Afghanistan
In yet another attack by a ‘rogue’ Afghan soldier, four French troops were shot dead last week.

Proponents of the current post-modern war fighting doctrine continue to believe we can make people love us. Counterinsurgency has been a convenient doctrine swallowed by Western leaders as a politically correct way to fight a war. But it is built on the well-meaning principle of “hearts and minds” when it is nothing more than an unhealthy blend of social engineering and pork-barrel politics.
The fact is in Afghanistan they love you until the money stops and even then, as the latest incidents show, nothing will bridge the cultural divide.
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What happened
Our biggest wartime horror in a long time. Three diggers and their Afghan interpreter were killed and seven other Aussie troops wounded when an Afghan army ally turned his weapon on them.

This was not the first time that an Afghan colleague attacked Australian soldiers this year and nor was it the last. Lance Corporal Andrew Jones was killed by an Afghan soldier as he came out of his base accommodation in May. And just last month three diggers and two Afghans were wounded when an Afghan soldier opened fire from a guard tower with an automatic weapon and grenade launcher.
What happened next
A serious erosion of trust between Australian troops and their Afghan allies.
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Sumit says:
Remember the Cops? Huh? Oh, you mean cops like the Pima County SWAT team who mrduered former Marine Jose Guerena, You and your Cop buddies act like entitled spoiled brats and regularly murder Veterans; if not you target us. Sorry, but my local Sheriff deliberately targets any military stickered vehicles… Read more »
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Mum says:
Our soldiers haven’ t invaded any country Leto - this is a UN mandated mission. We’re there for the national security of both our country and theirs. If you think it’s right to stand by while women and children are raped and murdered just because we’re lucky enough to live… Read more »
It’s Remembrance Day. And this year, we have more to remember than ever.
Ashley Birt, 22. Bryce Duffy, 26. Luke Gavin, 29. Rowan Robinson, 23. Todd Langley, 35. They’re all diggers killed in Afghanistan, and that’s just since June.
While we’re remembering them though, we need to jog our memories a little further. Because over the course of this Very Long War in Afghanistan, there’s a lot that we’ve forgotten.
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Mildret says:
Wonderful post, well setatd. As a former state trooper, who was working for a federal police agency in DC on 9/11 and saw the Pentagon burning, and waited to hear on our officers who entered the Twin Towers to help save people, and who NOW works for the Marine Corps–I… Read more »
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Cameron says:
Well said Marley. Well, we certainly cant police the whole world, its way to big. Let the Arab Nations deal with themselves. We should withdraw and fortify our own interests, our soldiers deserve better then be shot in the back by rogue afghan troops, and such…Let them die for Australia,… Read more »
The recent string of casualties inflicted on Australian trainers by their Afghan students is part of the ongoing tragedy of war. It is also not making the job of selling the Afghan War to the Australian population any easier.

A recent Roy Morgan poll says that 72 per cent of Australians want to withdraw the troops. That’s good because we are, of course, going to withdraw and our casualties must be seen in that context. The withdrawal date is already set as 2014 and barring some strategic change, our combat troops will leave.
The Prime Minister has announced that there will be an ongoing training commitment to Afghanistan, but the detail is unclear. Of course, if there were no consequences for the withdrawal of our troops, they would have been withdrawn long ago.
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acotrel - I like your values. Read more »
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marley says:
@subotic - sigh. No, perhaps you don’t discriminate. If you can’t tell the difference between the Middle East (where there are plenty of Arabs but no Afghans) and Central Asia (where Afghanistan is located) I suspect the fine art of distinguishing between people who have completely different histories, ethnicities and… Read more »
The latest shooting of three Australian and two Afghan soldiers by a disgruntled Afghan comrade will intensify calls for our 1550 troops to be withdrawn immediately.

Details of the incident are sketchy, but given that the shooter escaped in a vehicle it is safe to assume that he was not a jihadist fanatic on a one-way suicide mission.
That was certainly not the case 10 days ago when an Afghan called Darwish opened fire at close range at Forward Operating Base Pacemaker in northern Kandahar Province killing Captain Bryce Duffy, 26, Corporal Ashley Birt, 22, and Lance Corporal Luke Gavin, 27.
Darwish had shaved and cleansed his body and dressed in white clothing to prepare for his journey into the next life following his murderous mission.
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Refer “Selous Scouts”. Read more »
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LJ Dots says:
@Wynston Cruso, thank you for providing my first lol of the day. I really needed it. Read more »
Writer, comedian and Can of Worms reporter Dan Ilic visited Aussie diggers in Afghanistan last month to perform a series of comedy shows. He writes about his time in Tarin Kowt in this second part of a two-part report. Read the first part here.
The next stop on the trip was the Australian stronghold of Tarin Kowt.

We flew there on an Australian Chinook, a large transport helicopter that can fit about 40 soldiers and gear. This was an amazing journey. Flying tactically, we buzzed across the Afghan terrain only about a hundred metres off the ground, hugging the valleys and mountains for cover.
In the back of my head I knew that only a few weeks before an American Chinook got shot down carrying 30 Special Forces troops. But somehow this was suppressed by the sheer excitement of being in a big loud flying machine.
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St. Michael says:
You seem to have missed this little thing called “propaganda” while you were over there. The genetic problems, for example. Napalm does not cause genetic problems. It’s similar to petroleum jelly that’s set on fire, which is what makes it stick to people and burn. There’s no genetic conditions caused… Read more »
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youdy beaudy says:
In Saigon they have a museum. The Vietnamese call it something like, ” the museum of american atrocities”, from what i can recall having been there and seen it. I saw people crying there, western people from all over the world while looking at the photos of the carnage caused… Read more »
Writer, comedian and Can of Worms reporter Dan Ilic visited Aussie diggers in Afghanistan last month to perform a series of comedy shows. Today, he writes about what he saw and experienced, in the first of a two-part report.
Here are some tips for comedians. Never try out new jokes to a hostile crowd. If you do, keep it short.
Whatever you do, don’t go out to an unfamiliar audience and give them 15 minutes of new material you wrote just for them until you’ve actually learnt all the jokes. I did this recently on stage in front of a crowd of about 50.
I could tell the gig was going to be dull. It’s called Funny Shui: the audience all self-consciously sit as far away as possible from the stage. I couldn’t even make eye contact with this group. Showtime.
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Paul says:
Actually there is a “KFC” in Kabul, its just not owned by the Colonel, and its in Kabul, not ISAF headquarters, so you military types would never have seen it. Read more »
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stephen says:
He’s funny enough if you are sweating at 3am and the 5am rise means you have to put on 35 kgs of backpack, and then walk and fight. It’s hard enough - agreed - but we should be sending 50,000 there, not 15. Either we fight properly, (I mean, do… Read more »
Three more Australians are dead, and seven injured, in Afghanistan. It’s even more tragic because it appears the killer was an Afghan soldier, a colleague. Follow the news at news.com.au. Nathan Mullins spent time with the Australian Special Forces in Oruzgan, and this is his perspective on the many questions that beset Australia about our role in Afghanistan.
What are ‘we’ doing in Afghanistan? People ask me whether we can win the war. That’s not the important question. The question is whether we should be trying to ‘win’ in the first place. But before that the question is: who’s ‘we’? We the Coalition, we the Australian Army, we Australians, or indeed, we the western world? It’s a long way from Melbourne to Afghanistan, both geographically and figuratively, but when I had the chance to fight in the hills and valleys of Uruzgan with the Australian Special Forces, I did it. I needed to know if ‘we’ should be there.
When I decided to go I thought I represented the Australian Army. While I was there I realized that the people of Afghanistan feel isolated from the rest of the world. They didn’t see me as an Australian soldier, or an Australian really, they saw me as a citizen of a world that was so foreign to them as to barely exist.
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Paul says:
@ Jarrah: lmfao, darwinism will sort you out, ha ha ha ha ha. Read more »
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Jarrah says:
Careful wolfie, someone might accuse you of being my alter ego… Read more »
In her excoriating review of David Hicks’ memoir My Journey, ABC reporter and author Leigh Sales begins with the following assessment of the blame-shifting psychology of the former Taliban recruit:

