Afghanistan War

Post traumatic stress disorder is a very real, very damaging thing, especially among those who have served in a war zone. There’s a lot to be learned about it from listening to the real experiences of those who have been immersed in the unimaginable.

Don't go looking for an excuse for the Afghanistan massacre behind this nice front door… Picture: AP

But you know what - we don’t need to learn it from Sergeant Robert Bales. There’s nothing about his financial stresses, or alleged marital difficulties, or level of disgruntlement with his military bosses over his most recent deployment to Afghanistan to in any way explain the acts he’s accused of.

I don’t care that his house was on the market for $50,000 less than he’d paid for it. I don’t care that his foot hurt. And couldn’t give a toss that his friends are grieving over how “our Bobby” snapped. While it’s normal to look for an explanation for horrific things - some of what we’re hearing about Bales sounds more like an excuse.

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  • wangaratta boi says:

    11:14am | 26/03/12

    war crimes happen. no-one knows whos the enemy and whos the civillian in afghan the locals are the same people who fire mortars and rifles at you at night. and during the day act inocent when a patrol is out during the day. look at the russians in the 80s… Read more »

  • Colin says:

    12:22pm | 23/03/12

    It seems to me that poeple are defending the soldier or the army rather than man, so… What if he wasn’t a soldier? Seriously, if this guy was an accountant with the same stresses & disorders (PTSD isnt confined to soldiers) & he killed these people in say Sydney, can… Read more »

 

The murder of 16 Afghan civilians by a lone US soldier in Afghanistan this week is a tragic incident, which destroys the fundamental principles upon which this population-centric war is being fought.

Wonder how this Kabul bread vendor's heart and mind is feeling? Pic: AP.

This war is as much about winning the hearts and minds of the population as killing the enemy. If the Coalition forces and the Afghan Government cannot be seen to protect the population, then the only alternative is the Taliban. 

Counterinsurgency is the military’s version of what our civil criminal and social justice systems do in areas riddled by crime, drugs and a cycle of inter-generational poverty. Whether it’s Afghanistan or the Bronx, the population is the prize and it is no-longer acceptable just to shoot the bad guys.

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  • Andy of Sydney says:

    11:18pm | 15/03/12

    Carol, perhaps if you knew the history surrounding the Battle of Coral Sea, you’d pick up on what Tom is saying. That you did not points to the fact that you are commenting on a subject on which you know extremely little, if any. Here is a little enlightenment: The… Read more »

  • John says:

    03:54pm | 14/03/12

    You are very lucky that these blinkered US policies since WW2 coinside with your right to free speech. Read more »

 

It has been almost 600 days since 28-year-old Lance Corporal Jared MacKinney from Brisbane was killed in action in Afghanistan.

The new dad was shot in the upper body by a single enemy round during the Battle of Derapet in the Tangi Valley on August 24, 2010.

Following the battle one of his close mates in the Mentoring Task Force wrote a detailed email in which he claimed that with better fire support from mortars, artillery and light armoured vehicles, Lance Corporal MacKinney might not have been killed.

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  • Roger says:

    03:56pm | 05/03/12

    “You should also note that when a helicopter is in the vicinity all offensive support must be stopped. You can’t have both at the same time because one tends to hit the other” “You should also note that when a helicopter is in the vicinity all offensive support must be… Read more »

  • Geoff says:

    09:27pm | 03/02/12

    If the Americans had assisted Afghanistan after the withdrawal of the Russians then me might not be in this mess - ie see the end of the movie Charlie Wilson’s War Read more »

 

The reader response to The Punch article, 12 January 2012, “Why have we abandoned our troops?” highlighted a deep misunderstanding of the central tenet of the article, and, more worryingly, a flawed knowledge of the actual conditions of service applicable in the Australian Defence Force (ADF).

It's deadly work, the hours are long, entitlements are minimal and pensions are inadequately indexed. Image: Amanda Hodge.

Some of the more ill-informed myths about what entitlements our military men and women received were:

• Tax free salaries – No (but there are some concessions when deployed to war zones).

