Apparently one in four teenagers experiment with drugs.  Though you’ve got to wonder whether the real hellraisers are dutifully completing questionnaires or participating in whatever research it is from which these statistics are derived.

Mmmmkay?

For young people involved in the advertising industry the figure increases from one in four to three in four. Of course that second figure is bollocks – or more precisely, I made it up and have no evidence for it. 

In any event, in the vast majority of cases, the one in four have their fun, push their boundaries and get away with it. Now they’re grown up: They’ve got mortgages, business cards, ABNS, golf clubs, lawnmowers, children.  And their bongs, pills or powders are safely consigned to the annals of history.

Or so it seemed, until I perused the government’s information for families about teenagers and drugs.  Perhaps the most useful tidbit of advice was to consider ahead of time what your response will be if your kids ask whether you yourself have taken drugs. This prompted me to workshop this issue from the perspective of the grown-up experimenters. 

Perhaps the bottom line in the government’s advice is that teenagers are looking for role models in all aspects of their lives, including drugs. As the National Drug Campaign emphasises, effective role models are “informed, upfront and honest”.

And herein lies the dilemma. 

We all want our children to have the wealth of wonderful experiences that we had.  The adventures, the travel, the great loves, even some of the risk-taking – but not the drugs.  But now we also want, or need, to be role models: informed – not a problem; upfront – check: and honest – well…in what sense of the word… ?

Perhaps you can readily excise the topic of drugs from the general need to be candid with children.  After all, you weren’t exactly forthcoming about the tooth fairy and that didn’t render you a big fat liar.

So it’s easy in theory – when my child asks me if I have used drugs, I will not openly and honestly explain that, “were it not for [insert drug of choice], I would probably never have met your godparents”, rather I will just deny, fudge, and obfuscate as required. 

But I’m here to tell you that even if you’re happy to doctor your personal history regarding drugs, don’t assume you will succeed.

The first law of children is that they can smell fear – ask any student teacher.  The second law is that they can detect bullshit – with their acuity peaking at about the age of 15.

Lying to children is not impossible, but it is a bit like learning to breakdance: You will probably fail, you will certainly look stupid along the way, and if you succeed, has it really got you somewhere you wanted to go?

Maybe it’s better to face up to the divots in your own moral fairway. After all there’s always someone that’s got it worse.  Would a parent who partied two nostrils into one sound more or less convincing when they tell their kid to “just say no”?

The government website proposes that when confronted with a “But you used drugs, Dad” scenario you can counter with a, “Yes, I did, but it’s dangerous and I would make a different decision today.”

And perhaps this is the best reply, although the silence one can anticipate in response is almost palpable. 

The problem is what’s good for the goose is not good for the gosling.

I don’t have the answer, but the task of devising a strategy warrants several bottles of wine…

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    • TChong says:

      06:24am | 19/04/11

      Why the hyseria about drugs, specially cannabis ?
      Some positive role model(s) would have to include Bill and Ben The Flowerpot men.
      As we all know , A Little Weed never did them any harm.!!!
                                        smile

    • michael j says:

      10:27am | 19/04/11

      @TChong-As was seen on tv reports the PM & Premier of QLD are ex dopers from their UNI days ,,also former PRES of USA Bill the i didn’t inhale Clinton,,so the act of experimenting with a drug/s will not harm your’e future work prospects unless you are caught,,in which case your life is pretty well f—-d,,,,,,,,,,,,

    • Brett says:

      12:22pm | 19/04/11

      I loved Obama’s response when he was asked if he inhaled: “I kinda thought that was the whole point…”

    • David the Atheist says:

      02:35pm | 19/04/11

      As Christopher Hitchens reveals (who attended Oxford at the same time), Clinton was being technically correct by saying he didn’t inhale, he ingested raspberry

      I for one think the more honest you are about your drug experience(s) the better the outcome. On reflection I doubt most people can honestly say their drug use (including alcohol and tobacco) had only negative or only positive outcomes - the truth is somewhere between.

      Include in your honesty a frank explanation for your change in habits, I for one was playing soccer at a fairly competitive level at the age of 18 and wanted to ensure I was as fit as possible. However, in ceasing my drug habits I realised how little I missed it and have never taken up any with any kind of regularity or persistence (including alcohol) since ending my soccer days.

      Being honest in this manner doesn’t mean you’re undermining any of the government health education campaigns or their Health & Wellbeing Education curriculum. It provides a genuine perspective which facilitates the parent in providing their real advice to their children. Simply telling them to say no has been demonstrated to be ineffective, especially for a particular subgroup of teens with risk taking propensity.

      While I doubt this approach would drastically reduce the proportion of teens who take drugs it can influence the way they use drugs and even the types of drugs. This to me is more crucial if you’re interested in producing well-adjusted and experienced adults.

    • michael j says:

      03:00pm | 19/04/11

      @Brett- L.M.F. H.O.no fn way mate,that’s NOT TRUE,WHERE CAN I FIND A CLIP,,i’ll be smilen for dayz over that one,,,,

    • Scot says:

      05:55pm | 19/04/11

      My step brother is now under medical supervision for the rest of his life as he had serious issues before he started smoking this shit and we always wondered why he had serious issues in respecting others and treating other family members with disrespect. The guys is a lawyer and married with kids. I like many others have walked away from him as one nevr knows when the switch could reset?

    • S.L says:

      07:02am | 19/04/11

      My own 2 kids are young so I won’t be bringing the subject up for a while but their mum never even smoked tobacco so (I hope) they have a head start in this debate.
      I however was the typical dopey teen/20 something. Grass and hash was the staple drug of choice in the ‘burbs in the 70s and 80s with the odd loser getting into herion. Only uni types did cocain.
      By the ripe old age of 20 I got sick of it and haven’t even touched a joint in nearly 30 years.
      Tobacco and alcohol are harder to cut out for me. I finally gave up smoking 5 years ago (cold turkey) but still enjoy a drink or 4 on a day off.
      You can educate your kids as much as you want but they will do as they want so you just have to try and guide them. But remember go too far and they might rebel to spite you!

    • Jade says:

      07:09am | 19/04/11

      I don’t think I will be telling my kids (when I have them) about what I have done.  If I tell them that I have done drugs they will think “Oh, well Mum did it, it must be okay”.  I think its better to continue with the drugs are the devil stance! Lol they may listen, they may not. I will cross that bridge when in arrives.

    • Sarah says:

      10:14am | 19/04/11

      Nah, completely disagree. My Mum was an ex hippie druggo and told me all about it! She tried pretty much every drug there was, but her drug of choice was cannabis (which I think should be legal in Oz, I’m half dutch). I talked to her about all the drugs she tried and what they felt like. I would never try heroin or cocaine because of her testimony. She reckons that after doing it once she had massive withdrawal symptoms and that it was so difficult to kick it after one dose. If I am half her, then I will face the same situation, and I don’t want to. She also told me that if I wanted to try drugs there are drugs that I can try that won’t affect me long term as long as its only once. And she also told me the importance of trying drugs when you are near a red cross or hospital and surrounded by reliable friends.
      I’ve done a few drugs now, all only once. I had one bad reaction, but thanks to my mum’s advice, I was near a hospital and my reliable fiance was there to help me. My Mum informed me very well and raised me well. I think that is the best combo.

    • Jade says:

      10:56am | 19/04/11

      I grew up in a house with a lot of drugs (mostly weed) and in the past few years have talked about a lot of what I have done and what my Mum has done and still do now after a big weekend.

      Growing up I was extremely embarrassed that my parents did drugs.  I though they were the only ones and I didn’t like having friends over because I didn’t want them to now about it.

      I suppose the only thing about growing up with them around is that I’m not scared to do them myself when the situation presents itself.

      The only things I won’t ever touch is ice, heroin and those pills you hear about people self mutilating and stuff.  I don’t really fancy weed as I have seen the negative effects it can have on an individual.

    • Aaron says:

      11:15am | 19/04/11

      So Sarah because of your mum’s advice you had to go to hospital for an overdose? Not sure that is really helping the arguement.

    • Brett says:

      11:58am | 19/04/11

      Aaron, you missed Sarah’s point entirely.

      If Sarah hadn’t had her mum’s advice, she could have had that one bad reaction in a completely different environment and died. Better she was near a hospital (because that’s what her Mum recommended) than not.

      On the topic in general, I think anyone who thinks their kids are angels and NOT going to try weed or an e (or something worse) on the basis of “drugs are bad” is kidding themselves. Honest discussion is a far better approach. I know if my niece ever came to me to ask about drugs, I’d certainly tell her the few I’ve done and how they felt. I’d also give her alternatives - instead of smoking a joint to relax, darling, why don’t we go get ourselves an all day spa treatment and massage? It will feel A LOT better!! But I wouldn’t for a second think she wasn’t going to turn around and try it herself, and at least I would have armed her with adequate knowledge of the best environment she can be in to try IF things go wrong.

    • Knemon says:

      12:30pm | 19/04/11

      I disagree to Sarah - I never hid my cannabis use from my children, I was open and honest with them, answering what questions they may have had, the only lie I ever told them was when they were very young was that daddy and mummy would end up in gaol if they ever told their friends or teachers, as they got older I would let them partake if they wanted to, none of them did, I assume that was because I had removed the stigma or the unknown factor associated with dope, they had no reason to rebel, perhaps they saw what it did to mummy and daddy wink - and now that they’ve left the nest, not one of them uses recreational drugs of any kind and they all have successful careers…perhaps I was just lucky?

    • Kika says:

      12:34pm | 19/04/11

      Ha no my mum told me and she did WAY more than I ever did… it kind of puts you off the whole thing!

    • Jay76 says:

      02:54pm | 19/04/11

      They must also be wondering why you aren’t doing it now (assuming you aren’t).

    • Kitty says:

      08:46am | 20/04/11

      Im with you Jade.  I took every drug except heroin and GHB every weekend for about 4 years and I feel the same way you do, I fear if I say that I did it then they will think its ok for them to do it.  I’m 30 years old and have two 19 year old nephews who go out all the time and they talk to me about this and that, I sometimes want to blurt out the things I got up to but know I shouldnt because they look up to me and I dont want them to think its ok, or take the opposite affect and judge me.

      Having said that though, I can tell them til I am blue in the face the dangers of it all and it affects so much etc in an attempt to stop them from trying it, but all they have to do is do it once to see that anything I try to scare them off with isnt entirely true.

    • Reggie says:

      04:26pm | 22/04/11

      I have to be quite honest and say that, other than alcohol, I have never tried any sort of recreational drugs. Yes I do feel a bit left out but then I think of some of the bad reactions I’ve had to legitimate medication.

      I’m still trying to calm down an overactive thyroid due to one of them and what would happen if I took the offer of my mate in hospital to come and set me up with a couple of plants?  Would it fix my heart or would it explode? F***** if I know. Still got your number and still undecided Larry. smile

    • Phil says:

      07:26am | 19/04/11

      Other than my wife I dont think I know anyone who didnt have a go with some form of drugs.
      Yes I will be honest with my children, and having worked the doors of many an inner city club and pub I recon I can almost pick what type of drugs someone is on, whether its dope, smack, disco smarties, all loved up or ice based on their actions and moods.
      Therefore my kids are probably at a disadvantage with me than with others. If they do try and they may I will still love them but counsel them accordingly.

    • Faybian says:

      05:48am | 21/04/11

      If your kids know that then they may try to avoid you when they’re high. I know mine did, because she knew that I’d be able to tell what she was on. With drugs there’s no way to win with your kids and no way to predict which ones will try them. Having said that I think the “war on drugs” was lost years ago and we need to take a different approach.

    • MagentaMittens says:

      07:39am | 19/04/11

      My Mum told me she had, in fact she made me promise that the first time I tried anything it would be with her. Smart woman, I didn’t what every 14 year old would do and rebelled. I didn’t drink till I was 21, dabbled very lightly in drugs mid twenties and that was it. I’ll be having the same chat with my children when I have them!

    • Chris says:

      11:47am | 19/04/11

      Same here - I didn’t have the same desire for drugs when my mum gave me a talk - said that she was fine me trying weed when I was about 14, as long as I did it at home with her about.

      And that both mum and dad didn’t mind what drugs I took as long as I told them everything either the night before or the next day.