“A sentence near the end of this controversial book encapsulates David Hicks’s attitude to his stay at Guantanamo Bay on terrorism-related charges:‘Any and all inconvenience . . . was brought about due to my incarceration and treatment and that was at the hands of others.’
“In other words, Hicks eschews personal responsibility. Guantanamo: My Journey is a flawed memoir, chiefly because of an astonishing lack of self-reflection.”
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Dolores Neilley says:
Hicks has not been convicted by any court, he has just been trialled by shonky “MEDIA”. If I have to be honest, between the Taliban and the Liberal Party under wild Abbott there is not such a big difference….If you need a new candidate, corrupt enough to be the leader… Read more »
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Helen says:
David Hicks was with Muslim troops in the breakup of Eastern Europe, but has his first role of jihadist been forgotten. He was even dimwitted enough to send photos to his mates in Australia. Afghanistan was his second military posting, this time with Al-Qaeda. Once isstupidity, twice is serious commitment… Read more »
Yesterday, News Ltd national defence writer Ian McPhedran argued that it’s our moral duty to stay the course in Afghanistan, both to honour fallen diggers and for the sake of the mission itself. Many ordinary people took exception, arguing the best way to honour the fallen is to withdraw from the whole exercise.
In any war in which Australia is involved, mainstream public figures rarely question our commitment to the conflict. To do so is seen as the equivalent of saying the fallen died for nothing.
Ordinary people know better. In war, as in life, the ground shifts. The perfectly valid reason you got involved several years back may no longer hold up today. Funny thing is, war movies have long echoed this theme. Maybe it’s time our leaders took a trip to the video store…
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LBC says:
The current situation is like a bad film script and unfortunately, the world is not safer after the loss of so many lives. To get a clear insight into what is actually happening, have a look at Brown University’s comprehensive research: http://costsofwar.org/ It makes you wonder when will we stop… Read more »
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St. Michael says:
“To contrary my friend, your talking to a reservist with friends who have been voluntarily deployed to every theater the Australian military has fought in over the last decade. Do you really believe that soldiers aren’t selfless?” My mistake, when you referred to warriors I didn’t realise you omitted the… Read more »
As another Australian family endures the soul-destroying grief of the loss of a young son in Afghanistan - the fourth in a week - the debate about the nation’s role in the campaign has shifted into fraught territory.

Some surveys show that the majority of Australians want the troops to be brought home immediately. Our political leaders say we must hold our nerve and harden our resolve for more losses in the weeks ahead.
Given that only two of the four latest casualties, Sgt Brett Wood and special-forces combat engineer Rowan Jaie Robinson, were killed in action fighting the Taliban the bipartisan position is the right one for a host of reasons.
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And I thought I was the sensible one. Thanks for settnig me straight. Read more »
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Dan says:
Well said,. Read more »
Australian Soldiers are the strongest tribe in Uruzgan Province and it is this profile that wins hearts and minds in Afghanistan, not well-meaning gestures of handing out bags of money.

It is that strategic change over the last 18 months that is now paying off in Uruzgan. Afghans respond to what some may call traditional characteristics of bravery, courage, honour and revenge. They are also very polite, even though tomorrow they may kill you. If you could bring back Alexander the Great, he would say we are fighting the same people, using the same tactics they used against him 2,000 years ago.
Despite what Australia’s David Kilcullen, the architect of this new pop military version of counterinsurgency (COIN), will have you believe, this is not about a kindler gentler war. There has been a grave misrepresentation of COIN. In fact, unlike author of The Strongest Tribe former Marine Commander Bing West, who has spent endless nights bunkered down under fire with troops, I doubt whether Kilcullen would have been to very far off Route One.
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Racheal says:
How can Canada help them with decacromy when we are losing it so fast here at home over the last five to six years under HarperLand?The US contractors who “won” (paid the biggest bribes) the contrats to re-build the schools take their cut and hire another contractor who does the… Read more »
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Cab says:
I too had the sad experience of working with Jason. you are being to nice in your comments. Beware fo the self professing person who has tried to reinvent himself at the expence of others. I hope he is not working with anyone in a danger zone. Beware of this… Read more »
The deaths of another two Australian diggers in Afghanistan will not weaken the Government’s resolve to stay the course, Prime Minister Julia Gillard has vowed.

But the particular nature of one of those deaths - a violent betrayal which saw 25-year-old Lance Corporal Andrew Jones shot dead by a supposedly friendly Afghan National Army soldier who had been trained by Australia - has sent shockwaves through the defence forces.
Trust between the two militaries has been severely shaken.
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acotrel says:
I suggest it’s important for the west to win the propaganda war. The Taliban rhetoric must be prevented from becoming infectious. The way we treat islamics here could be important to the final outcome. We should never provide justification for the ‘crusader’ slur, which seems popular in the middle east.… Read more »
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darren says:
In 1996 we lost 18 good SAS men in a single helicopter training accident. We have lost many many more soldiers in training accidents and accidents in general over the years. Casualties in any war are terrible, but thats part of the job. This fight will make a difference to… Read more »
Osama bin Laden isn’t dead. For all we know he’s lying low in Vegas, possibly with Elvis, or living at Ronald Biggs’ old place in Rio.

Even if they produced images of bin Laden’s body, there is every chance the photographs could have been doctored.
And even if they produced the body itself, there’s no way of being 100 per cent sure that it’s actually his corpse anyway.
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I had got a dream to start my business, but I didn’t have enough amount of money to do it. Thank heaven my mate recommended to use the credit loans. Hence I received the collateral loan and made real my dream. Read more »
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Sad Sad Reality says:
To be fair to the US, Kika, there are so many Islamic nutters it can be hard to keep tabs on them all. Especially since, as you highlighted previously, Wahhabist Islam is responsible for creating so many terrorists. You know, the dominant form of Islam in Saudi Arabia, a country… Read more »
The death of Osama Bin Laden will make no difference to global terrorism inspired by Islamic fundamentalism, and it will have scant impact on the war in Afghanistan.

But the way that the US killed Osama Bin Laden needs recognition; it was the sort of precise, human intelligence-driven operation that must be employed ruthlessly in Afghanistan to capture or kill insurgent leaders as we enter another fighting season.
Al-Qaida has not been about Osama bin Laden for quite some time and the Taliban in Afghanistan have not received support from al-Qaida or Osama Bin Laden since the end of initial operations in 2001. The global Islamic terrorist movement is now a leaderless jihad and is more likely to come from a young IT whiz-kid in his bedroom in one of our leafy suburbs than from an old man hiding in the mountains of the AfPak border.
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Gaby says:
The secret is out for all the questions about Muslims, Direct from the horse’s mouth Google (Bedroom Terrorists) and you know what I mean Read more »
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Wolf says:
@Walter Kurtz Jr You wrote… “...It is worth mentioning that their drugs get out through nodes under the control of Karzai. And Karzai, according to recent months’ media reports (derived from Wikileaks), is a C.I.A. asset - i.e. on Western payroll.” Does this mean that its anothr Air america? Read more »
“We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm.”
“Ragheads’‘, “dune coons’‘, “sand niggaz’’ and “smelly locals’‘. Last night we were exposed to ADF soldiers with experience in Afghanistan acting in prejudicial, discriminatory, racist ways. That is what we call it in the civilian world.
A group of soldiers, some who have served overseas in contemporary conflicts, and apparently some who are serving, have allegedly posted their discontent on the social networking site Facebook. They have expressed their disdain, their hatred of the Afghanis, their racist and pejorative perspective of those they are charged to ‘liberate’ and their insubordination to their boss, Lieutenant General Gillespie.
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deedeewhy says:
Yes, the Japanese did all that but they certainly paid for it by being bombed the shit out of by the americans during wii, literally killing thousands of women, old men and children, so they have paid their dues tenfold, haven’t they been punished enough without you lot slagging off… Read more »
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Scooter says:
You are on the money, Real Dave. I can’t stand it when the amoral media take the high moral ground on any issue. I don’t believe the soldiers’ language is appropriate for public consumption, but it wasn’t public - UNTIL the media make it front page news. Very few people… Read more »
The stomach clenches with a cold nausea. The lip curls in disgust. It’s the same visceral reaction I had to pictures like the one below that emerged from Abu Ghraib; the images that made the idea of winning hearts and minds in Iraq a cruel joke.

