Population

Wildlife harvesting advocate Professor Mike Archer AM has been geeing up the anti-vegetarian ork armies with an article putting the boot in for ‘hypocrisy’ over mice. The pesky little critters erupt into sizable plagues in grain growing areas every few years and Archer thereby accused vegetarians of having the “worst possible” diet in terms of suffering and sustainability.

What not to do when it comes to a sustainable diet

During the robust online debate following his article, Archer produced the following visionary statement on Australia’s food production future:

“In fact (sorry to sound insensitive), but we should not be consuming Australia unsustainably as we are now to feed 50 million people overseas in addition to the rapidly expanding Australian population. It’s a great short-term strategy to make more money and feel we done [sic] our bit to feed the starving millions overseas, but it makes us contributors to the exacerbating global problem of overpopulation rather than part of the solution. If we could just manage Australia sustainably, that would be the beginning of a rational approach to land-use and set a good example for the rest of the world.”

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  • Greg says:

    12:14am | 21/01/12

    Australia can trash all its arable land and destroy all our river systems in a futile pin prick attempt to save the current hundreds of miilions of the world’s hungry and the expected billions of the world’s hungry by 2050. In the end we will not stop a massive die… Read more »

  • Little Joe says:

    09:24am | 13/01/12

    And New Yorkers can eat rats!! Read more »

 

Here’s a simple thought experiment: imagine a glass seemingly empty apart from a scum on the bottom. That scum is yeast that doubles its size every day and you know that, after 60 days, the glass will be full to the brim with that yeasty scum. Question: on which day is the glass half full?

Seven billion and counting. Photo: Herald Sun

Answer: day 59. Just one day before the glass is filled to capacity it’s half full. That’s the sneaky thing about exponential growth.The final spurt happens so rapidly.

Take the world’s human population. We only made it to the first one billion people within the last 300 years. But then we really started packing them in. When I was born in 1963 there were 3.5 billion people. Now, just 47 years later, we’re double that figure and still climbing rapidly.

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  • James says:

    02:55pm | 09/12/11

    It was uncky Adolf wasn’t it and with an name like Thor you might want to think about what happened to him and his pals. Read more »

  • Thor says:

    11:58am | 09/12/11

    It appears that it’s generally only bogans/welfare/ferals that seem to be breeding in western society whilst professionals/educated/contributing members of society are only having 1 or 2 children or even none at all. It will be interesting to see where this country will be in a few hundred/thousand years. I am… Read more »

 

Somewhere yesterday in rural India, the world’s 7 billionth person was born. This event, which should be a cause for celebration, will undoubtedly provoke the population prophets of doom to predict impending catastrophe.

One of 7 billion good reasons why we need more people. Picture: AFP

Last night, Sydney was lucky enough to host the patriarch of the prophets, Professor Paul Ehrlich, who gave an address at UNSW on ‘Population, Environment, and the Millennium Alliance for Humanity and Biosphere’.

Professor Ehrlich made his name at a time of population hysteria, the age of Logan’s Run, the pill and the birth of China’s one-child policy. He is most famous for his 1968 work, The Population Bomb, which predicted immense social upheaval, massive resource shortages and the deaths of hundreds of millions of people from starvation due to a “population explosion”.

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  • Realist says:

    10:05pm | 13/12/11

    I think this is a great article. Declining fertility is causing major economic problems in developed countries. Eg how to pay the rising cost of health care with a declining working population. Only answer is too much immigration which can lead to other social problems. I love the way the… Read more »

  • Marg says:

    09:46am | 09/11/11

    I hope the author will donate his brain upon death to science so that they can examine what is wrong with it. Alternatively, he may be an undercover agent for the pope or someone similar who wants a pop explosion for vested interest reasons. Read more »

 

The United Nations estimates that the world’s population will reach seven billion sometime in late October or early November. The sixth billion was arrived at in 1999, and it is significant that the seventh billion took the same number of years (12) to add as the sixth.

Fortunately for this bicycle, the author argues that the world population is actually stabilising. Pic: AFP

This is relevant because prior to that, there had been a progressive shortening of the time taken to add billions to the human population. The first billion was reached in 1804, taking many thousands of years of human evolution to achieve. Thereafter successive billions were added in 123, 32, 15 and 13 years respectively.

This reflects a slowing down in global population growth from a high of 2.1 per cent per annum in the late 1960s to 1.2 percent per annum currently.

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  • RBarron says:

    08:56am | 31/10/11

    UNICEF Nigerian Polio Vaccine Contaminated with Sterilizing Agents Scientist Finds BY LIFESITENEWS.COM •  Thu Mar 11, 2004 12:15 EST KADUNA, Nigeria, March 11, 2004 (LifeSiteNews.com) - A UNICEF campaign to vaccinate Nigeria’s youth against polio may have been a front for sterilizing the nation. Dr. Haruna Kaita, a pharmaceutical scientist… Read more »

  • RBarron says:

    10:52pm | 30/10/11

    LC here is a links National Security Study Memorandum 200 directive from Kissinger. http://nixon.archives.gov/virtuallibrary/documents/nssm/nssm_200.pdf Link which is 123 pages National Security Study Memorandum200 http://pdf.usaid.gov/pdf_docs/PCAAB500.pdf Mate straight from the National Security Study Memorandum 200 Mineral and Fuel 8. Rapid population growth is not in itself a major factor in pressure on… Read more »

 

The existence of a fountain of youth that restores the health and youth of anyone bathing in its waters has tantalised humanity for centuries.

114 and counting. Photo: AFP.

Substitute the mythical water for modern-day medicine and we could, in the next decade, see medicines that slow the ageing process and help us live to 150 years old. 

