They’re back, those four Manolo Blahnik-shod Manhattanites, and by all accounts, they’re well past their culturally relevant prime.

Sorry Lori, you're wrong

Reading initial reviews of the movie, there seems little doubt the franchise has seemingly now become an over-blown, cliché- ridden, squalidly materialistic catalogue of designer frocks, accessorised with ethnically-insensitive stereotypes all for the bargain price of $15.

With the premiere of the sequel big screen outing of Carrie, Miranda, Samantha and Charlotte in Sex and the City 2, there will come the obvious tussle over what, if any, cultural interest this franchise still offers. But, this time around, three of the four women are sporting something else - wedding rings.

After years of hook-ups, having seen out hundreds of boyfriends, one husband and a nasty STD, those of the foursome who wanted to marry, have indeed wed.

Moving beyond the question of whether we are actually still willing to invest any degree of emotional energy, or a couple of hours of our life, in their glittery Middle Eastern sojourn, the original series is far from contemporaneously bankrupt.

It is worth considering and revisiting their dating travails, of which we were privy for seven years, given that the question of finding a marriageable mate has become something of a cultural flash point with the publication earlier this year of Lori Gottlieb’s provocative book ‘Marry Him: The Case for Settling for Mr Good Enough’.

Gottlieb’s book explores what she perceives as the valiantly romanticised assumptions many younger women bear about the whole mating business.

Gottlieb’s book argues that women should not wait for that great coup de foudre, that cataclysmic love of childhood fairy tales and Mills and Boon bodice-rippers. They should instead make do with any of the reasonable boyfriends they jettison in their 20s and 30s instead of holding out for The One.

Her reading of the situation is that women have been sold an unrealistically sentimentalised view of what they should look for in a husband. By holding out for the popularly fabled notion of a soul mate, they are in fact missing out on the good and dependable men who will father their children and help pay the mortgage.

To provide some background, the author, approaching 40 and single, conceived a child via IVF. The standpoint from which she approaches this subject is one of regret, as she wistfully discusses rejecting men she was involved with who could be now taking their turn getting up in the night when the baby cries.

Rather she, bought the fraudulent, overly idealistic view of marriage that has been popularly peddled in the post second wave feminism days. Gottlieb writes:

Marriage isn’t a passion-fest. It’s more like a partnership formed to run a very small, mundane, and often boring nonprofit business.

So if you rarely see your husband—but he’s a decent guy who takes out the trash and sets up the baby gear, and he provides a second income that allows you to spend time with your child instead of working 60 hours a week to support a family on your own—how much does it matter whether the guy you marry is The One?

Settling will probably make you happier in the long run, since many of those who marry with great expectations become more disillusioned with each passing year. (It’s hard to maintain that level of zing when the conversation morphs into discussions about who’s changing the diapers or balancing the checkbook.)

My advice is this: Settle! That’s right. Don’t worry about passion or intense connection. Don’t nix a guy based on his annoying habit of yelling “Bravo!” in movie theaters. Overlook his halitosis or abysmal sense of aesthetics.

On the question of applying an overly critical and superficial assessment of potential partners, she may have a point.

But Gottlieb presents a largely neutered view of married life that reduces marriage to a supportive economic arrangement with occasional nappy-changing thrown in as part of the bargain.

Gottlieb’s thesis is devoid of passion and bears a calculating practicality that verges on the dispiriting. Genuine emotional connection, the kind that would lead to enduring companionship when the fire has gone, does not seem to come into Gottlieb’s argument.

In the original article in ‘The Atlantic’ on which the book is based, she writes of other mothers in her playgroup, arguing there are women who: “would rather feel alone in a marriage than actually be alone, because they, like me, realize that marriage ultimately isn’t about cosmic connection—it’s about how having a teammate, even if he’s not the love of your life, is better than not having one at all.”

A seam of fear runs below the surface of Gottlieb’s argument, a starkly perceptible anxiety about having to face the rigors and pressures of life without a halitosis suffering “teammate” by your side.

Gottlieb’s rationale suggests that women commit to something that sounds akin to running a suburban bakery with a man simply because they don’t want to go to bed or pay the car insurance on their own. It renders marriage a mercantile arrangement against isolation that harks back to the days of the plow and ox.

