Copenhagen
Apologies in advance to those with fixed views on a carbon tax. It is time the majority of Australians had a say. Well over half of us have shifted from supporting carbon pricing leading into Copenhagen to now opposing. In early 2008, my seat of Bowman had the highest carbon trading scepticism of seats polled by the Climate Institute; at 16 per cent. It now runs at nearly 70 per cent and it helps to remember why.

Let’s deal with the shame issue up front. Most Australians have little interest in national shame, be it border policies, the apology, shame about our live exports or the fact we mine and smelt.
Most Aussies are tired of being told by the elite we should be ashamed of our per capita emissions. We don’t leave our vehicles on in the garage at night. Our emissions correlate perfectly with our wealth, our energy intense export profile and that with the world’s second lowest population density; we travel further. I see no shame in that
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There is a great line in the Dan Brown novel, Angels & Demons, when Robert Langdon is speaking with the Camerlengo in the Vatican regarding the existence of God.

Langdon says, as an academic, he’ll never understand God, and his heart says he’s not meant to. Without wanting to be too melodramatic, this sums up my feelings towards climate change.
To be frank, I’d love to believe in climate change. It’s a popular idea, and it’s one that, if you can discuss it using lots of long-winded terminology, you can often sound very intelligent.
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It is cool that people are able to receive the credit loans and that opens up new possibilities. Read more »
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Phil Gorman says:
It’s not hard to understand. Greenhouse gases trap the Sun’s heat like glass in a greenhouse. Heat is energy. The atmosphere is a complex system. When energy is added to any system it becomes more active. Extreme weather is the result of a more active atmosphere. Read more »
Whatever happened to the grand promoter of the great big ETS tax – Prime Minister Rudd? Channel 9 said it cost $1.4 million to take 68 people to Copenhagen.

What was the cost of the remainder of the 114 that actually went?
Up to Copenhagen the great tax advocates were Mr Rudd and Senator Wong who have suddenly gone very quiet and given all the running to junior Minister Peter Garrett.
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persephone says:
Roberto and haven’t we had a lot of ‘the coldest this, the hottest that’ in recent years? That’s the whole point - once upon a time, these extreme climate events were dotted out through the years, with one excepitional event not matched for decades. Now we have extreme events occuring… Read more »
Copenhagen certainly was the right place to hold the biggest cocktail party of the 21st century - otherwise known as the Climate Summit.
After all it was the home of Hans Christian Andersen who wrote “The Emperor’s New Clothes” in 1837. It is truly a suitable parable.

In the story we had swindlers posing as weavers and convincing the Emperor that they could “manufacture the finest cloth to be imagined ……but the clothes made of their material possessed the wonderful quality of being invisible to any man who was unfit for his office or unpardonably stupid.”
The swindlers in the Andersen Tale demanded large sums of money in advance and asked for (and got) “the finest silk and the most precious gold cloth” and worked at empty looms until late at night.
In Copenhagen the attendees certainly got lots of money in advance and lived in great luxury.
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Shaun says:
Lester, I have no emotional investment on Rudd being PM, so whatever befalls him doesn’t concern me. However, I do tend to prefer moderate, centrist governments that do their best to govern for all people. I think the majority of Australians feel that way, and I really would be surprised… Read more »
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Johnno says:
Industrial Relations: Australia now has a system of true enterprise bargaining that is a model for the world. Labour relations over the past 30 years have managed to move from a system of cross enterprise unionism on the left and an individual contracts regime on the right to a true… Read more »
“Doth protest too much”. The ageless quote from Shakespeare’s Hamlet comes to mind when assessing world leaders response to the Copenhagen climate conference.