Now, Der Spiegel has published three pictures of US soldiers, posing with the bodies of civilians they allegedly killed. One grins. The German news magazine says it has thousands more ‘trophy shots’.
The soldiers are described as ‘rogue’ – as opposed to ‘sanctioned’. But of course this is just another one-off atrocity. Isn’t it? Just Americans, right?
Not right. Not one off.
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brendan says:
tory, while i have no issues with anyone expressing their point of view as you have made with this article, and many others have made in comments ive just noticed reading through that their are alot off disillusions about the army, i am thinking that mayby for your next piece… Read more »
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Averill says:
What on earth do we expect of out soldiers? We send them out to bomb and kill ‘the enemy’ and expect them to say nice things about them? Grow up you lot. If you don’t like it YOU go out there and see how you fare. I am damn sure… Read more »
From working with U.S forces in Afghanistan, many Commanders observed how Afghanistan had become a politically correct war.

Ralph Peters hit the nail on the head in his 2006 New York Post article when he observed that it is hard enough to bear the timidity of our civilian leaders - anxious to start wars but without the guts to finish them - but now military leaders have fallen prey to political correctness.
Unwilling to accept that war is, by its nature, a savage act and that defeat is immoral, influential officers are arguing for a kinder, gentler approach to our enemies.
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Bloggs says:
Dark Horse is actually completely correct. We have more than one front in the radical Islam wars. The home front is ignored by politicians and apologists alike. This will be our undoing. Read more »
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Bloggs says:
@ Rufus. Nice sentiment, but you are a dreamer. The Afghan people cannot determine their own future. If left alone the Taliban will immediately take over and kill everyone who was not in agreement with their extreme rligious policies, including all those people now working towards a stable and free… Read more »
Jamie Larcombe is the fifth Australian Army combat engineer to be killed in action in Afghanistan. He is also the first to be shot during a firefight rather than blown up by an insurgent’s improvised explosive device (IED).

The engineers are a tight-knit and dedicated group of soldiers who bring a raft of skills and a great deal of courage to the fight against the Taliban. The Darwin based 1st Combat Engineer Regiment has now lost two of its best within a fortnight following the death of Corporal Richard Atkinson at the hands of an enemy bomb maker.
In addition to the five KIA they have also suffered much higher rates of injury as they take the lead role whenever a patrol leaves the security of an operating base.
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Ruth Thurts says:
YES it is even more HORRIBLY unfair to families of Defence Members killed in the name of Australia. There is a small group of defence families this is extremely difficult for, those families of members recruited from Overseas Defence Forces. The ADF made sure that legislation allows them to deploy… Read more »
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Current Serving says:
@’‘What is this “Something”? - You are directing your anger and moral objections at the wrong source, and to be honest its fairly outrageous that you are even insinuating that our fallen soldiers have as much right to be mourned as the fallen Taliban. As for the question posed by… Read more »
Tony Abbott’s suggestion of cutting aid to Indonesia to fund Queensland flood reconstruction was met with immediate fury from aid experts, who declared the decision morally bankrupt.

Yet Mr Abbott’s announcement has raised an important issue that should not simply be brushed under the carpet: the need for aid effectiveness.
When he announced the proposed cut, Mr Abbott said funding would be “deferred” subject to a full review of the effectiveness of the program.
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Rebecca says:
should read “why AREN’T we supporting them…” Read more »
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persephone says:
Hamlyn the shortage of doctors has nothing to do with Youth Allowance. Places for medical students were limited under the Howard government, as the result of lobbying by doctors who wanted to lessen competition so that they could make more money (mind you, they wanted to achieve this without them… Read more »
One of the terrific luxuries of life in the democratic west is that we are free to write and say pretty much anything we like about our elected representatives.
In the space of one day this week, we saw a powerful demonstration of how blasé and indulgent some of us can be in exercising that freedom.
In Egypt, thousands of people have taken to the streets to demand the removal of a politician who for 18 years has resisted any shift towards democracy, and is still refusing to stand aside.
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Ryan says:
@Seano: yes Seano, clearly I am the one who has misquoted George Orwell, at least I am the one that knows where the quote comes from and the fact that George Orwell didn’t just author one book 1984. Perhaps you should read “Animal Farm” it has an uncanny resemblance to… Read more »
Senior Liberals rallied around embattled Opposition Leader Tony Abbott yesterday in the wake of the ``shit-gate’’ controversy, ensuring his position remains safe. For now.
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But the incident - or rather the two incidents, his initial comment and his botched explanation of it - have done nothing good for his hopes of becoming the first Liberal since Robert Menzies, to lead his party to an election, after losing the previous one.
Importantly, it was a pair of his more ambitious senior frontbenchers, rivals, Joe Hockey and Andrew Robb who led his public defence. The former is shadow treasurer, the latter wants his job
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Michael with respect,that is your take on the matter,I differ, first, the (objective) I repeat objective, of the Channel7 report was to inquire as to the (meaning) of Abbott’s response to the American officer,I sincerely believe it was not his(Abbott’s) intention to denigrate the tragic death of the brave young… Read more »
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Aasq says:
For example, Steve ? Read more »
The intonation is crucial.
Australians use the phrase in two quite different ways, and the clue to whether what Mr Abbott said in Afghanistan was disrespectful or not lies in the modulation of his voice.
Did he say ‘shit happens’, meaning ‘get over it, suck it up, spilt milk’? Or did he say ‘shit happens’, meaning ‘nothing could have been done, it was fate, or God’s will.’
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John, You are utterly full of it. You have absolutely no idea and think you can force the rest of Australia to think you are right because you are loud about it. MR Abbot has said nothing wrong and trying to imply that he couldn’t care less about soldiers is… Read more »
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John B says:
@Jara. Tony Abbott’s “big problem with rage” ? Unlike Mark Latham breaking a taxi driver’s arm, Abbott didn’t attack Mark Riley. Unlike Mark Latham’s physical intimidation of John Howard with “that” handshake, Abbott didn’t intimidate Riley. Tony Abbott was falsely accused of the most heartless lack of sympathy for a… Read more »
Update: Tony Abbott has contacted the wife of the fallen soldier Mrs Beckie MacKinney: “It was an honour to speak with her again. I thoroughly discussed the Channel 7 report with her and don’t believe that there are any issues between us. That’s where this matter should now rest.” The Australian Defence Association has rushed to Mr Abbott’s defence, saying his comments were taken out of context.
If you missed the Seven News story this evening on Tony Abbott’s comments in Afghanistan late last year, you can read about the story here.

The fact that when discussing the death of an Australian soldier he uttered the words “shit happens” is, in of itself, something that Tony Abbott could explain away. The problem was his complete lack of explanation and the subsequent bizarre effect it had upon the viewer.
This kind of media induced self-destruction is the kind of thing Labor has always assumed would happen with the opposition leader, but, with Abbott’s new found discipline, the moment just never came. Until now.
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Mick S says:
Oh .......so close Mark Riley, you nearly made all the Labor barrackers and journo’s proud. Nice try, you might have got away with it if not for the momentus silent treatment. Too bad when the shit hit the fan, you were the one who was splattered. If 7 decide to… Read more »
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Ryan says:
@Steve Smith: a comment such as that does little to paint you in any serious light. Schoolyard arguments should remain there when we grow up, perhaps you haven’t left school yet? Read more »
Afghanistan, an uncertain world, and regional instability will make 2011 a challenging year for the Australian Defence Force.

