Gay Marriage

On February 1 the Federal Government will lift its ban on Australian same-sex partners receiving the documents they need to marry in other countries where same-sex marriage is allowed.

David Bartlett's sister Angela Borella with her partner in Portugal

To her great credit, Attorney-General, Nicola Roxon, has asked the Department of Foreign Affairs to start issuing certificates of no-impediment to marriage (CNIs) to same-sex couples marrying overseas on the same basis as they are now issued to heterosexual couples.

A CNI is required by many foreign governments as proof the foreigner who wants to marry in their country is of marriageable age and isn’t already married where they come from. 

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  • marley says:

    01:51pm | 30/01/12

    According to the ever (somewhat) reliable Wiki, the following countries have legalized same-sex marriage:  Argentina, Belgium, Canada, Iceland, the Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, Spain, South Africa, and Sweden.  Also, it’s legal in parts of the US, Brazil and Mexico.  And Israel, Brazil and Mexico all recognize same sex marriages performed elsewhere.… Read more »

  • chopper knows says:

    12:51pm | 30/01/12

    Most of the middle aged white me with Filipino wives are not doing it to “gift” a free ticket to theie wifes. They just can’t find any “suitable” partners in AUstralia thus the need to “import” one from a less fortanate one. Read more »

 

Margaret Court has been, well, courting controversy these past weeks. The former world no.1 tennis star, turned pastor, has raised the ire of many with a volley of comments labelling homosexuality a sin. Earlier this week the tennis great wrote in The Herald Sun: “Australia is in a steep moral decline”, “especially when it comes to the issue of sexuality”.

Doncha think it's a bit odd to have a statue of yourself while you're still alive? Picture: David Crosling

Outraged gay rights supporters have returned serve. They’re pushing for the Margaret Court Arena at Melbourne Park to stripped of its name and they’ve been encouraging Australian Open attendees to drape themselves in rainbow in defiance.

The kerfuffle is sure making a racket, but there’s something else at fault here. Since when were places named after people while they were alive anyway? Isn’t the whole point of naming a place after someone to commemorate the life and achievements of a person, you know, after they’ve died?

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  • stephen says:

    03:54pm | 29/01/12

    That last sentence is a very good point Mr. Chop, and I notice that there is no response, here, to it ... maybe because there isn’t one, and we are all whining about the wrong thing. Read more »

  • Paul says:

    03:05pm | 29/01/12

    I’ve enjoyed the discussion on free speech. Clearly there is a boundary between stating an opinion that is controversial and one that incites violence and fosters terrorism. So where is that line? The elephant in the room in the modern rights/equality debate is that there is no real basis for… Read more »

 

“Opinions are like orgasms: mine matters most, and I don’t care if you have one.”

Despite her outspoken opposition to gay marriage, Margaret Court is NOT anti-gay, and no fair-minded Australian could accuse her of bigotry

I’m not sure where I first read this, but it seems to typify public debate in Australia, where opposing parties love to discredit an argument by giving it a label: racist, sexist, chauvinist, insensitive, homophobe, ignorant…

In philosophy classes, this type of argument was called an ad hominem, and it’s only reward was an F, but in public debate it’s a timesaver, a cheap political point. Remember when Bill Heffernan questioned Gillard’s leadership because she was “deliberately barren”? Same deal.

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  • Bob says:

    06:29am | 28/01/12

    Margaret Court is most CERTAINLY intolerant of homosexuals.  How can you be tolerant of something you think is abhorrent and which you repeatedly say is unnatural and has led to moral decline.  I think it is incredibly overly simplistic to say Margaret Court “loves homosexual people” - if she does,… Read more »

  • John says:

    06:17pm | 24/01/12

    Excellent article Matt. Read more »

 

On Wednesday, Iowa voters were the first in the union to ink their index finger, so to speak, handing Mitt Romney a win with one of the barest margins in recent history - just eight votes - but for all intents giving Rick Santorum the decisive moral victory.

A healthy heterosexual embrace. Pic: AP

Ron Paul, Newt Gingrich and Rick Perry rounded out the top five. A mediocre cache of candidates in 2012 for sure, but in a lot of ways that makes it all the more frightening, mainly (but not exclusively) for gays in America.

Some 60,000 people caucused for Romney and Santorum; the difference between the two was less than half a Duggar family. That’s the family famous for 19 Kids and Counting, the reality series about evangelical Christians Jim Bob (yes, really) and Michelle Duggar and their brood of nineteen children (yes, really really). Twelve Duggar children travelled to Iowa to support Rick Santorum, trumpeting his socially conservative religious views.

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  • Ohcomeon says:

    04:10pm | 12/01/12

    John, Please address this point: 1% of the worlds population hold @ of the worlds wealth. None of that 1% are Marxists. So where are these rich and powerful Marxist elites you seem so constantly in fear of? Read more »

  • Ohcomeon says:

    01:53pm | 12/01/12

    Erick, affirmative action was brought in, because without it many members of society were being denied a voice and any ability to rise. Rich white men chose other rich white men for jobs and positions of power. Without being forced to they would never have allowed women to take up… Read more »

 

Marriage equality is too serious an issue to play political games with and too important an issue to be set up to fail. This is why supporters of the reform want calm heads to prevail and for the bill to be introduced at the right time.

Rushing to the altar just turned these two into giant muppets… Oh, hang on… Picture: AP

It’s important the Labor Party approaches this reform strategically and doesn’t jump the gun. Too many people within Labor have worked too hard to change the ALP’s policy platform for it all to be squandered on a premature vote.

Because the ALP has allowed a conscience vote for its MPs, reform has very little chance unless the Coalition allows a conscience vote too. Coalition leader Tony Abbott has so far ruled out a conscience vote, but there is growing support within the Coalition for a different, fairer approach.

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  • acotrel says:

    06:51am | 07/01/12

    What is the point of having a conscience vote on gay marriage within the LNP ?  You actually need a conscience for that ! Read more »

  • Murf says:

    01:50pm | 06/01/12

    Monty Python had it right with Rule #1. Read more »

 

Prime Minister Gillard’s reshuffle tops off her year of living dangerously.

Once upon a time these two knew what love meant…

She went out on a limb with carbon pricing, pokie reform, plain tobacco packaging and increased superannuation in spite of spirited opposition and has won the battle, if not hearts and minds, on most of them.

Poker machine reform is outstanding and continues to bite the ALP hard, especially in the eastern states and in communities dependent on local pubs and clubs. Ms Gillard’s decision to sacrifice the Speaker role is her way of gearing up for the pokies fight by mitigating the influence of Andrew Wilkie.

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  • davo says:

    06:32pm | 26/12/11

    But the Marx Brothers were humorous!! This lot make me cry!! Labor and the Liblabs Both!!!!! Read more »

  • Andrew Richards says:

    04:04am | 17/12/11

    @Danny B “Alright.  Provide me with one valid, non-religious argument why gay marriage should be disallowed? “ Social structure and positive social engineering to be exact- the very things our society fails at now. It used to be and growing up in the 80s, I think my generation was on… Read more »

 

Every so often you get to witness the laws in the culture you live in take a creaky step, tortoise-like, towards catching up with the hare that is our fast-evolving collective value system; in this case, the move towards recognising gay marriage.

Maybe Kim's marriage would have lasted longer than 72 days if she'd married a chick.

For the gay community, and for the forward-thinking among the rest of us, it’s great to think we will probably no longer discriminate in granting of the legal rights and status of marriage. Like millions of other Aussies, I’m all for equality.

But the first question that springs to mind in 2011 is what, exactly, have gays won the right to? What on earth does “marriage” mean right now? And is it possible that even before homosexuals have the right to partake of it, us matrimonially-elastic and readily-divorcing straights have left the marital meringue out in the rain?

