Last week I returned from a visit to Christmas Island to Parliament where the Labor Member MP, John Sullivan, from Longman in Brisbane, interjected during a speech and called me a racist.

Asylm-seekers arriving at Christmas Island late last year. Photo: Alison Millcock

At the time, I was speaking to an Appropriations Bill that was seeking additional funds to make up for shortfalls in this year’s budget. Included in these shortfalls was $132 million for off shore processing of asylum seekers.  We were supporting the Bill.

I noted that the 100 per cent plus blow out in costs demonstrated the Government had failed to appreciate the impact of their policy changes on the detention population on Christmas Island, that is now at unsustainable levels.

Apparently, criticising the government’s poor budget management these days is also grounds for being called a racist by Labor MPs.

Reflecting on John’s classy contribution, it occurred to me just how lazy arguments against stronger border protection can become. Rather than engage in the debate, some self appropriate piety and indulge in moral hectoring as a substitute.

It would seem easier for some to think that those who don’t agree with them are simply evil racists and unable to comprehend, let alone share, their own self assessed high minded capacity for human compassion, than listen to what they have to say. 

The pro-boats doctrine pedalled by some and adopted in practice by the Rudd Government has no monopoly on concern for the world’s dispossessed. To suggest otherwise is simply arrogant. Here are some things to think about.

There are reports that more than one hundred Afghans – men, women and children – perished at sea last year in their bid to come to Australia. Their families in Brisbane will probably never know what happened to them. They’re still waiting for the call. 

Where are the public protests about the fate of these 105 Afghans and the policies that encouraged them to get on that boat? We have no idea how many others have died on vessels that never arrived.

We do know that last November 12 people drowned after their boat sunk west of the Cocos Islands, and on Saturday afternoon 45 people were rescued after drifting for four days without food or water.

And then there were five people who were killed when their boat, SIEV36, was set alight and dozens more injured, also in an attempt to gain entry to Australia.

In each case people smugglers profit. The ticket price is between $5,000 and $20,000 per passenger.

Some will say, but what about those who arrive by air? Well, when was the last time you heard of an asylum seeker drowning on board a 747?

Then there are those in refugee camps.

Around 140,000 Burmese refugees are in nine camps along the Thai-Burma border. They began arriving there in the early eighties. Today people who were born in these camps are now raising their own children there, where rape, domestic violence and substance abuse are commonplace.

During the past five years Australia has granted almost nine thousand off shore humanitarian visas to Burmese refugees. This enjoys bi partisan support.  I have no issue with taking 13,500 people under our humanitarian programme each year.

Where we differ is allowing places in our humanitarian programme to be exhausted by those who pay for the services of people smugglers in preference to those offshore in camps.  I believe it violates our sense of fairness.

While there are many other reasons, saving lives and helping those who will never be able to pay a people smugglers ransom to come to Australia, strike me as good reasons to stop the illegal arrival of boats coming to Australia.

Since the Rudd Government started rolling back the border protection regime inherited from the Coalition in August 2008, 79 boats have illegally arrived carrying more than 3,600 passengers.

Not even the monsoon and the threat of cyclones have been able to overwhelm the magnetic impact of the Rudd Government’s failed border protection policies.  This summer, 23 boats have illegally arrived in our waters, compared to just four during the same period last year. 

Rather than take action, the Rudd Government has been content to blame the rest of the world and hope the problem will just go away. Worse still, they cynically hope we will just get used to it.

Faced with an overflowing Christmas Island, the Rudd Government has already rolled over and transferred people directly to the mainland from Christmas Island before assessment of their asylum claims has been completed.

This not only sends the worst possible message to people smugglers, but it opens up murky legal ground regarding the status of individuals transferred. It only takes one judge in one court with jurisdiction to hear a case and the dominoes will fall.

And then there was the Government’s special deal for the Oceanic Viking.  Mr Rudd guaranteed fast track processing, spent Australia’s diplomatic favours around the world to guarantee resettlement and most significantly compromised our national security by bringing four people rejected by our security agencies to Australian territory. This is simply unforgivable.

Mr Rudd still maintains the Oceanic Viking arrangement was ‘non-extraordinary’. He should try telling that to the 200 plus people sitting in the port at Merak, the Indonesian Government who no longer trust us on these issues and, for that matter, the 140,000 refugees in Thailand.

The Rudd Government blinked and have now lost control.

The Coalition had no such difficulty when it came to dealing decisively with these issues in Government. Our views and resolve have not changed.

We will not compromise the off shore processing regime. While Nauru and Manus are closed, if necessary, other alternative options will be found.  Boats will be turned back if circumstances allow, as Mr Rudd promised he would do.  And we will begin the work of recalibrating the policy settings unravelled by Labor, starting with the creation of a new temporary safe haven visa.

Some will not like these policies, but people smugglers will understand them. You will also be spared the hypocrisy of the Rudd Government pretending to be one thing while failing to be another.

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    • Eric says:

      05:02am | 08/02/10

      The overuse and misuse the word ‘racist’ has rendered it all but meaningless. It’s difficult to take such name-calling seriously any more - it just reflect the intellectual bankruptcy of those who throw such accusations about.

    • Dan says:

      11:22pm | 08/02/10

      LOL. Eric, when you villify particulary groups based on their religion or enthnicity, then you ARE racist. You don’t like it? Then stop being racist. As for being intellectually bankrupt, you would know all about that.

    • Jeff says:

      11:47am | 15/02/10

      Wrong Dan, Eric makes a valid point based on his observations. 
      Racism is a ‘slur’ against a person or people because of their background (ethnicity) , nothing to do with religion (beliefs/creed).  Ethnic groups can have many different religions being practised within them.  Not liking a particular race or creed does not come into the term racism or racist.  There is a difference.  Keep race and religion separate please.  Your poor attempt at painting the ‘R’ word on anyone that just happens to mention ethnic people in a conversation shows how shallow you are.  This ‘R’ word topic is exactly what Scott was trying to say in his article.  You fit this bill well Dan.  Think next time, for yours and everyone’s sake.

    • N says:

      12:36pm | 15/02/10

      Dan doesn’t like Eric’s beliefs. Dan must be racist. For shame Dan, for shame.

    • Lucy says:

      07:47pm | 15/02/10

      You cares Dan… I certainly don’t.

    • John A Neve says:

      05:55am | 08/02/10

      “You can’t debate immigration without being called a racists”, so what’s to debate?
      Once again a simple issue has been turned into a political football; fact we have signed some treaties and as a result have some obligations. We set a level for entry, we stick to it, enforce it and meet our obligations.
      Immigation in this country has been done to death, have we nothing better to talk about?

    • Craig Hesketh says:

      08:07am | 12/02/10

      why did we sign the treaties in the first place? Australians rights have been signed away numerous times in illegal treaties signed by our politicians. In these acts of treason our government has agreed to a global bureaucracy having power of what is right or wrong in our country.

    • ozharp66 says:

      10:45am | 04/08/10

      Here here John A Neve.  Our economy and our workforce need immigrants.  Boat people are a tiny tiny percentage of people reaching our shores - and yet these brave people have become political footballs.  What a joke.  Scott Morrison’s arguments are ridiculous (like whoever heard of anyone drowning on an aeroplane - give me a break - so they all have to wait for the next nice safe plane?), he’s obviously just pissed off because his favoured right-wing party, Liberal, isn’t in government.

    • Ron Saunders says:

      06:48am | 08/02/10

      you can’t do or say anything these days without being called an racist, why can’t people get real!

    • T.Chong says:

      06:58am | 08/02/10

      “Boats will be turned back” where to Scott?
      IF Rudds same claim was all just an empty promise, and the tuff guy LNP is actually going to do it, then where will theses boats, with humans on board go?
      Are the ruthless people smugglers going to suddenly play legal, turn the boat around and head back, or could the human cargo face the danger of
      disappearing at the hands of the smugglers?
      The 140,000 people in Thailand have been betrayed Scott ?, and the LNP is going to let them all in ?
      As for name calling in parliament, stop sooking Scotty, yur side dishes out the nastiness when it suits. Deputy Leader Bishop even does good imitations of a cat fight.

    • Mel says:

      11:15am | 08/02/10

      Hey Evil please let the Refugee Settlement section of the Immigration Dept know your address so they can send em all round to your place so you can keep them!

    • Matthew da Silva says:

      06:58am | 08/02/10

      Mr Morrison, your firm belief that people who arrive by boats are “illegal” queue jumpers colours all elements of your screed, and until you start to appreciate that ‘asylum-seeker’ is a simple word that means exactly what it denotes, then your opinion will be deprecated by right-thinking citizens.

    • Wake Up says:

      08:09am | 08/02/10

      Matthew, how many Countries do they pass where they can seek asylum? Do you know the short distance the Tamils could travel, where it’s safe to seek asylum? As soon as they pass the first safe haven, they lose their asylum seeker tag. They are Country shoppers, who are out for a free ride at the expense of the Australian tax payer. There is a legal and correct way to seek asylum, and jumping on a boat and sneaking in the back door isn’t the way.

    • murray says:

      03:50pm | 08/02/10

      Ah, and here is the flipside, Scott, demonstrated by user ‘Wake Up’.  You can’t debate immigration without being called a bleeding heart.

    • P says:

      08:03pm | 09/02/10

      Completely agree with Wake Up.  I am a legitimate migrant.  Waited to be notified that I’d been accepted to come to Australia.  We would not dream of doing otherwise.
      To suggest that Sri Lankan illegal immigrants of Tamil ethnicity should bypass Hindu Tamil Nadu in India which is less than 50 kms away, and seek to come to a country comprising a majority white Christian/non religious country for asylum is laughable, if it was not so sad that our politically correct morons were not so fiercely supporting their ‘rights’ to do so and unable to see the absurdity of the argument! Illegal immigrants display their contempt for
      Australian law from day 1, as we saw amply demonstrated over the last two or three months.  If this is how they conduct themselves before they arrive in Australia, does any intelligent people seriously believe they will be law abiding Australians after they get in?

    • Evil says:

      09:30am | 08/02/10

      Wake up, like your nickname says, you better wake up to yourself. Put yourself in their shoes - would you yourself stop at those countries other than Australia when you’ve already gone as far as jumped into a boat? Have you experienced FIRST HAND how those other countries like Indonesia, treat asylum seekers? I suggest you go for a vist in Tanjong Pinang Detention Camp (I doubt you even know what that is) before branding them “country shoppers”.

      Oh they’re out for a free ride on the expense of Australian tax payers?? Well done, this is EXACTLY the double standards I’m talking about. To tell the absolute truth (cross my heart while we’re at it), I’d rather pay for these people than support those single teenage mums, dole bludgers and the all expenses paid overseas trip by government officials!!! At least I know that by investing the money on asylum seekers, they MIGHT turn out to be USEFUL to the society. On the other hand, giving money to teenage moms and dole bludgers only encourages them!!!

    • Wake Up says:

      10:00am | 08/02/10

      Would you like a band aid for that bleeding heart Evil? What absolute dribble. Can you answer any of those questions? How many Countries do they pass where it’s safe to seek asylum? How far do the Tamil’s need to travel to seek asylum? They are Country shoppers, nothing more. All your bleating and ranting won’t change that. The refugees in the camps should be given preference to these illegal queue jumpers. Also, look around at the people in this Country who are struggling. Do you care about them? Charity begins at home Evil.

    • John A Neve says:

      10:52am | 08/02/10

      Having followed this issue for the thousandth or more times and on reading Scott’s post for the second time. What is this all about?

      Most if not all the post here contain the word racist, what has it got to do with this debate?

      Scott talks of drownings,Burma and boat people, why, what do any of them have to do with immigation?

      They are all Red Herrings, you can be racist without migration, people drown every day, thousands travel by boat and what is special about Burma?

      Australia has signed some treaties/agreements, as long as we abide by these what else matters. Each government sets the levels of intake it is prepared to accept, lets just do it and cut all this crap.

    • Wake Up says:

      11:18am | 08/02/10

      Yawn! Visa over stayers are not a financial burden on the tax payer. Once caught, they’re deported. I will agree with you on the single mothers, who just keep pumping out children they can’t and don’t want to look after though. Also the dole bludgers that sit on their ass day after day, with their hands out, something needs to be done about that, definitely. Don’t throw the racist crap at me sunshine, it’s been beaten to death. It’s like water off a ducks back. They’re illegal, queue jumping, Country shoppers, here purely for economical reasons BTW, I’m extremely far from white. Now, would you care to answer my questions?

    • Nate says:

      11:53am | 08/02/10

      Evil - unless you are going to contribute meaningfully to this debate please stop posting

    • Evil says:

      12:21pm | 08/02/10

      Looks like I stepped on a raw nerve there eh wake up? “Don’t throw the racist crap at me sunshine”, “I’m extremely far from white” - why go to such extents on some serious behind covering if you’re not racist? Who cares if you’re red, black or yellow? A racist is a racist no matter how well you sugar coat your words.

      Oh by the way, visa overstayers are not a burden to taxpayers? So who catches them? Its free sending them home? The paperwork and enforcers are volunteers? You sir, is the biggest halfwit I’ve seen today and I’m pretty sure there’s more where you came from.

    • Peter says:

      04:47pm | 08/02/10

      Nr Neve is very selective about his treaties/agreements.
      We went to Vietnam because of a treaty,  but people like Neve said:  “that’s not really a treaty”.

      What is a treaty,  John?  Keating signed a treaty with Indonesia that was never discussed in Parliament.  Is that a treaty,  John?

      Treaties depend on what side of the political fence brings them in.

      Easier to call everyone a racist or redneck if opinions do not agree with the “elite” who think they know better,  rather than debate or allow a vote on the issue.

      Socialist Left thinking,  John.

