Over the past 20 years there’s been a revolution in how people use technology in their spare time. I grew up in a time where most people had a TV and a stereo in their house and from the 1980s, VCRs. That was pretty much it.

Jason and his Friday the 13th films aren't everyone's cup of tea, but if it's your thing you're free to watch them.

Fast forward to 2010, and many households have flat screen TVs, iPods, PlayStations and a plethora of other computing devices. In fact, 88% of Australian households now have a gaming console.  Kids and adults alike wile away the hours pretending to play for St Kilda, playing guitar like Ray Toro or fighting guerrilla wars.

It’s our job as a society, and my job as the Minister responsible for classification in the Australian Government, to work out which games should be allowed to be played by anyone; which games should be restricted to adults; and which are so extreme and offensive, that we wouldn’t want them here at all.

While I’m not personally a fan of Jason and the Friday the 13th series, the fact is, if you’re over 18 you can watch as much of it as you like – all 12 movies if you want.

But, when it comes to games, if the game is judged not to be suitable for people under 15 - it can’t be played legally in Australia.

Like many debates in our society, this one is a question of balancing the right to individual choice against the potential harm that might be caused to society by allowing that choice.

I don’t believe there is sufficient evidence to prove that playing violent games causes violent behaviour. I released a literature review last week that found the evidence is inconclusive.

What evidence there is, is not strong enough to make me want to stop the millions of Australians who play games safely, responsibly, and actually have a lot of fun.

There is, of course, a particular concern about children being exposed to gratuitous sex, violence and mature themes. Clearly some games are not suitable for teenagers or children.

Under the existing system, I believe there may be dozens of games that are currently in the MA15+ category that might be considered for reclassification to an adult only category – consistent with how they are rated overseas.

I don’t want games available to kids in Australia that are only available to adults overseas. And I want parents to be able to make well-informed decisions about what their kids should be playing.

Australians deserve a modern classification system that recognises what’s going on in Australian households. Instead of pushing people to download games online, we should encourage responsible use, with accurate warnings and information.

There’s an economic argument here too. We shouldn’t be giving online games, based overseas, an advantage over the games developed and sold in Australia. The games industry employs thousands of Australians, many of them young people, and we need to support that industry to grow in the future.

Last December, I asked people whether they thought we needed an adult only classification for games, that is, an R18+ rating. About 60,000 people responded, and they were overwhelmingly in favour of having an R18+ category for games.

I’ve also released independent survey results from Galaxy this week that shows 80% of the more than 2200 people surveyed support the introduction of an R18+ video game classification.

The jury is in, as far as the public is concerned, and I believe there is very strong public support for the introduction of the new adult classification for video games.

The question is now one for State and Territory Classification Ministers, who will meet in Canberra on Friday.

A decision for change will mean that Australian adults can have easier access to the games they want and parents will be equipped to make sensible decisions about the games their kids play.

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    • ian m says:

      05:43am | 07/12/10

      Dear comrade Brendan, you think it’s your job to act as big brother, controlling all we are allowed to see, hear or want. Are you a good friend of comrade Stephen, I assume you are. It appears you want us heading down the same politically correct course as the UK where freedom of speech is no longer free, and big brother tells the people what they can talk about in any public forum or risk the police and a court date. Please leave what freedoms we have left Free!

    • JH says:

      06:39am | 07/12/10

      Did you even read the article?

    • TimB says:

      06:48am | 07/12/10

      Ian M did you bother to read the article? Brendan is in favour of an R18+ rating.

      I have no idea what your comment is based on. I enjoy slagging off the government as much as anyone, but they have to deserve it. In this case the only thing Brendan deserves is applause for his common sense stance on an issue that should have gone away ages ago.

    • Macca says:

      07:22am | 07/12/10

      Clearly not

    • Andrew says:

      07:37am | 07/12/10

      An R18+ classification will actually give more freedom to people who are over 18 as currently many games that are rated R overseas are refused classification under the current Australian system and therefore can’t be sold in Australia. However I can see how you would miss the point of the article by not actually reading the article.

    • TRiPWiRE says:

      07:45am | 07/12/10

      WTF? I don’t even think you read the title, let alone any of the article!?!

    • Elphaba says:

      07:55am | 07/12/10

      Obviously not.

    • ian m says:

      07:58am | 07/12/10

      JH its how it started in the UK 15 years ago, slowly slowly by the Blair Labour Government. Now people as young as 5 can be arrested for racial intolerence and the like!

    • TimB says:

      08:29am | 07/12/10

      Ian what the hell are you talking about?

      This is about computer game classification laws. It has nothing to do with whatever you’re blabbing on about.

      Are you even reading the same article as the rest of us?

    • James1 says:

      09:33am | 07/12/10

      ian m,

      There are two things about your posts that bother me.

      1) It has nothing to do with the article, as has been pointed out.
      2) How does a five year old child come to be racially intolerant?  What a scary thought…

    • samueljackson says:

      12:07pm | 07/12/10

      Way to make a fool of yourself, lol.

    • Marty says:

      06:26am | 07/12/10

      All I can say is it’s about bloody time! This is a sensible decision that will let adults have access to adult content while protecting children from it.
      Can you talk to Stephen Conroy about his stupid internet filter?