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  • Jay says:

    02:38pm | 13/12/11

    Everyone was confident that the last referendum would result in a Republic. The result was clearly different to what the ‘experts’ believed. Instead of trying to circumvent democracy, hold a referendum and let’s see how the people vote. Unfortunately this will never happen because the Gay marriage lobby knows that… Read more »

  • Jacqueline says:

    08:10pm | 06/12/11

    I think marriage is a conservative, backward institution with a repressive, dodgy background to say the least. I have no idea why anyone would want to buy into it, let alone lesbians and gays. But if they do want to go down that tired path, let them. And good luck. Read more »

 

It says a lot about changing community standards that a state such as Queensland, which under Sir Joh Bjelke-Petersen was every civil libertarian’s nightmare, has this week voted to recognise same-sex unions.

On her conscience…Jon Kudelka in The Australian and also here www.kudelka.com.au

Or does it?

It could show that the Queensland Parliament has responded to majority community sentiment in support of gay marriage. Or it could just show that the Queensland Parliament is now home to a majority of MPs who support gay marriage.

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  • Cherry says:

    01:56pm | 08/12/11

    Craig, you have the same right as every adult in Australia. You can be married to one member of the opposite sex at a time. You are not allowed to marry a member of the same sex - but neither is anyone else. What you are talking about is changing… Read more »

  • Christ says:

    09:19pm | 07/12/11

    OMG its 2011 for god sakes,get over it people - gay people getting married wont change a thing. you can still hate sin, ‘let you who have no sin cast the first stone’ yep i bet there isnt many of you left now is there!!! religious bullying is just that… Read more »

 

John Howard said it helped MPs “reflect upon their experiences, values”. Kim Beazley said it was “a wonderful thing” to do. The late John Button said, “Let the winds of principle blow through the House.”

Ain't equality beautiful

They were talking about exercising a parliamentary conscience vote and were so enthusiastic for it you would imagine conscience votes happen all the time.

But they don’t, for reasons shared by leaders of all major parties. In fact they are rare. By my calculation there were 30 conscience votes in Federal Parliament between 1955 and now. (The always-splendid Parliamentary Library has this research paper.) Prime Minister Julia Gillard wants to make that tally 31 by tomorrow, asking the ALP national conference in Sydney for a conscience vote on gay marriage.

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  • RyaN says:

    04:23pm | 05/12/11

    @ATM: Yoh! Thats horrific! Read more »

  • Christian Real says:

    07:44am | 04/12/11

    acotrel The LNP has made lying into an art form, they have perfected in such a way that their supporters and followers are blinded by their party’s lies and deceit,and continue to spread their party’s scare-mongering and fear campaign. Read more »

 

The Age reported this morning that former Tasmanian premier David Bartlett has called on the Labor Party to overturn marriage laws that prevent gay marriage, even by Australians in countries where same-sex marriages are legal. The call came after Bartlett’s half-sister, Angela Borella, was prevented from marrying her partner in Portugal. Here, Angela tells her story.

I met her earlier this year in Indonesia. She is Portuguese. I am Australian. We knew after ten days that we never wanted to be apart, so when my medical volunteer contract ended in Indonesia six weeks later, I flew to Portugal to be with her and we now live in Lisbon.

Imagine how the world could be… so happy together

She is the most kind, caring and beautiful person I have ever met. It is like we’ve always known each other. She knows me better than I know myself.

I’ve never felt so loved in my entire years. I would give everything I have for her happiness. She makes me feel complete and whole.

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  • Peter says:

    10:11am | 01/12/11

    Typical government bullsh!t. She has asked for a certificate of no incumbent, which should simply state if she is married or not in Australia. It is relating to her and SHOULD HAVE NOT BEARING OR RELATION to whom she wishes to marry.. Why should a certificate outlining if you are… Read more »

  • GC_Girl says:

    12:19pm | 30/11/11

    This article is very upsetting. The Government has no right to refuse to issue a document, based on a wish to be married in another country (pro-marriage equality) where that person is currently domiciled.  If reversed and another country contacted our Government requesting that a penalty be issued to an… Read more »

 

There is a strong connection between gays and lesbians having the choice to marry and significantly improving their mental and physical health.

Can't imagine why this would upset anyone. Pic: Paul Toohey

The link has been highlighted by the American Psychological Association which recently issued a statement citing the growing number of studies into marriage and the mental health of same-sex attracted people.

According to the statement, which was unanimously endorsed by the APA’s governing body, denying same-sex attracted people the right to marry:

a) excludes them from the many health benefits of marriage,
b) reinforces “minority stigma” against them and their families, and
c) may reduce the longevity of their relationships.

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  • mel says:

    05:13pm | 26/11/11

    Apologies everyone, even crazy creationists, real scientists regard the age of the earth as about 4.5 billion years old, not 3.5 billion as I typed earlier. Read more »

  • mel says:

    02:29pm | 26/11/11

    Hey apologist, we’re still waiting on those scientific delusions which you believe show your bible offers a consistent world view! More of your deluded perspective which I missed as I was laughing so hard yesterday: you mention “it is generally accepted that the earth is millennia years old”. Umm, nowhere… Read more »

 

In a move shocking to precisely no one, Kim Kardashian, reality TV queen, perennial gossip magazine cover girl and not much else, announced yesterday that she and her husband of 72 days had filed for divorce.

Getting hitched…to a big pile of cash.

From start to rapid finish Kardashian’s marriage was an exercise in attention and money-seeking.

E! paid the couple $15 million for the television rights to their wedding special show, while People magazine coughed up close to $3 million for wedding and engagement related rights. The guests were treated to a $20,000 wedding cake.

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  • Fiona says:

    10:33pm | 02/11/11

    The same goes for women. Read more »

  • Fiona says:

    10:26pm | 02/11/11

    Do we???? How many women do you know? I’ve never watched their show, or bought magazines with her in it. Yet sadly I know of her, just as I see far more sports than I’d like to. Read more »

 

It is our human relationships that give meaning to our existence. They make the joys of life joyous and the sadness in life sad. The sharing of experiences provides our context, the reference point for our hopes, our travails, our daily endeavours.

Our laws should accept the truth of human relationships. Pic: AFP

Our interrelationships define our society, inspire our creativity. Democracy and art are both functions of the truth that we do not live alone. For many of us this communitarian conviction lies at the core of our politics.

Human relationships haven’t much changed for hundreds of years. Despite the wishes or ignorance of some – whether blissful or baleful – humans have been loving each other in many different ways for centuries.

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  • fairsfair says:

    04:08pm | 27/10/11

    I’m sorry matt but you have completly miss understood what I was saying and I don’t have the energy to further explain myself. I am so over this discussion - as is most of moderate Australia. Read more »

  • Matt says:

    02:13pm | 27/10/11

    semi i didn’t say that at all, don’t put words in my mouth.. In fact I said - ‘When the majority of the population is behind incest, polygamy and polyandry then yes, legally recognise them.’ I also didn’t say anything about children.. fairs, you haven’t explained the reasoning, you’ve simply… Read more »

 

If we ever needed proof that politicians should respectfully butt out of moral issues like gay marriage, we got it this week in South Australia.

Better late than never. Pic: AFP

On Monday – the same day we learnt that the number of Australian households with mum, dad and kids is set to plummet to just 22 per cent within 15 years – outgoing Premier Mike Rann said the time for same-sex marriage had arrived.

So, after effectively putting the issue in the too-hard basket for almost a decade as premier and also during a stint as Labor’s national president, Mr Rann has a rainbow epiphany on the eve of his departure.

