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Why Sex and the City is better for girls than Twilight

Tory Maguire

by Tory Maguire

19 May 05:55am

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Saturation marketing might have alerted you to the fact the new Sex and the City movie is nearly on our shores, and I bet there’s a whole load of teenage girls either begging their mothers to take them to see it or planning on going with their friends anyway.

You might think they’d be better off skipping the sexually-charged antics of Samantha and co and instead heading to the latest installment in the chaste Twilight saga.

After all, Twilight is all about saving yourself for marriage, getting off on holding hands, and personal sacrifice. But as role models for young women go, I’d pick Carrie and her friends over Bella any day.

Last night the major cinema sites were still listing the classification of both films as TBA, but the last Sex and the City movie was rated MA, while the last Twilight film was an M. Both of the new films are in cinemas in the first couple of days of June.

Here’s why teenage girls will get more out of the racier, more grown up, story.

Friends

SATC
Carrie, Samantha, Miranda and Charlotte are friends. Friends who pick each other up off the floor, toast each other success and every now and again fight and make up. They rarely let other commitments get in the way of their friendships and they’d do anything for each other.

Twilight
Bella doesn’t really do girlfriends, unless she needs someone to cover for her while she sneaks off with her boyfriend. Her only friend in the series is a poor boy called Jacob, who’s desperately in love with her, who she uses and abuses mercilessly while carrying on with his rival Edward.

Relationships

SATC
They don’t all work out happily ever after, as the women in SATC have often demonstrated. Their relationships with men, however, are mostly on an equal footing and they rarely allow themselves to get pushed around.

Twilight
For a modern teenage girl Bella would do better in the era of Jane Austen. What she finds romantic, most sensible people would find manipulative and controlling. She relied on the men in her life to protect her, and her heart flutters when her 17-year-old boyfriend says things like “I forbid it.”

Success

SATC

All the women in SATC are educated and have successful careers.

Twilight

Bella views school as a necessary evil, which at least allows her time to gaze longingly at her boyfriend during chem class. When he bribes her way into an Ivy League school she’s not the least bit interested. Instead she wants to stay home all day gazing longingly at her boyfriend/husband.

Body image

SATC

Carrie and her friends have the normal amount of self doubt (well except for Samantha), but are generally confident about themselves and their bodies.

Twilight

Bella thinks she’s ugly and stupid and can’t believe a handsome boy would look at her twice. In fact she never shuts up about how she doesn’t feel worthy of Edward’s attention and the only way she ends up feeling confident, beautiful and strong is when she finally becomes a vampire, which is not an option for most teenage girls.

There might be a few moments during Sex and the City that you’d want to cover the eyes of the 14-year-old girl sitting next to you, but I’d want to cover their ears every time Bella opens her mouth.

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    • Eric says:

      06:11am | 19/05/10

      It’s good to see concern for the messages absorbed from media by young girls.

      I wonder why there is so little concern for the messages absorbed by young boys (except where the messages impact some feminist cause)?

      Does the constant depiction of men as evil, incompetent, or weak have any effect?

      Reply

    • Samson says:

      08:51am | 19/05/10

      Name one movie ever made that had more evil, incompetent and weak male characters than it had good, competent and strong male characters.

    • dancan says:

      09:03am | 19/05/10

      Eric do you ever stop complaining while playing the “oh woe is me I have a penis” line?

      Perhaps it’s time you seriously thought about getting a sex change if you think being a guy is that bad.

    • Eric says:

      09:07am | 19/05/10

      The Simpsons (cartoon series definitely, I haven’t seen the movie).

      Main characters: Homer - the epitome of stupid and slovenly husband. Marge - competent and caring wife. Bart - dumb troublemaker son. Lisa - genius girl.

      But it isn’t just a matter of negative versus positive male characters. You have to count the negative/positive ratio for both males and females, and compare them.

      Then there are qualitative issues. If a woman hits a man in a movie, it’s usually either funny or good. If a man hits a woman in a movie, it’s almost always bad.

      Many, many articles have been devoted to analysing negative portrayals of women in the media. Yet there is largely silence concerning negative portrayals of men.

    • DG says:

      09:08am | 19/05/10

      Mr Bean!

    • Macon Paine says:

      09:22am | 19/05/10

      @ Samson
      Romper Stomper
      Reservoir Dogs
      There’s 2 examples and there are a lot, lot more as well

    • Lazy Jesus says:

      09:32am | 19/05/10

      Samson - Switchblade Sisters. Faster Pussycat, Kill, Kill! Savage Streets. Big Bird Cage. Big Doll House. Beneath The Valley Of The Ultra Vixens. Up. Vixen. The list is endless. I can name many, many more if you wish.

    • Macon Paine says:

      09:35am | 19/05/10

      @ Eric
      C’mon Eric stop whinging and man up.
      The Simpsons is a comedy series. Infact some of the characters are loosely based on the creator Matt Groening’s family.
      You said “If a woman hits a man in a movie, it’s usually either funny or good”
      So do you want to see more women hitting men in movies in a situation which is neither funny nor good?
      “If a man hits a woman in a movie, it’s almost always bad.”
      Why shouldn’t it be. Hitting a woman is bad. How can a man hitting a woman be funny?

    • KH says:

      09:54am | 19/05/10

      The Simpsons - Marge? housewife whose sense of identity is threatened if she has to leave the house?  Maggie - doesn’t speak at all? Mrs Krabapple - lonely older woman portrayed as a desperado who steals school canteen lunch trays? Patty and Selma - two heavy smoking older and obviously ugly sisters in law? One of whom is a lesbian because as we know you must be if you are single and older?  Marges crabby mother?  Homer’s criminal mother? Lisa might be clever but every time she sets out to achieve something it nearly always ends badly - recycling plant, military school, her future wedding, mensa…....  Every senior position in the town is a man - the mayor, the police chief, the doctor, the big company owner/main employer…...And as those of us who are real fans know, the ‘Simpson Gene’ is on the Y chromosome…......but it doesn’t seemed to have hurt Homer has it? He might be dumb and make stupid decisions, but he has a nice house, a nice family, a wife, and apparently the ability to earn money and keep his job/go into space/change careers on a whim/travel all over the world despite severe incompetence, whilst women like Krabapple are ‘losers’ even though they are just as inept.  Do you even watch this show?

    • Elphaba says:

      10:02am | 19/05/10

      Homer works hard and loves his kids.

      He just a guy who dreams big but has to live in the real world, where sometimes, your job is not always stimulating, and your responsibilities are not always welcomed.