‘Sex and the City’ vociferously argued across seven seasons the exact opposite- don’t settle. Carrie, Miranda and Charlotte spurned the idea of relationships that would simply function as a defensive fortification against the harsher realities of life.

Perhaps these weren’t women driven by the pounding, shaking beat of their biological clocks. But they said no, repeatedly, to more comfortable lives where someone else paid the bills and proffered the occasional reasonable orgasm in favour of waiting it out for a man who was truly their equal.

What would life have been like for say Miranda if she had followed Gottlieb’s advice and married the charming sports medicine doctor from Season one, episode six, who liked being spanked? Would it have been OK if he had turned out to be a kind, attentive father, who paid the orthodontist’s bills but, who spent his Friday nights getting his arse-smacked red raw by a gum-chewing 19 year-old college student who needed to pay the rent while Miranda fretted about getting the kids into good schools?

Throughout the series, the women of Sex and the City were presented with dozens, if not hundreds of men, who were superficially reasonable propositions that would have neatly fitted Gottlieb’s standard of marriageability.

But, at some point in the narrative arc of each episode, a flaw in each of these sundry bankers, artists, doctors, designers, bartenders and models would be revealed; an incompatibility or an underlying tension. Cue a cocktail and several conversations and these women would inevitably come to the conclusion that they did not need these men in their lives, for anything.

Throughout the series they refused to trade their independence for financial or emotional security, instead presenting the audience with a template of self-sufficiency and pride in their ability to take of their own needs. (ALL of their own needs- remember the episode with Charlotte and the Rabbit?)

The four women of Sex and the City held onto their freedom, their self-respect and their Manolos and for that, well I may not fork out to see the movie, but I will raise a vodka tonic to them for offering a fabulous reminder of why women should not settle.

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    • Eric says:

      05:57am | 04/06/10

      What about men? Should they settle for a partner who is enabled by law to leave on a whim, stripping their hard-earned assets and taking their children and a large part of future income with them?

      There are two sides to the marriage question, yet in the media we only ever see the women’s perspective.

    • daniel says:

      09:37am | 04/06/10

      Eric, as usual, your comments are seriously flawed.

    • GG says:

      10:04am | 04/06/10

      Frankly Eric - there is no agenda being pushed by the media.

      Rather, there are a large number of female writers and a correspondingly large number of female readers.

      Its business, not social engineering.

      In addition, generally men have this sort of thing under control - I.e. they can make their own minds up and don’t have to turn to soap shows for advice - nor are they interested, for the most part, in this sort of horrible drivel.

    • Muttley says:

      10:59am | 04/06/10

      Daniel, where is the flaw? It is a perfectly reasonable point

    • iansand says:

      11:15am | 04/06/10

      Can the Punch get Eric to write his story as an article?  It will be a ripper.

    • Liz says:

      11:34am | 04/06/10

      Sure are and it cutsa both ways or haven’t you heard about those cases?
      What are you doing about changing things in an effective way?

    • Mel says:

      12:19pm | 04/06/10

      Why am I not surprised to see the usual drivel from eric as the first response and as usual missed the point, If women hold out for thier ideal then you have less of the leaving part, it’s when we settle that things go pear shaped when a couple years down the track we actually find what we’re looking for and realise shit, never should have settled

    • Greek Snake says:

      02:17pm | 04/06/10

      Spot on Eric.

      That’s a lot of win for 6am, keep up the good work.

    • Eric says:

      07:13pm | 04/06/10

      Daniel, if you think my comment has a flaw, you should say what it is. Otherwise you can’t be taken seriously.

      GG, I’m amazed to learn that there are no male writers or readers at all. Since there are no serious articles on men’s issues, that must be the case.

      Liz, I am changing things in an effective way by raising consciousness of the issues through my comments.

