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In a kooky swapsie deal, Australia and Malaysia entered into a “cooperative transfer agreement” on asylum seekers, only to have the deal trounced by the High Court.

The deal was as slippery as an egg noodle. Pic: Supplied

Under the Malaysia Solution the next 800 asylum seekers to arrive in Australia would be shipped off to Malaysia to join the ‘queue’ there. In return Australia would take an extra 4000 refugees from Malaysia.

Refugee advocates were chuffed that we’d take extra refugees but dismayed at the idea of sending asylum seekers to Malaysia, where they were reportedly badly treated. Critics said it was both inhumane and ineffective, and many were pre-occupied by the maths of 800 for 4000.

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  • Coop says:

    09:58pm | 07/12/11

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  • NESLIHAN KUROSAWA says:

    07:15pm | 07/12/11

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I was sitting with some friends and students in the outer western suburbs of Sydney the other day. We were chatting about the High Court’s decision on the Malaysia Solution and offshore processing of refugees.

Illustration: Bill Leak

The general feeling was that it was about time someone demanded that Australia meet its international obligations and stop dumping them onto other countries. While there was not much sympathy for Gillard, nor was there any support for Tony Abbott’s posturing.

Someone actually quoted their Greek grandmother, who compares Greeks and Italians - saying, “they are the same, but different”. My question: “Would you vote for Tony Abbott if an election was held tomorrow?” was met with a resounding ‘no’. So is Gillard finished?

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    02:51pm | 04/10/12

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Winston Churchill once noted that democracy was the worst form of government, except for all the rest.

Illustration:Nicholson

It may also be true of Chris Bowen’s Malaysian solution -assuming it can be revived somehow. It is the worst possible answer to the asylum seeker problem, except for any others anyone can think of.

I know. I know. Calling a people-swap arrangement “good’’ policy is a stretch. Very few voters would agree right now and for a government that goes backwards even when spruiking a tax cut, the task of selling something so inelegant and counter-intuitive is clearly a bridge too far.

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  • michael gardiner says:

    03:12pm | 14/09/11

    you last sentence says it all Mark ” does he (Tony Abbott ) really want to stop the the boats”. at this stage he is clearly playing politics because he can’t claim anymore that his Narua solution will work. Most everyone involved in this issue state they want to stop… Read more »

  • emel says:

    12:38pm | 12/09/11

    @thatmosis. The standing joke here on The Punch is you and your LNP mates. When credible journalists start accepting advice from bigots like you, the whole system is in trouble. ‘Illegal immigrants’ are not out to get you. They are mostly desperate people with no options. Empathy and humour are… Read more »

 

Should we ban the live export of asylum seekers?

Not everyone on this boat has the same rights. Photo: Stephen Cooper.

In a compelling majority, the High Court seemed to think so, issuing a permanent injunction against the Commonwealth Government, barring them from pursuing the current proposal to trade asylum seekers with Malaysia.

Despite numerous changes to the Migration Act over the decade to expand administrative power, the Act could not be used to justify the transaction of asylum seekers as if they were export goods.

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  • Sarah says:

    02:37pm | 06/09/11

    @Govt@FauCitizen - your father sounds like a good hard working Aussie - my hat goes off to him. Ignore the vitriole from Ms Shepherd. Your second half of your comment about the stark difference that you see - I could not agree with you more. We have demanding, violent, tantrum… Read more »

  • Brian says:

    04:37pm | 05/09/11

    Actually, we’re constitutionally required to be a secular country… And there’s plenty of leeway in the Bible to do practically anything you want if you go and find an appropriate passage (particularly in the Old Testament, which is still canon). Point 2 is fair enough. Read more »

 

The Gillard Government’s legal miscalculation of its Malaysian enterprise will amplify Opposition Leader Tony Abbott’s consistent theme that it is an administration which simply can’t get anything right.