      He makes the best of a sometimes bad situation, but at the end of the day, his family is everything to him.

      He’s an excellent character.  Anyoe who can’t seperate the good, human points about Homer and the comic relief designed to entertain, needs their head examined.

      Honestly Eric, you’re so paranoid.  Do you wear a tinfoil hat when you blog here?  How about being the change you want to see in the world?  The more you bludgeon people with your supposed truth, the more they’re going to close their ears.  You sounds like one of those homeless people who yell at people at the bus stop.

      Anyone who incessantly rags on another, regardless of gender, race, sexual orientation - it’s pathetic.  How can we possibly be bothered to listen when your vitriol conjures a cranky bloke in a stained dressing gown beating the keyboard and frothing at the mouth?

      We shouldn’t idiolise characters in TV/movies.  They don’t have to live in the real world - they live in a constructed one.  Stop expecting the answers to being a good person to come from your screen.

      And lighten up!

    • BK says:

      10:15am | 19/05/10

      Samson, you are even wierder than Eric. All current affairs programs, soapies and crime programs feature men as villians, women as victims. Most soapies have a boofhead bloke offending his nice wife and spending the rest of the episode sucking up (because she has the real power in the relationship). Even hospital shows have whiny male patients and more likable female patients.

    • bec says:

      10:17am | 19/05/10

      Funny you should say that, Elphaba, because whenever I read his words, I just hear Grandpa Simpson’s voice.

      “Dear Advertisers, I am disgusted with the way old people are depicted on television. We are not all vibrant, fun loving sex maniacs. Many of us are bitter, resentful individuals who remember the good old days when entertainment was bland and inoffensive. The following is a list of words I never want to hear on television again. Number one: bra. Number two: horny. Number three: family jewels.”

    • Elphaba says:

      10:21am | 19/05/10

      Well said Bec. 

      I love Abe’s letter to the President.

      “Dear Mr President.  There are too many states nowadays.  Please elminate three.  I am not a crackpot!”

      Hehehehe

    • Cereal monogamy says:

      10:25am | 19/05/10

      Eric
      The bredth and depth of male characters in the media far outweighs that of females.

      Any analysis of comparative stats would therefore be useless.

    • Kit.e says:

      10:28am | 19/05/10

      To Macon Paine, YES! I would definitely like to see more movies where women hit men and it’s SERIOUS. This stupid stereotype that it’s okay for a woman to hit a man but a man can’t lay a hand on a woman is perpetuated by the media. I don’t find violence and assault against anyone all that funny really.
      I find it just as serious watching a woman slap a man in the face as I would to see a man slap a woman. But apparently it’s “okay” if you’re a woman. Explain that to me.
      And Eric, I may be one of the few women that will agree with you here. More and more movies that are specifically aimed at women (read: “chick flicks”) usually depict men as sexual deviants, assholes and commitment-phobes until a wonderful woman comes into his life to tame him. What message are we telling women there? Better yet, what are we showing men about how women view them?

    • Samson says:

      10:29am | 19/05/10

      Oh wow that was heaps, touche.  I was thinking more of mainstream blockbuster-style movies though, as that was the theme of the article, so I don’t think lazy jesus’ suggestions count.  And pretty much everyone in Romperstomper and Resevoir Dogs is evil, yet most of the men are shown as competent and strong, so maybe they’re debatable.  Any movies similar to Twilight & SATC?

      Also the Simpsons was a poor example, every character on that show is portrayed as competent and incompetent at various times.

    • Lauren says:

      10:31am | 19/05/10

      Eric,

      Lisa Simpson may be smart and a high achiever, but she is possibly the most depressed and oppressed character of them all. She is lonely, underrated, picked on and not appreciated (being stalked by Milhouse isn’t a good thing!!) And she is bloody annoying!

      All Simpson characters are flawed and don’t have an easy life, not just the male Simpsons.

    • Jenna says:

      12:09pm | 19/05/10

      I believe that would be an accurate description of 98% of the male population.

    • wk says:

      01:57pm | 19/05/10

      Dancan - thank you for saying what many of us have been thinking for a long time.
      On the simpsons (as a tragic fan) there are plenty successful male characters throughout the series, and plenty of episodes where marge & lisa get it wrong.
      Not to mention that homer is regarded everywhere as the most popular character!!
      Seriously Eric, get a grip!! And have a look into getting that sex change.

    • Peter says:

      02:04pm | 19/05/10

      @ Lauren, who’s oppressing Lisa? She has a doting (but very stupid dad), she gets picked for all the honours in her school, she a member of Menza at the age of 8, and been selected to represent springfield in all manner of events.. So who is oppressing Lisa? Im sick of these lies being passed around by feminists… Some guy beat up his wife 500 years ago and we are still being accussed of these things…  Im surprised that woman on TV last night that murdered her kids wasn’t being passed around as an oppressed woman who had to kill her kids for her freedom (they were just male kids after all).. Im surprised feminists didn’t use that line on us…

    • Tane says:

      06:52pm | 20/05/10

      Well, Eric, I guess you see what happens when you ask for equality. I agree with you that there’s precious few positive male role models in most media who are competent, confident, and not evil. Sitcoms and soaps are the worst, with male roles inevitably being either the clueless loser, the whipped partner, or the easily dispatched villain (but OK, these shows are aimed at women so maybe you expect that).

      @ Kit.e - I agree. That’s one of my biggest gripes with media - that virtually any sort of abuse from physical assault to sexual harassment to scamming or otherwise ripping someone off is seen as funny or deserved if it’s a woman doing it to a man.

    • S&TC; - WOOHOO! says:

      07:02am | 19/05/10

      I TOTALLY agree & am SUPER excited about the new movie (gushing moment)... except when I saw that Miley was in it. What a shame. Hopefully I can cover my eyes in that part…

      Reply

    • Nicole says:

      01:36pm | 19/05/10

      Well she has proved to society that she’s a woman, by giving her manager a lap dance!! Because that’s is how you prove yourself to society :S (in a sarcastic and confused state and tone) Questionable!!

    • Bec says:

      07:25am | 19/05/10

      And yet, some of us can hate both of them! Much as I hate simpering Bella, I dislike the rapacious consumption and commercialism of SATC. Being tied down by credit card debt has never struck me as one of the core tenets of feminism.

      Bring back TV shows with interesting and flawed female characters, like Daria and Buffy. Teenage girls don’t deserve the crap that’s been spoonfed to them over the past five years.

      Reply

    • DG says:

      09:13am | 19/05/10

      Daria is awesome.