      Muttley and Greek Snake, thank you. I try. smile

    • zenbubble says:

      09:25pm | 05/06/10

      I think that both sides have unreasonable expections for a life time partner and both are not willing to work it out. sure it may be passionate at first and seem idea… but when you do it for long enough it can get boring or you are both struggling financially… anything can happen at any time… and guys with regards to prenupts, the reason why some of them are not good is that they usually don’t make allowances for kids etc…. if you get a really good lawyers to put in every possibly scenario…you should be fine…this is where america has lead the way..

    • BTS says:

      06:03am | 04/06/10

      Fortunately, the tone of the article allowed me to turn on the skim reader.

      It’s funny how women accept fantasy as somewhere close to anywhere near reality.  Raise your vodka tonic, go back to the housework, raising the kids and cooking the dinner…yes you should not settle, you have it all.

    • Formersnag & Swinging Voter says:

      11:52am | 04/06/10

      @ BTS, agreed mate, apparently “irony” is lost on Daniela. She does not apparently get, that the author’s intent with SATC was to write exactly the same book as Lori Gottlieb by using subtle irony.

    • Bec says:

      07:06am | 04/06/10

      It depends on what your priorities are. I refuse to settle for someone who is racist, or who doesn’t read books, or who stockpiles weapons.

      I don’t think that refusing to settle, in most cases for men or women, is about being shallow or vain: I think it has, for me, more to do with an aversion to ever seeing your photo in a tabloid rag with the byline “living with a monster: why did this woman marry a serial killer who targeted prostitutes?”

    • Macca says:

      08:33am | 04/06/10

      See, Bec, this is the problem with women. Just because a bloke happens to store several AK-47s and a RPG in his backyard shed he is deemed undesirable. I think your standards are a little out of touch

    • Yossarian says:

      09:20am | 04/06/10

      Stockpiles weapons. Serial Killer… hmmm, if those are the type of people you’re attracted to, you have severe issues that make it best that you end up on your lonesome.

    • Markus says:

      09:25am | 04/06/10

      Did you just compare the large percentage of men who are generally honest, decent people albeit a bit emotionally stubborn, with serial rapists and murderers?
      I seriously hope, for everyone’s sake, that you are just insane and your views do not reflect those of anyone else, man or woman.

      Refusing to settle is entirely about being deluded and misguided.
      There have always been guys that think they are too good for anything but a supermodel, when they themselves are probably fat, balding, and not particularly smart or wealthy.

      I daresay that the amount of women with this mindset has vastly overtaken the men in recent times.
      A generation of women taught from birth that they can ‘have it all’ seems to have bred a large group who think they deserve an independently wealthy, smart, funny, attractive, strong yet emotionally attuned man.
      This despite they themselves being self-centred, boring, demanding, financially irresponsible and nowhere near as attractive as they think they are.

      tl;dr version:
      Gottlieb’s book wasn’t about giving up dreams and marrying a member of a KKK lynchmob.
      It was about not being so quick to write off all those guys who fall into the “I really like him, but (extremely petty, minor inconvenience)”.

    • Zeta says:

      09:39am | 04/06/10

      The stockpile is sexy. I’ve always thought it said to potential partners ‘I have a strong, protective, nesting instinct.’ Nothing says ‘baby time’ like coming home and finding your man has fortified the house and you’re now the proud owner of a bunker.

      And don’t you think guys with big stockpiles are just as scared of ending up married to a prostitute who targets serial killers?

    • TheRealDave says:

      11:34am | 04/06/10

      You had me at ‘Stockpile’ Zeta.. *sniff*...you had me at Stockpile….

    • Macca says:

      11:58am | 04/06/10

      @Markus, take a chillpill fella

      @Zeta, I can totally relate, all Men fear their WaGs have a double life as a vigilanty pole dancer

    • Macca says:

      02:49pm | 04/06/10

      On a different note ... Daniela, will you Marry me?

    • KH says:

      08:50am | 04/06/10

      I once knew a guy who rejected a gorgeous, self sufficient woman because…...her feet were too big?!  I’m fairly certain I have been rejected because I am not a model - most people aren’t really, but some guys are just superficial.  I knew a woman once who rejected a lovely guy because he was going bald? I thought he was hot, so I couldn’t understand it.  Everyone can be superficial - depends on what it is,  and some of the reasons you hear for not liking someone are generally are pretty weird.  Can I overlook halitosis? No.  Can I overlook a penchant for prostitutes? Definitely no.  I’m certainly not perfect, but there are some things I just couldn’t ‘settle’ for, no matter how nice the person is, as there are for most people I expect. 

