There are several theories about Kevin Rudd’s alleged popularity. One is that it is simple nostalgia - made possible because memories of what his government was really like have faded and because voters themselves were never that concerned with internal problems anyway.

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Some say it is the ``anyone-but-Julia’’ factor - she is not him which by definition makes him an attractive alternative.

Still another theory has it that while his popularity appears a mile wide, it is only an inch deep and could evaporate rather quickly with a return to prime-time exposure. But there is no denying it is there at present. The question is why?

What is it about this socially awkward character who rubs people up the wrong way in person, works well on television?

How is it that a man who talks as if he swallowed a public service manual - hook, line and key performance indicator - is seen as a communicator.

Somehow he has managed to connect with voters more effectively than either Julia Gillard with her authentic suburban twang or straight-talking Tony whose bluntness is legendary.

It is for this reason and this reason alone, that those flimsy types over at Team Labor are considering re-installing him to the same job they deemed him unfit to hold less than two years ago.

Even by his own admission, nothing fundamental has changed beyond a few vague undertakings to delegate more and try packing less into each day - the latter assertion rendered instantly hollow by the fact that it came in a hastily organised television interview at eleven o’clock on a Saturday night.

Yet this ``changed man’’ stuff, and the chance of popularity is about all he has.

As one MP noted, ``humble Kevin’’ is about as believable as cold fusion, or for that matter his claim that there is no challenge ``in prospect’’ because we have a prime minister and he is happy being foreign minister.

Ms Gillard’s cryptic ``government had lost its way’’ explanation was woefully inadequate, but it was demonstrably true as far as it went.

The motivation for a change this time is nowhere near as clear.

The pretender is offering no different policies and has no new perspective that we know of on any key issue.

He would not scrap or even modify Ms Gillard’s chief political albatross, (behind Rudd himself that is) the carbon price. Neither would he alter the mining tax.

In both cases, he would simply bank the money and all the hard work done to progress them, and run.

He would happily take any political credit flowing from the generous carbon price compensation package negotiated with much rigour by Ms Gillard.

Ditto for her truncated mining tax - the very same reef on to which his leadership so willfully sailed in 2010.

And he would leave unresolved the running sore of border protection too.

Those who argue he is a superior salesman might like to first explain the PR debacle that was mining tax MK I.

The fact that Kevin 2.0 offers so little beyond a temporary marketing advantage, but has developed such locomotive force 18 months out from an election says much about the true state of the contemporary ALP.

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    • Erick says:

      04:48am | 22/02/12

      Kevin is only popular relative to Julia - in much the same way as cholera is more popular than smallpox.

      If he becomes PM again, he will briefly boost the ALP’s polling, but in a few months, or even weeks, his personality will assert itself and his popularity will plummet just as it was doing prior to his assassination.

      Rudd never was a great communicator. He just happened to be Opposition Leader at a time when the Australian people were getting bored with Howard, and looking for a change.

    • Tim says:

      06:53am | 22/02/12

      So how do you explain Abbotts massive unpopularity then?

      If Julia is so on the nose, then why does Abbott do so poorly?

    • Erick says:

      07:33am | 22/02/12

      @Tim - They are two different people. The popularity of one does not necessarily affect the popularity of the other.

      Though it should be noted that Tony Abbott is currently more popular than Julia Gillard. His ratings are right up there with bubonic plague.

    • Martin says:

      07:45am | 22/02/12

      @Tim

      I dunno what it is, but “there’s something about Tony”. I’m not particularly fond of The Mad Monk, but at the moment he’s looking like George Clooney compared to Gillard and Rudd !

      I recall John Howard came across as a cold fish and had the same problem connecting with the people early on in his political career. While Labour is busily throwing itself off the cliff ‘Lemming’ style, the Lib’s PR machine need to be reinventing Tony into something likeable, or at least palatable, for popular consumption.

    • Tim says:

      07:57am | 22/02/12

      Erick,
      You say Rudd is only popular relative to Julia.

      Well Abbott is neck and neck in relative popularity to Julia.

      I can’t understand if Julia is so bad, why is Abbott not significantly more popular in PPM polls?

    • Ajax says:

      08:30am | 22/02/12

      Have you considered it might not be people wanting a change ,it’s possibly more like not wanting to put on wet socks

    • acotrel says:

      08:51am | 22/02/12

      @Tim & Eric
      The truth obviously depends on who is telling the story ?

    • AdamC says:

      08:54am | 22/02/12

      Spot on, Erick. To the extent he is, Kevin Rudd is only popular because he isn’t Julia Gillard. He was just as widely disliked when he was PM as Gillard is now.

      Tim, I wonder if the psychiatric profession will have to start diagnosing people like you with ‘Tony Abbott Obsession Sydrome’? I know he’s an engaging guy, but the extent of some people’s fixation on him is unwarranted. Admit it, Tim, you have a poster of Abbott in his budgie smugglers on your bedroom wall, don’t you?

    • Mike says:

      09:00am | 22/02/12

      I believe Abbotts unpopularity is due to the debate Australians are having with themselves. On one hand, welfare, free lunches and centrelink handouts are popular. Who wants to work hard when the government could just pay you to live? On the other side, people are facing up to the reality that if we want iPhones, holidays, plasma TVs, 3 cars per household, then we have to work hard and free handouts are just a way for the lazy to steal fom the poor.

      The distinction in Australia before and after the Howard era is stark. We became less unionised, more global and yes, we are even richer. Those that have succeeded do not want to be pulled down/held back by those they perceive as lazy or incompetent. Those who have not, wish to see a return to the good days of the welfare state, where the government provided things and cheaply.

      So I believe that’s why australians voted for no clear majority this time round. We don’t know who we actually want to be. Global players or sideline benchwarmers.

    • farkurnell says:

      09:10am | 22/02/12

      The return of the Rudstar,I dont think so.
      Labor would be on a death wish.
      Three PM’s in three years would be suicide.At least with Jules the’re got a bit of chance come next election. No need to panic just yet.Wait till the polls get to single digit

    • gobsmack says:

      09:12am | 22/02/12

      @Martin
      Howard turned it around when he adopted that look that gave the impression he was permanently constipated.  It fooled people into believing that he didn’t really enjoy being in power.

    • james says:

      09:13am | 22/02/12

      Howard was just as hated but won 4 elections.
      Anything is possible.
      The PM has to hope for a war or something to unite the populace behind her.
      Actually the Iran situation could work out nicely for her.

    • Naomi Hills says:

      09:32am | 22/02/12

      This looks like a personality battle between the PM Julia Gillard, and Kevin Rudd, with nothing left for the Australia population to grasp in such turbulent times.

    • Rosie says:

      10:58am | 22/02/12

      Gosh, here we go, all trying to dissect the other culprit’s personality! The people were fooled by this ‘still waters run deep’ of a man. The problem with academics they sometimes over think. It is simple, Rudd works hard on being popular even to the extent of being filmed leaving Sunday church services, ( loved by the older folks ) dropping the ‘F bomb’ ( loved by today’s generation ) etc etc! Everything he does, he is out to please those that matter to sustain a high profile, therefore not caring and being totally abrupt with those under his authority.

      Julia Gillard on the other hand is a ‘try to please everyone’ kind of a woman but ends up pleasing no one. It should explain the ‘fake/real Julia’ episode, her dishonesty, her boldness to declare to the people that she didn’t believe in God etc. Her dishonesty has put her in a spot where she has to keep up the act to remain in power for as long as she can. A pity Julia under good guidance and a bit of patience she would have made a good Labor PM. Instead she allowed the faceless men to knife Rudd and step right into the shoes of someone that the people were beginning to realize wasn’t the man they thought he was. Today, we have to endure the chaos created by the ambitions of these two and the thuggery of Labor’s power brokers.

      Tony Abbott hasn’t been the PM and until the people agree and is exposed to them as PM should we then voice our opinions whether he will make a good PM or not. Scrutinizing him now only adds to the confusion and honestly I am not prepared to face another minority govt. Any majority govt is what is needed for everyone to get out of the deep hole created by these Labor whatever!

    • L. says:

      11:04am | 22/02/12

      “Howard was just as hated but won 4 elections”

      He was, but there are two differences:

      A.. he was hated by less people.

      B.. He and Costello were somewhat competent.

    • john says:

      11:20am | 22/02/12

      @james “The PM has to hope for a war or something to unite the populace behind her.”

      “Howard was just as hated but won 4 elections.
      Anything is possible.”

      That’s how Howard won, remember 9/11 scare and terrorist boogeyman 11 years ago?  He could strike anywhere any-time - the ultimate scare campaign & the mantra how much to keep us safe.

      Julia can win the next election with a new terrorist threat :

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CV7CTlIcKlw

      We don’t have enough drones to protect us from this threat & you can blame the greens for protecting them :

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPC_Mp0Y9WM&feature=related


      This is serious.

    • Tim says:

      11:27am | 22/02/12

      Adam C,
      I don’t really care about Abbott all that much.
      I liked him when he was a minister under Howard because he had principles and stuck by them.
      This seems to have gone a bit by the wayside as he’s become more of a populist, changing his opinion too often for my liking.

      It’s a genuine question I’ve got, I simply don’t understand how or why Tony Abbott can be so unpopular when Julia Gillard is pretty much universally disliked.

      If people like Kevin Rudd because he’s not Julia, then why isn’t the same true of Abbott?

    • Stephen T says:

      05:02pm | 22/02/12

      @ Tim: Easy to explain, Rudds not holding Gillard to account Abbott is.  It’s easy to be look good when all do is preen and plump yourself up for the media, and for the record I don’t really believe that Rudd has done that good of a job as foreign minister.

    • TimB says:

      05:13am | 22/02/12

      Like it did in the Kevin07 days, this one mystifies me. He’s not ‘cool’. He is not ‘hip’. He is a fake and more image than substance. Big on talk and short on action.  Even if voters were fooled 4 years ago, I thought they should uirely be able to see through him now….

      Which means I can only think of three things that account for his current apparent popularity:

      - The anti-Gillard factor. Much of the electorate was becoming increasingly disillusioned with Rudd in June 2010. Then Gillard stabbed him. Now Gillard is positively despised. This has translated somewhat to a sympathy vite for Rudd.

      - Queenslanders. Much of his popularity base comes from the sunshine state. Home ground advantage I guess.

      -  Schoolkids. Much of the footage of Kevin being mobbed invariably contains a crowd of star-struck pre-pubescent non-voters. He’s famous. That’s it. They’d mob anyone who was famous IMO. Easilly influenced and their views don’t count for crap untill they turn 18.

      Now all of these groupd contribute to give Rudd a good showing in 10 second meedia grabs, but would it translate to widespread electoral support if he re-took the top job? I don’t know.
      Only the first point on my list is likely to be a main driver for the current opinion polls, as those numbers have him up against Gillard.

      But if he were to replace Gillard, then without drastic policy change, most of the widespread anger the electorate feels towards the ALP as a whole will still remain. I predict a small temporary boost in the polls that woiuld quickly be eroded as Rudd’s style over substance method of governing comes to the fore again.

    • Jacket says:

      06:53am | 22/02/12

      Well analysed TimB. I think his popularity is overestimated. I deal with many Queenslanders and he is not widely popular at all, as you say possibly ‘preferred’ rather than ‘liked’ in the Gillard context.
      There is little doubt he is excessively egotistical, devious, manipulative and a social oddball. Some might feel sorry for him but few actually like him. Surely Australia can find better options.

    • TimB says:

      06:59am | 22/02/12

      Wow look at all the typos there. Le cringe.

      *surely, vote, until, media, would…

      I think that’s the lot of them. This will teach me for trying to post whilst rushing to get ready for work…

    • GB says:

      08:41am | 22/02/12

      As a Queenslander, my take on this is that there really isn’t any great love for him at all up here. I think the main issue is parochialism. Queenslanders didn’t like the fact that one of their own got knifed. Simple as that. Personally, I think he is a vile egomaniac and a poser without any substance whatsoever. He also has plenty of skeletons in his closet. Other than personalities, there really isn’t much difference between he and Gillard. Slice it and dice it anyway you like but they still have the same shit policies. It’s the entire Labor brand that’s tarnished as we’re seeing in state elections all around the country. The party has been hijacked by special interest groups, be it Unions or Left Wing minorities, whose wants and needs are put well and truly above the rank and file members in terms of priority. Using the Gillard and Rudd diversionary tactic is just a convenient excuse for the factional powerbrokers to continue on their merry way, destroying what was once a great party.