    • BMJ says:

      07:40am | 19/04/11

      No, but they’ll know I did by how much I know on subject.

    • Hepatoma says:

      07:59am | 19/04/11

      I got into drugs bigtime when I was a kid.  Despite leaving all that behind nearly 40 years ago, I contracted Hepatitis C which has now developed into liver cancer.

      My kids are in their late teens and early twenties and I’ve been honest with them about the cause of my chronic illness.  Neither of them even smokes nor drinks alcohol, much less take drugs.  I say be honest with them, but give them the whole story - including potential consequences.

    • Zaf says:

      10:20am | 19/04/11

      How on earth did you not pass the Hep C on to your kids?

    • bella starkey says:

      12:51pm | 19/04/11

      My dad has hep C, I don’t.

    • Eva says:

      12:22pm | 23/04/11

      I also used IV drugs when I was a homeless teenager. I contracted Hepatitis C as a result and only found out when I was pregnant with my second child. This was in the late 80’s, early 90’s when testing wasn’t fully developed. Neither of my chidren has the disease, thank god. I’m very sorry to hear you have cancer. My mother also died from chirrosis of the liver due to alcoholism. I can speak from experience that drugs and alcohol are definitely bad. Sadly, most people only learn that through experience.

    • Mr Real says:

      07:59am | 19/04/11

      My daughter as a teen (a decade ago) probably spent her school years in a haze of dope (or at least all the boys she hung out with did – I certainly recognised the symptoms). But my son turned out to be actively hostile to drug-use. They both went to a school where drugs were the conformist thing to do (they all are now) and he wanted to be “different”. It was probably too late before I even thought to say anything (13?), but I do recall saying. “I can’t believe that what I thought was cool to do 25 years ago still is,” and “Don’t for one minute let anyone tell you they’re harmless. They’re not”

      Just be honest. But if parents are still using themselves, as many were when I was in my 30s and 40s, and did so when their younger kids noticed, they’re sunk.

    • thatmosis says:

      08:12am | 19/04/11

      Didnt experiment with drugs so theres no problem. Had the knowledge and the nouse not to be a herd follower unlike the majority who now have to explain to their kids that yes we used drugs but you shouldnt. Serves you clowns right. People are supposed to lead by example but what kind of example is this, to openly confess to your kids that you were stupid and didnt have enough self discipline not to use drugs but they shouldnt follow your example. It is to laugh. Losers.

    • Mary says:

      09:33am | 19/04/11

      “Serves you clowns right.”

      You assume we are sorry for it, I’m not.

      If my kids ever ask for advice about drugs they will get a little understanding rather than condemation. I will be honest and say I tried them, got bored with it and moved on. Some of my friends got deep into them and various life circumstances have come from it.

      The one I will try to keep them away from is the ciggies, I know a couple people who really enjoy them, but most just lament ever starting.

      Drugs and experimenting are a part of life, besides which, who is going to supply me with my stash of confiscated dope?

    • Markus says:

      09:43am | 19/04/11

      You do realise that being one of the 3 in 4 who didn’t experiment with drugs makes you the majority, right?

    • Zee says:

      09:50am | 19/04/11

      Not all of us are able to get high on our own self righteousness.

    • jay76 says:

      02:56pm | 19/04/11

      Someone here never learned to chill out.

    • mary says:

      03:02pm | 19/04/11

      Think you hit the nail thatmosis. Herd followers indeed an with a bit of luck their children won’t be as they will rebel against whatever it is their parents did.

      Parents and schools should teach kids what happens to brains, lungs and livers of those who can’t control what they put in their bodies. Just sad.

      Only responding to note that the earlier Mary is not me. Will now change my name. Welcoming Mary.

    • HT says:

      07:38am | 20/04/11

      Yes, you seem to think you know everything because you didn’t ever experiment with drugs.  Get off your high horse, because it is crapping all over the place.

    • shelagh says:

      07:35am | 21/04/11

      and that’s exactly the kind of attitude that will get ou a drug fu%$ed, schitzophrenic, 25 year child on a disability pension for the rest of their life. i’m not saying that i agree with sitting down and bonging on with your 14 year old but you can’t just assume that because you were so staunch in your approach that your kids will be. our kids also need to know that we are human after all.

    • Chris Jones says:

      08:45am | 22/04/11

      most of your replyers claim some form of ‘benifit’ from their drug use, well I also have never smoked or otherwise drugged myself, I am also effectively a non drinker. If I want to get ‘high’ I go skydiving, ‘intense drawn out floating sensation’ scuba diving. ‘chill out’ watch a funny movie. I had a recent medical and was advised that for the average person today I was far fitter, healthier and likely to live far longer than most of my generation. I can smell a smoker from 500m upwind, see the drugs you lot ingest in your faces, profiles, driving style and staggering gait. Just do everyone a favour and overdose now or have the belief to tatoo on yourselves DNR when the ambo’s arrive with the hyperdermic.

    • nossy says:

      08:21am | 19/04/11

      I have to confess Amy in the late 60’s as a young lad I did “inhale - as Obama has also confessed. They were heady innocent days unlike now where hard drugs permeate our society. A little bit of weed and some good music - Dylan, The Beatles etc is a far cry from today with all the bad stuff freely available. I pity the poor kids of today.

    • ShamWow says:

      11:28am | 19/04/11

      They are some heavily rose tinted glasses you have on… There are still plenty of young people, such as myself, who enjoy a joint and some great music (The Beatles, Dylan, Pink Floyd, Zep, etc). 

      Drugs aren’t as much of a problem as the attitude of those who take them is.

    • caNUTE says:

      08:22am | 20/04/11

      I also spent youth smokin and partaking bit. Was industry manager by 24 and problem solver. mY degrees maybe slower than could have been?!  My kids all tried and had to have my lectures ...lol… about consequences and real world problems. Out of six, 5 so far successful uni amd going places. have a puff sometimes but non in the constant groove of time wasting. Those self rightious ones saying loosers. YOU HAVE NO IDEA…chukles.. So long as secure and in good frame of mind, great feelings. But if misused, bad shit happens like everything. Being honest and open was the only way. And hiding behind tyhe illegal banner. I KNOW YOU HAVE SPED IN YOUR CAR! Impossible not to have. HAVE YOU HANDED YOURSELF IN YET?,, hypocrites

    • Jade (the other one) says:

      08:23am | 19/04/11

      I don’t have a need to worry about this question, because I never broke the law. Drugs are illegal, no need to do them.

      I think articles such as this do a great deal of harm in normalising the concept of experimentation with drugs. The simple fact is that drugs are highly dangerous and very bad for you, and making it a normal part of one’s youth is a dangerous road to go down.

      My children will be made aware, as I was, that breaking the law is unacceptable in my house. If they choose to do drugs, have underage sex, drink underage or shoplift, they choose not to live under my roof.

      Why do we accept it as normal and acceptable that one will rebel by breaking the law in such a self-destructive way?

    • BMJ says:

      08:46am | 19/04/11

      That’s a nice story Jade, but it’s not the reality of modern society.

      The whole notion of not doing drugs because it’s illegal as an argument/deterrent is a lost cause. It was lost a long long time ago.

    • Eleanor says:

      09:23am | 19/04/11

      Because of course, by virtue of the fact that they’re legal, alcohol and tobacco are perfectly harmless.

      I’d much prefer my children come home stoned rather than get a phone call from the ER saying they’ve got alcohol poisoning.

      It’s good to see you’ve got your priorities in order, Jade - that you care more about the law than you do about your own child’s welfare. Let me know how that works out for you.

    • loxy says:

      09:30am | 19/04/11

      Dig your head in that sand a bit further Jade and just maybe reality really will dissapear. You’re kidding yourself if you think something being illegal is a deterrant to a teenager. Further, if you intend to kick your child out at the age of 13 or 14 because they tried drugs then be prepared for a whole lot worse from your child when they are living on the streets.

    • Jade (the other one) says:

      09:53am | 19/04/11

      @BMJ - The reason it isn’t the reality of modern society is that we excuse behaviour as “the folly of youth”. I wasn’t excused from doing things I knew were wrong because I was young. I knew that if I came home drunk, came home pregnant, came home stoned or high, I was not welcome in my parent’s house.

      My parents didn’t do drugs, and they didn’t have sex underage. My mother didn’t drink underage, and my father did it once in his small town. The arse-kicking he received from the local cop stopped him from even considering it until much later in life.

      All this idea of kidding myself - I’m glad to see the cries of “you’re not normal”, “you’re weird” etc haven’t changed from my teenage days. I was a child not raised in a religious household, who still found the idea of doing the wrong thing by my parents abhorrent. Mostly because I was actually taught from a very young age that certain behaviour is unacceptable.

      There were no excuses whatsoever in my household. The trouble is that parents nowadays excuse their children’s behaviour constantly. “Oh he’s young.” “Oh we all smoked a bit of weed.” “Oh we all had sex at 15.” Maybe if this attitude wasn’t so prevalent, you all wouldn’t have engaged in self-destructive behaviours.

      @Eleanor - Learn to read - I stated quite clearly that underage drinking and sex were both behaviours that I found wrong. I didn’t mention smoking because its really not at the forefront of my mind - but that should have been included too if they are under 18. Its not to do with caring more about the law - its about caring about my other children and the rest of my family. Self-destructive behaviour like underage promiscuity, drinking, smoking, drugs affects the entire family. And its a choice that they are making, fully informed of the facts and the consequences.

    • Jade says:

      09:56am | 19/04/11

      Haha this comment made me laugh. Good luck with you kids when they get to that age. Drugs are a lot more prevalent in society than you think, illegal or not.

    • Jane2 says:

      10:24am | 19/04/11

      Eleanor, there are just as many car accidents caused by “altered state of reality” as from alcohol and there is a very strong correlation (though no firm undeniable evidence yet) that weed does seem to play a part with triggering mental illness in those already acceptable.

    • Eleanor says:

      11:50am | 19/04/11

      “its about caring about my other children and the rest of my family”

      I find that hard to believe when you’re prepared to kick them out of your home into the streets for misdemeanors. Teenagers make mistakes. It’s your prerogative to punish as you see fit as a parent - nobody is refuting that. I think however kicking a teenager out of your home for trying alcohol or hitting third base is grossly excessive.

      I’m beginning to suspect you’re a troll.

    • Max Johnson says:

      12:04pm | 19/04/11

      @Jane2

      Do some research, you’ll find that alcohol related car accidents overshadow all other substances while driving combined. If there’s drugs in someone’s system there’s a strong possibility alcohol is in their bloodstream too.

      And I think you mean susceptible, not acceptable raspberry

      I’ve tried mostly everything that doesn’t require a needle. Never been addicted.

      Pot is very habit forming however. Treat it like alcohol and you can’t go wrong. You wouldn’t get drunk every night of the week would you?

    • Rose says:

      12:05pm | 19/04/11

      So, basically what you are saying is if your children don’t live up to your high standards you will turn your back on them. Sorry, but I think getting out from under your roof may very well be the best thing for them.
      People are meant to make mistakes, it’s how they learn. It’s only people like you that think they are perfect who clearly don’t ever screw up. I have six kids and they are under no illusions that I am anti-drugs, that I consider sex to be quite a significant step to take with another person, that I am not likely to be terribly impressed if they break the law. More importantly, they also know that I will always be there to pick up the pieces should they fall and that nothing they could ever do would stop me from loving them.
      My kids also know many of the stories of my youth, that I tried dope but it was a waste of time because all it ever did was make me sleep, that me and Southern Comfort had a meaningful relationship between the ages of 16-19, that I made mistakes which hurt myself and occasionally others (fortunately not that badly). They know that if I had my time again I would have made some different decisions, and I also that I couldn’t guarantee I wouldn’t make some of the same ones, or even worse ones. They know that the one thing I always had was friends I could trust, who would always look out for me, and that that is the most important insurance policy they will ever need.
      Sorry, but I feel sorry for your kids, your need to be right outweighs your need to be a caring parent.

    • Jade (the other one) says:

      12:32pm | 19/04/11

      To me, Eleanor, misdemeanours involve climbing the tree they aren’t supposed to, or sneaking chocolate when they weren’t meant to. Maybe watching a movie or TV show they are not allowed to. Listening to music they know they aren’t supposed to. Talking back. Wearing make-up when they know they aren’t supposed to.