The campaign in Afghanistan will dominate the military landscape this year as Australia and the other 44 nations involved in the International Assistance Force (ISAF) struggle to develop a workable exit strategy for the eight-year conflict.
Prime Minister Julia Gillard has flagged a further decade-long involvement for Australian troops, but such a commitment will become increasingly difficult to justify as casualties mount during the coming fighting season. Pressure will build for a complete withdrawal once the training role is complete in Oruzgan Province (about 2014) where most of the 1550 Australians are working.
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rick says:
“end of days”, “just occupy it forever” Sam you’re a ........ fill in the blank. I wonder if we were to just look after our own backyards, by this I mean our own backyard - not our neighbors land which we covet, maybe, just maybe, people wouldn’t want to kill… Read more »
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Sam says:
Sorry guys, but obviously you have no idea how dangerous the situation in Pakistan is. Radical Islam (in Pakistan) + Nuclear Weapons (in Pakistan) = The End Of Days (wherever the wind blows the nuclear fallout) I say forget bringing democracy to the Middle East, just occupy it forever. The… Read more »
It’s quite sad the questions people ask when they hear you’ve just been in Afghanistan performing comedy shows for our troops.

“Were you scared?”
“Did you get shot at?”
“Was it hot?”
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Laurens says:
On behalf of the few intelligent and aware Australians, I wish to apologise for the ignorance and Political Dealings that created the situation our Soldiers have found themselves involved in. It is a totally dishonourable situation. Voter apathy and Political Expediency have allowed this to happen. To add insult to… Read more »
News that our Diggers have rejected Kevin Rudd’s pessimistic view of the war in Afghanistan is no surprise.

A foreign minister who derides the French and German contribution to the conflict as nothing more than ‘organising folk dancing festivals’ when each nation has suffered nearly 50 casualties is insensitive and out of touch.
Like our European friends Australia’s participation in Afghanistan is part of a broader international effort that is making considerable progress.
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Jim Lamb says:
Afghanistan is a futile war.Anyone that supports it ,is supporting a disgusting imoral,corupt government.The slaughter of young soldiers that are only being sacrificed to supprt their governments total obedience to please America. America has slaughtered hundreds of thousands of inocent people,in Iraq and Afghanistan in revenge for the 9/11 attack… Read more »
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pp et al says:
the real question to be be asked in this political context is ... How and Why is Josh Frydenberg the federal member of Kooyong? we miss you Petros and you don’t know what you have got till it’s gone..your’e a legend and master glad to see you are working for… Read more »
Here’s some of what the Prime Minister Julia Gillard told the Parliament on October 19 this year (you can read her whole speech starting on page 692 here):

To ensure the new international strategy can be delivered, last December the United States committed to a military and civilian surge in Afghanistan. The elements of this surge are now reaching full strength. Once fully deployed, this will take coalition force numbers to roughly 140,000. US forces on the ground have tripled since early 2009. The total force now has the resources required to deliver a comprehensive international strategy focused on counterinsurgency and designed to deliver transition.
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iansand says:
I might, after I got a life. A quest I also recommend for you. Read more »
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Billy says:
iansand - The point is that regardless of who was there in Afghanistan, English, Scottish, Irish or Welsh Regiments it was the ‘British Army’ since the Act of Union 1707. There has not been an English Army, Scottish Army, Welsh Army, or Irish Army since the Act of Union. It… Read more »
In October 2007 two unarmed Iraqi women were shot and killed by private military contractors working for Unity Resources Group (URG), the same firm that now guards the Australian embassy in Baghdad.

Just over a year earlier, contractors from the same company shot and killed a 72 year old Australian academic for failing to stop at a checkpoint.
The Defence Department recently told a Senate committee it was aware of the incidents when it awarded URG the embassy contract, but based on third party reports from “American, Iraqi and British authorities” decided the shootings were justified.
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Crystal says:
Awesome Paul! join the Libs and run for parliament… I’m sure the Senator will mentor you, he has always been one for promoting sound and solid debate. Your arguement is a reality that cannot be denied, nor circumvented, to imagine one can impose any real or imagined restrictions in the… Read more »
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Coldsnacks says:
I agree with both Othello Cat and what the Senator is saying. The privatisation of military power is a worrying thing, from a global security standpoint, simply due to the lack of accountability afforded. Whilst a populace can, in a democracy at least, hold their government accountable for the actions… Read more »
A common saying in Afghanistan is “we’ve got the watches they’ve got the time.” A perfect metaphor to describe the Western obsession time and the Taliban’s eternal patience. That is why U.S Secretary of Defence, Robert Gates’ statement that the United States will not be leaving Afghanistan is exactly the message to send to the Taliban. If you don’t have the time don’t start a war in Afghanistan.

The simplicity of life in Afghanistan is also a camouflage for the Afghan’s ability to withstand asymmetrical threats from the climate, terrain or a foreign military. We have failed to recognise their historical capacity to adapt. Ahmed Rashid, one of the best contemporary authors on Afghanistan, suggests that the devastation of the Soviet invasion and subsequent civil war influenced the Taliban state of mind. The longer we engage the more they evolve – both politically and violently.
They know they don’t have to win the war. They just have to outlast our domestic time constraints and out-govern Karzai and his corrupt Provincial representatives.
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Ken Maynard says:
The way I hear this, I do not see where we win. It seems to me the Taliban, al-Qaeda & the Karzai government are about the same. Each are prepared to business with us on a piecemeal basis, or only when it is in their interests to do so. Each… Read more »
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Ryan says:
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I have listened with great interest to this week’s parliamentary debate about Australia’s involvement in Afghanistan, just as I have listened with great interest to this debate for the past nine years, since October 7th, 2001, when Operation Enduring Freedom was launched by the United States and its allies, including Australia, so that freedom so bravely won by the people of Afghanistan from communist oppression, and so cruelly lost over the following decade to civil war and Taliban misrule, may indeed return, and this time endure.

I have listened to this debate and heard many arguments that we should abandon our mission in Afghanistan.
Some of these arguments are passionate, others cold and rational; some seem sincere, while others callous. And all of them are wrong.
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petery says:
The debate here reminds me of the Vietnam period, and ‘like that war,in all likelihood, this war will end,(if it ever does),the same way.It could still end in negotiated truce, which would tend to make all the black and white arguments about winning and losing, or fighting to the death,… Read more »
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Katie says:
“Katie, I do actually know about Islam and what I’m saying is correct, and far from being an Islamophobe, I am more Islam-aware. “ Actually you don’t know anything about Islam, and you absolutely an Islamophobe. ” But you clearly demonstrate one of the strategies of Islam.” Islam has no… Read more »
A lot of people who questioned the need for a parliamentary debate on Australia’s military commitment in Afghanistan said we’d just end up with a whole heap of MPs agreeing we’re doing the right thing and we’re doing it the right way.

Indeed despite their stylistic differences, Julia Gillard and Tony Abbott’s speeches to open the debate were almost interchangeable in their messages and conclusions - although the Prime Minister did admit for the first time we might be there a lot longer than she’d ever fessed up to before.
But even though there is broad bi-partisan support for our mission in Afghanistan, there has been some dissenters, and also some interesting ideas thrown up during the discussion, like the proposition by Shadow Finance Minister Andrew Robb this afternoon.
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Gregg says:
@ Oh Really Dave! What if the Taliban base is the Pashtun peoples, a poorer peoples of the rather inhospitable terrain areas adjoining and the NW Pakistan wild west, the Pashtun comprising some 60%+ of Afghanis. Not that it is a military plan our guys need to put up for… Read more »
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Gregg says:
@Tazan, ” My brother is there, my son has been there and I’m hoping to go there. “ Is there a new Dad’s Army regiment being formed? Read more »
Prime Minister Julia Gillard has shown she is not the surrendering type when it comes to the ongoing war in Afghanistan. Last week she forecast Australia would have a presence in the war-torn country for at least another decade.

