Manners

THE other day a stranger came up to me in the street and spat in my face. While this still put it in the top 20 days of my life so far, it was nonetheless an unpleasant experience overall.

Joe, at the office.

As I pushed the strange man away from me and called him various names, it occurred to me that this is something they never taught me how to deal with in journalism school. Possibly because I never went to journalism school but I still blame the system.

The man’s grievance with me was unclear, as despite my best efforts I could not understand what he was talking about. The only intelligible sentence I could make out was: ``You made it sound like I made a sex video.’’

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  • Snake says:

    04:29pm | 16/01/12

    @Brett, spot on. I was ALWAYS taught to hit back if I was hit. I took that in my stride and ended up spending many a night waiting for mum in the principle’s office. Even as early as grade 4. I didn’t care. I agree with you totally on the… Read more »

  • John says:

    04:02pm | 16/01/12

    We like to think we are spirituallised, civilised. Actually we have only gained a lot of book-language knowledge. We are basically still animal. Read more »

 

If you want to gain an insight into the often distressingly abusive world of online political discussion, type the name Sophie Mirabella into Twitter or Google, and sit back and marvel at the stuff that has been written in the past 48 hours.

Mirabella: No level of abuse is off limits. Photo; Ray Strange

Mirabella is the Liberal member for the federal seat of Indi. The archly conservative Mirabella is one of those commendable politicians who leads with her chin. She has been a regular contributor to the The Punch, since its launch just over two years ago, and has never once complained about any of the often violently critical reader comments we publish under her pieces. She will go on programs such as Q and A knowing that the left-leaning Twitterati will be salivating in their share houses as they log in and saddle up to smash her to pieces, before she even opens her mouth.

Mirabella has been in the press this past two days over the revelation of a brewing court battle involving the death of a man forty years her senior with whom she had a relationship.

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  • Stew says:

    11:01am | 27/09/11

    Has the cat got your tongue Lily or did the logic of my previous comment reveal the double standard implicit in your argument? Read more »

  • Kipling says:

    08:36am | 27/09/11

    Being two days too late, I expect this comment will be of even less consequence than a prompt response would have been, however, here goes. David, I think that your choice to name Ms Mirabella you immediately lost the point of the article. Unless of course the article was intended… Read more »

 

Giving to help others is a beautiful thing. But is anyone finding the increased aggression of “chuggers” is destroying a lot of that goodwill?

Hey lady, I'll take coins, gum leaves, whatever ya got. Pic: Stuart Ramson.

There are a lot of Australians doing it tough through no fault of their own and it’s our duty to help as a payback for the privilege of being part of the community.

Welfare groups are also suffering from the big squeeze. Donations are drying up because of the tough economic times and the demand for their services is increasing for the same reason.

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  • Red-wearing Woman says:

    05:34pm | 23/08/11

    I love how people immediately assume any comment supporting women’s welfare is ‘feminist.’ FTR I am by no means a feminist, I am however a health practitioner and a university lecturer in Population Health, so I see this problem in both theory and in practice on a daily basis, and… Read more »

  • Sean Brokenshire says:

    04:54pm | 23/08/11

    Hi Nathan, We’re very sorry to have caused you distress with our letter. Your support is absolutely appreciated - especially for donating when your own circumstances aren’t great. That’s really inspirational, and we just want to let you know that no offense was intended by asking for more support. It’s… Read more »

 

BBQs are an excuse to feast on too much flesh. But sometimes, the carnivorous offerings at said gatherings are less than they might be.

Pleased to meet you, meat to please you.

There really is nothing worse than turning up at a barbie to find cardboard sausages from Woolies, boring old chops and no condiment other than tomato sauce.

This is not to subscribe to the growing cult of food wankerism. It’s just to say that a BBQ should be an excuse to blacken some quality meat cuts, rather than an event where the worst meat imaginable is cooked outdoors. There’s more to it than that.

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  • xander says:

    11:34am | 29/08/11

    I bet you wear leather boots, belts and handbags. Most vegetarians do. happy to lkill for fashion but not food huh? mmm… So maybe keep your own judgemental hypocrisy in check yeah? Or maybe campaign against those cruel misaligned tigers killing innocent deer? omnivores are known as ‘natural’ and our… Read more »

  • xander says:

    04:35pm | 26/08/11

    Rude NOT to!!! Beast slabs are bloody pricey. And I dont think people understand the term medium rare anymore to boot… Read more »

 

A friend recently told me of his horror when a colleague asked a co-worker why she only had one child.

As this picture shows, pensioners don't hold the rights to politeness. Photo: AFP.

It was a dangerous question to ask a mere acquaintance in front of the rest of the office. What if the answer had been a heart-breaking miscarriage? Marital disharmony? A crippling amount of debt? Infertility?