Life expectancy in Australia is already on a positive trend. At the beginning of the 20th Century, life expectancy at birth was about 55 years for males and 59 years for females.

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  • Troy Flynn says:

    03:38pm | 27/10/11

    Well, if you’re talking movies. I like the idea of a Logan’s Run style exit. I’d just bump up the age you get to go on the carousel. 30 was a bit too early, I’d adjust it to 70.  Or how about we go the “Soylent Green” route. Lie back… Read more »

  • marley says:

    06:55pm | 26/10/11

    Well, look at it this way - they’re probably not going to be having kids at the age of 125. Read more »

 

Recently a colleague mockingly asked me why I bothered writing. I replied: because the quality of debate is appallingly bad.

Better than a rabbit proof fence. Pic: AFP.

Exactly, she said. Thus with a sense of light-hearted despair at the recent banter in the media, I weigh into Australia’s strategic policy apropos the on-rushing war with China.

It appears that the conservative minds that discuss strategic policy are aligning. China is growing, the world is changing, and power is being redistributed. According to those who subscribe to the various brands of “Realist” international relations theory, this situation necessarily entails armed conflict between states.

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  • chopper says:

    03:17pm | 25/01/12

    Bruno you hit the nail on the head. And all those idiots with the stickers “f off we are full” How stupid can humans be? Australia is the 3rd I think least populated country compared to land mass in the world. Only Greenland or iceland has less i believe.. Read more »

  • Deng ZP theory says:

    03:11pm | 25/01/12

    Theres more chance of Pauline Hanson becoming Prima Minister Steve. I am Chinese and a member of the CCP. It is not in our nature to “take over” foreign countries. We never have and we never will. Our aim is to stabilise OUR country and protect ourselves from the foreign… Read more »

 

Listening to the sometimes facile public debate about population growth, it seems that all Australia needs to do to address our population issues is ditch ‘big Australia’ in favour of ‘sustainable population’.

Dick Smith's stunt showed the Government the benefits of using hot blondes to sell serious messages. Photo: AP

With a debate as shallow as this, it’s little wonder that we’ve made little headway in addressing our growing pains.

In 2009, when Kevin Rudd dug the first few feet of his political grave with his declaration in support of a ‘Big Australia’, population growth — led by higher birth rates and record migration — was at an all-time high.  With Rudd safely out of The Lodge, Gillard and Abbott raced to the election trying to see who could distance themselves furthest from the former PM’s sentiments.

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  • MHW says:

    10:30pm | 15/06/11

    Why are you mob fighting about SYD Vs MEL? Grow up! I just hope you all stay where you are in SYD & MEL. Govts now need immigration because apart from ripping holes in the ground (coal, iron-ore etc.) the only real industry here now is the building industry. So… Read more »

  • Dr B S Goh says:

    07:00pm | 14/06/11

    @ fml . Thanks for your comments. I am not referring to the boatpeople now coming to Australia when I say that we face millions of boatpeople coming. We face a critical global food crisis before 2060. The unrest in Tunisia was triggered by record food prices. Tunisia has only… Read more »

 

Population stability in Australia today is all about immigration patterns and policy, not about some notion of enforced family size.

Hey greedy guts, stop trashing your biological inheritance. Photo: Greg Scullin.

If it weren’t for sky-high levels of immigration we would already be well on the track to population stability, as are a number of other much wiser OECD countries.

At least the Burke review did not re-endorse Rudd’s “unapologetic” call for massive population growth.

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  • Save Oz! says:

    02:55pm | 22/05/11

    Capitalism has only been in full swing for 100 yrs. Based on the firm belief that resources are endless,the system is seriously flawed and its proponents dillusional. Only a crack smoking garden gnome with his head up his rectum would believe that a large population is good for Australia. This… Read more »

  • Govt@FauxCitizen says:

    11:29pm | 21/05/11

    I still remember my earliest biology lesson in grade 5, 1969, our teacher had put a peice of apple in a jar in the morning and by lunch a few fermentation flies had called it home then he sealed thm inside and punched several small breather holes in the lid,… Read more »

 

The latest debate over multiculturalism has again exposed the often inflammatory nature of media reporting and its misrepresentation of Australian society.

Illustration: Jon Kudelka: www.kudelka.com.au

A recent study by the University of Western Sydney noted that 87 per cent of Australians agree that “It is a good thing for a society to be made up of people from different cultures”. 

Yet the headline from one major tabloid newspaper was “Australia a land of racists”.

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  • Dave says:

    01:34am | 05/05/11

    There will always be people with no thought beyond immediate self interest who will advocate population, whilst this is happening a first world country becomes a second world country right before your eyes! Read more »

  • John says:

    04:41pm | 27/04/11

    James you are correct on the front about India. As Indias economies grows the water system are now starting to get blocked and even dams been built. This is having a grave effect on the region of Punjab, know as Indias bread basket. Due the changing of the rivers water… Read more »

 

A growing population is not the result of over-zealous politicians and bureaucrats or big business trying to expand their market.

Cartoon by The Australian's Peter Nicholson

It is a result of Australians being healthier, living longer, and having more children. It is because people from around the world want to come here to work, travel, live and study.

Population growth is neither an impending disaster nor something we should blindly strive for—it is simply happening as a result of our economic progress and the collective desires of millions of people.

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  • kumar says:

    08:06pm | 09/12/11

    Australi and USA are the 2 countries, that will see a wave of immigrants from developing countries. Australia is lucky in the sense unlike USA, australia is sorrunded by waters so no border crossing of millions of unskilled workers and as you pointed out, most of immigrants are skilled professionals,… Read more »

  • Immigration says:

    05:10am | 08/04/11

    What is the country that has the most immigrants today? http://www.immigrationdirect.com Read more »

 

Bigger is better even if it’s top heavy and somewhat false.