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  • ADam says:

    12:39pm | 26/10/11

    Where did you get the 5% figure from? The latest ESTIMATE for people who openly declaired their homosexual orientation is 10 or 11%. And your narrow-minded, uneducated comments referring to homosexual intercourse only make you sound like a fool and does nothing to support your argument. Read more »

  • adam says:

    12:34pm | 26/10/11

    I’d also like to point out that non Christian nations who do not practice Christianity also have marriage. Once again this is religion picking and choosing parts of a book that they want to follow. The church’s whole opposition to homosexuality comes from it’s reference to being an ‘abomination’. in… Read more »

 

Dear Jim,

Re: Welcome to the ‘Homosexual Lobby’ and today’s vote on same-sex marriage in Tasmania

Now here's something you SHOULD be frightened of. Pic: Paul Toohey

UPDATE: The historic motion backing same-sex marriage has been passed by the Tasmanian House of Assembly, the Mercury reports.

Over the past few months you have either said, tweeted or endorsed the following: “Anzacs didn’t die for gay marriage”, “the global gay Gestapo…is brainwashing people”, “gay marriage will disrupt the natural order”, “gay marriage will lead to paedophiles marrying children”, and of course you came to Miranda Devine’s defence when she linked the London riots to Senator Penny Wong and her partner expecting a child.

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If you’re like me, you’ve been wondering with trepidation what will happen when the Gaypocalypse finally strikes.


Are fudge-packers, nancy-boys, and pillow-biters all names for the same thing, or do they signify a hierarchy of types and sizes, like orcs? Which are most dangerous? And where do the Poohole Pirates come in? Are they like the Men of Harad?

What about elephants? Will there be elephants? Will they be pink? Will we be forced to toil in underground sequin mines while Freddy Mercury lashes us with moustachioed falsetto arpeggios? And dear God, why didn’t we listen to Fred Nile?

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  • Sheyne says:

    06:56pm | 09/01/12

    I am always deeply amused by those anti-gay uber-liberals who claim that allowing gay couples to affirm their love and commitment to each other via the exchange of marriage vows and rings will somehow debase or devalue THEIR relationships. Really? I mean, I would have thought the institution of marriage… Read more »

  • mel says:

    07:25pm | 06/09/11

    Oh my, MB Andrews, you don’t like the idea of same sex marriage, do you? You act as if you are one of those crazy religious fundamentalists. There are two questions related to same sex marriage in the survey: 1. Same-sex marriages are legal in a number of countries, such… Read more »

 

Journalism, as they say, is the first draft of history. This week Julia Gillard defended journalism and history might just reward her as a result.

Labor MP Craig Thomson at the pokies forum earlier this week. Pic: The Daily Telegraph

On Monday, The Daily Telegraph splashed with what can only be modestly described as a ball-tearing yarn about some appalling alleged behaviour by repeat troublemaker Craig Thomson.

Not content with having approved thousands of dollars spent on hookers during his time as a union boss, nor the alleged misuse of union funds during his election campaign, nor even the use of ALP members’ money to pay his lawyers to bail him out, Thomson is accused of blowing up at a female charity worker who happened to be MC’ing a forum on the controversial pokies cap.

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  • Dennis says:

    08:56pm | 26/08/11

    To many advisors with too much power. Gillard you have a chance to either fail or win but only on your own decisions. If you listen to the would be’s you will undoubtedly lose. Read more »

 

Most people won’t even register that there is something different about this year’s census, but I will be cracking open the champagne and waving a flag. A big, bright, rainbow flag.

Now recognised by the ABS as a married couple. Photo:AFP.

The Australian Bureau of Statistics gets a gong this week for being the first government department to recognise my overseas same-sex marriage to my partner, Sarah.

One small tick for the box, one giant tick for the ABS.

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  • Disraeli says:

    09:53pm | 15/08/11

    If you cannot keep control of yourself, under fair and civil criticism of your remarks, you’re wasting your time posting. Having lost your self-control, you indulge in sprays of insensate personal insult and false personal assumption.  These add no weight to your opinion. They leave me utterly unmoved. You have… Read more »

  • Govt@FauxCitizen says:

    01:30am | 14/08/11

    @ Disraeli,,Honest and law abiding decent peope know their moral and legal boundaries and unspoken civic obligations, how many plumbers, electricians, builders, doctors, police,nurses, drivers etc. have that all important peice of paper for wich the state gets their fees and hapily allows the incompetants to perform less than reasonably,… Read more »

 

What’s more cruel and unusual? Banning same-sex couples from getting hitched or pressuring them to do it at warp speeds (thereby depriving them of the lengthy fights over floral arrangements and weird chair furniture that are the birthright of every straight dyad)?

Next!

When gay marriage became legal in New York last weekend, the race was on for queer twosomes to make honest gays and lesbians of themselves.

It was a case of on your marks, get set, MARRY.

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  • No to gay marriage says:

    10:21pm | 03/08/11

    The biggest ‘elephant in the room’ when it comes to gay marriage is… what kind of marriage are we talking about when it comes to gay couples.  Research shows that gay couples - particularly men - in the majority are not living a ‘white picket fence’ relationship.  Monogamy is not… Read more »

  • Ex-Chrisitan says:

    05:13pm | 02/08/11

    @ the apologist ‘The word of God does give some emphasis to particular sins, for example, some were worthy of the death penalty and some weren’t – thus there is a real sense in which some are more serious than others and deserve more attention. Misuse of sexuality Biblically is… Read more »

 

This week in New York the hottest ticket in town is not the latest Broadway musical or the opening of hip new restaurant, it’s the Marriage Bureau. So many same-sex couples have been waiting for the day when they can say “I do” that a lottery system has had to be introduced to deal with the amount of weddings set to take place.

Hey, come on, three's a crowd! Photo: AFP

This marriage boom is much needed in a state that has 50,000 divorces a year, almost 1000 a week! The gays will be combating this figure over the coming months with thousands upon thousands of loving and committed couples set to legalise their love.

Marriage is an institution that so many straight couples have taken for granted for so long, and it is now being strengthened by the same-sex couples who fought to be a part of it.

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  • Shane says:

    09:22am | 27/07/11

    It’s a bit naive to think that gay men and women would get married for the same reasons as straight couples and thus end up divorcing at the same or similar rate.  In actual fact, homosexual divorce rates so far in the UK, Denmark and Sweden are lower than heterosexual… Read more »

  • Outraged says:

    10:36pm | 26/07/11

    It’s not pessimistic, just realistic. I don’t believe in Gay Marriage. I don’t believe in Straight Marriage. I dont think ANYONE should get married in this day-and-age. People live too long nowadays. You statistically are not going to spend 70+ years of your live monogomously with one person. Gays had… Read more »

 

There are some very odd bedfellows in the anti-gay-marriage camp. Like, for example, conservative Christians and gay libertarians. The former think that gays will wreck marriage, the latter that marriage will wreck gays.

It is soooo time to partay. Pic: AP

The first argument goes like this: marriage was made by God to unite men and women. Gay marriage will debase that institution, stripping it of its sacred meaning.

The same argument, couched in more secular terms, is offered just as often by people who say they are against discrimination, except when it comes to marriage because… and then insert whatever spurious, depressingly legalistic, horribly thin argument you choose…

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  • Not putting my name here on this one occasion to a says:

    06:40pm | 07/07/11

    Nick, I’m adopted. Met my natural parents, and discovered, as many adopted children do, that I didn’t miss out on much. Thank heavens for my adoptive parents. Yes, gay people might have access to the same assistive technology as straight people. You’d have lesbian couples accepting sperm from donors…just like… Read more »

  • GlendaSings says:

    06:12pm | 07/07/11

    @Sheldon…it’s simple. Legalise same sex marriage, and we’ll stop talking about it. It can become business as usual, as unremarkable as heterosexual marriage. Sounds good to me. Read more »

 

What with New York legislating same-sex marriage, and Labor state conferences toppling like dominos, it appears that same-sex marriage activists have adopted a new tack: “momentum rhetoric”.

We mustn't comb over the big issues

The most blatant momentum rhetoric sprang up around the recent Galaxy Poll, wherein 75 per cent of respondents agreed that same-sex marriage is inevitable in Australia.