No doubt the 21-year-old woman’s thoughtless question left her older workmates clucking their tongues at Gen Y’s arrogance and lack of manners.

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George Orwell’s 1949 novel, Nineteen Eighty Four, foretold of a futuristic world where technology was used by an oppressive state to enforce order. The book is a giant of social science fiction providing an invaluable cautionary tale against the creeping control tendencies of the state.

These guys were actually foretelling the Australian political dialogue, circa 2011

The term “big brother” is among the many ideas from the book that have seeped into the public mind.

But in the real year 1984, another fictional work of let’s say, marginally less literary note, achieved its own worthy feat of prediction, albeit metaphorically: Ghostbusters.

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  • markjuliansmith says:

    11:46pm | 30/03/11

    Having read your entire article. I think you have to adapt to this new medium. The niceties of usual protocol are as you indicate have been thrown out - so what. Read between the lines or do not bother. I concur to the extent people should own up to who… Read more »

  • Really? says:

    01:44pm | 30/03/11

    OK forgive me for coming late to the conversation, but why is JG’s change of policy after the election a “lie” when every other change of policy which takes place after an election simply a “policy change” or “broken promise” (whether “core” or “non-core” as the case used to be)?… Read more »

 

People are sometimes very strange.  Yes, I know this sounds a bit rich coming from someone who peddles her own strangeness in her writings week after week, but I’m sure you’d agree that other people - ie not you or me - can be very odd at times.

Total dog act. Photo: AFP

So what’s brought me to this not-so-earth-shattering conclusion?  I preface my answer by saying it’s hardly the first time this has happened to me, but it always gets up my nose when it does.

You see, I was out walking my dogs very early the other morning.  It was actually almost still dark, with an eerie fog settling in the bush around my local walking track. The dogs and I were ambling along the track with the place to ourselves, when along came a young guy, jogging. 

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  • andre says:

    01:02pm | 10/10/10

    I’m with you. People asked you whether you said anything, but this happens to me all the time too. I will look at the person coming my way, ready to acknowledge with a smile, “nice day”, “g’day” etc, but if they don’t even look at you, you can’t even instigate… Read more »

  • Terrance says:

    09:51am | 07/10/10

    It’s not nice to be ignored . And I agree with Silky - you can be at a workplace where everybody gets along yet 1 or 2 of them WILL not greet you in the morning? Just weird . Hey I would say hi to anyone and everyone and sometimes… Read more »

 

Oscar Wilde, the famous 19th century Irish poet once said: “The expletive is the refuge of the semi-literate”.  In other words; swearing is for dumb heads.

Swearing? You've got to be effing kidding.

Well, all I can say is, if the ‘refuge’ was an actual place, it would be packed to the rafters—considering the number of foul-mouthed ‘dumb heads’ around these days.  And yes, okay, I might be among their number too at times, I admit.  (Before anyone starts calling me a hypocrite because they’ve heard me say naughty words).  Yes, we 21st century folk certainly say lots of words that would’ve made our Victorian ancestors’ hair curl.

As a kid, while I soon became aware of most swear words (mainly thanks to the neighbourhood kids who were clearly more world-wise than me) I would never dare use them.  And, even though my Dad, an ex-army pugilist and a Scotsman to boot (apparently a very bad combo for swear-ability) was always pretty careful not to swear around us kids or in public, I still, in fact, heard my first F Bomb from his own lips.

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  • Ryan says:

    06:53pm | 20/07/10

    @Reg: Are you serious? Did you read your last post at all? You are honestly trying to convince me that swearing is “sophistication”? The rest of your post referring to all teenagers and the reference to “card-carrying Tourette’s practitioners” is just blatantly offensive to Tourette’s sufferers and as such I… Read more »

  • Chris L says:

    05:18pm | 18/07/10

    I seldom meet blokes who are offended by the C-word. Funny how there’s so many different expletives for penis but under no circumstances may the vagina be so disrespected! Read more »

 

Some people dismiss political correctness too easily.

Political correctness, when we are protesting a person being demeaned publicly, is simply about insisting that people pay due respect to others. At one level, it is about insisting on civility. At a deeper level, it is about upholding fundamental values about what it means to be human and to have dignity.

I know that many Australians, and especially in my experience of sports clubs, many Australian men, think that racist comments aren’t racist – they’re just funny.