I got those Big Australia blues. Pic: AP

Carbon tax or not, Australia’s carbon emissions will keep rising, driven by rapid rates of population growth (A Bigger Australia) and increasing affluence. Most of the carbon is domestic but we also own the carbon that China and other manufacturers emit when they make stuff we purchase from our malls and big box stores.

The ‘Bigger Australia’ much loved by Kevin Rudd and the top end of town surfaced again in the last federal election when both major parties scrambled for a ‘right-sized Australia’ driven by disenchantment in marginal electorates where services are tight and solutions oft promised.

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  • Donbeliev da Hype says:

    09:05pm | 24/03/11

    Let’s act wisely.  Stop population growth. Start improving life quality not quantity. Read more »

  • Shifter says:

    06:35pm | 09/03/11

    It takes a certain business attitude to promote new uses of technology. iiNet, although I hate the CEO, are a fairly forward thinking company and already have staff telecommute mainly to save on office space. The roles tend to be minor, call centre staff and team leaders, critical staff are… Read more »

 

Leave the city behind. Leave the traffic and the noise, and the crime and the expensive real estate, and escape to somewhere… idyllic. Sounds great, doesn’t it? Maybe a little too good to be true.

Hmm, now where is the nearest hospital?

Well it is. Watch out all you tree changers and sea changers - life outside the city can be divine. But it’s not some hazy-edged utopian dream.

Apparently Australians are leaving the big smokes - especially Sydney - in droves. They’re going to the coast, or near-city centres, or not-so-near-city-centres.

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  • Northern Steve says:

    12:26am | 09/03/11

    While Noosa is not Mlebourne, it’s not exactly country either.  I suggest that if your commute was 130km each day, then the problem is not the country, but the fact your chose to live too far from your work. I live country, and have a 10 minute commute, seeing as… Read more »

  • Northern Steve says:

    11:24pm | 08/03/11

    NBN?  You’re kidding, right.  My exchange was on the list for upgrade to ADSL.  Since the NBN was mooted, upgrades to ADSL have stopped.  I doubt that I will get the NBN at my place, and if I do, it’ll be at least 5 years away.  eMedicine also has its… Read more »

 

Many doctors are concerned that an overcrowded world will be unhealthy, unhappy and hungry; we must not allow Australia to make this mistake.

In Australia our concerns over the effects of a growing population are just part of our concerns for the health of all our patients. For these reasons Doctors for the Environment Australia has a population policy which explains the links between population and health

It is fairly obvious that the present rate of population growth in Australia has imposed considerable strain on existing health services in terms of trained personnel, finance and administration. Any increase in population must be constrained by the rate at which services can be maintained.+

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  • The Civet says:

    02:53pm | 31/03/11

    I am pleased to see some medicos appear to be worried about Australia’s population explosion. Might I suggest these same medicos will haul all those Catholic doctors who refuse to pass on patients who are pregnant, to medicos who aren’t Catholic. Between Catholics and big business the voting public doesn’t… Read more »

  • Soylentgreen says:

    07:27pm | 01/03/11

    Divert all of our foreign aid to family planning. @ Acotrel - Go live in bangladesh if you love crowds so much. Perth has become a horrible city to live in. I would leave for the country but am trapped by high rents/utilities/water - I can’t save anything - these… Read more »

 

Yesterday I wrote to Prime Minister Julia Gillard expressing concern about a report in The Economic Times,  that Australia intends to ‘target’ Chandigarh, Punjab and other cities in northern India with a promotional campaign in 2012 looking to attract skilled migrants.

Cartoon by The Australian's Peter Nicholson

I told the Prime Minister I do not want the number of skilled migrants to increase, and do not support Australia running promotional campaigns to try to attract migrants.

I cannot see how running promotional campaigns to attract skilled migrants is consistent with the Prime Minister’s pre-election statements that she does not believe in a ‘Big Australia’ and that ‘we need to stop and take a breath’.  I also think this pre-empts the Sustainable Population Strategy for Australia being developed by Population Minister Tony Burke.

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  • Adamsky says:

    09:07am | 22/03/11

    No we will not need a lot of people to “hit the ground running” because that just means that in addition for tax payers having to fork out money for the re-construction, they will have to also fork out money for more housing and infrastructure for the new “skilled immigrants”.… Read more »

  • Adamsky says:

    11:07pm | 21/03/11

    I agree totally Kelvin. But as of now, I have never heard anyone telling the electorate what do to stop population growtht? As far as population growth is concerned there is no democracy. Please tell us what to do to influence the policy to reduce population growth. Read more »

 

I have a challenge for the foodies of Australia.

Mmmm crispy with just a hint of garlic! Ideas man Sputnik in Cambodia.

Yes, you - the ones out there who’ve been glued to Masterchef, thrilling the neighbours with your medallions of immature ovine, steeped in a garcon’s thimble of the reduced subcutaneous oleaginous lipids of the common or garden canard, garnished with a frisson of cresson.

I think it’s time we stepped it up a notch. You may think you are adventurous, perhaps even original. 

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    08:55pm | 06/01/11

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  • papachango says:

    05:33pm | 06/01/11

    You were probably disgusted by the fact that, say, in China and lots of SE Asia, they evacuate their runny noses directly onto the ground. They’re actually quite disgusted by the fact that we Westerners will carry round a snot soaked bit of cloth and keep blowing their nose into… Read more »

 

The Government today was pushed closer to deciding whether Australia should be an under-populated, bijou nation-ette, or a place of strong population growth producing a stronger economy.

Cartoon: Peter Nicholson

Population Minister Tony Burke received reports from three panels commissioned to look at the economic, environmental and demographic factors involved in increasing the number of our citizens.

He will respond in April.