      I’d never considered Daria as a ‘role model’, but as you raise it she’s pretty much perfect. Independent and intelligent, she’s dependable and has loyal friends, she feels no need to play the popularity games and is generally a friendly, well balanced character.

    • Elphaba says:

      09:29am | 19/05/10

      Bec, have you been watching Dollhouse?

      If you don’t have pay TV, go out and buy the DVD.  F*cking awesome.  Best Joss Whedon series by far!

    • bec says:

      10:15am | 19/05/10

      Alas, Dollhouse I never really could get into. Weird, given that I think Eliza Dushku is super-cool and Faith was probably the best character in the Buffyverse.

      Firefly/Serenity, however, is just face-kickingly cool and has the best characters, both male and female. Also, misogynists meet justice in the form of Nathan freakin’ Fillion and his mighty fists of power. That guy is just tres chouette.

    • Elphaba says:

      10:24am | 19/05/10

      I struggled with Firefly.

      Topher is Dollhouse though, is possibly the best character Joss ever created.

      I do have a soft spot for Spike though. wink

    • D says:

      10:32am | 19/05/10

      Bec - do you watch Castle? He is awesome in that, so so funny

    • Kate says:

      11:17am | 19/05/10

      Daria was fantastic, and Jane’s a pretty good role model too.

      As for Trent, I don’t care if it’s weird to consider animated characters spunks, because he is one.

    • A Bob says:

      12:51pm | 19/05/10

      I want to marry a girl like Daria when I grow up. (47 and still waiting.)

    • bec says:

      03:44pm | 19/05/10

      Kate, every single young gen-x or old gen-y female has had a crush on Trent Lane. Bone hard medical fact.

    • bella starkey says:

      04:34pm | 19/05/10

      bec is correct

    • KH says:

      07:59am | 19/05/10

      I don’t like either of them. They are both rubbish.  Give me Iron Man 2 any day.
      In all seriousness, if I ever became any of these women, it means I have had some kind of serious brain injury, or a lobotomy.

      Reply

    • BK says:

      08:01am | 19/05/10

      Personally, I prefer people with a bit of self-doubt to arrogant people. The characters of SATC are the most self-obsessed, over-confident people ever to pollute our tv screens.

      Our society is so obsessed with inflating the self-esteem of women that we have lost track of the idea of having a realistic self-concept. It is in everyone’s interests to end this. Over-confidence sets people up for failure and discourages self-improvement.

      Reply

    • Sherekahn says:

      09:54am | 19/05/10

      By that I assume you mean “the AD-men”.  It is business and advertising plus, women will often play along, disregarding the effects it has on their sex.

    • BK says:

      10:31am | 19/05/10

      It goes much further than the advertising industry. Women are expected to be much more sensitive of their friends’ feelings than men. When Tory judged the SATC friends, the only criteria that she used was how supportive they are. Shouldn’t there be other criteria? These friends are so busy giving affirmation that they never provide anything else. There is no real analysis of men’s behaviour. There is no useful advice about the wisdom of being seen as a slut in the most densely populated area on earth. There certainly is no concern for the effects of these women’s action on others.

      It isn’t in women’s interests to socialise them to be expected to offer unconditional support to others. It must be annoying to get in trouble for making comments that any man could get away with saying. Learning about men and love is unbelievably painful for many women, because they are fed a range of garbage, supposedly for their own protection.

      When feminism started, one of their initial aims was stopping paternalism, where women were thought to need protecting. Whatever happened to that aim?

    • A Bob says:

      08:39am | 19/05/10

      The character of Bella reflects the views of its Mormon author. The girls of SATC reflect the materialistic religion of theirs. Both are nauseating and offensive in their own way.

      My 15 year old daughter despises both of them. I am glad.

      Reply

    • Smidgeling says:

      11:31am | 19/05/10

      Best comment so far. Two thumbs up.

    • Kara says:

      12:01pm | 19/05/10

      I have to say that i’m in this boat (now).
      use to love the twilight books, i havent touched them since those foul movies came out.
      i have no interest in SATC, they are overly materialistic that and the fact that they were brand new when i was a small child.

    • Rover says:

      08:41am | 19/05/10

      Bec, you should try Dollhouse on FOX8. Another Joss Weedon show with equally strong, complex, flawed female and male characters.

      Reply

    • Elphaba says:

      09:30am | 19/05/10

      I just wrote a reply to her about this before seeing this post.  Dollhouse is brilliant!

    • MH says:

      09:53am | 19/05/10

      I love Dollhouse! I don’t have cable but I bought the first season when I was in Vietnam last year, perfect copies and totally awesome, can’t wait for season 2 to come out, might have to hop up to Saigon for a long weekend to do my dvd shopping

    • Elphaba says:

      10:25am | 19/05/10

      @ MH, 1 ep to go on FOX8 this week and then Dollhouse 2 is finished.  It will blow your mind!

    • Cereal monogamy says:

      10:33am | 19/05/10

      I just finished watching season 2 and I think it might be the last. Just when the story was getting really good and starting to make some sense.

    • Rover says:

      10:42am | 19/05/10

      I spent last night catching up on series 2 ahead of Thursday night’s finale. Much easier to keep up with what’s going on when you watch a few at once.
      Damages is another fantastic show packed with strong, flawed, intriguing female characters.

    • MH says:

      11:49am | 19/05/10

      Elphaba - Awesome! now I just have to wait for it to either come out on DVD here or go to Vietnam to get a cheapie one.

    • A Bob says:

      12:50pm | 19/05/10

      Love the work of Whedon, season 6 of BVTS is my personal favourite. Loved Firely, too.

      Got season 1 of Dollhouse off Amazon UK as soon as it came out. It was strangled by Fox producers early on but improved by the end. I haven’t check if season 2 is out on DVD for a while now, should take look. Season 2 will be last according to recent reports. It’s a very difficult premise to build upon so I’m not entirely suprised.

    • Cereal monogamy says:

      08:49am | 19/05/10

      This is kind of like asking whether cocaine is better than heroin.

      Neither movie is good for women/girls.

      SATC concerns itself with materialism. The ‘women’ constantly obsess over men and how much money the men make. There are many examples of a guy being introduced by reference to his occupation and whether the girls thought he was worthy of them even though all of them were into their 40s by the time the series ended.

      Carrie spent the entire show chasing after Mr Big. Cheating with him on other boyfriends. He cheated on wives/girlfriends with her. This concoction of drama is not an appropriate portrayal of relationships.

      Somehow Carrie earns enough money to live in Manhattan and spend $40,000 on shoes (this was the subject of one episode) yet all she does is write s fluff piece for some rag. This is not believable.