    • Patrick says:

      09:06am | 07/12/10

      But remember Marty, the interweb is totally differentz, its like a newsagent that you walk into and buy beastiality pornos, if I got my Stephen Conroy right.

      We gotta watch out for the spams and scams coming through the interweb portal, luckily Kogan was on the ball for us when our esteemed Communications Minister alerted us to this new scourge of bandwidth-wasting immorality.

      I guess we should just be thankful Stephen Conroy is an absolute expert on all things internets-related, and totally has the best interests of the whole country at heart and is completely ignoring the ACL.

      Ah crap…...

    • St. Michael says:

      06:24pm | 07/12/10

      Observation: if you’re paying for your porn on the Internet you’re doing it wrong.

    • LC says:

      01:49pm | 04/02/11

      To regain any credibility on that issue, they can’t just talk to him (he proven time and time again he’ll refuse to listen to anything those opposed to the filter have to say). They have to sack him, or at the very least, demote him to a backbench position.

    • Elphaba says:

      06:29am | 07/12/10

      I think it’s ridiculous that the only way this will get through is through the unanimous support of the State and Territory AG’s, and just one of them can stop this reform in its tracks.

      It’s outrageous.  The people have already spoken (loudly) informally, so just make it official.

    • mustela says:

      09:32am | 07/12/10

      I know what you mean - wreckers will be wreckers.

    • Elphaba says:

      10:59am | 07/12/10

      I’d even take a majority vote of the AGs - if it got defeated by a majority vote, fine - keep plugging away.  It’s the fact that only one of them has to be an attention seeking upstart who screams *sob* “Won’t someone please think of the children?!” and they’ll be able to banish it back to the start.

      I can’t even believe this needs to be debated anymore.  15 year olds can play games that are not suitable to those under the age of 18.  The average gamer is over 30.  We allow R18+ films and books, but not games.

      The naysayers need to Get.  A.  Grip.  Don’t want them?  Don’t play them.  As a parent, one will have a better chance of banning the games in one’s own house if they’re reclassified R18+.

    • Shifter says:

      04:52pm | 07/12/10

      Correct me if I’m wrong, are books even classified? Maybe I’m just a little warped (from too much time spent playing murder simulators), but there are some pretty graphic and gory things written in fiction across various genres.

      And whilst I have the thought in my head, Mills and Boon and Zombies. It sounds fricken awesome to me.

    • Chris L says:

      05:29pm | 07/12/10

      You’re right Shifter, there’s some pretty nasty books out there. One particular one I remember left me pretty horrified as a child and I think it should not be available to those under 18, yet there’s a copy of it in every hotel room.

    • Dahvood says:

      07:33pm | 07/12/10

      I believe books are, Shifter. If I remember correctly it is a 2 system thing -> general purchase, 18+ (porn etc) then you have your RC.
      So yea, it obviously isn’t as detailed as other media, but it’s there

    • Elphaba says:

      07:47pm | 07/12/10

      I know you can still only buy Bret Easton Ellis’s “American Psycho” in shrink wrap with a big warning emblazoned on the front “Restricted - 18 yrs and older” or something to that effect.

    • Jake says:

      02:29am | 08/12/10

      @Elphaba - not just a metal fan - a gamer as well? Or at least a supporter of R18 for games? *swoon*

      Although now I feel like a stalker LOL!!!

    • Elphaba says:

      06:28am | 08/12/10

      @Jake, hello!  I have to say, I’m not much of a gamer, not the newer stuff anyway, but I do like the odd video game now and then.

      I definitely support an R18+ class though.  My 25yr old brother is right into his games and some of the stuff he’s got, I would be horrified if a 15 yr old was playing them.  They’re adult games for adults, so they need to be classed as such.  It’s common sense.

    • Jake says:

      10:08am | 08/12/10

      Hello indeed! Yes, you just said the two words consistently left out of this debate - common sense.

      I respect the fact that our children need to be protected from inappopriate material, yet I am an adult and wish to view, play and read what I like. It can be achieved with appropriate classification guidelines. It’s common sense.

      Maybe if the opponents of the rating collectively banged their heads on a brick wall for a while, it would help. No? I don’t think so either , but it would be fun to watch! wink

    • Elphaba says:

      11:32am | 08/12/10

      @Jake, entertaining yes, and far more productive than whinging about that which they haven’t bothered to research… wink

      The vote will be very interesting…

    • Shifter says:

      11:38am | 08/12/10

      @Elphaba - I think I might do a tour of bookstores to see if I can find something like that on shelves. To be honest, I don’t think I’ve ever seen that in my local Dymocks, but I have seen the goriest of horror and the sleaziest of ‘romance’ novels free an available to all.

      @Jake - I think the two big things that opponents find as stumbling blocks is firstly that since you’re playing the game, the interactivity somehow heightens the impact. The second thing they fail to realise is a number of games available have been misclassified. Both great examples of common sense being washed down the drain.

    • Elphaba says:

      12:23pm | 08/12/10

      @Shifter, you can find it at Dymocks.  According to Wikipedia (which I am only quoting because I know it to be true):

      “In Australia, the book is sold shrink-wrapped and is classified “R18” under national censorship legislation. The book may not be sold to those under 18 years of age, or criminal prosecution may result. Along with other Category 1 publications, its sale is theoretically banned in the state of Queensland and it may only be purchased shrink-wrapped. In Brisbane, the novel is available to those over 18 from all public libraries and can still be ordered and purchased (shrink-wrapped) from many book stores despite this prohibition.[8]”

      As you can see, the ban is iffy with regard to QLD, but buy it from an Aussie bookstore and it will come wrapped.