    • Wake Up says:

      05:09pm | 08/02/10

      Evil, fail. How much does it cost to keep an illegal queue jumper in comparison to a visa over stayer? You still refuse to answer my questions. You lefty nut jobs have no idea. No doubt you’ll come back with some other idiotic rant. Feel free to tell everyone what you know. It should only 30 seconds.

    • John A Neve says:

      06:37am | 09/02/10

      Peter @ 0547hrs,
      Good try, but at no time have I mentioned any of the treaties” you have brought into the debate.
      Why don’t you try and stick to the topic, or is that beyond you?

    • Nate says:

      12:20pm | 09/02/10

      Evil - Your comments are frustrating because any one who expresses concern about immigration is automatically declared a racist.

    • Evil says:

      01:23pm | 10/02/10

      “Evil, fail. How much does it cost to keep an illegal queue jumper in comparison to a visa over stayer? You still refuse to answer my questions. You lefty nut jobs have no idea. No doubt you’ll come back with some other idiotic rant. Feel free to tell everyone what you know. It should only 30 seconds.” - I see you’ve run out of comebacks and have to resort to infantile insults. To answer your question regarding costs, well I cannot tell you how much it costs us taxpayers to nab and send visa overstayers back home because it was NEVER quantified. Though I know for a fact that there are heaps. Just go to any fruit plantations. That comes back to my argument of “double standards”. For you, why arc up about asylum seekers and not visa overstayers? Simply because overstayers are white?

    • Wake Up says:

      04:44pm | 10/02/10

      Is it really necessary to repeat everything that has been said to you Evil? You would be rather amusing if you weren’t so sad.  As I’ve stated, you really have no idea. You can call me racist until you’re blue in the face, it means absolutely nothing. As for infantile insults, may I suggest that you go and read through your comments, not just to myself, and you’ll find that you wear that label. Now, run along and play with your Lego. The grown ups are talking.

    • Evil says:

      10:54am | 08/02/10

      And have you answered my questions, wake up? You need a flag to tie around your neck to hide the fact that you’re racist? I brand you a racist because you don’t seem to have a problem with those English or American visa overstayers or those teenage moms and dole bludgers leeching OUR money but is whining about a few asylum seekers just because they’re non-white. Don’t need to try to hide it, we all can see it through your sheep skin.

      “Charity starts at home”? EXACTLY. I pay my taxes so teenage moms and juvenlie delinquents can continue to use MY money for boob jobs and grog.

    • Ron Roberts says:

      11:40am | 08/02/10

      It has in fact been Kevin Rudd who has used the term “illegals” in reference to people trying to come to Australia by boat, whether genuine refugees or not.

      Please get it right when you’re handing out your criticism.

      Almost from the day Kevin Rudd changed the laws the boats have come. Change the laws back to what they were and i dare say we might actual getting an orderly situation in place again. That means that people in Sri Lanka and elsewhere waiting patiently in line are not pushed further to the back of the queue….

    • cats says:

      10:51am | 10/02/10

      Martin Milne,
      I don’t think the opposition rant about boat people because they are racist - they just know that it will win them votes with racist australians, which is a huge amount.

    • Dan Lewis says:

      09:04am | 15/02/10

      You are such a classy lady, Marilyn.

      Copped any conjugal visits at Baxter lately?

      Those poor, poor detainees.

    • Marilyn Shepherd says:

      11:49am | 08/02/10

      Rudd was wrong, he did not change the law, and people can’t wait in Sri Lanka you fool.    They are fleeing Sri Lanka and sailing straight here.

      The law is “everyone has the right to come to Australia and claim asylum”.  The policy is how we treat them and the detention policy is illegal and ridiculous.

      And for christ’s sake what is our fucking problem with some people coming by sea?  Our ancestors did it.

      Changing the policy to include tear gas, water cannons and ongoing abuse of refugees does not change the law.

    • James says:

      12:08pm | 08/02/10

      Funny that.  At the time Barton supposedly said those things, there was no such thing as Australian nationality.  All Australians were British.  Except Aborigines of course, they didn’t count.

    • Martin Milne says:

      12:16pm | 08/02/10

      None of the countries that the Tamils pass before they reach Australia are signatories to the United Nations Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees, which mean they have no legal obligation to accept refugees, so the Tamils can’t claim asylum in those countries. That is why they try to reach Australia because we, quite rightly, have signed the convention and, once again quite rightly, have a legal duty to accept refugees.

      The fact that Scott and the rest of the coalition want to spend do much time talking about a few thousand boat arrivals from Asia, rather that tens of thousands of white Europeans that work illegally and over stay their visas shows that they are racist.

    • Chewy says:

      12:18pm | 08/02/10

      Well said Scott, well said. So many in the left dont get it, by wanting to be humane you can have the opposite effect. I also believe our finite refugee places should go to the most deserving not to those who have the financial means to get here.

    • Grid says:

      01:34pm | 08/02/10

      Untill you accept that these people come here ILLEGALY you are blinded. Sure theyre seeking asylm, there just doing it in an illegal manner. At least the ones in planes have to have passports and visas to get in. Easier to find them when we have to.

    • Jack says:

      07:18am | 08/02/10

      Well written and spot on Scott.

    • John A Neve says:

      09:14am | 08/02/10

      Jack,
      “Well written and spot on”, can you explain your comment jack?

    • Paul says:

      07:24am | 08/02/10

      Geez and refugees and kids were being called ‘queue-jumpers’ and ‘illegals’, with some encouragement from elements in your party. And you got up from a warm bed and a hot coffee to complain about being called rascist? Stop being a sook Scott.  There is little difference between exploiting refugees for smuggling or as political footballs. And Aussie ‘fairness’ condemns both.  I don’t want to see that part of our anti - humanitarian and the *expensive* War on Boatpeople, history repeated again, it’s internationally embaressing.

    • Patrick says:

      07:23am | 08/02/10

      A better title would have been “The Coalition cannot debate immigration without blowing the dog whistle at the same time”

    • T.Chong says:

      07:59am | 08/02/10

      Agree 100% Pat.

    • DT says:

      07:26am | 08/02/10

      “Where we differ is allowing places in our humanitarian programme to be exhausted by those who pay for the services of people smugglers in preference to those offshore in camps.  I believe it violates our sense of fairness.”

      Absolutely, and why would anyone support people smugglng. John Neve refers to treaties and obligations, so?

      Australia resettles genuine refugees at the rate of some 13,000 per annum via the UNHCR and has an immigration programme. The smuggler’s paying passengers have sailed from countries they entered carrying passports, where there are UNHCR offices to register with and have destroyed their ID to hide their backgrounds from Australian authorities. They should not be granted visas because doing so encourages more of them to risk the sea voyage and line people smuggler’s pockets with what amounts to small fortunes where the passengers started out from.

      The government made a huge mistake by effectively encouraging people smuggling when they changed the system in 2008.

    • iansand says:

      07:26am | 08/02/10

      The problem is that the Coalition has chosen to politicise boat people for their own electoral ends and have done it in a way that attracts some rather nasty participants. 

      Boat people are refugees.  As you acknowledge with your Burmese example refugee policy is generally bi-partisan.  It should be kept so.  Instead of using the issue to score electoral points both sides should sit down, work out a solution and stick to it.  That would put the redneck underbelly where it should be - as an irrelevant minority instead of at the forefront of the ways that the parties seek to differentiate themselves.

    • Anonymous says:

      07:36am | 08/02/10

      Our views and resolve have not changed. Well, ya got that right. You cant debate fridge magnets without being called a terrorist. Same ol fear and smear from Australias rightwingnuttery party. Go away, far, far away.

    • Nic says:

      08:02am | 08/02/10

      Excellent article Scott and so true. The old racist, redneck rant is meaningless to me now. You make an excellent point in saying ’ Around 140,000 Burmese refugees are in nine camps along the Thai-Burma border. They began arriving there in the early eighties. Today people who were born in these camps are now raising their own children there, where rape, domestic violence and substance abuse are commonplace ‘. I’m forever being told there’s no queue, but clearly there is. These illegals take the place of these people, they have longer to wait because they are genuine asylum seekers, who can’t afford the $10,000 or $15,000 to pay these smugglers, it’s so unfair. Give them food, water, fuel, turn their boats around and send them back the same way they came. Rudd is a total halfwit, and I can’t wait for him to be kicked out on his ass. Abbott will win so many votes because of Rudd’s gutless stance on this issue alone. Rudd is a complete imbecile.

    • Adam says:

      08:11am | 08/02/10

      How do refugees come up with $5,000-$20,000? I would struggle to come up with that much for each member of my family.

    • Davido says:

      11:12am | 08/02/10

      Yes, the Howard government did some idiotic things. Some of the changes to immigration law had profound and unintended consequences.

      1. They changed the law so that entering the country without authorisation was not an illegal act.

      2. The changes to the law meant you are not longer considered to automatically become a citizen in this country just because you are born here.

    • Steve Smith says:

      08:17am | 08/02/10

      For those who are complaining about being called a racist while ‘debating’ immigration, maybe you need to look at how your debating?

    • Damien says:

      12:16am | 19/04/10

      Steve, I totally agree.Dont make comment unless you have really thought about the situation in an open minded manner.

    • Voxpop says:

      08:40am | 08/02/10

      Yes Scott - sadly I heard you on talk back radio about this visit of yours.  And while most of the redneck, racist attitude came from the shock jock himself, by agreeing with him and prostituting yourself to his hate filled rant you place yourself sqarely in his corner.  There were glaringly obvious misrepresentations made by this shock jock but rather than pull him up on it you align yourself with his position and that rightly earns you the condemnation you deserve (coward, dog whistling self promotion - low rent bottom feeder).

    • The Drover says:

      08:44am | 08/02/10

      Anyone who can afford to fly halfway around the world and then pay $15000 to get on a boat and get to Xmas island is not in my view the classic refugee that some of you leftoids are trying to make out. Most of this is being encouraged by their relatives already in Australia who send them the money, (most of which has been handed to them by Aus taxpayers thru Social security benefits). Their told get to Xmas and your in, meanwhile thousands of others sit in miserable refugee camps only to be excluded because some cashed up que jumpers can tell a sob story and take those places.

    • Marilyn Shepherd says:

      11:42am | 08/02/10

      Last year the UNHCR had over 500,000 people who needed urgent care, they could only refer 125,000 of the to western nations because we are mean and ugly, only 6,000 of them will be accepted here.

      Last year 47,800 applied, only 10,800 were accepted.  If they really were the most in need we would have accepted all of them.

      The reality is that a Burmese person who has been in another country safe for 25 years is not in the same urgent “need” for protection as an Afghan Hazara fleeing a war today.

      And what does paying have to do with it?  Everyone has to pay to come here.

      Would you prefer to pay you fool?  And here is a newsflash Morrison forgot to mention.  Almost none of the boats go straight to Xmas, 85% go to Ashmore or almost to the mainland.

    • Lou says:

      05:56pm | 08/02/10

      Clearly on Centrelink you get enough money to have 15 grand to send away. You would be lucky to get that much in total in a year.

      You are not jumping a queue if there is no such structure in your country of origin. Hey why don’t we just make like the Americans and sit at the border with guns, now that’s a solution!

      Maybe we should stop wasting taxpayers money on education for people that cannot even be bothered to type out full words on a keyboard and give it to all the dole bludging foregners… Don’t worry, you’ll get ‘thru’ it.

    • eye4aneye says:

      04:45pm | 10/02/10

      Marilyn - if we accept everyone here, here soon becomes as bad as there.

      I for one don’t want that - are we in a lucky country? yes and we need to strive to keep it that wat through rational (and I agree sometimes cold-hearted) immigration controls.

    • Dr Hugh Jorgan says:

      08:45am | 08/02/10

      Patriotic is the actual word. Maybe we don’t want to be over run with minority groups trying to change our way of life. In their country, change their way of life and they don’t call you racist, the shoot you. Why is it only white people that are called racist. If you gatecrash a party and drink the beer and eat the food , don’t you think you are going to be evicted.

    • James says:

      09:14am | 08/02/10

      Dr Jorgan’s little rant here is why it is so difficult to debate immigration without being called a racist.  Many people use the immigration debate to basically say “I don’t want brown people coming to my country”.

    • Dan says:

      11:08pm | 10/02/10

      Richard, you sicken me. Unlike Australia, most of the ME countries are NOT liberal democracies, so there is no comparison. As for Europe, do you have any idea how racist the Europeans are? And who cares if the immigrants become the majority? You ARE racist, and I would never vote for whom you vote for!  Disgusting!

    • Richard says:

      09:40am | 08/02/10

      Could not agree more.  Try living in the Middle East and criticising the way of life there.  You’ll be asked to leave.  If you were a Bangladeshi cleaner working in a Middle Eastern country you would be subject to more racist treatment than you would ever receive here. 

      We (most of us) go out of our way when visiting (or working in) countries with different cultures to understand the way of life and not offend.  I wish some of our visitors (read migrants) here would do the same.  And it’s not racism, but a request for the understanding we would or should show when amongst other cultures.

      What Dr Hugh says is correct, these minority groups do want us to adopt to fit their way of life, it should be the other way around.  And as is happening in Europe, these minority groups become majority groups through immigration.  Be careful who you vote for.

    • Evil says:

      09:59am | 08/02/10

      Fairdinkum, are you really fair dinkum about your statement? I find it hard to believe that they are based on actual facts. Matter of fact, argue as you might, they are all hearsay.

      You see, a lot of professions have a governing body to ensure work is all up to standards. For example, engineering have IEAUST, accounting have CA or ACA or Architecture have RAIA to ensure professionals are all up to industry standards. Yes, they can have dubious degrees from their home country but all have to go through these governing bodies approval before they are allowed to stay or even work. Oh and they have to have decent english to pass those professional body’s interviews.