Lashings of praise have been heaped upon the Copenhagen Accord from Obama, the Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao, Kevin Rudd and other world leaders. It has been described as a “meaningful agreement”, “a great step forward” and “significant and positive”.
What would an agreement deserving of this kind of praise look like? The world needs a comprehensive global response that will deliver a safe climate, that is a minimally change climatic system that can support humanity to meet our needs.
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Colin J Ely says:
Elizabeth To quote the great Dorothea MacKellar ‘I love a sunburnt country, A land of sweeping plains. Of ragged mountain ranges, of droughts, and flooding rains.” Read more »
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Michael says:
Quoting Daniel on the most sensible thing written in this entire thread: “Let’s say it isn’t, and I’m wrong. What’s the harm in switching to renewable energy? What’s the harm in having international agreements on pollutants?..... Now consider the converse - what if I’m right, and we do nothing? We’ll… Read more »
If anyone is looking forward to the Christmas break it must be Kevin Rudd. The Prime Minister who created a narrative about his administration that it’s the can-do team on climate change has had the two biggest ticket items, the ETS and Copenhagen, all but fall over in less than a month.

While neither were strictly his doing (he was in the US when Tony Abbott nabbed the Liberal leadership and killed off a deal on the ETS), the Prime Minister had placed himself at the centre of both, no doubt confident a victory on either would be a huge political win.
He calls the outcome of the closing days in Copenhagen “frustrating”. I imagine that’s just the tip of the melting iceberg for how he really feels. And now Mr Rudd needs to work out how to take an issue that until six weeks ago was a political bonus for him and stop it turning into a political nightmare. And he’d better do it quickly.
Tony Abbott wasted no time yesterday framing the debate from here on. He told Sunday Agenda: “Look, I suppose good intentions are better than nothing, but Mr Rudd has failed his own test. He said a couple of years ago that what we needed to get were real targets against real timelines. He said, real progress means real targets against real timelines, and certainly by that standard it’s been a comprehensive failure.”
It was the words “his own test” that rammed home the point. At Copenhagen Kevin Rudd went from “friend of the chair” to the guy waiting outside the room when the three-page non-binding “meaningful” agreement was struck.
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Niki says:
Joe , I , for one am glad Malcolm Turnbull has gone as Leader . He was just an extension of Kevin Rudd anyway . He sat in the Opposing seat not to give Opposition to the Government but to help the Rudd Government whilst breaking down the Coalition Party… Read more »
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Joe says:
Sorry about the spelling mistake Shaun. I notice that you have one in your first sentence, does that make us even? But lets not quibble over trivia. I have been a Labor voter all my life but I find that the direction the party is taking us is a long… Read more »
The collapse in Copenhagen shows the power of the polluters over the politicians.

The oil coal and big resource companies put off the day of action and edged the world further into super-heating. That means worse drought, bushfires, snow- melt, tropical storm damage and accelerating sea level rises.
Penny Wong has blamed the failure to reach consensus in Copenhagen on a few “radical nations” like Venezuela and Uganda. But tiny Tuvalu has also championed real action on climate change by calling the promise of money, in return for agreement on inaction, “thirty silver coins” from the rich countries.
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Tony says:
Unfortately the “Green” movement stopped being about the environment around 1990 and started off on some journey to looney left socialist nirvana about the same time. Just happened to be right after the fall of the Berlin wall eh Bob!. Ask the founders of Greenpeace what they think of the… Read more »
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Tony says:
Unfortately the “Green” movement stopped being about the environment around 1990 and started off on some journey to looney left socialist nirvana about the same time. Just happened to be right after the fall of the Berlin wall eh Bob!. Ask the founders of Greenpeace what they think of the… Read more »
It’s snowing here in Copenhagen, as leaders feel the heat over climate change.

In the winter gloom, the flashing lights of police motorcades snake through the city. Is it Obama, Gordon Brown, or Kevin Rudd? It’s certainly not the President of the tiny, vulnerable Maldives, the shock troops of rising sea levels.
Walkouts by developing nations, angry clashes between protesters and police, people dressed as polar bears, Greenpeace ships moored in the canal not far from The Little Mermaid statue, business leaders selling wind power, electric vehicles, even shoes with recycled rubber soles.
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Davo says:
Mike, I’m amazed you didn’t pick up on which Hans Anderson fairytale was floating about in the zeitgeist among all those snowflakes. Remember The Emperor’s New Clothes? AGW is the emperor, but where are his clothes? He’s going to catch his death of a cold. To put it another way,… Read more »
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Uncle Buck says:
Good on you Mike. What the desperate and deluded climate deniers don’t seem to realize is that there has been a massive shift within governments and business over the last few years. There is a growing momentum behind this, in spite of attempts by deniers and their pathetic attempts to… Read more »
Yes, the Australian Government might have flown a few AFL teams worth of people to Copenhagen in a big stinking jet plane for the Climate Change summit but rest assured, Penny Wong is “actively encouraging” them to catch public transport while they’re there. So you can stop the ironic groans now thanks very much.

