guys have to make a snap decision??? 1hr? try .5 seconds friend or foe. Sure innocent people are killed but I dont see you questioning the Talibans tactics by suicide bombing or IED attacks. So what is it? Sure the ADF… Read more »

  • T.Chong says:

    01:28pm | 15/10/09

    Mark: The ADF “Public Affairs/Relations” or whatevr title goes by,  is a propaganda unit- pure and simple, like every other country in every war since David vs Goliath. Just because they are “ours” doesnt lessen the reality of them being paid to spin stories. Look at any neg event concerning… Read more »

 

On 28th July 2009, I flew out of Sydney bound for Bagram Air Base in Afghanistan. It was to be the start of a fascinating trip into the Afghan war zone.

US soldiers launching an artillery attack in Kherwar. All photos by Gary Ramage

I embedded with the American 10th Mountain Division in Logar province, in the East part of the country. I was then shipped out to “The Tip of The Spear” as they called it, to the district of Kherwar.

The unit I joined was part of the Coalition’s blocking force against Taliban forces who are trying to use the area as an alternative entry point to the Wardack province and into Kabul.

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  • Budd says:

    10:58am | 17/10/11

    You really found a way to make this whole procses easier. Read more »

  • Brett says:

    04:53pm | 09/07/10

    After the McCrystall debacle can you blame the risk adverse Australian commanders. Read more »

 

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