      Ultimately, why would anyone want to be married to someone because its economically viable?  The other day I mentioned that ‘working singles’ pay more for everything - yes, I am whining about it, but I would rather that than have some poor guy that I don’t really love to pay for half.  I would rather be broke than do that to someone.  I certainly wouldn’t want someone to want me for that reason.  That just sounds sad.

    • Tim says:

      08:56am | 04/06/10

      Haha,
      you’re basing your argument on why not to settle on Sex and the City?

      That show is firmly grounded in reality isn’t it.

      I’ve got a tip for young players:

      Women who act like the ladies in this show are the ones you see at nightclubs and bars on weekends, well past their prime, trying to hit on the younger men. This invariably ends up with a few nights of random sex and then they are kicked to the kerb again. Men even close to these cougars age know to stay well clear of these desperate beings.

    • Victoria's Secret says:

      09:11am | 04/06/10

      Gottlieb is 100% correct. Marriage and life isn’t about sparkly adventures and deep romances of rollercoaster proportions. It’s getting home cranky, making dinner, washing up, working a job you’ve come to loathe just to pay the bills, falling asleep on the couch, ironing, cooking, cleaning etc.

      SATC was pure fantasy:
      - there is no way a 2nd rate writer could afford an apartment in Manhattan
      - there is no way a wealthy and handsome man would settle for an over the hill horse

      Charlotte and Miranda did end up settling. Charlotte’s marriage to the “perfect” Trey dissolved and she settled for the overweight bald Jewish lawyer (still an unrealistic coupling as he could have gotten someone younger and hotter with his money). Miranda settled for the spineless Steve.

      In real life these women and their grandmother would be living out in the suburbs, working in poor jobs and dating men that they picked up in the TAB at an RSL club.

      If men had the same standards as women then they wouldn’t settle for anything less than a 19 year old Victoria’s Secret Angel who will never age who cooks like a Masterchef and never says no to sex, who never whines or talks incessantly and likes watching sport while drinking beer.

      Women are lucky men aren’t that picky.

    • Julian Thomas says:

      09:13am | 04/06/10

      thats fine, and men can be fussy too, unless your that new teen throb , you could break all those hearts at whim and not care, by the way thats one guy (that you enable to be ...)dont judge us by how other men treat you if you expect to be considered a “WOMAN”, women are not little girls who challenge other girls for the affection of a single man, grow up!!

    • Ron says:

      09:23am | 04/06/10

      The fact that there are two SATC articles in ‘Punch’ unfortunately reflects the emphasis that our women place on such vacuous shows and the lifestyle that goes with them.

      Our women really have lost the plot. For Daniela, why is it that a woman’s first position is to judge a man rather than get to know him. Women seem to have some misplaced impression of their own status and worth. Women should try looking in the mirror and judging themselves before the obligatory dismantling analysis of any man they meet.

      I just don’t understand why one gender has such a high opinion of themselves, but do put it at the foot of community attitudes. Vacuous air head self opinionation does not make a very attractive package.

      Society and women in particular have dined out on men for decades with a self professed, pre-ordained right of self opinionated rubbish.

      Well men have a different opinion, where relationship and bondship is developed together, through good and hard times. It is the cement that, for example, holds our male war veterans together beyond the years.

      I simply think women have got a lot of ground to make up. They are an unatractive form in their present state, as reflected by SATC (which valued time would never allow to watch) and the mirror imaged women of our society.

    • catch her in the eye says:

      09:25am | 04/06/10

      Oooohhhh, so waiting for the one, being fussy, worked for the three out of four of the SATC women who wanted to marry. Therefore, it will work for you too.

      Fiction.

    • Albie says:

      09:29am | 04/06/10

      Jeez @Eric and @BTS… charming.

      Sex and the City stepped a fine line between women’s independence and neediness. On the one hand, they wouldn’t ‘settle’, but on the other they were OBSESSED with love and the man of their dreams.