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  • Gabby says:

    06:33pm | 17/05/11

    As the saying goes - Man is the only animal that fouls its own nest ! Growth fetish, as Clive Hamilton called it, is simply about making more consumers for the market.  It is a rush for today and forget tomorrow. The apathy of the Aussie voter is going to… Read more »

  • Matt Rose says:

    04:47pm | 13/05/11

    Reading most of the comments here has lead me to draw the following conclusions: Most Aussies are naive idiots. I’m a seventh generation Aussie, and can’t believe how stupid we have become. The overwhelming majority are convinced that there is no way we can sustain more people in this country… Read more »

 

When it comes to questions of population, ignorance often prevails. The business lobby in Australia, often through its many and varied “independent” centres and institutes, leads the way.

Population growth propoganda specialises in denial. Photo: Cameron Richardson.

Through its complex web of public relations activities, it pushes its population growth propaganda, specialising in denial.

Here are some facts:

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  • Jailene says:

    10:57am | 17/10/11

    So true. Honesty and everything recgoniezd. Read more »

  • Mary Ginseng says:

    06:43pm | 16/02/11

    People are denying God and taking on Science as a replacement, something to worship. However, an increasingly secular society hasn’t really given more credence to science.  We all know in natural systems that nothing can have perpetual growth, and if species keep growing, they end up dying eventually as they… Read more »

 

When did Australia get so ageist about oldies?

Cartoon by The Australian's Jon Kudelka

The Commissioner responsible for Age Discrimination Elizabeth Broderick thinks it’s a good question and says the answer is something the nation should grapple with together. 

Today Broderick launches a new report by the Australian Human Rights Commission, Age discrimination – exposing the hidden barrier for mature age workers. Compiled from a range of research, academic papers and government studies, the report paints a picture of exclusion, ill informed assumptions and even humiliation for older people in Australia.

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  • Rosie says:

    01:36pm | 09/12/10

    To a great extent, I agree with the comments Ambra Sancin made above…with some 37 years experience as a top PA in most professional fields (& up to date knowledge/skills) have recently been told by two young girls at different employment agencies that I didn’t have enough experience !!  As… Read more »

  • Michael says:

    07:04pm | 08/10/10

    Listen to all this tit for tat nonsense about baby boomers, Gen y, x and so on, I’m 57 years old (or young) and very well qualified in both life experience, work experience and academically. Why can’t I get a Job now? Up until about seven or so years ago… Read more »

 

For those of us who feel that Australia is at a crossroad on issues around sustainability the debates related to this topic have been more than a little disappointing – and I am not just talking about the election cycle. The issue of sustainability, carrying capacity and population numbers have all been meshed together to give us a linear equation: less people = more sustainability.

Indigenous people would have argued 1500 migrants was too many.

It is a simple equation that then takes us to discussions about numbers: should we have 180,000 migrants or 220,000 migrants? Is a 2.2 percent rise in population sustainable?

Fascinated by these numbers I thought I would try and come up with my own equation to work out the right number of people who should be living in Australia. It goes something like this:

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  • PopulationParty says:

    11:48am | 18/10/11

    @Michael, ‘stable population’ technically means births (roughly) equaling deaths and immigration (roughly) equaling emigration. If births are below deaths for example, you increase immigration to keep things ‘stable’.  It’s not that complex We support (balanced) immigration, including the current 14,000 refugee intake whch can easily be accomodated in an immigration… Read more »

  • Observer says:

    01:55pm | 16/08/10

    “we’ve developed societies where bearing children is not the centre of existence” Hmmmm, private cash handouts such as baby bonuses, fam tax A and B, paid parental leave, child care rebates;  private sector favouritism such as child-friendly restaurants, parent-only parking bays, private health insurance that is effectively free for children,… Read more »

 

There’s a rather odd immigration debate taking place in this election, characterised appropriately enough, by today’s immigration debate between Tony Burke and Scott Morrison. 

Cartoon by Sturt Krygsman

Minister for (*sustainable) Population Tony Burke began his address talking about all those things that Labor have been stressing in the population debate: sustainability on region by region, arguing that the Coalition are all over the place with their policy and refusing to be pushed into naming a goal population figure: “A sustainable Australia involves a level of detail that will not be solved by finding a glib magic number,” Mr Bourke told the National Press Club today.

Then Opposition immigration spokesman Scott Morrison got up and made his pitch on immigration: it involved talking about boat people almost the entire time. At one point exciting a group of student don John Howard masks and start screaming at Morrison.

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  • Greg says:

    02:27am | 07/08/10

    Maybe nobody mentioned it because it wasn’t worth mentioning? There was no Australian nation before European settlement. There was only a wilderness inhabited by a disparate bunch of stone-age tribes, who had not even invented the wheel or metal tools yet, let alone formed a civilised nation. This is the… Read more »

  • Greg says:

    02:15am | 07/08/10

    OK, if it makes you feel better, we can call illegal immigrants illegal aliens instead. Happy now? Read more »

 

Since becoming Prime Minister, Gillard has been work-shopping the phrase ‘Sustainable Australia’. Like Kevin 07’s, ‘working families’ no-one really has a clue what it means, but the faces behind the PM on the six o’clock news all nod diligently whenever she mentions it. It is almost like they are too embarrassed to admit they have no idea what she is talking about.

Insecurity for our farmers is a bigger threat to sustainability. Photo: Getty Images

I bet that every one of those ALP candidates who nod eagerly whenever the word ‘sustainable Australia’ is mentioned would love it if the Prime Minister could explain what the difference is between a ‘sustainable’ Australia and a ‘big’ Australia if you don’t cut the current immigration rate, or increase the death rate or decrease the birth rate.