    • fairsfair says:

      09:05am | 22/02/12

      LOL at le cringe.

      I was suckered in in 07 (voted for Swan *shudder*) but I can’t see it now. Well said TimB except for the Queensland thing. Most people around me think he is an asshat.

      Like some people have been saying, I think Labor need to just cut their losses. Put Crean in charge, call an election in 12 months time and then after they lose that (if they do) a regrouped and newly led ALP can pick up the pieces in opposition.

    • eeeedeeeegeeeedeeee says:

      09:42am | 22/02/12

      The school kid thing has always intrigued me with this guy.  My two theories -

      I agree with TimB that they are a crowd of star-struck pre-pubescent non-voteres, however I don’t think that this doesn’t influence votes. If anyone has seen how a meeting of even a tainted sportsman at an auskick or similar couching clinic can whip parents into a tizz, will understand.  Proud parents chuffed at the fact that their child shook hands with Kev or were seen on tv are perhaps just as star struck and influenced in their voting.  Add that vote to the childs just-over-eighteen sibling’s vote similarly influenced.  Even if the parents have no interest in politics, the child’s excitement of touching fame opens up a new channel of communication to these parents.  How many parents buy Kellogs LCMs based on the pester-power of the kids in tow at the supermarket?

      The other theory which gives the guy way too much credit is one of long sightedness - securing future votes.  But I think this is way too much of a long-term mentality for any politician to consider.

    • Rhondar says:

      09:51am | 22/02/12

      Interesting observation re Rudd popularity, I am neither a Queenslander or a school kid, and I don’t particularly hate Gillard, but I have to say there is something about Rudd I like. He reminds me of my Dad, I think that is the reason I like this man. A,though my Dad is Irish, has a much shorter temper and swears more, there is something just Dad like about Rudd. I really think this is the reason people connect with him

    • TimB says:

      10:48am | 22/02/12

      At least you recognized the error of your ways Fairs wink

      Agree with the spirit of your post for the most part, but the 12 month thing is a mistake IMO. The problems with the ALP aren’t just about the leadership issue, it’s also about their policy agenda.  Any new leader is going to have to contend with those realities in the hung parliament and the entire circus will continue on. We need an election sooner rather than later.

      Also, apologies to the Queenslanders, but it *does* seem to be the location where he’s constantly mobbed. But then again now he isn’t PM he probably isn’t wandering around the country as much, just travelling between QLD and Canberra. Maybe he’d get similar receptions in Sydney’s western suburbs (shudder).

      @ Rhondar- Interesting you should mention the ‘Dad’ thing. I’ve always seen Kevin’s behaviour as an example of the sterotypical ‘dad’ type who embarrases his kids as he tries to be cool in front of his kids friends.

      To me that just comes off as fake and pathetic, and I don’t respect him for it.

    • fairsfair says:

      11:10am | 22/02/12

      Oh don’t get me wrong TimB - I’d love to see an election called today, but the reality of the situation is that that is not going to happen. We have another 18 months of this and they need some old fogey ready for retirement to go down with the ship. That man is Crean.

      He can be their escaped goat wink

    • Helen says:

      03:16pm | 22/02/12

      I’m from Qld. Can’t stand Rudd, never could, never would have voted for him if I was in his electorate. I didn’t cop the facade he put up. Even the people from ‘the small country town’ where he grew up can’t stand him.
      Also don’t care that he was knifed.
      He is a tosser. A nasty small mouthed knob.

    • Against the Man says:

      05:42am | 22/02/12

      Rudd is a family man, he works hard, doesn’t obviously lie and lie and lie and lie and lie. He didn’t sell us out to Bob Brown, He didn’t give us a carbon tax. He didn’t cause a break down in refugee policy. He doesn’t obviously lie. He interacts well with people unlike Gillard who looked pissed off during the QLD floods because her care factor was zero. Rudd isn’t perfect but the majority of ALPers want him. The ALP knows it. They know Gillard is toxic. The ALP is stuffed. Too f@#king sweet hahahahahahahahaha smile

    • Erick says:

      06:55am | 22/02/12

      @AtM - “He didn’t cause a break down in refugee policy.”

      I beg to differ. It was in fact Kevin Rudd who unilaterally broke John Howard’s very successful asylum seeker policy, and the situation has been growing worse ever since. That will come back to haunt him if he becomes leader again.

      Julia Gillard only failed in her bumbling attempts to fix what Rudd broke.

    • TimB says:

      07:04am | 22/02/12

      Got to disagree with you here on some points.

      Rudd may not have given us a Carbon tax, but he tried to give us an ETS until Tony (and bad polling) stopped him.

      The breadown in refugee policy *was* caused by Rudd in the first place (yes Gillard may have been the architect but Rudd bears ultimate responsibility as PM). 

      He interacts well with people who suck up to him, but woe betide anyone who dares cross him.

      Rudd is just as toxic as Gillard. He just hides it a little better from the public. Neither of them are fit to be PM.

    • Peter says:

      07:17am | 22/02/12

      “He didn’t give us a carbon tax”

      He wanted to.

      “He didn’t cause a break down in refugee policy”

      He did. It was his Government that scapped Nauru and TPV’s.

      “He interacts well with people”

      Tell that to the hostie who gave him the wrong sandwich smile and to his own MP’s who couldn’t stand him so much so they got rid of him within one term.

    • Dash says:

      07:22am | 22/02/12

      I don’t agree. He told us he was a fiscal conservative and turned out to be the biggest spending PM in our history. He promised us root and branch tax reform and shelved the Henry report. He promised us cheaper groceries and then spent $13m not to deliver grocerychoice. He promised us cheaper fuel and then spent $21m not to deliver fuelwatch. He promised to build 260 childcare centres and didn’t! He promised us a coast guard and we’re still waiting.

      He’s just as big a liar as Gillard! And no matter who leads the Labor party, it will still be the same old rotten ALP that has failed us for 4 years!

      Almost 70% of Gillards ministers come from union backgrounds. Yet less than 15% of workers are in a union! The ALP are run by the minority for the minority. They are out of touch. They have sold the soul of their party out to the extreme left. They have done nothing but implement socialist tax policy and yet they still can’t manage the nations finances. They are a pack of deceitful, marginalised, socialist morons. They need to go and go for a very long time!

    • Against the Man says:

      07:22am | 22/02/12

      I stand corrected.

      Thanks Erick

    • kc says:

      07:36am | 22/02/12

      Agreed AtM. Rudd was fine compared to Gillard. I have no idea why there are some commentators that despise him so much. Any I am a life long conservative. Maybe that’s it… perhaps it’s because Rudd does a good job at making Labor policy consumable by conservatives and is able to cross the chasm, unlike Gillard. Gillard has never once appeared to have the best interests of Australia at hand, Rudd seemed to always have the interests of Australia at hand. Unfortunately for him, the Labor party don’t care one iota about Australia, and only care about what will keep them in power the longest (which ironically would have been keeping Rudd anyway).

    • Blind Freddy says:

      08:24am | 22/02/12

      Look out- they’re arguing amongst themselves! Oh, no- AtM has been put back in his place by Erick and Dash. Move on - nothing to see here.

    • acotrel says:

      08:56am | 22/02/12

      @Eric
      ‘@AtM - “He didn’t cause a break down in refugee policy.”
      Tony Abbott forced the situation of onshore processing of asylum seekers onto the Australian government, by insisting on a return to Nauru to cover Howard’s arse !

    • Jane says:

      09:30am | 22/02/12

      Rudd committed us to one climate change policy or another so do not agree. Julia was left with his dirty work as he would not go to a double dissolution élection so instead delayed the ETS. She got the ETS they both promised with a carbon tax to start with which is actually easier to afford than the ETS bit so why the crying is bizzare. He is famous for NOT interacting with people and being a bully, Julia is famous for being very effective team player and very nice to people.

      You are confusing media skills like ACTING with real people. RUDD is a better actor/celebrity but fails on all else.

    • Against the Man says:

      09:43am | 22/02/12

      acotrel keep up the pathetic posts, just what the ALP needs from its tiny minority base wink

    • Borderer says:

      10:21am | 22/02/12

      @ Acotrel
      Vanity stops Julia going back to processing in Nauru, you know, the solution that worked….
      Instead we bumble around because we can’t acknowledge making a mistake. Despite having the numbers to pass numerous pieces of legislation, Labor still can’t convince enough people in their own camp that sending refugees to a nation that hasn’t signed the UN treaty on refugees is a good idea. Instead they blame the opposition for opposing a piece of policy they can’t convince enough of their own people to support. opposition opposing , there’s a turn….

    • ronny jonny says:

      06:03am | 22/02/12

      I never understood Kevins appeal unless it was that he wasn’t John Howard. He is slippery, smarmy, smirking, wank word using and sounds like he went to the same public speaking course they send all the footballers and cricketers to. To me he has always come across as a faker, smiling while he tells people what they want to hear and then does whatever he wants. He makes a used car salesman seem like a font of sincerity. Absolutely makes my skin crawl.

    • acotrel says:

      06:25am | 22/02/12

      He is a trained second division public servant, haven’t you ever seen one before ?  There was one famously portrayed in Yes Minister ! Extremely competent, but you get all the business as well as the good stuff.

    • TimB says:

      07:06am | 22/02/12

      + 1 to this. That’s Kevin to a T. A used car salesman who sold Australia a lemon.

    • Dissenter says:

      08:00am | 22/02/12

      Explaining Kevin Rudd is understanding the workplace psychopath as identified by John Clarke in his book Working with Monsters.
      Psychological tendencies of workplace psychopaths identified by Clarke are that they are superficially charming, have a grandiose sense of self-worth, a need for excitement and are pathological liars. They also have an absolute lack of remorse, a lack of guilt for what they do and are parasites who live off other people and take credit for other peoples work.
      Workplace psychopaths are initially valued in their organizations because they attain success at any cost but over time they damage the organization because they over-promise and cannot deliver.
      Workplace psychopaths have a devastating affect on organizations and co-workers.
      Rudd has demonstrated many of the characteristics outlined by Clarke. Some are the manner he dealt with Scores night club, his portrayal of his ‘homeless’ childhood, his description of himself as an economic conservative a socialist and a social democrat, his description of himself as a Christian socialist, his constant big-noting and blabbering, his treatment of department heads making some wait all day without meeting them, the turnover of staff in his office, the 20/20 talkfest was an overt attempt to take credit for other peoples work.

    • Kat says:

      08:02am | 22/02/12

      Exactly my thinking Ronny.  Prissy, preening, pompos show pony with awesome luggage carring skills (footage during QLD floods) and thank goodness he was at church that day to assist carrying that man out.  I’m sure the 2 guys that had the man’s weight were so gratefull that Kev had hold of his ankle.  Rudd would show up to the opening of a car door.  Why can’t people see through him?

    • Ron e says:

      08:05am | 22/02/12

      The “good stuff”!?  Que!?
      You’re on fire this morning alcotrel.
      Nailed it ronny jonny!
      (Great name, too!)

    • Bob says:

      08:45am | 22/02/12

      acotrel: If the image you took away from Sir Henry was positive because he’s “extremely competent” then you probably didn’t understand the character. He was extremely competent when it came to playing power politics, word games, the old boys network and manipulating people. Not for reasons for which we’d like Rudd to be competent if he’s a PM. In many ways, Sir Henry was a representation of everything that was wrong with the Civil Service. Yes he was extremely intelligent and competent, but Dear God I’d have hated to have him in charge of a country.

    • ronny jonny says:

      11:07am | 22/02/12

      Dissenter, that is it, spot on. I think John Clarke has nailed it, he is brilliant. Workplace psychopath,  if you look that up in the book is there a picture of Kev?
      Kat, prissy is a word I wished I got in there, he is prissy in the extreme, I just want to grab him in a headlock and mess his hair up. Birdnest!!!!

      Ron e, I meet so few ronnies these days, good to see there are still a few of us about, awesome name.

    • SteveKAG says:

      06:04am | 22/02/12

      I think Kevin fell victim not to the givernment had lost its way (which it had but Julia and the rest of them were apart of that anyway) but to the fact that they elect their boss.  They did not like his style even though he resonated with voters so they got rid of him.