    • Jake says:

      01:38pm | 08/12/10

      @Elphaba LOL agreed!!

      And as to the wonderful, if disturbing, book American Psycho - I can confirm when I purchased my copy, it was shrink wrapped and had the Restricted sticker on it. My friend in QLD could not find a physical copy anywhere.

    • Jake, he who double posts says:

      01:44pm | 08/12/10

      @Shifter - Oh mate, the goriest and sleaziest novels look like Mr Men books compared to American Psycho. Its a hard read, full on graphic violence and torture. Kids reading that would be tearing their eyes out.
      Fantastic satire of American corporate life though smile

    • Shifter says:

      05:05pm | 08/12/10

      @ Well, Everyone - Confirmed! My local Dymocks had a shrink-wrapped copy on the shelves. Kinda makes me want to buy it now.

      So there we have it. Books, novels in this case, have age restrictions. But they have to be pretty fricken full on.

      To further derail this discussion I wonder which of reading American Psycho, watching Total Recall, listening to Marilyn Manson or playing the US version of Left 4 Dead 2 would inspire me more to commit heinous acts of violence against my fellow man?

    • Elphaba says:

      06:18pm | 08/12/10

      @Shifter, oh I LOVE Total Recall!

      Marilyn Manson would drive me to commit heinous acts on myself, like cutting off my ears - but only because it’s shit, not because it’s suggestive… tongue laugh

    • Jake says:

      09:16am | 09/12/10

      @Elphaba - +1 , Marilyn Manson is a douche!

      My fave quote from Total Recall:

      “Cohagen! You got what you wanted! Let these people have air!”
      Classic Arnold !!

    • Shifter says:

      04:20pm | 10/12/10

      Total Recall definitely has the classiest neck-stabbing scene of all time. They don’t make action flicks like that anymore smile

      I used Manson as an example of where authorities have blamed a horrific event on a medium of entertainment. I also agree it’s the most likely to make me cause violence. I’m still very proud of my city for forcing him off the BDO stage.

    • Rossco says:

      06:36am | 07/12/10

      Brendan, well done, and I hope you can sway the state Attorney Generals to make the right decision. If not, I believe the federal government should pursue to remove their undemocratic powers as fast as possible. Sick of one or two people throwing a spanner in the works for common sense. If it wasnt bad enough with Michael Atkinson now it looks like a small faction of West Australian Ministers and the WA attorney general are pursuing with ignorance and stupidty at full speed.

    • David LD says:

      07:06am | 07/12/10

      Well done, Brendan.

      I’m glad to see the government take a pragmatic position on something for a change.

      Given the peculiarities of requiring unanimous support from all AsG to introduce the rating, if we get another recalcitrant on the SCAG, will your outspoken support translate into amending the 1995 Classification Act to remove the unanimity requirement?

      I know we won’t know if this is necessary until Friday afternoon, but given what you’ve said here, it seems more like a matter for the public good, and policy that almost everyone in the community supports.

      Oh, and who is expecting an email to head around the ACL member base so they can show up and vocalise their minority opposition to this in the comment later?

      I know that I’m getting popcorn ready for just such an eventuality. You’d better bring your A game, AcCoLytes, because you’re out of your league on this one.

    • Elphaba says:

      08:26am | 07/12/10

      Can someone please explain to me why we need to consult the ACL about this?  Isn’t it a secular decision being made?

      Please, someone, enlighten me…

    • David LD says:

      09:16am | 07/12/10

      @Elphaba - Technically, we don’t. They made their submission to the Classification Review and made their point clear. They have technically already had their say. It is worth noting here that all of the “research” they cite was systematically picked apart by the literature review mentioned in the article above, as well as being widely criticised for not being peer-reviewed and for deliberately distorting their findings to match a pre-conceived conclusion.

      But this would be ignoring the considerable clout, media-savvy, resources and access to key political figures that the ACL hold. Quite literally the only dissenting voices on this issue are self-appointed moral guardians like the ACL, who continue to deliberately mislead, misconstrue and misunderstand all evidence presented before them.

      Better to be fore-warned and fore-armed than to think we can ignore them entirely. I fully expect an anti-R18+ article to appear on The Punch in the next few days by either Jim Wallace or Lyle Shelton, and it will be full of all of the same tired and debunked arguments that they have always used, because they quite literally do not have anything substantive to say, other than OOOGA BOOGA BOOGA!

    • Adeptus says:

      09:28am | 07/12/10

      Elphaba - we don’t “need” to consult the ACL for ANYTHING… but they seem to like making their opinion known about all manner of things.

    • Elphaba says:

      10:01am | 07/12/10

      I could be reading sensationalist news articles, but I read somewhere that consultation on the R18+ also involved seeking recommendations by the ACL.

      I wouldn’t mind if they were actually considering the needs/wants of society - but make it all society, not just the Christians.  Why is the Christian opinon better than anyone else’s?

    • Macca says:

      07:10am | 07/12/10

      Probably the best thing I’ve read by someone from the ALP on this site.

