Churches

What’s the big deal people? Churches, religions and their various offshoots want the freedom to discriminate. That’s fair enough I reckon. Let them discriminate.

No chicks allowed!

Let them say no to gays and lesbians. Let them say no to divorcees, adulterers, single parents and gluttons. It’s their right as religious organisations to only hire people destined for the glory of heaven, or paradise, or whatever eternal reward they’re spruiking.

And the rest of us sinners, who are quite clearly going to hell, or whatever eternal punishment they’re scaring believers with, should just shut up and let them get on with it. Here’s the thing, religion is based on discrimination.

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  • iansand says:

    06:14pm | 18/01/13

    Of course religions should be able to discriminate.  If that reveals them to be backward, fearful medievalists with whom no sensible person would want to associate, so be it.  They’ve made their bed. Read more »

  • Servaas says:

    05:46pm | 18/01/13

    It’s funny though that the ‘camp fire story people’ seem to own the place and provide jobs that the self-proclaimed elightened intellectuals so badly want? If they’re so very advanced why don’t they start their own thriving businesses and employ other very utterly intelligent ‘skeptics’ to take over the market… Read more »

 

Prime Minister Julia Gillard has announced the appointment of six royal commissioners and the terms of reference for the inquiry into child sex abuse. See all the details here. Below, Cathy Kezelman gives us her analysis.

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“Child sexual abuse is an evil crime. Anyone who has ever suffered child abuse deserves to have their voices heard and their claims investigated.

“The Royal Commission will inquire into how institutions with a responsibility for children have managed and responded to allegations and instances of child sexual abuse and related matters.” These were the words of the Prime Minister, Julia Gillard, on announcing the terms of reference for a national Royal Commission into institutional responses into allegations of child sexual abuse today.

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  • Giannac says:

    04:39pm | 11/01/13

    AdamC Good comment. Read more »

  • Paul M says:

    04:28pm | 11/01/13

    A fine idea. Are they going to go after female schoolteachers? Read more »

 

“If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.” (Leviticus 20:13).

How DOES he find the time? Pic: Sturt Krygsman

The Koran includes similar lines. Flog ‘em, stone ‘em, kill ‘em. 

If you took their words as gospel, the Abrahamic faiths’ position on homosexuality is fairly clear. And in some places, some people do still take them literally.

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  • Joan Bennett says:

    01:12pm | 28/06/12

    Marriage was originally invented to hand over ownership of women from their fathers to their husbands.  That’s why women took their husbands name on marriage, traditionally. Even if things are different nowadays, I can’t believe anyone, gay or straight, would bother with marriage.  It’s just another unnecessary social convention like… Read more »

  • Another Chris says:

    05:21pm | 25/06/12

    Ben, what you actually did there was conveniently remove gender from your argument and switch to race. They’re two completely different things. Gender exists in all races as a precurser to ethnicity (hense why interacial babies exist…biology 101 right there.).. If you’re going to argue a point, at least call… Read more »

 

This weekend one of the country’s biggest fundraisers, the Salvation Army Red Shield Appeal, was in full swing targeting $80 million. I have been a healthy skeptic of them and other faith-based charities.

Just because our churches do good works, doesn't mean the church-backed company that makes these deserves special rules

I learned recently while doing research that little old ladies from the Salvos stay up all night manning the needle exchange on St Kilda’s infamous Grey St. When not reducing the risk of HIV infection, Flo and Dot are next door at the battered women’s shelter. There are thousands of other examples that show Christian workers doing good deeds without prejudice.

My research also took to me to Centrelink. They provide “welfare referrals” for those in crisis. I covered half of Sydney. In nearly every case, the only groups accepting those referrals were Christian. So while church-based charities may offend some people with their contribution to public policy, when it comes to what they do on the ground, it is hard to be offended. I haven’t seen too many secular groups driving the mobile soup kitchens.

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  • DanDare says:

    05:32pm | 27/05/12

    Total fail Jack. No one is talking about taxing the actual charitable work of religious organisations. Perhaps you don’t realise that religious institutions are given tax exemptions as of right without it having to show that the income is being used for charity? That means they can buy and sell… Read more »

 

Every time you pay tax or rates you are subsidising other people’s religion. These include mainstream religions, and cult-like groups opposed to the values of normal Australian life.

In a church cellar somewhere near you… Pic: AFP

Put simply, less than 20 per cent of Australians are seriously religious and the rest of us subsidise their religious organisations. There are a lot of wonderful people who do good work in the name of their particular belief, but do we need taxpayer-funded bureaucracies for them to be effective?