The definition of a presence in Afghanistan may well change over time, but it was a sobering thought for many Australians and a sign that there is no clear exit strategy in the battle to restore order in the troubled nation.
The start of a parliamentary debate over the issue last week saw Labor and the Coalition Opposition remain committed to Australia’s role in Afghanistan, while the Greens and at least one Independent crossed the battlelines and questioned the sending of troops to fight what many are calling an unwinnable war against terrorism.
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www.thepunch.com.au says:
The afghan war is a slow burn issue for gillard.. Reposted it Read more »
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iansand says:
Very hard to sink an island. You don’t need a navy to block a strait. But believe what you want. Read more »
When should Australia wage war? Has anyone asked you? Have you given it much thought or is that a job best left to the government?

Unless you’ve been living under a rock, you know that twenty one Australian men lie dead, lost on the battlefields of Afganistan. Each of them is easy to admire - young, supremely fit, highly trained, brave soldiers.
It’s pretty clear they all possessed courage and commitment to their task, their training and their mates most of us would struggle to emulate. They all have families and friends - even more tragically, a number of them have young children who will never see or know their dads.
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Sean Williams says:
The sample of 1,500 is actually more than the paltry Australian contribution to the mission. Britain has 10,000 troops in Afghanistan and has had more than 300 killed. As it was in Iraq, the Australian aim is to look as though it is involved while avoiding as exposure to actual… Read more »
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Dan says:
Deciding to go to war doesn’t make one a leader. Making the right decision to go to war, or not to go to war, makes one a leader. Read more »
With the beginning of a parliamentary debate into the war in Afghanistan this week, the more localised conflict between Julia Gillard and Tony Abbott of trips to the warzone came to a periodic truce.
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But the outbreak of the highly politicised PR war between the leaders over who was supporting the troops in Afghanistan more does bring us to an interesting question: what is the point of politicians hanging in war zones?
Earlier in the week the Greens Senator Bob Brown was asked by the 7:30 Report’s Kerry O’Brien why, as the leader of a party pushing for troop withdrawal from the war, he had not visited Afghanistan.
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Alejandra22Buchanan says:
A lot of specialists claim that personal loans aid people to live their own way, because they can feel free to buy necessary goods. Furthermore, different banks present collateral loan for young and old people. Read more »
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Daemon says:
@Ochrebunyip: My view was that he was lacking in credibility, but that was accompanied by a few other “lackings”: Lack of ability to actually manage the English language. Lack of ability to understand that the voters who put him and Labor into the current situation were actually very smart in… Read more »
Bob Brown wants us to pull out of Afghanistan, Alexander Downer says the time has come to negotiate with the Taliban, and both major parties have so far stuck to the line our mission there is train the Afghan National Army in Oruzgan and nothing more (although the Coalition has argued for increased resources).
After Question Time in the House of Representatives this afternoon the historic debate on our involvement in the Afghanistan War will start with opening addresses from the Prime Minister Julia Gillard and the Opposition Leader Tony Abbott. Join us here from 2pm for live coverage of Question Time, followed directly by the commencement of the debate.
Question Time and the Afghanistan Debate
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Lisa says:
Zeta, just because they get paid more doesn’t mean thats the reason they want to go on a deployment. most believe is is their JOB to assist in this country whether it be overseas TRAINING other defence forces or protecting those who are training the others. Australia has the best… Read more »
Julia Gillard’s “more detention” announcement is no solution for asylum seekers.

The Labor government has announced that children and families are to be released from detention. If you thought so, look again. The announcement is a shameful sleight of hand.
A closer look shows that the government’s announcement falls a long way short of actually releasing children and families. Those that are
“released”, will live in the community under “residence determinations” with possible curfews and other restrictive conditions set by the Minister.
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Raymond OConnell says:
If Ian Rintoul is Australian,then i feel ashamed.He and his ilk have abused his fellow countrymen and i have no doubt that in an emergency this country would be betrayed him and his fellow travellers.Deport him to the Middle East he will see the true nature of the people he… Read more »
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james says:
This is what happens as soon as someone is against he the the flood of so called refuges or imagration your a nartzie. Read more »
Greens leader Bob Brown will today have his first real win of the new paradigm, with the debate he called for on our involvement in the War in Afghanistan set to commence at the conclusion of Question Time in the House of Representatives.

It’s unlikely the Government would have consented to such a debate if it didn’t have to, such is the growing chorus of questions surrounding our mission there.
The Greens are not the only ones questioning the strategy and time-frame of our deployment - but there’s no doubt Bob Brown is in the hot-seat now, and must be hoping the debate, which will also cascade into the Senate next week, produces something more than bi-partisan adherence to the stock standard lines.
The Punch will cover the commencement of the debate live directly after Question Time, which begins at 2pm. Check back on the home page this afternoon to join in.
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Dink says:
Wholeheartedly, I ednroswe Pax Christi’s statement on the urgent need for an immediate change in strategy in Afganisthan. My prayers join all other people of faith and seekers of justice! Read more »
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Lillian says:
When they bgoruht NATO into Afghanistan, I was like, “Does our politicians want us to lose in Afghanistan?” Cause that is what is going to happen when you rely upon NATO to do anything. Evidence of their fecklessness and purposeful stone walling has proven this position out.The US military, probably… Read more »
SATURDAY 09/10/10
Morning
Abbott Press Secretary (APS) calls. Wants me to come to meeting at 0900.
Do not like it when Abbott’s staff start using 24 hour time. Usually means Abbott plans to use all 24 hours in day.

0900
Meeting with Abbott.
Abbott hands me envelope – says it contains vital national security briefing. Will read on Monday. Today am meeting wife in Canberra to go to Floriade (Flower and Garden Festival). Wife has spent all week planning flower viewing.
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Roja says:
The Oakenshot diaries…. Monday 08:00… Oakenshot rings me to discuss the new paradigm at length. Friday 17:00… Phone Call ends, I haven’t gotten a word in yet I feel I have learnt nothing. Friday 17:05 I quit. Read more »
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acotrel says:
Now I understand why Abbott has declared that all Liberal Party politicians support Australia’s involvement in Afghanistan - he’s still embarrassed about his ‘jet lag’ gaff! He’s overcompensating? Read more »
Welcome to Friday at The Punch

How’s your week been? Got something on your mind? Share it all here.
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Unions have no place in the public sector but they provide a useful stick for the State to use in the private sector…... Read more »
Let’s just clear up one thing before the parliamentary debate on Afghanistan starts. The Coalition supports the troops. The ALP supports the troops. We all support the troops.

Questioning our role in Afghanistan and seeking clarity on our mission there does not equate to “disrespecting the troops” - despite that being the rhetorical fallback for people who think they’re at risk of somehow losing this important debate.
But both Tony Abbott and Julia Gillard seem to think the way to win politically (as opposed to the way to “win” the war) is to paint the other as inadequate in their support of the 1550 Australian men and women currently serving in Afghanistan.
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Youdy beaudy says:
God, many people go on about nothing. So what if Julia authorized Tonys trip and knew something or other obviously to get at him in some way, blah, blah, blahhhhhhhh. Tony Abbott is running around the place playing as if he is the Prime Minister of Australia. No Tony, guess… Read more »
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Steve Putnam says:
Why don’t you all just lay off Abbott? By being in Afghanistan he was serving his country where he was most needed. Read more »
The Australian public are being fed a one dimensional view of Afghanistan by both sides of politics that is misleading and will only result in further domestic political frustration and a public continuing to question why our troops are not winning the war.