      Mistakes are things like sitting up too late and missing an exam, doing an assignment on the night before it is due, forgetting their go card and having to get me to pick them up.

      Taking drugs is a self-destructive, damaging choice that people make despite the wealth of knowledge available to them. Having sex underage, drinking underage, smoking etc. are the same.

      I cannot support the idea of my child destroying themselves as “rebellion” or a “mistake”.

      And considering I managed to make it through my teenage years without a need to do any of those things, without even the slightest inclination to, as I viewed the consequences of not being in my loving, supportive home as far outweighing any possible benefits of taking drugs or having sex etc., I really doubt the “expert” advice of child psychologists etc who claim that its “natural” for children to do these things, “normal” for them to rebel. I have a feeling its their way of justifying their reckless and stupid choices in early life.

      @Rose - I never claimed to be perfect. I make mistakes all the time. I miss my trains, I sleep late, I mix up appointments, I overspend my money on occasion. I moved to a country town which simply wasn’t right for me.

      But I have never made a deliberate choice to destroy myself, despite the overwhelming information provided to me about the negative consequences of certain choices. It’s not a “mistake” made by teenagers. Its a choice that they make that society continues to normalise with “oh, well, everyone does it.”

      I don’t agree with that.

    • HappyCynic says:

      12:33pm | 19/04/11

      @Jade (the other one)

      One of the main reasons some kids go on self-destructive binges is because of control-freaks and hypocrites like you.  And I guarantee that you’re hypocritical because all people are.

      Also I doubt you’d throw your kids on the street unless you’re a sociopath.  Breaking the law is not as important to a good parent as loving your kids unconditionally.  This you might know if you had any kids of your own.

    • Jade (the other one) says:

      12:35pm | 19/04/11

      @Jade, I am well aware of the prevalence of drugs, considering that a majority of my friends either take them currently, or were addicts in a past life. Doesn’t make it right, or acceptable.

      I’ll repeat - this attitude that experimentation is normal is simply not the case. I never needed to, so I don’t really see why it’s necessary for me to accept it from my children.

    • Rose says:

      12:49pm | 19/04/11

      So now what you are saying is that even though you make mistakes, you are quite prepared to sit in judgement of the mistakes of others. That the love you have for your children is conditional. I pity your children even more now, you are judgemental, cold and ignorant.
      You do realize that your stance could turn a teenager who erred into a teenager who takes a really bad path all because you are prepared to remove support at the first hurdle.
      Also remember, your children are not you, their decisions will be based on different circumstances and just because you never did something that doesn’t mean that they won’t feel the need or desire to.
      It doesn’t matter who we are we get to learn from our mistakes. You think you are protecting your children but you aren’t. You are stopping them from having the confidence and support systems they need to spread their wings, you want their wings clipped so they only do what you think is OK. The other thing is that you are creating an environment where your kids cannot possibly have the freedom to come to their mother to discuss issues like sex and drugs, without free communication you cannot help them, you risk making things far worse than necessary.

    • Eleanor says:

      12:54pm | 19/04/11

      “But I have never made a deliberate choice to destroy myself”

      You already have, by choosing to see everything in black and white. I feel sorry for you.

    • Jade (the other one) says:

      01:20pm | 19/04/11

      @Rose - quit with the new age psycho babble. Taking drugs is not a mistake. Children have the dangers explained to them in school, they see it in advertising, they have doctors and the like tell them. They make a deliberate choice to do it because it is viewed by society as an expectation that children will dabble in drugs. That this is an expected mistake.

      Same with sex, underaged drinking, etc etc. They know the potential dangers. They do it, because instead of it being unacceptable, they get told its expected. It’s a “mistake”.

      I was told that by doing these things, I would not be “making a mistake”. I would be making a deliberate choice, for which there were consequences. The consequences for certain choices were more severe than for others. For instance, if I made the choice not to study, I was told that I would no longer attend school. I had the option to rectify this later in life if I chose, but would not receive the support that I currently received to succeed. I chose to study hard and stay in school. My parents told me if I came home pregnant, I would be quitting school, and starting a job to support my child. They would have no part in the care of my child, since it was my choice to have one by having sex. Or I could have an abortion. I chose not to have sex. My parents informed me that if I drank before I was 18, I would no longer be allowed out of the house without them. If I snuck out to drink, I would be asked to leave the house. I chose not to drink, because I liked the freedom of being able to go out, and I liked living under my parents’ roof. My parents told me if I took drugs, the consequence was that I would no longer live under their roof. Amazingly, I liked living under my parents’ roof, and made the considered choice not to do drugs so that I could continue to do so.

      My parents never hid things from me. I knew exactly which of my parents’ friends did drugs, what drugs they did. My mother told me about the propensity of some of my favourite authors to do drugs, and that it had helped them produce some beautiful pieces of poetry and literature. And she also told me about those whose lives had been ruined by it.

      I had a full knowledge of the facts, and the consequences of my choices. And I deliberately made those choices that I considered were in my best interest.

      I always could approach my parents about any issues I had in relation to drugs, sex, alcohol, smoking. My father drinks like a fish and smokes like a chimney. Yet I never felt the need to touch alcohol until I was 18. Because I was aware of the consequences of doing so. My children will be made aware of the consequences. If they believe that the positives of a certain choice outweigh the negative consequences - that is not my problem.

    • Bolverk says:

      02:29pm | 19/04/11

      I was raised in a strictly religious home, with good parents who didn’t drink, smoke, take drugs, eat meat, or really do anything at all. I went to a religious private school, was dux most years, had many friends, and was quite involved at our local church. Still, I was very depressed, cutting and suicidal. Counselling was not helpful, and I went on to take up drinking and smoking underage, and later gambling and most drugs. Many of these activities were near problem levels at one time or another, and I didn’t feel I had anyone I could talk to about it, other than a few good friends who mostly had their own issues. The fact that they’re bad for you or illegal really doesn’t mean a lot when one can’t see any life ahead. Eventually I found the right psychiatrist who worked out the correct diagnosis, but a lot of damage was done in the mean time, and the very promising life that once looked so certain for me now seems anything but. I genuinely believe if I had not taken up the above forms of escapism I would be long dead. That and my friendships are what kept me going when I was so miserable and didn’t know why. None of the activities can be blamed, as they all started after my first few suicide attempts.

      The first few doctors probably should have done better in their treatments and diagnosis. It can’t be changed now that they didn’t. The reason I tell this story, though, is because if I had parents who I could relate to and thought I could speak to about these kinds of things, maybe I wouldn’t have gone so far down a destructive path before starting the long way back. Parents with more life experience may have been very useful to me.

      My parents are very good people. I have good relationships with them now, and their strict parenting methods worked perfectly on my three younger siblings. The point though, is that when it did go wrong, it went so very wrong, and it’s very much luck that they didn’t lose a child completely.

    • Jade (too) You Rock! says:

      03:58pm | 19/04/11

      Jade (the other one) You rock girl. Nice to see some one with morals and standards and not afraid to stand up for them. Society needs more of you and less dopes.

    • Rose says:

      04:04pm | 19/04/11

      At which point did I use new age psych babble? Making sure your kids know that their parents won’t turn their backs on them is just parenting, not new age anything.
      Maybe you should put a bit more thought into your hard-line stance. Kids of all generations will always want to push the boundaries, that’s why they jump off roofs to try and fly, why they choose clothes their parents hate, why they throw in as many swear words as they can get away with etc. Most kids do something that their parents have told them could hurt them, just to work it out themselves.
      Remember, for every drugs are bad lecture you give them, they are also hearing stories about friends and acquaintances who use with (seemingly) no ill effect at all. There are times that they want to work things out for themselves, kids don’t always subscribe to mum and dad know best.
      I’m all for consequences, my kids know that if they are caught drink driving it will be on the buses for them, I will not make the suspension easier by being their on-call taxi. At the same time, I am not going to kick them out for breaking the law.
      Kids need a support structure, what you are suggesting is that you will rip it out from under them the second they really need it!!

    • Jade (the other one) says:

      08:41pm | 19/04/11

      @Rose - The idea that teaching your children that there are consequences to their actions does not mean I love them any less. Telling them that certain behaviours are unacceptable is not “removing support”.

      I wonder Rose, will you be so accepting when your son or daughter is caught with child pornography on their computer? After all, to throw them out of the house after one “mistake” would be “taking away support when they need it most”.  And all they’ve done is “broken the law”. What about if your son was one of the ADFA boys caught recently watching a sex act filmed without the consent of one of the parties involved? After all, they’ve just made a mistake.

      What about when they steal a car for a joyride? Bash someone and film it for uploading on youtube? Date rape a girl or boy passed out at a party? After all, these are all “mistakes” too, aren’t they?

      Will you be understanding of the boys who “made a mistake” about the willingness of your daughter to engage in sex with them? I mean, in the heat of the moment, communication can be misinterpreted. Surely a whoopsy daisy, sorry Miss should be sufficient for you. After all, “mistakes are how young people learn.” Once they realise that your daughter wasn’t actually consenting to being raped while she was passed out on a bed, or while they held her down, and realise that they confused her screams of pain and terror with screams of pleasure, I’m sure they’ll feel right bad about what they’ve done. And it should be acceptable to you, because, well, they’ll learn from their “mistake”.

      There are some “mistakes” that aren’t really “mistakes” at all. They are bad choices, that shouldn’t be excused.

    • Jason Todd says:

      03:32am | 24/04/11

      Jade (The other one) I will admit I am having a hard time determining if you are serious or trolling, so if you are trolling, well done you.

      If you aren’t, I would say that equating drug use and things like rape is taking things a bit far. However, if that is how you choose to put it to your children, that that is your perogative, and I wish you the best of luck with your approach.

      I’d just like to pick up on a point that you made about children being educated about the dangers of drugs. I would have to disagree. The level of drug education that is around at the moment is tantamount to the abstinence only method of sex education. There is so much misinformation circulated and a lot of demonising of things rather than open and honest discussion, that I think kids are woefully misinformed. Kids aren’t stupid. When they find out that their drug ‘education’ was essentially a pack of lies, it really does more harm than good. I served as a pill tester until I was threatened with being arrested for doing so, because I am of the opinion if kids are going to experiment (which they are) then at least they should do it safely and well informed.

      I’m on the fence about the drug issue. I did experiment in my youth, was underwhelmed and moved on. I think that with my kids, I will be honest with them about it., educate them properly, but will also make it clear that there are other responsibilities and expectations of them. I would think it a bit harsh to kick my child out if they came home drunk at 15, but we would definitely be having a conversation about it.

    • TChong says:

      08:36am | 19/04/11

      Last weekend , like countless before , 10s of thousands of young, to not so young will smoke pot.
      These very same people will still love their kids, stil go to work, pay taxes, and live a normal life.
      Pot heads dont go around beating people up, turning aggro.
      The most trouble stoners cause is at Kwik-E-Marts trying to pay for their Snickers and tins of Coke with 5 cent pieces, cause they cant find larger coins.
      Sad, but true, that a very small % will not handle the situation, and a still smaller % will go on to do harder ( as in more addictive)  drugs like tobacco.

    • KL says:

      10:23am | 19/04/11

      @TChong.  I can’t believe your comments.  Tobacco is “harder drug” than Marijuana.  This is what all my addicted, job-less, bong chooffing mates used to say.  They, like you, are wrong. 

      Marijuana is addictive- (well the experience of escapsim is), AND it kills brain cells resulting in personality disorders and memory loss.  I’m pretty sure its not good for your lungs either.  Everyone I know who didn’t give up smoking the stuff in their early twenties has gone on to harder stuff to compliment their addiction.

    • Wynston Cruso says:

      10:39am | 19/04/11

      KL - could you maybe link the research you’re referring to, including the total number of recorded deaths caused by pot ever?

      Also, look at the content of both pot and ciggies and compare the two, then tell me which is worse.