      I am no fan of Rudd or Julia but if it were one or the other i will take Rudd anyday.

    • acotrel says:

      06:27am | 22/02/12

      You never see Julia showing signs of being stressed out !

    • Against the Man says:

      06:44am | 22/02/12

      It was never about a government that lost its way (because isn’t that every Labor government in living history?), it was about Julia wanting power. That fact if acknowledge by ALP supporters would cause significant psychological damage to them.

    • Dash says:

      07:14am | 22/02/12

      Rudd “resonated with voters” whilst he was promising no child would live without a lap top, that he’d deliver cheaper fuel and cheaper groceries and that he was a “fiscal conservative”

      Unfortunately for Rudd and the ALP that turned out to all be bullshit!

      You can only lie for so long before it catches up with you. Gillard is finding that out now, and so is the Labor party. They have over promised and under delivered for so long now they have zero credibility left.

    • Matt Green says:

      07:21am | 22/02/12

      @ACOTREL, You obviously didn’t see her interview on Four Corners

    • Against the Man says:

      09:46am | 22/02/12

      That was what I was going to say Matt. Got to love acotrel, like his Labor heroes he loves digging a big hole for himself.

    • emmy says:

      06:53am | 22/02/12

      Rudd will win the support of his Caucus colleagues again as soon as Kochie and Mel start promoting him again like they did for a year before the 2007 election. Those two are responsible for the dysfunctional political environment we now have

    • Off With Her Head says:

      07:46am | 22/02/12

      Shouldn’t laugh but you are right. Kochie & Mel are our Fox News.

    • GB says:

      08:46am | 22/02/12

      Don’t forget Rove and Good News Week. They’re just as culpable. The rock star reception he got on those shows in the lead up to that ‘07 election was vomit worthy. Thank god the 7pm Project or whatever it’s called these days wasn’t around then.

    • Dieter Moeckel says:

      08:46am | 22/02/12

      The media is the driving agent ... and the media is having an orgasm followed by multi self inflicted orgasm after orgasm using the labor leadership challenge myth ad a dildo much to the pornographic delight of the opposition.
      I’d have a punt that the welded-on liberal bigots commenting here are replete with vicarious multi organisms as this tragedy unfolds.
      There is no challenge and no matter how much the media insists there is it would be foolish for Gillard to admit there is, or for Rudd to admit anything that the media and the liberal bigots can use top de-stable the government.
      The media have taken up the baton from Abbott, push-interviewing ...
      Tony Jones on Q&A was a classic example. He made a complete idiot of himself trying to make Shorten conform the push questions he put.
      Its time that media went on with reporting fact and stopping the idiotic opinion push. The media is creating the news not reporting it.

    • SteveKAG says:

      08:56am | 22/02/12

      Except fox news is for the right of politicis and sunrise is for the left…..but apart from that little fact yeah they are they same

    • Michael says:

      10:05am | 22/02/12

      @Dieter Moeckel - How can you possibly know that it’s all lies? With the amount of BS coming out of the Labor party these days, who can possibly tell what is truth and what is crap? If the media were to just report whatever the pollies tell them, we’d all be treated like mushrooms mate. I don’t know about you but I’d rather allow a bit of media speculation as we all know that the ALP is very loose with the truth. That may be a slight understatement.

    • Dieter Moeckel says:

      12:55pm | 22/02/12

      I don’t Michael, but I work on the premise that fact is fact and opinion is opinion. Journalist write most of this stuff in the opinion pages or sections of the newspapers and ask the questions to elicit opinion not fact. “What do you think not what do you know.” I base much of my opinion on what I learnt during a degree in Journalism and Literary Processes. Ie writing fact and writing fiction.
      You have a right to your own opinion but you do not have a right to your own fact.

    • Jason says:

      01:40pm | 22/02/12

      Michael.  Well you are the only Coalition troll that has a real name.  The other day poor old Weary had to take over from as you must have been getting tired.  Look like you are back with rolled gold facts again.  I know you are not a rusted on coalition fan only an interested person on the side line.  You are apolitical and we all believe you.  As for the truth I don’t think you know the meaning of the word as you never let it get in the way of Coalition spin.

    • Off With Her Head says:

      06:59am | 22/02/12

      I hated Rudd, didn’t vote for him. But I’d support him in any attempt to reclaim leadership. I think it has something to do with giving him a fair go. Because Gillard usurped him, stole the gig rather than being voted in by the public, she will forever be disrespected. She will always be considered completely untrustworthy, and I mean more so than any other politician. So unless she performed miracles, she was always going to end up in this position. As soon as things got bad, people would say that she was never supposed to be there anyway. She hasn’t done a better job than Rudd, so maybe give him a chance to complete his term? To put simply: she didn’t earn her way in, and she isn’t earning her keep so sack her.

    • snuf says:

      07:39am | 22/02/12

      she has put up with crap from people like u and the immense media push to have her out and pushed through with the hard decisions that her party wanted, good or bad she has done what Australia needs and she has been strong. regardless if u like her not she is making things happen.

    • Jason says:

      09:01am | 22/02/12

      Well I voted for Rudd because I despised Howard for all his lies, children overboard, lies about the weapons of mass destruction, the running down of the health system, road infrastructure, and schools.  Rudd had to go at he was not trying to sell the Governments policies and appeared to be arrogant.  I noticed this 6 months before Gillard took over.  Gillard did not steal the gig as you so insidiously implied she was canvassed by members of the cactus as they could all see Rudd has lost his way.  Prime Ministers are not voted in by the public as you said and the rest of your statement about being disrespected by the public is at Best LNP spin and at worst a deliberate lie.  So the rest of your comment is just LNP spin and lies.  Your are wrong as she has done a much better job than Rudd to name a few that Rudd could not follow through, Mining Tax, and Carbon Tax.  The rest of your comment is nor worth a comment.  Please try and stick to the facts and not LNP spin.

    • Jacket says:

      09:01am | 22/02/12

      I can’t support either of them in any form HeadOff. They’ve just got to go. They typify the mediocrity that Australian politics is smothered in right now. The governing of a country is a very serious business that affects the lives of real people, causes them to prosper or die, causes marriage pressures and family break-ups etc. Government representatives should be the most able and pragmatic people in the land and NOT the mundane dreamers and oddball mob we currently have in place. I mean, line them up - Rudd, Gillard, Oakeshott, Windsor, Wilkie, Brown, Katter, Slipper, Rhiannon, Garrett, Wong, Conroy, Combett - it’s a freakshow.

    • acotrel says:

      09:02am | 22/02/12

      In other words you’d do anything t o destabilise the government and replace that woman with a scheming fool !

    • SteveKAG says:

      11:06am | 22/02/12

      @Acotrel Wasn’t that scheming fool replaced by the backstabbing lying bitch because they had a destabilised government of their own making…...seems like we are full circle again.

    • Gratuitous Adviser says:

      07:01am | 22/02/12

      In my opinion his retained public popularity is not based on his personal allure but more as a protest to the ALP, because of what they did in 2010 by the publically despised ALP faction system and the publically despised ALP “faceless men”.

      He was non-aligned and refused to be a lackey to the factions and their leaders, therefore he made enemies (especially the AWU lackeys).  Sure, he made mistakes but all progressives do because they are making significant changes.  He was elected (the ALP machine will argue that the voter elects the local member who elects the leader, but that is not the reason the public vote for one party or another) by the Australian people to be Prime Minister for a term and they feel they were robbed of their vote. 

      Has anyone heard from Mark Arbib lately? 

      In saying the above, the ALP will not change leaders again until after the inevitable next “drovers dog” federal election when we will probably have the joy of a LNP government for a long period.  That’s democracy!

      Like the NSW situation this curse on the ALP was self inflicted and will not be forgotten until they re-build, which appears can only done from opposition.  The public will turn off (like in NSW now) until they rebuild and my hope is that they retain the parliamentary intellectual base while in opposition, and not go the way of the current federal opposition under the leadership of Tony Abbott.

    • Dash says:

      07:32am | 22/02/12

      Good post. I would add that the ALP has allowed itself to be taken over by the left faction of the party. You only have to look at how Bob Brown tries to protect Gillard with claims of sexism to see the extreme left are trying to hold on to power. Paul Howes was a member of the Resistance organisation. He was instrumental in putting his lefty mate into power!

      Then look at the policies they have inflicted on us. The carbon tax and profits tax are both straight out of the communist tax manifesto. The flood levy aimed at the top 10% of taxpayers who already pay all of the tax. The removal of $2billion in family assistance. The removal of tax concessions for retirement savings. The means testing of the private health tax rebate. The state owned and censored internet. The standover tactics and threats of punitive legislation to force Telstra (a private company) to hand over it’s assets. The stacking of Fairwork Australia with ex union bosses. The establishment of a carbon tax propaganda unit. The $10m used to set up a “Climate Institute” to produce reports the ALP wanted us to see.

      The ALP has given up the middle ground to pursue the extreme left. They will suffer the consequences at the ballot box! Gillards Socialist Forum past is catching up with her.

    • Blind Freddy says:

      08:50am | 22/02/12

      Agree on the union influence but not on the welfare for the rich stuff.

      I find it hypocritical how people accuse the Labor Party of being socialists but don’t mind having their hand out for a government hand-out when it suits them.

    • James in Brisbane says:

      08:56am | 22/02/12

      @Dash - funny how you decry socialism then endorse socialist policies. Private health care rebates are socialist - they require raising taxes to them redistribute them to some taxpayers. Private school payments are also socialist. Welfare is welfare is welfare, regardless of whom it’s aim at. It’s just that upper class welfare is popular with Liberal voters, and lower class welfare is popular with Labor voters. But it’s still welfare, it still requires higher taxes to fund it. The Liberal party is supposed to be about low taxes, but in reality it can’t afford to have low taxes because it needs the higher tax revenue to buy votes of the better off.

    • james says:

      09:22am | 22/02/12

      Tony is for small government in opposition. Can anyone see him keeping that aspiration?
      He will just be like Howard, the highest taxing pm in our history.

    • Brett says:

      09:40am | 22/02/12

      In reply to James of Brisbane - despite Australia being an over-restricted nanny state, the opportunity for ANYBODY to be successful remains.  However, unlike Americans, who are an optimistic lot and the values of resourcefulness, self-reliance, entrepreneurism and small government are ingrained in their culture, the Australian psychie is dead opposite.  Aussies now rely on the State to micro-manage their lives…they resent the success of others (i.e. despise “tall poppies”) are a left-leaning, adversarial and polarised lot.  By your own admission it’s quite fine to punish the hard working and successful (and wealthy if you consider $80,000 pa in Sydney as such) ) by imposing so many taxes and levies the majority don’t have to pay—-despite the wealthy already contributing a greater share of tax. So many Aussies complain they don’t make enough money - then get out and work harder or get further qualifications ...goals so many of our immigrants seem to manage.  It’s socialist wealth re-distribution pure and simple and nothing to do with so-called upper class Liberals.  Just look at the number of hard working tradies in traditional Labor areas earning greater than 80k and you migh ge tthe picture.

    • Dash says:

      10:32am | 22/02/12

      @James - screwed up logic! The people that were getting the rebate are the ones funding the system! And despite the rebate, the net effect of the policy was for those people to incur a cost. How can forcing someone to incur a cost be welfare? You have fallen for the ALPs propaganda on that one I’m afraid.

      The people paying for the health system are the same people who subsidised the ALPs $900 handouts, who are paying for the ALPs carbon tax compensation scheme (despite how they pollute), paid for the Queensland ALPs failure to insure against flood, and who are wearing an already increased tax burden because the ALP has reduced the tax base and increased taxes.

      That’s the kind of socialist crap that is not sustainable. It’s about time the ALP stopped punishing the weath creators and stopped rewarding the wealth destroyers in our society! If you educate yourself, work hard and become successful, the ALP has a huge target on your back. Yet if you are dumb as doig shit sitting a beach smoking dope, they want to throw money at you!

      And James - when the LNP gave something back to the people paying all the tax (something you say is wrong), they also managed to balance the nations budget! Compare that to the ALP who handed money out to ALP demographics whilst racking up record levels of debt!

    • Blind Freddy says:

      11:01am | 22/02/12

      @Dash

      “. . . .If you educate yourself”

      Yeah, and every man is an island and Australia is a meritocracy where the wealth of your parents don’t affect your life chances. Educate yourself . . . .  pfffft. Really?