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  • SapperK9 says:

    04:57pm | 15/02/12

    Unfortunately, and thank you Peter the First (first senior officer to stand tall), we are expending the only commodity that veterans have not - time. All this text is prevarication, procrastination, and yes, political. masturbation.  I’ve arrived at two heroes in my pantheon, Guy Fawkes and Watt Tyler.  Google them… Read more »

  • Jade says:

    12:18pm | 08/02/12

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It’s Remembrance Day. And this year, we have more to remember than ever.


Ashley Birt, 22. Bryce Duffy, 26. Luke Gavin, 29. Rowan Robinson, 23. Todd Langley, 35. They’re all diggers killed in Afghanistan, and that’s just since June.

While we’re remembering them though, we need to jog our memories a little further. Because over the course of this Very Long War in Afghanistan, there’s a lot that we’ve forgotten.

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  • Mildret says:

    08:56pm | 07/02/12

    Wonderful post, well setatd.  As a former state trooper, who was working for a federal police agency in DC on 9/11 and saw the Pentagon burning, and waited to hear on our officers who entered the Twin Towers to help save people, and who NOW works for the Marine Corps–I… Read more »

  • Cameron says:

    07:00pm | 15/11/11

    Well said Marley. Well, we certainly cant police the whole world, its way to big. Let the Arab Nations deal with themselves. We should withdraw and fortify our own interests, our soldiers deserve better then be shot in the back by rogue afghan troops, and such…Let them die for Australia,… Read more »

 

Australian Soldiers are the strongest tribe in Uruzgan Province and it is this profile that wins hearts and minds in Afghanistan, not well-meaning gestures of handing out bags of money.

Aussie Soldiers in Afghanistan

It is that strategic change over the last 18 months that is now paying off in Uruzgan. Afghans respond to what some may call traditional characteristics of bravery, courage, honour and revenge. They are also very polite, even though tomorrow they may kill you. If you could bring back Alexander the Great, he would say we are fighting the same people, using the same tactics they used against him 2,000 years ago.

Despite what Australia’s David Kilcullen, the architect of this new pop military version of counterinsurgency (COIN), will have you believe, this is not about a kindler gentler war. There has been a grave misrepresentation of COIN. In fact, unlike author of The Strongest Tribe former Marine Commander Bing West, who has spent endless nights bunkered down under fire with troops, I doubt whether Kilcullen would have been to very far off Route One.

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    06:27pm | 11/05/12

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  • Racheal says:

    02:53pm | 07/02/12

    How can Canada help them with decacromy when we are losing it so fast here at home over the last five to six years under HarperLand?The US contractors who “won” (paid the biggest bribes) the contrats to re-build the schools take their cut and hire another contractor who does the… Read more »

 

Jamie Larcombe is the fifth Australian Army combat engineer to be killed in action in Afghanistan. He is also the first to be shot during a firefight rather than blown up by an insurgent’s improvised explosive device (IED).

Sapper Jamie Larcombe with partner Rhiannon Penhall

The engineers are a tight-knit and dedicated group of soldiers who bring a raft of skills and a great deal of courage to the fight against the Taliban. The Darwin based 1st Combat Engineer Regiment has now lost two of its best within a fortnight following the death of Corporal Richard Atkinson at the hands of an enemy bomb maker.

In addition to the five KIA they have also suffered much higher rates of injury as they take the lead role whenever a patrol leaves the security of an operating base.

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  • Roger says:

    05:02pm | 05/03/12

    @Marilyn Sheperd If we wanted the pipeline, we’d have ignored the country and just mount patrols along the oil lines. Armed guards, told to shoot on sight any unauthorised personnel. But it isn’t all about the pipeline. I’m sure somewhere, someone’s making money of off the oil. But Aus didn’t… Read more »

  • Ruth Thurts says:

    04:15pm | 28/02/11

    YES it is even more HORRIBLY unfair to families of Defence Members killed in the name of Australia. There is a small group of defence families this is extremely difficult for, those families of members recruited from Overseas Defence Forces.  The ADF made sure that legislation allows them to deploy… Read more »

 

He was a husband, a father, a son, a lover of food and four-wheel drives and a passionate soldier.

Jared with his wife Beckie and daughter Annabell. Picture: ADF

And now there is a chance that Lance-Corporal Jared MacKinney might be remembered because of the furore that erupted over footage of the Opposition Leader uttering the phrase ``s—t happens’’ during a discussion about how the young man lost his life in Afghanistan.

