After 30 years of making the world a happier place, Apple co-founder and chairman Steve Jobs died yesterday, age 56. The world mourns the man some have called the Edison of our time.

People around the world took to social networks yesterday to express their condolences. Bill Gates tweeted: “I will miss Steve immensely”. Tony Hawk said: “Steve Jobs was the man”. Barack Obama’s statement, “There may be no greater tribute to Steve’s success than the fact that much of the world learned of his passing on a device he invented,” got retweet after retweet. 

While this was happening, Wikileaks was also tweeting about Steve Jobs. Except in doing so, the organisation was committing a journalistic crime taken straight from the playbook of the News of the World. You wouldn’t even read what they published on TMZ.

Wikileaks tweeted a link that contained what they said was “purported” to be “Steve Jobs medical records”. (After a torrent of criticism, Wikileaks denied they had published Jobs’ medical records yesterday - which is just semantics). The records they placed on their website made allegations about Jobs’ medical condition, even though the Wikileaks website said there was a strong chance they were fabricated and shouldn’t be taken at face value. 

There are two issues with this. First, Wikileaks published - to all intents and purposes - the private medical records of a man who had just died. A man who would have wanted his records kept private, whatever they contained.

The public had no real need to know why he was sick. We didn’t and don’t need to know the specific details. 

Second, the allegations in the documents were extremely likely to be totally inaccurate. I’m not going to publish what the documents alleged. It was an inaccurate smear of a dead man that could cause distress to Jobs’ family. It had all the credibility of a chain email. And they were published by an organisation that refers to themselves as “journalists”.

This raises a bunch of questions. Like: How is this any different to what some newspapers in the UK did when they threatened to publish the medical records of former PM Gordon Brown’s ill four-month-old boy? Are the basics much different to what News of the World journalists did when they were hacking away at the phone of a murdered schoolgirl?

I posed these questions yesterday to someone who’s studied the media ethics debate extensively: Dr Richard Phillipps, a research fellow with the School of Communication and Media at Bond University.

“I think in some ways this is worse, because in the [schoolgirl] case they were damaging what was a police investigation,” Dr Phillipps says, “But in this case there really isn’t a justifiable interest in the public knowing about this.”

Dr Phillipps says there are sometimes circumstances where medical records should be published. John F. Kennedy concealed from the public that he was suffering from a litany of serious health problems – something Americans might have liked to know about the man who stared down the Cuban Missile Crisis. But Steve Jobs wasn’t JFK. He was a private citizen.

“There might be the occasional very rare circumstance this might be justified but in my mind medical records should be between the doctor and the hospital,” says Dr Phillipps.

“I don’t see how they can get any credibility out of this. Most people would be sick of this sort of behaviour.”

Sure, Wikileaks has done some good things for journalism. They blew the lid on the US military murdering innocent cameramen in Iraq. Newspapers, from The New York Times to The Guardian to The Sydney Morning Herald have used Wikileaks’ release of State Department cables to break stories about what our governments haven’t been telling us.

Dr Phillipps says: “Some of the stuff they publish has had some good benefits. Governments have been trying to conceal some certain information and it’s important they come out eventually.”

But as well as doing some horrific things, even the News of the World did some good things for journalism – like blowing the lid on an international cricketing betting scandal. That doesn’t absolve it from its sins, though.

People care when reporters forget their humanity for the sake of a scoop. That poisons the well between readers and journalists. That’s why the News of the World no longer exists.

Late last year, Julian Assange published an op-ed in The Australian. Assange said Wikileaks was responsible for “scientific journalism”.

“Scientific journalism allows you to read a news story, then to click online to see the original document it is based on,” he writes. “Then you can judge yourself: Is the story true? Did the journalist report it accurately?”

But why aren’t Wikileaks asking themselves the question: “Is this the right thing to do?”

Some News of the World reporters forgot about what was right and wrong. But it seems strange that Wikileaks – a group of people who never fail to lecture others from atop their moral high horse – forgot about it too.

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    • powermax says:

      05:10am | 07/10/11

      “The Edison of our time”? More like the Barnum & Bailey of our time. Wasn’t Edison an inventor? What did Jobs invent?

      He was a fantastic marketer of other people’s invetions, without doubt the best of our time, and nobody should take that away fro him but don’t imbue him with qualities that he did not have.

    • Steve Smith says:

      06:23am | 07/10/11

      you might want to do a bit of reading

    • dovif says:

      07:24am | 07/10/11

      Powermax

      Have you heard of this thing call the Apple II, or Apple Mac? I nominate you for the grose of the year award.

      You might also want to google DOS. Without the operating system that Apple successfully created, which IBM duplicated and call Window. The world of computing would be a completely different place

    • Kebabpete says:

      07:39am | 07/10/11

      Funnily enough I said something similar at work yesterday and was called all names under the sun. (mostly by iphone owners i must admit)

      He did a great job building a computer a few years back, and has done an amazing job as a CEO, building the company to the second largest in the world. But people seem to think that he sat in a room on his own and came up with all these ideas. I think people forget that there are thousands of designers, engineers, etc, all over the world that come up with the new technology every day.

      I’m sad to see him go, but I won’t remember him as the be all and end all of computing genius, I’ll remember him as a great CEO and marketing genius. One of the few ‘big bosses’ who understood what people wanted and steered his company in that direction.

    • Nic says:

      07:47am | 07/10/11

      Looks to me like Dovif and Steve need to do a bit more reading themselves.

      Especially the part “He was a fantastic marketer of other people’s invetions”

      I’ll leave your ridiculous misunderstanding of the history of DOS for another time

    • Billy Whizz says:

      07:59am | 07/10/11

      @powermax - The Gates tribute may need some reading between the lines.  Aligning Jobs to Edison may be quite correct.  Edison was not an inventor but a patent lawyer who stole the work of others. School room history has bestowed on Edison inventions that he just claimed for himself as US patent law did not recognise international patents.  I can appreciate the convenience for non technical people to assign a modern digital electronic invention (or rather development) to an individual, celebrity is sexier than the reality of engineering development team meetings (especially in Australia which is only a retail outlet these days).  Although Jobs led a corporation that gave good design and usability to products that already existed,  his true legacy is saving Pixar and imo will outlive the Apple legend given a couple of technology development cycles.