It is telling the only actual policy Ms Gillard has delivered in her first four weeks as Prime Minister was to change the Minister for Population’s title to the Minister for ‘Sustainable’ Population. Every other policy she has announced will be delivered sometime in the never never or - never, ever.

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  • Max Rawnsley says:

    12:44pm | 11/06/11

    Allowing the agriculture sector to be destroyed by sale to overseas interests is happening at a rate that would stun most of us.  The economic rationalist s have influenced weak minded politicians to the point its being nearly irreversible.  The loss of added value for our wool started when the… Read more »

  • Freddy says:

    05:54am | 01/08/10

    Like so many here, I think that growing rice in Australia is so wrong.  Perhaps we need to turn to Israel to improve our water efficiency or something, but in reality we haven’t planned living on this continent very well. There is something in what WAKEUP says about the UN… Read more »

 

Over Easter, the then Prime Minister quietly upgraded one of his Mandarins. It was the second time in as many weeks that a Mandarin has been invited into the bunker to receive new instructions.

Watch out. Rudd when he announced Burke as population minister.

This time it was the NSW Right Faction which scored a prize. The part-time Minister for Agriculture, Fisheries and Forestry, Tony Burke, has been asked to come up with a cunning plan to have a cunning plan, and was even given a new moniker to go with the job. Mr Burke, who has always aspired to have his Who’s Who subscription waivered because of Who he was, is now to be know as: The Minister for Agriculture, Fisheries, and Forestry, Minister ‘Sustainable’ for Population.

Three days into the job, the Prime Minister’s first actual policy announcement was to add the word ‘Sustainable’ to the Population Minister’s title. It really does sum up the way Labor is driven by spin.

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  • Alex says:

    09:22am | 03/07/10

    MIichael - Totally agree with you. Julia Gillard could have given instant credibility to Labor’s ‘sustainable’ population strategy had she appointed Kelvin Thomson this position. Mr Thomson has shown leadership on ths issue well before other Federal politicians got interested, has come up with an excellent 14 point plan whicch… Read more »

  • Joseph says:

    01:05am | 01/07/10

    It doesn’t matter whether the right or left are in power. Both must bend to the will of big business and accept neverending population growth. John Howard, for all his smoke and mirrors tough talk on refugees, increased immigration over 200% of what Keating was running it. Immigration will never… Read more »

 

Update: Today’s Newspoll results, as reported by The Australian, show Labor’s primary vote has leapt seven percentage points from 35 per cent after three days of Julia Gillard’s leadership.

During question time last week whenever the opposition attacked Kevin Rudd over asylum seekers Labor MPs would blow on invisible dog whistles. In retrospect that just looked like an early practice session for the Government’s new band.

The Prime Minister leaves her Canberra apartment yesterday. Picture: Tim Hunter

Prime Minister Julia Gillard’s decision to abolish Kevin Rudd’s plan for a big Australia has as much to with concerns with over asylum seekers as it does over population.

Up until this point the Opposition had been cynically and successfully able to merge peoples concerns over asylum seekers and a Big Australia policy. Gillard knows this and yesterday’s announcement was all about whistling a new tune of her own.

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  • Kris says:

    04:07pm | 25/07/11

    At last, someone comes up with the “right” aswner! Read more »

  • alain mckay says:

    10:15pm | 19/08/10

    Labor, as always, big on rhetoric, small on action. Read more »

 

The NSW Government this week announced new zoning for some of our more leafy suburbs, allowing for the development of medium and high rise apartment buildings along the North Shore rail line.

You could fit a few more people in here.

You’d think building apartments near railway stations in a city choked by cars and a rental crisis would be a good idea, but from the reaction you’d think they’d authorised the concreting of a National Park.

While Federal Politicians argue about Big Australia, and just how big is Big, the issue of density has stayed in the sphere of the local skirmish. And while people complain about the urban sprawl of Australian cities, we’re still acutely averse to the concept of raising our children without the luxury of our own back yards. And that’s what back yards are, a luxury. Well a luxury that you have to mow.

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  • Edward James says:

    03:16am | 08/06/10

    @AJ good point i recall in a time before i was interested in politics the Whitlam government promoted decentralisation. Bathurst Orange Albury Woodonga whatever it went no where in fact i also recall growers north west of tamworth wanted to at their own expence to build an airport which could… Read more »

  • DM says:

    06:41pm | 02/06/10

    Big Al, go further out where there are not road tolls on the way Read more »

 

Home ownership is central to the great Australian dream. A home is not only a means of shelter, but the crucible from which personal development, family relations and community bonds spring forth. For many Australians, it is a tangible way in which they can share in the wealth of the nation.

Little boxes…expensive little boxes. Photo: Getty Images

A decade ago, social researcher, Jeanne Strachan, reflected on an emerging concern about housing: “Young couples today are the first generation since the war to face the reality that they often can’t obtain, even with two full-time workers in the house, what their own parents saw as a fair and reasonable reward for their hard work.”

Strachan observed a growing sense of pessimism about home ownership: “Many young couples have an ingrained belief that it is not ‘right’ to raise children in a rented home. They make a very strong emotional link between the goals of parenthood and home ownership. They recognise that before the birth of their first child they will bath have to work to fulfil their home ownership dream.”

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  • Sherekahn says:

    09:05am | 22/06/10

    The only way to stop house prices and rentals skyrocketing is to STOP immigration! It is also a very good alternative to the ETS. Keeping our population stable, we reduce need for further expansion of all things that cause pollution. Read more »

  • Loz says:

    06:01pm | 21/06/10

    Mitzi, Oh how I wish that were true! I am 23 and I have been looking for an old, run down fixer upper - that in time, I can renovate and improve on. In fact, I don’t want a new modern place - I don’t want to pay for somebody… Read more »

 

Last week Gordon Brown called one of his voters a bigot. Her crime, voicing her concerns about immigration policy in the UK. Brown was condemned for an act of outrageous insensitivity and dutifully marched back to her home for a 45 minute apology.