    • Non user says:

      10:43am | 19/04/11

      Justifying illicit and illegal drug use is reprehensible,it creates misery and dysfunctionality to all that participate,mental illness and criminal activity are dealt with on a daily basis by the police and are a slur on decant people The rabid supporters are probably making a living out of these alleged recreational drugs,hopefully they will end up before the courts and dealt with to the full extent of the law

    • Pete says:

      10:52am | 19/04/11

      @KL - Any GP will tell you that cigarettes are more addictive than weed. The studies into the addictiveness of marijuana usually find it to be relatively mild. Key word there -relative, weed is still addictive, just a lot less so than other drugs.

      Also, I actually advocate marijuana usage. Having to deal with idiots every day, who have no idea what is going on around them, is just too much. Show me a better, safer, calmer escape than marijuana, and I’ll stop, but not until then. Oh, and of course if you think I’m just some “idiot stoner”, well you have no idea at all. Most of us stoners are highly productive individuals, who tend to prefer to spend our time reading than watching the utter crap you people watch on TV.

      I’m so embarrassed to be labeled an Australian these days.

    • Tripper Smurf says:

      08:00pm | 19/04/11

      Completely agree with Pete and TChong here.

    • AnthonyG says:

      06:58am | 20/04/11

      Can you pass the bong Chongy, you have had 2 in a row and we all need to catch up.

    • Ando says:

      08:40am | 19/04/11

      Moderation,moderation,moaderation and no herion, ice or GBH

    • sludger says:

      08:50am | 19/04/11

      And moderation of ice, or coke is bad because ??  Say yes to one drug, then say yes to all.  If you are going to justify by just saying moderation that is a cop out.  One in all in.  So moderation of valium?  Of weed?  And who is the moderator?  Moderation of alcohol?  Crap.

    • Jesse says:

      10:47am | 19/04/11

      BS sledger, i dont believe in the gateway theory. I’ve smoked A LOT of pot, and know at least 10 other people who are like me… no, none of us have gone on to harder things. We all study at uni/tafe, have jobs, pay our taxes (mostly wink) and abide by the other reasonable laws. Stay away from that nasty other refined muck (ice, heroin, etc), and stay away from hydro. A nice bit of healthy plant grown in the sun, a packet of crisps and a can of soda, thats a good time thats not hurting anyone.

      I should also mention that I’ve never heard of or seen anyone stoned, get violent… Now take alcohol… enough said.

    • bella starkey says:

      12:56pm | 19/04/11

      Coke’s too expensive not to take it in moderation.

    • sludger says:

      01:42pm | 19/04/11

      @Jesse, who said anything about gateway? Please re-read what I wrote. By the way,  I think the whole gateway theory is a load of crap too.  My point was, who is to say what moderation is?  And why single out individual drugs?  This is what annoys me, this whole nanny state/judgemental society we are becoming.  Claiming the moral high ground because you use only a certain type of illegal substance is really a little silly, don’t you think?.As for you studying at Uni, well yay for you!  What has that got to do with anything? I have my uni degree which I earned many years ago, and work with other well paid professionals.  Do we use drugs? That really is not the point, is it?  But I do, always have, and always in my own “moderation”.  It has not hurt me.  Oh one more thing; @ bella starkey - unfortunately you are right **sigh**

    • Ando says:

      03:24pm | 19/04/11

      Sludger,
      “Say yes to one drug then say yes to them all”
      and even better
      “Moderation of Alcohol? and who is the moderator”

      Are you serious?

    • michael j says:

      08:42am | 19/04/11

      A couple of shows of ‘‘The Osborne’s’’ and a 20 min pep talk by Keith Richards
      3 min really the rest is to account for the nodding off, should just about clear up
      the whole issue,,,,,,

    • JR says:

      08:44am | 19/04/11

      I’ll certainly warn them of the dangers of legal drugs as those are the ones that have caused the most trouble around me. I will also tel them of the junkies I have known.

    • Pork says:

      09:00am | 19/04/11

      I told miss 11 and miss 13 when they asked.  I told them I had.  I told them I was lucky to get away with it. I told them I knew lots who weren’t.  I told them of my best friend who suicided with dope induced paranoid psychosis.  I told them of my childhood friend - the honours student - who became a worthless, welfare dependant junkie.  I told them of my excellent friend who lost his 2nd job because of his heroin addiction and suicided out of shame.  I told them about my next door neighbour who did so much ecstacy and acid he can’t deal with everyday life and has the coping abilities of a 5 year old shell shock victim.
      This is all in white bread, middle class Canberra.
      I told them about Anna Wood.  How she was a good girl.  A clever girl.  A loved girl with prospects.  A girl who got very unlucky the first time.  I told them that they had a good chance of being unlucky.  I told them to respect themselves.  To make good choices and above all to call me the instant they - or their friends - made a bad one and things were going pear shaped.  I will forever be haunted by a fathers story of how his beloved 15 year old was left to die alone in a cold Canberra underpass because her friends - who were also foolishly dabbling with heroin - panicked when she overdosed and ran off and left her.  She was 5 minutes from the hospital emergency department…
      I may have firm words with my kids after they inevitably, stupidly dabble with drugs and alcohol, but it will be in the cold light of day after I’ve made sure they and/or their friends don’t pay the ultimate price for teenage curiosity/rebellion.  You can’t teach a corpse anything.  My kids know they can call me and I’ll come ASAP and take care of them first and foremost.  They also know that I tell them the truth.  They trust what I say and I’m still - most vitally - part of their conversation.
      Am I going to tell them an itemised list of everything I’ve done? Absolutely not.  But lying to the kids is stupid. 
      I just want them to respect themselves and make good choices.  Part of that relies on them not mindlessly rebelling against me.  Part of that relies on good luck.  I hope they get the luck that I got.

    • Zoe says:

      09:38am | 19/04/11

      Thankyou for being a parent who is realistic about the teenage curiosity surrounding this issue! I would be so grateful if my parents showed the same understanding to me, the world would be a safer place if there were more parents like you.  At the end of the day, telling kids “just don’t do it” and “drugs are bad” isn’t going to save lives.

    • Pork says:

      10:10am | 19/04/11

      Good luck Zoe!

    • Rose says:

      12:16pm | 19/04/11

      Thankyou for writing this, it is how I raise my children but you have articulated it better than I ever could. Bottom line is kids need to know that their parents are on their side, that nothing is ever so bad they can’t talk to their parents about it and that they are not going to need top spend the rest of their lives repenting for stupid mistakes.

    • Carl Palmer says:

      01:02pm | 19/04/11

      @ Pork – most realistic and feet on the ground post thus far.

      We also took a similar approach with our kids. We got our kids to read Anna Wood’s story and it became a talking point in our family for a very long time. It was the best thing we did – it gave them a wakeup call. I told my kids I had dabbled a bit in drugs but nothing of any note and certainly nothing “heavy”.

      Nowadays kids are pretty switched on with the Internet providing all manners of information. They can pretty quickly suss you out and teach you a thing or two.  The challenge for parents is to be aware of what’s going on in their world, if you don’t keep up you are labeled an “oldie” and therefore detached from their world. If you mislead, you lose their trust.

      We were / are lucky, we have family and friends who work in the medical game. We were able to provide firsthand accounts of their experiences and the consequences of taking drugs. We tried to be as open and informative as possible in the hope that they would listen and understand and therefore make better life choices & decisions. I think we got there (getting them safely past the teens and early 20’s that is) but there were a couple of bumps along the way.

      The best of luck to those parents who are approaching this phase of their kids development.

    • Pork says:

      03:33pm | 19/04/11

      Rose/Carl, I always love positive affirmation!  Best drug of all.  Thanks.

    • Audra Blue says:

      09:55am | 20/04/11

      Pork, you are a wise and loving parent.  Your kids are lucky to have you.  If more parents were like you, teenagers wouldn’t have half the problems they have now.

    • Elphaba says:

      09:01am | 19/04/11

      Probably not - because it was awesome.  That’s why I stopped.

      Probably better to just not have kids…

    • Shifter says:

      11:17am | 19/04/11

      I think my parents took that stance with me. Dad’s never come clean about it but he’s been a pathological liar to me all my life.

      And when I have kids I’m going to the same thing because it seems like such fun to mess with their heads and watch them realise years later.

    • Elphaba says:

      11:38am | 19/04/11

      @Shifter, hahahaha.  I think Dr Cox said something similar…

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qgGoqcwLUI&playnext=1&list=PL11214B4CB92A96A0

      My parents were pretty anti-drugs and I dabbled in a few with an ex once - I was able to stop, he wasn’t… end of relationship.  I’d probably be more likely to introduce my kids to him and his f*cked-up existence and tell them “You want to do drugs - fine.  Just remember, this could be the outcome.”

      Legal stuff on the other hand, I’ll tell them I’d prefer them to do it in my home than somewhere where I can’t supervise them, which is what my parents did.

    • Shifter says:

      03:07pm | 19/04/11

      Because the consumption of alcohol, the legal stuff, is generally done as a social experience, would you be comfortable with supervising other people’s children? By extension would you be comfortable with other people supervising your children?

    • Elphaba says:

      07:38pm | 19/04/11

      @Shifter, hmmm… it’s a grey area.  On the one hand, if they are at a party at my house and I can keep an eye on them, that’s better than them being unsupervised, potentially driving around after a few drinks etc.  At the same time, I would not supply alcohol to underage kids at my child’s party, and probably would throw out kids who bought it.  So I suppose if I was recruited as a chaperone to some other parents house where their kid was having a party, and alcohol was being served - I would supervise but not judge.  But I don’t think I’d do it under my roof.

      As for my kids going out drinking elsewhere - I had sneaky drinks when I was 16 and 17, so I know you can’t control everything. I guess I would hope that our relationship was as honest as possible, and know that the memory of the first hangover will be enough for them to swear off drink for at least a few more months… wink

    • Muz says:

      09:27am | 19/04/11

      thatmosis - I have no doubt you are a self-righteous, pompous but mostly boring loser so sheltered and ignorant you’ve fallen for the stigma attached to illegal drugs just like many other sheep out there. Just because someone tells you something is “bad” doesn’t mean it’s true. If more people actually thought for themselves the world be be a much better place.

    • Tiny Tina says:

      09:31am | 19/04/11

      I use drugs often, And will be telling my children when I have them.

      I much rather they use drugs, or have sex somewhere safe, Not in a back alley, or a randoms house.

    • fairsfair says:

      10:37am | 19/04/11

      I went to school with a boy who’s parents took that stance. We all thought he was so cool, we were always at his house and we thought they were fantastic. He is now in prison in Darwin on drug dealing and assault charges. He glassed a bouncer. You see the issue is - if one child within a group has access, all the others look to them (even if they are not obviously supplying anythign to their friends). It doesn’t always turn out the way you think (not that I am saying that that is what will happen to your kids but), shit happens.

      Re the article - I find it sad that parents have to turn to a website for “help”. I can not comprehend how you can’t know your own child enough to know how to communicate with them. My mum was really open about everything. She is a nurse, so she could always extrapolate effects. She has only ever been drunk twice, but was always able to give me both sides of the story and trusted me enough to make the right choice. Her favourite line was, I won’t be angry but I will be diappointed. It must have resonated as though I have tried things, I have never gone futher than that. Even not being a nurse surely people can draw on life experience.

      There is just as much “generation gap” between my parents and myself as all the parents and kids of today. Why is it that many current day parents rely on others to justify their parental choices? I think it is the “I must look to X to decide about X” that is generating the lack of decision making skills, responsibility and accountability in *some* young kids.

    • Loxy says:

      09:38am | 19/04/11

      Absolutely, I intend to tell my kids all about my drug-taking youth including the good, the bad and the ugly. To lie and expect your kids to do something different to what you did is nothing short of hypocritical and your kids will see straight through it and disrespect you for it.

    • Luce says:

      09:39am | 19/04/11

      I’ll tell my children I did, I just won’t tell them how much.

      I’ll also tell them that some of the most interesting people you’ll meet did drugs. And some of the saddest people you’ll meet didn’t know when to stop.

    • Thommo says:

      09:55am | 19/04/11

      I answer all my sons questions on drugs honestly. I tell him to avoid heroin, meth, nicotine, alcohol and cocaine but Ecstacy and Marijuana are fine. Although don’t take any Ecstacy that hasn’t already been taken by other people first - just to be safe.