If this incident leads to the downfall of Tony Abbott, it would be a tragedy and another sad footnote in the events surrounding the death of a fine, respected soldier.

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  • Karen says:

    04:31pm | 15/02/11

    The slimy attack started with OPPOSITION defence spokesman David Johnston when he called for “another 300 Australian troops to be sent to Afghanistan”, following claims Diggers that were there didn’t have enough support when Lance-Corporal Jared MacKinney died. Abbotts ‘Shit happened” in reply to that. Read more »

 

News that our Diggers have rejected Kevin Rudd’s pessimistic view of the war in Afghanistan is no surprise.

The tragic price of a safer world. Photo: Defence Department

A foreign minister who derides the French and German contribution to the conflict as nothing more than ‘organising folk dancing festivals’ when each nation has suffered nearly 50 casualties is insensitive and out of touch.

Like our European friends Australia’s participation in Afghanistan is part of a broader international effort that is making considerable progress.

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  • Davi says:

    07:10pm | 17/04/12

    Mr. Frydenberg, You say that “We must be under no illusions”, but the ideas you are defending in this articles themselves are illusions. EVERYBODY knows this war is not about duty, peace, freedom or justice. It is not about giving a better life to the people in Afghanistan. It is… Read more »

  • Jim Lamb says:

    10:16pm | 21/01/11

    Afghanistan is a futile war.Anyone that supports it ,is supporting a disgusting imoral,corupt government.The slaughter of young soldiers that are only being sacrificed to supprt their governments total obedience to please America.  America has slaughtered hundreds of thousands of inocent people,in Iraq and Afghanistan in revenge for the 9/11 attack… Read more »

 

Ahead of US Secretary of State Clinton’s visit to Australia this weekend, The Punch caught up with US Ambassador to Australia Jeff Bleich to discuss the recent parliamentary debate on Afghanistan and the US mid-term elections.

United States Ambassador to Australia Jeff Bleich makes no secret of the fact he was watching the debate on the Afghan war pretty closely.

American soldiers rush the wounded to a helicopter. Picture: Gary Ramage

“We were obviously very interested in it because Australia is a key partner is Afghanistan. Our take on it was that this is healthy. We did extensive internal review at the end of the 2009 to determine what’s the best course and how do we see this resolving and what are we going to need to do it.

“That was heavy internal conversation, and I think with all our partners we want them to have, if there are doubts, to have that honest discussion,” he told The Punch yesterday. 

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  • FFS says:

    03:07am | 07/11/10

    Marilyn pretty much makes up figures, stats and situations in her head. The utter tripe that she comes out with is laughable. My guess would be that Marilyn is a first-year arts student running hard with the holier-than-thou kneejerk anti-American, anti-government, pro-everything-non-western, completely illogical, ridiculous and without a single basis… Read more »

  • The Badger says:

    02:29pm | 06/11/10

    Marylin I think you meant the moron yank (Bush). and I seriously don’t think that Australian troops are “Drug addicts, ill educated losers most of them who become brutes and savages in ten seconds flat.” Sounds like you are describing the Qld or WA Police force. PS - your financial… Read more »

 

The beginning of the debate into Australia’s commitment to the war in Afghanistan is a refreshing exercise.

Julia Gillard presenting her speech on the Afghan war today. Picture: Ray Strange

For a cynical electorate it has provided impassioned and well reasoned political debate - albeit one in which the major parties agree – and the best thing the new paradigm has provided to this Parliament.

While Julia Gillard and Tony Abbott agreed to the need for Australia to stay in Afghanistan there were subtle differences in the arguments that they made in support of it: one given by somebody with the responsibility for the military commitment, the other from somebody with a firm belief in its ideological commitment.

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  • Against the Man says:

    05:29pm | 20/10/10

    Okay lets put things in perspective. War is complex and there is no easy solution right? Look at page 31 of the daily Telegraph today. taxpayer subsidised uni nursing grads can’t get jobs when there is a very great nursing shortage, also thanks to the ALP we have the 1st… Read more »

  • ted n says:

    03:56pm | 20/10/10

    @ Gregg you need to check the rapid increase in opium crops in the last decade… yes it has been going on for yonks but kindly research what the crops are worth now and try to explain how millions of dollars are not ending up in the hands of the… Read more »

 

Greens leader Bob Brown will today have his first real win of the new paradigm, with the debate he called for on our involvement in the War in Afghanistan set to commence at the conclusion of Question Time in the House of Representatives.