      Thats 2 of your arguments down, 1 more to go - they can’t understand our culture. That is the lamest and weakest excuse an Aussie can use. Put it this way, they don’t have to enjoy cricket, saturday arvo barbie or enjoy drinking till they pass out to “understand our culture”. I really don’t see a problem if they are law abiding residents.

    • Nate says:

      11:57am | 08/02/10

      Evil - Why are you still posting?? You criticize other people for not citing facts, but have you read your comments. They are as emotive and illogical as you can get. You are attacking people for expressing their views and pretty much labeling them as uneducated red neck racists. Stop condemning people based on your very small minded justifications

    • Evil says:

      12:25pm | 08/02/10

      Nate, thats the oldest trick in the book - if all else fails, totally disregard what the opponent says or brand them as rubbish, then substitute with your own words.

    • Ricky says:

      12:59pm | 08/02/10

      Well said Hugh.I couldnt agree more.

    • The Bear says:

      12:44pm | 09/02/10

      Patriotism, racism - call it what you like, a fact is still a fact. Political correctness will be the death of us.  By accepting these noisy ethnic minority groups and rewarding them for invading our territory,  the Federal Government is practising reverse racism by skimming over the needs of Caucasian citizens and tax-payers of long standing to fund the gatecrashers.  Like others here, I can’t believe these people are genuine refugees.  We should use some gun boat diplomacy around Ashmore Reef and other illegal entry points and send them back.

    • Anon says:

      04:09pm | 19/04/10

      This is so very true, minorities and their needs and whom can win their vote for run this country, they can call us whatever they want, they get special treatment, they get more help, they get interpreters, even road driving tests in their “own” language, they can have non english speaking people attending their shops, they can discriminate against people whom do not speak their language when hiring for that shop BUT they’re not racist as they belong to a “minority group” and therefore majority isn’t allowed to say anything about it because, as the article says, we’re branded racists if we do.

      Let’s drop the racist card which is so over used of late and just take care of our own, such as farmers who are doing it tough, such as our hospitals, our roads, our education system, as well as the people who come to this country abiding by its laws and regulations, the queue jumpers should be sent right back to send a clear message that Australia will not accept law breakers or being held for ransom by threatening to blow up a boat or hunger strikes.

      In today’s paper there’s a very good article that shows this from the very mouth of a recognised assylum seeker whom decided to come illegally as he just didn’t want to wait his turn… he admits this himself. Hence, should be sent back to where he came from. Full stop.

      http://www.smh.com.au/national/a-cry-for-help-from-behind-villawoods-wire-fence-x2026-20100417-slha.html

      “He said he would have preferred to arrive in Australia legally but, after waiting two years in Indonesia, he met many legal refugees who had been waiting more than nine years to be resettled in Australia.”

    • Gavin says:

      08:45am | 08/02/10

      I must have missed the hand wringing from the Howard government when the SIEV X sunk and 353 people lost their lives. I wonder if Mr. Morrison blamed the then Government’s policies for emcouraging that particular boat to set sail to Australia?

    • Gupta says:

      09:05am | 08/02/10

      Gavin, the then government didn’t have policies that encouraged SIEVX. That’s the whole point. The then government was largely successful in getting the boats to stop.

    • persephone says:

      09:28am | 08/02/10

      Er, Gupta, yes they did.

      The TPVs didn’t allow genuine refugees to apply to have their families join them legally in the way that citizenship does.

      So their families tried to join them illegally (and you would think the Liberals, who tote their family friendliness, would understand the risks that families are prepared to take to be together).

      This is why the SIEV X’s passengers were disproportionately women and children…and why the Liberals were quite happy to let the legislation eliminating TPVs to go through the parliament uncontested, as debates on the issue would have highlighted their responsibility for these deaths.

    • Flyer says:

      10:32am | 08/02/10

      Troubles with self assessment of suitability of migration to a nation that requires high level skills need to be considered. Poor migration choices are not good for either migrant or this country. If people do vote to allow self assessed migrants/asylum seekers in then they should also allow debate of the possible social dysfunctional results such as ethnic gangs or unemployment/underemployment being debated without being called racist. It is not for the benefit of the asylum seeker/refugee/migrant to be socially left behind, the only benefit is for some to be able say I am not racist..not sure the struggling taxi driver with a medical degree is all that grateful for such shallow sentiment. They have false hopes far too often. Better intake controls leads to more rewarding futures for migrants and we should stop listening to to rants of racist because in essence that is to make some guilty white people feed their ego rather than be a positive for migrants themselves. very selfish.

    • george says:

      08:59am | 08/02/10

      SIEV X sank in Indonsesian waters, not Australian.

      And Rudd clearly has no idea what to do about the massive increase in the number of boats arriving in Australian waters. It would appear his only policy is to not talk about it.

      But then again, that’s Rudd all over.

    • Marilyn Shepherd says:

      11:45am | 08/02/10

      SIEVX did not sink in Indonesian waters, it sank in international waters with Australian planes flying over head and boats watching people die.

      Indonesian waters are the same as ours in law - 12 nm from the coastline.

      SIEVX sank 80km from Indonesia, a P3 Orion was stalled in the area of sinking for 2 hours according to the RAAF’s own charts and the rescue boat has been whited out of their official records.

      Not to mention of course that they sent a report showing that the boat had left, was overloaded and in danger of sinking and was overdue.

      So much for not knowing anything about it.

      And there is nothing to talk about.  The law is enshrined and has been for 56 years.

      So get over it.

    • James says:

      09:08am | 08/02/10

      “Where are the public protests about the fate of these 105 Afghans and the policies that encouraged them to get on that boat?”

      By which I assume you mean the policies of the Taliban…  As I am certain that those policies would affect the decisions of Afghan asylum seekers far more than the decision to process asylum seekers on one island rather than another.

    • Pussy's Bow says:

      11:31pm | 20/06/10

      James - did you stop to think that most of the Afghans arriving are men (leaving their families behind) and that maybe they should stay in their own country fighting alongside OUR soldiers to attain a better life for themselves. Seems to me they are like rats deserting a sinking ship to live on the Australian tax dollar. Many of them never work for years, have heaps of kids (how many dollars a pop?) to eventually achieve a Muslim Australia. Wake up!

    • L. says:

      09:16am | 08/02/10

      Just a quick thought, but where is it actually cast in stone that humans are not “racist” by genetic pre-disposition? I suspect that we as a species are strongly suspicious of anyone different as a evolved survival mechanism. Lets face it, “civilised western society” and “leftist’ thinking is really only a couple of hundred years old. That doesn’t mean we have to be cross burning hood wearers, but it does make me wonder if multi-culturalism is doomed to fail from the outset.

      Can anyone name a country where multi-culturalism actually works without complaint?

      Thought not.

    • James says:

      10:03am | 08/02/10

      Here is a story which goes some way towards showing that racism is a learned behaviour.  When my daughter was in preschool, she had a Sudanese refugee girl in her group named Achok.  I once asked my daughter if she played with the African girl in her preschool.  My daughter looked utterly blank, and had no idea what I meant.  So I said, “The Sudanese girl, the dark skinned one.”  Still, she had no idea.  Then my partner joined the conversation, saying “Dad means Achok, do you play with Achok?”  Immediately, my daughter’s eyes lit up, and she said, “Yes of course, we play all the time.”  I thought it was wonderful that she did not see her ethnicity or colour as being relevant.  This little girl was just a person to her, just Achok.  There is something we could all learn from that.

    • Phil says:

      10:08am | 08/02/10

      L

      Think your on to something here, but no one will ever agree. The lefties see this as a great way to increase their base vote.

      Having said that many nationalities have fit into our society in the main. We respect their cultural heritage and they generally respect ours.

      It is when the cultures clash that problems occur. Life in many of the countries from which the refugees/immigrants now come from is not valued in the same light as it is here.

    • DG says:

      10:34am | 08/02/10

      I think this is the difference between feelings and behaviours. Essentially society says that you are allowed to feel and think all of the sadistic, racist, deviant or taboo things you want. You are however required to BEHAVE in a certain way.

      Does it matter whether you are genetically racist or learn to be racist? It is the behaviour that is the issue not the feelings. If a person does not have control over their behaviour perhaps they need to be locked up for their own (and societies protection).

      The reality is that far too many people let their “feelings” determine their behaviour rather than thinking about their actions and considering how their choices affect others.

    • persephone says:

      10:51am | 08/02/10

      Britain has always been a multi cultural country.

      The Union Jack represents four cultures. The term ‘Anglo Saxon’ is derived from two German tribal names - the original Anglo Saxons were immigrants from these areas. They were among the many ‘waves’ of immigrants who over ran the originial population.

      Similarly, any look at ‘English’ surnames shows a diversity of cultural backgrounds - Dutch, German, French, Flemish.

      Many elements of British and therefore Australian culture came to Britain from other countries.

      It can be argued that these cultures were similar enough to allow this merging to be far more painless to society than the merging, say, of Africans into Australian culture, but that ignores the very real barriers of language and understanding that existed at the time.

      It obviously wasn’t always a peaceful process, but the different cultural backgrounds allowed Brits to pick and choose the elements that suited them, encouraged social mobility (easier in a society which isn’t stullified by a fixed status quo)  and led to the (past) glories of the Empire.

    • Di says:

      11:21am | 08/02/10

      Taking your argument to its conclusion; we are all ‘out of Africa’ so whether you be English, French, German…it’s a fanciful argument, but holds little water in 2010.  It seems that Australia is the first prize for third world residents and that ain’t gonna change mate.

    • persephone says:

      11:47am | 08/02/10

      Di

      You should always look at comments in context; mine was to point out that multi culturalism is in fact the basis of Western civilisation. From the time of Rome onwards, successful empires have been multicultural in nature.

      Far from being the first prize for third world residents, we are a relative backwoods for them. Far more refugees from the third world seek refuge in countries on the other side of the Mediterranean, such as Italy and Spain.

      I think even Britain has more each year than we do - and they have to go through a lot more countries to get there.

    • Grid says:

      02:39pm | 08/02/10

      We have a multicutral world. It works great and we have millennia after millennia of war to prove it.
      What idiot thought we could change that so easily.

    • Fred says:

      09:17am | 08/02/10

      Scott you talk about Rudd’s policies that have encouraged all these people - but what policies would the coalition put in place to stop this?  I hope you’re not talking about the Complementary Protection visas.  Because they don’t helo anyone and even people in your party would cross the floor if that’s what you introduced.

    • Evil says:

      09:17am | 08/02/10

      You CAN debate immigration but unfortunately, this has been tarred by REAL racists who hides behind “free speech” and “patriotism” to spread their hatred. I.E People who publicly declare they despise and don’t think multicultarism will work but then went on to sugarcoat their words so they don’t appear to be racists.

      Not to mention the double standards that exists in the immigration system now. Career crims from the UK comes into Australia, permanent residency is granted, no questions asked. What about those Croatian cretins that crawled out of the woodwork at the recent Melbourne cup? What’s with those Nazi salutes? And yet, no one makes a sound. Some local morons even supports them!

      Yes, you can debate immigration and asylum seekers. But first, get rid of the double standards.

    • George says:

      12:06pm | 08/02/10

      Ah Marilyn, a healthy dose of angry pills today I see.

      I thought you were going to leave the country to go and live in Canada last time Howard was elected?

      Tell me, is Rudd doing a good job with his head in the sand approach to refugee boats?

    • Di says:

      07:51pm | 08/02/10

      How do u get so many posts up?? Evil by name Evil by nature - it seems that no-one can have a debate on racism; no-one wants that - what most of us do want is a rational debate on the number of immigrants being allowed into this country - have you been to the UK lately? - Brixton; Leeds?  or to Muslim strongholds in the north of England? That’s what I am talking about - in the Swedish press they are concerned; the Italians are concerned; The French are very vocal on their concerns;  you don’t have to look far to find ppl worried about their own countries being swamped by eastern european and asian migration (illegal or not) it’s a valid argument every country is entitled to have.  I suggest you use your transparent sarcastic wit to write to the present Gov and ask them why our immigration scheme is such a mess and why the old ‘R’ word is out of its cage again. Australians are no more racist than say, Japanese or Indian’s who despise anyone not of their caste? etc etc - Besides, Multiculturarism is dead in the water, was a catch phrase much abused by Al Grasby et al.  It was a phrase that might as well say; we are bringing in 2 Million Italians, Greeks, Turks, and to make you (Aussies) like it we’ll dress it up in a new dress and call it Multiculturalism…By your written English, I’d say you haven’t been here all that long; do some research first then have an informed debate on this issue

    • fairdinkum says:

      09:20am | 08/02/10

      How is the immigration policy racist? It is high time we get real. Stopping these dubious overseas students migrating through back door is not racist. Their English is poor, they have fake qualifications and they do not understand our culture.

      It is only common sense that we take people with good English and real qualifications. It that is racist so be it.

    • Cuppa says:

      01:11pm | 08/02/10

      Well said fairdinkum.Not to mention i would rather my taxes be spent on our struggling old age pensioners than some immigrant who is hoping for a free ride on our welfare system(& their are plenty of them). Mny of them cant speak English, & have no intention of learning(i have met migrants who dont speak our language after 25 years).How can they contribute to Australia if they cant even speak our language..?

    • DG says:

      09:20am | 08/02/10

      If only we could have politicians removed from their seat (yes I mean seat, not just from the house, removed from their seat) for making ad hominem arguments, with suspension for other similar logical fallacies such as straw man arguments and the likes.

    • Super D says:

      09:25am | 08/02/10

      There is so much nonsense spouted on border protection.  From the perspective of would be economic migrants, which most boat arrivals are, its a simple value equation.

      The value of arrival in Australia = Cost x likelihood of settlement.

      Under the previous regime the likelihood of settlement was close to 0 and hence the value of arrival was alose 0.  Now that the likelihood of settlement has increased, so has the value of arrival.