Talking about immigration is not easy in western democracies. There is an elite consensus that seeks to deny the conversation. Apparently, we’re not mature enough to have this discussion without our raw, untamed racial prejudices overwhelming our capacity for reason and having their way.

To protect us all from our dark side, the self appointed elite apply the tags of racism, bigotry and dog whistling to anyone who cares to discuss the topic. After all, it’s for our own good.

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  • Yury says:

    06:36pm | 13/05/10

    By the way, you’ve told my weakness was to draw attention to one particular year. There you gave it yourself: almost quarter-century trend. Anything horrible happened to this country because of it so far? Your last two year increase in NOM, which apparently worries you a great deal is not… Read more »

  • maureen says:

    01:30pm | 13/05/10

    Yury - This is getting a bit like that monty python sketch with John Cleese - his arms and legs hacked off he stands up and says, ‘come on then its just a flesh wound! Is that all you have got?’ Yury I have plenty more. Yury here’s another hard… Read more »

 

In just a few short weeks population policy has turned into a panacea for just about every problem of the modern economy - from immigration to water management and more. Luckily for us, we can now lay these problems at the feet of the world’s first Population Minister, Tony Burke.

Tony Burke being sworn in as Minister for Everything. Picture: Ray Strange

Never mind that many of these problems that have been around for decades, they are now gathering under the banner of ‘population policy’, effectively making Tony Burke the new Minister for Everyone and Everything.

For starters the Minister will need to strike a balance between economic growth and environmental sustainability, and tackle the impact of population growth on urban planning, transport, housing, water (and it seems just about every other type of infrastructure).

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  • Bill Smith says:

    05:46pm | 02/05/10

    Yes, as Minister for Truth. Read more »

  • Mavis says:

    05:45pm | 02/05/10

    Labor lost the debate on population. Now their spin doctors are in damage control and telling us “... the debate is not really that important”. Read more »

 

Australia’s population will be a major issue at the coming federal election.  Not just because of the ongoing problems with Labor’s border protection laws but because Australians are increasingly concerned with the sustainability of our country.

Our middle class lifestyle is costing the environment. Picture: John Fotiadis.

Last year in a rare moment of clarity the Prime Minister made very clear that he ‘believed’ in a ‘big Australia’.  He made these comments on the day that his government announced its population target for Australia of 36 million by 2050

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  • persephone says:

    11:42am | 02/05/10

    Higher density living doesn’t necessarily mean apartment blocks. In the majority of cases, it means subdividing an existing suburban block and building a house or unit in the backyard. Apartment blocks do have a number of advantages, which offset the initial extra costs. Firstly, if they’re inner city, they reduce… Read more »

  • Anjuli says:

    02:05pm | 01/05/10

    It is a fact that a country can service a whole lot more people if they are herded together in big cities . but what about the wide open spaces that go unpopulated ,if they were used for food that would be good,but are not because of poor soil and… Read more »

 

There’s a laundry list of reasons Melbourne could probably already be regarded as Australia’s most prestigious city over Sydney. It hosts the Australian Open, the Melbourne Cup and various other prestige horse races, the AFL Grand Final, and the Formula 1 Grand Prix. The last time Tiger Woods came to Australia, he was in Melbourne.

It's OK, leave. We understand.

What has Sydney got to compete as regular international attractions? There are a couple of world-class restaurants with obscenely-priced menus and a rarely-used, difficult-to-get-to Olympic stadium. There is the start of the Sydney to Hobart yacht race, though it should be noted that this features a bunch of people with lots of money and significant business connections getting out of the joint as fast as they possibly can.

If size does matter in the battle for status as the nation’s most prestigious city, it now looks likely Melbourne will be bigger than Sydney in the not-too-distant future. A spokesman for the developer lobby that commissioned the report remarked that Sydney had the hallmarks of “a global city in decline”.

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  • Sweet Chocolate says:

    12:40am | 06/07/10

    Lived & worked in Sydney for 7 years. Just returned to Melbourne and I will certainly confirm the Sydneysider stereotype in general. It has to do with their early history, compounded by the transient nature of its people, jobs, compact housing, hellish transport and all things that we take for… Read more »

  • Chocolate says:

    05:10pm | 28/05/10

    Is the aggressive, rude, dishonest Sydneysider stereotype true? I have only worked with 5 Sydneysiders via distance and it really seems true! Read more »

 

As Tory wrote yesterday The Punch conducted a survey on attitudes to population growth last week. One question we asked was what people thought of the idea of building a new city, and 70 per cent said yes. So given there’s probably broad support for building a new city, the next question is: where should it be? There are some suggestions in already but we’d like to hear your thoughts in the comments - some of the initial suggestions are in this map and we’ll add to it as your ideas come in.


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Have a click around the map: zoom in and check out the various icons - there’s a little summary with each location and why they might work - or you can see a full-size version of the map here. But be bold and make your own suggestions in the comments below and we’ll keep building the map out.

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  • Ben says:

    11:21pm | 23/04/10

    I think it should be at Yorkey’s Knob just outside of Cairns. Great beach and abundant resources in the form of sugar cane which can be made into the staples of molasses and rum. Read more »

  • Ben says:

    11:16pm | 23/04/10

    Good suggestion. Amazingly it appears the federal govt is planning to headquarter the vast NBN Co with its thousands of employees in Melbourne, one of our most overcrowded cities. No thought it all. Why not a regional centre like Albury, Toowoomba, Albany or Canberra? Read more »

 

It is easy to dismiss the growing backlash to population growth as a case of national NIMBYism, but the story could have more to do with the capacity of our major capital cities to deal with any extra people.