    • neo says:

      08:34am | 07/10/11

      If we agree that Edison invented the motion picture camera and a working light bulb, I’d say he did a bit more than Jobs, who invented….what? He did not invent the computer, he did not invent the phone, he did not invent the mp3 player. His company simply manufactured these products.

      In saying that, this does not detract from him being a very intelligent man, a savvy businessman and an even better salesman.

    • Muzza says:

      08:51am | 07/10/11

      If you know what Steve Jobs was like see a movie called “Pirates of Silicon Valley” based on a book “Fire in the Valley: The Making of The Personal Computer”.

      Steve Wozniak was the real genius behind the Apple computer technically. Steve was the CEO, visionary, marketer, etc. but was also a P$#%%. He was a tyrant who drove his programmers to “burn out” to develop the MAC. The OS of the MAC which made it so different from everything else (i.e.early version of Windows) was ripped off from XEROX. He was so preoccupied with beating IBM that he didn’t see the elephant in the room, MICROSOFT, who stole it right under their noses. He was so on the nose, that on his birthday, no one wanted to give him his birthday well wishes and Steve was forced to, Years later, he would return to Apple, and unite with MICROSOFT (i.e.beg for money) to save the company.

      He may have guided the development of the IPOD, IPHONE, and IPAD, look, feel, specifications etc. and focused the companies effort into the right direction BUT, he did not invent anything. It is the work of thousands of computer programmers, engineers in Apple and other companies including chip manufacturers
      .

    • powermax says:

      08:58am | 07/10/11

      Steve Smith & dovif, I appreciate your advice. I have been around computers and computing since the days of punch cards, magnetic tape and COBOL. Hell, I was even around when change hummed on wires in shops.  As Billywhiz points out, saving Pixar is worth an accolade on its own.

      We don’t really achieve much by attributing to people qualities that they do not have. If we are to celebrate his life then let’s do it for the things he was.

      Without driven people, without great marketers my work would be useless and I would starve because I actually survive by inventing things.

    • dovif says:

      09:28am | 07/10/11

      Anubus and Nic
      Maybe u 2 need to learn how to read, before commenting
      I did not say he invented Dos, which was the operating system IBM used before they invented Windows. More likely, they copy it from the Apple. I was contrasting what might have been the case, if the Mac was never invented..
      Yes, the mouse and Graphic User interface was invented by other people, I never claimed Jobs invented them, so maybe you need to learn to read.
      As your articles said Jobs invented the Apple II and the Apply Mac, which further developed the principles, which I did claim Jobs helped invented. They also became “widely use” and “affordable” computer, which the other people were not able to invent.
      Without the further development done by Apple and Jobs, computers would not be as user friendly and popular. IBM decided to move to a similar operation system called the Window a few year after the Apple Mac and Apple II was prove in point.
      Almost everyone in the world use a computer and the desktop had not changed significantly for 30 years, the first widely sold computer that had these screen and was cost effective, was the Apple Mac and Apple II. These were indeed great inventions
      Your argument seem to be that since the stone men invented the Wheel, therefore they were the inventor of the Car. That is the stupidest argument I have ever heard

    • Michael says:

      09:51am | 07/10/11

      @Muzza

      XEROX!

      Always get dissed. Reckon they regret sticking to photocopiers?

      Recommend a great series called “Triumph of the Nerds” which documents the rise of Silicon Valley and the home computer industry.

      http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0115398/

    • Anubis says:

      10:35am | 07/10/11

      @ dovif - WTF you talking about. In your second post you say “I did not say he invented Dos, which was the operating system IBM used before they invented Windows”  YET in your first post you said “want to google DOS. Without the operating system that Apple successfully created, which IBM duplicated and call Window” Sort of looks like you are attributing DOS to Jobs and Apple.  As for IBM duplicating it NO. Read the links.

      DOS was originally devised by Xerox. Both Microsoft (Gates) and Jobs took this and created their own OS from the original. As for IBM duplicating the GUI - again read the links - Xerox created the GUI, Apple took that and modified it for their operating ststem, IBM created OS2 from it and Microsoft created Windows from it - again nothing to do with Jobs or Apple originally.

      As I said Dovif - read the links supplied and then consider putting your brain into gear before engaging the keyboard.

    • Brian B says:

      12:15pm | 07/10/11

      Your ignorance is breathtaking powermax! Try doing a little research on the achievements of Steve Jobs before sending your brain into meltdown.

      You may or may not like Apple products, but Job’s contribution to world IT progress is immense.

    • C.Fairy says:

      12:24pm | 07/10/11

      I’m not even an especially literate IT person, and certainly not a specialist, but even I know that QDOS (quick and dirty operating system) was purchased by Bill Gates for $50K from the guy who coded it … that operating system went on to become DOS, in the first instance. 

      Any suggestion that DOS was purchased from Xerox, or that IBM and everyone else all purchased DOS is ludicrous.  Do any of you have a clue what you’re talking about? 

      DOS was Microsoft’s first operating system.  Other people built their own operating systems.

      The early days of information technology, and personal computing, are so thoroughly documented - including in dozens of books, many of them even accurate - it beggars belief the level of ignorance out there; including, seemingly, no idea about the basics of computing.

    • dovif says:

      12:30pm | 07/10/11

      Anubus

      you are not very bright aren’t you. DOS was the operating system I compared mac and windows with.

      Sigh, you are really lacking in comprehension, you cannot read what people write and does it again

    • neo says:

      02:02pm | 07/10/11

      IBM invented Windows OS? Apple user I’m guessing?

      Can’t wait to boot my IBM Windows 7 when I get home.

      To be fair, Gates did develop Windows OS while working for IBM.