      Miranda and co all obsessed over dating lawyers and bankers who had to be hot before finally giving up because they were never good enough for the alpha males and had to battle themselves and agonise over whether they could settle for second best (even though one of them was a bald, fat lawyer).

      Twilight does have it’s problems too. But I have only seen reviews of it. And they don’t add much to what you’ve already said, Tory.

      Women should give up on the fantasy and look to reality when it comes ot relationships. Yes, reality is boring but it’s all we’ve got.

      Reply

    • GB says:

      09:58am | 19/05/10

      “Women should give up on the fantasy and look to reality when it comes ot relationships” ???

      Hellooooo, which world do you live in ... FHM, Ralph, Beauty and the Geek, Paris Hilton, The Kardashians ... need I go on? The “reality” is that most men have no idea what reality is!

      Let us have our SATC moments, just 120minutes of fantasy and shoes and glamour, because we KNOW what the reality is and we live it. Now back of boys ....

    • Cereal monogamy says:

      10:22am | 19/05/10

      Sorry GB, but head into any pub, bar, club, gym, workplace anywhere and it’s full of Carrie Bradshaw wannabes. It would be depressing if I was interested in dating any of them. When I’ve seen 4s (female) reject 7s (male) because they didn’t like his haircut it speaks volumes about the society we live in.

      Most of your examples were of the female fantasy variety - especially the Kardashians/Paris Hilton - vapid vain little girls sponging off daddy’s money and 15 minutes of fame to create some sort of lifestyle.

      FHM and Ralph are just for visual purposes. Pretty mediocre visual purposes if you ask me.

    • Kit.e says:

      10:38am | 19/05/10

      Haha, the “reality”?!
      So there are no women in the world who concern themselves with material things? No one EVER cheats while married/in a relationship? No one ever makes a crapload of dough just from “being famous”? No strong woman has ever had a power struggle when it comes to dating strong men?
      Your argument is totally pointless and small minded. “Everyone should just lead boring lives so shows like this wouldn’t exist”.
      You clearly lived a pretty sheltered life. I feel a little sorry for you.

    • Dr. W says:

      10:43am | 19/05/10

      @GB: Well, go on then. Enlighten us about what reality is.

      Complete waste of comment to say someone is wrong and leave out the explanation on why.

      Everyone can do that if they want, posting a comment and saying someone is wrong.

    • Asha says:

      11:07am | 19/05/10

      Geez for someone who sounds like she despies SATC you sure know a lot about the series & rather a lot of episodes!!!

    • RH says:

      11:30am | 19/05/10

      I think you should watch the series again, and may be again and again to understand that you did not understand it at the first place: you actually contradict yourself in this post a number of times.
      (a) men characters are being introduced together with their profession not only to provide the background but also to show that profession/money has little to do with love/marriage and realtionship. Example? - how about Miranda and Steve? She is succesfull lawyer, he starts as a bar attender, ends up as a co-owner of the bar with… Miranda’s moral help and support. By the way they are married.
      (b) looks do not matter that much either - you call Charlette’s husband ‘bald, fat lawyer’ - may I remind you about her previous husband - Roy - who was handsome and rich… and she left him.
      (c) Samantha leaves younger partner - actor with booming career, and before that another rich guy…

      I can go on and on to give you examples: they are not searching for the alfa male: rich, handsome, flawless, etc… man - they are searching for a partner in life whom they can respect and trust to; they also search for who they (girls) are - and yes, it TAKES time - hence they are in their 40-s - what is this with the arrogance towards the age?! Do you think once someone is 40 - the life is over? Too bad - your reality is indeed boring… Hope you will find the fun one day. Cheers

    • D says:

      11:48am | 19/05/10

      RH - just a small correction, Charlottes first husband was Trey and that marriage proved a lot about how opposites attract, they are my absolute favourite couple on the show. And I wouldn’t call Harry fat either

    • D says:

      12:05pm | 19/05/10

      amendment - sorry ran my points together, I meant the marriage of Harry and Charlotte, not Trey, didn’t like him at all.

    • Cereal monogamy says:

      01:42pm | 19/05/10

      Asha - we are all allowed our guilty pleasures. That and The Vampire Diaries (not for any story content but simply the eyecandy).

      RH - you couldn’t be more wrong.
      Easy examples (and I can’t be bothered drawing your attention to more)
      1. Miranda rejected a guy that worked as a mascot for a sandwich store because [in Carrie’s voiceover] “how could she go out with a sandwich?” - this is despite the fact that Miranda was physically attracted to him (he was 10 years younger than her, at least).
      2. In another episode a man was introduced as an investment banker when all he did was ask someone to apologise for bumping into one of the girls at a restaurant. He hadn’t introduced himself or told them anything about himself. It was Carrie’s voiceover that said “and then this investment banker” blah blah. The rest of the episode was “this investment banker” and going out with him because he was a polite investment banker. I wonder what the outcome would have been if he was a taxi driver, or cleaner, or janitor, or factory worker. Wouldn’t have gotten a look in.
      3. Charlotte’s marriage to Trey - all about looks, image and money (for Charlotte). Her knight in shining armour. Had Trey been a poor dumpy janitor there would not have been a chance in hell any relationship would have ensued.
      Then her relationship to Harry started slow because she didn’t find him physically attractive. Cue jokes and questions about his shortness, Jewishness, baldness etc

    • D says:

      03:28pm | 19/05/10

      Cereal - True Blood is good for eye candy and some really raunchy sex scenes

    • Brian Griffin says:

      08:55am | 19/05/10

      So, its a movie about three hookers and their mother?

      Reply

    • Macca says:

      09:10am | 19/05/10

      Win

    • Greek Snake says:

      11:20am | 19/05/10

      Gold.

      I have seen a couple episodes of SATC while the girlfriend was attached to the screen. I must admit, it makes for some funny stuff. I don’t think anyone takes it as seriously as the author above does. This show comes rated at MA 15+ which means girls wouldn’t be the target audience. Good thing that because it borders softcore porn a lot of the time. It is funny though, in no way should it be taken seriously though. You don’t mean to tell me people aspire to being like these crazy women do they?

      I must admit though, it was a great moment when Big stood her up at the wedding. I felt that no matter how strong these women think they are, how confident they might be or how independent they are meant to be, it is still so simple to shatter them. Very funny to watch.

      Parents should keep their kids away from both. Or if they can’t, inform them that BOTH shows are complete fantasy.

    • Billy Bob says:

      11:27am | 19/05/10

      Kudos!  LOL!  If Bella and Carrie had a fight who would win?