    • James in Brisbane says:

      11:19am | 22/02/12

      @Dash, you’re wrong. Firstly, taxes currently under Labor are at a lower percentage of GDP than at any time during Howard reign. However, lower taxes require lower spending, and Labor hasn’t had the guts to really rip into the spending that the Libs ratcheted up - baby bonuses, first home owners grants, private school funding etc. You say that the people who pay the tax deserve to get it back - it begs the question as to why tax them in the first place if you’re only going to give it back?? Taxing and spending needs administration, which is a further cost.

      Howard actually increased the overall tax take (so as a percentage of GDP tax was higher). He then handed the extra tax take back out in a variety of non-means tested benefits. Protip: supporting the poor is cheap. Supporting others isn’t cheap. The other problem with middle/upper class welfare is it’s unproductive. You don’t get anywhere near the sort of return you would if you’d put that money into better ports, roads, telecommunications infrastructure etc - things that earn the country money by allowing people and business to do things more efficiently. I haven’t been hoodwinked by Labor - I should, given my ideological views, be a steadfast Liberal supporter. I’m not because the Liberal party is not a fiscally orthodox party, it’s a big taxing, big spending party that doesn’t spend on infrastructure and the nation’s capital account. The irony is that Labor is more fiscally conservative than the Libs and they spend more on national infrastructure. Why? Because populism has thrashed ideology. The Labor party are working class populists and the Liberal party are upper class/corporate populists, they both simply want to funnel wealth back to their constituencies. And as I’ve said, buying off the poor is a hell of a lot cheaper than buying off the wealthy. And as someone earning over 5 times the mean wage, I include myself in that latter group. Given the amount I earn, I don’t see any need for more cash to be sent my way, however when I look at most of my family and social circle, there are a lof of whiney Ritchie Riches, my mother is like Ivana Trump with a begging bowl.

    • Tator says:

      11:33am | 22/02/12

      Blind Freddy,
      What a load of crap, there are enough success stories about people from low socioeconomic families succeeding in Australia.  There is plenty of equality of opportunity, but it takes hard work to improve your station in life.  For instance, my father in law was a refugee from the Communists in Slovakia and arrived here in Australia as a penniless unaccompanied 18 year old.  He worked hard initially as a farm labourer but built up his life and studied and become involved in radiography and then advanced aerial photography and built up his business and was relatively wealthy (considering his wife was blowing the lot on a lot of crap) from a beginning which had nothing.  And this is a man who had little formal education when he arrived and no cultural or family support whatsoever.
      All it takes to succeed in Australia is a good work ethic and little bit of nouse and you can become relatively wealthy.

    • L. says:

      11:38am | 22/02/12

      Dash says..

      “The state owned and censored internet.”

      Excuse me..?? State Internet censorship..?? Where..?? There is NO internet filter, so Labor didn’t deliver this. It was Howard that inroduced the “RC” classification and banned all Australian based XXX websites.

      You want to talk censorship… Then take it up with Howard and the Libs.

    • Kat says:

      11:56am | 22/02/12

      James, the so called “wealthy” prop up the lower wage earners, fund welfare, medicare and keep small businesses running.  Someone earning $80K pays double the amount of medicare than someone earning $40K, then they have private health insurance so they don’t have to pay tax penalty if they are not in one.  The whole reason for the medicare rebate was to get the more wealthy into Private Health Insurance where they STILL have to pay even more money if they use it, where as the lower wage earner gets it all for free.

      People earning higher wages spend more by getting their hair and nails done, facials, buying clothes, renovating the bathroom, kitchen, house - all of which are small business.  These businesses suffer and go under when money is removed from the “wealthy” to prop up and hand out to the poor (wealth redistribution) because the “wealthy” stop spending.  Lower wage earners don’t spend as much on these things as the higher wage earners.

      If you want to earn more money, study harder, work harder and longer hours.  Why should the “wealthy” work 60 hrs plus per week to give hand outs to people who couldn’t be bothered studying at school so they can’t get a better paying job?

      Socialism does not work.  You do not make the poor rich by making the rich poor.  Economies need people who earn big money to spend it.  The government should be doing their best to encourage that, not trying to stop it.

    • Tator says:

      12:10pm | 22/02/12

      James,
      still running that crap as gospel.
      Borderer and I have pointed out on numerous occasions that the only reason that the tax take is a lower percentage of GDP is through the collapse of taxation revenue due to lower company profitability and lower consumption rates which is proven due to the collapse in company tax receipts and GST receipts.  Company tax receipts have collapsed from $64 billion in 07/08 to $56 billion in 10/11 without any cuts to the company tax rate.  This indicates that companies are not as profitable as they were under Howard. 
      In addition GST revenue has collapsed as well as GST revenue has only grown by less than 1% per year (.97%)  which is contrary to GDP growth which averaged .47% per quarter since July 2008 (1.88% or nearly double). 
      IT IS NOT THROUGH ANY REDUCTION IN TAX RATES WHICH IS THE REAL MEASURE OF LOW TAXING.
      Howard throughout his government, reduced income tax rates and also company tax rates.  He also simplified the tax system by replacing a raft of both state based and federal taxes with the GST which also moved previously state based taxes under the Federal tax base.  He also moved state based excises into the Federal tax base due to a High Court decision in 1997 which declared state based excises were unconstitutional.  He also paid the full receipts from those excises back to the states (which is why up until Bligh canned it, Queenslanders got a rebate on fuel as they never had a state based fuel excise)
      Whereas the ALP since 2007 have increased taxes or implemented new taxes such as the following:
      1. Alcopops tax.
      2. New tax on Australians working overseas
      3. Cutting what Australians can put into superannuation tax-free.
      4. Restrictions on business losses.
      5. Changes to Employee Share Scheme.
      6. Cigarette tax hike of 25%
      7. The Mineral Resoure Rent Tax.
      8. Ethanol taxation increases.
      9. LPG excise increase.
      10. Tightening restrictions on medical expenses before you can claim them on tax.
      11. Increase in luxury car tax.
      12. Flood tax.
      13. Tax increase on company cars.
      14. Abolition of Entrepreneurs’ Tax Offset.
      15. Phasing out of Dependent Spouse Tax Offset.
      16. Disallowance of deductions against government assistance payments.
      17. Removing minors’ eligibility for the low income tax offset on unearned income.
      18. Deferral of Tax Breaks for Green Buildings.
      19. Carbon tax.
      20. Changes in Salary Sacrifice packaging

    • Blind Freddy says:

      12:18pm | 22/02/12

      @Tator

      Sounds like he was taught the value of hard work- probably by someone else like his parents. Or, did he pull himself up by his own bootlaces?

      I said “affect” and not “determine” your life chances. The reality of intergenerational disadvantage trumps your anecdote.

    • Dash says:

      12:12pm | 22/02/12

      @Blind Freddy - spoken like someone who hasn’t been hit by all of the ALPs tax changes over the last 4 years! Did you get the $900? How much flood levy did you pay? How much Medicare levy do you pay? Do you get compensation under the carbon tax? Have you had your private health tax rebate taken from you?

      If you’re paying more than twice the average income in tax annually look me up! Otherwise, get off the ALP gravy train.

      @James, I didn’t say people who pay taxes deserve to get it back. I said that the LNP gave something back to the people paying all of the tax whilst at the same time balancing the budget. You got 5 years of consecutive PAYG tax cuts under Howard!

      I think you’ll find that if you look at tax in dollar terms, it has gone up a significant amount under this ALP government. But you miss the point I’m making anyway. The tax burden is being forced on to a decreasing section of the community and onto that section which is already paying the most tax and contributing the most to the financial running of the country! The top 10% of taxpayers are already paying more than 50% of the PAYG tax revenue. With an aging population that is not sustainable. These are the people hit by the flood levy, they are the ones who subsidised the $900 handouts, they are the ones paying for the carbon tax handouts and they are the ones forced to pay even more for the health care system.

      The ALP has lifted the tax free threshhold. More and more of the tax burden is pushed onto the few who are already paying for everyone else. That’s socialism gone mad! Soon there will be no incentive to go the extra mile. I don’t believe that’s fair or the right thing for the country. Take a look at what years of socialist government has done to Greece.

      I’m not asking for anything but a fairer tax system. I’m sick of getting slugged with every ALP policy change. The tax burden needs to be shared more evenly across the greater community. It’s wrong to keep asking the same few to pay for everything. It’s wrong to punish success and reward mediocrity. And I’m sick of people ignoring the fact that high income earners pay shitloads of tax!

    • james says:

      12:43pm | 22/02/12

      James in Brisbane

      Spot on mate could not have said it any better.

    • james says:

      12:56pm | 22/02/12

      By September 2002 Howard’s government had introduced legislation for 130 new taxes or levies, including the gun buyback levy in 1996.

      You were saying Tator?

    • James in Brisbane says:

      01:20pm | 22/02/12

      @Tator, you conveniently omit the list of levies that howard introduced, I could start with the gun buy-back levy and go on ... Howard really ratcheted up spending, especially on non-means tested benefits - those are inherently skewed towards the better off. Tax rebates are certainly skewed because you need to be earning to get the rebate. For example, I own a portfolio of investment properties and I get significant tax benefits from those. Someone earning $50K probably can’t afford an investment property and even if they could, they’re not on the top marginal rate like me so I can far more bang for my buck for tax deductions. How equitable is that?

      @Dash - the fact still remains, if you persist with providing non-means-tested benefits to large chunks of society, you have a more expensive system than you need to have. If you lessen the hand-outs, you can also lessen the tax take. Both the Labor and Liberal parties have gained and maintained power by throwing money at all sorts of interest groups. To do that, they need to keep taxes higher than if they’d kept support at basic levels, means-tested. It’s a money-go-round which needs the employment of tens of thousands of public servants to keep it going.

      And please, don’t give me that trickle-down economics garbage. It has been shown empirically to be a failed theory. There has been good work done by economists in the US to show what a heap of theoretical garbage it is. One of the main problems is that the rich don’t spend in the way you suggest. We don’t go out and get more services, not proportionately anyway. We spend our wealth on tax-effective investments like investment properties or shares - things that do nothing to have wealth trickle down, in fact they’re design to maintain and grow wealth, and the tax system makes it even more so. If you hadn’t noticed, the gap between rich and poor has been steadily growing thanks to the like of Reaganomics and Chicago School nonsense.

    • Blind Freddy says:

      01:24pm | 22/02/12

      @Dash

      I am single, with two full-grown tax paying kids. I never received the “baby bonus” or anything similar. I never use the health system, because I look after my own health. I ride a bike to and from work each day- so I rarely use a car or catch public transport. I earn above average wages - so I pay above average taxes (yes- i did pay the “flood levy”). I didn’t support the “illegal” war in Iraq (that cost the taxpayer millions). I might get compensation for the C02 tax and I may not- it’s such a pittance either way I don’t care.

      Australia is one of, if not the most, fortunate countries in the world and Australians are by default among the most fortunate people in the world- if I have to pay a bit of tax to live here, so be it.

    • James in Brisbane says:

      01:46pm | 22/02/12

      And Tator, tax as a percentage of GDP is still a percentage of GDP, regardless of whether GDP itself goes up or down. And tax, as a percentage of GDP, has been dropping.

    • Tator says:

      03:18pm | 22/02/12

      Blind Freddy,
      He came from a single parent family where his father was not declared.  His mother resorted to the black market during WW2 to survive and he had to run away from home because of the Nazi’s when a young teenager and ended up in a Red Cross camp for a year or two after the Communist Russians took over Slovakia.  So he had no real positive parental role models until he was billetted out on the Eyre Peninsula where he was to work as a farm hand as an 18 year old.

      James,
      Link please for the 130 or at least list the major ones.  All I can find is a quote from the Clerk of the Senate stating that number.  What you probably don’t realise is that Howard actually repealed a bucket load of taxes whilst replacing them.  what has the ALP repealed apart from a few specific purpose levies like the milk levy.  Plus when Howard implemented an Australia Wide levy like the gun buyback, it was imposed as a flat rate on EVERYBODY who paid the Medicare Levy and not just an unlucky few who are privileged enough to be over a certain income threshold.
      Plus if the reason that tax receipts are lower as a percentage of GDP is actually bad for our economy ie the economy is tanking and the only reason we are getting any growth is through immigration as GDP per Capita is stagnant, I would’t be bragging about that as a positive.  Especially since if companies are profitable and company tax is paid at a flat rate of 30% with no tax free threshold,  higher company tax receipts will drive the percentage higher

    • Dash says:

      03:19pm | 22/02/12

      @James in Brisbane - and when the large taxpayers come off private health and on to your public hospital queue, how more expensive will that system become?