    • Nose Jobs says:

      02:24pm | 07/10/11

      Here is what a blogger has had to say, pretty spot on:

      “Give me a break. I’m sick of these drivels.
      Granted, Steve Jobs was an excellent entrepreneur and a marketing wizard, but that’s about it.
      He didn’t change your life. His made shiny toys and charge you crapload of money to buy it. You, the fanboys, work your ass off so you can afford the latest monochromic gadgets from Apple. An Apple consumer saying Jobs changed their life is akin to a Scientologist saying Ron Hubbard changed their life.
      He wasn’t philanthropic. In fact, he cut all philanthropic activities in Apple when he came back and became CEO. Unlike his counterpart, Bill Gates, Jobs only focus was on his company and its profit.
      He wasn’t innovative. He stole ideas from others while threaten them with lawsuits upon lawsuits. He even screwed over multiple times his best friend Wozniak who single-handedly design the first two generations of Apple computers by himself. Woz was behind everything innovative at Apple. Jobs was behind everything stolen and improved.
      As the article stated, he also refused to accept and acknowledge his first born daughter for two years. He kept lying that it wasn’t his despite being a millionaire at that time.
      As a CEO, he was fantastic for the shareholders.
      As a marketer, he was a God to the fanboys.
      But as a human being, Jobs is nothing but a sociopath.”

    • The Other Phi says:

      09:43am | 09/10/11

      @dovif - Here is what you posted:

      “You might also want to google DOS. Without the operating system that Apple successfully created, which IBM duplicated and call Window. The world of computing would be a completely different place.”

      I’m going to take a guess that English is not your first language, and as such I can understand how some things can come across, but your posts clearly state that Apple created DOS, and IBM created Windows. Please re-read what you’ve written. Perhaps you’re simply incorrectly substituting Microsoft for IBM?

      From that, to correct a few things. Apple DID have a version of DOS, and Steve Jobs had nothing to do with it. From the Wikipedia article:

      “Apple DOS was largely written by Steve Wozniak, Randy Wigginton, and outside contractor Paul Laughton.”

      However, Apple DOS was certainly not easy to use.

      Many systems that Apple released were not particularly cheap at the time of said release. For instance, the Apple III was almost $8000 in 1980, which was quite a considerable sum 31 years ago. It was the release of this new system from Apple that pushed people towards the IBM Personal Computer. A quote:

      “Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak stated that the primary reason for the Apple III’s failure was that the system was designed by Apple’s marketing department, unlike Apple’s previous engineering-driven projects.”

      There was actually a more popular personal computer model, by sales, than any other, and the majority of the components were produced in-house - the Commodore 64. It could be argued that it helped force development and refinement of personal computers in the IBM and Apple camps because it was obliterating them in supplies. Being sold in retail stores made it the first widely available personal computer.

      The company Apple has become has been through innovation and marketing, as opposed to outright invention. They leveraged already established ideas to create different versions of the same thing for a competing platform. The number of people who would have heard of Apple, or Macintosh, or PowerPC before 2000 versus their market share now should illustrate to you that they are innovators and marketers, rather than outright inventors.

    • Erick says:

      05:21am | 07/10/11

      Wikileaks under Assange’s leadership has not behaved like an ethical organisation. It has selectively released information, together with interpretations, for the sake of political spin. It has carelessly released unredacted documents that expose people to retaliation. And it has attempted to suppress other information that it doesn’t want people to know - particularly in regard to its own operations.

      Wikileaks is not a neutral source or an honest actor. It’s a politically motivated group with its own priorities and internal rivalries, and everything it does should be viewed as part of an agenda.

    • Nathan says:

      06:07am | 07/10/11

      “It has carelessly released unredacted documents that expose people to retaliation” Is that why governments and military officials have said that nothing said has placed people in danger?

      “Wikileaks is not a neutral source or an honest actor. It’s a politically motivated group with its own priorities and internal rivalries, and everything it does should be viewed as part of an agenda” And Fox is? It is no different to other media outlets. I would prefer to know that it has been discussed that the war in Afghanistan can not be won instead the usual crap we hear.

      The public has no access to the sensitive material that sends us to war which would be fine and the right thing if we could trust them but we can’t and that has been proven

    • marley says:

      06:24am | 07/10/11

      @Nathan - I seem to recall that, after the last mass dump of unredacted documents, governments changed their minds on that point, and so did a lot of reputable journalists.

    • Nathan says:

      06:37am | 07/10/11

      @marley
      Ah yeah i am sure people did change their mind after they have been embarrassed but does not mean that it is true. Considering these same people where the ones bullshitting the rest of the world why would i trust them now.

      As far as journo’s go i don’t really care about their opinion cause it is just that an opinion

    • Erick says:

      07:31am | 07/10/11

      @Nathan - “Is that why governments and military officials have said that nothing said has placed people in danger? “

      Totally, absolutely, and factually wrong. The very first batch of US documents released named informants in Afghanistan. Wikileaks was immediately criticised by both governments and human rights groups for revealing their names.

      How can you be so utterly uninformed?

    • AdamC says:

      08:34am | 07/10/11

      Erick, I agree. On top of its ethical shortcomings, WikiLeaks’ ‘revelations’ have been total fizzers, at least in terms of western governments.

      Also, I am surprised they refer to themselves as ‘journalists’. Journalists report news. WikiLeaks just publishes documents other people created confidentially. They are a source, not a media organisation.

      Lastly, on this misinformation point, I agree it is frustrating when people (especially self-righteous people) make a fetish of their own ignorance. And it is so common! Take the BDS ‘movement’ and ‘Occupy Wall Street’ as contemporary examples. (Shudder.) What have they got other than a grab-bag of rote slogans and deliberate blindness to any other perspectives?

    • neo says:

      08:50am | 07/10/11

      They don’t put spin on their reports, they release raw info, without commenting on it. That’s as unbiased as it gets really.

      The names and other details about the informants etc were edited out IIRC.

      Julian definitely has his own agenda, but so far it has resulted in exposing corruption and wrong doings at the highest levels of our government departments. However small, the effect is keeping governments accountable, something we should all thank Julian for.

    • Rose says:

      09:06am | 07/10/11

      Damn,, I agree 100% with Erick. That has never happened before and I find it just a little scary smile

    • Ghost says:

      09:09am | 07/10/11

      AdamC

      The media publish documents other people created.  Most of what you see is taken from other websites.  Yahoo News prints a story and a day or two later it’s printed here under the ‘journalists’ name purporting to be their work.

      That’s what journalism is these days.  A Monkey could do it.