Our mission in Afghanistan will not be successful through military engagement alone. The Prime Minister must publicly acknowledge that our mission in Afghanistan will only succeed through the implementation of a range of mainly direct civilian engagements outside the safety of our Forward Operating Bases and a long way from the good coffee in the safe compounds in Kabul.
War is armed politics and counterinsurgency is an armed variant of domestic politics in which numerous challengers compete for control over the population.
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Cicero says:
Worked with this idiot in Adghanistan - perhaps you should ask him why he was ‘let go’ after he started dispalying a Walter Mitty/Rambo type personality that worried all of us he would get himself killed - but worse us with him. Read more »
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Pochihontas says:
From a quick Google its clear this is the same Jason Thomas who made an unsuccessful attempt to stand for Liberal Party preselection in Kooyong against (recently elected MP) Josh Frydenberg. But if we are now to believe his blurb, we might quickly conclude that Barack Obama awoke from his… Read more »
Julia Gillard and Tony Abbott are both on their first overseas jaunts since the election and neither of them seems to be enjoying themselves very much.

Even though no one believed him for a second, Tony “Iron Man” Abbott’s jetlag excuse for not visiting Afghanistan has turned into a real snafu, and Gillard has admitted she’d rather just stay home altogether.
Let’s deal with Abbott first.
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Steve Putnam says:
Hopefully while Abbott is in the UK David Cameron will take him aside and explain a few of the realities concerning climate and its possible impact on the planet. At least the British Tories, unlike their Australian counterparts, don’t have their heads buried in the sand on this issue. Read more »
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Steve Putnam says:
Abbott started this mess himself. Afghanistan is one area where the politics has been neutral and by both sides of politics being present there as one, the diggers would see that they had the unambiguous support of the country. The story got wings when the families of soldiers serving in… Read more »
The ongoing criticism of the Australian Defence Force’s deployed resources in Afghanistan, firstly by the 6 RAR Digger’s email and now also by a senior soldier in Townsville and a recently returned Officer, raise the real issue of the Government’s commitment to the fight.

Has the Government deployed every possible resource needed to achieve the mission?
In response to that now widely publicised email, Defence stated that the Commander on the ground at Deh Rawood had a range of direct and indirect fire assets at his disposal. The Commander chose to use some of those assets and others he did not, for a variety of reasons such as airspace deconfliction.
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dexter says:
“Oh how quickly some forget the terrorist attacks in Bali and the foiled terrorist plot to inflict mass causalities at Holsworthy Army Base”....what does this lame reference have to do with us being bogged down in a forlorn, corrupt country where a military solution will not work. The west has… Read more »
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Marilyn Shepherd says:
We spend more locking up the few thousand refugees who escaped than we do anything else. Read more »
It is fair to say that there is a growing sense of unease in Australia about our commitment in Afghanistan. Twenty-one Australian soldiers have now died.

The latest casualty, Lance Corporal Jared MacKinney, was laid to rest just nine days ago. Five hours after his burial his widow Beckie gave birth to their second child.
Beckie’s friend, Courier Mail journalist Jane Fynes-Clinton, wrote a heartfelt but forthright column about the broader meaning of this family’s private tragedy. She argued on behalf of her friend that Australia should honour Jared’s memory by staying the course in Afghanistan.
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Dan says:
Jim, the West did invade Afghanistan. That does not mean it was not warrented (although it had nothing to with human rights abuses), but it was absolutely an invasion. Jon, how Islamophobic are you? The Taliban are a pervertion of Islam! Islam is not the problem, extremism is! Just so… Read more »
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Gregg says:
I really doubt that we can put too much on what Blair claims now if he had known what the scene was all about but doesn’t really say what he would have backed, certainly not a ” You’re either with us or against us stance as GWB was looking for… Read more »
NOW there will be a new Defence Minister, Stephen Smith, who will have the rotten task of taking to the podium with Air Chief Marshall Angus Houston to announce that yet another Digger has been killed in action.

Senator John Faulkner did it too many times.
It was clear from watching Faulkner that he truly hated these death calls. He appeared to feel almost too deeply the burden of being the minister in the government which has ordered its troops to fight.
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staying silent and not speaking out against illegal immoral invasions based on lies that result in the murder of hundreds of thousand of innocent men women and children equates to supporting the war. Read more »
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Gregg says:
I think you split hairs Wayne with ” I have not stated we should support being in Afghanistan because we have troops there . What i said was that we should give our troops full moral and ethical backing for the job they are doing and also because what they… Read more »
The picture is seared in the mind’s eye: a moment that cut a beautiful young woman, heavily pregnant with a baby boy, to shreds.

A late-night knock at the door revealed two uniformed soldiers, the bearers of the news that her husband, Lance Corporal Jared MacKinney, had been killed in a war zone a few hours before.
His bride was shattered. With one sentence, Beckie MacKinney’s world careened off its axis. I know this because I have the privilege of knowing this brave, fragile, amazing woman. And although two weeks have passed since that terrible night, the feeling of helplessness as her friend refuses to loosen its grip.
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A so sad story. I admire the men who have lost their lives and I admire the widows and families they leave behind. The reality is though that there are many countries around the world that also allow their people no freedoms and display oppression. I’m not seeing us or… Read more »
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mary wooderson says:
This country was multicultural from the time Britain arrived and a state of terra nullis was declared.Oops sorry,you were saying multiculturism is not a good thing and I suppose there are a lot of first people of this country who would agree wholeheartedly with you.I am not being disrespectful of… Read more »
Advisory: The following post contains graphic content which some people may find distressing.
Everyone suffers in war. No exceptions. I have been travelling to Afghanistan now for over three years. Covering the conflict from an outsider’s perspective, not getting involved or emotionally attached to the people I photograph. This is hard. Maintaining perspective and impartialility each day is challenging.

Watching soldiers die on the battlefield for a belief in something so far remote from them, is at times very difficult. They fight because they are told to and because if they do not, they will probably be killed by an ill-equipped and under trained Afghan insurgent - or a farmer with a grudge and no money to feed his family.
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FFS says:
Marilyn, your views are so ill-informed, misguided and plainly wrong, it beggars belief that you have the motor skills to type. Your disgraceful attack on our soldiers is worthy of the deepest shame, but I doubt whether you have the wit to feel shame over the deep swamp of self-righteousness… Read more »
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Derp says:
Hug them into sumission… good strategy. Read more »
The Greens might not have the balance of power in the Senate until next July but one of Bob Brown’s proposals, a parliamentary debate on our military commitment in Afghanistan, should be indulged well before then.

Nine years into a war that has recently grown much more dangerous for our troops the two major political parties have fallen back on a bit of a “just because” argument for why we should remain in such a Hell hole.
It’s an accepted reality that both sides are in unanimous support for our mission. But as public unease with the growing Australian toll intensifies, our leaders have failed to properly articulate much beyond championing our training role and that “progress is being made.”
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The 18th Australian soldier, Jason Brown, died in Afghanistan last week.

Gillard and Abbott were united in simultaneously expressing condolences to Jason’s family and friends; whilst expressing their determination to remain in Afghanistan (all the while carefully avoiding the war slipping onto the election agenda).
Gillard and Abbott are united in their declaration that Jason’s death should not distract from their commitment to maintain a presence in Afghanistan.
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Mike Barton says:
Are our combat troops being withdrawn from Iraq and if not why not ? The US has plled out we also need to go the counrry will fall into the hands of the Taliban regardless of what we do now . Pakistan is a strong determined nation and it is… Read more »
After months of controversy, approval has been granted for the construction of an Islamic community centre and mosque two blocks away from the site of the World Trade Centre in New York City.