      The only way therefore to reduce arrivals is to once again reduce the likelihhod of settlement to 0 or to significantly increase the cost - perhaps by purchasing excess boats that would otherwise be suitable for trips to Australia.

      Now I don’t blame the arrivals at all.  They are simply acting in what they regard to be their own self interest.  If Australia finds itself engulfed in a civil war or even an eco-dictatorship I will sell up and try to find a better life for me and my family.

      This is a very hard policy, it’s basically impossible to stop people from coming when you are nice to the people who arrive.  It certainly doesn’t help when the government of the day is prepared to tell complete lies regarding the impacts of their policy.

    • Rasputin says:

      09:28am | 08/02/10

      Scott Morrison, a great article. Trust me, you are voicing how most Australians feel about the Asylum Seekers situation.  A lot of people are doing it really tough, in this country at the moment and when you start mentioning the amount of our taxes required to keep these unwanted people on Christmas Island, it makes me very angry. 
      Rudd has not protected our borders as is required by the leader of a country.  We will eventually be rife with diseases that were eradicated years ago through tight immigration.  Australians don’t “Overpopulate”  This is about to change.    This will be the end of the decent life we have all been lucky enough to live.

    • Cuppa says:

      01:14pm | 08/02/10

      Couldnt agree more Rasputin.Personally, just about every person i know would agree with you.

    • Carl Palmer says:

      03:13pm | 08/02/10

      Also agree rasputin. The disease bit has already started.

      The xmas Island bill is $130mil and climbing….scary. I think it’s called policy on the run….......

    • H of SA says:

      09:48am | 08/02/10

      Ah, the dog whistle again. Every time it comes out is pushes the chance of my vote away

    • Bob Gray says:

      09:56am | 08/02/10

      It would all stop if they just put the next lot on a plane back to where-ever they came from. The money could then be spent in assessing those refugees world-wide for migration to Australia. They could be selected on most needy and those who would best fit into Australian society. This would be fair and take “racism” out of the debate, (also doing the “body smugglers” out of the game.  John Howard had it half-way there.

    • RickofMelb says:

      09:56am | 08/02/10

      Good to see some people showing Australian flags on their cars on Australia day. However, this is futile, this country is soulless and nothing but a transient hub to do business! Waving the Australian Flag now is about like Custard’s last stand of defience. It’s only going to get worse from here, Australia’s best is well and truly behind it!

      Your wasting your breath on this debate. For those who wave the flag in the face off these elite elected because it’s irrelevant, just get on with doing business

    • AFR says:

      10:36am | 08/02/10

      Custard’s last stand? Defending the rights of desserts?

    • James says:

      10:00am | 08/02/10

      You may want to model our society on those of the Middle East, but I prefer liberal democracy.  Thus I will not be using the Middle East as an example of how Australia should behave.

    • DWest says:

      10:27am | 08/02/10

      Scott, you and Howard actually fed unrest, mass refugee movement and people smuggling, with your costly war adventures in the middle east. Have you visited the scene of those refugee camps, limbless children from the cluster bombing and the consequences of your schizophrenic ‘compassion’? I doubt it - you need to grow up mate.  It would also be nationally helpful if you put this amount of effort and money into infrastructure and population planning.

    • Super D says:

      10:32am | 08/02/10

      Based on that logic persephone the current policy which does allow for family reunions is better, though we should allow for eventual family reunions when we tally the numbers taking the to over 5000.

    • Harquebus says:

      10:45am | 08/02/10

      Entering Australia illegally is a crime so, why aren’t illegal entrants charged and convicted? If I don’t pay a parking fine, I go to jail.
      BTW. There is only one race, the human races.

    • ace says:

      10:57am | 08/02/10

      You need to do some research. Entering without a visa is not a ‘crime’, it just that you are liable to be detained and deported if you can not prove your right to remain. That right can be proven by asserting Australia’s obligation to protect you, as per our obligations under the refugees convention and our own Migration Act.

    • H of SA says:

      11:24am | 08/02/10

      Agree with Ace, its been a long time since Tampa and people really should know if its illegal or not by now - which it isn’t. Any person has a right to arrive onshore and request political asylum.

    • Harquebus says:

      11:51am | 08/02/10

      Thanks for that. My apologies.

    • COF says:

      10:52am | 08/02/10

      Yeah, yeah. It’s a wedge issue that is likely to incite polemic discussion. Call them bleeding hearts back if you like.

      It is the nature of a conservative platform to oppose immigration, that’s what conservatism is, opposition to change - change that is virtually guaranteed with cross cultural immigration.

      I understand the argument behind “queue jumping” but it seems those that make this argument aren’t for a more civilised approach to processing legal and illegal immigrants, they are for the restriction of immigrants. Therefore boat people are the least of your worries as the majority of immigrants arrive by plane, both legally and illegally.

      In short Scott, both sides of politics need to be a bit more fair dinkum in what you want to acheive with this issue - if you follow the populist path you are going to get called names. Try looking for a real and civilised solution to this if such as a solution is required (I don’t even know if it is).

      RickofMelb, hate to be a stickler mate, but it was Custer, and he fought his last stand against the indigenous population rather than immigrants.

      As far as Australia’s best being behind it, our HDI is the second highest in the world (it is has been comparatively rising for the last decade), crime RATE (not total crime) is perpetually going downwards since the early 90s, and our economic growth is one of the best in the OECD - light years ahead of Japan, one of the most racially homogenous nations on earth. We’ve got very little to complain about yet - and if we did, immigrants would stop coming here, wouldn’t they?

    • Jenny says:

      10:52am | 08/02/10

      Hey Evil at least it is the teenage mums and dole bludgers birth right to be here! How about all the welfare that goes to over breeding Sudanese, Somalians etc. They regularly have more than 10 children. Haven’t heard of too many Aussie single mums having that many kids (and I used to work for Centrelink).  They never get out of the taxpayers pocket. They get priority for public housing before Australian citizens. Why would they want to move out? Cheap rent when the rest of Australia pays enormous rent.  Do some research and find out just how much of a drain refugees are on our economy. Only a small fraction become any kind of benefit to this country. Why? Because it’s too easy to sit back and live on welfare. It will take generations before they assimilate properly. And then don’t get me started about the Pacific Islanders who come here unregulated! Arrgh no wonder our children are stuck in overcrowded classrooms! To be honest, my compassion only goes so far. Africa will always be a toilet and nothing the West does will change it. Same goes for all these other countries where ILLEGALS are flocking from. Their countries are crap because of the people in them! They’ll keep killing each other til the end of time. Why? Because they are racist, intolerant and hateful to each other. Their thinking hasn’t evolved since the dark ages. But oh no it’s only us white folks who have the franchise on racism.  I’m sick of Western countries being expected to pick up the pieces because other cultures can’t get their shit together and stop killing and fighting with each other. If the world would just friggin get over itself and get on we wouldn’t have this problem. Aarrggh we have one life, and buggered if I’m going to waste it being at war with someone.

    • ace says:

      11:03am | 08/02/10

      Oh dear, Scott - Jenny has, unintentionally I assume, just shown exactly they type of people who are drawn to the coalition’s border protection policy. I don’t think you are racist, Scott, but I think Jenny is.

    • H of SA says:

      11:08am | 08/02/10

      These kinds of articles and the politiking of asylum seekers bring up the issue of the dog whistle and fear campaigns which are becoming part of the Liberal party brand.

      Considering this article its interesting to see Dr. Hewson nailing them in the drum today for this fear based approach:

      http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/stories/s2812572.htm

      In case anyone should be concerned about Dr. Hewson blindly attacking his party he also nails Keating for doing the same thing.

      Question is do we as Australians deserve better from our major parties than fear campaigns?

      It seems that parties have taken a hint from the fiction of Terry Goodkind.

      “People are stupid. They will believe a lie either because they hope its true or becasue they fear that its true”

      Personally I say enough, you won’t get my vote till you throw out the dog whistle. I see no point in changing one group of fear peddlars for another. Why go through the upheavel of changing incumbent governments just so we can replace one frightened spin machine with another?

      With the Liberal party now so entreanched in a culture of fear and hatred to minorities, what is the point of granting them government? They win and beat the nasty corrupt Labor party…...then what? What do they actually stand for besides making us afraid of the scary people who arrive in boats?

    • Cam says:

      12:03pm | 08/02/10

      Perhaps Evil it’s because Centrelink workers are seeing the reality of the situation, not just the warm and fuzzy. Hand out enough cash and freebies and you’ll start feeling all bitter and hard inside too. Work out the entitlements of a couple with 12 kids and you start to wonder why you bother going to work just to pay tax to keep these people. Yeah there’s a lot of home grown bludgers, losers and welfare dependants, but we don’t need to overload our system with them. We can’t afford it.

    • Carl Palmer says:

      12:56pm | 08/02/10

      @ Super D says: 10:25am | 08/02/10

      Spot on comment. If the “refugees – people smugglers” call them what you will believe that the likelihood of success is high, then the risk becomes acceptable – even in a leaky boat. If it isn’t then they will think long and hard before they part with their cash. Demand will fall and the people smugglers trade dries up.
      It is an emotive issue but a firmer hand needs to be applied (give the bleeding hearts a break) because the cost of this exercise is heading north. At some point in time it will have to stop so that we can get “the balance right”.

      Finally - not the racist thing again… This is truly a first class joke.  As Louis McLennan says: 06:27am | 04/02/10 in response to the “My Southern Cross tattoo now brands me as a racist” article, “It’s alright. Most people can’t define racism”.
      Yep most can’t.

    • NJ says:

      04:39pm | 08/02/10

      Ah yes the so-called ‘dog whistle’.

      Translation: ‘I think you’re racist, I know you’re racist, I haven’t got any proof whatsoever but I just know it for sure damnit you are racist! It has to be true! So I’ll just use a term that implies racism’.

      Dog whistle: a substitute for reality.

    • Evil says:

      11:18am | 08/02/10

      Ahhh, Ace beat me to it. On ya.

      Its funny, almost every other person with racist views claims they worked (WORKED no WORKS) in Centrelink. Very weak attempt at covering their racist behinds.

    • Jenny says:

      11:31am | 08/02/10

      Yes I guess I am racist ace. So what? I’m a blonde haired white caucasian female who is sick of feeling uncomfortable around men from certain countries. Just because they are here doesn’t mean they have left their attitudes towards women behind. I won’t visit their countries because I don’t like they way they treat their women. So why should I be made to feel uncomfortable here in my own land? Actually I can’t be completely racist because I have a lot of compassion for our own indigenous people, in fact my last boyfriend was Aborginal. But I think our priority is to help our own indigneous and needy people before everyone else. The sooner our indigenous population enjoys the same standards of living, health, education and life expentancy as the rest of the country, the sooner our country will prosper. Hell they could contribute in a way that would negate the need for a lot of immigration. By the way ace i used to be an Immigration Officer too, so I’ve probably got a better insight than you or many others. Oh and my father was a post-war Displaced Person too by the way. No free ride for him or many others. Forced work for the government out in the middle of nowhere for the first two years after his arrival. No freebies, no welfare, nothing. The only thing he was given was permission to come here. So basically ace I don’t give a shit what anybody thinks about me and my attitudes. Last time I checked their weren’t thought Police although I’m sure the looney left would love that! I will continue to hold my own opinions of certain races, as I’m sure they do of me and mine. I certainly don’t burn effigies or go out and bash someone because they are different, or attend racist rallies. Let’s face it, people of every race dislike other races all around the world. Doesn’t make it right, but it’s never going to go away. I’m just sick of white people being accused of being the only ones. One only has to look at what black Africans are doing to each other on a daily basis to be disillusioned.

    • AliceC says:

      11:58am | 08/02/10

      Well Jenny, I’m assuming you got all your facts from all the groups of people you mentioned above from unbiased, reliable sources???? I think not.

      Speaking of birth rights, the only reason we (i.e. white people) are here is because of the British invasion. And before you say ‘That’s all in the past, get over it’, then why don’t you get over the fact that Australia is multi cultural and better off for it. The only trouble I have ever experienced has been with white Australian males, who can be rude, ignorant, and violent. This did not make me hateful towards all white men, because that would be illogical.

      This is the same as tarring different racial groups with the same brush from one or two bad experiences.

      The bottom line is, if you paid a great deal of money to get on a dodgy boat and travel half way around the world, what was the situation back in your home country to make you do such a risky thing? Trust me, if the people on boats could get on a plane and enter legally, they would. Have you been to a refugee camp, or read an article from someone who has been in one? Have a look on the net, pleny of journalists who have been there can give you their experiences.

      Please, do actual research before making generalised comments.

      Rant over.

    • Brett says:

      01:03pm | 08/02/10

      Well done Jenny, you say it exactly like it is. If any doubters out there go for a walk around Noble Park or Auburn.

    • ace says:

      01:18pm | 08/02/10

      Jenny, are you a real person? I can’t believe you’ve trotted out the immigration officer and centrelink arguments to attempt to establish yourself as an expert.

      Anyone who thinks Australia does not have a scary racist undercurrent should read these comments. And we call ourselves civilised?

      Your views are appalling, repugnant, offensive, and I challenge Mr Morrison or any of his collegues to disagree. These are the people upon whose irrational, racist beliefs you play with your politics of hatred and fear.

    • Mick says:

      01:39pm | 08/02/10

      I guess the title is correct, you can’t debate immigration without being labelled a racist (by Evil). Hi Evil, how’s the view from on top of your moral high horse?

    • Evil says:

      02:00pm | 08/02/10

      Hi Mick, pretty good view really because it enables me to see through all the smoke and mirrors racists uses to hide their true ugly intentions.

    • Evil says:

      02:42pm | 08/02/10

      Sceptic, its just like a tennis game, the one sitting on a high chair is the one in the middle.

    • sceptic says:

      01:39pm | 08/02/10

      both evil and jenny are the unsavoury ends of the spectrum.