    • Markus says:

      10:51am | 19/04/11

      Considering half of what is being passed around nowadays as ecstacy is actually just GHB or some other bathtub concoction of crap, I really wouldn’t be telling my kids that ecstacy is fine.

    • Mario G. says:

      11:24am | 19/04/11

      I agree with Markus: Calling any tablet “fine” is stupid ... unless your pusher can provide you with govt-certified QA documentation guranteeing the contents! There are not even controls WITHIN the same batch, so “taken by other people is OK” just goes to show the height of your ignorance! Even the effects of marijuana vary widely between sources.

    • Thommo says:

      12:20pm | 19/04/11

      Let me rephrase that - I tell them that 3,4-methdioxymethamphetamine, when pure and unadulterated is a way safer drug than almost every street drug and most legal pharmaceuticals. I take that information from the British Medical Association - who knew they were the ‘height of ignorance’.

    • Markus says:

      12:40pm | 19/04/11

      I know you were referring specificially to MDMA Thommo, the problem is that almost none of what’s going around is actually MDMA anymore.
      So unless your kids are qualified pharmacists making it themselves, I’d be telling them to be wary of anyone who claims they are selling ‘ecstacy’.

    • Timmy says:

      01:11pm | 19/04/11

      The only problem is Thommo, there’s no MDMA in pills anymore because all the precursors are controlled and manufacturers can’t get a hold of it. So they use what ever they can to create something similar and pass it off as ecstacy. I would agree the real stuff is relatively safe in small doses but it’s not what kids are buying anymore. Those days haven’t existed since the late 80’s early 90’s.

    • Mario G. says:

      01:26pm | 19/04/11

      I’ve got no argument regarding the safety of (some) “pure unadulterated” drugs of known concentration. I even tell my teen kids this. When did you last see a street drug of guaranteed content and origin? Confusing the issue of street drugs with the BMA’s advice on clinical MDMA really IS “the height of ignorance”.

    • Thommo says:

      09:41am | 20/04/11

      Go Fuckyourself Mario you stupid cunt - your making an issue where there isn’t one. I summed up my position in a paragraph, it’s not the be all and end all of my philosophy. You are the height of arrogance

    • Mario G. says:

      12:08pm | 20/04/11

      Classy one Thommo. Such aggression! Maybe you should keep off the meth and get a hold of a genuine E.

    • Ryan says:

      09:56am | 19/04/11

      You can raise your kids with manners, values, self respect and love, what they decide after that is up to them. You can only hope that those things you instilled in them are the things that make them make the right decision at the time or help them to be in control if they do.
      There is no amount of controlling or fear-mongering that is going to help your kids make the right decision when the time comes. The fear-mongering about who committed suicide and who wrote their lives off is going to have a very negative impact on your warnings when they do try it and find that they don’t implode into a ball of nasty goo. No one likes being lied to.

    • Arnold Layne says:

      10:03am | 19/04/11

      I’ve never touched anything that was illegal, although I enjoy a beer.  I tried smoking and thought it was ok but better not to do, although a cigar at New Year is pretty darn cool.  Why didn’t I?  I can’t really be sure but I’m fairly confident it was due to witnessing my mother develop an addiction to drugs via anti-depressants and sleeping pills through mental illness back when psychiatric therapy pretty much involved “prescribe drugs and lock them up”.

      My elder child is a tween now but we have always been fairly honest with him while remembering that he is still a child so there are some things he doesn’t need to know yet.  Hopefully he’ll continue to feel he can be open and honest with me.  Every child is different and the approach to this stuff that works with one won’t necessarily work with another.  Get to know what makes your children tick, stay interested in their lives and continue to share some common interests, like footy, music, cooking, trash TV, whatever it is.  Nothing is any guarantee of success though.

    • Ed says:

      02:03pm | 19/04/11

      Careful Arnold, haven’t you been reading the all the other bullshtuff thats been commented here. Logic and reality have no place in this argument

    • This Arnold Layne Won't Do it Again says:

      07:19pm | 19/04/11

      The biggest of apologies Arnold, I commented at 5.28pm today & made the gravest of errors - I hadn’t read the thread & coincidentally it turns out we shared a handle for a while. Sorry, no disrespect intended to the message that you’re trying to convey.

    • Bruce says:

      10:28am | 19/04/11

      What type of drug taking are really talking about ? Prescription drugs, over the counter medications, booz, cigarettes, dried banana skins, or pine needs rolled on newspaper ? or just good old shit. If all of these are taken into account then i guess there are very few of us out there that are not drug users.

    • Markus says:

      10:44am | 19/04/11

      I’ll take a similar approach to what my dad did with me.
      He found out I was smoking pot in high school, and essentially just told me not to go stupid with it (he’s always been a man of few words…)

      Nothing more needed to be said. I never went overboard, and never let it get in the way of my school or sport (he would have kicked my arse if I did).

      I appreciate that he trusted me enough to be responsible with it. Had he been patronising or hypocritical while talking to me about it, I probably would have kept doing it out of spite.

    • Cliff says:

      12:09pm | 19/04/11

      I informed my daughter when she was 15 about what I have taken through periods of my life, the what the why. Realistically I know she will be exposed and offered something at some stage and I felt it best to inform her of the implications and potential traps. Better informed and our relationship hasn’t been diminished. I suggested the drugs she should avoid and if possible too not take drugs especially pot until she finished her studies.

      As for why this article was written, humanity in various cultures throughout history have taken something of some kind to experience something different. We need release in some way at some time, some are able to be content and live life vanilla some can’t

    • Ari says:

      11:10am | 19/04/11

      As a young person my first reaction was that parents should be honest and open. By admitting that yes, they did experiment with drugs, their kids will be more likely to be honest as well - maybe even ask them about their experiences or at least open up a dialogue about it.

    • old geezer says:

      11:12am | 19/04/11

      I like all these people here who forget alcohol is a drug…silly mothers and old geezers on here sipping wine/beer, enjoying a smoke while commenting on the evils of substance abuse.

      I don’t weep for children of today, I weep for the idiots of yesterday.

      Drugs gave me some of the best experiences of my life, I don’t have time or really go out anymore because of mortgage, kids, good job etc. but I don’t regret using drugs at all. I am pretty close to retiring (over 65) so maybe I’ll have a couple of mushroom trips then to reflect on life, maybe some pot too.

      You have one life, my motto is try everything once and I promise you won’t regret it. Only thing you will regret is if you base your life around one thing, whether it be working, drugs, parter, sex, family, church, a hobby etc.

      Variety is the spice of life! We are creatures of stimulation, at the end of your life you will look back and wish that you experienced every bit of stimulation that life has to offer.

    • Thommo says:

      09:52am | 20/04/11

      Amen Brother - it’s only natural to want to explore innerspace as well outerspace. No one has ever died from LSD!

    • dancan says:

      11:12am | 19/04/11

      I’ll be open and honest with my kids (when I have them).  I spent the better part of eight years travelling the world and seeing, doing and trying as much of everything as I could.  While I wouldn’t raise the subject if my kids asked about or more importantly if I caught them trying drugs then sure I’d tell them, and I’d pass on some knowledge about being safe, risks of overdosing, mixing drugs and alcohol etc, because really if my kids take after me in the slightest then they’re going to try drugs anyway.

    • Nanny says:

      11:14am | 19/04/11

      I told my four kids that because I had tried drugs when I was younger I KNEW the signs and what to look for in them if they did try drugs. It worked, they did experiment as I believe most kids do, which I was told after the event, but it also highlighted the fact that mum did it, but she also knows what she is talking about. Being honest mixed with a bit of blarney can get you more then lying about your experiments.

    • Mario G. says:

      11:16am | 19/04/11

      We just talk simply and plainly with our “kids” (girl 20, boy 16). My wife and I never did much more than a puff or two of a joint at uni. My main argument against drugs is based on logic, not emotion. Reverend Ted Noffs (main work was with addicts) even stated once that herion in a pure known dose is not harmful (though addictive). It’s all the other rubbish mixed in that causes the problems. Why would anyone take a pill that someone cooked up in a “bathroom lab” and is completely not responsible for any outcome?

      Both of our kids know enough about chemistry to realise that very miniscule control changes in a process can create wildly varying byproducts ... and that’s before any other “shit” gets mixed in to make it go a long way!

      Even when a process IS audited, look at the fallout from Pan Pharm some years ago when simple travel-sickness tablets caused all sorts of reactions.

    • former user of quantum uncertanity bong says:

      11:24am | 19/04/11

      yeah !! confess and then have a family bonding bong. Good for your kids !!

    • Bitten says:

      11:35am | 19/04/11

      I don’t understand why parents are concerned about appearing perfect and saintly to their children when advising against drugs/sex/cars etc - is it simply because they don’t want their children to accuse them of hypocrisy when they tell their children not to engage in certain high-risk behaviours? If so, how selfish of you parents - your ego is not what is important here. You’re the parent. They are the children and you don’t want them to make mistakes, some of them being mistakes that you made, some of them being mistakes you were fortunate enough NOT to make. Children might accuse you of hypocrisy, if so, so what? Your ego might take a dent, but the fact that you want your children to be better at making decisions than you were is admirable.

    • Charles says:

      11:42am | 19/04/11

      Being a 21 year old, responsible adult male who has been in the rave scene since NYE 06/07 and has had his fair share of pretty much every drug under the sun (though I have knocked them on the head now to focus on building a career up) I will freely admit to my children, when I have them, anything that I think is appropriate for them at that age. For example, if my 9 year old son asked, I would deflect the question, whereas if my 16 year old son asked I would inquire why he wanted to know and then depending upon his answer would make the decision if I wanted to tell him or not. If my 21 year old son asked I would freely admit it, however at no point during the last 2 of these situations would I encourage my son to do drugs.

      I would explain to him as best as I could what the repercusions of his decisions would be and how, if he did choose to do drugs, it would affect his life. I would also make it plainly clear that I would prefer he do it in an environment that I would be comfortable with and that he had plenty of friends around in case something goes wrong.

      I think this question ultimately comes down to how a person was raised and the experiences that they’ve had. I have asked my Mum if she had ever done drugs, I think I was 17, and she freely opened up to me about her experiences and I explained what I had done and the choices I had made and she freely supported me and my choices, not that I would ever expect her to not support me. My Mum understands that this is my life and that I shall choose to do what I want to do and when I want to do it, she realises that she is a very positive influence on my life and that I would seek her advise above all others in the majority of situations and I honestly couldn’t imagine lying to her about my life, I have no reason to.

      To the parents out there, it is at your own discression, but I advise to trust your kids. You may be suprised at the decisions they make.

    • Betelnut says:

      11:59am | 19/04/11

      I would be honest about what I had done.  I would tell them that I understand and accept their need to experiment. And would tell them to do it in small quantities, extensively research what they are taking, do it at long intervals and with a small group of trusted friends and never drive.  Oh, and if anything ever goes haywire, call me first and foremost and without reservation.

      Drugs (including alcohol) are the tomato sauce to the meat pie of life.  There is an amount you can use that is just right, but it is not a lot.

    • Kate says:

      12:16pm | 19/04/11

      My boyfriend’s brother developed drug-induced psychosis after smoking too much pot. He is the best example we will have for our kids as an anti-drug message.

      My boyfriend’s never touched drugs, I’ve done pot but that’s it. I think I’d explain to my kids that I tried it because I wanted to see what the fuss was about, but that it wasn’t much fun. I would also explain that both my family and my boyfriend’s family have a long history of mental illness, and therefore it’s particularly dangerous for any of us to experiment with drugs.

      My mum’s approach was to pretend she was saintly right up until I turned 18 and then I heard all these stories about her youth that came as a complete shock. I think she thought I was ‘old enough’ to hear them but it just creeped me out imagining my mother doing those things.

    • Ex Submariner says:

      12:20pm | 19/04/11

      I don’t believe in “Just say No”.  I have every faith my boy will make mistakes but it is my responsibility that he is fully aware of the consequences of his actions.

      I have been a drug user for the best part of half my life. I am an addict. I am also a drug and alcohol counsellor, equity and diversity advisor and former elite military.

      The abundance of one sided stances both positive and negative is not the healthiest way to approach the situation.

      What it comes down too, is a personal choice. How can you say drugs are bad when it has brought so much good to the world ?. How can you say drugs are good when you see the aftermath at an ER or worse?