While this gesture of carbon reduction behaviour is commendable, The Punch can’t help worrying about the “baggage officer”, who’ll be ferrying bits of luggage all over Princess Mary’s home town, presumably on the Copenhagen Metro (his/her plight was first brought to out attention by @GregAtkinson_jp on Twitter).
Hopefully Senator Wong also “actively encouraged” the delegates to pack light. You know, two pairs of undies - one on, one slung over the hotel shower rack after you’ve hand washed them in the sink.
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Sandy Beach says:
average jet airliner = 5 litres/100km per passenger (if the plane is full) canberra -Copenhagen return = 32000km (aprox.) fuel per person = 1600 litres (aprox.) enough to travel about 16 000km in your average Aus. car. ( next time an evironmental guru flies around the world to tell you… Read more »
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Peter Simmons says:
The Rudd Air Force cost for NO 38 Excursion = $314,000. This excludes his special meals and the Servicemen’s accommodation. Hope the blow drier and hair dresser are OK. The Service personnel will probably sleep on the plane. What a Hypocrite. Read more »
Prime Minister Kevin Rudd does not have Parliament’s support for a climate-change deal to take to Copenhagen but he does have his valet as support.

The Australian media are reporting that Australia’s contingent at the Copenhagen climate-change conference will be the nation’s biggest ever diplomatic delegation.
The Prime Minister’s staff alone will total twenty-four including advisers, media staff, translators, security and most importantly the valet. Why would the Prime Minister need a valet? Well there will be 15,000 delegates and 70 world leaders in attendance and Mr Rudd hopes to make visible impression on this world stage.
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Brad of Toowoomba says says:
The disgraceful list of 114 delegates that Rudd took to Copenhagen is well worth a read and if it wasn’t so serious, would make for a great laugh. The equivalent of 1,817 tonnes of emissions was contributed during this fast by Rudd and his junket takers. Rudd has created a… Read more »
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Sparky_XII says:
“Radical Chick says: I miss John Howard.” Don’t be sad, he’s still around. Just now he’s a stench outside of the lodge. Read more »
IF YOUR job involves one of Australia’s major export industries such as mining or manufacturing, then you probably return home to your family content in the knowledge you are being well paid for a hard day’s work.
You help build the profits that keep the shareholders happy and you are making a valuable contribution to your nation’s economy.
But what if you came home from a hot day at the coal face, the aluminium or steel smelter, to kids accusing you of killing off the planet? That would never happen, right?
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gisfug says:
Think. If we act on climate change and it doesn’t exist, what happens. We lose a lot of money. Oh no. Now try reversing that. Read more »
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Mikko says:
And Miranda Devine thinks Avatar is a left wing plot to brain wash kids? Compared with this Copenhagen climate change propaganda, Miranda it’s just an escapist science fiction movie with no more sinister plot than Harry Potter or Star Wars. But much better as the paying customers are demonstrating. Read more »
Developments in computer hacking, Australian politics, and an acrimonious meeting in Denmark have produced the unlikely result that climate change is now almost as hot a conversation topic as Tiger Woods’s sex life.
With our ready-reckoner guide to global warming barneys, you too can have a circular argument in which all facts are disputable and no insult is too cutting when climate change comes up in the pub, at a barbecue or during tea and biscuits at your next Liberal Party branch meeting.
And best of all, there are no losers because by the time the arguments are proved or disproved either way we’ll all be dead.
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Mikko says:
Hey Einstein, why don’t you teach Kevin Rudd and Penny Wong how to tax water vapour. You know everything is realtive and water vapour is by far more prevalent in the atmosphere than CO2 and is more likely to have a greenhouse effect. So every time a river, lake, the… Read more »
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Peanut Hunter says:
Must be nice to have the introspective moral high ground? Or sorry.. is that the boring middle ground position where the majority of ‘us’ pond scum seem to be herded by Team A, Team B and Team Journo? Read more »
Just hours ago printers started running wild in Copenhagen with the leaking of tightly held negotiating text that rich countries have been writing. In summary: it’s bad news for the climate – but the good news is it’s far from locked in. There is no mention of the 25-40% reductions that scientists say are required, and nothing is legally binding.