Asylum seekers on the third boat to arrive after the Government announced the Malaysia Solution. Photo: Stephen Cooper

It isn’t the first instance of clumsy handling of the asylum seeker debate and the political imperatives which are driving national attention on what is, essentially, a minor matter.

Against solid advice - including that of Kevin Rudd - the Government tried to get a detention centre deal with East Timor but had to limp away embarrassed from negotiations which were always destined to fail.

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  • Anichol says:

    06:53pm | 06/09/11

    I might be wrong but didn’t Rudd take his asylum policy to the 2007 election? To say Howards policy worked better is a little short sighted for me, I fail to see what difference it made as over ? of those detained on Nauru still got asylum in Australia. So… Read more »

  • daniel says:

    04:54pm | 02/09/11

    Josh, refugees and asylum seekers burn their documentation and identification because they are seeking refuge from persecution and asylum. They are not going on a holiday or temporarily staying for the purposes of work. That is an important distinction that should be emphasised as carrying documentation and identification across borders… Read more »

 

The government’s failure to “stop the boats” is an albatross around its neck and the issue is driving the political agenda. Their asylum seeker problem is two-fold. Scores are dying trying to reach Australia by boat and the government is losing support by its failure to stop those who don’t. However, the solution to both problems is simple - a blanket ban on accepting boat people as refugees.

Say no to the boats. Photo: News.com.au

Australia and Malaysia have tentatively agreed to exchange 800 boat people for 4000 confirmed refugees. The underlying assumption is that asylum seekers will be deterred from making to voyage to Australia by the prospect of ending up in Malaysia. Although the Greens have spit the dummy over Malaysia’s human rights record, the inhospitality of partner countries is the very reason these agreements may deter some boat people from coming.

Yet the Malaysian agreement doesn’t go far enough to fully deter asylum seekers and entering Australia will be a lottery with enticing odds. You don’t need to have an abacus to calculate that if arrival trends continue - 6535 people having arrived in Australia by boat last year - the vast majority will have an opportunity to stay in Australia. 

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  • Matt says:

    09:02pm | 28/06/11

    Oh, ok Janey, so if they can’t claim Centrelink or draw attention to themselves, then gee….. What are they gonna do?  I guess they have to find jobs - isn’t that the problem with ‘real Aussies’ and refugees? They’re stealing all our jobs? Taking all our money?  I was merely… Read more »

  • mike j says:

    05:32pm | 28/06/11

    Hi Gregg. On cursory inspection, I don’t understand a lot of what you’ve said, but I’m not sure you understand what I’ve said, either. My proposal is to centralise refugee placements with the UN. Under this proposal, people smuggling of those claiming asylum would cease to exist, as refugee status… Read more »

 

It’s interesting, isn’t it, that the general public finds itself dismayed and outraged about our live export industry, which transports our happy, healthy cows to deepest darkest Asia to meet a cruel and violent death, at the same time as our government is preparing to transport our refugees to the very same region and it’s only the Greens and the usual bleeding-heart refo activists that are arcing up.

Any excuse to run a shot of beef laksa… and yes, we know it's the third Malaysian dish we've run on the website this week.

This week, we heard Senator Sarah Hanson-Young hopes to thwart the Government’s plan to send refugees to Malaysia – where refugee treatment includes the occasional caning – by introducing an amendment to the Migration Act that will oblige Julia Gillard to seek the Parliament’s permission before sending refugees to a third country.

The opposition will support Hanson-Young out of sheer contrarianism rather than concern for human rights. But she’ll take her support where she can get it, since the tens of thousands who signed online petitions and wrote to their local members begging them to save our cows don’t seem to have much compassion left over for the human cargo.

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  • Sharon says:

    06:25pm | 26/06/11

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Yesterday, it was revealed in The Australian that since the government announced its Malaysian solution six boats have arrived in Australia carrying 274 asylum seekers. With the Malaysian’s reluctance to backdate the agreement, each and everyone one of those 274 asylum seekers are likely to be processed in Australia.