    • James1 says:

      10:03am | 07/12/10

      Or anywhere else for that matter.

    • Simon says:

      03:16pm | 07/12/10

      Check out anything Kate Lundy has said, whether on this matter or on the proposed internet filter (which still hasn’t gone away). She’s ALP and actually makes sense, as does Scott Ludlum from The Greens.

    • Shadowsphynx says:

      07:15am | 07/12/10

      @ian m: ignorant troll is ignorant.

      Congratulations Mr O’Connor. I know you have perservered through this lengthy process with a level head, systematically gathering the evidence required to answer protests from both sides of the fence in order to reach a real conclusion based on fact rather than conjecture and cherry picking of evidence.

      As a father and gamer myself, playing an active role in this campaign for almost 2 years, I see this as not only a “win” for my team, but a proper step forward in politics and common sense.

      I commend you for letting the truth come out, rather than playing a “blame game” to justify your payroll.

    • Adam says:

      07:22am | 07/12/10

      For one thing, I’d be really disappointed if this does not go through, there has been such overwhelming support for an R18+ classification; 89,000 replies to the consoltation and more which probably couldn’t make it in, it’s going to look absolutely devastating if just a small amount of people in a back room deny everyone who contributed to Australia’s largest petition thus far. God Speed Brendan!

    • Phil Osopher says:

      07:24am | 07/12/10

      Would someone please tell me why there are more assaults now than 50 years ago?  It surely couldn’t be because of violent and vicious games, could it?

    • Bert says:

      08:16am | 07/12/10

      Do you have any evidence to back this up or are you just pulling it out of the air?

    • James says:

      08:19am | 07/12/10

      Maybe it’s due to the extinction of The Golden Toad in Costa Rica? Maybe the rise and fall of The Beatles? Maybe due to to The Vietnam war? . All as rational and stupid arguments with as much proof.

    • Chase Stevens says:

      08:21am | 07/12/10

      In reality the crime rate has dropped, there is however ‘better’ reporting of violence which leads to the perception there is more - not less - violent crime.

    • Trjn says:

      08:22am | 07/12/10

      To quote a related study: “In Australia, studies have shown a substantial proportion of the population incorrectly believe crime rates are increasing when, in fact, they are stable or declining (Weatherburn & Indermaur 2004)”

      http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/current series/tandi/381-400/tandi396.aspx

      Violent crime is just being reported more, especially in the media. If anything, we should be praising games for decreasing violence in society, except that would go against everyone’s pre-conceived notions and would show just as poor an understanding of correlation and causation as you appear to have shown.

    • Jacob says:

      08:22am | 07/12/10

      Alcohol

    • TimB says:

      08:33am | 07/12/10

      Maybe it’s because of increased carbon dioxide emissions.

      Correlation = Causation after all.

    • Fred says:

      08:34am | 07/12/10

      Well for one thing, you don’t know that there are more, it’s just that with communicating made so easy these days, it’s a lot easier to hear about it, even when it doesn’t happen in your neck of the woods

    • Danny B says:

      08:36am | 07/12/10

      Take a look at the statistics, Phil.  Violence has dropped - but the reporting of it in media has risen.  Thus, it looks like there’s more violence.

      It’s not an illusion, it just looks like one smile

    • Matt says:

      08:44am | 07/12/10

      Hhmmmm, could that be because the population is a lot larger then 50 years ago? hhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmm….

    • Elphaba says:

      08:50am | 07/12/10

      Phil, maybe it’s because there are more people, because of ratbag parents, or maybe it’s because of 24hr news and internet in every home and you’re just hearing about more assaults in all corners of the world.

      I’d go with door number 3.  It’s perception, not reality.

    • Angus says:

      09:13am | 07/12/10

      No.  More to do with poor parenting, lack of adequate supervision, discipline and guidance of children, leading to lack of respect for others and society at large.  Combine that with increasing abuse of alcohol and drugs.

      You go and look at the louts assaulting and glassing people around the place on a Saturday night and try telling me it’s because they played video games and not that it’s because they’ve drunk more than they can handle or because they’re high on drugs or because they weren’t taught any kind of respect for others, society or themselves.

      If somebody is going to be spurred into real violence by playing a video game then that person would just as easily be triggered by a film, a song or a book which happens to push their button.

      If you add up the number of violent acts spurred by people reading books over the years (religious books in particular) I’d happily wager everything I own that the number is vastly higher than the number of violent acts linked to videogames.

    • James1 says:

      09:36am | 07/12/10

      There are way more people than there were 50 years ago.  As the numbers of people rise, so do the number of assaults.  Please note though, that the prevalence of assault has not actually increased.

    • maybe says:

      10:12am | 07/12/10

      *face palm*

    • porkchop says:

      01:47pm | 07/12/10

      because there are more people, phil.

    • Roja says:

      07:24pm | 07/12/10

      Crime is down across the board, but violent crimes are on the way up.  Particularly late night alcohol related violence - apparently red bull / amphetamine + alcohol may have something to do with it.  Underfunded mental health services pumping people back into society may be another.

    • LC says:

      02:08pm | 04/02/11

      Phil Osopher, would you please show us:
      - Your source for the rise in violence
      - The peer-reviewed study which shows the rise in violence is a direct consequence of violence in video games
      - And for good measure, that evidence these rates of violence are higher in countries with the equivalent of an r18 rating for video games and here.