    • Bon says:

      11:55am | 19/05/10

      Carrie would win, Bella would just stand there acting all helpless until Edward turned up to save her.

    • Gavin says:

      11:25am | 20/05/10

      The Cougar-tart would claw Fawn’s eyes out.

    • JJJ says:

      09:10am | 19/05/10

      It’s a MOVIE, people. These aren’t ACTUALLY people/characters that we can aspire to be. Movies are a method of escaping real life. It frusrates me when people think movies should be realistic and set-out good role-models. Bah. Superman isn’t realistic - I don’t see men everywhere complaining that it’s a bad movie because it’s unattainable. James Bond - another example for the men. It’s ENTERTAINMENT and entertains because it’s unrealistic and fabulous. If children/young adults aren’t being taught the purpose of movies, then of course they are going to think it’s real life (I blame reality TV for that)... but it’s really just a chance for us to leave our mundane lives and live vicariously through another character’s eyes for a few hours. Neither examples Tory has given provide good role-models or ideals for how to live our lives, but I am sure they both provide a great escapism and are entertaining… their purpose.

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    • Elphaba says:

      09:35am | 19/05/10

      Well said Tory however there is one point:

      Their relationships with men, however, are mostly on an equal footing and they rarely allow themselves to get pushed around.

      I’d say the downer example to this was Carrie continually going back for more helpings of Mr Big.  The man said he was unavailable.  The man acted unavailable.  Deal with it, Carrie.  Shoulda married Aidan.

      Bad.

      Otherwise, yes, I’ll be going to see it.  The series was hilarious, and I loved the clothes.  Lots of fun.  I’m not looking for a deep an meaningful lesson from it.

      Twilight just irritates me.  If I wanted to watch angsty teenagers doing angsty things, I’d build a time machine and go back to high school.

      grin

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    • Rover says:

      10:47am | 19/05/10

      And to that I would add that Tory also says:

      *Carrie and her friends have the normal amount of self doubt (well except for Samantha), but are generally confident about themselves and their bodies.*

      Except that in the movie, they all stopped and stared in horror because Samantha had developed a tummy. She had put on 3kg and her girlfriends were horrified and didn’t know what to say.

      To me that was a really glaringly awful scene which epitomised how shallow the movie was compared with the series.

    • Elphaba says:

      11:25am | 19/05/10

      That’s an excellent point, Rover.

      The did quickly cover it with the lame line ‘You’d look beautiful no matter what size you are”, but it’s true - a barely imperceptible weight gain and they were in shock.  That was rather disappointing.  I would nevetr have even noticed!

      For me, I’ve come this far so I might as well see the 2nd one.  My favourite character was always Charlotte - a woman who learned from her past mistakes and realised that her prince could come in the most unassuming of disguises.

    • Luke says:

      09:49am | 19/05/10

      Honestly… does anyone think people are reading too much into things here?
      Like
      At what point did a movie have a responsibility of raising ones children and “having a good impact” on them?
      If your worried about any impact any movie has on your kids…  why not
      BE THIER FRIEND…
      Watch the movie as well and TALK TO THEM ABOUT IT….
      It doesnt MATTER who is on the screen if you have that relationship with them…

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    • A Bob says:

      01:07pm | 19/05/10

      Absolutely. I enjoy watching movies with my kids (15 and 19) and trashing them in the car on the way home. Before my daughter turned 15 she would take me to MA15+ shows. It was a good deal. She got into the cinema and I had a hand to hold so that I didn’t frightened. I must admint, watching all the Texas Chainsaw movies with her was pretty hilarious; almost as much fun as Power Rangers but not as scary.

    • Bon says:

      09:55am | 19/05/10

      I love SATC.  Although I noticed (recently, after watching the entire series together) that increasingly SATC became more and more focused on the clothes and brand names (Carrie often wears clothes with very conspicuous labels) and the movies especially seem to be more of a vehicle for the clothing than advancing the story.

      Twilight I am not so keen on.  I find Bella extremely irritating for all the reasons Tory explained in her post.  Although she is worse in the books than the movies.  I started reading the books but had to stop part way through the second book because I was fed up with Bella moaning about how her life was worthless without Edward blah blah blah.  I mean the book actually has several blank pages after Edward leaves to represent the nothingness that Bella feels.  That is about the point where I stopped reading.  Now I just stick to the movies - not bad for a bit of fantasy and escapism.

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    • D says:

      10:38am | 19/05/10

      What I want to know with SATC was when did wearing dresses with obvious bra strap showing come into being ‘in’? I personally don’t like the look of a low back dress with a very visable bra strap accross the middle of the back

    • Bon says:

      11:49am | 19/05/10

      I have never understood that one either.  Obvious bra strap is just not a good look.  Another one was the scene where Carrie wore socks with her stilettos and had her hair up in a high ponytail on top of her head - she looked hideous.  On the other hand, I was pleased during one episode when Carrie actually wore thongs outside on the street. There are many times when watching the series (especially the later seasons) where I have lost track of the storyline because I have been so consumed by the clothes - most of the time because I have been thinking WTF?

    • D says:

      01:15pm | 19/05/10

      YES YES YES, I love the series but sometime the clothes I just go huh? trying to work out what’s going on with that and I am sorry but did anyone really like Carrie’s wedding dress (the one she was wearing for the big one) or the bird on her head?

    • Miss Anthropist says:

      03:12pm | 19/05/10

      Yeah what’s with the bra strap thing?  Did anyone else cringe while watching the elimination challenge on Masterchef the other night where there was a shot of Fiona, and her bra strap was halfway down her arm?

    • Jen says:

      10:00am | 19/05/10

      Whilst I do agree in principal with what you are saying there were a couple of flaws in your analysis. Bella was actually in advanced classes at her school before she transfered. Part of Edwards attraction to her was that she is smart. Unfortunately her being smart did not transfer to her personal relationships. She was also disinterested in attending the Ivy League school because she thought it was a waste of money. Although the Cullens have alot of money, she was brought up with very little and couldnt see the point of wasting money on something she was not going to put to use.

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    • Zeta says:

      12:31pm | 19/05/10

      Jen… you just explained that using more words than Meyer did. I think the quote from the novel was ‘Sparkle sparkle sparkle, sparkle sparkle sparkle “skin like marbles” sparkles sparkles “eyes like sullen moons” sparkle ivy league school sparkle money sparkle’.