Our cities can't take much more

While there was lively debate over the idea of a new city in yesterday’s Punch the latest Essential Report shows the real issue is whether the government should tell new arrivals to go bush.

In what could be a real clue to the Federal Government in how to handle this difficult issue, most Australians actually support an increase in the population of major regional centres and smaller regional towns.

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  • Front Man says:

    02:04pm | 26/04/10

    Spot on, Robert. Politicians from all sides will try to pander to the seats where the population is already settled into marginal, urban and suburban seats. Anything they will or can do has to be sold into the marginals, and in SA’s case that means stripping out any stable Government… Read more »

  • acotrel says:

    07:29pm | 22/04/10

    We need a rethink about the education system in rural areas.  Project Management is a basic business skill needed for development of infrastructure.  In Goulburn Ovens TAFE, it is taught as one subject in an information technology course.  So tradesmen don’t get exposure to it, nor do engineers and scientists!… Read more »

 

The decision to suspend asylum seeker applications for six months represents a superficial attempt to appear both hard-line and compassionate on people smuggling, and just in time for the Federal election.

Too many people are forced to live in camps like this one. Picture: AP.

It has been less than a month since with dry-cleaned suits, a full stomach and make-up for the cameras, three senior federal ministers announced a suspension of asylum seeker claims from Sri Lanka and Afghanistan for three and six months respectively.

Ever since then though, the policy has continued its descent into a shambles with over a thousand asylum seekers in a detention centre designed for just four-hundred on Christmas Island – in tents and demountables – and the reopening of Curtin Detention Centre.

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  • david i says:

    10:52am | 22/04/10

    I’d actually consider voting liberal if you were in charge of policy Read more »

  • Andrew says:

    10:21am | 22/04/10

    Wow Liberal club?  your a student? impressive Read more »

 

Welcome to sunny Big Australia, the land of opportunity, where you’re welcome to be one of 36 million of us by the year 2050 - as long as you’re prepared to live, oh, about 4,000 kms from the Opera House.

Illustration: The Daily Telegraph's Warren Brown

The Punch set out last week to find out just how tolerant Australians are of the idea of the kind of population growth being considered by the Federal Government, and more to the point, how it should be managed.

What we found on the streets of Sydney, the country’s most under pressure city, is a political nightmare for both sides of politics. While Sydneysiders are quite open minded about welcoming more Australians, 70 per cent said we’d need a whole new city to house them, and that city should be far, far away.

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  • dmmaseoseoseo says:

    02:22pm | 13/12/11

    Is not marriage an open question, when it is alleged, from the beginning of the world, that such who are in the institution wish to get out and such as are out wish to get in. Read more »

  • acotrel says:

    07:00am | 02/01/11

    You could easily fit Australia’s current population between Goulburn and Albury.  The phobia about ‘big Australia’ is townie bullshit! Read more »

 

Today there will be thousands of Australians losing an hour of time with their kids for the privilege of sitting in traffic gridlock in our major cities.  Somewhere else there will be an employer looking at a business, which could generate much more money if only a worker could be found.

Some people think we're already full.

The concept of Australia running at two speeds couldn’t be starker than it is with population.  One group of Australians are flying at high speed to work at a mine while others may as well put the handbrake on.

Developing a sustainable population strategy means finding a way forward for both groups.  So far a lot of the debate has dealt with national population figures and presumed all we need to do is arrive at a total number.

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  • Lin says:

    07:24pm | 20/04/10

    Tony (or one of the ‘advisers’): You say: “The critical difference is all deaths are subtracted from the birth rate – as though people who come from interstate or overseas don’t die.  That’s why the quarterly report quoted has figures which seem to inflate the impact of immigration and reduce… Read more »

  • Dave says:

    03:22pm | 20/04/10

    You better be careful Andrew, not everyone likes it when you tell it like it is. Read more »

 

There are plenty of vast, empty spaces on this continent and many Australians The Punch spoke to last week would like to see them filled.

With facilities like this migrants would flock here wouldn't they?

In a survey The Punch ran testing Australians’ thoughts on population growth, the majority of respondents were open to the idea of building a new major city somewhere on the continent to relieve population pressure on other cities.

They were resolute about its ideal location: anywhere but near Sydney and Melbourne. John, 20, from Cronulla agreed with many survey respondents that Australia’s next Canberra, if built, should go somewhere on the country’s Western coast: “It should be somewhere between Perth and Broome.”

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  • wendy says:

    03:36pm | 20/04/10

    Plenty of population growth would accur when we create many channels allowing the deep blue sea to find its own level inland and then build many new ports and towns on the new inland sea areas all around the vast desert coastal regions not in use as yet and build… Read more »

  • sam says:

    01:26am | 20/04/10

    “Bad things happen when cities are built in deserts. In science fiction movies they’re usually taken over by robots.” I like the sound of Camilla, 20, from Rockdale. She sounds like my sort of girl. Read more »

 

It’s begun. The dog whistle has been discarded in favour of an all-out symphony designed to convince mainstream Australia that their darkest fears are about to become a reality.

Illustration: John Tiedemann

In the past few days we have seen the Federal Opposition announce it supports a decrease in immigration and by implication has rejected the Treasury’s projections of a population of 36 million people by 2050.

For the record, I have nothing against debating population or immigration – but the catalyst for the Coalition announcing these new policies seems to be the ongoing arrival of boatloads of asylum seekers. And it is this the attempt to link two very separate issues that leaves the Coalition looking like crude political opportunists.