    • Dan says:

      02:24am | 09/02/10

      “Because they are racist, intolerant and hateful to each other. ” As opposed to you? Why don’t you look in the mirror?

      People like you terrify me. Your racism, your hatred, your extremism, your ignorance. Thankfully you are only a minority. Or at least I hope you are.

      Oh, and in regards to not feeling comfortable around men from certain countries, I hate to ask what these countries are, why don’t you do something revolutionary and probably foreign to yourself like learning about different cultures? Or doing research? For example, if you get attacked, you will probably get attacked by a caucasian, but then in your world, only non-whites committ crime. You really are deplorable.

    • Rubadubadoobag says:

      10:07am | 15/02/10

      And you used to work for Centrelink. The thought makes me feel almost ill. No wonder that when I, a Chinese-Australian who has lived here for 20 years, went to apply for social benefits for the first and only time in my life (a health care card), I was rejected on the grounds of not being able to prove that I was Australian, despite sheafs of bills, uni invoices, school reports - and a broad Aussie accent to boot. Apparently it was tremendously difficult to believe that I could be Australian on account of my ‘yellow’ skin. Only a frighteningly shallow and puerile comprehension of history would allow you to draw the conclusion that other cultures and continents ‘will always be toilets’ and I despair at the thought of what it would take to educate you. You have one thing right though - we only have one life and buggered if Im going to waste it trying to talk sense to you.

    • casey says:

      11:04am | 08/02/10

      Adam, these refugees sell everything they have - everything - in a bid for the CHANCE, not guarantee, to flee to somewhere better.

    • Originalaussie says:

      12:58am | 09/02/10

      Why can’t they stay at home and put the same endeavour into making their country better? Instead of risking life and limb to sail to a country
      not their own?...I agree with Jenny, like it or not it’s our children that
      will have to put up with the trouble brewing in that cauldron called
      ‘multi-culturalism’  a pollie-spin-doctor’s term that hides a multitude of
      sins…I think Africa is a basket case AND has been for near on 100 years…have you all forgotten the massacres of Idi Amin? Tutu’s etc,
      Mau Maus ...they subject their own ppl to a horrible existence while the meglomanics that rule there live in Utopia? WTF? Then we feel sorry for them and import them here, give it a 100yrs and we will resemble Haiti, or Angola, or Somalia? hows that for a racist view from an aboriginal? Evil? go to town mate?

    • omegaman says:

      09:53pm | 09/02/10

      hear hear original aussie.
      We steal from the immigrants homelands when we take their best and brightest.

    • James says:

      11:11am | 08/02/10

      Second that ace.  Scott, you make some good points, but when you count among your supporters ones such as this Jenny… If you judge to ALP for keeping company with trade unions, then you must also be judged by the company you keep.

    • Di says:

      11:13am | 08/02/10

      Good Question? how do they come up with that sort of money?
      WHY don’t journalists ever ask the right questions?

    • ace says:

      11:30am | 08/02/10

      often, their whole family (mum, dad, brothers, sisters) will sell any property they own - which may be a farm that has been in the family for generations - any business and assets that they have (anything ranging from a shop to a taxi), any family gold or jewellery - ANYTHING they can sell. I know one man who did not have any family and who spend 8 years homeless and doing odd jobs to save up enough for his fare. often one family member will leave and seek resettlement, and spend the rest of their life working hard so that the rest of their family can have a chance.

    • Ken says:

      11:14am | 08/02/10

      Chong

      You must be a die hard Labour supporter, get real to the real issue. I do not want to waste my tax money for those unskilled pp into our country

    • Evil says:

      11:36am | 08/02/10

      Ken, did you know for a fact that they’re ALL unskilled? Did you know for a fact that the immigration department allows them into mainland without a thorough scutinising of their aptitude, attitude and skills? You’re a moron buddy.

    • Originalaussie says:

      08:21pm | 08/02/10

      You’re a self serving wanker Evil…shows every time you post…Insutls
      are the name of the game? right?

    • sceptic says:

      01:43pm | 08/02/10

      Evil you will do the cause of justice and fairplay at more good if you refrain from abusing people. You come across as a complete hypocrite and devalue anything you have to say… referring to people as morons and cretins just reveals a lack of intelligence rather than an insightful and targeting approach. please life your game. By the way in an earlier quote, referring to someone as a Croatin Cretin is racist and demeaning. You could have made your point more effectively had you left out the language

    • Marilyn Shepherd says:

      11:26am | 08/02/10

      It is tnot people smuggling.  It never has been.  It is refugees excercising their legal right to claim protection in any signatory country under the refugee convention.

      Morrison thinks refugees should stay in Indonesia where we know they have been shot, beaten, tortured, cannot get protected, or work or have their kids go to school.  Indonesia is not a signatory to the convention.

      Last year 300 + Australian’s drowned, less than 2 dozen refugees drowned trying to get here.

      Now will the liberals go and read the frigging law and just shut up?

      After all last year by the end of December just over 6,000 people claimed asylum here.  Every day about 40,000 tourists moved through our airports.

      Most of those who claimed asylum flew here and more planes crash than boats sink but what I find astonishing is that we laud one stupid 16 year old in a boat and condemn others who just want freedom and peace.

      Now for god’s sake Morrison, I sent you the frigging law of the land - read it.  Because the reality is those that fly here and make claims almost always are frauds yet we reward them with work rights, full legal appeals, medicare and so on while those with a 100% success rate like the Afghans get a jail, no legal rights and no right to work.

      It’s absurd and expensive and we are breaking the law.

    • Di says:

      11:36am | 08/02/10

      Immigration has to be debated; Australians are fed up to the back teeth with
      refugees; asylum seekers; visa overstayers; etc. etc. Just remember the Gov doesn’t have any money; it’s our Money, Taxpayers money used to house, feed, clothe, health care for all these ‘wanna be residents’ each one of the injured on the boat that exploded cost the Taxpayer $3million.  Where
      are these immigrants going to live in Aus if our young full time workers can’t afford a house and there are over 1million Australia wide on Housing Commission waiting lists?  PS: Evil - stop bashing sole parents and do some research on ‘single parents’ the website: Institue for Family Studies- too easy- I am of Indigenous descent born and bred in Qld - ‘the deep north’
      Aus has always been a racist country; every country is.

    • Rob says:

      11:55am | 08/02/10

      ‘In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an Australian and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin.  But this is predicated upon the person’s becoming in every facet an Australian, and nothing but an Australian. There can be no divided allegiance here.  Any man who says he is an Australian, but something else also, isn’t an Australian at all. We have room for but one flag, the Australian flag…. We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language… and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the Australian people.’

      Edmund Barton, 1907

      Said over 100 years ago, and is more accurate and relevant today than ever before. Decision makers in Australia take note; just because we are tolerant does not mean we are weak. Look after Australia and Australians first and foremost. The rest can wait in line…

    • Marilyn Shepherd says:

      11:37am | 08/02/10

      Why do you assume refugees have to be poor?  Does the law say they have to be poor?  Does it say they have to wait 25 years before having a new home?

      No it does not.    In Iraq and Afghanistan it is the middle class who are persecuted and tortured and they leave.    As would any of us.

      What drives me nuts is that Afghans have to travel over 8,300 km to get to Australia and only the last leg from Roti in INdonesia to Ashmore Island is by sea - and they have to do that because if they applied to come here we would have them jailed for years in INdonesia.

      Then we spend $10 million per time to sail them back 1800 km to Christmas Island before spending another $10 million or more flying them here a few weeks later.

      Refugees have nothing to do with border security, and we sure don’t give a toss about the security of those who live on Christmas Island do we?

      And by the way - our “offshore” program is to re-settle a miserable 6,000 refugees out of 15 million.

      Then we have a humanitarian program which includes anyone who arrives and asks for help.

      The first program is an expensive, voluntary hoax on everyone, it is nothing to do with legal obligations and yet you fools want to keep paying $250 million for it while 9 million kids die of hunger every year.

      Stupid, wasteful and ignorant.

    • N says:

      12:01pm | 08/02/10

      Marilyn; I’m interested to understand your “$10 Million” figures. Surely if illegal immigration / asylum seeking / etc is so costly, we would want to have little to do with it?

      As another note, I’d also be interested in knowing which other countries are signatories of the refugee convention that said refugees pass through before their final destination of Australia. Seems more like asylum seeking based on preference than necessity. If you’re that bad off in your country of origin, surely anywhere else safe is better? Perhaps it’s the mentality that free ride / push over Australia is the only place refugees deserve?

    • Marilyn says:

      12:30pm | 08/02/10

      N, it is not illegal migration, it is seeking asylum and it is perfectly legal under Australian law and always has been.

      What is illegal is locking them up, using them as pawns in “border security” and locking up the poor Indonesian fishermen for giving them a ride.

      All over the world millions of people claim asylum from persecution, we are the only nation that has this ludicrous detention to apply for visas they don’t have to have.

    • Marilyn says:

      12:37pm | 08/02/10

      N are you even aware that only 0.0001% of the world’s asylum seekers come here?  So much for the soft touch.

      The rest of the world manages to deal with the other 99.999% without this bitching and carping.

    • N says:

      01:28pm | 08/02/10

      Marilyn; surely you are a politician or well on the way? You successfully managed to side step both of my questions!

      “The rest of the world manages to deal with the other 99.999% without this bitching and carping.”, really? Ever had a chat with a French or Russian national lately? I currently have a French national on exchange who could tell a very different story to the one you portray.  The idea that we are the only country globally, to face illegal immigration / asylum seeking as a major political issue is farcical, but a good attempt none the less to sway the masses into thinking we, as Australians, must just suck it up.

    • Marilyn says:

      02:27pm | 08/02/10

      The rest of the world manages to deal with 99.999% of the world’s asylum seekers and they don’t whine and bitch like we do.

      And yes we do have to just suck it up or pull out of the refugee convention.  As we mostly wrote it after sending jews back to the gas chambers no government in this country would do that.  They prefer to break the law.

    • N says:

      02:43pm | 08/02/10

      Marilyn: Not that I have gotten any response to my questions thus far. But would it be possible to cite reference to Australia sending Jews to the gas chambers? Thought I was pretty familiar with modern history, might have skimmed over that part….

    • Di says:

      08:03pm | 08/02/10

      Marilyn - you need to broaden your internet surfing and visit the Swedish papers, Sweden is very concerned re immigrants/refugee’s;
      France has had riots; so has the UK only they try and explain that away by calling them something else; In Italy they actually burn the houses down of Afgans/Africans etc; i could go on and on…that cardboard box you live in needs more holes so you can do some research and stop quoting such rubbish.

    • Brett L says:

      10:36pm | 08/02/10

      “No other country complains about migrants” Are you kidding us?
      Every single country in the World is complaining about it. I’m in International Business and travel the World 5 times per year. I talk to hundreds of important people, big decision makers, CEO’s. Italy complain about Albanians, French complain about Africans, UK complain about Indians, US complain about Mexicans, Hong Kong complain about Phillipinos,  and so many others. Get real, we live in a World of racism and bigotry, all colours have prejudice about other colours. And all religions have prejudice about other religions. And all women have prejudices against men, and all men have prejudices against women. And dogs have prejudice against cats. We are but animals with survival instinct with programmed brains. No Government of left wing academic will change that. The best we can do is avoid persecution or discrimination and hope for equality. But to suggest that everybody is the same and that there are no common traits among race is just stupid, and probably the reason why any intelligent person becomes “racist” Just accept the differences and work to solve the issues, which are mainly distribution of wealth.

    • originalaussie says:

      01:23am | 09/02/10

      Marilyn - maybe you can house 25 Afgans at your place? and a further
      50 in your back yard - go on - put your hand up if you feel so strongly; I’ll help them move in if u like?

    • Frank says:

      11:45am | 08/02/10

      Yeah we’ve stuffed up our country, let us come stuff up yours too .... It’s a bit like a job interview. Who would you hire? A person with a good employment record, or someone who has failed time and time again and can’t do a good job?

    • Nate says:

      11:51am | 08/02/10

      Your arguments have no merit. They are very emotive and are not supported by facts. Just because YOU believe it - Doesn’t mean it is right

    • Evil says:

      11:57am | 08/02/10

      Single parents are just the tip of the iceberg mate. You know very well how others rort the system in other ways. Good on you that you’ve embraced racism because you would’ve been on the receiving end of many ridicules. Strangely, just this morning I received an sms from a mate with an extremely offensive joke regarding Aboriginals. Remember, its good to embrace racism but then unleashing those racism upon others is not on.

    • The Drover says:

      11:58am | 08/02/10

      Why dont you move a few of them in next door to you in Kensington, than you too can enjoy the Multicultural paradise that we out here in the western suburbs have had shoved down our throats. All to make inner city twits like you feel so much more compassionate and superior to us westie Bogans.

    • Evil says:

      12:44pm | 08/02/10

      Haha drover, you are INDEED a westerly racist bogan! So what’s wrong with people from other cultures living beside you? They’re dirty? They’re crims? They’re alcoholics???? Lets not make the reason be RACE hey drover?

    • The Drover says:

      02:47pm | 08/02/10

      Matter of fact Evil, my wife happens to be an Iraqi Assyrian refugee, who escaped Iraq during the 1st Gulf war, she didnt pay thousands of dollars to people smugglers but waited her time in a Turkish refugee camp. We have been married many years and she and our children are totally integrated Aussies, my objections to your Multicultural bullshit is that you talk the talk but never live it, dickhead.

    • Evil says:

      03:09pm | 08/02/10

      Great story.

      But how did you know I’m an “inner city twit”? How did you know if I’m not one of them? How did you know that I’m not living in my “multicultural paradise”?

      Or have I misunderstood you from your really really poor english?