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  • DJ says:

    06:01pm | 21/06/10

    Young ones? in my experience the older pensioners are the ones who are incredibly racist, the young ones have grown up with PC whereas the oldies didn’t and have fallen into habit Read more »

  • James1 says:

    03:13pm | 21/06/10

    One can not help but wonder why Mr Diver - or indeed anyone - would go expend any effort at all to excuse such a racist insult.  I had thought the remark itself was beyond defending.  Are we to assume he has no problem with using that particular epithet? Read more »

 

It’s important to stand up for the oppressed. Many think of me as a girlish Che Guevara. An example? On the weekend I was waiting for my order in a coffee shop when the barista started berating the teenaged girl serving for mixing up an order.

Do you offer a seat?

The customers, he told her, would not come back. I felt the hot flush of injustice rise to my cheeks. “You know what else will make us not come back?” I retorted, the defiant strains of “Do You Hear the People Sing?” pounding through my righteous mind. “You, being so rude.” He was properly shamed as I swiped my coffee and stalked triumphantly from the store.

Only thing is, ten minutes later I walked past the same coffee shop and the girl was leaning over the counter chatting idly with her yappy friends and being all feckless and self-absorbed and Gen Y as the orders piled up for the harried barista. I realised I’d backed the wrong horse. The point is, most strangers - strangely - don’t want our help.

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  • Just Sayin' says:

    03:05pm | 02/07/10

    I was already standing up. But yeh, my bad.  It makes perfect sense for you to assume that I was just sitting there being a hypocritical. My observations are not consistent with yours.  I have never seen a sitting healthy hereo tell another person to stand up. I think you’re… Read more »

  • N says:

    05:56pm | 18/06/10

    Girlish Che huh? Unless you’ve murdered people and intend to make the streets flow with the blood of you enemies, they’re all way off the mark. Read more »

 

THE past week has been filled with some serious news from serious places. Luckily none of this need concern us here, as Suburban Tales presents you with men bearing flowers, cars bearing children’s play equipment, and tow trucks bearing your automobile.

:Hey did somebody say sleazy uncle? Give it up for Rodney, he's alright

Sleazy or Cheesy: Where is the line between sleaze and old-fashioned courtesy?

Everybody has a pervy uncle. They’re part of the wider family ecology, along with the smarter, more popular alpha-cousin and the preternaturally athletically gifted niece who’s destined to represent her state in a sport no one cares about. We all know the tricks in the pervy uncle’s sleazy arsenal:

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  • stephen says:

    11:24pm | 08/06/10

    Never liked Rodney D. Gene W. was much funnier. Read more »

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    03:47pm | 08/06/10

    Never met Barnaby then have you… Read more »

 

Our website The Punch is banning reader comments which contain words typed in all capitals. Why? Because they’re REALLY ANNOYING.

You don't need CAPS LOCK to make your point.

They not only LOOK HORRIBLE but they’re often a substitute for REASONED ARGUMENT. This is because they are generally employed by people who, rather than fleshing out their point, resort to SHOUTING AT EACH OTHER.

The rise of the internet and the explosion in online discussion on social media and on news and opinion sites has, by and large, been a terrific thing for democracy. For far too long journalists were allowed to fancy their output as being as sacred and unchallengeable as the tablet brought down from upon high.

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I recently let the world know that I am expecting twins.

My, aern't you looking big. Cartoon: Eric Lobecke.

I had read the chapter on pregnancy and other people in my new bible, ‘What to expect when expecting,’ by Sharon Mazel and Heidi Murkoff so had braced myself for some inappropriate tummy touching and some well-meaning pregnancy advice.

I thought I was prepared. How wrong can you be?

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  • Annabella says:

    04:25pm | 30/04/10

    Having been pregnant with twins some 20 years ago, I still remember how uncomfortable it was. But I did get a couple of laughs the first hundred time people asked was I going to call them Pete and Repeat or Kate and Duplicate!! Being preg with multipals isn’t fun, but… Read more »

  • Louise says:

    09:11am | 25/01/10

    You dopey buggers, the advertisments on TV going on about ‘no safe level of alcohol’ was put up by the Salvo’s who are reknown teetotallers.  Bit stupid to think their message is the absolute truth! Moreover alcohol causes a particular syndrome, of which to date no baby who got it… Read more »

 

In “Network”, Sidney Lumet’s groundbreaking 1976 media satire, disgruntled TV anchor Howard Beale successfully urged his viewers to lean out of their windows and scream, “I’m mad as hell, and I’m not going to take it anymore.

In the film, it caused a paradigm shift and Beale’s instant transition to overnight celebrity, a modern day shaman clown, a television messiah.
Today, however, everyone is leaning out their windows, screeching to the heavens and the streets below.


But the verbal diarrhoea spewing forth from their many belching mouths isn’t anywhere near as poignant as Beale’s infamous phrase.
It’s happening right here. It’s happening right now. It’s happening at the bottom of this very page.