    • bella starkey says:

      12:42pm | 19/05/10

      you forgot at least 16 references to a “wraith”, in one sentence

    • Andrew says:

      10:10am | 19/05/10

      You have hit the nail on the head. Bella is an extremely unappealing character who, though she cares deeply who gets hurt by her desires and goals, never lets that stop her. Her emotions may often be generous, but her actions are at the end of the day deeply selfish.

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    • Dr. W says:

      10:39am | 19/05/10

      Ah yes, SATC has so much to teach women.

      Let me try to list a few things that you can learn from SATC:
      - Being vain is a good thing
      - Buying expensive things will make you happy
      - Men being promiscuous is bad
      - Women being promiscuous is empowering and a good thing

      I could list a few more things, but do I really have to? If we are going to learn something, why not from our parents and the community we live in? You know, real life. Or be really daring, learn from yourself.

      Men and especially geeks are accused of living in a fantasy world with their movies and comics. At least they know deep down that it is all made up. Most women actually think that SATC and other rubbish is real and how life should be.

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    • Clara says:

      12:50pm | 19/05/10

      Oh for God’s sake!!!!!....I bet you any money you have not seen one single episode of SATC!!!! or only seen snippets of it…put two and two together and came up with five.

      Mate….the vast majority of women have a brain and know that alot of the side line stuff such as designer labels etc is just fluff and fantasy…it’s a TV show…it’s called entertainment.  It doesn’t pretend to be a documentary nor do those viewers think they are watching one.

      But that said…the reason why the show has been one of the most successful ever made is because the storylines resonated with so many women.  It was very well written show.  The vast majority of women are not stupid…they don’t aspire for the designers labels, fancy apartments and unattainable men…it just dealt with alot of pertinent issues that alot of women could identify with.  People can see through the fluff.  They are not stupid. 

      BTW….are you secretly Eric??

      God…men like you are so predictable.

    • Lauren says:

      10:39am | 19/05/10

      SATC is nausiating in large doses, but if we had to chose a female role model that sucked the most, Bella is a lot more suckier than the SATC girls (quiet Samantha..)

      The girls in SATC are a pain in the butt a lot of the time, Carrie especially. Should’ve gone with Aiden and given up the fags. Charlotte is the only sane one of the bunch.

      Bella though is something out of this world. How a character with zero personality, supposedly no looks or wit and with a miserable scrowl generate such a cult following I don’t know. It has nothing to do with sex, or Bella’s (Edward’s? I haven’t read/seen the series) abstinence, but her completion of being just like her man. (then again, how can an author with nought writing skills be so successful?)

      Isn’t Carrie the same? Always trying to fit into Mr Big’s mould?

      Samantha is the only smart one of the bunch. Be selfish and a bitch, its the only way you’ll get through life getting what you want.

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    • Tory Maguire

      Tory Maguire says:

      10:42am | 19/05/10

      Can I just point out that I read the Twilight series and watched Sex and the City purely for research purposes. wink

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    • Peter says:

      01:58pm | 19/05/10

      @ Tory, i have watched the entire series of SATC. Even though it is funny, it is not something to aspire to. This is akin to suggesting that guys should aspire to live like Jerry Seinfeld and George Costanza.. Funny guys, but at the end of the day, losers…

      @ Lauren (the same name as my new neice) Samantha the smart one? How lonely do people want to be in their old age? If you want to be lonely, be like Samantha.

    • Simonious says:

      11:06am | 19/05/10

      If girls had to choose i would have to agree with Tory on this one but not for the same reason. SATC is about ladies living in the big apple and is while the characters are not exactly real reflections of their alter egos they are if fact a character that could exist. Bella on the other hand is running around with evil supernatural creatures that may or may not exist so it doesnt reflect a true sense of the real world. She lives in a fantasy land.

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    • Steve says:

      11:12am | 19/05/10

      I loathe both of them but of the two I definately prefer twilight. Teenagers get enough entertainment shoving sex down their throat as if promiscuity is an absolute must in today’s society. Twilight may be sappy but at least it’s showing teenagers that you can have a decent time as a teenager without bonking everything in sight. Maybe there might be a teenager or two capable of forming relationships tha last more than a year and don’t revolve around sex.
      When I was a teenager myself I had plenty of friends much like the SATC mob. These days they’re for the most part either single or on the 5th or 6th relationship - usually incapable of holding down a steady relationship for any length of time (just like the characters in SATC). The ones who were more like the twilight mob are generally a long way in to stable happy relationships - usually with families of their own. Without the messy divorces and Ex’s.

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    • Ryan says:

      11:17am | 19/05/10

      Neither, I won’t be teaching my daughter to be completely devoid of morals and values, she is not being brought up like a low class peasant so she needn’t aspire to low class peasant values.

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    • Emma says:

      11:18am | 19/05/10

      I would like to say has anyone noticed that Twilight promotes necrophilia and beastiality? One is dead and one is an animal, I do not want my daughter involved in that weird stuff. Love should be between consenting alive people. I hope that wasn’t offensive.

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    • MH says:

      12:03pm | 19/05/10

      OMG that’s taking a very literal view of it, it’s fantasy much like Buffy or hell even Dora, it’s good lighthearted entertainment.

      And who’s to say that vampires don’t exist? the first thing authors are told is to write what you know. Just saying.

      Kudos on the necrophilia and beastiality though smile

    • Billy Bob says:

      11:22am | 19/05/10

      The book was written by a woman but I heard the whole series written by gay men?  It’s a narcissistic gay man’s idea of what women should be so don’t believe the independant woman image, at the end of the day it is still written by men.  I feel terribly sorry for young women today with this as their role models.  A lot of the girls in my office are obsessed with the cloths and shoes the show inspires and they freely discuss their credit card debt it creates.  The fantasy it promotes regarding being picky about the men you choose will all lead them to becoming pennyless loveless hags riddled with STD’s.  Kudos to the three hookers and their mother quote - LOL!!!

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    • Dr Nick says:

      12:20pm | 19/05/10

      The proper term is ‘STI’ i think you will find billy bob

    • BK says:

      02:11pm | 19/05/10

      Patty or Thelma from The Simpsons described it as about an ordinary bunch of women who live like gay men.

    • Kate says:

      11:28am | 19/05/10

      I’m not a huge fan of either, but I’ll take SATC any day over Twilight.

      A similar comparison can be made between Twilight and Harry Potter. The girls in HP actually get to do stuff instead of sitting around moping about their boyfriends. Hermione and Ginny fight alongside the boys, despite still being obviously feminine characters. They are actually allowed to have character development, unlike the insipid secondary characters in Twilight who seem to turn up only to prove Bella’s alleged wonderful popularity (despite the fact that she’s an utter bitch to her friends and they’re only good enough for her when Edward isn’t around).