It was an odd poll - more Nostradamus than Aquinas - on what really is a complicated political and moral issue. No engagement with the issue itself, just speculation as to where we might end up.

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  • mary says:

    06:41pm | 21/08/11

    Excellent article Tim! Marriage in our society IS between a man and a woman (as in nearly all the world’s societies) and I would suggest to that minority who want it any different, to go shift countries. Read more »

  • Nathan says:

    06:53pm | 19/08/11

    The definition of marriage is the union of a man and a woman solely.  And lets not forget it’s important that marriage also remain an institution centred around the wellbeing of children, not the ‘rights’ of adults.  Kids should always be the main priority. Read more »

 

The scenes outside the Stonewall Inn after the announcement that the New York Senate had passed the legislation to enable marriage equality could have not been more different to the riot that gave Stonewall its reputation as the epicentre of the gay rights movement back on 27 June 1969.

Jubilation, tears of joy and relief, marriage proposals, the crowd spontaneously breaking into choruses of “New York, New York”. Watching it on Twitter and YouTube provided a sense of immediacy, but I have never before wanted so much to be there in New York City to experience first hand such a moment in history.

Back in Australia, and ironically, this weekend yet another ALP State conference defied the bloody-minded rhetoric of its Federal leader to vote in support of marriage equality.

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  • Dawn says:

    12:17am | 01/07/11

    Some sectors of the lesbian community oppose lesbian marriage on political grounds. There’s actually a lesbian manifesto against it. Personally, I’d rather chew off my own arm than get married, but I do think that it’s the principle of the matter as far as equality and therefore I support it.… Read more »

  • joshwhite says:

    04:40pm | 29/06/11

    Quick call me a bigot and a homophobe again. The overwhelming majority are against making a mockery of marriage, a random poll conducted on the streets of Paddington isn’t worth the paper it’s printed on. Still upset ? Good, stick to your own little corner of Sydney and stop trying… Read more »

 

“This is a vote that is not about morality, that is not about religion. You can’t legislate morality, but you can legislate justice.”

People watch the vote from the Senate chamber. Photo: AP

The words of Senator Eric Schneiderman, New York Attorney General, are a poetic reminder of why the New York Senate passed legislation allowing same-sex couples to marry. On Friday, New York became the sixth state in the US to remove discrimination in marriage laws, joining Iowa, Massachusetts, Vermont, Connecticut and New Hampshire.

This decision comes amidst a range of local and international moves in the past month to recognise the civil rights of sexual and gender minorities. In a historic move, the majority of countries in the United Nations Human Rights Council passed a resolution condemning violence and discrimination against people on the basis of sexual orientation and gender identity.

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  • Tim says:

    08:09am | 02/07/11

    I don’t think the people who’s lives you are talking about find it silly. It’s easy to be dismissive of someone else’s feelings when it’s not you who is affected. I guess we shouldn’t worry about anyone who only makes up a small percentage of the population? Deaf people -… Read more »

  • Clancy says:

    09:28pm | 01/07/11

    Let it go Paul Horn. You are pathetic. Why don’t you lube up a crucifix or bible and shove it right up your homophobic dickhole. Read more »

 

My name is Sandy and I am a fiancée, mother, friend, and primary school teacher.

Happy families

My gorgeous fiancée of two years, Louise, is an ex-nurse who now works as a medical equipment consultant to hospitals. We have two beautiful boys from my previous marriage – aged 11 and 9.

We are a loving and close family, just like any other. Except in one way: my partner and I are both women so under Australian law, cannot marry. Many people do not regard us as a family.

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  • Plose says:

    03:32pm | 28/06/11

    Nice On Sandy. Well done to you and yours and I hope all goes well with the dinner. Read more »

  • Sandy Miller says:

    06:20pm | 23/06/11

    Wow!Boy did my personal story open a can of worms and such strong opposing views. For those of you who have offered supporting comments thank you it has touched us and we appreciate it. For those of you who don’t support our view on marriage and having the same rights… Read more »

 

Same-sex parents are no different than other parents in wanting the very best for their children.

We're here, we're queer, our kids shouldn't live in fear

We know that removing legislative inequality is a very significant step in lessening the discrimination and social exclusion experienced by these parents and their children. All children, irrespective of the family units into which they are born or live, deserve the full protection of the law.

That’s why I’m proud to have chaired a year-long Social Development Committee Inquiry into same sex parenting for the South Australian Parliament, and why I’m prouder still of the wide-ranging reforms aimed at providing greater legal protection for children of same-sex parents recommended to Parliament yesterday.

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  • David says:

    02:21pm | 01/08/11

    @Robert Smissen As a guy who grew up in rural SA, your declaration of it being “God’s own country” is offensive to me. Read more »

  • Linda says:

    03:14pm | 09/06/11

    @fairsfair.  Your comment is anything but fair.  Who are you to dismiss my repeated miscarriages as not losing my babies? Read more »

 

Love makes a marriage, even a Royal one. This is the simple and powerful message of the upcoming wedding of Prince William and Kate Middleton, one that’s relevant to Australia’s same-sex marriage debate.

Cartoon: Peter Nicholson

Once royal weddings were about dynastic alliances. That began to change in the twentieth century, but still there were limits on who a royal married, famously illustrated by the abdication of Edward VIII to marry a divorcee.

As recently as the marriage of William’s father, Charles, to Lady Di, it was inconceivable that an heir to the throne would marry outside the aristocracy or have a relationship with his fiancé prior to the wedding.

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  • Alle23 says:

    05:20am | 02/05/11

    Open your mind and read this article:  http://www.newsweek.com/2011/02/25/donor-conceived-and-out-of-the-closet.html Read more »

  • mel says:

    05:01pm | 01/05/11

    Servaas, I see you keep using this poor ‘benefit to society’ argument, which no-one agrees with or cares about. (And really, isn’t it just a cloak for your christian perspective of ‘my god doesn’t like it so I don’t either”?) But to follow your ‘reasoning’, all sorts of people and… Read more »

 

This week, Facebook pages have been brimming over with pictures of same-sex couples kissing. The pictures are a protest against Facebook because a photo (actually a still from EastEnders) of two blokes having a pash was removed.

The EastEnders still that was removed, sparking worldwide protests

Facebook have now apologised, saying the removal was a mistake (check out the exclusive news.com.au story here). Maybe it was, but people are right to be cynical when discrimination against gay people is still seen as OK by many sections of society.

Growing up, there were some things I couldn’t get my head around. Differential equations were one, homophobia was another.

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  • Servaas says:

    08:28pm | 25/04/11

    Well, if you have been reading everything I said everywhere you should have seen my arguments as well: the only reason for acknowledging marriage is for the sake of children growing up in it and the safest plce for them to grow up in is one with a mom and… Read more »

  • mel says:

    09:45pm | 23/04/11

    Oh Servaas, you do not have much idea about a free and fair society, do you? You have this stupid argument about governments discriminating for relationships that “benefit the nation over whom they govern by providing them with special priviledges [sic] and encouraging it”. You have used this argument in… Read more »

 

Hi, gay people! How’s it going? Don’t tell me… just super, right? That’s what you people say isn’t it? Not that I would know, not being gay and all.

Sheesh. These people don't even look like they want to change. Pic: Charles Brewer

I’m sorry if that sounded like an odd thing to say. I don’t normally declare my sexual persuasion so abruptly. But I’ve heard you like to convert normal people with your gay agendas and your corrupting lifestyle choices, and since I’m being so open and friendly I didn’t want you getting any funny ideas about recruiting me.

I also heard that gays are pretty upfront and brash most of the time, so I’m pretty sure you’ll appreciate the candour. Just so long as you promise not to get turned on by it. Unless of course you happen to be lesbians. But only the hot ones that look like normal women.