    • Blind Freddy says:

      09:45am | 07/10/11

      @Erick

      Perhaps he should have leaked them to the “journalist” Bolt (the guy you were defending the other day). He wouldn’t “selectively release information, together with interpretations for the sake of political spin” and so on- now would he? And, because the political right reserve the right to vilify and misrepresent people under the guise of free speech no-one would complain- least of all your good self.

    • marley says:

      07:35am | 08/10/11

      @Nathan - no, actually it doesn’t.  Your article is from last October of last year and refers to the release of redacted cables via Wikileak’s MSM partners - The Guardian et al. 

      I was talking about the release in August of this year of unredacted cables directly to the public.  Wikileaks showed some sense of responsibility with the first release, but has been extensively criticized for the second dump of unfiltered, sensitive information.

    • Blind Freddy says:

      10:27am | 08/10/11

      Are Erick and marley the same person? Nathan addresses Erick and marley responds as though it were he/her being addressed. Strange.

    • marley says:

      12:20pm | 08/10/11

      @Blind Freddy - god forbid!  No, but I had put in a comment addressed to Nathan earlier on this point, and I didn’t know I was prohibited by some unknown rule of the blogworld from putting in another addressed to him about it.

    • Steve says:

      05:35am | 07/10/11

      Agree with you here. Assange is a nutter and while it’s admirable that he is trying to uncover government plots against its citizens, I’m sure News of the World justified their scoops similarly and the stuff like linking Jobs’ medical history is why I reckon this guy is not a holy as he claims to be (and certainly not a responsible journalist).

    • James Ricketson says:

      06:10am | 07/10/11

      Alas, Assange’s egomania is leading him to claim (demand!) more than his 15 minutes of fame. Wikileaks would be better off without him now.

    • Kafir says:

      06:11am | 07/10/11

      You need to improve your research if you want to write about something. Wikileaks has posted a link, but it was to an external website (ie. not Wikileaks). So the purported “Steve Jobs medical records” were not published by them but by somebody else. If you want to make someone a villain make sure you point the finger in the right direction. Very substandard journalism.

    • marley says:

      06:31am | 07/10/11

      @Kafir - oh come now.  Wikileaks published completely unsubstantiated allegations abut Jobs health with links to the external site back in 2009.  It admitted the sources were dubious - so why publish them at all until it had made some effort to verify them? 

      Then, Steve Jobs dies and Wikileaks immediately posts another link to a story that had no credibility in the first place. 

      “Scientific journalism” my ass.  This is exploitation of the worst kind.  And the substandard journalism, if it can even be called journalism, is entirely theirs.  (PS your research isn’t too hot either).

    • Delta says:

      06:34am | 07/10/11

      Suprised your contribution got through the mods Kafir.

    • Daniel Piotrowski

      Daniel Piotrowski says:

      06:40am | 07/10/11

      Nope. Wikileaks posted a link on Twitter to a Wikileaks page. Where you could download said documents. I mentioned they said they were probably fabricated.

    • Nathan says:

      07:00am | 07/10/11

      So they put a piece saying it could be fabricated and had been up before he died, then there is this whole conversation about how its irresponsible journalism. Better than writing as if things are fact or gospel then find out they are a lie later on. Timing could of been better but only if we actually held all media outlets up to these standards.

      Good to see twitter continues to be a trusted tool for Journalists

    • marley says:

      07:24am | 07/10/11

      @Nathan - what is says is that wikileaks is a gossip site, not a journalism site.  Publishing links to documents they think might be fake without checking is bad enough; republishing them two or three years later to take advantage of the hype around Jobs death is despicable.

    • Nathan says:

      07:33am | 07/10/11

      are you serious marley how is it different to another media outlet then? If you can answer that i would be surprised. I am not defending them but i don’t understand why everyone is up in arms when they all do it. Its because Steve Jobs is beyond reproach even though many of his actions where extremely unethical

    • Direct says:

      07:43am | 07/10/11

      @marley, I don’t accept that argument. Wikileaks provides sources. The journalist was honest enough to provide them and state outright that they may be fabricated. To me, that represents a lot more honesty and garners more trust that the MSM which frequently reports opinion as fact and rarely is honest about mistakes.

    • marley says:

      08:05am | 07/10/11

      @Direct - in this case, wikileaks published an article about Jobs based on documents it said were possibly fraudulent. 

      Well, wikileaks and Assange claim to provide news and information, and to offer responsible scientific journalism.  Please explain how publishing a couple of documents they didn’t even bother to check out puts wikileaks on a plane any different from the worst of the yellow press?  Or from any anonymous blogger with an axe to grind?

      And second, tell me why, all of sudden, after three years, wikileaks uses Jobs’ death to highlight that old and dubious article?  Are they remotely interested in truth, or just in notoriety?

      It’s absolutely sleezy behaviour.  Wikileaks has joined the bottom feeders it so despises.

    • AdamC says:

      08:41am | 07/10/11

      This is a totally unedifying discussion. What is the argument, that it is OK to publish someone’s private medical information, or that it is OK to publish inaccurate information if, like, you add a disclaimer that it might be inaccurate?

      They are both wrong. What an awful thing to do to a grieving family.

    • hot tub political machine says:

      09:27am | 07/10/11

      Wikileaks is a competitor to the MSM. Any mistake they make is obviously going to be reported.

    • marley says:

      09:28am | 07/10/11

      @Nathan - take a look at the Australian code of ethics for journalism.  It demands honesty, fairness, independence and respect for others.  Wikileaks’ timing of its Twitter fails on three of these counts. 

      My criticism has nothing to do with Jobs but everything to do with wikileaks claiming some sort of moral superiority for their “scientific journalism.”  When you publish an article which you admit might be based on false information and which you haven’t even attempted to verify, then it’s neither scientific nor journalism.  And any claim you have to moral superiority flew out the window. 

      And when you republish something just to take advantage of Jobs’ death, you are also a bone-lazy opportunist. 

      This doesn’t make News of the World right;  it just puts wiki in the same unsavoury basket.