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  • Mateen says:

    10:24am | 17/10/11

    Good point. I hadn’t thguoht about it quite that way. Read more »

  • Elle says:

    12:19pm | 06/12/10

    I have to agree with Will here - I will sometimes read a badly written article on a topic I care little about, purely because I know there will be 134 ranting and raving comments to keep me entertained. Also Will, I had always wondered if this much circular irony… Read more »

 

So Hugh Jackman and Daniel Craig are on stage performing A Steady Rain and an audience member’s mobile rings. You can read the story here.

After seeing The Boy From Oz I think Jackman is far more suited to the live environment of the theatre than the silver screen, and this shows his gift for handling the things that happen in live performances.

But the real question is: how does someone still forget to turn off their mobile in a theatre?

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  • H says:

    12:00pm | 30/09/09

    I too have been in a movie where a young “lady” answered her phone which was ringing loudly and proceeded to loudly tell her friend all about the movie and the latest gossip. She followed up on her performance by treating the packed theatre to a show of her and… Read more »

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    04:14pm | 29/09/09

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Is the GFC turning out to be as good for you as it is for me?

Save for any poor souls who invested with a bloke named Bernie or used to turn up for work at Macquarie every day, the GFC is a gift horse we are looking plum in the mouth.

For one thing, the GFC, with one elegant swoop, does away with the pretense of sociability or politeness or even basic hygiene.

The GFC has undone years, decades, of social mores and replaced it with a brave new world, one where we now have the perfect cover to embrace that indolent, indulgent, trackpants-clad life we have always yearned for.

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  • Martin Harvard says:

    11:01am | 21/07/09

    Thank God, finally an article taht reflects my views. I’ve quietly shed most of my friends over the last 10 years because i didn’t wantto go restaurants and shows but would rather stay at home and play Xbox with my kids. Read more »

  • udi says:

    09:07pm | 10/07/09

    whats a gfc when its at home? how about writing about the global financial crisis instead. Read more »

 

Sara Polk was desperately concerned that her husband lacked presence. This may not have mattered for most people but it represented a fatal flaw if your husband happened to be the President of the United States.

Measuring 5 feet 8 inches and ranking in the 10 shortest presidents of all time evidently Sara was concerned that her husband James – the 11th American President – lacked stature and accordingly was not receiving the respect that was his due.

How could the masses bow down before her man when they had no idea which man he was?

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  • Grambo says:

    03:49pm | 01/07/09

    So just how tall / short is Kevin Rudd?  As for Howard the lack of a neck can be deceiving. Read more »

  • realto says:

    03:11pm | 01/07/09

    Lucy, I’ve met John Howard. No way is he 5’10”. 5’7’’ is my guess and Hawke maybe 5’5” though I haven’t met him. I’ve met Whitlam and Frazer too and they are both very tall men, or were in their heydays. Read more »

 

I wasn’t upset when Princess Diana died. I didn’t know her, never met her, thought she seemed like a bit of a dill.

Princess Diana is dead: and that's not funny either.

Sad for her family but that’s life isn’t it. One day it’s all going to end. Hopefully not naked in a cupboard in Bangkok like David Carradine but you just don’t know.

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  • Maria F NSW says:

    07:03pm | 08/06/09

    Point taken and noted.  Perhaps we don’t know what the chaser boys have been through in their illustrious lives.  Having said that, does anyone honestly believe that they would have gone through with this pathetic excuse for a joke if one of their kids was going through treatment for a… Read more »

  • nick says:

    10:11am | 07/06/09

    THe Chaser definitely need to have a skit on this true life (unfortunately) episode. Hopefully they can skewer the fact that Uncle Kev is tuned into whatever ACA will or has said. Really no better than John Howard. I would really like to know from Greg exactly what harm this… Read more »

 

Hi grandma! Ben Cousins in the sheds

At last, a breath of fresh air from a footballer - and Ben Cousins, of all people.

He flashed his middle finger to a dressing-room camera before the Richmond-Fremantle game in Perth at the weekend (video below). The Tigers won by three points. Cousins went on to issue a pro-forma apology at the urging of his club, saying he didn’t “mean to offend anyone and I apologise if my actions have caused offence”.

The tone in there is like a po-faced seven-year-old apologising under pain of not getting any more lollies at a party. Today, in this piece, we meet the man:

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  • Nathan says:

    10:58am | 04/06/09

    i think it is a complete joke the way people are carrying on about this. give a man a break. if he did it out on the feild then it would be different. leave the poor guy guy alone Read more »

  • John says:

    04:24pm | 03/06/09

    Who is upset.  Patrick from the Australian obviously is.  He seems to think he is the concious of the football world.  I dont agree with you Patrick and it dissapoints me that you are in a position to post your views to the public. Ben greatly contributed to turning that… Read more »

 

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