    • OriginalAussie says:

      08:16pm | 08/02/10

      Well said Drover, it’s a case of NIMBY; not in my back yard!!..the bleeding heart do-gooders make me sick - As an indigenous person, we have had to take second and third place to first the English, then post war, Italians, Greeks, Lebs, then in the 80s the Viet’s all living in their own ghetto’s - creating jobs for themselves, ie Visa Agents; Translators; ripping off Social Security, by switching their names about, so noone knew who was who DSS couldn’t hope to keep up…I know I worked there. It’s a case of “here we go again” I’ve got one sentence;
      Get in Bloody Line Behind Me This Time!!!

    • Nate says:

      12:08pm | 08/02/10

      Ummm Evil - I believe you are hiding behind the word racist. You are bullying and labeling anyone who disagrees with you as a racist. And not to mention your arguments are very emotional and are based on tabloid/current affair arguments

    • Ron Roberts says:

      12:17pm | 08/02/10

      Good to see Marilyn Shepherd, quite possibly Australia’s looniest person, back and IN FORM

    • Please, please let me in, my life is in great dama says:

      12:53pm | 08/02/10

      .Australian Law for those who choose to be an Asylum - The right to seek Asylum in another country from persecution based on political grounds:  Universal Declaration of Human Rights 1948 art 14.  The right to grant asylum belongs to the state concerned which may admit into its territory ‘such persons as it deems desirable, without giving rise to complaint by any other state’: United Declaration on Territorial ASYLUM 1967 ASRT 1.  With a few more through into the mix, such as - Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees 1951:  Diplomatic relation:  Ex-tradition treaty:  Non-refoulment :Refugee
      RACE POWER - The capacity of the Federal Parliament under the Commonwealth Constitution to make special laws where necessary with respect to the people of any race:  Commonwealth Constitution s 51 (xxvi).  The phrase ‘people of any race’ has a wide meaning and includes racial subgroups”  (Tasmanian Case casse) (1983) at 180,273-4: 46 ALR 625 and further mix of legal extension - Enumerated power:  Immigration power to the pot.
      RACIAL DISCRIMINAL (CTH) Racial Discrimination Act 1975 s 9(1) and the rest of it such as Anti-discrimination legislation: Convention on the Elimination of All forms of Racial Discrimination 1965: Human rights: Race: Racial hatred: Special measure.
      RACIAL HATRED accorded to our law is the feeling of opprobrium and enmity against a racial group.  Part 11A was inserted into the (CTH) Racial discrimination Act 1975 to make offensive behaviour based on racial hatred unlawful.

      All well said and done HOWEVER it would be fair and reasonable to state. “it does makes it fairly hard to comprehend the mindset of boat people”.  Surely they have knowledge of the danger ahead of them.  Still they press on regardless, knowing quite well of the consequence that lie ahead.  Yet they continue, hence putting themselves and their children’s life in great jeopardy. 

      The “boat people’ are but a few compared to the amount of illegal people that choose a much safer route to fly into our country, far succeeds the boat ones.  Some of those claiming ASYLUM, Refugee, status fled here with open arms and worm hearts, grateful to continue their lives in Australia.  And then there are toes that bring their baggage with them and hold onto it for grime life.  They do not and will not under any circumstances acknowledge the Australian way nor will they abide nor accept the laws of our land.  They claim that it is against their religion which is rather contradictory as they know quite well that their religion is the law of their previous homeland.  A number of them are born in Australia but state that they are NOT AUSTRALIAN.  Rather they insist their nationality arrives from the country that they grand-parent or parents have be born in.  They are actually insulted as to insinuate to they, that in fact, they are indeed Australian according to them having being born in Australia.  Some of them love to challenge the law and fill our criminal courts with an array of tit-fort-tat drama along side with their interpretation of what is right and what is wrong – It wasn’t me it was them….makes one perk!!!

      They mock us, insult us and will not accept us.  Is this not RACIAL HATRED in FULL BLOOM??  WHAT-YOU-SAY??????

    • Dan Lewis says:

      08:56am | 15/02/10

      Quite right, Ron.

      She has been described (rather mildly) as this country’s most unhinged moonbat, and when taking a break from her (cough) refugee activism, dabbles in Holocaust Denial and antisemitism.
      http://theblankpagesoftheage.blogspot.com/2009/05/politics-of-marilyn.html

      Don’t you love how she routinely swears in every comment she’s ever written? A real classy lady…

      Best of all, Marilyn’s activities are entirely taxpayer funded. She’s a long term welfare bludger.  Your tax dollars at work!

      Personally, I believe this country’s illegal immigration problems would be resolved if they simply hung a huge photo of her at the border. I’d be turning the boat around real quick. Then again, it would probably be considered inhumane by the UN.

    • Brett says:

      12:21pm | 08/02/10

      The United nations does NOT define racism. It defines racial discrimination.
      Multiculturalism will fail. It is divisive and is destroying the social fabric of Australia. I cannot understand the benefits of Multiculturalism. What are they?
      Don’t mention variety of restaurants or cheap labour, just tell me the productive benefits of having people imported from third World countries that cannot and will not assimilate? 
      The Australia in 50 years will no longer be the place people will want to visit.

    • Marilyn says:

      12:33pm | 08/02/10

      Tell us who these people are and you might have an argument.  Otherwise it is racist bullshit.

      People who come here don’t have to assimilate, that is depraved.  We don’t want a nation that is all the same.

    • RB says:

      02:04pm | 08/02/10

      Ahh, the great failed multicultural experiment.Australia is fast becoming a multicultural cesspit that will go the way of France & the UK.There are places in Sydney(Lakemba, Auburn, etc) where you are abused for being white(i have seen this first hand) but we cant discuss this(& the bleeding hearts conveniently never mention it) without being branded ‘racist’.Happily, it seems many Australians are waking up & the do gooder name calling is only making them more vocal….

    • cats says:

      11:58am | 10/02/10

      RB, you’re also conveniently not mentioning the fact that there are many places in Australia where you get abused for not being white.

    • shere khan says:

      07:07am | 24/03/10

      Whatever it is perhaps now is the time to put the brakes on.  NOW before we get like America or some parts of Europe.
      Are you watching “GENERATION JIHAD” in ABC-1?  It could happen here.
      Did you see “FOREIGN CORRESPONDENT” last night Tuesday 23rd March 2010?  In 15 years time white Americans will no longer be the majority in the USA, Hispanics, mostly illegal, will be in the MAJORITY.
      IT CAN HAPPEN HEREIN AUSTRALIA.
      There is a new Political Party to vote for at the next Election.  Search it out.

    • Marilyn says:

      12:27pm | 08/02/10

      Ron, do you want to dispute the law as passed by bi-partisan parliaments and upheld by the High Court as valid?

      If so be my guest but simply calling me a loony is pointless.  I didn’t write the frigging law.

    • James says:

      12:55pm | 08/02/10

      Where is Dr Spin though?  Its no good if only one side of the loonies gets representation on The Punch.

    • James says:

      12:58pm | 08/02/10

      Hi Jenny,

      I also often feel uncomfortable around white men wearing Ed Hardy shirts with the collars popped, making threatening remarks about me being a “poof” - my crime?  Not wearing an Ed Hardy shirt with popped collar.

      The kind of men you are talking about come in all colours, shapes and sizes.  The fact that you only notice those with brown skin - rather than orange fake tans - speaks volumes about the way you see the world.

    • Badger says:

      01:00pm | 08/02/10

      For GOD’S sake, I am 82 yrs old, and in all that time I have never been asked who I want to come and live in my Country.

        I’ts high time we had a Referendum, and ask the Question, “WHO DO YOU WNAT TO COME AND LIVE WITH YOU IN YOUR COUNTRY”, not the Polititians country, and the only ones that can vote on this must have been born in Australia.

          Bet, if the Pollies get their hands on this, they will sque it to come out in favor of their policie, and know the answer before they put it to the vote. Tht’s what they always do and know..

    • Jeff says:

      01:00pm | 08/02/10

      Great piece Scott. Makes sense to me, to ensure people enter the country in an ordered safe way. This to me is another tick to the Coalition, ignoring the vocal populist’s and sticking with common sense policy, well done.

    • Paul says:

      01:01pm | 08/02/10

      Ah, immigration policy - it is to people’s reasonableness what easy off BAM is to bathroom stains.  Still, I’d say an agreed definition of the word “assimilation” is in order - no one wants Stepford (although it looks lovely), nor do they want Mogadishu.

    • Jason says:

      01:09pm | 08/02/10

      It is common for people from the far left to unnecessarily call people who debate immigration as racists or rednecks. This is also directed at people and even migrants with moderate stances.

      But if these far left politicians or advocates were in power, they would probably let everyone in. Though they have good intentions, they are unable to see that mass immigration is detrimental to the sentiment towards immigration by the general public. At the same time, there are far right extremists racists who are probably hiding behind genuine anti-immigration arguments such as lack of resources or environmental impacts.

      If the immigration debate is at least mostly being dealt with by the mainstream parties which it appears to be now, then this will alleviate extremists from the far left and far right hijacking the debates for their own gains.

    • Jackie says:

      01:14pm | 08/02/10

      Actually Jenny it’s an accident of birth that you are an Australian citizen, the same as an accident of birth that someone else is born in a third world country.  Australia like Canada and South Africa are are immigration countries and have been for about 210+ years. Has anyone asked our Indigenous Australians how they feel about immigration, because in reality, we haven’t done them any good. Throwing money at people doesn’t help a situation, understanding and help does.  The old “White Australia Policy” days are long gone people. You have to except it and move on.

    • Al says:

      01:54pm | 08/02/10

      Actualy, it is not an ‘Accident of birth’ as you put it. With my genetic characteristics it is very unlikely that I was going to be born in Japan or Mexico or Afghanistan.
      It was also unlikely I was going to be born in Indonesia, but I was. But geneticly I am not indonesian (despite what my birth certificate says).
      The truth that most people don’t like to hear is that for the survival of humanity as a diverse species we require a policy of limited migration.
      The reasons for this is fairly simple, migration injects new genetic material into a local area, but by limiting it the local genetic ‘pool’ maintains some uniquness. As such we inject new material and also encourage the development of unique combinations in certain geographic locations. By a limited migration of these to other areas we have the same outcome. If everywhere had the homogenous genetic makeup that many people believe is ‘right’ (or the outcome of those actions) then it would be dangerous for the survival of humanity as one single mutation in a virus or disease could wipe out the entire race. As has been postulated before, limited migration alows for diversification, homogenisation leads to inbred weakness. (This is true on a micro and macro level, just ask any biologist). I don’t support a White Australia Policy. I support a limited migration policy, with limited numbers from ANY other genetic pool being introduced to any specific community. I also don’t care if this is an Australian or a global policy, it is what is required for survival.

    • iansand says:

      01:14pm | 08/02/10

      I thought the White Australia Policy started around then.

    • COF says:

      01:15pm | 08/02/10

      Multiculturalism will succeed, and I’ll tell you why:
      -Regardless of culture, humans react primarily to a real or perceived threat to security (as you’ve shown here).
      -The primary threat to personal security in a capitalist society is the ability to make money, which pays for basic needs such as food, clothing, shelter, etc.
      -Therefore, the debate on whether or not multiculturalism is good or bad is an economic one.
      -Whether you like it or not, the economy is global - we now have the ability to trade easily and effectively with every country in the world.
      -This ability is greatly enhanced (and there are studies to back this up) through minimising the cultural barriers to global trade.
      - This is best acheived by increasing the ability of the Australian workforce to diversify its cultural base, allowing it to deal effectively with a wide variety of global partners.
      -Therefore, through cultural diversification, Australians can experience a more robust and diversified economy, which will lead to greater personal security in this nation.
      In the end, people will rant and rave on blogs about how they feel their cultural identity is being stolen from them, but no one cares enough to do anything about it. In the end, it’s the hip pocket that matters. Western societies will continue down this path because it makes sense, for every kid that joins the Patriotic Youth League because they lost their job to an Asian kid, there will be ten others that get a 20% pay rise, keeping them off the streets and out of trouble. It’s utilitarianism, mate. The greatest good for the greatest number.

    • Sorry says:

      01:30pm | 08/02/10

      I apoligise to my fellow Australians. I was stupid enough to vote for this tool last election. I will not vote for an ETS. But the use of the race card shows me He can not even put up an argument. What a fool I was.(I actually liked Mel Brough but not John Howard) It wont happen again. Sorry

    • Jon says:

      01:31pm | 08/02/10

      Yes, couldn’t agree more. There seems to be a total disconnect between the current policy and the impact of population. The greatest contributor to pollution, drop in standard of living and strain on infrastructure is population growth. Most of the Science confirms it but Rudd and Labor party for some reason ignore it. The real reason may be that big business makes money out of population growth and they’re ones that are really running the country. We won’t have a referendum on immigration because our leaders already know the out come and they don’t like it. So they wheel out the old racism chant, which works every time, no debate and no action.

    • Ricky says:

      01:39pm | 08/02/10

      Take a bow Jenni, you have just summed it up for just about every person i know.Anyone with a pair of eyes in their head can see many of our ’ new Australians’ have no intention of ever integrating &  want to bring their tribal mentality here.These people are not our responsibilty when we have many Australians(that have paid tax their whole lives) who are struggling.

    • AFR says:

      01:51pm | 08/02/10

      Ricky, whereabouts do you live? As I would like to know which suburb to avoid, if its full of people with yours and Jenny’s narrow minded views.

    • White Power says:

      03:18pm | 08/02/10

      Ricky lives on ‘Majority Street’ in Standupforyourownsville’. Tool.