      I wish I had enough money to spend on tax effective investments!

      I agree with your sentiment though. I’d like to see no carbon tax compensation that is nothing more than a socialist exercise in wealth redictribution! To tell people you are about making big poluters pay and then to force the cost on to certain people on the basis of income is a disgrace. No more $900 handouts. And the lifting of the tax free threshhold is a joke for the reasons i explained earlier. We should be expanding the tax base. You cannot avoid consumption. Lift the GST to 15% and reduce the PAYG tax scales. Get more of those people doing cash jobs and splitting their income in family businesses to pay their way!

    • Tator says:

      04:14pm | 22/02/12

      James,
      according to ABS.gov.au
      GDP PER CAPITA since September 2008 quarter has only increased 1%  whilst GDP has increased 6% over the same period therefore GDP PER CAPITA is stagnant.  Read what the post said, not what you interpret it to be.  Considering that our population in June 2008 was 21.498 million and our current population according to ABS is 22.8 million an increase of 1.3million over 3.6 years which is a 6% increase in population over the same time as GDP grew by 6% and GDP per capita remained pretty stagnant with a much lower growth rate, it can be said that GDP is growing because of population growth and not by increasing individual wealth therefore the government cannot claim credit for that GDP growth per sei.

    • James in Brisbane says:

      08:08am | 23/02/12

      @Dash - higher income earners won’t come off private health insurance for the public system. We can afford it and most of us don’t want to slum it in the public health system. There might be a few people at the margins, but most people who can afford private health cover will keep it. And if the market behaves like markets should, without a government subsidy health insurance premiums might come down a bit as funds compete to keep members. Competition is good, it keeps prices down. Government subsidies are bad, they keep prices inflated.

    • Mouse says:

      07:06am | 22/02/12

      It’s not that people love Rudd, or that they were appalled at the way he was dethroned, or that he was a great PM that got good policy through, it is the simple fact that a great many people now just despise and distrust gillard.
      This is all of her own making, nobody else is to blame. She continues to rupture her own credibility every time she opens her mouth or refuses to answer simple “yes/no” questions.

      As I said, it is not that everyone loves Rudd, it is that people remember the happy, jovial little fella that beat the old, crusted on Howard back in 2007. The one that they voted for back then, the one that was unceremoniuosly ousted by this nasty, lying woman that has taken his place and is now bringing the Labor name into disarray.

      The reason he was ousted is forgotten, the memory of the “true” Rudd is a bit hazy now and the belief that he can save Labor is a bit desperate. But, hey, anything has got to better than what they have now….... right?  :o)

    • Jason says:

      09:43am | 22/02/12

      OMG you are so full of LNP spin.  It is a pity that there no facts in your rant.  All these assertions you present as fact such as ‘it is the simple fact that a great many people now just despise and distrust gillard’.  Again just more LNP lies and spin.  This one is a doosey ‘She continues to rupture her own credibility every time she opens her mouth or refuses to answer simple “yes/no” questions.  Says who YOU.

    • Mouse says:

      11:03am | 22/02/12

      Jason, do you read anything more than Punch? Have you read any of the replies to the many articles in recent media in relation to the so-called leadership challenge? If you have you would certainly know that what I have written is not just MY rant. The general feeling, from both talking to people and in the articles I have read, it indeed appears that many people feel this way and I read a lot more than just the local paper. I am not the only one that is saying this, you obviously don’t agree which is your right, but don’t tell me that nothing I say is factual.

      LNP spin? What has the Liberal National Party of Qld got to do with it? Who said I support them? I don’t even live in Qld. If you mean the Coalition, then you are taking it upon yourself to assume I support them, something I have never claimed to do. Regardless,  I say again, what have they got to do with any of this? I thought the Labor leadership challenge was between gillard and Rudd.  Oh NO!!!! Shock, horror!!!Don’t tell me that the Libs have made all this up and none of it is true and it’s all Abbott’s fault! If you really believe this to be the case maybe you should get out more, talk to other people, maybe get a hobby, it will certainly make you happier!! :o)

    • Jason says:

      11:53am | 22/02/12

      Mouse.  You say you have facts.  Where are they?  Going on your comment you obtain your information, if not from the right wing press and radio shock jocks, from the water cooler and local bar fly which is an indirect way of getting the same information.  I am certain you will not and never vote for the Labor Party, is that plain enough for you?  Now you go to the right wing defence book, that is if you have no defence make it up like ‘Oh NO!!!! Shock, horror!!!Don’t tell me that the Libs have made all this up and none of it is true and it’s all Abbott’s fault!’.  Facts would be good not Coalition spin.

    • ZaSaMa says:

      12:00pm | 22/02/12

      @Jason. Where have you been the past 18 months? Do opinion polls not exist in the world you inhabit? She IS despised in the electorate. For you to even try to deny that says more about you than mouse. Take a walk down the mall in the capital city where you live and conduct a straw poll of everyday Australians. That will tell you everything you need to know about the regard in which she is held.

    • Bob says:

      12:23pm | 22/02/12

      >>This one is a doosey ‘She continues to rupture her own credibility every time she opens her mouth or refuses to answer simple “yes/no” questions.  Says who YOU. <<

      Are you saying that her blatantly refusing to answer simple “yes/no” questions helps her credibility? By what logic doesn’t that harm her? Please use the time she was asked if she was aware that her office had worked on her PM ascension speech two weeks in advance as your example when answering this. Or you could do a Gillard and pretend I asked your opinion of puppies.

    • Jason says:

      12:57pm | 22/02/12

      ZaSaMa.  Big call, Gillard is depised in the electorate you say.  Maybe in your little coalition world.  She is getting on with Government and achieving good results even though every Radio shock jock, right wing media and Abbott are doing a good job keeping that a secret.  On the other side we have Abbott and his crew of misfits stumbling and bumbling everyday but this is poorly reported, if at all but rarely held to account.  If you want evidence I can give it to you in spades because I read widely and am not lead by the nose.

    • Jason says:

      01:18pm | 22/02/12

      Bob.  What is your point?  Are you saying that all politicians answer yes or no to question except Gillard and that is the basis of her unpopularity?    If you do then you need to get out more.

    • SimonFromLakemba says:

      01:29pm | 22/02/12

      @ZaSaMa

      “Take a walk down the mall in the capital city where you live and conduct a straw poll of everyday Australians. That will tell you everything you need to know about the regard in which she is held”

      Don’t disagree with Gillard, but could easily get the same response with Abbott, you could also ask how many people would be voting Liberal just because they hate Gillard/Labor.

    • Kerryn says:

      07:10am | 22/02/12

      I only voted for him because I was sick of being screwed under Work choices and because he’s a Lions supporter.  Otherwise I would have drawn a pretty flower on my ballot sheet and left it at that.

    • Jason says:

      10:15am | 22/02/12

      You are just the type of people the LNP like for they will tell, hand on heart, that work choices in dead.  They did not tell you the new name for it called Boss Choices.

    • Bob says:

      12:24pm | 22/02/12

      Jason: That’s behaviour that someone who claimed that there wouldn’t be a carbon tax under a government she leads would be more likely to exhibit.

    • james says:

      01:06pm | 22/02/12

      But she didnt rule out an emissions trading scheme.

      Not a bad deal given the hung parliament.

    • Jason says:

      02:15pm | 22/02/12

      Bob.  You are correct in saying that Gillard said there would not be a Carbon Tax under her Government.    Who was it that said don’t believe anything I say unless it is in writing.  Tony Abbott failed to declare a $710,000 home loan to Parliament for two years.  Abbott said that Australia was only going to have a Carbon deduction scheme of 5%  bur China had increased Carbon Emmissions by 500% for 2010.  In reality this was the figure for 1990.  I could add a lot more like breaking a core election promise decision to restrict access to the Medicare safety net the Health Minister, Tony Abbott, is really in the hot seat, after his comments in September 2004: “That is an absolutely rock-solid, iron-clad commitment.”

    • Jason says:

      02:27pm | 22/02/12

      Bob.  Just a little link to you tube and the 730 report with Abbott being interviewed by Kerry O’Brien.  http://youtu.be/Tc5ljcri6Nk

    • thatmosis says:

      07:13am | 22/02/12

      What popularity. From what Ive observed he is about as popular as a cas of zits before a first date and on a par with Joolia. Truth be known all Labor Pollies are tarred with the same brush, all we need are the pole and the feathers.

    • bicbic says:

      07:16am | 22/02/12

      The disconnect is you lot not understanding Kev’s popularity… very easy, very simple - like you :lol.. It’s about empathy, it’s about familiarity of the public image at least. Nerdy Kev is a schoolboy - everybody knew, grew up with or has a Kev in their house… That’s why people understand him or when they don’t, accept him as harmless.. As for the private Kev giving public servants and other pollies hell is a winner.. Go Kev!

    • Ross says:

      07:24am | 22/02/12

      People are stupid and have very short memories. People forget all the issues he had when he was PM. Remember the nicknames; Kevin 24/7 (referring to the hours his staff were required to work), Kevin747 (referring to the amount of taxpayer funded o/s travel he did). Remember the assylum seeker policies? There are so many other ones.

      Julia’s biggest downfall is the carbon tax. Another is being Australia’s first female PM she has a lot to prove, more so than a male PM, and some people are focusing on this more than her actual work. She doesn’t have a very pleasant voice for a high profile public speaking person. She has a nasally boganish twang. not her fault, she is what she is, just sayin’.

      Tony Abbott’s only policy seems to be say/do the opposite to whatever the Govt is saying/doing, so no real policy. He seems acutely aware of what he says in public especially to media types and perhaps overthinks his replies to questions to avoid comeback but this makes his sentences full of pauses and umms and ahhs so doesn’t come across very well.

    • Bob says:

      08:52am | 22/02/12

      >>and some people are focusing on this more than her actual work<<

      The only people who are focusing on this are those who are trying to find reasons for her unpopularity that aren’t that she’s incompetent, a serial liar and seems incapable of answering simple questions.

      >>Tony Abbott’s only policy<<
      Wait until an actual election is called before this is relevant.

    • Gratuitous Adviser says:

      09:12am | 22/02/12

      Hi Ross
      Sensible Post.  In your other life you must have been an English teacher. 

      I must be the only person in Australia that did not know what a bogan was and that it was a derogatory term.  Reading Wikipedia’s explanation did not add much as the term seems to have come from Melbourne and has developed to be a cover-all for anything working class Australian and kitschy, but started out with the opposite meaning.  You know, a Tony Abbott supporter.

    • Jason says:

      02:41pm | 22/02/12

      Bob.  Just in case you really want to know the serial liar have a look at this You Tube clip.  http://youtu.be/Tc5ljcri6Nk  This just in case you missed my last post.

    • Matt G says:

      07:26am | 22/02/12

      My view is this:

      Kevin is intelligent.  There is no doubt about that.  He is a guy that has vision, however that also requires change, and the rest of his party didn’t, at the time, want change.  This could be a result of not being in power for so long, and didn’t want to rock the boat and be dismissed at the next election. 

      The result was that his party rebelled against him, and had him removed.  Afterwards, they realised that the changes he’d been working on were actually what the people wanted, so they worked for them.  I’m referring to the carbon tax and the mining tax.  Gillard is a muppet, which was made obvious with her interview on Four Corners. 

      The only reason Rudd was removed, was because his direction was against the vested interests of the Labor party members.

    • Jacket says:

      10:20am | 22/02/12

      There are various types of intelligence Matt G, and I don’t think Kev has what might be called a practical or sequentially reasoned intelligence.
      As for “vision”, everyone has vison of some description but I think you’d find that Kevin is at the centre of all his visions. I’m sure he sees a future where a world government sits in benevolent oversight of a world moving to equallity and civility, but most importantly, on the wall of the World Chamber is a big photo of the founding father Sir Kevin from 07.
      Government requires practical people who can transition from real-time, real situation (now) to future dreams without killing the beast they want to save.
      Rudd and his quite confused Party are not capable of this, as is repeatedly demonstrated by their random behaviour, policy erratics, sudden knee-jerk reactions (cattle trade on TV), tokenism and ,as you say, chop-change realisations.
      They entered government as inexperienced amateurs and their performance to date indicates that they still have a long way to go. Australia cannot afford to have them learning on the job any longer.