      The reason it worked? Because many women face the same struggle - in wildly different contexts and to different degrees of course.

      Many fiercely independent women suddenly become blithering, simpering idiots when they fall in love - many men do too!

      This article, and the article before it, represent some perspectives on women in western society today, and I thank the author of this piece in particular for some good thought provoking stuff.

    • AdamC says:

      09:55am | 04/06/10

      I agree that the ‘love thing’ is important, but think ladies let themselves down in the marriage market (yes, for want of an appropriate euphemism, that is what it is) by doing two things wrong. First, by talking themselves out of dating great men, who they like and are interested in, because said men don’ t meet one or more of a list of totally pedantic requirements (like height, weight, age, dress sense, taste in movies and other assorted rubbish) which dictate the woman’s ‘type’. Why women develop these sorts of lists is beyond me – Just give him a go, girls!

      Second, many women seem to get addicted to that sense of excitement that characterises newer relationships. Once that dies down, some women can’t help but get itchy feet. Of course, they blame the fella – he takes me for granted, he’s lost interest in me. No he hasn’t, it is just that relationships change as they develop. Companionship can be just as nice as courtship; it’s just not as ... exciting. You will have to learn to enjoy the long run of relationships if you intend to settle down.

      Lastly, and almost as importantly, ladies should remember that, in this marriage market they are a (again, no euphemisms) depreciating asset. The two weird dating pathologies are fine when you are at the peak of your market capitalisation, but as you drift past thirtytown, it’s time to find a place and move in. This is especially important as men’s valuation profile is different: we don’t really start depreciating until out mid-thirties and then at a much slower rate than women – even slower if we’ve got cash. Anyway, bottom line, if you want to have an eternally exciting relationship with that arty (but not too arty) human rights lawyer with the sexy curly hair who appreciates the Mitford sisters and the oeuvre of Pedro Almodovar (at least when Penelope Cruz is involved) just as much as you do, you should try to reel him in early!

    • KH says:

      12:37pm | 04/06/10

      Yeah right - and men never judge on looks…... Of course they don’t…..... And men never get itchy feet….....no, that would never happen….........

    • Markus says:

      01:50pm | 04/06/10

      Of course there are men like this too KH.
      I guess the difference is that there isn’t a market of men out there who are turning around now in their 30s and complaining they don’t have a perfect family yet.
      Not as publicly as the group of women at least anyway.

    • AdamC says:

      02:15pm | 04/06/10

      Of course men judge on looks, KH, I never claimed they didn’t. I was talking about the ridiculous, judgemental stuff women rule men out for - not read novels, refusing to eat Korean food, etc - not the major stuff. I don’t expect a gal, for example, to be airily unconcerned about, say, a dude’s income or relationship with his family or something. You’ve totally missed the point!

    • Ron says:

      10:25am | 04/06/10

      Gees Uss Daniela, if men were as chossey and judgemental there would be no partnerships, marriage or children.

    • casey says:

      11:19am | 04/06/10

      I think you have the right sentiment, Elser, but the wrong words.
      Realism in relationships is essential, but settling is just unfair on both parties.

    • analyse this says:

      11:26am | 04/06/10

      The mutton show,laughable the mentality that analyses a fantasy show, and then tries to equate it to daily life seriously vacuous and lacking substance of any decript,lowbrow morons

    • Luke says:

      11:37am | 04/06/10

      I just think we are all fussy because we dont have enough hardships at he moment…
      We dont work all that hard compared to the third world…
      The environment is dying that will probably kill us all in a generation or two and we just dont want to pay the tax required to prevent it…
      We take more credit than we could possibly need to buy unnessary things and then complain about interest rate rises and want the government to SORT IT OUT without raising tax…
      Perhaps love is something that flowers abit more when we overcome hardships together as oppose to enjoying leisure together??

    • Robert Smissen , rural SA says:

      12:26pm | 04/06/10

      Just one question Daniela, do you actually know any men? ? ? of course what you haven’t said is when these “wonderful” women meet “Mr. Perfect”, what makes you think he would waste time with these withered old harpies? ? ?