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  • Hayley says:

    04:30pm | 09/05/11

    I actually quite enjoyed this piece. Though some people don’t seem to understand that it’s satire… Now we get to the topic of gay marriage, EVERYONE is entitled to their own view on this issue, but just keep in mind that not everyone is going to agree with your view,… Read more »

  • Brah says:

    05:29pm | 02/05/11

    SarahJaneJones - How do you find your way to work each day? You clearly are just guessing and are happy to think your guesses must be right.  I refer to my other comments re decriminalise. Of course homosexual activity is legal. The issue is do with marriage. It is illegal… Read more »

 

What a week it has been for the Prime Minister of our nation, Our Lady of the Lodge, the Very Reverend Julia “Traditional Values” Gillard.

Her Holiness holds a baby up towards Jesus. Photo: AAP Image Pool

Let me get this “straight”…if you’ll pardon the expression.  Our first female Prime Minister, an atheist living in a de facto relationship, claims to be a traditionalist with a conservative upbringing. 

We are exhorted to go back to Bible stories to understand why marriage equality doesn’t fit with Australia’s cultural heritage because we have to see where we have come from.

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  • Peter Jackson says:

    03:18pm | 01/04/11

    Equality for gays and lesbians we have? What a piece of rubbish ! ... All introduced by the government as a nicely covered up scheme to make money from a previously untapped source… de-facto relationships between gay people. Well, in a way there you have equality with the rest of… Read more »

  • Anna says:

    09:39pm | 28/03/11

    Gays and lesbians are a minority group who only relatively recently gained the legal right to even have relationships, let alone get married. We’ve been pathologised, locked up in jails and mental institutions, cast out by our families, beaten in the streets by police and our fellow citizens and in… Read more »

 

There are two key questions around the issue of gay marriage. One is the pretty straight forward question of whether you support it or not, and the polls suggest it is line ball.

Gillard's opposition to gay marriage has been resolute. Photo: Sandra Mu, Getty Images

The other question is whether you support the idea of politicians keeping their promises. I haven’t seen the polling on that but I would presume that no research firm has bothered to do any, as you would expect about 100 per cent of people to answer yes, politicians should obviously keep their promises, what a silly question to ask.

Having gone to the last election saying there would be no carbon tax under a government she leads, Julia Gillard will now be introducing one on July 1 next year. It’s a serious breach of voter confidence and one which has done her serious political damage.

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  • Hannah says:

    09:52am | 08/03/11

    Yes..about that suicide rate,I have seen gay people judged and bullied into taking their own lives in the actual gay community by gays themselves,like a pack of henpeckers.It made me sick…but we don’t hear gay people harping on about that now do we?That you destroy you own,gosh if that was… Read more »

  • Mary says:

    11:23pm | 07/03/11

    I’m a lesbian who has no interest in emulating the heterosexual institution of marriage, but I understand that some lesbians and gays desire marriage and believe that it’s their right. I also think that lesbian and gay marriage is inevitable so can we please just get on with legislating it… Read more »

 

Prime Minister Julia Gillard has been confronted by concerned members of the Labor Right over legislation that would restrict the ability of the Commonwealth to overturn territory laws.

Right wing power brokers Don Farrell, John Hogg and Steve Hutchins.  Source: The Daily Telegraph

Their fear is that it would allow the territories to introduce their own laws on same-sex marriage and euthanasia, and the Prime Minister has been forced to delay her support for the bill.  Wayne Swan this morning has said the concerns are “legitimate.”  It’s a statement of the obvious that Julia Gillard is squeezed from the left by her coalition with the Greens, and from the right by the Labor party’s right wing concerned it will lose touch with increasingly angry base.

Perhaps what is less clear is what the territories’ legislation will actually allow.  Legally it doesn’t actually allow gay marriage or euthanasia, but there is a divergence between legal and political realities which would open up the door to their legalisation.

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  • Alexander says:

    02:56pm | 07/03/11

    I cant resist… History shows that your church definitely accepts ‘pedaphillia’ among it’s more important members.  Does that mean they have already gone past the point of accepting gay marriage. As for your views on the IVF waiting list they are simply embaressing.  IVF services are vastly overloaded, they always… Read more »

  • Mat says:

    12:09pm | 07/03/11

    Travelling through Asia is fine if you are a mature adult.  But our youth are so impressionable!  They must be protected. Read more »

 

If gay marriage is too controversial for some federal politicians to handle – with entrenched positions on both sides – why don’t we do what political pragmatists are taught to do, and compromise? Say, with civil unions?

Cartoon: Mark Knight

After all – they have civil unions in the UK and NZ and many other countries. To conservatives you can argue that this gives the gays their relationship recognition but still keeps marriage exclusive to the heterosexual club.  And to the gays you can argue that it’s a huge step forward – they get their ‘weddings’ now and all the state recognition that goes with them … and that eventually society may feel relaxed enough to move to marriage … one day … down the track. 

Seems like the perfect solution for any politician who just wants this debate to go away.  Like Prime Minister Gillard for example.

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  • Jack says:

    09:36pm | 01/03/11

    Chris; yuo are mcompletely mistaken, and it a most unwothy thing to simply abuse those who don’t agree with you. it is also very rude, Where are your manners?Jack Read more »

  • Thoughtful says:

    09:30pm | 01/03/11

    Maarriage is the union of a man with a woman. It is a biolgical partnership which has taken many forms. It is the social and biological foundation ypon which societ rests. Men and womam are biologically different, anc their roles are complementary especially in the nuturing and bringing up of… Read more »

 

It’s not entirely clear when the political momentum to consider allowing gay marriage in Australia suddenly became so noticeable. The Greens certainly helped pushed it along in Canberra with its Bill to compel MPs to consult their constituents on the topic over the summer break.

There, on the horizon, boats of floats headed for Mardi Gras! Cartoon: Peter Nicholson

But for an issue that really doesn’t have the slightest impact on the vast majority of the population, the tide does seem to be heading in a direction that could leave the two major political parties stuck on a sandbar somewhere wondering how to get off. Maybe its a sign things are travelling better than we thought, what with everyone having time to think about a social issue beyond their hip pockets.

According to a huge poll reported on News.com.au this morning, two thirds of Australians have no problem with gay marriage. Of the 150,000 people who took part nationally, 46 per cent were in favour, 35 per cent were opposed and 19 per cent couldn’t care either way. This is good news for the gay marriage lobby, but there’s a big catch.

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  • Andrew of Mornington says:

    08:38am | 04/03/11

    What a load of absolute bullsh*t! So we overturn our society, our ageless traditions, our morals and endanger future generations, just to appease the tiny number of mincers who are throwing a screaming hissy fit, just because they’ve chosen their lifestyle and have to endure the consequence of not getting… Read more »

  • Andrew of Mornington says:

    08:37am | 04/03/11

    What a load of absolute bullsh*t! So we overturn our society, our ageless traditions, our morals and endanger future generations, just to appease the tiny number of mincers who are throwing a screaming hissy fit, just because they’ve chosen their lifestyle and have to endure the consequence of not getting… Read more »

 

The Gillard Government’s love nest with a fragmented bunch of Greens and independents has been barely consummated before it faces its first big lovers’ row.

Cartoon by The Australian's Bill Leak

The dispute over the recognition of gay marriage is not an easy issue to handle for a Government trying to project unity and conciliation.

Contrary to the post-election happy snaps of MPs giving each other group hugs, vowing to show a spirit of respect and solidarity, there’s nothing unifying about gay marriage.

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  • LC says:

    02:54pm | 11/01/11

    The slippery slope is still a fallacy, John. Read more »

  • Chantelle says:

    01:31am | 28/11/10

    I look forward to a time when I am judged solely by my actions in the world and not the gender of the person I love.  I look forward to a time when faceless people are unable to tell me that my love is any less valid than someone else’s.… Read more »

 

People are doing it under the Golden Arches, underwater, in the nude and in Nazi uniforms.