    • Esteban says:

      12:00pm | 22/02/12

      I don’t agree with this unequivical undoubted view on his intelligence.

      My experience is that intelligent people are able to communicate on a broad range of levels and are able to modify their language with ease depending on the audience.

      I am always suspicious that those who can’t or won’t modify their language and use terms that will not be broadly understood by the target audience are cultivating an aura of intelligence. Once cultivated it must be maintained for life.

      People like this refuse to delegate and micro manage. If you take over a delegated task from them you might find that they were doing a crap job or it was not as complex as they were telling you.

      Narcissists are not nice people but they can be nice to some people. They invariably do well in business and politics because they are ruthless. I think Rudd has succedded in public life and the public service on the back of ruthlessness not intelligence.

      When has anyone so senior done so much damage to their own party as what K Rudd has done?

      Of course I could be wrong but I think he is a con and the greatest spin artist we have ever seen. Let us at least keep an open mind and not let this assumption of great intelligence go unchallenged.

      Perhaps in time we can expose the real Kevin.

    • Johnno says:

      03:16pm | 22/02/12

      My German Shepherd is intelligent. AND LOYAL.  Hmmm I have the beginnings of an idea.

    • Wayne says:

      07:27am | 22/02/12

      i’VE GOT IT! We should merge the ALP with the Greens, and make Bob Brown PM.

    • Dieter Moeckel says:

      08:54am | 22/02/12

      What like merging the Liberals and the Nationals and having Warren Truss as PM?
      There is nothing wrong with coalition government. We’ve had it year after year with the Liberal-National coalition. Either party would be a minority government. Australians seem to be blind to that singularly important fact.
      At any time the Nationals can or could have withdrawn support in the coalition and brought the government down. The Nationals have lacked is the guts to put the collation to the test and actually do something for their own constituents. What is so different now is that the coalition partners giving Labor the government have the guts to make things their constituents want happen.

    • James in Brisbane says:

      09:00am | 22/02/12

      You’re a muppet. The pro-development, pro-land clearing, pro-big business, anti-environment Labor party hates the Greens. Labor and Liberal are much closer ideologically on population growth, immigration, land clearing, anti-farmer, pro-miner policies. Where’s the National Party in all this? Farmers are getting screwed right royally by the mining industry and the Nats sit there mutely in a corner desperate not to upset their Liberal overlords. It’s a disgrace.

    • emel says:

      07:34am | 22/02/12

      The ‘anyone but Julia’ factor is almost certainly in play, but it is also as much a reflection on the state of the media and the role it now plays in determining the course of political discourse in Australia.
      The relentless media focus on the Prime Minister’s popularity and the so called ‘effectiveness’ of Abbotts campaign from opposition instead of focusing on broader policy analysis will be judged very harshly in years to come.
      While it is true that Gillard’s time has seen many blunders, it is also true that she is steering a minority government through very hostile waters under ridiculous media scrutiny and succeeding to push through reforms due to her considerable negotiating skills.
      Rudd was knifed - for good reason.
      His popularity is a storm whipped up by the media, fuelled by the opposition and will end soon when his numbers don’t stack up, as they inevitably won’t.

    • Jane says:

      09:21am | 22/02/12

      Agree, I think Julia Gillard is the only one working in the national interest at the moment. The press is not, for sure. All idle gossip, no substance. Rudd offers no policy change, just personality and a bad one at that. So why? If they do change the press will go to work on him anyways, they have already decided to vote for the miners.

    • johnn says:

      11:49am | 22/02/12

      All of this comes as the print media continues its slide into history.
      Rupert is going full steam ahead to use whatever influence he can muster before he passes off his media to the mining barons and others who would use lies and deceit to influence public policy.
      This is a dark age for media.

    • ibast says:

      07:46am | 22/02/12

      The conservatives certainly feared him.  They ran an absolute gutter smear campaign against him.  Alan Jones even actively advocated Gillard whilst Rudd was Prime Minister.  That of course changed when she became Prime Minister and he needed to get his own puppet elected.

      The fact is Rudd was 20 points ahead of Gillard in the polls and she still formed a government.  The conservatives have been touting a Rudd comeback to undermine Gillard, but now they are scared shitless their wishes will come true.

      Personally I though him a disappointing prime minister (rather than bad).  He had a lot of opportunity and squandered it.

    • SteveKAG says:

      09:03am | 22/02/12

      OMG are you serious, now it is us conservatives fault Julia stabbed Kevin in the back and he was a disappointing PM not the worst one we have actualyl ever seen.

      You need a dose of reality ibast a serious dose of WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE.

    • ibast says:

      10:00am | 22/02/12

      OMG Steve you need to stop looking at history with rose coloured glasses.  The fact is Rudd had a massive poll lead and that was only whittled away thanks to the vitriol of scared conservative commentators.

      And it somewhat bemuses me how the conservatives try to paint him as one of the worst prime ministers.  The worst thing that happened during his tenure was the insulation affair and the fault of that was a very dubious link to the Government.  The policy wasn’t bad, just the execution.

    • SteveKAG says:

      11:04am | 22/02/12

      The execution was bad because it was bad policy.
      I started an insulation company with three business partners, i know from the inside how patheitc this government is when it comes to putting in programs like Insulation, cash for schools, NBN is anther billion $ black hole and the list is getting bigger.  Irrespective of your slant on politics this government Rudd/Gillard has been the worst government this country has seen and that is saying something considering how bad Gough was.

    • ibast says:

      11:21am | 22/02/12

      “Irrespective of your slant on politics this government Rudd/Gillard has been the worst government this country has seen and that is saying something considering how bad Gough was.”

      Brilliant irony there mate.

    • SimonFromLakemba says:

      01:24pm | 22/02/12

      SteveKAG

      “I started an insulation company with three business partners, i know from the inside how patheitc this government is when it comes to putting in programs like Insulation”

      Did you happen to start that when the Insulation scheme was announced? Like all the other unqualified people who jumped on the gravy train.

      I was in building at the time and it was a disgrace what I saw.

      Nothing made me smile more when all those companies went bust when the gravy train stopped. I felt sorry for the bloke who had been in business for 20yrs and had it ruined by some novices who stuck unqualified people in roofs.

    • ibast says:

      04:20pm | 22/02/12

      So you got a free ride from the Government for a while and you are still whining that you didn’t like the driver, because the road was a bit bumpy?

    • Dave says:

      07:48am | 22/02/12

      I don’t really remember him.. wasn’t he that guy who was always travelling the world being an arsehole to everyone?

    • SimonFromLakemba says:

      08:43am | 22/02/12

      I think that was Alexander Downer

    • james says:

      10:34am | 22/02/12

      LOL Simon. +1

    • Hank says:

      01:15pm | 22/02/12

      No no it was Gareth Evans.  He was the Labor stoog that went into a Hong Kong restaurant and ordered cat as a joke.

    • Hank says:

      02:04pm | 22/02/12

      Oh yeah here’s another one of Gareth’s fine moments:
      In 1991, during a political storm over Indonesian military violence in East Timor, in his capacity as Australia’s foreign minister, Evans defended the Indonesian military junta’s actions by describing the Dili massacre as ‘an aberration, not an act of state policy’. This was despite growing evidence (both within Australian intelligence and the international media) of increasingly violent Indonesian military efforts to protect and extend their business interests in East Timor—interests that included coffee plantations, marble mines and large oil contracts—by utilizing starvation, napalm, torture and death camps. Oil contracts that Evans himself had co-signed with the Indonesian military junta that enabled Australian companies to share with the Suharto family in what would later be established as clearly East Timor’s oil.
      And you thought Mr.A.Downer was bad.

    • SimonFromLakemba says:

      03:27pm | 22/02/12

      @Hank

      Afghanistan & Iraq

      Ill leave it there.

    • Hank says:

      07:59pm | 22/02/12

      Yeah whatever Simon.  Point is there is not much difference between your beloved ALP and the LNP as far as history is concerned.  At least I have the intelligence to realise that.  Youre just another brain washed Labor stooge who doesnt have the fortitude to look at things closely because you are blinded by your ignorance.  Do you really think Labor cares about the refugees or the Middle East you fool?  Theyre just political footballs like everyting else.  Move to Afghanastan and fight their cause if you feel so strongly about it tough guy.

    • Jason says:

      07:54am | 22/02/12

      It’s simple! a lot of people are like Rudd, that’s why they can relate to him. We aren’t all perfect like you Mark Kenny…

    • emel says:

      09:19am | 22/02/12

      Jason,
      ‘a lot of people are like Rudd’?
      what you mean is YOU are like Rudd.
      Your post makes sense to you and no-one else.
      Your attempt at sarcasm whiffs of Rudd’s ability to ‘fool around’ like a regular bloke.

    • Tom says:

      07:56am | 22/02/12

      Mr Kenny, Kevin Dudd only appears popular (at the moment) because Juliar is so unpopular.
      You are correct that people have forgotten how bad he is, but it is only because they are being blinded by their hatred for the current PM. Once Juliar is dumped, they will soon remember how KRuddy the Rudd was.
      Mind you, if the rumours surrounding Simon Crean are true there will definently be unrest. It wasn’t that long ago Simon Crean was dumped as Labor leader after less than six months because of his dismal performance!

    • MarkS says:

      07:58am | 22/02/12

      Most people are stupid. KRudd is a fake. They fail to see past the image to the stinking mess behind it. Furthermore being tricked once they are primed to be tricked again so as to prove to themselves they where not tricked the first time. People are stupid.

    • Multi Task House CEO says:

      08:05am | 22/02/12

      Popular?  Think it is media beat up.  I’m just hoping a leader will come from the Housewives Party (not yet formed)  and - we know how to cook the books as well as Gillard, Rudd, or Abbott.  And we can keep tally on the money too.

    • Blind Freddy says:

      08:20am | 22/02/12

      Rudd is not popular. It suits the media to present him that way. The poles showing that Rudd is preferred by Gillard is distorted by “trouble making” conservatives. If the option was given for preferred Leader of the Opposition I am sure that Turnbull would win over Abbott- because “trouble making” Labor-Green voters would prefer Turnbull.

      If Rudd is reinstalled the media will cut him down (again) as fast as they built him up (again).

    • Tony Vann says:

      08:33am | 22/02/12

      Kevin Rudd was the Prime Minister who took the government from John Howard - who took from the Australian Government from a safe budget surplus to a devere deficit in just 2 years. Wasting money on unwanted school buildings for the already well government funded Private and Catholic Schools at the expense of the Public Schools, not to mention the money wated on so called envoronmentally responsible Household Insulation (and the scams that came with it), the multiple hot water services for sporting clubs, and the opening of the borders for multiple thousands of illegal immigrant arrivals - not to forget the initiation of the wasted billions on the National Broadband Network, and the rest. Julia Gillard simply continued the policies Rudd implemented, and no change of face will make any difference. This Labor government under ANY of the leadership contenders will not change the money wasting and irresponsible policies of the current leadership - of which Rudd is himself a part of !

    • FWG says:

      08:41am | 22/02/12

      I tottaly agree whith Dash, got it in one

    • Gerry says:

      08:42am | 22/02/12

      Better the Devil you know than the Devil you don’t.
      Lets get a PM that does something for the people which has not happened yet.
      At least Kevin has a heart.

    • old fart says:

      09:55am | 22/02/12

      yeah but a dicky one

    • Ajax says:

      08:45am | 22/02/12

      At least our dear old Kev. Might have had the savvy to wine and dine the Australian council of churches to try and actually save a few votes?

    • NESLIHAN KUROSAWA says:

      08:47am | 22/02/12

      Hi Mark,

      I have been watching the election campaigns leading up to the Presidential Elections in USA, in November 2012. I t has been very colorful and interesting to say the least.  Americans surely know how to do every thing so much better and bigger than the rest of the world.

      I have also discovered to my pleasant surprise, that some of the tactics, negative smear campaigns, making degrading comments about opposing factions, would only serve as a band aid solution to more serious issues and concerns by the potential voters and only for a while!