But the $US100m dollar building that will boast a gym, childcare centre and a couple of restaurants has raised several questions about religious tolerance, cultural freedom and national healing, leaving many New Yorker’s divided and one of their biggest questions un-answered: when will the United States pull out of Afghanistan?
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Well said, the Taliban have won if the US ignores it’s founding values and principals. If I lived in NY then the only objection I’d have is i’d prefer it to be a multi-faith community centre that all people from all cultures can use. Read more »
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TheRealDave says:
@Pete - given that over , what is it up to now? 4000 odd US servicemen have died directly stemming, right or wrong depending on your viewpoint, directly from 9/11 I think that many of the families of those servicemen and women who were and are being killed in action… Read more »
There’s a tendency in some circles to see disclosures like the Wikileaks publishing of 90,000 documents about the war in Afghanistan as an inherently good thing.

Many people – from all parts of the political spectrum – see the release of secret government information as desirable as a rule because it allows people to look into the inner workings of the state apparatus and its agents. This makes governments accountable. Others, more insidiously – especially in technology and new media circles – welcome events like this mainly because they involve the internet.
The Afghanistan war logs are a watershed moment in government control over intelligence data. It’s not that battlefield information was published – that’s nothing especially new – but that the release of the information was so huge and co-ordinated between three countries and on the web simultaneously.
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You do realise he also exposed where a bunch of innocent children, mothers, fathers, wives and husbands were killed, and those murders where then covered-up in a web of lies. But then again those people who were killed were Afghans, so I suppose you’re right it doesn’t matter who gets… Read more »
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2ndeffort says:
I am a former soldier. I never served in Afghanistan. I would hate to think that this self righteous and self styled ‘whistleblower’ believes that he is doing anything in the interests of the many sons, daughters, husbands, wifes etc currently serving in coalition armies. I wonder how the parents… Read more »
Like Samson and his hair, I’ve a long held theory that John Faulkner’s powers actually reside in his huge red rimmed glasses.

This may have been an optical illusion, but in moments when Faulkner’s significant consolatory powers were most in demand, such as sitting between Kevin Rudd and Julia Gillard in the Prime Minister’s office two weeks ago, the glasses appeared to double in size.
Today, as the wise old owl of the Labor Party announced he would be moving back to the backbench, the size of his specs looked almost regular - or at least within the range of sizes recommended by OPSM before they give you long-term neck problems.
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Against the man Do you want a Country run by Minin bosses and other big businesses? Read more »
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Christian Real says:
Robert Smissen Rural SA Robert, It appears that one dog in Parliament’s is enough, Ex Prime Minister John Howard’s attack dog is still there, as Opposition Leader. Read more »
The recent discussion of the Afghan deployment focus on the loss of more, young Australian lives as part of a mission which is not understood. It is a tragic loss, yet fundamental re-appraisal of western aims in Afghanistan seems highly unlikely.

The western presence in Afghanistan is not simply a lost decade of US led Osama hunting, nor is it merely a 30 year hangover from Cold War conflict. The Western presence in Afghanistan is part of a larger mission that has dragged on for hundreds of years.
The common acceptance of the logic that underpins both sides of the public debate about Afghanistan, illustrates that this mission is so acceptable to western polities that its existence is taken for granted and passes largely unremarked.
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The timing is a co-incidence but it’s a terrible spectacle nonetheless.

As we’re bringing another three Australian Diggers home in coffins from Afghanistan, and increasing our civilian presence there, the man in charge of the allied military efforts has been dragged back to Washington because of something he said to a Rolling Stone journalist.
I’m not sure who comes out of this looking worse, President Obama or his General Stanley McChrystal.
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George says:
President Obama is trying to end a lie that was started by redneck cowboys bush & blair. Read more »
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TheRealDave says:
They’ve given Patraeus the job in Afghanistan now. Top bloke he is too, knows his stuff. He’s the bloke that settled Iraq down in a quick hurry with his ‘surge’ and getting US boots on the ground and out patrolling. He has said in the past he modeled his tactics… Read more »
Well we’re leaving Afghanistan, it’s just not entirely clear when.

Today Defence Minister John Faulkner has announced changes to our role in Afghanistan that have been made necessary by the withdrawal of Dutch troops in August.
At the same time the Defence Minister gave a qualified timetable for withdrawal between 2012 and 2014, and then assured us that he wasn’t doing that.
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Tommy J says:
Leo, please allow this comment as it is important. For those of you who may not know, here are just a few facts relevant to the current military deployments. In Haig’s presence, Kissinger [ex US Sec of State and still political heavyweight] referred pointedly to military men as “dumb, stupid… Read more »
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Markus says:
It is something I have always wondered. Republics developed independently in many countries out of necessity. Most are stable and conservative, even between leadership changes, because of the conservative nature of the population’s majority. We have seen the result in Iraq of forcing democracy in a country not necessarily ready… Read more »
Update 1:30 PM: Kevin Rudd has told a meeting of Labor MPs this morning that Australia has a “definite and finite” role in Afghanistan, but has not pointed to any specific withdrawal timetable.
The deaths of another three soldiers in a helicopter crash in Afghanistan means five Australian soldiers have been killed in Afghanistan in two weeks.
The latest tragedy means 16 Australian soldiers have now been killed in Afghanistan, since Australian forces joined with American led coalition forces after the September 11 attacks all the way back in 2001.
For good reason politicians and parties in Australia are generally loath to be seen politicising the deaths of young people who serve their country, but the number and regularity of the deaths of our soldiers in Afghanistan leads to inevitable questions for the Government about our future there.
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Heather says:
The might of the Russian army could not Tame Afghanistan what makes the US think they can ? If it were an all out ‘war’ maybe but appears just pot shotting at each other and many wonderful young men+womens lives being lost. Too many bring ‘em home. In vain does… Read more »
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Noname says:
I strongly agree with Dale Colbeck. Afghanistan wasn`t our problem, therefore we shouldn`t have invaded unless Bin laden attacked Australia. NOW that Afghanistan is unstable because of all the troops went from America/Australia and other countries. They are our responsibility . Before the invasion of Afghanistan Taliban murdered millions of… Read more »
Update 10.30am: Acting chief of the defence force Lieutenant General David Hurley, and the acting defence minister Greg Combet have also just confirmed the deaths, and said the soldiers’ families had requested their names not be released.
Update 10.10am: Queensland Premier Anna Bligh has confirmed two Australian soldiers were killed. More here.
Details are still emerging but Australians are believed among the casualties in the most deadly day this year for allied forces in Afghanistan.

A spokesman for the Australian Defence Force confirmed an “an incident” involving the Mentoring Task Force and that next of kin had been informed, though did not provide further details. The Courier-Mail in Brisbane, where the MTF is based, is reporting two Australian soldiers were killed in the incident. If confirmed it will bring the number of Australian soldiers killed in Afghanistan to 13 since 2002.
Last night the NATO-led International Security Assistance Force confirmed an improvised explosive device incident that killed two soldiers in southern Afghanistan, where Australian troops are based.
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Adam says:
Australian soldiers & engineers have saved countless Afghan lives. Is one Aussie troop worth more than the lives of 1000’s of innocent Afghans? Also, the US backed the Taliban when USSR invaded Afghanistan. I’m sure back then it looked like a good idea though, as helping a country to repel… Read more »
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John A Neve says:
TheRealDave, Sorry, but you are wrong, the CIA funded the Taliban in the ‘90’s and it wasn’t until later that America and the USSR agreed to remove their interests in Afghanistan. Read more »
On returning last month from 10 days in the Middle East Area of Operations (MEAO) that included five days in Afghanistan in Kandahar and Tarin Kowt, I was shocked to hear of another attempted extremist Islamic terrorist attack, on that occasion in Times Square.

This only reinforces my view that unless we defeat the Taliban and remove the opportunity for their Al Qaeda allies to spew venom through indoctrination, training and support, we will continue to fight them in our own backyard.
The Dutch unfortunately have decided their contribution has come to an end in Afghanistan leaving a capability vacuum in Oruzgan Province where the bulk of Australia’s combat forces are. The military has a maxim that ‘time spent in reconnaissance is seldom wasted.’ Likewise 10 days with our troops on operations was fertile time to reflect and I’ve personally concluded that Australia should consider expanding its contribution to fill this vacuum and take the lead in Oruzgan Province.
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Sean Williams says:
Well it seems that made you feel better Tim, glad I could help. You make it sound like Britain forced Australians to take part in the world wars, and that somehow Australians suffered more than the British. It’s the same old Aussie whinge, we get more grief off you lot… Read more »
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Harquebus says:
Then the fighting continues. You can not debate with someone who has been brainwashed with religious garbage from the age of three. Read more »
If you haven’t already seen the graphic below take a minute to have a look.