All I need is the air that you breathe. Pic: AFP.

They get hitched in all manner of ways and the water-cooler conversations this week have been dominated by nuptials of all sorts.

There’s the couple renewing their vows at McDonalds. Would you like a Happily Ever After meal with that?

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  • papachango says:

    12:46pm | 22/11/10

    Not so so much weird as tacky, but I think this one takes the biscuit: http://tackyweddings.com/2008/10/30/outer-limits-tacky-150k-wedding-for-uk-16-year-old-girl-ugliest-dress-ever/ Read more »

  • Tory Shepherd

    Tory Shepherd says:

    10:47pm | 20/11/10

    That frightened me off doing a wedding dance… who could compete? Read more »

 

“We want what they’ve got” is not a valid argument for gay marriage.

Illustration: Eric Lobbecke.

I have to agree with Professor Kerryn Phelps that the quality of debate over same-sex marriage is depressingly tepid.

But to be fair, it’s not just the defenders of traditional marriage who exhibit a lack of intellectual rigour in mounting their case.

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  • Guilo says:

    02:28pm | 15/11/11

    The best post so far is the coca cola and water comparison.  What the homosexual community wants is ACCEPTANCE by society for the chosen lifestyle which is repucnant to the rest.  Hence “Gay” is more acceptable than ‘Homosexual”.  The word marriage has a clear definition.  The word “gay” used to… Read more »

  • DOT says:

    06:52pm | 30/09/11

    Perfectly put, and @Paul Horn, ...marriage is under our current definition meant to be between two people. the problem is discrimination due to gender furthering the terrible discrimination globally of gender roles and abusive sexism. Maybe someday, we will be debating to legalise polygamyist marriage, but ti seems a bit… Read more »

 

Watching the debate over the merits of gay marriage, I feel like I am watching a scene from the movie “The Castle” where the totally underprepared solicitor for the plaintiff gives as his sole argument: “It’s the vibe”. 

This is not the place for Darryl Kerrigan or Dennis Denuto.

That pretty much sums up the quality of the arguments being put forward by those opposing marriage equality. While supporters of gay marriage have abundant and cogent arguments about why it is right and fair, its opponents have nothing more to offer than “I don’t like it” or “that’s what the Marriage Act says”. They put forward no justification because there is no justification.

The Marriage Act says that marriage is between a man and a woman because John Howard changed the wording as recently as 2004.

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  • Mary says:

    11:52pm | 14/03/11

    Rubbish, I nothing against two people loving each other but two men having gay sex is just wrong. Therefore its wrong to marry cuz you gonna have sex arent you? You have more risk of disease, health problems etc. More risk of bowel cancer, prostrate cancer, HIV and related diseases.… Read more »

  • the apologist says:

    06:08pm | 15/12/10

    Steely, just to let you know, i’m out and about in coming weeks. I’ll try to reply promptly, but if responses are slow you’ll know why. Thanks for the conversation, I appreciate it - not sure how long it’ll kick on for (it seems to have been going for some… Read more »

 

Gay marriage is supported by a majority of Australians. At least that’s what the few published opinion polls on the issue would suggest.

Loren Cowley (left) and Michelle Ricketts seal their vows in a wedding protyest outside the ALP convention in Sydney last year. Photo: AFP

The most recent poll, in October of this year, was commissioned by a pro-gay marriage lobby group called Australian Marriage Equality. But it was conducted by the independent polling firm Galaxy, which since 2004 has one of the best records at picking federal and state election results. With a solid sample of 1050 respondents, the Galaxy survey found that 62 per cent of Australians did not have a problem with the idea of same-sex marriage.

The result was in keeping with other recent polls which have shown either a narrow or comfortable majority of people supports gay marriage. A different question, however, is whether people wanted the Gillard Government to act as a matter of urgency to legalise gay marriage.

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  • Sandy says:

    04:19pm | 21/11/10

    “The world is moving towards harmony and equality.”  Really?  Says who? The world may be trying to.  But maybe we just had a bit of a break after a couple of almighty world wide dust ups at the start of the 20 century.  According to the demographers we’re becoming more… Read more »

  • Sandy says:

    04:11pm | 21/11/10

    @ Corban. Do I have to spell it out for you. Competition baby. Combined with clear policy by religions.  That’s my guess anyway. See my latest post on Phelps’ Punch piece about the ‘vibe’.  You want to go deeper into the psychology of it?  Bring it on.  I note that… Read more »

 

Few have succeeded in defending the seemingly indefensible; O.J Simpson’s attorney being a notable exception. Yet I will attempt to make a defence for Wendy Francis, Queensland’s much maligned Senate candidate for Family First.

Family First Senate candidate Wendy Francis.

At the outset – a disclosure. Francis has used my PR company in the past for strategic advice (don’t laugh – I already know what you are thinking) and I assisted her from a media perspective in her campaign to “make the outdoors G-rated” a few months back.

That said, this article is not being written for her, nor does she have any knowledge of it. I am merely adding my perspective to bring some sense of balance and understanding to what has been an extremely one-sided, and in some ways unfair, reaction.

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  • LC says:

    05:31pm | 03/01/11

    Tony, sorry, but until they start spewing threats of violence, they haven’t committed a crime. Read more »

  • LC says:

    05:28pm | 03/01/11

    “But she – like all of us – deserves to put forward her views” Agreed. Then again, if she chooses to put forward homophobic views, or demand all children to be religiously indoctrinated by law, rational and open-minded people will speak up, and it’s not always going to be civil.… Read more »

 

Wendy Francis is the Family First Senate Candidate in Queensland who caused outrage at the weekend when some highly offensive claims about homosexual couples were posted on her Twitter page.

Self-proclaimed defender of Australian values Wendy Francis.

The @Wendy4Senate account, which displays all outward signs of being the work of the candidate herself, included this doozy: “Legitimising gay marriage is like legalising child abuse,” were posted, with no indication they were written by anyone but Francis.

In the face of national criticism, Francis yesterday put out a statement that was part apology, part claim of media victimhood and part a dump on her own staff.

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  • LC says:

    12:49pm | 09/01/11

    @ Biteme “there is a mountains of research that shows same sex relationships are not as stable as heterosexual relationships. There is also mountains of evidence that sexually transmitted diseases, casual sex, and drug use is much more prevalent in homosexual relationships.” [citation needed] Read more »

  • LC says:

    07:18pm | 08/01/11

    That Francis woman can’t let Fiona go 15 seconds without saying “YOU’RE WRONG” “THAT’S A LIE” or “YOU’RE A FRONT FOR THE PORN INDUSTRY”. God, let the woman talk, er…, woman. Makes me so much happier I voted for the Sex Party, no way would I vote for any political… Read more »

 

I’m relatively proud of what I’ve achieved professionally and personally. I wrote a letter of complaint that got me a new washing machine and a new career; I got the word ‘existential’ on the letters pages of The Daily Telegraph, got to ride in the Queensland and Federal Governments jets and I saved the government $10million in one afternoon.

I contributed to this being impossible in Australia

This was all before I discovered nominative determinism. Today’s name is Gai Lemon, a woman featured in an article in the Q Weekend in The Courier Mail about 20 years of Gay Rights in Queensland.

Which brings me to my point. There is one thing I’m not so proud of and that is my part in the amendments to the Marriage Act.

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  • Ethanael says:

    10:14am | 21/11/11

    Son of a gun, this is so hlpfeul! Read more »

  • Skipper says:

    11:44pm | 21/07/10

    Amending the Marriage Act is fine by me. Even better, amend the Telecommunications Act to exclude such soap box rubbish as this article…..dear oh dear, we are casting far and wide for someone to say something, aren’t we? Read more »

 

I know many of you would assume after my glowing endorsement of Ms Gillard and the opportunity she represents to shape a more inclusive socio-political culture that I’d be the first to denounce her opposition to gay marriage. Well, you’d be wrong.