      I am very surprised that no one truly gets that sort of thinking.  Can anyone really under estimate the intelligence of the Australian Voters.  I can also sense of bitterness on the part of the Liberal Party and its MP’s such as Ms Sophie Mirabella?  And why?  Surely if the Liberal Party is all up to scratch, then they are bound to win the next elections, may be?

      How about a change of attitude and making clear cut policies of their own, for a change?  Because all this name calling is not very pleasant and getting very old.  I am also wondering if female MP’s can actually call each other names, without being held responsible for their actions what so ever?

      I am guessing that it isn’t sexist coming from another woman.  I certainly find it very distasteful and childish to say the least. I am also curious, if it is more about the feeling of being untouchable as well as the comforting feeling which actually comes with political immunity.  Kind regards to your editors.

    • Joel B1 says:

      08:54am | 22/02/12

      Who can forgive the ALP love-ins? The celeb driven ads? And the litany of failed or just plain stupid, but always costly ideas?

      On the other hand, who can forgive the back-stabbing of a popular PM by his most loyal deputy?

      ALP supporters have got exactly what they vote for.

    • Willy Lopez says:

      08:55am | 22/02/12

      Come now, Gillard, Abbott or Rudd?... It’s a no-brainer. Not because he’s so loveable, he’s just clearly better than what’s currently on offer. More brains, more personality (albeit nerdy and awkward), more conviction, more honesty. He’s a control freak though and that would have to change in the slim chance he gets another shot at PM.

      P.S. Dash: There’s so much bs in your rant I don’t even know where to begin… “communist tax manifesto”?... “forced” Telstra to sell? I despair.

    • Bob says:

      10:23am | 22/02/12

      “more conviction” - Remember the “moral challenge of our generation” that he walked away from as soon as it became a little difficult? So much for conviction.

    • Alex says:

      08:58am | 22/02/12

      Bringing Rudd back will not solve the ALP problems, and as was mentioned before, the policy changes he made to overturn the good work Howard did still haunt us today, and a great example is the boat people policy.
      It wa also Rudd who tried to bring in the mining tax and the carbon pricing into Australia, Gillard just put the last nail in the coffin for us.
      Remember it is not the individual who makes the decisions, it is the ALP, changing the face will not change how ALP works, and the current situation in parliament, as Rudd will also have to make the Greens and independants happy.
      Do add to that, the independants all have private deals with Gillard (that’s how she got the top job), she sold out to get power, and if she goes, I doubt the independants will get their private deals honoured, and it will be chaos.
      The best known model to work so far is to have Conservatives in Federal, and Labor in State. This model worked for years.

    • antman says:

      03:30pm | 22/02/12

      You’re presuming that the mining tax is bad policy. I am one of a huge number of Australians who believe that those who dig up our finite resurces and ship them off with minimal, if any, local value-adding, should pay a premium to the nation for that privilege, especially in times of windfall profits. Once those resources are gone, they’re gone. What do we replace the wealth stream with? The mining companies won’t step up to the plate to help transform the economy (nor will other companies, who only look at quarterly profits). It is up to Governments to do this and they nedd money, lots of it, to do so.

      The independents may have private deals, much like the deal between the Liberals and Nationals or any players in minority or coalition governments in scores of countries around the world, including Australia in bygone years (and I am not only referring tot he current arrangements between Liberals and Nationals). I happens everywhere, so why should Australia be any different?

    • Dieter Moeckel says:

      08:59am | 22/02/12

      So many experts and so little fact! So much opinion and so little wisdom!
      Welded-on media lemmings!
      Vicarious orgasmatrons.
      Every one of them more obscene and disrespectful than the Kevin Rudd video clip.

    • Erick says:

      09:14am | 22/02/12

      @Dieter Moeckel - Don’t take the brown acid.

    • GB says:

      09:47am | 22/02/12

      And all we’ve seen from you is nothing but hot air and pithy catchphrases Dieter. Maybe if there was a shred of substance in anything you posted people might actually give 2 shits what you had to say. At the moment, they’re just laughing at what a flog you are.

    • VS says:

      09:01am | 22/02/12

      Rudd isn’t popular. Gillard is actively disliked by the majority of the electorate, which is what makes him appear more appealing. However, the reports of his manners to staff and when not in the public eye also mark him as one who throws tantrums in the manner of a three-year-old. Neither Rudd or Gillard are suited to the high office of Prime Minister. The other potential candidates seem to be very quiet at this time. However, it is certain that at the end of this mess, it is probable that there would be a surprise.

    • David I. says:

      09:03am | 22/02/12

      Part of his popularity may be due to him having being knifed in the back and deposed by a low life such as Gillard. He is a total nerd and blew the course as Prime Minister big time, no doubt about that but, the fact remains that Gillard has proven to be the worse PM in the history of this country. She is wooden, inflexible, arrogant, conceited, untrustworthy, determined, egotistical, has the most droning nasal voice a woman could have, appears to be nothing more than a backstabber. She has been an experiment, orchestrated by the faceless men behind Labor that went terribly wrong. it is not because she is a woman, it’s simply because she is useless.

    • InciteInsightOz says:

      09:17am | 22/02/12

      “KRudd’s our PM? Oh, well can’t get any worse…” how wrong we were!  The catch-phrases endure!  If this dictator is allowed another term, I’m forming my own principality - Australia 2.0. 

      Bring on the next election - the only thing that will save your party, Labour, is the very same that will remove your last shred of legitimacy - KRudd.. 

      Some were stupid enough to vote you in once, silly enough to trust the greens on a second occasion; but we have learnt what you are really about and that kind of thing doesn’t even belong in Wales, unlike our PM.

    • Davy says:

      09:17am | 22/02/12

      Well I must be out of touch. Had no idea he actually ‘was’ popular. The hundreds of people I talk with and the bloggs I read must be out of touch too.

    • Anna C says:

      09:18am | 22/02/12

      “Why is this man so popular?”

      Because he isn’t Julia Gillard that’s why. Right now I’d take anyone over Julia.

    • Against the Man says:

      09:49am | 22/02/12

      That is right. And the ALP know that is what most voters want but they are stuck between a rock and a hard place. Next week should be fun because either way Gillard loses smile

    • Over It says:

      09:18am | 22/02/12

      Wow I just want to say WHO CARES?????? The leadership issues and most of the reason the “government” seems to overpower the news every single day in this country appears to be in the “trial by media” category.  Relentlessly reporting on absolutely nothing, worrying a a scratch until it becomes a festering sore.  The media talk about this all day long (especially on Sky) like the future of the world depends on this.  I have never been more over politics than I am now and soon I’ll be over the media.  Go and get some real news to report on it!  This kind of rubbish journalism is befitting of Woman’s Day or New Idea.  How do we call the media to account??? We don’t - they just get to feed the public rubbish everyday and create whatever agenda they want.

    • Fred says:

      09:19am | 22/02/12

      I think he’s popular with the spiv Labor voters who have a vested interest in property, he upped immigration to obscene levels, and made property 20% or so dearer, after getting a lot of votes for housing affordability. So he is very much a liar.

      Also they are clueless or don’t care about his rotten leadership style and can’t see a tyrant if they ran into one. Or they just don’t care. Having such a vested interest in property makes them tyrants themselves.

    • Tom of Brisbane says:

      09:20am | 22/02/12

      I believe there is another factor that was completely overlooked by this article. The reason people feel ‘sorry’ for Rudd and think he’s been hardly done by was because he was ousted by Labour Party heavies.

      While it’s true that the Australian Constitution makes no reference of the position of Prime Minister, it has been a long accepted tradition that when it comes time for an election, you’re voting for a party and a leader. In my opinion, the people of Australia were pi$$ed off with the Government that they could change leader mid cycle, just because he was polling badly.

      It may have been the case that he had fallen out of favour with the people, but this is what an election is for, not for the Labour Party to decide based on the polls of the time and their own political ideologies.

    • john says:

      09:21am | 22/02/12

      Kevin gave us pink batts, $900 splash cash, more boats, and back peddled global warming policy, and mining resource rent tax, tens of billions of dollars of NBN that many wont see in their lifetime AND splashed out cash for school and other projects all over Australia - spent the lot PLUS he threw in his tantrums and speciiciicifitifitiesies as red herrings. Don’t forget the grandest of all stupidity “I want a big Australia 50 million people, whilst farmers were committing suicide at record numbers from one of the harshest droughts in living memory at the time. Whilst he himself surely must hold the record for the biggest carbon footprint in Australia, and the size of it.

      Just WOW that people want him back.


      Julia gave us even more boats, detention centres packed to the rafters, mining tax, AND flood tax AND carbon tax. AND fluffed it up and re-marketed it as a re-jigged resource rent tax,  carbon price, and flood levy. {sounds nicer}.

      She lied, I hate liars, but the reality of being PM set in didn’t it? The rest of the world will turn out like Australia - eventually, so perhaps she thought…........

      BUT you want 3 cars in your drive way? -pay up for the sinking mess they leave behind.

      You want a MAC MANSION - pay up.

      You want your landfill junk you buy and want those goods made in china, pay up for that to happen. The materials have to be dug up. The materials to power industry also have to be dug up.

      You want consumerism- pay up.

      You want those those touch screens made with blood that slave child labor digs up those rare earth minerals with their bare hands in third world countries that your spoilt brat uses at your morally correct private well to do school that I’m funding.  Pay up you mongrels.

      http://www.wired.com/magazine/2011/02/ff_joelinchina/all/1

      You want to come to Australia, survive the boat trip? because you decided to jump the que for economic reasons, straight to an overcrowded detention and stay there. and wait…..and wait…and wait.


      This country has changed alot in just the last 20 years, Given the above circumstances, given the disgusting sloths, given the filthy greedy over indulging pigs the majority of us have become. i.e cheap consumer whores, that statistically we are the fatest nation on the planet. I think we should pay for the privilege.  In that respect Julia is doing a good job.

      She is trying to save the majority of us from ourselves, but I don’t think she will win. A country’s economic prosperity comes at a huge human cost, we will eat, drink, smoke more amongst many other things, in turn other things like cancers will increase.

      It just may be the first generation that will out-live their fat kids.

      I think we are pissing our prosperity in the wind, so to speak.Nothing saved for a rainy day, Nothing for the future.

    • ajax says:

      09:22am | 22/02/12

      I really dont know, reading all this its probably an even split.Now is this what we deserve,Abbott gets plastered, Rudd ,Crean, Gillard and any other names thrown in are ALL considered nonsense, who actually does what and where without shooting themselves in the foot, there are at least two matters being investigated by Federal police and other parties are these people ALSO dumber than dumb?

    • Patrick says:

      09:23am | 22/02/12

      I feel that what is going on now is that the ALP will lose the next election regardless of whether is Gillard or Rudd at the helm the question remains now is by how much. Trust me all Labor MP’s in marginal seats would be quaking in their boots and majority will be out of a job by November 2013 at the latest. So of course they are looking to increase there chances of re-election even if only by a small chance. It is a shame Labor safe seats are held by factional puppets and political lightweights.

    • Jai Gibbs says:

      09:29am | 22/02/12

      The answer is easy, look at the tags on both these so called leaders, is there ONE single positive comment? Ditch them both, change governement, let Abbot cut his own throat, and give the party time to train up a replacement for the next couple of years. This has turned into a popularity test not a test of competency for a leader of this country. search google for: shame shame shame book and add you own thoughts and hope that at least one politician can spare the time to read it and take the truth back to their party, it doesm’t matter if they don’t, all labour ministers will loose their jobs soon anyway, and they have no one to blame but themselves for supporting incompetenc.

    • Trude says:

      09:39am | 22/02/12

      I know many of you are going to disagree with me, but the question is, why is he so popular, and I’ll answer as someone who likes Kevin Rudd.

      I’m sure Kevin Rudd lies, everyone does to an extent, but he doesn’t blatantly lie, it’s not lie after bloody lie, like some pollies.

      He’s socially awkward and many of you think that should make him less popular, but some of us have become wary of the polished politician, spinning polished words and promises.

      He’s got a temper, that’s bad and good. On the bad side it shows lack of emotional control, on he good side it’s honest. I would rather someone honestly be pissed off at me, than pretend all is well and rubbish me behind my back.