      Not to mention the abusive undertone in the relationship between Edward and Bella. How can Bella be a positive female heroine when she puts up with being abandoned, causing her to become near suicidal, because Edward reckons it’s “for her own good”? Excuse me? That’s like men who bash their wives “because they’re asking for it”.

      Any mother who sees their teen daughter reading Twilight should probably point out to them that while Stephenie Meyer depicts the Edward/Bella relationship as all sparkles and roses, in reality, if a man threatened your life, randomly dumped you then expected you to take him back, and consumed you so that your entire life became about him, it would be a dangerous and abusive relationship and you should dump him immediately. As someone who has been in an abusive relationship, I can confirm that it is NOT a good thing when a man starts saying he can “never live without you” and begins controlling you in an Edward Cullenesque manner.

      Saying that, I’d probably rather my kids watch Oz (the lesson: don’t commit a crime because this is what prison is like) and Dexter (don’t take the law into your own hands because you will face consequences) before I let them read the mind numbingly crap excuse for literature that is Twilight.

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    • Life On Mercury says:

      11:28am | 19/05/10

      One thing that people overlook in the Twilight books, is that the main characters are actually very selfless people who have good principles.

      For example, Bella chooses to go in live in a small town with her Dad, so that her mum can travel with her step-dad, despite the fact that she is very much a city girl. Also, it is clear in the books that she enjoys good friendships, such as Angela Webber.

      Whilst some people have argued that she “uses” Jacob, you could also argue that Jacob chose to stick around, even though she clearly told him she was in love with Edward.

      Whilst Edward can be protective of Bella, it’s usually when she wants to do something incredibly stupid (like jumping off a cliff!). It’s true that he initially wanted her to stay away from Jacob (for safety reasons), but eventually changed his mind, when he realised how happy Jacob’s friendship made her.

      I would personally rather read about decent, kind, characters who put others’ needs before their own, rather than watch four materialistic, self-centered women prance about on the screen.

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    • Pablo says:

      12:20pm | 19/05/10

      ‘Here’s why teenage girls will get more out of the racier, more grown up, story’

      I think this article is ludicrous as you are comparing two completely different films to two completely different age groups.

      Not only are the genres different, the notion that the SATC movie is appropriate for most teenagers, who as like Bella are not at the level of maturity that this film prescribes its avid followers.

      This article totally exemplifies what is wrong with societal expectations today, where 16 year old teenagers are told to ‘mature up’ with articles such as this one.

      In my opinion, if the character of Samantha existed in today’s society, she would be dead from the number of STI’s that she would have contracted living the lifestyle depicted in SATC. And we are this film to teenagers?

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    • Kate says:

      12:32pm | 19/05/10

      Actually, a lot of teenagers watch SATC and (quite sadly) a lot of older and middle-aged women read Twilight.

      It may not be what you’d consider appropriate material for teenagers - personally, I don’t consider Twilight appropriate for people with more than twelve functioning brain cells - but it’s reality.

    • Milly says:

      11:18am | 20/05/10

      ” if the character of Samantha existed in today’s society, she would be dead from the number of STI’s that she would have contracted living the lifestyle depicted in SATC. And we are this film to teenagers?”

      But, but ...Tiger Woods is still alive ??

    • pablo88 says:

      08:43am | 21/05/10

      He is also in serious therapy…...

    • Zeta says:

      12:23pm | 19/05/10

      I read a Twilight book, the last one. Since Stephanie Meyer is clearly a terrible writer, it seemed like a better idea to start with the last book, because after churning out a few hundred thousand words I assumed Breaking Dawn would be slightly better.

      Holy. Shit. It was insane. And I read some pretty insane stuff. There is shit in that book that is almost as weird as William S. Burrough’s Naked Lunch - only when Burroughs presents an asexual land based sea slug sucking heroin out of junky’s eye sockets, you kinda knew what you were getting in to. It kind of says that on the dust jacket. ‘BTW y’all, mad sea slug eye socket rapes, you’ve been warned.’

      I decided, screw reading this on a bus for a week and having witnesses to my boundless fail - I’m gonna do this the old fashioned way. Picked up a bottle of Pernod, set up a six hour long early 90s industrial dance playlist and decided to read from midnight till dawn.

      *SPOILER ALERT* Bella and Sparkles get married and ‘make mad love’  so hard they smash their bed, then everyone wants her blood baby to be aborted, Zach Giafinakis starts a new wolf pack because his bros want to kill Bella Sparkles, then her baby punches her from the inside and basically gives birth to itself Giger’s Alien style and then falls in love with Zach in a creepy pedo moment. If the expression on my face could be summed up in three letters, they would have been either WTF or WAT.

      And then there is not even really an ending. And you can’t pronounce any of the names. It’s like being in a David Lynch film. Only with vampires. And the sun doesn’t even kill them. WAT.

      I was ready to immediately watch David Bowie’s The Hunger followed by Let The Right One In to purge my brain of Breaking Dawn’s vampire fail with some awesome, but you know what? It’s not that bad. I think it’s really an epic troll by literature’s biggest troll since Oscar Wilde. It’s like Meyer built up this perfect character in Bella, who gets everything she wants only ‘oh noes, now your baby is snapping your rib cage like it’s a drumstick and pedo werewolf is totally crushing on Rensnemeneme’ ...and now you’re a vampire. Enjoy undeath Sparkles.

      I’ve never watched a full episode of Sex and the City. But I wonder if I burned through a few seasons under similar circumstances if I’d feel the same?

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    • Scott Glennon says:

      12:43pm | 19/05/10

      I was aroused by both.

    • D says:

      01:21pm | 19/05/10

      umm - Jacob actually not Zach but I like

    • bec says:

      03:43pm | 19/05/10

      If David Lynch directed the final Twilight movie, I would die of happiness, because that could be the *only* way I could rationalise how weird it is.

      Also, they should hire Laura Dern. Just cos.

    • Zeta says:

      04:14pm | 19/05/10

      @ bec - I can just picture it in my head. David Lynch reclines on a high backed chair and smokes a cigarette while explaining his vision to French journalists: “You see, it’s the story of a girl in trouble. Her love for Edward is really a metaphor for hers, and all women’s need, to be a Holywood starlet. And so she’s drawn into this… world. And things happen.” He takes a drag on his Gauloise. “I liked filming INLAND EMPIRE on digital so much that this time, I decided to take it a step further. We sourced several dozen decade old Nokia 7650s from Russia and filmed the entire movie in 0.3 megapixels.” Cut to a clip from the film. Bella, played by Justin Theroux in a dress, dances slowly around a tree with a white horse to the steady throbbing of banging on pipes. “I am the storm. And you are the diamond. Can you get the door? Can you get the door? Can you get the door?” Fade to black. Rousing applause at Cannes.