    • Kheiron says:

      04:17pm | 07/10/11

      What percentage of news organizations opt to state simple fact, and what percentage opt to provide ‘some shit you might be interested in, when you might be interested in it’?
      I’ll give you a hint, it’s about 1% for the first point and 99% for the second with a 1% margin of error.

      Wikileaks have provided some shit we might be interested in, when we might be interested in it and had the decency to admit that it might be fabricated.
      What was the alternative? Not publish anything until indisputable imperical evidence could be simultaneously supplied?
      Imagine if your local TV news did that. It’d be nothing but a dude in a tie and a chick in 2 inches of make up twiddling their thumbs or playing cards.
      Accept the facts. ‘News’ is provided in a ‘to the best of my knowledge’ format and by my memory Wikileaks is the only one yet admit to it.

      All in all, posting medical records seems retarded…why people would be interested in them as well seems even more retarded, he aint getting any deader, but if the main point of concern is the posting something of ‘suspicious accuracy’ then I consider everyone wih their undies in knots over it to be the most retarded of all.

    • Vindy says:

      06:19am | 07/10/11

      Oh the Murdoch Empire is absolved!  It was ‘only’ a murdered schoolgirl’s phone and ‘only’ jeopardising a police investigation and ‘only’ giving the parents false hope.

      Mr Piotrowski, what is your relationship with Dr Phillipps?

    • adam says:

      06:38am | 07/10/11

      I didn’t read it that way Vindy. I understood young DAn to be saying that even though (questionably) Wikileaks did some good, the most recent activity was as bad as News actions.

      The relationship between the author and the Doctor appears to be one of researcher and source of information/opinion nothing more or less.

      Really should leave predjudices at the door you know

    • Vindy says:

      06:53am | 07/10/11

      adam

      Perhaps you should read this part:

      “I think in some ways this is worse, because in the [schoolgirl] case they were damaging what was a police investigation,” Dr Phillipps says, “But in this case there really isn’t a justifiable interest in the public knowing about this.”

      That’s saying that in the ‘good’ Doctor’s opinion, interfering in a police investigation into a murdered school girl isn’t as bad as publishing Steve Job’s alleged medical history.

      In what world do we live in when we can even begin to justify such criminal behaviour by a news corporation.  ‘Oh well, that crime wasn’t as bad as…’???

      How would you know what their connection is?  One is studying ‘journalism’ one is an journalistic ‘ethics’ (read height of hypocrisy) expert.

      Step out into the real world adam.

    • Nathan says:

      07:12am | 07/10/11

      News of the World is much worse…much much worse and wins hands down. For one they hired PI to dig up information

    • adam says:

      07:22am | 07/10/11

      I tried the real world once Vindy, didn’t agree with me

    • Bob Stewart, the same says:

      06:41am | 07/10/11

      Steve Jobs is a thinker in a Nation that produces thinkers. A clear example of a mind that was unfettered or restricted in any way by bureaucratic interference or a politician seeking to steal any of it as their own..

    • Johnny Truth says:

      06:56am | 07/10/11

      Sorry, how do you know the medical records were inaccurate?

    • Nathan says:

      07:14am | 07/10/11

      my understanding is that wikileaks can’t verify its authenticity

    • marley says:

      07:26am | 07/10/11

      It is my understanding that the letter was allegedly written in 2004 on the letterhead of a company that was only established in 2006.

      Either way, wiki did absolutely nothing to verify the accuracy of its material either then or now.

    • Ghost says:

      07:33am | 07/10/11

      Umm no journalists verifies anything these days.  How many times have we seen hoax details the day after the media world was made to look foolish.  Research = Google.

    • Martin says:

      08:51am | 07/10/11

      So Andrew Bolt works for Wikileaks now ?

    • Kebabpete says:

      07:19am | 07/10/11

      Michael Moore does it with documentaries, Wikileaks does it via the internet. Whilst I may agree with some and be interested enough to sometimes take a look, it is merely telling you the complete opposite of what govt’s do not. Neither of which is completely true. Having both sides of a story lets the reader decide which way they’ll swing.

      What publishing the medical records of someone does though, I will never know, or for that matter, care.

    • St. Michael says:

      02:56pm | 07/10/11

      Bear in mind Michael Moore has been accused of heavily editing to make a point, so putting him in the same box as Wikileaks isn’t accurate.  Moore proselytises; Wikileaks at least releases the original documents for people to browse over themselves.

    • Anna C says:

      07:45am | 07/10/11

      So what if the guy died from ...? Who cares? What is this the 80’s or something?

      How is it in the public interest for us to know his private medical details and could the timing be any worse for his family? This doesn’t seem like responsible journalism to me but then again what do you expect from Wikileaks?

    • Andrew Landeryou says:

      08:05am | 07/10/11

      Good article on the latest example of Wikileaks’ badness.

      Wikileaks’ willingness to endanger lives by failing to redact the identities of democracy activists operating behind the iron curtain of various tyrannies is as sinister as anything I’ve ever seen in publishing, perhaps even more than your Joe Hildebrand’s on-again off-again bro-mance with Kevin Rudd.

      But, seriously, since when does this fine outlet use the “News of the World” as an example of all things bad in journalism?

      While the voicemail hacking thing wasn’t good, and I don’t defend it, surely you don’t pretend it was the only UK newspaper doing it. Very many of them did exactly the same thing, including NOTW’s principal rivals, who have commercially benefited from its closure.

      The truth is the NOTW was a magnificent beast and was probably the finest tabloid newspaper ever, anywhere.

      I mourn its passing. And it greatly troubles me that on this News Corp property, you insult the memory of a great newspaper and the good name of the many hundreds of terrific people who worked there and made it what it was.

      Hate the sin, but the sinner was as good as it gets. It might not be popular to say so but you would all do well to aspire to the heights of brilliance, fearlessness and creativity that the News of the World exemplified.

    • Zeta says:

      08:26am | 07/10/11

      ...so it’s OK for Andrew Landeryou’s ‘news’ blog to publish the name of a NSW Minister accused of a ‘public sex act’, even though the information was from dubious sources, and the accusation itself was most likely untrue - but it’s not OK for Wikileaks to publish an individual’s obviously forged medical records with a disclaimer that the accusations were untrue?