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  • Charles Kelly says:

    04:59pm | 09/04/10

    Well then, all we have to do is to make it 100% illegal to try and sneak into Australia through the back door, and we’d have much more money for much more important things. It’s not the only option these people have at their disposal - it’s just the easiest,… Read more »

  • H of SA says:

    03:14pm | 09/04/10

    Charles, I’m happy with it like I’m happy with funding for the police. In a perfect wordl more money would be available for hospitals and schools because we didn’t have tio spend any money on law and order due to a non criminal public. People commit crimes and it cost… Read more »

 

As Kevin Rudd welcomed his 100th boat last week, he also started to scramble on the even larger issue of his ‘Big Australia’.

I'm on a boat

The problem for Kevin Rudd is he seems to be repeating the same mistakes on both issues.

While some argue that concerns about increased boat arrivals is due to xenophobic fears of being overrun, there is a danger in impugning this motive. Every time Labor attacks the Coalition as racist dog whistlers for raising concerns about border protection, Kevin Rudd insults millions of Australians who share our concerns about Labor’s failures.

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  • gary wright says:

    08:24am | 03/05/10

    Am I the only one here who find the contributions of Clarke and Persephone misleading and patronising. I find their attempts to close down the debate and swamp their opponents somewhat curious. As to politics: I declare mine openly. Not a party member, left wing socialist, specialist in human rights… Read more »

  • Don Clark says:

    12:46am | 08/04/10

    It’ll be interesting to see over the next couple of days how Messrs Abbott and Morrison sort out their differences. As of this afternoon, Abbott has been carefully backing away from his Shadow Minister’s position. Oh dear. And it’ll be interesting to see if any Punch authors or posters have… Read more »

 

Predictions for Australia’s population seem to be going up like bids at an auction.

Maybe if we go in sideways we'll fit?

Three years ago the Australian Bureau of Statistics predicted 28 million by 2050 and more recently Kevin Rudd has mentioned a figure of 35 million. Media reports in the last few days have put the figure at more like 40 million by 2050. Any advance on 40 million?

So where are these figures coming from? Many experts agree that the current focus on growing Australia’s population to 35 million or more by 2050 is not founded on sound science but on short term trends with a large dash of wishful thinking.

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The political class is on a collision course with the punters they are elected to represent over the issue of population growth, because they are failing to engage the public in a meaningful, mature debate.

How many more people can we take, even without their clothing?

While the major political parties have signed up to the official long-term projections of 36 million by 2050, the public overwhelmingly thinks that’s way too many. In response, the politicians bat on with the reflexive response “There is No Alternative”.

This dissonance highlights much that is wrong with our political system. It also opens up big opportunities for both the extreme Right and the environmental Left over the coming years.

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  • Davido says:

    08:27pm | 10/03/10

    I really just like living somewhere not crowded. Read more »

  • Theo says:

    07:20pm | 10/03/10

    We need mor population because we want   more Centerlink help, more criminality more poverty, less affordable housing, crowded streets, crowded transport services, worsening schools and hospitals because of the higher demand.Not enough reasons? Read more »

 

Who knew the lower north shore of Sydney was a hunting ground for anti-immigrationists. This flyer popped up in mail boxes last weekend in more than one apartment block, in more than one suburb. Unauthorised of course, and probably the work of a nutter.

A pamphlet distributed in Sydney

But it’s an election year, and these things don’t tend to happen in a vacuum. During the next six months there’ll be a lot more of this rubbish peddled by those outside the political mainstream.

Scott Morrison has requested we be able to debate immigration without labeling people racist. That’s more than fair. But keeping the debate clean is a two way street.

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  • TracyS says:

    05:34pm | 23/04/10

    Wanting to limit migration is not racist. Racism is when you discriminate against a person because of their race/ethnicity/culture. Here in Australia, although the land area is huge, we have significant limitations of water resources and infrastructure that is already struggling. Additionally, we are currently experiencing some of our worst… Read more »

 

Immigration has held a special place in the fears of many Australians but the figures tell a different story to that told by Liberal MP Kevin Andrews in his recent post on The Punch.

We're hardly over stuffed.

The data on asylum seekers and refugees in particular provides some much needed perspective on the current national debate.

When Mr Andrews informed Punch readers of the latest migration figures of 173,290 permanent migrants, he neglected to mention that in the last year of the Howard Government the number of permanent migrants to Australia reached 184,438.

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  • Andrew Smith says:

    09:37pm | 01/11/09

    Population figures are artifically high, and based on recent arrivals who may have applied for permanent, or temporary residency up to three years ago…..during boom times. Credible population projection for 2050 is 28 million from the Population Reference Group basedon ABS data. Raw population data includes long term WHV tourists… Read more »

  • Craig says:

    01:47am | 31/10/09

    For those who advocate open borders.  When do you say enough? - factoring in cultural impact upon host society (the Australia that exists now would be radically changed and along with that, institutions which keep our nation stable, our (your) way of life.), infrastructure, environment (water anyone? - carbon emissions?… Read more »

 

Why is the Rudd government hell-bent on bringing more and more people to Australia?

Half empty, half full: what's our ideal population?

In 2007-08, 173,290 people permanently migrated to Australia. In addition, there were another 544,000 temporary migrants to the country, excluding the five million visitors. That’s close to three-quarters of a million extra people residing here in a year.

According to the Australian Bureau of Statistics, Net Overseas Migration contributed 60.6 per cent of Australia’s population growth in 2008, compared to 39.4 per cent contributed by natural increase.

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  • scottie says:

    10:06am | 26/08/10

    lol you go inland and build more Read more »

  • gary wright says:

    07:18pm | 02/05/10

    If you accept that it is natural, acceptable, and laudible for asylum seekers and immigrants to seek the best possible life, then so too it should be natural, acceptable, and laudible to seek to prevent or limit immigration to promote the best possible life for those already here. Yet people… Read more »

 

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