    • bec says:

      05:20pm | 19/05/10

      I would pay any amount of paper money to see that movie. If you can somehow integrate Isabella Rosselini and Laura Elena Harring making out, then by all means I think I want to go there.

    • Sam says:

      12:28pm | 19/05/10

      You don’t think that it’s a bit creepy that a man (although dead) who has lived for hundreds of years is obsessed with having a relationship with a simpering little girl?  Seriously what the hell do they talk about?

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    • Zeta says:

      12:39pm | 19/05/10

      Sparkles.

    • Sam says:

      12:52pm | 19/05/10

      Yeah i heard the vampires are made of diamonds wtf is that about? Although after reading your post on the end book i guess it kind of fits now.

    • Kate says:

      01:35pm | 19/05/10

      Yes! I’m pretty sure everyone, once they reach the age of about 18, realises that high school girls are annoying. You’ve experienced life, been alive for about two hundred years, and of all the women in the world you have to pick a self-absorbed whiny teenage brat? Seriously?

    • Markus says:

      04:15pm | 19/05/10

      Maybe now that he is several hundred years old, perspectively speaking all women seem like highschool girls to him, so he should at least go for the hot young one.
      Then again, this still doesn’t explain Bella (oh snap!)

    • Peter says:

      01:02pm | 19/05/10

      I wonder is they’ll still be doing SATC episodes when the girls are in their 80’s.. I mean, Samantha is not that far away.. If females took a step back and really looked, they’d realise Samantha’s story is a very sad one indeed.. And Carrie is not that far behind either.. A person who puts shoes ahead of security.. What’s the world coming to?

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    • Christine says:

      01:08pm | 19/05/10

      I love both Twilight and Sex and The City and there is no way i would let a young girl watch SATC due to the amount of language, sex and materialism on display. Carrie has a massive shopping problem which leads to her needing to borrow money off a friend to pay the deposit to buy her apartment, she has cheated on her boyfriend and marries a man that originally left at the alter. Charlotte thinks everything is a fairytale and when reality kicks in she can’t handle it and has a mini-break down. Miranda is a workaholic that spends more time at the office than with her son and is emotionally inept then you have Samantha who will open her legs to anyone that walks past (man or woman) so i find it insulting that anyone should even suggest these woman should be treated as role models. Plus it is a little stupid to compare woman in their 40’s to a teenager!!!

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    • Bella says:

      01:51pm | 19/05/10

      OMG!  They’re both, like, movies… you know, like, fictional and stuff.
      So get over it ... or whatever. 
      SATC - fun
      Twilight - depressing. 
      I bet half the women here are similar to the ‘Bella’ character.  Morbid, whiny and self hating.
      There was one upside to her, she is very attractive!

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    • kelly says:

      01:59pm | 19/05/10

      complex, interesting, flawed but likeable, heroic yet sometimes floundering….the epitome of a great female character died when Buffy finished up.

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    • Sarah says:

      02:53pm | 19/05/10

      Movies and books are fiction. I see nothing wrong with someone indulging in fantasy every now and then.
      If girls are looking up to Bella or any of the SATC girls as role models, it simply means they have bad parents. Not only are their parents not good enough to be role models themselves, they make no effort to explain to why these fictional characters are not good role models.
      Honestly, if I had a son who’s role model was Harry Potter, I’d shoot myself. I loved the HP books, but Harry was the most irritaiting, disobedient, foolish character ever.
      Similarly I love the twilight books. I hate Bella though.
      I’ve never put myself through the torture of SATC. I’ve seen ads, that’s bad enough.

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    • Fed up says:

      06:27pm | 19/05/10

      Why have a young woman let alone a teenager watch a movie about aged women in their 40’s and 50’s with their excessive shopping, hormone replacement , marriage conflict and loneliness problems?? I don’t think they’d want it. I didn’t when I was a young woman. As for teenagers it is clearly an inappropriate movie and I would not allow teenagers to see it. They have time for that when they hit their 40’s….trust me!

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    • ThanksFeminists says:

      11:52pm | 19/05/10

      we can be as advanced in every way imaginable, but we can’t ignore the fact that women will always be different from men. biochemically, it is not in our preprogrammed bodies to equal men. thanks feminism, for making me still the child bearing sex, housewife and to top it all off a full time employee,... I would much rather sleep in, do my hair and make up, and wait for my darling husband to bring home the ‘bacon’.. bliss!

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    • bec says:

      07:04am | 20/05/10

      Hint: your words do more to undermine the actual work that women who work in the home do than us feminists ever could. I know housewives who homeschool their seven kids who’d probably kick your ass for making it sound like all they do is sit around eating bon-bons. None of those women spend any time doing their hair and nails, btw: they’re too busy *actually* contributing to their families and community.

    • You're Welcome says:

      11:36am | 20/05/10

      There are biological difference between men and women, but those differences should not be used as a justification to oppress one half of the human race. Hence feminism. I may be female but I’m also a human being. And one that doesn’t fit into your neat, cliched little schema of how life should be. I don’t do men for a start.

      I can tell you’re a bloke by the way. Nice try. wink

    • Bella says:

      11:03am | 20/05/10

      All you seem to do with your posts, bec, is slam people, whether they be male or female. 
      Where’s Eric?  I like his comments.

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    • Cate says:

      12:24pm | 17/11/11

      My Husband and I are of an older generation and believe this is one of the most fascinationg and well put together series we have seen come from the USA/Canadian area since “Northern Exposure”. We would love to see it continue as a series for a very long time.  We happened upon it by chance. We are just as excited to see the new releases when they are on DVD.
      The acting, makeup, special effects and character building is absolutely fascinating.  I get excited when the programme is on.  Fortunately they repeated the series and we were both able to catch on with the string.  It is going to be a timeless piece of film art, and has the ability to go on for many years to come.
      Congratulations to all those involved.  This programme is not rubbish bubble gum, it is intelligent film making.
      I can’t comment of Sex in the City, as I have never watched it and it didn’t at all appeal to me.
      Female friends aren’t that special for a female and v.v. for a male It is quality rather than gender and quantity.  From what I hear of Sex in the City, it is also fantasy as is Twilight yet it is the edge of difference and creativity that puts it above the other I believe.

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