Australia is one of the few nations that make all investment earnings by religious bodies tax free, regardless of whether these are spent on charitable activities. And all the property they own is free of rates and land tax.  If they sell these assets for a profit they pay no capital gains tax. And often these are properties that were gifted to them many years ago by government.

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  • crystalsinger says:

    05:17pm | 26/04/12

    @bev: Yeah, see, the second you start throwing around ‘feminists’ as if it’s a curse word, you instantly lose all credibility. Read more »

  • Wayne says:

    07:52am | 04/11/11

    You obviously don’t know your cousin very well. LDS Bishops serve in a completely lay capacity - ie they are not paid for being a Bishop, it is voluntary work. They have regular jobs just like everyone one else. Read more »

 

Go on , be a good Christian, sign the petition to stop parental choice about ethics classes for kids in public schools.

Cartoon by Lindsay Foyle.

That’s the message of Christian and Catholic lobbyists in NSW at the moment (I separate the two because I wouldn’t want to offend all those evangelical Christians in Sydney who don’t believe Catholics are real Christians).

Just last Sunday a family member asked what the story was about ethics in schools because an announcement had been made in the morning service about signing the petition.

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  • Casey1954 says:

    09:00pm | 10/08/11

    I think we should give this ho-hum debate a good Christian burial!! Read more »

  • Joffre Balce says:

    05:40pm | 05/07/10

    The proposed course title, I believe is “Towards an Ethics-based Complement to Scripture in NSW Primary Schools”. Why not be fair dinkum about it & call it “Towards a Ethics-Based ‘Antithesis/Alternative/Challenge ’ to Scripture in NSW Schools”? Say it as it is. It’s like selling a car lubricant when it… Read more »

 

The Wayside Chapel in Sydney’s King Cross has always been something of an “edgy” place.

Melissa Miles and friends meet Santa during annual the annual Christmas street party for the homeless at the Wayside Chapel in Kings Cross.

In the 1960s when Australia was very different, The Wayside Chapel was about the only place in Australia where a Protestant could easily marry a Catholic, Hindu or Atheist without much fuss or where you could get a cup of coffee at 3am.

It was a place you could wait for some poet to walk in the door and address a ready crowd with some words that reached beyond the confines of a high structured, fairly unimaginative world; and you never had to wait for long.

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  • P57 Hoodia Slimming Soft Gel says:

    12:37pm | 16/11/12

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  • Luke says:

    12:01pm | 20/05/10

    I’ll have to visit the joint and give alittle donation… its not much, but my donations… and the publics… are what keep churches running… Read more »

 

Writing on The Punch yesterday David Gazard bemoaned the left-winged over-righteousness of some parts of the Christian church, who get all hot under the collar about political stuff rather than sticking to the spiritual. This is, I suppose, a change from the attacks on the right-winged over-righteousness of the other parts of the Christian church.

Of course, problems emerge when God and the Church are captured by just one side of politics. The Church may be vulnerable to such temptations in the wildernesses of power, but any God worth his name surely isn’t. It’s a lesson the followers are still learning.

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  • simon says:

    11:04am | 01/03/12

    Science is some people’s true religion (unfortunately) Read more »

  • Kevin says:

    04:52pm | 30/01/10

    Phil you make me laugh with your so simple view of life, your the exact example the article relates to Dawkins being theologically sound. Your ‘superior’ attitude that you display indicates a complete bias and non understanding of anything outside your own little bubble. And yet you are evolving???? Interesting… Read more »

 

I keep waiting for the traditional church to launch its campaign against the government’s treatment of boat people.

Perhaps Stern Hu needs a rocket launcher to get the churches' attention

After all, boats carrying asylum seekers keep entering Australian waters in greater numbers, there are allegations that boats are left to drift and, worst of all, some have perished along the way.

I glance skyward in Melbourne, looking for the immense banner hanging from the spire St Paul’s Cathedral, like there was a few years ago. Instead of “Justice for David Hicks”, it will read “Justice for SIEV 624”.

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  • icons designs says:

    01:25pm | 05/10/12

    It is a pity, that now I can not express - I hurry up on job. I will return - I will necessarily express the opinion. Read more »

  • Evelyn says:

    01:59pm | 02/06/12

    I have been looking into the mifdineld that is church worship and the relation of copyright on songs.  At present it is clear that many churches are failing in the copyright laws that govern performancers and writers of music/songs.  I am at present puting together a youth chorus book (just… Read more »

 

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