      If you can’t, simply admit you pulled that claim out of your arse and all will be forgiven.

    • Jacob says:

      07:43am | 07/12/10

      *Sniff sniff* That almost brought a tear to my eye. *sniff*

    • Nick says:

      07:47am | 07/12/10

      Atkinson is gone. SA has a new AG and he seems open to the idea.

    • Chase Stevens says:

      09:44am | 07/12/10

      @Rossco - I already avoid WA.

    • LC says:

      02:11pm | 04/02/11

      @ Rossco

      Or better yet, how about all gamers move to WA before the next state election and vote those backwards fools out?

    • MarK says:

      08:15am | 07/12/10

      Good luck with it. Eminently sensible article.Eminently sensible approach.

      My wife works in a gaming store currently. She is amazed at the lack of knowledge by parents as to the content of certain games. This will help sort the wheat from the chaff, give ease of reference to parents and actually increase the number of games available to be sold in Australia.

      Go get them tiger.

      PS Cataclysm street date is broken. Available for sale right now. Obviously servers will not be up until 7pm Sydney time but you can go get it and load it up (if you didn’t get the digital download).

    • Simonious says:

      12:01pm | 07/12/10

      I like your point about parents not being aware of certain game content, As a gamer of 40+ years of age my kids dont get the chance to pull the wool over my eyes with games. Upon recently visiting a mates house I saw his son playing Grand Theft Auto. I made a comment about the nature of the game and should he be letting 12 year old play it. His response was well its only got an MA 15+ rating because of the swearing in it and he thought it was OK for him to play. When i advised him his son could visit a strip club in the game and have a girl perform a lap dance for him and that he could take close up snap shots of the performance for later viewing he just looked dumbfounded. Needless to say GTA is not played by his son anymore.

    • Rossco says:

      08:18am | 07/12/10

      Phil Osopher, perhaps because they are being reported more? But look at the crime rate in the US (a country which has an adult rating for video games), it has actually dropped since the early 90’s - when violent video games were coming into prominence. So there is no concrete connection there.

      It is foolhardy at best to tie increases to violent video games or even media in general to violence in society. As Brendan O’Connor explained above, there has no been no substantial evidence that violent video games makes society violent. It is only the ignorant and foolish that tie the two together with diligence.

    • Zeta says:

      08:28am | 07/12/10

      Can you imagine the bizarro world Australia where the Labor Party puts its faith in the hands of normal, reasonable people like Brendan O’Connor instead of psychopathic egoists and trogs like Julia Gillard, Stephen Conroy and Kevin Rudd?

      So Brendan O’Connor tackles the R18+ issue by staying nice and quite, calling for submissions to a review, orders some analytical literature done, released it, probably got himself a little polling done in there for good measure - then he gets all the information, make an informed decision, and comes out in support of it.

      Stephen Conroy tackles the Internet Filter by making a decision, smashing everyone over the head with rhetoric if they don’t like it, ordering a series of studies that he’ll keep secret, yelling about pedophiles, intimidating the industry responsible for implementing his plan, and the finally, when he realises no one likes it, then he gets real quite. Like a sullen church mouse.

      Look obviously, I’m never going to vote Labor. I like my politics the way I like my martinis - dry, with the promise of sado-masochistic sex when the lights go out, so obviously I’m a Torie man through and through.

      But when the rest of Australia decides they want to vote Labor, I’m glad there are bros like Brendan O’Connor around making sense, and not being stupid. Which is really all you can ask of anyone.

      I tip my hat to you sir.

    • TimB says:

      08:46am | 07/12/10

      Well said Zeta. Throw Mark Bishop into the mix with that Bizzaro Labor party too. They actually start to look quite sane then.

    • Rossco says:

      08:47am | 07/12/10

      Brendan O’Connor for Prime Minister for 2013, Kate Lundy as his deputy. Sacking Conroy, Rudd and Gillard. That would be a dream come true.

    • Elphaba says:

      08:56am | 07/12/10

      @Rossco, now there’s a Labor govt I’d consider voting for…

    • Markus says:

      09:16am | 07/12/10

      I’d add Stephen Smith to that list. He was effective and understated in his role as Foreign Minister (unlike the blowhard Rudd), and there do not appear to have been any catastrophic incidents while he has been in charge of Defence either.

    • Adeptus says:

      09:33am | 07/12/10

      @Rossco: With that lineup, I’d put Labour first rather than second-last…

    • LC says:

      11:02am | 16/05/11

      PM O’Connor. Has a nice ring to it.

      Pull the proverbial knife out one last time, sack JuLIAR, CONroy and KRudd, tell the ACL to stick their rubbish where the sun doesn’t shine (or in their humble opinion, where the sun shines out of), scrap the Carbon Tax (or bring it down to $2-5/tonne), scrap the web snooping plans, scrap the mandatory filtering scheme and introduce a bill of rights.

      My vote will be yours smile

    • Lauren says:

      08:32am | 07/12/10

      @ Phil O… no, it’s the violent movies.

    • Ned says:

      08:48am | 07/12/10

      It seems a little silly having the requirement of every state and territory A.G having to be in agreeance. Why not a majority vote? Or because it’s something that affects the whole country, make it a federal decision?