In fact, I don’t consider the ‘right’ to marry part of any socially progressive agenda and so I say Julia is correct on this issue, but for the wrong reasons.

I guess I’ve always had a romantic, almost Wildean view of homosexuals as somehow more evolved than the rest of us. We all know deep down that stereotypes are true. So you know I’m right when I say that most gays are inherently more civilized and cultured, and are generally superior citizens than the rest of us.

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  • AnnieMelendez says:

    02:57pm | 10/01/11

    Some time ago, I needed to buy a building for my firm but I didn’t have enough cash and couldn’t buy anything. Thank heaven my brother adviced to take the business loans from creditors. Therefore, I acted so and was satisfied with my short term loan. Read more »

  • Greek Snake says:

    06:02pm | 06/07/10

    It isn’t misogyny at all. This implies hate for women. While I agree with the institution of marriage in it’s current form, I disagree that it is a trap for women. If anything, the rights of a woman in today’s western society is perhaps at it’s greatest in the family… Read more »

 

Is all love really equal? Marriage is defined in the Marriage Act as the ‘union between a man and woman’. While sadly this legal definition has much conservative political support, it is surprising to discover that our newly appointed Prime Minister, Julia Gillard, shares such a sentiment.

I don't, well not in Australia anyway. Photo AFP

As a heterosexual woman she exercised a choice not to marry, yet she denies these very same choices to gay or lesbian Australians.

Part of the problem with Prime Minister Gillard’s statement on marriage, is that it implicitly conflates secular and religious approaches to marriage. Civil marriages, those performed by the state, are a secular option for couples to formalise their relationship. In 2007, 63% of all marriages were solemnised by a civil celebrant rather than a religious minister.

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  • Mark says:

    05:33pm | 06/11/10

    Hi Alicia, Lasting marriage is not a fantasy it just takes commitment from both parties to make it work. Sadly these days self has become the new god on the block hence the rapid rise in divorce. Many of us though are committed to making our marriages work and this… Read more »

  • Mark says:

    05:08pm | 06/11/10

    The precise reason why there is such a high divorce rate is because we have devalued marriage. It’s no longer “us” but “you and I” with our own separate selfish lives. A friend told me recently marriage is just a piece of paper (well if you treat it like that… Read more »

 

Julia Gillard agreed to a surprise interview with controversial radio hosts Kyle Sandilands and Jackie O this morning, where she refused to make any changes to the governments ban on gay marriage. The Punch listened to the interview and reports back on how it unfolded.

Who needs Kerry O'Brien when you've got Kyle?

I didn’t want to like them, but there was a lot of laughter in the studios of Kyle Sandilands and Jackie O this morning, as they tackled their first interview with Julia Gillard.

And while I’m yet to be convinced that Sandilands should take his comparison to a “slimmer”, “funnier” Alan Jones too seriously, the easy banter and free flow of questions between themselves, the Prime Minister and listeners calling in, was a good example of what shows like theirs can achieve.

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  • Eloisa says:

    03:46am | 11/10/10

    Australia + NZ are the only 2 countries that allow intderdependent relationships, even going so far as to accept more same sex couples than others, whilst applying for immigration STATUS! ( I suppose that will change as well) Read more »

  • Joe Blow says:

    01:41pm | 21/07/10

    lol @ all you warriors who are so fed up with Labour that you are going to vote Green.  That’ll show them won’t it ..... and where are your preferences going again? Read more »

 

Thursday was not a good day to be gay.

The ALP says there's not enough support for same-sex families like this one. Picture: Chris Pavlich.

In Sydney, the ever ridiculous NSW Labor government rejected an Upper House committee’s recommendation that same-sex couples be allowed to adopt.

Chair of the six-person bipartisan committee, Christine Robertson, said allowing gay couples to adopt would “ensure the best interests of children.”

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  • ms walters says:

    07:03am | 08/12/11

    I have Friends That are same sex couple and have raised children from adoption there is no proof that the children will be gay or lesbian or even transgender if they are raised by same sex couple get with the time i’m am a lesbian been with my partner 7… Read more »

  • Luke says:

    01:20pm | 19/01/10

    “Every Australian State & Territory already legally recognises same-sex relationships” While I agree that this debate is boring and consistently ends up not helping anyone, I have a question: on what do you base the above assertion? Surely not on facts. I live in QLD and am planning to register… Read more »

 

The fight for gay marriage in the US took yet another blow last Wednesday when the New York state senate voted down a bill that would have allowed same-sex partners to marry in the empire state.

Oh Lord, how do I get out of this bunker? Photo by AFP.

It follows the repeal of gay marriage rights in California last November when voters in a referendum abolished a short-lived law that allowed gay couples to marry there.

The Governator’s state constitution now reads: “Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California.

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  • James says:

    03:15pm | 10/12/09

    Ouch Paul, now you’ve hurt my feelings.  I had no idea thinking that women are equal to men was such an awful thing.  Lucky people like you are around to set us young-uns straight. Read more »

  • DG says:

    03:00pm | 10/12/09

    @Bec - No, I did not assume that your meaning was literal. Actually I thought quite the opposite. I understood that you were suggesting that the whole experience was tortuous when there was a concept of “fault” as both parties set out to prove that the other was at fault.… Read more »

 

Welcome to Wednesday @ The Punch

Today in 2004 Canada’s Supreme Court ruled same-sex marriage constitutional, paving the way for it’s Parliament to legalise the practice.

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Marriage equality is often portrayed as being an agenda of those who oppose the Christian faith and despise heterosexual marriage.

All God's children

But as a married, heterosexual, evangelical Christian pastor and theologian I support the legislative amendment to allow same-sex couples the right to formalise their commitments in the legally-recognised covenant of marriage.

Privileging one theology over another

While personally I would gladly conduct and bless same-sex weddings, some of my evangelical brothers and sisters who cannot go that far still support this legislative amendment.

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  • Theresa says:

    07:39pm | 08/02/12

    Here Here!!! The Realist.  Amen to everything you have said.  I am a Christian and I believe what God’s undeniable and solid Word says.  In the beginning He created them Male & Female, not male and male or female and female.  This was done for procreation not for gay fornication. … Read more »

  • Theresa says:

    07:35pm | 08/02/12

    Bob God doesn’t make mistakes. He made you.  God bless you Read more »

 

You wouldn’t believe what goes on after dark at Sydney’s picturesque Taronga Zoo. This has just come across The Punch’s desk and we couldn’t resist sharing it with you.

Allo, allo, allo! What's going on 'ere then. Picture: Troy Bendeich

Australian Marriage Equality and New Mardi Gras have co-oped the critters at Taronga Zoo into next year’s Sydney Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras.

For $250 a head “guests will enjoy exclusive after-hours access to the Zoo, a private viewing of the famous bird show, meet some of the Zoo’s most exotic residents and learn about the animals and their homosexual activities.”

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  • Paul says:

    12:44pm | 08/10/09

    To all those people going on about Robert Downey Jnr in Tropic Thunder and the movie White Chicks… please grow a brain and do some research on the racist connotations behind “blackface”. This is not the same as parodying women, gays, or other races. Think about it for a minute.… Read more »

  • Voxpop says:

    09:51am | 08/10/09

    Eric “Voxpop, I think it’s not so much about homosexuality, as “any port in a storm”. Um yes that’s why I said “the bizzare or more accurately, opportunistic, were squid and octopus”  these animals don’t see enough of the opposite sex so take it where they can get it.  Though… Read more »

 

The present political consensus among the major parties against permitting and recognising same sex marriages is so obviously an intellectual surrender to the religious right that one looks for a single phrase rhetorical demolition of this anti-gay pretence of a position that would show it in all of its hypocrisy.