This is an explanation the United States’ plan for victory in Afghanistan, and formed part of a PowerPoint presentation given by the US Military to some of its top brass.
This PowerPoint presentation is not only emblematic of what may have gone wrong in Afghanistan, but, without wanting to sound too alarmist, what’s gone wrong with the way we’re being taught to think.
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Jethro says:
I think the graphic is very effective in communicating the key message that Afghanistan is a very complex problem which doesn’t have a simple solution. Read more »
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marley says:
I’m beginning to think Marshall McLuhan was right. The medium HAS become the message. Read more »
Welcome to Wednesday @ The Punch
Today in 1988 the Soviet Union signed an agreement pledging to remove their troops from Afghanistan.
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Peter says:
Obviously not for some Ben… A video placed on the top of the page might make some people think that this forum is about that video… There’s no need to imply that people here are stupid.. Read more »
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Ben81 says:
The words “Open thread” in large text at the top is usually enough to tell me that these are open threads. Isn’t it obvious? Read more »
Throughout history millions have urged us to ‘make love, not war’ and an important voice has just joined this choir.

On Tuesday, Australia’s former Army Chief, Peter Leahy, suggested that the defence budget should be cut and redirected towards its diplomacy and aid programs – and no, he wasn’t wearing flares or dreads.
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I would like to propose not to wait until you get big sum of cash to order goods! You can get the mortgage loans or consolidation loans and feel comfortable Read more »
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Well composed thesis abstract close to this good post performed by thesis writing or custom dissertation service can be the first point to the academic degree. Read more »
Welcome to Monday @ The Punch
Today in 1989 Soviet Troops pulled out of Afghanistan after nine years of conflict.
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Max Power says:
They still are brave freedom fighters. The Northern Alliance have been battling the Taliban for years in an effort to restore freedom to Afgahnistan. The Taliban are terrorists, not just in the Pentagons eyes but the whole worlds. Blowing up markets full of civilians, blowing up schools, hospitals and any… Read more »
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Lindsay says:
T Chong, you are a goose. The mujahideen who fought against Soviet troops fell into civil war following their victory. They were then decimated by the Taliban and reorganised into the Northern Alliance. In turn the NA - assisted by coalition airpower and advisors - played a major role in… Read more »
The Defence Department posted this image from Afghanistan on its website on Tuesday. As you can see, the faces of the Australian soldiers were obscured.

For security reasons, we have decided to also obscure the faces of the Afghans in the photo.
The Defence Department released this photo along with a media release, which explained the men pictured were village elders and religious leaders of Chenartu, north-east of Tarin Kowt. The photo shows the Afghans laughing and getting on well with members of Australia’s Special Operations Task Group as they engage with Afghan communities across Oruzgan province.
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Sad part of it all says:
Exactly. The power of the media. The owners the controllers, the humble seagull scavenging and fighting for his meal ticket to gain about of notoriety and a couple of dollars, pity isn’t it. Read more »
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James says:
You seem pretty certain there Jason. Care to elaborate on who is going to invade, and when. Oh, and a why wouldn’t go astray. While your at it, perhaps a how would be in order. But in order to work out the how, we must also know where this invasion… Read more »
Outside a Sydney court this morning, self-styled Sheikh Haron claimed his views were not being accurately represented.

Accordingly he and a female aide – who video-recorded the Sheikh’s long sermon to reporters on the steps of the court - handed out copies of the letter which is reproduced below.
He faced the Downing Centre Local Court today charged with sending harassing letters to the families of dead Australian soldiers.
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Ginny says:
If he wanted to stop the war in Afghanistan, making Australian society more aware of their casualties would be the right way to go. Eventually society will be sick of their OWN losses [like america] and public opinion will triumph [as with Vietnam.] We ought to have access to all… Read more »
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We are citizens of the world and every heart bleed says:
I suggest part of the sheik’s sentence be he has to sit down with a whole heap of pictures of grieving mothers fathers and families plus the face only pictures of the deceased and see if he can identify the"murderers” and the “victims” and match the mourners to the relevant… Read more »
It’s hard to know whether those handling media for the Australian Defence Force are as clueless as they seem or are now openly trying to bait the Australian media.

Yesterday there were a couple of press releases sent out from the ADF. The first was helpfully entitled: News Stories from Afghanistan – Three news stories for broadcast/publication.
Doing their favourite PLA impression, the ADF has in fact provided three media releases on Australia’s operation in Afghanistan labelled “news stories” and penned from within the organisation.
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MarkH says:
T.Chong, casualties of war…how long do you think these guys have to make a snap decision??? 1hr? try .5 seconds friend or foe. Sure innocent people are killed but I dont see you questioning the Talibans tactics by suicide bombing or IED attacks. So what is it? Sure the ADF… Read more »
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T.Chong says:
Mark: The ADF “Public Affairs/Relations” or whatevr title goes by, is a propaganda unit- pure and simple, like every other country in every war since David vs Goliath. Just because they are “ours” doesnt lessen the reality of them being paid to spin stories. Look at any neg event concerning… Read more »
An evocative photograph taken last week underscored that old utterance about a picture being worth a thousand words, and prompted at the same time some perennial questions about war in general, and about the particular war being waged at present in Afghanistan.

The AP photograph showed a small boy in the Afghan province of Helmand, standing on top of a small mound, his left hand reached out to clasp the right hand of a uniformed and heavily-equipped US marine.
Just what the two of them might have said to one another was not recorded in the caption, nor in the report below, which detailed a call from the UK Minister for International Defence and Security, Baroness Ann Taylor, for Australia to commit more troops to the NATO effort against the Taliban and al-Qaeda in Afghanistan.
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watto says:
Eric if you take your own advice and look up google Bush was trying to negotiate an oil pipeline through Afganistan. I suggest you look up “diplomacy” on dictionary.com - the definition does not say commercial interests…. Enjoy your “cheap” gas prices mate! Read more »
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Eric says:
John, bin Laden was the leader of al-Qaeda, the organisation that planned and executed the 9/11 attacks. Afghanistan was hosting al-Qaeda training bases, and Osama bin Laden himself, at the time. I suggest that Google is a useful source of information. Read more »
Welcome to Wednesday @ The Punch

Fact: today in 2001 the United States launched an attack on Afghanistan in retaliation to the events of September 11. It’s also the eighth anniversary of the war in Afghanistan.
For more background information on Afghanistan listen to this audio study from ABC Rear Vision.
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Eric says:
Shabangabang, in WWII the Allies bombed Germany and Japan literally to rubble, killing millions. In Afghanistan they’re being much more gentle. Read more »
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Razor says:
shabangabang - the difference is not in what is going on over there, it is what is going on over here. To misquote someone else - The soldiers in Afghanistan are at war while the Western world is shopping. In other words - NATO isn’t committed to winning the war… Read more »
On 28th July 2009, I flew out of Sydney bound for Bagram Air Base in Afghanistan. It was to be the start of a fascinating trip into the Afghan war zone.

I embedded with the American 10th Mountain Division in Logar province, in the East part of the country. I was then shipped out to “The Tip of The Spear” as they called it, to the district of Kherwar.
The unit I joined was part of the Coalition’s blocking force against Taliban forces who are trying to use the area as an alternative entry point to the Wardack province and into Kabul.
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Budd says:
You really found a way to make this whole procses easier. Read more »
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Brett says:
After the McCrystall debacle can you blame the risk adverse Australian commanders. Read more »
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