      Anyway I tip my hat to Brendan O’Connor for researching and approaching the topic sensibly.

    • Dirk Flinthart says:

      08:54am | 07/12/10

      Hang on. There’s something fishy here. Unless I misread this piece, someone claiming to be an actual minister in the actual government is supposed to have read and absorbed real public opinions, and wants to act in support of them.

      That’s not right. Government doesn’t work that way, does it? I thought that the government determined what we should think and say and do, and then went out and commissioned research to show us why.

      I’m really not comfortable with this kind of behaviour, and I’m extremely suspicious. I mean yes, sure, an R18+ category is a fantastic idea. But… WHO ARE YOU REALLY AND WHAT DO YOU WANT? WHERE IS THE REAL BRENDAN O’CONNOR?

      You’re not fooling ME, you alien infiltrator scum. And as soon as I manage to find a BFG and a few powerups, I’m going to come and hunt you down singlehanded… as long as my health bar stays green.

    • Rossco says:

      09:17am | 07/12/10

      lol put on your special sunglasses ala “They Live” and you will see that Brendan O’Connor is the only politician that isnt an alien invader.

    • TimB says:

      09:20am | 07/12/10

      Don’t worry Dirk: <IDDQD> and <IDKFA>.

      You should be good to go now.

      Just make absolutley sure it actually is an alien infiltrator, we don’t want you disintergrating one of the few competent people Labor has got.

    • John Banks says:

      09:18am | 07/12/10

      Sensible approach Brendan. As a videogames researcher and a father of 5 year old children, I applaud this approach. I play and enjoy adult videogames that I really don’t want my kids playing. This approach balances my rights as an adult gamer with protecting kids by providing parents with clear ratings guidelines. It is precisely because the research about relationship between playing videogames and what we might call violent behavior is so uncertain and contested that this is such a sensible and evidence based approach. I hope the state AGs recognise the sense of this and support it.

    • John Banks says:

      09:19am | 07/12/10

      Sensible approach Brendan. As a videogames researcher and a father of 5 year old children, I applaud this approach. I play and enjoy adult videogames that I really don’t want my kids playing. This approach balances my rights as an adult gamer with protecting kids by providing parents with clear ratings guidelines. It is precisely because the research about relationship between playing videogames and what we might call violent behavior is so uncertain and contested that this is such a sensible and evidence based approach. I hope the state AGs recognise the sense of this and support it.

    • John Banks says:

      09:20am | 07/12/10

      Sensible approach Brendan. As a videogames researcher and a father of 5 year old children, I applaud this approach. I play and enjoy adult videogames that I really don’t want my kids playing. This approach balances my rights as an adult gamer with protecting kids by providing parents with clear ratings guidelines. It is precisely because the research about relationship between playing videogames and what we might call violent behavior is so uncertain and contested that this is such a sensible and evidence based approach. I hope the state AGs recognise the sense of this and support it.

    • James1 says:

      10:20am | 07/12/10

      “As a videogames researcher…” 

      That is the best job ever.  Do you do a bit of beer testing on the side?

    • Mat says:

      10:09am | 07/12/10

      Brendan, if the government is now concerned wth the strength of the local game development industry, will this mean we may see tax breaks - likes of those available to the film industry - made available to games developers? Australia just lost one of it’s biggest publishing/development houses, Krome Studios, because it became too expensive for overseas publishers to have their games developed here. Krome ultimately lost out to cheaper development costs available in other countries. If video game development is to grow in this country, its going to need a leg up from the government.

    • Andy says:

      11:23am | 07/12/10

      Agreed. The Film Industry has had a leg up from the Government, and games are arguably more lucrative. Studios have folded in this country, and if we want to cover all areas of media and entertainment, Videogame company start ups should be encouraged.

    • Talon says:

      03:51pm | 07/12/10

      And the adult film industry gets TWO legs up ... how is that fair !!!

    • Kevin H says:

      10:41am | 07/12/10

      Well done, can’t wait until it is implemented.

    • Ben C says:

      10:58am | 07/12/10

      Brendan, did I just read correctly? That you’ve gone out and requested submissions, you’ve taken the time to investigate the contents, and you’ve come to a conclusion based on what has been submitted to you? That your decision is what the majority of people want?

      Very heartening to see that there are some Labor ministers that don’t follow the Stephen Conroy school of policy development.

    • Elphaba says:

      11:36am | 07/12/10

      I know, I’m shocked as well…

    • Lee says:

      01:56pm | 07/12/10

      almost restores your faith in democracy…..

    • Gladys says:

      11:00am | 07/12/10

      20 years? Try 100. It started with movies at the turn of the last century.

    • Chris says:

      11:12am | 07/12/10

      Brendan, I personally stand on the other side of politics from you but I, and many young people on my side, support you in your creation of an R18+ classification of video games

    • Gazza says:

      11:55am | 07/12/10

      2 questions
      Will this stop kids playing R18+ games ?
      Will it stop them down loading R18+ game illegally ?

      My guess is no to both.

      Then why bother at this stage R18+ game are not allowed in Australia the new law would allow them in. The current law does stop one of the 2 questions above.

      This law will just mean that there are more games in the country that are violent, it not a good result for the country or children

    • TimB says:

      12:07pm | 07/12/10

      No it doesn’t. It just means they get imported from overseas.