    • Fred says:

      07:43pm | 08/02/10

      Ha.  White Power.  Your name says it all. It makes me sick to read that.  And anybody claiming to know what the majority believes in is an idiot.  Left or Right you can’t know how the majority feel about whatever you’re claiming

    • rohan says:

      01:58pm | 08/02/10

      So what is it? You cant migrate legally as otherwise you get bashed up in Melbourne. Or you dont get a job because you dont have Australian experience…

      If you come by boat, there is a big issue over tax payer money. Perhaps Australia shouldnt have signed the UN treaty on refugees…I guess when this was signed you probably thought refugees were all from Europe? I didnt see all this protest over the climate change treaty and the amount of money spent on green projects? Perhaps climate change is more important than some poor refugees lives! Why not ban all coal and mining in the country then? After all, China, who is the biggest customer is a major polluter..

      Conclusion: Australia can only live with the White Australia policy. Anything else is lipservice.

      Why? Most comments are all about how immigrant are living on the tax dollars..Perhaps the government should release the total tax paid per migrants and non-migrants..You might be be surprised how much contribution immigrants have made to this country. Oh no, but then you couldnt bring out racist comments could you? Perhaps this is the difference between the US and Australia. Many immigrants have been enormously successful over there..and a lot of immigrants have gone there as students….

    • N says:

      02:32pm | 08/02/10

      Rohan; I’d actually welcome such statistics, let’s just make sure we get all the numbers in order and factor in for the costs of immigration against that collective sum.

      As for not getting a job because you don’t have any “Australian experience”, what falsehood. I think you’ll find the majority of employers are happy to employ anyone provided they meet basic criteria, unfortunately in this country a good command of the English language is critical.

      Sure, let’s stop mining, what a great idea. Can someone say “trade deficit”? This country relies on its mining exports more than anything else; it doesn’t rely on immigration to the same degree, though it does keep our housing market quite buoyant, for which I’m quite thankful.

      I’d have a rethink about the synopsis that a debate such as this didn’t rage over climate change and the Governments proposed ETS while you’re at it, it was just as heated, if not more so.

    • jed says:

      02:10pm | 08/02/10

      no cashed up whites either, property prices are high enough.

    • rohan says:

      02:44pm | 08/02/10

      Ok N, glad to have a debate. At the same time, what about highly skilled migrants who are contributing? Will they have to subsidise “teenage mums and dole bludgers”  or do they get to pay a lower tax rate? After all, complaint against migrants is that they are supported by tax dollars…would it work the other way as well - i.e skilled migrants can pay less tax…As migrants, they had to prove themselves right? so it is only fair that any skilled migrant gets to pay lower tax.

      Please note I did not say stop mining.. i meant to say that a lot of support is based on popular politics without anyone willing to pay money for it..I personally like Abbott’s plans

    • N says:

      03:06pm | 08/02/10

      Rohan; Sure I like the sound of that, provided that highly skilled migrant numbers are on par or greater than those migrants who receive government hand outs (remember you don’t have to be out of work to collect benefits). Like you said, it’s a two way street, but on a very slippery slope; paying tax based on race is a pretty dangerous precedent to set, interesting idea though.

      Sorry, I saw “Why not ban all coal and mining in the country then?” and attributed that to stopping mining, since banning something generally has that impact.

    • rohan says:

      03:42pm | 08/02/10

      N,

      I am not advocating paying tax based on race ( I have never mentioned race). i am just saying that overall migration has positive benefits (including highly skilled and non-skilled). Every migrant does not absolutely have to come from Harvard…Certain cases, migrants might find it difficult to integrate or be taking up less skilled occupations. There is no need to bring about the immigration debate based on what is perceived wrongfully as the negative side of migrants.

      As highly skilled migrants are not receiving special benefits you would also find that less skilled migrants might end up needing support. It balances out in my opinion.

      but you have brought up the underlying theme in all these article - it is about race. So nothing to do with migrants and how much they contribute - all to do with what type of people you want to bring in…which is pretty sick, i am sure you will agree..

    • COF says:

      02:51pm | 08/02/10

      With reference to Al’s argument that limiting migration allows for genetic diversification and hence resistance from disease, you are unfortunately wrong. Please don’t peddle basic falsehood as fact.

      In any genetic environment, natural selection is the only modifier that allows for favourable genetic mutation to occur in a species.

      Have a look at this wiki article on Assortative mating:
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assortative_mating

      It clearly says that positive assortative mating has a disruptive effect on the process of natural selection. Disruption can have short term positve effects, but it will most likely have a long term negative effect on the population, causing monocultures and possible extinction.
      Leave it alone, in other words.

    • rohan says:

      02:51pm | 08/02/10

      Can you people make up your minds?

      - Wealthy migrants driving up property prices

      - Refugees living on tax dollars

      This country has is being shaken apart by migrants!!!! And still the number of people migrating to other countries from OZ is also increasing!

      I am confused!

    • Max Power says:

      02:57pm | 08/02/10

      Persephone Said:
      Britain has always been a multi cultural country.

      The Union Jack represents four cultures. The term ‘Anglo Saxon’ is derived from two German tribal names - the original Anglo Saxons were immigrants from these areas. They were among the many ‘waves’ of immigrants who over ran the originial population.

      Similarly, any look at ‘English’ surnames shows a diversity of cultural backgrounds - Dutch, German, French, Flemish.

      Many elements of British and therefore Australian culture came to Britain from other countries.

      It can be argued that these cultures were similar enough to allow this merging to be far more painless to society than the merging, say, of Africans into Australian culture, but that ignores the very real barriers of language and understanding that existed at the time.

      It obviously wasn’t always a peaceful process, but the different cultural backgrounds allowed Brits to pick and choose the elements that suited them, encouraged social mobility (easier in a society which isn’t stullified by a fixed status quo)  and led to the (past) glories of the Empire. “

      What a load of crap. The saxons didn’t immigarate to Briton, they invaded. Their assimialtion was forced by the point of a sword and spear behind shield walls. The Britons didn’t pick and choose the elements they wanted, they were forced to submit at the end of a sword or be murdered or put into slavery. The Saxons and Britons spoke different languages, worshipped different gods and had different cultural beliefs.  The Britons fought to keep the saxons out, funny situation for you to be saying the Saxons immigrated. To claim Briton after the Saxons invaded was mulitcultural is absurd. The Saxons all but destroyed the Britons way of life, beliefs and culture, they finished what the Romans started.

    • JGM says:

      03:29pm | 08/02/10

      And to add, the Normans then strolled in and took over.

    • Tim says:

      04:25pm | 08/02/10

      Enter in William I and Northern England into a search engine for a history lesson on French influence in Britain as well.

      Plus all the cultures you mentioned had the same religion. Except of course after the protestant reformation, which went really well for England, culminating in the English Civil War.

      Not sure what you mean by the Union Jack represents four cultures? It represented the union of England & Scotland from the reign of James I.

    • persephone says:

      06:45pm | 08/02/10

      The Union Jack is four crosses laid over each other, one each for England, Scotland, Wales and Ireland.

      JGM, I said it wasn’t always peaceful. My point was that English culture developed out of this multicultural melting pot.

      Oh, and no they didn’t all have the same religion, doofus. The Romans weren’t Christian, neither were the Angles or the Saxons (well, to start with)  or the Vikings.

    • James says:

      02:27pm | 09/02/10

      Some historians are arguing, on the basis of DNA evidence, that the Angle and Saxon - as well as the Viking - waves were much more peaceful than has previously been thought.  There is a lot of evidence currently emerging that at a grass-roots level, the process was much more give and take than you make out Max, in that the Germanic settlers/invaders appropriated some aspects of Celtic (and Roman) culture, and imposed parts of their own culture on the Celts.

      When it comes to the Norman invasion, the evidence of two cultures existing side by side can still be found in the modern English language.  Take for instance our word for sheep - which is derived from a Germanic root.  When we eat sheep though, we do not say sheep, we say mutton - derived from the French.  Same with cattle - Germanic - and beef - French.  This is because the people who raised the sheep spoke a Germanic language, while those who ate them spoke French.  Admittedly, this split is as much class based as it is cultural, but nonetheless, invasions and migration are not zero sum, in that what one new culture brings the older one loses. 

      The same can be said about modern Australia - just because people are bringing aspects of different cultures here does not diminish the existing ones, unless those who adhere to the existing culture let this happen.  It is entirely possible for two different cultures to live side by side and respect each other - if they try.

    • Gavin says:

      10:31am | 10/02/10

      Not to mention the ‘Cross of St. Patrick’ - invented by the English - was added with the permission ONLY of the (English) Landed Gentry in Ireland in 1801.

    • Drew (Darlinghurst) says:

      03:09pm | 08/02/10

      This issue is a political football used for sooo many years now by Conservatives across the nation to mobilise the redneck racists to vote LIBERAL

      NO SCOTT ....we have just escaped 11.5yrs of HOWARD…we are not going back to the politics of FEAR.

      p.s. get use to the oppostion benches Scott

      p.p.s Scott loves the racist politics of FEAR ...his electorate takes in Cronulla…( remember the riots, scotty)  I rest my case

    • Jack says:

      03:11pm | 08/02/10

      I have good friends of all racial backgrounds. Still I think you need to take a realistic standpoint (as most of my ethnic friends do) that there are a billion people to our near north who would like to live here, but it can’t be allowed to happen for obvious reasons. The trickle could easily turn to a flood, as we are seeing under the foolishly internationalist Rudd government. Most of my ethnic friends also agree that the reason Australia is such a good place to live is, in no small measure, that we have the prevailing Australian culture that has nurtured, and maintains, the largely egalitarian and corruption free existance we all enjoy. Some soft Australians have been conned into believing they are terrible racists - and the guilt felt by them at this accusation has clouded their apologist judgement. Their weakness cannot be allowed to give away one of the world’s best-functioning cultures - ours.

    • Brett L says:

      10:08pm | 08/02/10

      Very nicely said Jack.

    • omegaman says:

      07:36pm | 11/02/10

      How can you possibly think Australia is egalitarian when some families here have BILLIONS of dollars and everyone in my family (yep, all four of us) is busting to keep their jobs?
      You need to skip the morning latte with your good friends of all racial backgrounds and meet a few regular struggling Aussies. Egalitarian really? I can’t believe you think that Jack. You seem out of touch

    • Davido says:

      03:17pm | 08/02/10

      Name calling isnt helpful is it?

      But it does seem the Right dish it out more than the Left. You would be hard pressed to find one of the political discussions on this place without Kevin Rudd being called a name.

    • James says:

      03:28pm | 08/02/10

      Max Power you obviously know your history.  The immigration debate cannot be had without racism becomeing the focus, unless there is a report by scientists examining exactly how many people Australia can support and what sort of life styple they can expect.  Without this analysis, the debate will be purile and ugly, probably just the sort of level politicians want to keep it at.

    • John says:

      03:39pm | 08/02/10

      When Albert Einstein was fleeing Germany from the Nazis why did he choose America?
      Couldn’t he have stopped at any other country, like some of the comments here suggest.
      What about Rushdie, why UK and not any other country while he was running for his life from a fatwa….why are these people not called country shoppers….
      Albert Einstein was an illegal migrant too…..why are asylum seekers who risk their life and limb for hope of a better future and better life questioned…..when most of the illegal migrants in Australia are backpackers who have overstayed their holidays…and have come on a Quantas flight ticket…if you are worried about illegal migrants you should talk about them too…the percentage of asylum seekers by boats is way less compared to the illegal migrants coming by plane….

    • Originalaussie says:

      08:18pm | 08/02/10

      Qantas, mate Qantas; means Qld and Northern Territory Air Service.
      get it right!

    • John A Neve says:

      03:41pm | 08/02/10

      147 posts and it’s all been said before. Maybe you’ll all do it again in a few weeks time, following a post from the Labor party.

      Just accept our current parliamentary system is crap. We are going nowhere, just regurgitating the same old topics. We are all like little mice on the treadmill, round and round goes the bloody great wheel.

    • xyzdly says:

      03:43pm | 08/02/10

      You cant be a member of the Liberal Party without being a dog whistler, works well though, just look at the pack of rabid mongrels that came running!

    • Gavin says:

      04:27pm | 08/02/10

      Dear Scott,
      While I agree that calling you a racist is pretty idiotic, I think you should’ve stuck to your intended message. The rest of the article is policy wonk and you know it.
      It seems interesting that you and others conveniently link this upsurge with the Government making the policies more lenient - hardly. I think you’ll find it is more to with the correlation between the Tamils not trusting their future in Sri Lanka and the upsurge in violence in Afghanistan. Just as in 2001/2002 it was to do with the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq.
      So with that in mind, here’s a link to “the public protests about the… Afghans and the policies that encouraged them to get on that boat?” for you: http://bit.ly/deWiGQ
      Also, why don’t you refer to APH library? Especially the link telling you the numbers (including graphs) of boat arrivals and number of refugees in each year since 1976. Let me do it for you: http://bit.ly/9l471w
      Regards,
      One of those who pays your salary and for your junkets

    • John says:

      05:37pm | 08/02/10

      Gavin your information is very good, but I believe that you draw the wrong conclusion from it.

      In the period 2002-2008 the situation in Afghanistan did not improved markedly, yet because of the Howard border control policy the numbers of Afghans, and others, coming by boats were kept to a minimal. As the graph shows, the numbers picked up only after the changes implemented by the current labor government.

      Potential” refugees” and people smugglers are always on the look out for policy changes in host countries. Australia has just given them an opening and they are making the most of it whilst it lasts.

      However, I agree with you the title of the piece is pure dog whistling. The liberals are testing the water in the press to gauge how far they can push the boat people issue with the electorate.