For some time now a small group of rich nations, known as the ‘commitment circle’ have been meeting in secret to develop their version of what the Copenhagen Agreement should look like.
The text is designed to be a basis for the high level negotiations that begin next week, and is seen by developing nations as an attempt by rich nations to bully them into signing a weak deal that calls for sacrifices from the poor while locking in higher emission rights for countries that contributed most to creating the problem of climate change.
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James says:
There is plenty more, don’t miss out. Cha Ching$$$$$$$$$$ Read more »
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D'oh says:
@ James, good advice! Damn, Al Gore beat me to the beach side property!! Read more »
The second day of the UN Climate Conference is wrapping up on a dynamic and explosive note. A few hours ago the Guardian revealed a leaked the “Danish text” a secret alternative text thought to be created by the Danes, Americans and British.
The text provoked a furious reaction from many nations due to its significant departure from the principles of the Kyoto Protocol and potential to undermine the existing UN process. In particular, concern has centred on the omission of the principle that wealthy countries, who have benefited from emitting, must compensate poorer countries who have contributed the least to the problem but stand to be dramatically effected.
After the leak surfaced there was a spontaneous and powerful protest in the corridors of the United Nations by African youth and civil society delegates.
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Knightyme says:
It gets better. I recently watched a documentary about world population, and part of it dealt with food. If what was presented was true, richer countries are buying parts of Africa, to grow food, with the backing of the resources they can irrigate and grow crops. Once a crop is… Read more »
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Wayne Hutchins says:
Good links Eric but I think we are wasting our time. Blind sheep can’t read…or don’t want to! Read more »
IF climate change really represents a threat to our civilisation comparable to the Nazis than it is time for us to stop backing off in half-hearted surrender and instead tell Mother Nature to shove it.

Recently in arguing against the “disaster track” of a Copenhagen UN compromise agreement on reducing emissions, NASA scientist James Hansen - in many ways the granddaddy of climate change theory - said global warming should be treated like an evil enemy.
“This is analogous to the issue of slavery faced by Abraham Lincoln or the issue of Nazism faced by Winston Churchill,” Hansen said. How did Winston Churchill and more broadly the Allied powers defeat the Nazis and their Axis partners?
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James says:
Jeremy C Browne says:08:24am | 10/12/09 Why won’t Penny Wong admit that global warming has stopped? Abbott asserted that yesterday but Wong had no opinion on that statement. Is he right or wrong Penny? Because it hasn’t you nonce, look at the latest data Read more »
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Jeremy C Browne says:
Why won’t Penny Wong admit that global warming has stopped? Abbott asserted that yesterday but Wong had no opinion on that statement. Is he right or wrong Penny? Read more »
I arrived in Copenhagen, usually a pretty, peaceful Danish city on Thursday. As the Copenhagen Climate Conference has approached – starting tomorrow morning – a tension has been building in the air. It feels like the calm before a storm, when the wind begins to whip up and you can just feel something coming in the air. Walking around the city there are accents from across the world, posters displaying climate change events, protests and technologies, and groups of people closely discussing and speculating.