      Or they get shoehorned into the MA15+ rating even though they deserve R18+.

      Please educate yourself on this debate properly.

    • michael j says:

      12:21pm | 07/12/10

      Will it stop them downloading,i don’t think so?
      maybe a whooping filter on the net might
      but these games now are proberly
      more suited to training SAS to hone their skills
      some of the stuff should not be allowed in at all
      i have seen plenty of violence in real life
      and accidence
      but when i see kids playing some of these games
      i shake my head,it sure anit’ pac-man,,,,,,

    • David LD says:

      12:33pm | 07/12/10

      2 questions.
      Do current laws stop underage drinking?
      Do current laws stop underage smoking?

      My guess is no to both.

      Then why bother allowing the sale and consumption of these items in Australia. The current law does not stop one of the two questions above.

      The current law just means that there are more alcoholic beverages and cigarettes in the country that are not a good result for the country or its children.

      /See how easy that was?
      //Get a handle on the facts surrounding this issue, or you just come off sounding ignorant.
      /// The R18+ rating is about providing parents and caregivers with suitable information on the content contained within modern video games so that they can make a more informed decision on whether or not they want that content in their house.

    • Elphaba says:

      12:43pm | 07/12/10

      Gazza - those games are already here.  They’re just classified incorrectly. 

      A quick web search showed me that currently about 23 games that have been banned in Australia because of objectionable content. Only 23.  A further 11 have had their bans overturned and a re-class to MA15+ without editing of the game.

      Now, if you’re advocating the ban of MA15+ games, go for it.  Advocate away.  But a lack of R18+ class means that many parents (like the one Simonious mentioned above) are not educated about what at MA15+ game really is, and thus bury their heads in the sand and let their children play them.

      Now, of course, you can’t stop kids playing R-rated games.  Just like you can’t stop them drinking booze and smoking cigarettes The difference is a 15 year old cannot legally buy booze or cigarettes.  It’s not a perfect system and it is exploited, but it’s the best we have.  With these games, they are free to take their money and buy the game without their parents permission.  It creates a much worse problem - government sanctioned lack of parental control.  That’s what doing nothing is creating.

      As to your second question, piracy would probably decrease.  Adult gamers are very loyal consumers and most would be willing to pay for the game legally rather than download it illegally.  In fact, some gamers will not resort to the illegal download route, instead choosing the games to be imported via OS relatives.  Sure, the odd game might get downloaded, but just like kids looking at the net unsupervised, isn’t that a problem for the parents to control, not the government? Who is allowing their children free reign to surf the ‘net?  Idiots! What about personal responsibility?  Besides, if illegal downloads are your problem, that’s more of an issue for Conroy.

      Hope this had helped your understanding of the issue.

    • Elphaba says:

      12:51pm | 07/12/10

      @Gazza, an adendum to my previous post:

      It’s also worth noting that just because an R18+ class may come into effect in Australia, does not necessarily mean that all media will be approved no matter what.

      RC will still apply if the classification board believes the content is not suitable for any of the classification codes.

    • Skitt says:

      01:14pm | 07/12/10

      @ Gazza an R18+ rating CAN actually stop children playing those games, it just requires some work (and 5 mins on google) by the parents. All new games consoles come with parental locks which can be set to restrict certain game classifications. Its as easy as googling the console manufacture and reading an FAQ. The second step would be to ask the parents of your childrens friends if they’ve done this. If they haven’t ask them why not. SIMPLE now your child is less likely to play an R18+ game.

      R18+ would also help parents make informed choices about game purchases as well, which would again help keep those games out of childrens hands

    • Lee says:

      02:00pm | 07/12/10

      Please actually read up on the subject- currently some games in the MA15+ bracket ARE NOT SUITABLE FOR CHILDREN, yet the OFLC has classified it as MA15+. An R18+ Classification would classify games already on shelves correctly. The argument of games will get more violent is uneducated and has been rehashed one too many times.

    • Shifter says:

      06:30pm | 07/12/10

      @michael j - Although it’s off topic, ‘a whooping filter on the net’ will not stop people downloading. Your tone seems to support a filter so to clarify, Conroy’s proposal it is not a filter for the internet, it is a filter for web browser traffic, a which is a subset of all data transferred on the net.

      Most of this other data transferred, the non-web browser traffic, is where most of the ‘illegal’* data transfer occurs This data transfer may include things such as music, movies, tv shows, and software of various licensing state, and would also account for nearly all of the dreaded child pornography shared.

      Note that none of the aforementioned will be stopped by Conroy’s proposal. Children and adults with the nous will still be able to obtain this data regardless of a filter being in place.

      This is a basic summary of th reality of Conroy’s proposal so I encourage you to educate yourself more on the issue. I am truly against the proposal for two reasons, firstly I believe in net neutrality, and secondly the proposal will not accomplish it’s purpose and therefore is a waste of money.

      *What Conroy is spruiking to the media as ‘illegal’ also includes refused classification material, which whilst illegal to sell in Australia is not illegal to possess. This includes material that could be classed as educational material for certain moral debates such as the right to euthanasia.

      Back to the R18+ debate, carry on now.

    • Mark Duval says:

      12:49pm | 07/12/10

      This is fantastic news. It’s good to see some common sense from the government. Well done.