See more of Jon Kudelka's work at http://www.kudelka.com.au/

How extraordinary, considering that if Gillard ever gets this shonky deal with Malaysia signed, only 800 asylum seekers who come to Australia illegally are going to be deported to Malaysia! The quid pro quo in the bargain is that Australia will resettle 4000 of Malaysia’s refugees over four years and will pay the Malaysian government an as-yet-undisclosed amount of money.

Last year 6879 asylum seekers tried to come to Australia illegally by boat. That’s almost 19 people every day. If that rate were to continue and the next 800 illegal arrivals were deported to Malaysia then in 43 days’ time Australia will have used up the Prime Minister’s quota and all other illegal arrivals after that would still have to be processed in Australia.

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The Federal Government now has a clear policy direction on asylum seekers: Confuse them so much they go elsewhere.

Illustration: Warren Brown

What the Government needs is a decisive way to stop desperate people getting into boats bound for Australia while maintaining our UN and human rights obligations to accept asylum seekers.

What they’ve got is a fear-induced policy spasm that tries to keep both sides (the turn-back-the-boaters and the open-armers) happy, but succeeds in pleasing neither.

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  • Ryan says:

    02:57pm | 12/05/11

    @ Steve It’s the families of those whose lives were lost you should be apologising to for trying to use their deaths to make political attacks. Read more »

  • Steve says:

    12:06pm | 12/05/11

    WTF Ryanne. You have worn me down. You win. Read more »

 

Clear the waffle and you find the Government and the Opposition now have a bipartisan position on dealing with asylum seekers who arrive by boat.

The implicit message in both the government and the opposition's policies

It’s quite simple: Put them in the closest to squalor we dare endorse, and hope that the nastiness of the accommodation deters other refugee hopefuls.

And it is an unmistakable message: Our Hell hole could be worse than the Hell hole you are now living in. Or at least, it might not be worth the risk and expense of setting out by boat to find out.

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  • Thomas says:

    05:47pm | 20/08/12

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  • Alice Coleman says:

    06:53am | 21/07/11

    I think Deeman makes a good point. Most of our ancestors had to move to wherever we live at some point. Refugees is a sad and difficult topic, no matter what your stance is or how you look at it. I hope that they can figure out reasonable solutions to… Read more »

 

Last week saw an unusual event in Australian politics: backbench members of Parliament from both sides took a foreign affairs initiative, independent of their party leaderships. Sixty Members and Senators – Labor, Liberal, Green and independent – signed a letter which was presented to the Malaysian High Commissioner protesting against the current trial of Opposition Leader Anwar Ibrahim on charges of “sodomy.”

The author presenting the petition to Malaysian High Commissoner Salman Bin L Ahmad last Thursday.

The letter was signed by, among others, Laurie Ferguson, Malcolm Turnbull, Greg Hunt, Bob Brown, Nick Xenophon, Duncan Kerr, Deputy Speaker Anna Burke, Jennie George, Gary Gray and Mark Dreyfus QC.

It followed a speech which I gave in the House of Representatives on 3 February, in which I drew the House’s attention to the 2nd Sodomy trial in Kuala Lumpur of Anwar Ibrahim.

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  • laincoubert says:

    11:01am | 25/02/10

    In my lifetime can these back benchers speak up for the Palestinians Anwar is a politician.Are we suppose to feel for him.Really.I know Anwar is innocent, just look at his size,how can a man that size rape a much larger man?My argument is the causes our politicians take up.Defending another… Read more »

  • M.K.Shah says:

    12:03am | 23/02/10

    First of all please do not in terfear with another countries affairs.Human right\s are there and in defvending human rights, other vpeople’s rights’ should not be overrule. Annuar is Human and emotions are emotions. Let the court rule. TRUTH WILL PREVAIL.. He is paid by by his own coins.He was… Read more »

 

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