    • powermax says:

      08:33am | 07/10/11

      A vex on you Andrew. How dare you speak truth here. Now get back to your own blog.

    • powermax says:

      09:17am | 07/10/11

      Zeta, Andrew is quite capable of defending himself but I think he did a service in publishing that story. We know who the name of the MP concerned which removes the sense of taint from the other male ministers, I know who took the story to the Premier and I have assumed that it is largely a non-story as there appears to be no interest in it. This could easily have turned into a running sore of a story.

      I do know the man professionally (the MP) and cannot imagine that he would be happy about his name being mentioned but there is a public interest element there. What public interest element is there in knowing Jobs medical background unless you were an investor or speculator in Apple stock?

    • Andrew Landeryou says:

      05:30pm | 07/10/11

      This is not the place to discuss the merits of contentious stories published by VEXNEWS but we certainly stand by the story we published, a story we accurately reported, in its correct context. A detailed discussion of that isn’t possible here, though, lest we get our hosts into trouble, so let’s not.

      Wikileaks is just disgusting, let’s face it. 

      We love a good leak, as much as the next man leaving a pub after a session, but by failing to redact the names of those crusading against tyranny they have not only endangered countless lives but have debased an otherwise great concept and probably forever discredited it, leaving it remembered as a high-polluting vehicle of anti-American crapulence.

      We don’t think that has much to do with our decision to be specific about the identity of a high-profile person accused of doing a bad thing. Indeed, we reaffirm our commitment to be first with the worst, just like the wonderful News of the World was. To adapt the old Thai greeting ‘We love them long time.’

    • S Ads says:

      08:17am | 07/10/11

      You do realize that Wikileaks released (linked to -whatever-semantics) these documents in 2009 so hardly the attack on the recently deceased the author indicates. Not a fan of Wikileaks but lets aim for some accuracy somewhere.

    • Daniel Piotrowski

      Daniel Piotrowski says:

      08:34am | 07/10/11

      Yep, but they tweeted it to their 1,100,000+ twitter followers yesterday.

    • Craig says:

      08:17am | 07/10/11

      I would like to see more journalistic endeavors provide qualification of sources “this has not been verified”, “this is probably just a rumor”. Wikileaks did the right thing providing these types of qualifications where most medi organisations just report rumors as truth with no gradation allowing readers to tune their bs detectors.

      Criticizing Wikileaks for being just like trading media outlets seems an odd way to attempt to discredit them anyway. A bit of an own goal really.

      “we’ll discredit them by defining a really high standard (supported by a couple of out of context quotes) that we’ll then critique them for not meeting” - really transparent tactic used by hate journalism.

      Shame to see it here.

    • Jane says:

      08:52am | 07/10/11

      Actually people do have a right to know when they own stock in a corporation who relies heavily on one individual for it’s profit. Possibly more so than a PM who is easier to replace. They said the information could be incorrect which is a huge improvement on the mainstream press. I think some are more outraged because they would respect him less if it were true. Would you have penned this if his supposed medical records were less controversial? It is the reader that attaches stigma afterall.

      I would not think any differently about him. It is discriminatory thinking to attach more importance to this than articles that suggest he died from pancreatic cancer

      I am surprised that private individuals who win a prize are open for fodder if they are Indigenous but when a non private individual is open to speculation the extreme right wing get all in a lather. Then they say they are not racist ?

      I am against private individual being exposed in the press, however he was not a private individial and the press have done far worse on a very regular basis.

    • marley says:

      09:45am | 07/10/11

      People might have a right to know about an individual’s medical condition if it will affect the value of their stock.  But, in case you missed it, Steve Jobs died before wikileaks sent its tweet.  So how is knowing about a medical condition Jobs might have had going to affect the value of anyone’s stock?

      You don’t have to be an extreme right winger to think that wikileaks abandoned any pretense to ethics on this one.

    • Luce says:

      11:27am | 07/10/11

      The fact that he was sick and the chances of survival might affect the price of the stock, but it’s no one’s business whether he was sick from pancreatic cancer, multiple sclerosis or Alzheimer’s Disease. Medical records are a very sensitive and private issue and we don’t have the right to go digging through them.

      It makes me feel a little sick that wikileaks went through with this to be honest.

    • marley says:

      11:38am | 07/10/11

      @Jane - wikileaks did no “analysis,” so that bird won’t fly.  They did no verification either.  They just passed on a rumour.  It was a pretty low thing to do even when Jobs was alive.  I can think of no justification to revive the story (without having bothered to check it out in the intervening three years) after he was dead.

    • Blind Freddy says:

      09:36am | 10/10/11

      @marley

      Sorry.

    • Dan says:

      09:20am | 07/10/11

      OH Boo Hoo.
      Quick let’s attack Wikileaks again cause they always seem to get the jump on us “real” journalists.

      Are you saying that he didn’t have _ _ _ ?  Who do you know ?

      Steve Jobs was just another megalomaniac, the man did nothing to change the world for the better.
      We all rather look and talk to screens instead of each others faces !!
      wow massive advancement for humanity.
      All that money and influence yet he was very absent on the charity scene
      (he kept it all “safe” in the bank).
      RIP to Steve Jobs and RIP to all of the “other” people who died yesterday.
      Apple is just a another monopoly seeking company that produces cheap products with massive mark ups, why are you all sad ?!.

    • Luce says:

      09:32am | 07/10/11

      “Wikileaks website said there was a strong chance they were fabricated and shouldn’t be taken at face value.”

      Then why on earth did they publish the website in the first place?! Regardless of whether it was real or not, and regardless of whether they knew if it was real or not, it’s still a pretty despicable thing to do.

      Wikileaks has always made me uncomfortable. Their actions can potentially affect us all, and I’m not overly confident they operate with the public interest at heart, instead of the ego and personal agenda of a few select individuals.

    • Jane says:

      11:34am | 07/10/11

      @Luce, they treat the reader as grown ups. They do not pass judgement or opinion, just the document and allow the reader to be their own journalist and make their own conclusion. Other press say reports suggest he dies from***, or is is believed he died from**** and generally treat the reader like a child. I prefer to being treated like a adult thank you.