    • Tobes says:

      01:43pm | 07/12/10

      Brendan, thank you for backing a well researched and rational case as to why Australia should introduce a R18+ rating for games, as a great many other countries have. Bravissimo!

    • Frank says:

      01:59pm | 07/12/10

      An excellent article.

      If only all government decisions and policies were this well researched and considered (I’m looking at you and your internet filter, Conroy!)

    • porkchop says:

      02:05pm | 07/12/10

      let’s not start congratulating the govt just yet everyone. O’conner is riding a wave of inevitability. A couple of months ago on Q&A he didn’t have a clue about this subject nor the filter. It’s a populist stance he’s taking. Hello? 80 to 90% positive response to all polls on the games subject. How brave do you have to be to come out and champion that cause? if it falls over because of WA O’conner still walks away looking like a hero. It’s s no-risk stance, not a brave sensible position taken under duress. Besides, the rest of cabinet would have had to have signed off on this position. Sorry to be cynical, but it’s the gamer crowd and the enthusiasts that persisted with this and got it to where it sensibly is.

    • TimB says:

      03:21pm | 07/12/10

      Sure it sounds cynical when you put it like that raspberry.

      Even allowing for that, I’ll still give him props for at least listening to the people on the issue. And he’s clearly gone and done his homework on the issue since.

      It’s a nice contrast to the “We know what’s best for you whether you like it or not” approach of Conroy and his ilk.

    • MarK says:

      03:50pm | 07/12/10

      No one really minds when the government comes to it senses.

      I am the first to smack them when they get it wrong, and yes, there was a lot of petitions and letters and agitation to get them to see the light but give the man his due - he has come up with sensible policy in an area that is lacking at the moment. It isn’t rocket surgery and sometimes the simplest solutions are the best. Looks like we converted him so let us see where this goes. It appears Brendan is giving it more than lip service and has listened.

    • Syl says:

      09:39am | 08/12/10

      Uh Porkchop,  isn’t it a pollies job to take the populist option, you know, the one the people want?  He didnt know much about it a couple of months ago, so he researched it, polled on it and came up with the opinion that the overwhelming majority of Australians agree with.  I don’t understand how doing his job makes him a coward.

      Its nice to see a polly (a Labor one at that) actually listening to the Australian people and not telling them what they need or should be exposed to.

      I cant believe Im defending a Labor polly from the current government….

    • Clancy of Sydney says:

      02:59pm | 07/12/10

      But how to you take account for in game menu options that can change gore levels etc etc? Games are often made with such options - basically means the rating of the game can be changed by the users discretion. And game mods or patches that children can download and change the rating of the game?

    • Elphaba says:

      04:24pm | 07/12/10

      I’m sure that when it comes to classifying games they will be taking into account the highest settings the game can go to.  As for mods and patches, once again, why must the adult public be punished because of stupid parents not supervising their kids?

      Honestly, people breed and then hold the rest of the population to ransom.  It stinks.

    • jane wallace says:

      05:43pm | 07/12/10

      only kids over 18 years old play computer games.
      take this website for example

    • Louisa says:

      08:41pm | 07/12/10

      Pity parents cannot be classified….. especially those who vote for Labor.

    • just graham says:

      10:43pm | 07/12/10

      Brendan’s ok. If the others we elected , both State and Federal went to the people they promised, (love that word), to represent, and acted on the wishes of the electorate we wouldn’t be in the crapper we now inhabit. Today adults buy alcohol, cigarettes, and drugs for children, and the adults are not being prosecuted. Schoolies, ( and many, many other kids), are being pulled up for drunkeness and cigarette possession and the police don’t spend time investigating where those products came from. Unless all the suppliers are risking their licences at the point of sale they are being sold to adults and passed on to kids. Why? because the parents don’t have the courage to risk alienating their children by saying, “NO!” I wish you luck Brendan, because I think your intentions are honorable, but you’re going nowhere without the help of the parents. Sadly, they are too busy with other things. Too many of them just can’t be bothered. It’s easier to simply say, “For goodness sake just do what you want to do. Just leave me alone”.
      But hey!, remember the poem, ” The Trees in the Forest are Dying”? It’s all about the abdication of parental responsibilty. We really shouldn’t need the O’Connors of this world, (or any other politician), making legislative decisions about how we raise our kids. Sadly, we do. We are not prepared to do that which we apathetically allow Governments to do. Think. When was the last time any of you out there said, “No! It’s not going to happen. I’m your guardian, and I love you. And I don’t really want to contribute to your downfall. No!”  Sad, isn’t it.
      Nevertheless Brendan, I wish you well. You really do stand out in the crowd. But that’s not hard today, is it. Politically speaking.

    • notSue says:

      10:56pm | 07/12/10

      Late late late.. but yay! Add me to the chorus of how jolly sensible, ol’ bean!  What a clever little pollie. Someone give him a cracker.

    • Aaron says:

      11:11pm | 07/12/10

      Brendan, I may be extremely unlikely to vote for you, but articles and positions like this one give me good reason to reconsider.  I am over 30, play games regularly, and see the R18+ rating as a way to get games out of the hands of kids that shouldn’t have them, rather than getting games that are currently banned in.  Keep up this kind of view brendan and you will win votes.

 

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