All eyes will be on Greens MP Adam Bandt when he joins the debate today. Picture: Ray Strange

It’s unlikely the Government would have consented to such a debate if it didn’t have to, such is the growing chorus of questions surrounding our mission there.

The Greens are not the only ones questioning the strategy and time-frame of our deployment - but there’s no doubt Bob Brown is in the hot-seat now, and must be hoping the debate, which will also cascade into the Senate next week, produces something more than bi-partisan adherence to the stock standard lines.

The Punch will cover the commencement of the debate live directly after Question Time, which begins at 2pm. Check back on the home page this afternoon to join in.

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  • Dink says:

    03:00pm | 10/02/12

    Wholeheartedly, I ednroswe Pax Christi’s statement on the urgent need for an immediate change in strategy in Afganisthan.  My prayers join all other people of faith and seekers of justice! Read more »

  • Lillian says:

    07:30am | 08/02/12

    When they bgoruht NATO into Afghanistan, I was like, “Does our politicians want us to lose in Afghanistan?” Cause that is what is going to happen when you rely upon NATO to do anything. Evidence of their fecklessness and purposeful stone walling has proven this position out.The US military, probably… Read more »

 

Apart from the two stars stitched onto his collar, there’s not much that sets Major General John Cantwell apart from his troops. And that is the way that Cantwell, who heads all of Australia’s Middle Eastern operations, seems to like it.

Major General John Cantwell addresses soldiers at a patrol base in the Chorah Valley. Photo: Defence Department

Cantwell, who turned 54 on Saturday, the day he escorted Tony Abbott on his visit to the Coalition base at Tarin Kowt, in Afghanistan’s Uruzgan province, is an interesting study in the modern soldier.

At least, he comes across that way. Because access to the Australian military is quite limited, it’s hard to tell if Cantwell is an exception or reflects the easy intelligence – brain-power intelligence, not the secret stuff – of the Australian military in 2010.

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  • Roberta says:

    04:41am | 15/06/11

    Thanks for the isgniht. It brings light into the dark! Read more »

  • farkurnell says:

    06:34am | 16/10/10

    Lets keep religon out this debate ,thats what got there in the 1st place Read more »

 

The largely confected stink over Tony Abbott’s decision to pass up an opportunity to visit Australian troops in Afghanistan should be the subject of future study by would-be spin doctors, flaks and aspiring massagers of the political message.

Tony Abbott and Julia Gillard at the funeral of Digger Jason Brown. Photo: Herald Sun

It’s a cautionary tale as to the quagmire you can land yourself in should you become vaguely newsworthy during a slow period in the news cycle.

Beyond that, it demonstrates how people in public life have to think carefully when they’re constructing an alibi for dodging what might be seen as an obligation.

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  • Bob Higgs says:

    09:59am | 12/10/10

    A sterling defence of the our English toff leader in waiting, how he rides a bike such distances with a monocle I’ll never deduce. Read more »

  • Northern Steve says:

    10:53pm | 11/10/10

    Reg, not as embarrassing as watching our Prime Minister talking about the ‘Taliband’, on numerous occasions in the one interview? I mean, seriously, is our national leader that unread and unaware of the world that she doesn’t know such a fundamental word? Read more »

 

The 18th Australian soldier, Jason Brown, died in Afghanistan last week.

Gillard and Abbott attend the funeral of Private Nathan Bewes. Photo: Adam Head

Gillard and Abbott were united in simultaneously expressing condolences to Jason’s family and friends; whilst expressing their determination to remain in Afghanistan (all the while carefully avoiding the war slipping onto the election agenda).

Gillard and Abbott are united in their declaration that Jason’s death should not distract from their commitment to maintain a presence in Afghanistan.

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  • Mike Barton says:

    01:13pm | 20/08/10

    Are our combat troops being withdrawn from Iraq and if not why not ? The US has plled out we also need to go the counrry will fall into the hands of the Taliban regardless of what we do now . Pakistan is a strong determined nation and it is… Read more »

 

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