Participants in a mass 'illegal wedding' outside the ALP Conference in Sydney earlier this month. Pic: AFP

I do not, for a moment, believe that those politicians (including speakers at the recent Labor Party National Conference) who go on about protecting the “sanctity of marriage” believe the nonsense they espouse. I also fail to believe that they believe that a majority of the Australian people support the continued refusal to recognise single sex marriages.

I believe that the political imperative is to avoid the anger of that noisy minority, the religious right, which, itself, is hardly representative of most people of a religious persuasion in Australia. The political imperative also concerns the possible swing vote of the Family First in the Senate.

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  • alan says:

    07:59am | 26/08/09

    I’m not gay, but I’m willing to learn! Apparently 0.2 per cent of children born in Australia are hermaphrodite.  I suggest it’s wrong to discriminate against them.  They are human and still have rights regardless of how homophobic the rest of us might be. Read more »

  • Alan says:

    12:39am | 26/08/09

    After reading through all these comments.. all I have in response is Wow.. Just wow. Now my standpoint I want to share.  I went to a catholic primary school.  And a catholic high school.  I would definitly say I have christian values.  You know what, I’m Gay.  I didn’t choose… Read more »

 

When the delegates at the ALP National Conference sat down on Saturday to discuss the issue of same-sex marriage, there’s one question that should have loomed large in their minds: “Which side of history do you want to be on?”

Gay marriage: more and more countries are saying I do.

Despite the result, same sex marriage is inevitable in Australia - and a quick analysis of two factors makes this blindingly obvious. The first is the international situation.  Seven countries have now introduced same-sex marriage, along will six states of the USA.  Just like so many other waves of social reform before it (giving women the vote, decriminalizing homosexuality, etc.) same-sex marriage will spread throughout the western, liberal democracies eventually reaching Australia.
 
The second factor that makes same-sex marriage inevitable is the demographics. 

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  • Amanda says:

    11:46am | 20/12/11

    These people don’t want the right to have a religious marriage, they want the right to have a civil marriage. I’m not sue whether you read the article above or not. If not, then let me refresh you memory:  “To raise religious arguments against same-sex marriage misses the point.  We’re… Read more »

  • Richard says:

    06:30am | 07/12/11

    Saturday the 3rd December 2011 will go down as a day of infamy for Australia, when same sex marriage was recognised by the Labor party. Even though it’s not law yet this decision shall remain as a reproach to this nation and a shame to mankind. Same gender marriage is… Read more »

 

Raised on a diet of Disney movies, contemporary society has become so besotted with the idea of heterosexual romance, marriage and weddings, we fail to see the people for the confetti and happily-ever-afters.

Caught up in a Hollywood version of what constitutes a legitimate union, we’re becoming exclusive, political and discriminatory and overlooking what should be a very basic human right: the right of the individual to form a loving, public and legal commitment to another person and have it civilly sanctioned regardless of sexuality.

I find it fascinating and more than a little bit perplexing, that when it comes to discussions of same-sex unions, those best positioned to provide compassion and understanding resort to straw polls, prejudicial language and silencing tactics to proclaim, yet again, the almighty significance of heterosexual unions. 

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  • g says:

    02:53pm | 15/04/10

    “gay lobby”? I didn’t know there was one. Paranoid much? “won’t slide with the public”? well, sure, anyone over the age of 65. “accept this and move on”? tell you what - I will if you will. “you can’t force people to accept you…” So who’s problem, exactly is that?… Read more »

  • Andy says:

    09:18pm | 03/08/09

    No chase it ISNT, face that reality chump. Read more »

 

David Penberthy and others on The Punch have written about the issue of gay marriage recently. His argument was, essentially, that there are lots of bad traditional marriages and there would be some good gay marriages therefore we shouldn’t be worried about gay marriage.

Why not share the misery, asks Bill Leak in The Australian

While a lot of people may agree and leaving aside the fact that there would also be a lot of bad gay marriages, it’s not particularly good logic. It fails to discuss the nature of marriage and its purpose.

Is marriage perfect? Of course not. But mere imperfection of itself is not an argument for its removal or significant change.

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  • Geoff says:

    01:22am | 18/01/12

    One only has to look to Canada where marriage equality has been legal for nearly 10 years. People aren’t marrying their dogs or goats, polygamy is not rampant and straight couples continue to marry and have kids as they have done for hundreds of years. Society there is not collapsing.… Read more »

  • Dean says:

    01:10pm | 16/12/11

    That is a rather large claim to be making.  Do you know God personally?  Have you sat down with him over coffee, and he told you this? Read more »

 

On Friday, 5th of June this year, my partner Beck and I were married in Vancouver, Canada. However, since arriving home in Australia, our marriage is no longer recognised, and this has brought significant sadness to our lives, and also to our families who were unable to travel to Vancouver to be with us on our special day. 

Davina and Beck on their wedding day. Picture: Davina Storer (not to be reproduced without permission)

Beck and I are now in the bizarre predicament, that we are married in a growing number of countries in the world, but not married here in our own country.

Some people find this funny, saying we have the ‘best of both worlds’ we can get on a plane and be married one day, and get off a plane and be free of the ‘ball and chain’ the next. But this situation is far from funny to us. It is heartbreaking because we want to be married all the time, not just in certain parts of the world.

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  • Hopium says:

    12:46pm | 07/08/09

    I just got married. I’m not gay so mine is legally recognised. It was a secular celebration in a park. No church or religion involved. Once upon a time, you could not get married this way. I shed tears during the ceremony. Not for my beloved (we show love by… Read more »

  • Bugalug says:

    07:08pm | 31/07/09

    Bunny and Sal, I think the point is that saying “my friends say it’s OK/not OK” is not statistically valid, as groups of friends tend to self select people of similar views.  Pointless statement both ways, and all my friends agree with that assessment. Read more »

 

Can you believe that in 2009 we don’t allow same-sex couples to get married? It happens in countries all around the world. Not just where’d you expect like Holland and Sweden. But places like Spain and South Africa. It makes Australia look a little behind.

Everyone deserves their own Hallmark moment

We all have gay mates or rellies who pay their taxes and live by the law.

But when it comes to one of the most important moments of your life - your wedding day - the law says gays are suddenly so different they’re not allowed to have one.

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  • adam says:

    11:05am | 01/02/12

    ‘it has nothing to do with you or anyone else’ - yeah right it has a effect on the whole society. wake up and realize when 2 men or 2 women get married they might want to have a child. either by adoption or in vitro fertilization. look at the… Read more »

  • Matilda says:

    03:58pm | 25/01/12

    Terry, what if your child was gay and wished to marry their partner? what if YOU were gay? huh? it would be completely different then wouldn’t it. You watch and see gay marriage WILL happen. and besides, I think person beliefs such as this should be kept out of make… Read more »

 

The twin debates currently underway over marriage in Australia have at their core an arrogant and probably homophobic presumption that a miserable heterosexual marriage trumps a spectacularly happy fruity one.

Only a grouch would deny Bert and Ernie the right to legitimise their love.

Those who advocate the sanctity of marriage are unwittingly undermining the institution by arguing, on the one hand, that it should be harder for desperately unhappy couples to end their marriage, while also denying the wishes of couples who would be at their happiest if they were allowed to get married.

As a married person of some years, the whole issue leaves me cold, as marriage is the best example of an intensely private arrangement which is subjected to a raft of presumptuous external rules.

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  • handy says:

    04:52pm | 05/11/11

    we are gay couple, we happy with our lives, but we want equality, because one of us passed away, how abour property, superannuation, and others, we cant pass to the surviver, because some one will contest the will, so we wanrt gay marriege Read more »

  • Joey says:

    02:29pm | 18/10/11

    It shouldn’t matter who you marry. So they are female so are you, who cares????? Love is Love. I have 2 older siblings who are different. My sister is transgender. My brother is gay. When i look at them, I see that they are happy. I’m proud to have them… Read more »

 

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