      Provide your child with honesty and education. Let them decide, and be there if they fall. 

      Get them listening to Hendrix, Beatles, The Stones, Clapton, Led Zep, ACDC etc, and then tell them the sad stories how it all changed in the blink of an eye.

      If people are unsure on how to handle the situation, talk to your local GP for sound advice.

    • Euro Girl says:

      12:22pm | 19/04/11

      OMG! I couldn’t believe it how many bloggers in their mid 30s’ ( I guess) have experience with drugs.
      There IS a direct link between the “harmless” marijuana and schizophrenia.
      No wonder the mental disorders rates are getting higher and higher.
      And I don’t want to start with the other s.

      One day I will tell my kids that I am proud I stayed away from drugs. And I am proud I don’t need any s…to enjoy a concert, party, etc.
      I will tell them there is nothing for free in the life, you take them know - you pay later. Losing slowly your mind is not worth it for some minutes of drug induced pleasure.

      I was watching a movie while I was teen about gangs in East Europe. They were fighting for drug markets. There is a scene when the cops visited an institution for mentally impaired kids. One cop said to another that 80% of the kids came from druggie parents.

    • Markus says:

      12:46pm | 19/04/11

      We are all slowly losing our mind, mental deterioration in later years is unavoidable. As is death. May as well enjoy it all while we still have a chance.

    • Debbie says:

      12:54pm | 19/04/11

      My understanding is that most heroin abusers started originally on mothers milk ... direct link ?

    • Arios says:

      12:35pm | 19/04/11

      This wonderful thread reminds me of what a screwed up country we live in. Every second person needs to be off their head with zero thought as to the consequences both to themselves and to broader society.

      Australian society is such a disgrace how so many feel they need to “experiment” otherwise they must be missing out. Let me tell you, there are no possible advantages or benefits to getting into drugs. You are much better placed to focus on finding your “high” from genuine happiness and achievements.

      I have never taken drugs or inhaled a single cigarette. So I would tell my kids that. I have been offered cigarettes, joints and also E pills and a line of speed when my best friend snorted it off the kitchen bench in the gold coast in front of me. I declined every time. Now they’ve all grown up like normal people with kids etc, apart from the guy who got stuck in a spiral with the speed/meth and is now a psycho/addict covered in tattoos, piercings and scabs. Just seemed to take them a long while to realise what I already knew.

      DRUGS: there are no benefits or reasons to why you’d even want to try them. Don’t try them in the first place, you’re not missing out.

    • baal says:

      01:06pm | 19/04/11

      Okay. Here is honesty. I always said no and never took drugs until my doctor gave me a script for painkillers.
      I will tell my kids that drugs are awesome but dangerous if you get addicted.
      I was clean as a whistle until the age of 26 years. I had a car accident and ended up on prescription morphine. I lost a good job because I got addicted, really addicted.
      What followed was not pretty, clean now but it was not pretty.
      My children will get the truth, I will tell them the benefits. If you have not tried morphine you are silly to say there are no benefits. 
      I will tell them about my friends from work who went from cannabis to heroin and then took Meth and Ice. I was too informed about the risks to go down that route.
      I have already told her about the fact a close friend tried to shoot me when he was on ice.
      I will tell them that I miss opiates but I miss my dead friends more.
      I will let them make there own decisions and hope they make the right one because I have let them know the rewards and the risks.
      I will also be honest and tell them that if they ever try Meth Ice or heroin I will put them in hospital myself.
      It is really simple, let your children learn from our mistakes.

    • James says:

      03:10pm | 19/04/11

      “I have never taken drugs”... unless you are saying you have never drunk alcohol either, you are being a hypocrite. The only difference between alcohol and ‘illegal’ drugs… alcohol kills far more people.

    • Kika says:

      12:40pm | 19/04/11

      Well my Mum told me quite young that her and Dad were into weed in the 70s’. My Dad is not the kind to admit it to us and would prefer if we thought he never did so as to set an example. But Mum said once Dad’s friend once laid some bad stuff in it and he had a bad trip while driving seeing monsters everywhere so Mum had to try to drive all the way to Byron Bay bent. Dad never did it again and is 10000% against it.

      Mum admitted she had done more, mushrooms and acid. But when she told me that it kind of made me embarassed.. like what? You did it. It MUST be lame then. So I’m not really interested in doing it because Mum did. Hahaha.

      I think I would tell my kids. There’s no harm in them having all facts they need about things. If I can tell them the reality of it, then the mystery of it all won’t be there. The same as alcohol. You should teach your kids the reality of alcohol (yeah sure fun now but you’ll be sorry tomorrow and that a few glasses are ok if you can control yourself) so they know that there’s nothing special about it so they go binging and end up in hospital.

    • Audra Blue says:

      12:45pm | 19/04/11

      I haven’t told my son about my drug use because I never did drugs.  My choice was lots of alcohol and lots of sex, which the kids do these days anyway.  Now in my 40s, the alcohol has fallen by the way side but the sex is still prevalent.  The only difference is that the sex is the one partner whom I love and not lots of random partners.

    • Kika says:

      01:23pm | 19/04/11

      I’m sure your son doesn’t want to hear that… just like us. Eww.

    • JG says:

      12:54pm | 19/04/11

      I became an intravenous ice addict at about 21 years old for about 8 years. I have been clean for 5 years - now I dont drink alcohol (and never will again) I dont smoke and obviously dont do drugs. Apart from staying clean for myself my other motivation is being an appropriate role model for my children - the first of which will be born in 10 weeks. Will I tell my children of my past?
      Not. A. Friggin. Chance.
      Addiction is evil and insidious. Its potentialy in your genes and activated by lifestyle and what you experience in childhood (and others not for discussion here).. especially your own parents beliefs, attitudes and approach. Giving my children the best possible chance to stop the addiction cycle has already started with me. The attitudes you instill in them during childhood will last a lifetime - this cannot include telling my kids I was a drug addict. What is gained? Why give that tiny, tiny excuse to just try it once ‘because Dad did .. and look at him - hes fine now!’

    • Markus says:

      01:22pm | 19/04/11

      The other side of that coin is if you have an addictive personality and this could be passed on genetically, then could witholding this important part of your past from your kids cause even bigger problems for them with potential drug use?

    • Pressure Cookie says:

      09:32am | 20/04/11

      That’s laudable JG. But playing Devil’s advocate here, what about people from your drug addicted past who are still addicted?  You don’t just leave the behaviour behind, you leave the people behind too.  What if someone from your past pops up and tries to tell your kids about what you did?  How will you explain that to them?

      It’s a wonderful thing that you’ve decided to stop the cycle with you.  I’m sure you will succeed admirably.  But like any addiction, there are always circumstances trying to trip you up.  I wish you all the luck in the world

    • bella starkey says:

      01:01pm | 19/04/11

      My dad has pleanty of train wreck friends so he didn’t need to cop to anything himself. He’d just go “don’t end up like this methadone addicted waste of space who used to be a decent guy” or “30 years of smoking pot, here’s my mate’s wife with bi-polar”.

      Other parents could always do that instead of fronting up about thier own “mispent youth” to their kids.

    • Alex says:

      01:09pm | 19/04/11

      Young people don’t buy that you thought “it wasn’t bad for you” in the 60’s.
      There’s nothing more hypocritical than the current anti drug push from the very people who helped establish the culture

    • Markus says:

      01:30pm | 19/04/11

      This!
      While I mentioned above I appreciated the trust my parents had in me regarding drug use, nothing made me more infuriated than getting pre-emptive lectures on safe driving (I hadn’t even done anything yet!) from the same people I’ve heard talk about the good old days where they would cram 8 people into a mini for a road trip.
      Sorry, but “we didn’t know any better then” really doesn’t cut it smile

    • Meh says:

      01:31pm | 19/04/11

      Well, I don’t have children but I feel parents should inform a little. If in the future I have children I will inform them of the drugs I experimented with and tell them it’s ok to use, but not to abuse, thats where the problem lies. To much use turns you into an addict and much like drinking alcohol, you do it every now and then and not all the time, prevention avoids the problem.

    • Jon says:

      01:48pm | 19/04/11

      Ever been to high you turned into a ferret?

    • Jacob says:

      02:37pm | 19/04/11

      no. but i once did turn into a Tyrannosaurus rex that can control the weather.

    • ShamWow says:

      05:29pm | 19/04/11

      I’ve been a robot but never a ferret.

    • Bob Dobalina says:

      01:51pm | 19/04/11

      Any parent should tell their kids IMO. The key is to have a reasonable and intelligent discussion with them. If you’re doing your job properly you can achieve an outcome where your kids are more likely to say no. I think you have to stress the age thing (try not to have anything until you’re at least 20), along with moderation, the signs of when you might need help, who to call when you need help etc. Zero tolerance doesn’t achieve anything. People will do it anyway.

    • Andrew says:

      01:59pm | 19/04/11

      In my opinion, the topic of drugs is about honesty and being level and forthcoming to your children.

      Growing up involves making mistakes. If you think that you are perfect and that your children will follow in your footsteps than you are sadly mistaken.

      It has nothing to do with expressing to your children that x is acceptable and that y isn’t harmful. It’s about ensuring that your children understand what it is that they can do to themselves, how to handle the situation and showing them that you care enough to ensure they are safe.

      I’m 22yrs of age. My mother has done pills and cannabis. She leveled with me from the very beginning and told me what she had done and why. She went on further to explain why they are harmful and she made it very clear that these substances are illegal.

      From that point I formed my own opinion on the matter, which further evolved when I went to school and saw what it had done to people I knew.

      Originally I said that I would NEVER do drugs at all and I was completely against it. However, regardless of what I have been told and what I have been seen - I still had curiosity and I eventually tried cannabis. In fact - I still try some occasionally. However, to this day, I have and never will try pills or any other drugs because I know the harm they can do to you. I know that you can never really be sure what you are taking.

      Whenever I do have cannabis, it is always around people I trust and that I know care for me.

      So regardless of what method you choose in educating your children - you have to accept that at some point you will lose control of their actions and if they don’t get the information they need - they will find it elsewhere. Curiosity always gets the better of us.

      I am by no means perfect, and neither were my parents. I grew up in a broken family and had no role model as a father and yet I consider myself well educated on drugs and I know the boundary of myself and the law.

    • Aitch says:

      02:25pm | 19/04/11

      Slightly off topic, but WTF do we talk about drug use as an “experiment”? People of all ages take drugs because they know they’re gonna get high. Simple! It’s no experiment.
      Also, it’s illegal. What’s next? Experimenting with assault? Experimenting with drink-driving? I’ve taken heaps of drugs over the years and I first smoked dope at 14. At no stage was I “experimenting” - I took drugs in order to get high.

    • Lauren says:

      02:27pm | 19/04/11

      I don’t really have anything to tell. At 24, I’ve only ever had one joint - in Amsterdamn.

      I’m so boring the only drugs I had ever done were totally legal. I just never got offered in my teens, and in my early twenties I guess I had enough brains to say no whilst I was drunk.

      When I have kids, they’re going to think I was such a square…

    • Bendito says:

      07:20pm | 19/04/11

      Do it in Amsterdam and you are a tourist having fun, do it in Australia and you are a degenerate and a criminal, heading straight down the path to heroin addiction. Interesting, isn’t it? grin

    • TheRealDave says:

      02:39pm | 19/04/11

      I have two daughters and a son. The girls are currently 11 and 7. My plan with the girls, after getting them into Krav Maga, is to take them for a drive when they are about 14 or 15. I’m going to pick a nice sunny day and drive them out to the University of Queensland and show them the young girls with their books, sitting on the grass reading, texting, talking with friends, nice old sandstone buildings - you know, idyllic University scene. Then I am going to drive them out around Beenliegh/Bethania/Browns Plains/Marsden etc and point out all the idiot 17 year olds pushing prams with their pants halfway down their hips and skank tatts on their backs walking around shopping centres with utter bottom feeders in their trackies and a few million piercing’s etc.

      Then I’ll tell them its their choice which path they take.

    • Pork says:

      02:54pm | 19/04/11

      Or maybe what path their parents lived on TheRealDave…
      People are often born to their environment and it becomes their normal.
      Kids from Beenleigh might know of no other world.  As well, some of the worst train wrecks I’ve seen were the girls at uni.