    • Luce says:

      12:38pm | 07/10/11

      Jane, I’m not talking AT ALL about whether the reader is capable of forming their own opinion or judgement, I’m not that patronising.

      What I find despicable is the fact they released what may or may not have been someone’s medical records to the entire world. Medical records are incredibly private and highly protected for a reason. Releasing another person’s records to the public, whether real or posing as real, is ethically abhorrent. It’s not the same as a confidential government cable, it’s someone’s health, which should be protected and kept private. How would you like it if your medical records were distributed to people you don’t know?! Something like this shouldn’t happen even, regardless of the person’s status.

      The fact that some people are ok with what wikileaks did I find quite disturbing.

    • Tanya says:

      09:34am | 07/10/11

      It’s beyond me why Steve Jobs’ medical records, authentic or not would be considered by any media outlet as being in the public interest. It would also seem contra to Wikileaks’ charter. If the interview with Assange on ABC earlier this week was anything to go by,  the organisation is spiralling out of control anyway.

    • Blind Freddy says:

      09:35am | 07/10/11

      OMG! Are you telling me that Wikileaks ain’t perfect? Well they certainly aren’t the Lone Ranger.
      And here I was thunking Wikileaks were going to be the silver bullet that saved the world from tyranny while the rest of us could sit on our lazy arses approving and disapproving of the world as it passes us by on our wide screen TVs.

      Damn! Now I’ll have to do something myself . . . I know, first I’ll just post this “change the world” comment on The Punch . . . then I’ll get a coffee . . . then I’ll check, and then . . . . and . . . . what tyranny?

      If Wikileaks has done one thing it has shown us that OUR government aren’t solely OUR government.

    • RobJ says:

      09:57am | 07/10/11

      “After 30 years of making the world a happier place”

      I stopped reading here, no doubt if I was on a Chinese production line producing these pretty tech trinkets I’d feel the same way.  I think the world is a lot bigger than you realise.

    • AdamC says:

      10:23am | 07/10/11

      Yeah, RobJ, it would be so much better if all these Chinese factory workers just went back to the village and started toiling in the rice fields again.

      I mean, sure, their living standards would be radically lower, but, hey, we in the developed world (or, at least, some of us) wouldn’t have to feel guilty when we buy our ‘pretty tech trinkets’.

      What was it you were saying about the world being bigger?

    • Kipling says:

      12:10pm | 07/10/11

      Standard of living would be worse? How could you possibly demonstrate that?
      The standard of living of people working in corporate supply sweatshops is not exactly peachy mate. Jesus.
      Given the post, I doubt you would ever feel guilt, but you would not be alone there I mean let’s face it the overall sales figures demonstrate clearly how much people care.

    • RobJ says:

      12:30pm | 07/10/11

      “Yeah, RobJ, it would be so much better if all these Chinese factory workers just went back to the village and started toiling in the rice fields again”

      Sounds more idyllic than being IMPRISONED in a factory..

    • AdamC says:

      12:49pm | 07/10/11

      “Standard of living would be worse? How could you possibly demonstrate that?”

      Kipling, are you serious? Have you missed the last twenty-five years of Chinese industrial development? Working on a production line in Shenzen may not be so great a lifestyle by Australian standards, but it is a hell of a lot better than subsisting on the riceline in rural China. Why do you think hundreds of millions of Chinese workers left the countryside for the cities in the first place?

      RobJ, I am sure that the romanticised ideal you may have of rustic life in the Orient beats the brutalist squalor of the Chinese manufacturing idustry of your imagination. Of course, working conditions in Chinese factories aren’t great, especially by the standars of developed nations, but to describe them as akin to (capitalised) imprisonment is laughable.   

      The two of you seem to be suggesting that Chinese people should miss out on economic opportunities for the sake of indulging your own guilty consciences. You’ll have to excuse me if I don’t find that especially compelling.

    • RobJ says:

      02:32pm | 07/10/11

      “The two of you seem to be suggesting that Chinese people should miss out on economic opportunities”

      Actually I’m just disputing the ridiculous claim that Jobs made the world a happier place, if trinkets make you happy then yeah!

    • Kipling says:

      02:45pm | 07/10/11

      AdamC your subjective analysis that is devoid of any statistical evidence hardly meets a standard of proof.
      Subsisting in the free market economy is still subsisting you just can’t sugar coat that, as to it being better, that is your opinion.
      I am not sure of your figures of hundreds of millions, but I suspect the reasons for many leaving the country and going to the city would many and varied but the lure of untold wealth would not doubt be amongst the reasons. I am curious though what you think the reason (are you certain there are not several?) for all those people leaving is.
      Tell me do you think that those “hundred’s of millions” were making informed choices when they left the country side?

      As to this comment “Of course, working conditions in Chinese factories aren’t great, especially by the standars of developed nations, but to describe them as akin to (capitalised) imprisonment is laughable.” Supposing your asertion about that which is laughable is correct, could you please more specifically define NOT GREAT because that too seems to me to be just a tad “laughable” in context. Not great willfully dismisses the blatant exploitation (and I daresay worse) of these people as a minor irrelevancy.
      Please expand on the “economic opportunities” that these people would be missing out on. Being able to work in conditions that “are not great” for pay that is also no doubt “not great” is an opportunity? Excellent double speak.
      By the way, I don’t advocate either way, however, it seems to me that these workers do not need to miss out, in fact, that is the point, I say they are being ripped off unfairly and without advocacy. It seems on the other hand that you advocate for their ongong exploitation of workers, to what end one can only theorise. Clearly cheap labour reduces costs, but it is easily demonstrated that this does not translate to cheaper product on the shelves. That is a good idea to be seen to support I guess.

    • AdamC says:

      03:29pm | 07/10/11

      Kipling, I didn’t provide links to statistics about China’s industrial development and urban/rural income divide because:

      a) they are common knowledge for most of us; and
      b) if you really did wanted to find statistics on these subjects, you could have Googled them. There’s plenty there.

      Therefore, I don’t propose to do your research for you. I am not an amateur high school teacher. If you would like to persist in ignorance, that is fine with me.