    • Gavin says:

      10:40am | 10/02/10

      John, As the Punch doesn’t seem to allow me to reply to your reply (not to mention remember who I am!), allow me to agree with you. It’s a horrendous market-economics equivalent, isn’t it. However, the underlying reasons for the mass-movement exist and Scott Morrison has missed the opportunity to be rationale about it, instead going for the link bait (or perhaps that was David and Paul!). Lets not even go into the mere trickle this ‘mass movement’ is compared to the Africa -> Europe illegal immigration of recent years (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6660077.stm)

    • NO FIXED NAME - NO FIXED ADDRESS, says:

      05:06pm | 08/02/10

      Eric,

      Do you have a bee in your bonnet or what.  Boob jobs and dole bludgers is enough to make one think along the lines of becoming a racist.  Having said that it is fair and reasonable to say that Australia has its own dramas to deal with let alone looking after others from somewhere else with no fixed name and no fixed address,

    • Henrietta says:

      06:53pm | 08/02/10

      I am so fed up with being called racist on the telly, I am glad they are changing the immigration criteria. Lets get people in here we really need , instead of these radicals who think its ok to call me and you racist. I am sure we probably have a small racist element here but to brand a whole country is dispicable. My background is English (convict) My son has married the most beautiful Chinese girl, my partners family came here from Yugoslavia in the 1950’s. I don’t care where anyone is from orignally, people are people and I will anyone a fair go. I am not unique there, there are many Aussies welcoming and accepting of those from other countries.

    • Bigos says:

      08:34pm | 08/02/10

      The UN convention is way past its use-by date. I think there should be thorough and mature debate about what migration and its benefits or lack thereof. It’s obvious from some of the comments here that out of control migration is affecting the quality of life in Australia.

      http://www.aph.gov.au/library/pubs/rp/2000-01/01RP05.htm

    • rod sexton says:

      09:07pm | 08/02/10

      Some of these comentators should have to include their IQ.

    • IQ says:

      11:07am | 09/02/10

      MINE IS 158-138 SO WHAT?  I belt out words to make my comment so fast actually too fast as to type and keep up to the speed of my brain.  Not good. Can’t spell,  I write like I am having a conversation but who cares.  I am not having to prepare a legal document or do I have stand up and speak one.  I love being a part of the punch.  It’s FUN.  I love the prestige of jotting out my views as they shot out.  Call my a D**k H**D, call me stupid, call my whatever…All if have to say is GOD BLESS and THANK-YOU.XXX

    • Graeme says:

      10:37pm | 08/02/10

      Don’t be so sooky Mr Morrison.    We had the left complaining about the tenor of debate, being shut down in the Howard years.

      Now you’re through he looking glass.

      Imagine being in the US, where Obama is routinely branded a ‘socialist’ and a ‘Muslim’.

    • tunneleye says:

      07:29am | 09/02/10

      Please debate THE SUBJECT not each other!  If you wish to argue with someone, get on the phone or swap email addresses.

    • tunneleye says:

      07:57am | 09/02/10

      The tensions building up against Migrants, especially Indian Migrants, is all about who they are.
      They are from India!  India has a population of 1 billion, expected to be 13,000 000 000 within a short time.
      At least 100 million are aware that Australia is NIRVANA for them if they can get here.
      There are criminal moneylenders in India ready to lend at high interest to ‘students’ to come to Australia.  These ‘students’ then, (wrongly) can get jobs here to pay back the hoodlums.
      It i s estimated 70% of taxi drivers in Brisbane are INDIAN.  How many were there 5 years ago?
      People are talking~!
      It was NOT racial once, with our balanced mix of Citizens, but it is fast becoming so because MONEY is the root of this evil.
      $15 billion selling education!  Mr RUDD has grabbed the tigers tail, he will be bitten at the next Election.
      Spreading people around the world is NOT the solution to the overpopulation of the world.

    • COF says:

      09:11am | 09/02/10

      “India has a population of 1 billion, expected to be 13,000 000 000 within a short time.” Around 160 years at the current growth rate, which is slowing.

      “At least 100 million are aware that Australia is NIRVANA for them if they can get here.” Source? Are you sure it is not at least a kazillion?

      “There are criminal moneylenders in India ready to lend at high interest to ‘students’ to come to Australia.  These ‘students’ then, (wrongly) can get jobs here to pay back the hoodlums.” Really? There is no one like that here in Australia.

      “It i s estimated 70% of taxi drivers in Brisbane are INDIAN.  How many were there 5 years ago?” I am beginning to suspect these are not ABS figures.

      “It was NOT racial once, with our balanced mix of Citizens, but it is fast becoming so because MONEY is the root of this evil.” I don’t understand this statement.

      “$15 billion selling education!  Mr RUDD has grabbed the tigers tail, he will be bitten at the next Election.” Nor the relevance of this one to immigration. What does the tigers tail signify? Who is the tiger? How can we make Rudd let go of it?

      “Spreading people around the world is NOT the solution to the overpopulation of the world.” This is as close as you come to logic, but you are assuming that the world is overpopulated, and that that is a bad thing. In the end it is a false argument hiding fear, the only true motivation an anti immigration debater has. There is nothing else. You are afraid of difference. Don’t worry, most people are. Just don’t parade it as truth.

      You need to do two things:
      1. READ more
      2. Rather than suiting your reality to your opinion, try forming an opinion BASED on reality.

      You’re an easy target, and I don’t enjoy picking on you, but maybe you can take something away from this that you will learn from (maybe a healthy respect for reality and truth). I certainly hope so.

    • Bill says:

      12:47pm | 09/02/10

      Haha COF, I admire your patience in taking the bigots down. I usually let them stay the ignorant fools they are - informed by the likes of news dot com

    • Willy K says:

      09:51am | 12/02/10

      Bill & COF.

      Good to see Aussies like you with your heads in the sand!

      Spot on Tunneleye.  Same thing happening here in sleepy little Adelaide.  Its being wrecked before our eyes under the watch of the pig lazy ALP.  And only 70% of your cabbies are Indian?  About 98% here and most have to ask you how to get to wherever you are going despite the city being possible the easiest on the planet to negotiate.

      Have seen first hand the terrible mess immigration is causing the UK.  If anyone says that has been a positive then they are mad.

      Australians need to stand up on this issue and keep our country the worlds best.  It aint going to prosper when swamped by millions of 3rd world money seekers!

      First thing is to get rid of Rudd.

    • Mick says:

      01:32pm | 09/02/10

      Funny how some people who’ve posted on here label others as intolerant and racists but think it’s perfectly OK to call people “Bogans” or make sweeping generalisations about single parents. The trouble with hypocrites is they don’t realise that they are one.

    • Shaun says:

      07:10pm | 09/02/10

      Its like when some goes negative on Israels mid east policy, next you you know your been brand anti semitic. We need a healthy debate on who and in what circumstances people are allowed into this country; but anyone that says anything but open the gates to everyone is branded a racist…..Nice way to brew real decent which leads to reals racism….......well I guess Im a racist too…

    • omegaman says:

      09:51pm | 09/02/10

      All my life I have had to deal with this stupid immigration debate and mostly endure immigrants forcing me to make allowances for them and their shitty situations.
      What have immigrants ever done for me except change my country?  I am constantly told our food courts wouldn’t be so good without immigrants but I would gladly eat lunch every day in a boring food court if I could afford to buy a house in my home town.
      I didn’t wake up and move to their homeland, so why are they so keen to move to mine? If I moved to somewhere like China and tried to become a a Chinese they would think I was ridiculous, so why am I a racist in reverse if I question someone’s Australianness because they have been here for five minutes compared to my family. China is a country of immigrants too. At DNA level every country is a land of immigration.
      Most of my early life Australia suffered this thing called cultural cringe and you heard about it all the time (new Australians have no idea about this). Now we are proud of ourselves we are called racist! Go figure.
      People who don’t fit in want to become us, which is very flattering. But if you are crushed inside just because someone calls you ‘racist’ you need to think about your need to be loved. Not everyone will love you, and no-one likes the people that have a need to be liked by everyone.
      No-one is really racist to other individuals, just large groups changing the make-up of the place. I don’t want grandkids that don’t look like me, have a different religon or speak in a different accent. What is so wrong with upholding these standards? I am not setting out to dis-enfranchise anyone who wants what I got, however they are puting me in the position to protect what I got. 
      I love my heritage and I wanted to protect it, but I think now that Anglo Australia is a lost cause. Too many people inside the tent hate Anglo Australia and are cheering for it to fall. I don’t really like the new Australia (especially our crappy anthem) so now I will just make bitter comments until I die when a whole bunch of newbies will rejoice at my passing and usurp the parts of my heritage they like…or maybe we could have a revolution and pass some laws that protect the native anglos, just like the aboriginal laws? maybe thats got legs? Then the newbies can carve out their own version of my country.

    • COF says:

      11:43am | 10/02/10

      omegaman,

      everyone can understand that it is uncomfortable to change or be exposed to change. But this is not a reason to halt change.

      As a thirty something I have often been irked by the changes that have occurred in my own culture - changes in the use of language, aesthetics, manners, or eating habits. These changes have happened within a generation and can often make me feel obsolete. But we all have to get back on the saddle, make an effort to understand, and keep living the only life we were given. Change is inevitable in the expanse of a life.

      This does not necessarily advocate a radical change that will require you to mould yourself into the “perfect citizen”: we are all individuals, we are our own culture, and no one should have the right to take that away from you. This country has been built on the choices given to the individual. In that way, I think it should respect the choice of individuals to set up a life here.

      These individuals may make different choices to you. These choices may sometimes clash, sometimes they may not. This is no different to life in general, everything is a compromise. If you can’t compromise or change I don’t believe you are appreciating the gift of life effectively, because there is so much to know and understand out there in such a short time, there is no time to be afraid of it.

      I personally do not “hate” my own culture; I am merely aware of the fact that it is just culture, and doesn’t necessarily define me or my ethnic neighbours. Are the habits you perform while ekeing out your life so important to your life? You’ll find that while the means to our lives may be vastly different to some of our migrant population, the ends will be unanimously similar. All of us want to be safe, all of us want to leave our mark, all of us don’t want to be alone.

      I don’t believe in racism - I think it is just a manifestation of fear, a common and maligned trait in all of us. I agree that it is used unfairly to quash argument, but good reasoning should shine through in any debate - unreasonable debate leads to unreasonable labelling and bickering. As the saying goes, there is nothing to fear but fear itself. This is what our politicians should be preaching through their policies.

    • omegaman says:

      01:31am | 12/02/10

      COF,
      There is not one country of European heritage that is not struggling to work out its relationship with its large non-european minorities, be it islamic france or hispanic america. Soon there will be indigenous groups in Europe fighting for legal status and rights not unlike our own aborigines, and plenty of Aussies will identify with the indigenous european groups. Change can work in many directions and the future is not yet written.

      Can’t you feel that lots of people are interested in protecting their Australian heritage? I know I am not alone. Just because you have personally resigned yourself to accepting some horrible generic future doesn’t mean the rest of us should listen to your poisonous words and lie down to be walked over, or persuaded out of protecting our heritage. The change you request me to accept is not inevitable, and society can easily fix everything by changing a few laws, like NO BURQAS.

    • Pete L. says:

      12:38am | 16/02/10

      Well a key point here is NOBODY WAS EVER ASKED. In Europe it started as a ‘guest worker’ program, in which the intention was to have a temporary work scheme to fill labour shortages, where foreign workers were given 2 year work visas which were then extended a few times and eventually they were given right to residence and then citizenship (that permanent intake western countries have now become pretty much addicted to). However, from back then until now any and all surveys have shown the majority of the populace(s) to have been against immigration or have thought it too excessive. In other words if any democratic process entered into it and the people listened to (however racist or bigoted one might have deemed it to be) it wouldn’t have happened. That’s democracy, as an absolute concept where you don’t get to change the rules if you don’t like outcomes. Surely something that involves altering the cultural landscape of a country is worth courting the people over.

      If societies had collapsed due to lack of labour or what have you then people would have been forced to either have more kids or agree to take in migrants, or watch their quality of life drop.  But ultimately, it should have been their choice, and if they were given it they would rightfully have had no right to complain about eventual outcomes.

    • Mick says:

      11:16am | 15/02/10

      I’m just glad we’re finally having this debate on immigration and it seems to be mostly cool, sensible heads prevailing from the ‘against’ side, but the same childish ‘shout them down’ tactics from the ‘for’ side.

      I think the thing that should not be forgotten is immigration is not a ‘must’, even though there are very valid arguments for it. But somehow it got to the stage where people simply take it as a given that we maintain a relatively high migrant intake, almost as though we’re a charity service because all these would-be migrants want in, and we’re obliged to keep the doors open. When people say enough is enough, we’re becoming overcrowded, our societies are changing too quickly and for the worse, and it’s no longer to our benefit, why is this such a problem? I don’t see many people saying we should limit only non-caucasian immigration, but rather all of it.

      I think we should have a bit of a spell, let integration take it’s course and see where our new equilibrium ends up, and then assess if it’s in our interests to increase the numbers again.

    • rohan says:

      11:10pm | 15/02/10

      I am not sure where you classify immigrants as a charity case; a lot of the highly skilled professionals bring their expertise to this country. Apart from that, they also continually invest in themselves and in the country…

      “societies are changing for the worse” - what does that have to do with migrants? Perhaps you are attributing non-related issues here

    • Mick says:

      03:34am | 17/02/10

      A charity case I meant sarcastically, in the sense that those who do not want such high levels of immigration are often called racist, and therefore it comes off like bringing in these relatively high numbers of people is some sort of undebatable cause we need to get behind or we’re backward/racist/the usual.

      Society is changing for the worse, many people agree with that I think you’ll find. When you’re bringing in hundreds of thousands of people a year, how are things NOT going to change one way or another? Overcrowding - leave Australia for a number of years like I did, and come back and tell me the population hasn’t exploded before your eyes. Clogged roads, unaffordable house prices, etc.

    • ozharp66 says:

      11:29pm | 04/08/10

      People interested in this debate should read the Refugee Council of Australia’s paper on Myths about asylum seekers and get the FACTS. Check their website.  Otherwise the nonsense such as Scott Morrison utters and manyo thers in this thread will just go on forever.  Don’t voice an opinion or vote on the issue if you don’t know the facts!

 

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