      What did that bearded hippy from Judea say all those years ago?  Oh yes!  “Judge not lest ye be judged.”
      It is what in a persons heart that truly counts in my opinion.

    • jade (the other one) says:

      02:56pm | 19/04/11

      Thanks for insulting me. I happen to have been raised in Woodridge, and am not a bottom-feeder, nor a skank. I don’t have children, and in what may be an amazing feat to you, and perhaps something I am not worthy of in your eyes, based on where I am from, I managed to get a university education. I hold two degrees, in fact. Granted, they aren’t from the lofty, sandstone University of Queensland, but I could have attended that illustrious institution had I chosen to, with an OP of 5.

      I wonder, if your daughter will get the message you are hoping to send if she sees me, toting my favourite classic novel under one arm, and my Oroton handbag under the other, texting on my smartphone in my corporate clothes bought from Cue and Veronika Maine, in the local Woodridge shopping centre, with my equally well-dressed mother?

      Be careful about generalisations with your children - they may have unintended consequences.

    • Jade says:

      06:52pm | 19/04/11

      @ The RealDave… be sure to lock your doors on the way through… if your feeling adventurous you could also take them to Ipswich… would be a real eye opener.

      @ Jade (the other one) snobby much? Woodridge is a dump, I wouldn’t be advertising to anyone that you live there.

    • jade (the other one) says:

      08:24pm | 19/04/11

      How charming of you Jade, to show your true colours and judge people based on where they were raised rather than who they are as a person.

      My parents always taught me its not about where you live, its about how you behave. Based on your earlier comments in this topic, I would suggest that you probably fit in with the image you have of this suburb better than I do.

      I guess that’s why people are always so utterly shocked to find out that not only did I attend a state school (the general assumption is that I must have been privately educated) but that I grew up in this area. I have class. Evidently, based on your comments about your level of experience with drugs, and your utter judgmentalism shown below, something you’re lacking.

    • Jade says:

      09:37am | 20/04/11

      Haha, How can you judge my personality on a simple comment? I know plenty of people in high position (that apparently have class) who are massive coke heads.  You wouldn’t know though because you have your head to far in the sand to realise.

      I went to public school as well (as did millions of other Australians) and I now work in a position (that I have had no formal training for) that people who are fresh out of uni are just getting into. I am 23 years old and own my own home! I don’t need to advertise that I have class, I go to suburbs like Woodridge (was there the other day actually) and walk around knowing that I am better than most of the people there.  There is a reason that people like Dave would take there daughters there to show them not how to be.

      You can act like you are holier than thou all you like Jade, you just make yourself look like a pompous idiot and no better than anyone else criticising the place. Do you reckon it is a coincidence that Logan and Bogan rhyme?

    • Jade (the other one) says:

      01:56pm | 20/04/11

      @Jade - you know that you are better than most of the people there? What makes you better than me? The fact that your (as you previously stated) drug addled mother was fortunate enough to live in a suburb different to my very straight, hardworking, law abiding mother?

      The fact is that most of those people you sneer at were not as fortunate as you in the opportunities they receive, or in the surroundings that they have. The fact that people like you think you are better than anyone else just because of where you were raised makes you no better than the racist who thinks that they are better because they have lighter skin, or the misogynist who believe his penis gives him some special claim to superiority over 50% of the population.

      Its disgusting bigotry at its most obvious. And I’m truly glad I now know to ignore and disregard everything you have to say on any topic, since you occupy a position that puts you in the same class as racists, anti-semites, homophobes, sexists, classists and the rest of the bigoted minority. You managed to demonstrate in one post how completely irrelevant your opinions on any topic really are.

      It’s the choices you make in life that determine whether you are better or worse than someone else. Not where you are raised. And the way you choose to treat others.

    • Jade says:

      02:25pm | 20/04/11

      Hahahaha, my drug addled mother… that made me laugh. It was mostly my Aboriginal step father who was on the drugs.  My Mother did it on occasion.

      I was raised just outside of Beaudesert, if you are familiar with the area you would realise what a shit hole that place is too.  But, I left and made something of myself.  My achievements and the fact that I wasn’t popping out kids in my teens make me better than most people in Woodridge, the fact that I have never been unemployed, don’t break the law make me better than most people in Woodridge.  Every time I visit that suburb or ones around it, it’s a big eye opener to how scummy some people can be.  Sure they haven’t been presented with the opportunities that I have been, but that is no excuse.  You are the master of your own future and only you can make it better if you choose to. Those that are stuck in the cycle of poverty have chosen to stay there.

      Your comment stating that I am in the same basket as a racist is ridiculous and laughable actually.

    • DaJackal says:

      02:58pm | 19/04/11

      @TheRealDave Gr8 idea.

      Personally, I will tell my midget that yes I indulged in the occasional illicit substance; however did it in a safe controlled environment where the source could be verified, after I turned 18 and had some colourful friends. The issue is the same as alcohol, in moderation its not majorly harmful; pot was used historically for pain relief, cocaine as a stimulant, ecstacy to treat couples relationships. If you yourself are moderate in your consumption, then your children will follow suit.

    • bEK says:

      02:58pm | 19/04/11

      LOL:

      The government website proposes that when confronted with a “But you used drugs, Dad” scenario you can counter with a, “Yes, I did, but it’s dangerous and I would make a different decision today.

      But what if that is a lie?

    • worrierqueen says:

      03:00pm | 19/04/11

      We are such a hypocritical society. 80% of all drug deaths is caused by tobacco, 16% by alcohol and the remaining 4% by all other drugs legal and illegal. If we really had a war on drugs we would ban Alcohol and Tobacco and legalise all other drugs. But of course this is not a war on drugs, its a war on drug takers, or specifically drug takers who take different drugs to politicians.

      “Get us another beer son and stay off the drugs” simply doesn’t cut it anymore.

    • TheFactz says:

      07:52pm | 25/04/11

      It is all well and good listing of statistics but what you aren’t taking into account is the user base. There are a hell of a lot more people that smoke tobacco than there are that take illicit drugs and smoke it on a lot more of a regular basis than those taking illicit drugs would take them.

      Because of this it is only natural that tobacco will have a much higher share of the total deaths caused by drug use.

    • lemonaid says:

      03:05pm | 19/04/11

      Our kids have not asked directly yet, but probably will, we have probably alluded to it that we smoked marijuana at uni (but not much else).  We tell our kids: you will have friends who do drugs, who will be fine. You may also see a few fall off the rails. Weed is different these days, bred for strength. Any as to other drugs: might not be so bad if you knew their provenance, but as it’s not controlled, how can you ever be sure it’s not been cut with rat poison?  It’s really not worth the risk.

      Good advice here though - I’d want them to feel safe enough to call if they have made a mistake and need help.

    • jay76 says:

      03:10pm | 19/04/11

      My dad told me when I was younger that he smoked quite a bit of weed and various other things in his day. My reaction was “oh, okay”. He gave me the info I need to make an informed decision.

      I still smoked a fair bit when I was a teenager, and told both my parents. even when I got busted for possession at 17.

      I’ve grown up to be a pretty successful guy with a great career and education, with a beautiful long-term partner, in a nice leafy (no pun) suburb and the best dog in the world.

      I attribute much of this to a stable and trusting relationship with the people who raised me. Their openness towards drugs was a follow-on from their open attitude towards everything with me, including the importance of an education, how to treat others and investing in yourself.

      Your mileage may vary, but I don’t think parents should entertain the thought of cherry picking the times where they feel comfortable being honest. Kids can use your experiences, please share it with them.

    • Old bag says:

      03:12pm | 19/04/11

      I was a heroin addict for seven years in my 20s.

      My children, when they’re old enough, will be told that the reason we have a mortgage on a flat, not a house in a good suburb, drive a crappy car, and mummy only has a Grad Dip, not a PhD, and we have never been overseas is, because mummy took bucketloads of drugs and mortgaged her future.

      I survived to white whine, but I won’t be taking risks with their futures.

    • Dragon says:

      03:16pm | 19/04/11

      Surely the way this subject is approached with ones progeny is more dependant of the relationship between the 2 or more parties rather than of outdated strategies, from different eras, that have had varied results depending on the individuals involved. How well the honest approach works will depend largely on the level of respect one has actually EARNED between birth and the point in time where this discussion etc takes place with their child/ren. There was a remark earlier in the thread that read - Most of us stoners are highly productive individuals, who tend to prefer to spend our time reading than watching the utter crap you people watch on TV - which makes a few underlying and valid points to consider when looking at ways we are damaging the next generation. Also, keep in mind that the attitute we foster towards any substance and how acceptable it is, legal or not,will reflect in the society down the track and it’s evolved attitudes towards the given substance. It’s why today, to the detriment of the nations identity, we have such a relaxed and dangerous attitude towards alcohol and all the side effects that come with that.

    • FirstHand says:

      03:37pm | 19/04/11

      I’m a guy who comes from a prominent family in Melbourne, who went to a private school where drug use was (almost) universally frowned upon by both teachers and students (except by the obligatory rebellious group), and who, throughout his teenage years, was one of the fiercest advocates against drug use in any capacity, whether experimental or otherwise.

      My attitude against drugs was fostered by my informed/informative parents (both of whom are medical professionals), and by watching peoples’ lives around me fall apart due to drug dependence. My parents provided me with information about drugs, their negative effects on mental and physical health, and admitted their own use of cannabis in the 70s, saying that they didn’t enjoy it. I believed them then, and I believe them now.

      I think my parents did everything they could have to prepare me for the moment when someone passed a joint in my direction, or displayed a cupped hand with a bunch of pills in it, inviting me to launch one down my gullet. I was well-educated in the dangers of drugs, and I had first-hand experience witnessing the demise of other people close to me. As mentioned, I was a very vocal advocate against drug use.

      Why then, beginning at the age of 20, did I, over the next five years, experiment with pot? And then pills? Then amphetamines? Then cocaine? Then ketamine? Then acid? All these, and a few prescribed pharmaceuticals thrown in for good measure (mainly to help sleep).

      How did I, with all the education, privilege, and informed intelligence in the world at my disposal, turn into such an abuser of drugs? It certainly wasn’t my parents’ fault - they educated me, objectively and openly, about the dangers of drugs. And I certainly wasn’t trying to turn into what I previously perceived as a degenerate (i.e. the other people who I’d watched succumb to drug dependence). What was it?

      The answer is: I have no idea. It was just something that started, and then continued. Why? Here’s a tip about Melbourne. Drugs are everywhere. And when I say everywhere, I mean EVERYWHERE. Even if you do your absolute best to protect your kids from drugs, drugs will find them, and they will experiment. Just hope that your kids have the sense to know when enough is enough. Therein lie the cruces. You need to tell your kids:

      1) to be aware that drugs are a big issue in society nowadays, that they will come across them, and that they need to be prepared to stand by whatever choice they make - to take part or not to take part - and accept the consequences of their actions;

      2) about the real dangers drugs pose - that means not just the direct mental and physical effects that the drugs have, but also the situational dangers that arise when under the influence of drugs (i.e. increased susceptibility to robbery, assault, rape, etc.);

      3) that if they are going to experiment, to do it carefully, with people they trust, in moderation; and

      4) that no matter what happens, or what kind of trouble they are in, that you will always be there to support them. Always.

    • Luce says:

      04:06pm | 19/04/11

      Great post. I can relate to a lot of what you say.

      It starts because, regardless of the negative effects drugs can have, they are also a lot of fun. They have to be, or people wouldn’t do them. They hijack your brain’s natural rewards system and makes it think you’re doing something beneficial when really you’re doing something harmful.

      It doesn’t matter how much you educate your kids against drugs, if they want to do them, they’ll find a way. So instead of straight out prohibition, education on the good, the bad and the ugly is whats necessary. And always maintain trust so they can come to you for advice or help whenever its needed.

    • Bikinis on Top says:

      04:20pm | 19/04/11

      kids know parents are experimenting in drugs.
      kids bring dope homework home from school.