    • IMHO says:

      12:34pm | 04/06/10

      I don’t know why these things turn into “what women want” or “what men want”. We’re all human beings and we all want something pretty similar. We also all need to make good choices for ourselves. Sometimes our choices don’t turn out right so we have to pick ourselves up and make another choice. This is life. Some people are better at it than others.

    • Mel says:

      12:51pm | 04/06/10

      I have only 2 requirements for a man, that he is attractive to me, everyone is different and we all find different things attractive, doesn’t have to be a model, hell I think Rodney from Stargate atlantis is hot, and is as tall or taller than me, I am 5’8”. Other than that if they can’t turn me on or pleasure me in bed they are gone, I decided long ago that I would not settle for less than a grand passion, yes I realise that passion fades, but to not have that initial one? come on guys if you can’t give me more or the same pleasure as my vibrator why have them around?

    • Stevo the Great says:

      01:38pm | 04/06/10

      Mel that’s three requirements not two. I require a woman who can count.

    • Mel says:

      04:22pm | 04/06/10

      The passion is not a ‘requirement’ they physically have to have it’s more on the relationship side so I stand by my 2, if they don’t have those 2 it never moves on to see about the passion

    • Moi says:

      02:13pm | 04/06/10

      lol Steve the ‘Great’...I don’t think you’d be Mel’s type actually.  The 2 requirements were that the man is attractive to her and that he can pleasure her in bed.  What was the 3rd??

    • Paul Horn says:

      03:22pm | 04/06/10

      That he is taller than her doofus!!! God not another artsy type that can’t count!!!!

    • Mel says:

      04:23pm | 04/06/10

      Moi - and it’s been my experience that men really don’t know what they are doing

    • BTS says:

      06:24pm | 04/06/10

      What does that say about your ability to choose men?

    • Moi says:

      11:44pm | 04/06/10

      @Paul Horn…re-read Mel’s comment, I accept your apology wink

      Mel, it can be a trial can’t it??

    • Mel says:

      08:21am | 05/06/10

      BTS - nothing to do with my ability, I don’t go for one type, I have had a very wide range of lovers and yup accross the board no idea, it’s been pleasant but not mind blowing, I can do better on my own

    • Zeta says:

      02:39pm | 04/06/10

      The Ancient Greeks, who for SATC viewers were a bunch of guys who wore togas and invented homosexuality and democracy (which for SATC viewers, is ‘gayness’ and ‘voting’ - which for SATC viewers is ‘that thing you do to pick the Australian Idol winner) - believed that the Gods created humans with two heads, four arms, and four legs and both male and female genitalia. Now I can’t be bothered googling just what it was we did to piss the Gods off, but I imagine looking at us was enough - so they cursed us and split us in two, the curse being that we can never truly be happy until we found the other half of ourselves.

      We’re not cursed to spend our lives wandering the Earth looking for the man or woman who will ‘look after the kids’ or ‘do the ironing’ or ‘will be loyal’ or ‘isn’t too bad in bed’. We’re supposed to be looking for that one person that completes us.

      Call me old fashioned, call me sentimental - but there is no mention of the L word in this article, or in the atrocious book it references.

      As former NSW Premier Nathan Rees once famously said - ‘being stuck in traffic is like being in love, when you’re in love, you’re in love, and you know you’re in love’ - that’s probably not the best quote, but it should be repeated as often as possible.

      If you’re not in love, than you shouldn’t settle for it. On that I’m with the shrews from SATC. But not because of small, domestic incompatibilities. You should reject someone as your partner because you don’t love them. That’s really it.

      No one ever finds perfection. Even me, I might look and sound perfect but I steadfastly refuse to clean up after myself and I can’t count how many towel racks I’ve smashed so I have an excuse for leaving them on the floor. But it’s not about perfection. It’s about love, and compared to love domestic eccentricities pale in significance.