Over the weekend I have been participating in the 3rd Annual Conference of Youth attended by approximately 1000 youth from over 150 countries.
The youth movement has been growing exponentially over the last few years – in Australia the Australian Youth Climate Coalition has grown ten fold from 5000 to 50,000 in one year – and this is beginning to represented at the United Nations with a large youth presence at these negotiations.
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Andrew says:
Vanessa: you are dead right. Overpolulation is the real prblem. We should be able to rationally debate global warming etc, in fact we should be able to debate anything. The problem is that there areloud groups ofpeple that grab the headlies and howl down anyoe that doesn’t agree with them. … Read more »
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James says:
Keep it up, Amanda! Forget the peanut gallery in the comments; you guys are in the thick of it and have more important stuff to focus on :D Read more »

Editor’s note: Malcolm Turnbull has a huge fight on his hands this Sunday when the Coalition has an extraordinary party room meeting to decide whether to negotiate with the Rudd Government on the Emissions Trading Scheme. Kevin Andrews is one of many Liberals who, contrary to Mr Turnbull, think the Bill should at least be delayed until after Copenhagen.
Let me pose a simple question about the ETS. By how much will the price of a litre of milk and a loaf of bread increase once the ETS is introduced?
And let me give you the simple answer: No-one knows! But increase in price they will, because Mr Rudd’s ETS is a tax on everything.
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JuneHahn says:
Set your own life time more simple get the mortgage loans and everything you require. Read more »
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Fabian says:
So lets see. Howard puts in a GST at 10% and that somehow (according to Mr Andrew’s party) doesn’t have any impact on the price of things, but Rudd putting in something that is equivalent to a quarter of that is somehow going to significantly increase the price of everything.… Read more »
Over the years many have proclaimed the Kyoto Protocol “dead” and once again media reports are starting to suggest the imminent demise of this international climate change treaty and a new Australian compromise.

Clearly the protocol is not yet dead as its binding pollution reduction targets for most industrialised countries remain in force until the end of 2012. However as negotiations have intensified in the lead up to the Copenhagen climate summit in December, the treaty’s future has become increasingly uncertain.
Behind the headlines about targets, technology transfers and finance for developing countries, a profound discussion on the “legal form” of the new agreement is occurring. This dominated recent talks held in Washington D.C. attended by Climate Change Minister Penny Wong.
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thatmosis says:
The latest on Climate Change and an omen of whats to come , hopefully. Senator Barnaby Joyce Leader of the Nationals in the Senate Bangkok Climate Change Talks Fail – Precursor to failure in Copenhagen Queensland Nationals Senator Barnaby Joyce believes the failure to arrive at a climate change consensus… Read more »
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MudCrab says:
stephen asked - “how come everyone I know is buying a diesel car ?” 320Nm of torque and 6.6L/100 highway. More power for cheaper fuel I use less of. I didn’t buy one cause it’s ‘green’, I bought one cause it’s MUSCLE Read more »
The scene: White House situation room - a pre-Copenhagen briefing

The agenda: the ice caps are melting, China and India don’t seem to care, oh, and at 12.18am AEST the bells on Sydney Town Hall will ring. Things are getting serious.
You’ve got to love local councils. In the spirit of that rash of “Nuclear-free zone” signs that went up in LGAs all over Australia in the 1980’s, Sydney Lord Mayor Clover Moore this morning said the bells above her office would be sounded as part of an effort to remind world leaders of the importance of reaching a deal on climate change at the up-coming Copenhagen summit.
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Front Row says:
Hey PC - How much carbon will all the local councillors put into the atmosphere jetting off to their little green networking side-show? Why not have a carbon-neutral conference call from home? I’m sure you can sense the hypocrisy. Do you really support struggling local ratepayers being forced to pick… Read more »
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regina says:
gawd, local councils are so useless. another layer of government we could do without. next we’ll have nathan rees officiating at the planting of a tree in centennial park. oh and i hate to be tabloid and all but ... is it just me or maybe the angle of the… Read more »
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I'm one of the older ones, so I've certainly seen a few changes in my time. When I started school I learned to write with a nib pen, dipped in an inkwell (no, I'm not kidding). My mother became a dab hand at getting inkstains out of my clothes. Flicking ink at one another in the classroom was an essential… [read more]From: I’d rather have a piece of toast than listen to crap lyrics
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