    • dah what says:

      04:29pm | 19/04/11

      Just pass em the bong and watch a movie like Cheech n Chong, Bill N Tedd or Wayne’s world, dont forget the blow the dog a whiff so it can chase the invisible cats

    • Reid Wright says:

      04:45pm | 19/04/11

      i used to go bananas for the first 36 hours of the weekend and sleep for the last 12 on a regular basis, and it used to involve whatever was deemed inappropriate by my parents. Now i’m still only a young adult but they’re definitely a thing of the past and i feel i am a better and wiser person for it. If my parents told me they did drugs i don’t see how this could have impacted me any worse than them telling me No!  My kids, if they are born with only 1 head and 4 limbs, will not be lied to, but will be educated and responsible in the way of the party (i hope).

    • Honest Abe says:

      05:02pm | 19/04/11

      Honesty all the way!

      When I was a teenager I got kicked out of school… twice! I ran away from home and spent a couple of weeks on the streets of Kings Cross. I had a huge drug habit and was frequenting pubs by the time i was 15. If anyone was going to lie about their teenage years… it’s me, especially since i went on to become a teacher and eventually an executive member of staff.

      I never did lie though - not to my students, staff and especially not to my kids. Don’t get me wrong - it wasn’t exactly volunteered as bedtime stories… but my children are very aware of my past. Despite that awareness (or maybe even because of it) I raised 3 straight A students who never did any of it. Heck - I bought them their first drink when they turned 18.

      I know a lot of readers will assume I’m just naive, but I’m not. They’re adults now and the honesty and openess I afforded them was and still is always returned to me. Sure - they’ve made some mistakes, but not those mistakes and they always told me about it. I’d never recommend anything but honesty regarding these sorts of things. It worked for me and my family anyway.

    • theo says:

      05:18pm | 19/04/11

      as a young guy, my perception on drugs is pretty skewed, i smoke weed at least once a month and take LSD once or twice a year.

      at the moment (things change) what i would say to my children would be to never try drugs, they are bad, along with alcohol and cigs, when a child turns 15, you sit them down and explain the importance of the correct use and not abuse of alcohol and when they turn 19/20 explain to them that i would strongly suggest doing acid in a forest with close friends.

      in fact i would heavily recommend it to any and every one.

    • Arnold Layne says:

      05:28pm | 19/04/11

      Syd Barret: “I think young people should have a lot of fun. But I never seem to have any.”
      Child: “?”
      Syd Barrett: “Fairy-tales are nice.”
      Child: “??”
      Syd Barrett: “I don’t think I’m easy to talk about, I’ve got a very irregular head, and I’m not anything that you think I am anyway.”
      Child: “WTF?”
      Syd Barrett: “I’m sorry I can’t speak very coherently ...If I’d stayed at college I would have become a teacher.”
      Child: “Oh I see, there’s energy and enthusiasm in the expression of your idea, a lot of Verve - ‘Now the drugs don’t work, they just make you worse’.”

    • Thomas Anderson says:

      06:18pm | 19/04/11

      So, Amy Crutchfield, which drugs have you taken?

      Just tell your kids “I have tried smoking marijuana once, but that’s it” when they are at that teenage age, it’s not overly condemning and doesn’t sound like a ‘parent lie’.

      I don’t think admitting to doing lines of coke off a nightclub toilet is a very responsible thing to say to someone that impressionable.

    • Servaas says:

      07:58pm | 19/04/11

      I’d tell my kids what I used and why I used it, what the effects were and why i don’t use it anymore or in some cases in much smaller amounts. I’d tell them why people generally use it and why their friends are going to expect them to use it and also why they will feel the need to use it. I’ll tell them about the legal implications, and also the physical and emotional ones. I’ll tell them that in essence it is not wrong to use it for it is not what enters the body which is evil but rather that which springs forth from within.

      As I always tell my friends when discussing alcohol
      (which is a drug as well - condidering the reasons for use and the effects) use and all the reasons people will be against it: ok, let’s remove all other people and things which could be harmed and offended out the way and it’s only you with a few bottles of wine in the mountain on your own getting pissed - I can’t find any fault in that action but then I’ll have to ask myself: why am I sitting on a mountain drinking bottles of wine? That is what I’ll ask my kids as well if they insist on using drugs in whichever amount it may be.

    • mitchy says:

      12:29am | 20/04/11

      Weed…Legalise it!

    • Ben says:

      02:16am | 20/04/11

      A lot of people need to accept that drugs is a part of society. Once it is in the open more people will be able to see it for what it is rather than castrate people up for it, which imo does more harm.

      If I had kids I will inform that as many of you would on the pro’s and con’s of drug use on a personal level. We need to be aware now that kids have access to the internet and if they want to know about it they will find it. If they want to try it they can get it.

      I think it all comes back to the fact that it’s illegal. I really question the basis of certain laws that come into effect for certain drugs whereas other drugs that are significantly more damaging are made legal - e.g. a lot of painkillers. Legalise, educate and tax.

    • Kelly says:

      02:28am | 20/04/11

      I think the best education for anyone regarding drugs or alcohol is to attend Alcoholics or Narcotics Anonymous.  I grew up with a mother who battled drug and alcohol addiction, and she got sober with the help of AA.  She was unable to get a baby sitter most nights, but she knew she had to do her meetings or she would fall off the wagon.  My younger sister and I grew up going to those meetings, learning to sit quietly while the adults talked, and also respecting people’s privacy.  But more than anything, it made my sister and I conciencous about what we did do with regards to alcohol and drugs.  When you realise and see first hand the impact that any drug can have on someone’s life, it makes you really think about your actions and how you would handle those situations.  And what is really scary for most people, is how much they can relate to the stories being told.
      And while it was difficult for our family at the time, I think the experience has made my sister and I into well adjusted adult women, who get the most out of life.  We have tried some drugs, but it doesn’t interest us as we have seen where you can end up.

    • Maria says:

      07:13am | 20/04/11

      My mother was also an alcoholic and alcoholism and other addicitons run in my family. I’ve also been surrouded by drug abuse and addiction with friends and partners. When I was younger I myself abused hard drugs and alocohol. I never told my kids because I feared that they’d use that as an excuse to try drugs and there is already a family history there. Instead I took every opportunity to educate them about the harms of drugs and alcohol, using my family history as example. I never preached, but if the topic came up I would discuss the realities of the issue with them. My oldest is now 20 and my youngest 18. Both are heavily into health and fitness, have never used illegal drugs as far as I’m aware, don’t smoke and rarely touch alcohol. I feel blessed that I’ve somehow broken the cycle with my kids.

      I don’t buy into the argument that there’s such a thing as ‘soft’ drugs. I’ve seen marijuahana completely take over the lives of people who say they just use it ‘recreationally’. I can see the effect it has on their memories, their ability to think clearly and on their motivation, even if they don’t. I see the long term efffects that it’s had on me and that other, harder drugs have had on me, ie. I contracted an infectious disease using IV drugs. I saw the effect alcohol had on my mother who died of liver chirrosis at a very young age. I just don’t think any good can come of it in the long term and that those who defend it for ‘recreational’ use are actually in denial, which is a common trait in drug abusers and addicts. I’ve been there and done that.

      In my experience, drugs ARE bad and it’s something kids need to know. Don’t preach or they’ll switch off or rebel, but I think it’s important that they’re aware of the harm all drugs cause, including alcohol and marijuahana. Also, try to direct their attention elsewhere from a young age. Health, fitness and sport are good outlets for kids (well maye not rugby league!). I was lucky that my kids had good role models with a few family members who are into fitness and health. Try to surround your kids with positive, healthy people who don’t make excuses and try to justify and rationalise drug and alcohol abuse.

    • Jeanie says:

      08:05am | 20/04/11

      Most families don’t have to tell their kids they take drugs (yes, TAKE them) as it is a fact that 1) alcohol is a psychoactive drug and parents don’t seem to care that their kids and the kid’s friends see them using and even abusing alcohol!  and 2) We are a pill popping nation and pop pills, consume potions etc. and do the same with our kids from the age of 2 months. Then there’s 3) the energy drinks that are full of caffeine that most kids consume from a very early age with the blessings of their parents.

      Best thing all round is to make all drugs legal and get out the FACTUAL information on every singe drug (including the so called legal ones),

      Consider for a moment which category alcohol would have been placed in if they now based the Criteria of Harm on morbidity, mortality, addictiveness, toxicity and relationship with crime. Something to think about.

    • adam says:

      09:00am | 20/04/11

      These dilemas show the absurdity of the “just say no” slogan.

      I have no hesitation telling the truth about the experimentation, but I also have no hesitation telling them what the risks are.  They are two parts of the one discussion.

    • Jimsk says:

      09:05am | 20/04/11

      I’ve tried pot twice, both times at parties (14 years apart). Both times I blacked out within minutes, and eventually passed out after making an embarrassing mess of myself (or so I’ve been told). I have told both my nine year old and have written a letter to my 7 month old telling him about it too (I’ve never met him but that’s a different story).
      I did this voluntarily as I felt that it was important they know the truth, and also that they know this is a possible side effect if they ever decide to try. I would prefer they didn’t make the same mistakes I did, but if they want to try drugs, they should be as informed as possible before deciding one way or the other.

    • RIchard Wilkinshire says:

      09:32am | 20/04/11

      This applies to 95% of the comments on here (both sides). The plural of anecdote is not data.

    • Shannon says:

      02:19pm | 20/04/11

      My parents were mostly honest with me about alcohol and drugs, my mum told me how on a contiki tour while in Greece she got so drunk she passed out next to the toilet in her room. She told me how she tried cigarettes, and how she hated it. My dad used to smoke when he was younger and stopped, but nearly everyone else in his family smokes. He explained to me that because schizophrenia is possible in our family, but only two of his cousins that smoked pot constantly are the ones who developed it and are on so many drugs to combat it they are now essentially comatose. I saw one of them once, he was a shell of a man.
      They were honest about what experiences they had, how they felt and as well as the effects. I tried drinking when I was underage, but most people did. I never got drunk until I was 17 and only a few months off 18. I never tried any other drug offered when I was living at home, and was always very anti-drug, especially as a child. This was a good thing I believe, because my parents told me about them, and to avoid them…At least until I was older. I’m now 21, and at uni doing the course of my dreams. I drink, yes, socially and to get drunk, but that is what people in uni do. I’ve tried cigarettes (mostly when I’m drunk, because that was the only time I felt like trying them), I didn’t like it. And I’ve tried pot, because once I was older I understood more that it isn’t something to be feared, and as long as you don’t do it constantly, it’s relative safe (safer than alcohol and cigarettes!). I have no interest in pot after trying it, all it did was make me feel sleepy, so it was a waste of time.
      Because my parents were honest with me about their underage drinking, or over-drinking, about smoking and pot, and the information on other drugs, I have no interest in them aside from alcohol, and even then I don’t drink unless it’s for a social reason. I went 5 months without alcohol, so it doesn’t bother me at all. I’ve heard enough horror stories about drugs from others as well to make me totally uninterested in doing them.
      My mum was also honest with me about sex, and about using protection. Your children will have sex eventually, so you best tell them how to protect themselves and other, absence is never going to be the answer. Because my mum gave me a self-worth of my body, and who I should share it with, as well as the smarts not to trust men, I did not have sex until I was 19, and when I did, it was my choice and it with someone I respected.
      Being honest and supportive of your children is the best way to go about it, don’t lie to them or threaten them with getting kicked out of home. If they know you are supportive, and loving, but you will be disappointed (that is the worst thing they could ever be) and there are consequences to their actions (both on your part and with whatever it is they do), they should turn out okay. But whether people do drugs often boils down to who they associate with and the situations they put themselves in. If you gave them the sense and the will power to avoid these situation or people, or not to give into peer pressure they should be fine. I was.

    • Scott Davis says:

      01:17pm | 22/04/11

      Would and did. 3 adult kids now one smokes pot occasionally. One is totally anti drug and the other experimented. They all know that I am able to talk to them about drugs rationally and without being punitive. The one who gave up had a long discussion with me about the effects of THC on him and I was truthfully able to say why I would not do the same thing again. He learned from his own experience and mine without having to go through it alone. They also grew up knowing that, if they brought drugs into the house, I would not tolerate it. They never did. I have less success with alcohol - peer pressure and the social norms mean 2 of them drink more than is healthy at times. At least we can talk about that too, and they are a bit more moderate now.

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