    • Paul Horn says:

      03:50pm | 04/06/10

      Yeah but what do you mean by love? Love is culturally defined. Different cultures view love in entirely different contexts. In the Philipines for instance being a trendy pot smoking long haired surfie dude with a guitar trying to break into the “music industry” does not cut the mustard with the ladies. Why because hooking up with such a person will relegate you to living under a piece of corrugated iron next to an open sewer trench. Not particularly pleasant. So just about all women who generally are well educated in the Phillipines set their hats for professional men with a good education who earn well above the average wage, like by a factor of 10. You say to the average Phillipina working in the office “What kind od man are you looking for?” and she replies"Oh just an average guy on an average wage”. So you say “What about the driver? He’s earns an average wage” and she replies “Oh no must be earning at least 50,000 pesos a month!” Whooppeee!!

      In the West the counterculture (Hollywood filth, womens mags, celebrities etc) dictate to women what they will find attractive. Women are far more concerned with what other women think of their mate than are men. Looks come first providing he has that effete Hollywood look about him. Too much rugged masculinity is a turn off to todays uber sophisticated woman.     

      If we were at war and staring 100 million Chinese soldiers down on our Northern borders then effete man would not get a look in. We would be granstanding men who could provide military success though in this case that would most likely be shortlived. 

      As we are all extremely well fed, well sheltered, too highly paid especially the average deadhead we desire more ephemeral things. The realities of life are no longer a requirement. However when a Western woman allows a George Clooney look alike to romance her and he turns out to be a drug sucking layabout he will be given short shrift in no time. No woman wants a bloke living off her hence the advertisements in the lonely hearts columns stipulating that the male must be financially secure. Strangley the same is not true of male advertisers, they want a lady who is aesthetically secure.

      Men stupid halfwits as they are will be very happy generally with a woman that looks good and is nice to them unless they are real lookers themselves and wish to play the field. Women want more even if they are not total knockouts but are relatively physically pleasing.

      Engineers end up marrying ugly women - c’est la vie!

    • stephen says:

      02:46pm | 04/06/10

      I’m trying ter find a gal who’s got lots of money all her teeth and leaves me alone.
      Any hints, Ms Elser ?

    • zoe says:

      03:22pm | 04/06/10

      So basically settle and we have a humdrum boring life or don’t settle and we have great shoes? Sounds like great choices to me.  Having watched a few episodes of SATC I am still trying to get the point.  My husband laughs at me because I sit there with my mouth hanging open and my face looks like a question mark, I must have missed the shoe and shopping gene when I was born. 
      Surely there is a middle ground people my husband and I can not possibly be the only ones who have found it?

    • KJ Storm says:

      03:31pm | 04/06/10

      My wish list;

      Wears less makeup than me (trust me it’s important)
      Has respect for himself
      Has respect for me
      Wants to share our lives but is confident enough to do his own thing without me and to allow me to do my own thing without him.

      End of list.

    • BK says:

      06:43pm | 04/06/10

      If women want to be fussy, they cannot afford to sleep around. In real life, women who acted like the SATC women couldn’t afford to have too many standards at all.

    • stephen says:

      10:54pm | 04/06/10

      Don’t have a wish list, really.
      What you want is what every girl wants.

      If you make lots of friends and do the best you can (career wise), you can’t lose.

    • Chris says:

      06:56pm | 06/06/10

      All relationships are about compromise. You decide what you are willing to sacrifice of yourself and what aspects of the other person you’ll judiciously ignore.
      I don’t pretend for a second that I am the perfect match for my wife, but she had to choose from the limited stock in our part of the world. I, likewise.
      See, you’ll only ever meet a thousand people in your life at the most. You’ll have the chance to have lasting contact with a hundred of these. Out of those, you’ll end up with perhaps five real friends and some acquaintances and colleagues. You’ll also choose a partner, call it “love” (which it may be), find some way towards sexual compatibility, sort out finances and household, and compromise every step of the way.

    • Brat says:

      07:01am | 07/06/10

      Chris: “I don’t pretend for a second that I am the perfect match for my wife, but she had to choose from the limited stock in our part of the world. I, likewise.”

      I dare any of you to use this quote in your wedding vows!

    • Keydren says:

      09:11am | 17/10/11

      Thanks for sahring. Always good to find a real expert.

    • Lenna says:

      09:50am | 17/10/11

      This site is like a clsasorom, except I don’t hate it. lol

 

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