      Your other point seems to boil down to “life may be better in China’s industrial ecomomy than its peasant economy, but it is still pretty crap [by my standards]”. Unsurprisingly, Kipling, I agree with you. However, Chinese economic progress (facilitated, in part, by the openness of developed markets to merchandise trade) has lifted hundreds of millions of people out of poverty. (And, again, there plenty of stats on this if you would bother to look.) How many has western hand-wringing so elevated?

      RobJ, so now it’s not that the Chinese workers are actually worse off under Apple’s tyranny, but that iPads, iPhones and other ‘trinkets’ don’t make you happy. I dare say you could lighten up a little!

    • Kipling says:

      10:11am | 08/10/11

      AdamC, you make the claim, the onus is on you to back it up. Basic debating 101.

      Your extensive research obviously overlooked the negative impact of Multi National Corporations on the standards of living.

      No problem though, we can obviously leave each other in our ignorance.

    • I Prefer Pears says:

      11:19am | 07/10/11

      A corporate celebrity dies and the worker ants mourn as they are programmed to.  All is well.

    • marley says:

      11:40am | 07/10/11

      This article is about journalistic ethics, not the death of a corporate celebrity.  I might not mourn the death of Jobs, but I do mourn the death of wikileaks’ moral ascendancy.  They’re in it for the money just like everyone else.

    • Kipling says:

      12:13pm | 07/10/11

      @ Marley - I reckon the article being about journalistic ethics is the height of hypocrisy then. The very term is an oxy moron, at least in the modern context.
      As to Wikileaks being in it for the money, does that make them evil? I suspect the answer is yes, because it appears very evident that every other bastard in it for the money is an evil prick…

    • marley says:

      01:17pm | 07/10/11

      @kipling - all I’m saying is that the article is not actually about Steve Jobs.

    • Seth Brundle says:

      11:26am | 07/10/11

      I look forward to seeing similar outpourings of emotion when Harvey Norman or some other retail giant kicks the bucket.  After all, they also are making the world “a happier place”

    • meh says:

      11:33am | 07/10/11

      A question of what is worse.

      Interfering with a Police investigation in to a murdered school girl
      OR
      Publishing Medical Info for the titillation factor
      OR
      Using Steve Jobs death to slag off Wikileaks.

      Answer - They are all lower than a snakes belly at times. No point getting into the mud to see how deep they have sunk.

    • Jack says:

      11:59am | 07/10/11

      As per usual no one is really thinking with their heads, preferring to allow themselves to be swept up in the hysteria. From what I can gather, Wikileaks published this to alert people to the fact that the man’s medical records may have been tampered with. The question should be by whom, and for what purpose? The obvious omission here is that if he is diagnosed with one illness and his records are tampered with and told he has something with similar symptoms but requires a totally different treatment program, he will die. The illness that the Wikileaks photos of his medical records states he had, indicate an illness that chemotherapy drugs are used to treat for a far longer time period than cancer patients use them for. And if his medical records can be tampered with, so can his death records. There is more to this than simple moral outrage. Steve Jobs was a big player with a lot of power and who had very powerful “friends. I don’t think Wikileaks intention was to attack the Jobs family in their hours of grief, I suspect it may be to alert them that perhaps something sinister happened to him.

    • marley says:

      07:25am | 08/10/11

      I don’t know where you got that theory from, but it certainly doesn’t fit with the original article wikileaks put out, nor with their reviving it after the man died.  They have never at any time suggested records were tampered with.

    • The Cement Head says:

      01:59pm | 07/10/11

      Steve Jobs gave us the I Phone, the I Pad, and I am.
      As a result ,Steve Jobs got I Cancer And I died.

    • Mark says:

      02:13pm | 07/10/11

      Steve was more like Jefferson. Whereas Jefferson gave a coherent voice to ideas that all people truly yearn to realise and made them real, Steve envisioned a way of computing which is as natural as it is revolutionary.

    • FaFaksake Getagrip says:

      04:24pm | 07/10/11

      Steve Jobs - wasn’t he the guy who invented breathing and thinking?

    • stephen says:

      06:11pm | 07/10/11

      Wikileaks is cruel, and this latest release indicates that they are in a mode of panic.
      ‘Bout time, I say.

    • onlooker says:

      06:12am | 08/10/11

      I have no liking at all of Assange, egomaniac is an understatement, and who is he to condemn anyone, when he is not even man enough to face these sex charges. If he is innocent the truth set him free, if not, let him rot

    • Blind Freddy says:

      08:39am | 08/10/11

      Naive or what!?

    • Robert S McCormick says:

      01:40pm | 08/10/11

      I doubt very much if Steve Jobs would appreciate being compared with Thomas Edison. Yes, Edison did give us the Light Globe & for that he deserves acclaim in the same way as Jobs has deserved it for what he did.
      But take away Edison’s halo & look at the actions of the man himself.
      This was the man who, simply to prove a point over his rival, George Westinghouse & Westinghouse’s “Alternating Current”. by publicly & deliberately electrocuting innocent, if stray, dogs & cats along with not-so-stray cows & horses. Science had nothing to do with it. He was simply trying to score a point over his rival!
      In 1903 in the US an Elephant, based at Coney Island’s Luna Park, by the name of Topsy, was deliberately fed a lighted cigarette by her owner. In her distress Topsy killed him. At the time most circus elephants were forgiven if the killed one or two people. This was Topsy’s 3rd kill. Her owners decided to kill Topsy & turned the event into a gruesome public exhibition by hanging her. There was a public outcry against this cruel, unusual & inhumane proposal. The people at Coney Island approached Thomas Edison. This monstrous man could not resist the opportunity so he put copper-lined sandals on poor Topsy & shot 66,000 volts through her. Her killing took 10 horrifying & horrifyingly painful seconds to complete.
      Edison, that great man of Science, brought his own camera with him & filmed the entire thing. Purely to prove a point against george Westinghouse he went around the USA showing this film to anyone who could bear to watch it.
      The above is sourced from the Author’s Notes at the end of Sarah Gruen’s wonderful book (& now film) “Water for Elephants”. Ms Gruen’s historical report has never been refuted or denied.
      Steve Job was a great man who achieved a lot & his achievements may be of the some scale, or greater, than invention of the light globe but he was also a far greater Human Being than Thomas Edison ever was.

 

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