      He makes mistakes and owns up to them. I don’t want someone pretending to be perfect, everyone makes mistakes. What I want is someone being honest when they do.

      From a female point of view, he’s one of he more attractive pollies, let’s face it, politics doesn’t usually attract good looking types.

      Kevin Rudd is clearly highly intelligent, surely anyone can see the advantages of that?

      He’s very good with people face-to-face, despite his awkwardness, people take a shine to him, that’s a good thing to have in a leader.

      He’s certain of what he thinks, not in an arrogant way like Howard, and not as a factional representative like Gillard.

      It’s not about forgetting the past, I’ve always liked Kevin Rudd.

      I won’t be voting for Gillard. I even sent emails to her and her supporters telling them so. Last election I voted Green, like most who did so, I did it to punish the Labor party for it’s actions. That’s why they had to strike deals to retain power. Next election if that backstabbing witch is still in power I will vote Liberal, hopefully others will too, her and her ilk can be shoved out the door.

      P.S My favourite Labor leaders were Hawke and Beasley, not that Beasley got to lead the party for long.

    • JMJ says:

      10:08am | 22/02/12

      Gosh so mature…you obviously take you politics very seriously voting for a person and not policies.

      And, it Beazley with a z not an s.

    • Geoff says:

      10:43am | 22/02/12

      I’m sorry… KRudd is an egotistical lying hypocrite.  if I was in his electorate he’d never get my vote.  As a long time student of Australian politics, i gotta tell you…  you are soooo wrong.

      “I’m sure Kevin Rudd lies, everyone does to an extent, but he doesn’t blatantly lie, it’s not lie after bloody lie, like some pollies.”  Kevin is one of the most dishonest Pollies I can think of… before he was even in federal politics he was involved in the Heiner Affair, before he was PM he lied about the AWB and made wild claims about “blood money” and he knew how business was done in the Middle East and still lied.  The list goes on and on.

      “He’s socially awkward and many of you think that should make him less popular, but some of us have become wary of the polished politician, spinning polished words and promises.”  Face it he’s a sociopath, I suggest you look it up.  He’s also a bigger spinner than any other politician I know.  Not to mention his inflated mangling if the English Language.

      “He’s got a temper, that’s bad and good. On the bad side it shows lack of emotional control, on he good side it’s honest. I would rather someone honestly be pissed off at me, than pretend all is well and rubbish me behind my back.”  He’s just an immature narcissist.

      “He makes mistakes and owns up to them. I don’t want someone pretending to be perfect, everyone makes mistakes. What I want is someone being honest when they do.”  You think?  He is neither honest nor open.  He only admits to mistakes when he cant blame someone else or is caught red-handed.

      “From a female point of view, he’s one of he more attractive pollies, let’s face it, politics doesn’t usually attract good looking types.”  Cant say, but if I was a woman he wouldn’t be my type.

      “Kevin Rudd is clearly highly intelligent, surely anyone can see the advantages of that?”  Ok, Kevin is bright, but being bright doesn’t excuse him from all his faults.  In fact it just compounds it.  Oh and its seems his Chinese language skills only annoyed the Chinese, that is not an advantage for us.

      “He’s very good with people face-to-face, despite his awkwardness, people take a shine to him, that’s a good thing to have in a leader.”  Really.  guess they never got the chance to meet the real Kevin then eh.

      “He’s certain of what he thinks, not in an arrogant way like Howard, and not as a factional representative like Gillard.”  LOL…  not in an arrogant way…  now that is an opinion of a fan.  Kevin has no friends to be in a faction…  ever wonder why?

      “It’s not about forgetting the past, I’ve always liked Kevin Rudd.”  Really?  Why?

      “I won’t be voting for Gillard. I even sent emails to her and her supporters telling them so. Last election I voted Green, like most who did so, I did it to punish the Labor party for it’s actions. That’s why they had to strike deals to retain power. Next election if that backstabbing witch is still in power I will vote Liberal, hopefully others will too, her and her ilk can be shoved out the door.”  Do you live in her seat?  By voting Green dear all you did was punish the rest of us.  Thanks.

      “P.S My favourite Labor leaders were Hawke and Beasley, not that Beasley got to lead the party for long. ”  So you are basically a rusted-on?  Ever consider voting for a party not of the Left?

    • Jason says:

      11:19am | 22/02/12

      Trude.  Your post is well thought out and your comments are measured.  I would have to agree with you with your assessment on Rudd to a point.  Where I don’t agree is that Rudd stopped selling his policies, ETS, Mining Tax about 5 months before he lost his job.  Because of his attitude he appeared arrogant and aloof.  Now this may have been because of his inclination to micro manage every detail of Government and therefore not consulting his ministers.  This resulted in information was not forth coming from the Government to support major bills as the ETS and Carbon tax.  Gillard was drafted into the position as Rudd was not communicating the message to the electorate.  It is sad that you say that you would vote for Tony Abbott.  If the man stood for something other than his own quest for the keys to the Lodge at least that would be something.

    • Trude says:

      12:41pm | 22/02/12

      @JMJ If you only vote for the policies, without considering the person, you may find that all of the policies were a lie. Of necessity you must consider the person and their trustworthiness. If Gillard will stab a comrade in the back without hesitation, what makes you think she won’t stan an anonymous public in the back???

      @John Chris Pyne is too young, he’s still a baby, I’m no dirty old woman :p

      @ Geoff, yes I have considered voting not left, I’ve even done so previously and would again under either of the two following scenarios, if Gillard is still leader of Labor at the next election. or B if Liberal get better polices than Labor

      @ Jason, I don’t want to vote for Abbott, he’s got nothing, but if Gillard is still leading Labor then I will vote to remove Labor.

    • Geoff says:

      09:41am | 22/02/12

      Why is Kevin liked?  I have no idea, I’ve always disliked him, but then being a political “animal” I’ve always known about him, and he’s earned my disrespect.

      A dishonest, hypocritical,rude, egotistical, lying, w…..r.  That’s Kevin.

      I don’t care who the ALP leader is.  If it’s Julia I will vote her out to get rid of this incompetent, bad government.  if it’s Kevin I will take great pleasure in finally getting the opportunity I was deprived of and to vote him out, by not voting for the ALP.

    • Malleeringneck says:

      09:51am | 22/02/12

      Rudd isn’t popular with me. I think he is a clown.
      Having said that and having no love for the Labor party, Gillard’s biggest mistake was not getting rid of Rudd completely after she knifed him in the back. A bad mistake to even have him in parliament, she should have offered him an overseas posting to not stand at the last election, but then that is just one of countless mistakes by Gillard.

    • GB says:

      10:26am | 22/02/12

      She was between a rock and a hard place though. She had to appease Rudd’s every wish or she wouldn’t have won a seat up here. As it was, Swan only won his own seat on Green preferences. The problem with offering him an overseas posting not to stand would have been had she not been able to form Government. That would have left him with nothing as the Libs certainly weren’t going to honour any such deal. Even now, in spite of hers and her supporters bluster, he still has her over a barrel. I’ve got no doubt if she demotes him, he’ll just resign and force a by-election which they’d get decimated in.

    • The Other Martin says:

      10:01am | 22/02/12

      Elmer Fudd is very likeable. He is fun, silly and amusing. And the way he says “Wascally Wabbit” has me in stitches every time!

    • Heather says:

      10:16am | 22/02/12

      Kevin was elected by the people not a caucus - he is applauded overseas because of his insight and wisdom in promoting the stimulus package when things went crazy world wide in 2008.  I believe he has learnt to be a team player but he is actually a visionary and as such is always going to think outside the box - thank goodness.  Go Kev hope ya get back - you certainly have my vote.

    • Geoff says:

      11:23am | 22/02/12

      No that isn’t right.
      he was only elected by people in his electorate.
      he was made leader by the caucus…  that IS how it works.
      The treasury advised a stimulus package not Kevin he took their advice actually Wayne took their advice and the government acted on it.
      kevin is just a naughty little boy…  he is not the messiah

    • splash says:

      12:17pm | 22/02/12

      Geoff,
      It does not matter
      Gillard will always be perceived by the People as not being an elected P.M.
      Also the fact remains that at the last election, labor under gillard lost the big majority they had and she actually lost by 1 seat 73 libs 72 lab.
      This fact will tell you that she will definately lose the next election especially with all the turmoil thats been going on and that she lied about the carbon tax.
      Labor could win the next election if they change leaders, Make a Media public apology to the Australian People and then back it up with the axeing of the carbon tax.
      That would be a Ballsie move , but only that will get them over the line.

      p.s the next election will see a big wipeout of the independants and Bobs greens.

    • james says:

      03:35pm | 22/02/12

      72 seats each

      Tony Crook is not affiliated with the LNP coalition.

      Labor won the 2PP

    • Craig says:

      10:21am | 22/02/12

      Give the guy a break - He is by far the best option avail. Leadership is journey that takes time to master. Keven has the qualities and didnt quite get the opportunity to develop into the high calibre leader he is capable of being. He has a far greater capacity than either Gillard or Abbott to become the strong leader this country needs. Given the shape of the world economy he didnt do that badly - granted could have done better - however Australia is still in better shape that much bigger economies. Smashes Abbott & Gillard in the Leadership competancy stakes. He is not after power & status in my view. He is genuine and wants to perfect himself as a Leader. The others are followers in Leadership positions. There is a big difference. It will be a missed oportunity if the does not get another crack & in 4 years time we will all be saying the same crap about whoever is in the hot seat. He deserves another crack and will be a far better PM second time round.

    • samantha says:

      10:26am | 22/02/12

      Rudd’s so called popularity?  Have you ever tried to tell your teenager or your best friend that the person they are attracted to is a fake?  Sometimes you have to let things run their course.  I believe that this was happening with PM Rudd.  If his Prime Ministership had run its course and he had gone to the next election the people would have made their decision one way or another, but it would have been THEIR decision.  The Labor boofheads took that away from the public by replacing him with Ms Gillard.
      The voters are still angry, hence they poll that they prefer Rudd to the person who robbed them of their chance to have their say.

    • splash says:

      11:58am | 22/02/12

      Also took the carbon tax vote from the people.
      But the people will now decide the fate of this tax at the next election.

    • Robert S McCormick says:

      11:05am | 22/02/12

      Rudd’s popularity has little to nothing to do with politicis. One of the main chraracteristics of Australians is their belief in giving someone a “Fair Go”.
      Remember MPs always claim they pay no attention to them & that there is only one Poll which counts: The one a election time - so have all revealed themselves as psychopathic, habitual liars. A few of thoses unimportant polls went against Rudd & the ALP. Just as Liberal John Olsen in SA did when he usurped the Premiership of SA held by Dean Brown, the ALP decided,( or was it Julia Gillard’s over-riding ambition which did it?) oh-so-stupidly as it turn out, to move against Rudd. Led by the unelected almost faceless union boss Paul Howes, supported by Gillard, Swan & the increasingly touchy Bill Shorten they politically assassinated Kevin Rudd. The person solely responsible for leading the ALP less than 3 years before to a resounding win over the Coalition. He had a majority of 18. The next Federal Election was due in November 2010. The voters usually give a Government at least two terms in office. There was a good chance Rudd would lead the ALP into that second term.That,the nothing if not ambitious, Gillard could not allow, for to do so would have meant she would have to wait until under her leadership from 2013 as Opposition leader she would have to wait until, at least, the 2019 Federal Election to get a crack at the top job & even then she was guaranteed the job - particularly if the Coalition won a 3rd Term.
      We simply don’t like the way the ALP, Gillard, Shorten & Swan in particular, treated Kevin Rudd. They did not give him a fair go. Rudd had been involved in the poltical arena for many years. he had held a very senior position within the Queensland Public Service. His control-freakism, his demanding those under him actually work & work very hard, his almost obsessvive-compulsive Work Ethic would have been, if not around Australia, certainly within Queensland & the nameless, faceless women & men running the ALP very, very well known. They knew what they were getting when they elected him to parliament. They knew what they were getting when they elected him Leader. They knew what he would be like as Prime Minister.
      This entire fiasco was created by, for & of Julia Gillard. It make no difference how decent a person she is away from politics. She created the current mess as a direct result of her over-riding ambition. She could have been a very popular, successful Prime Minister is she had only been patient. Who knows she may have been the first Opposition Leader, since 1949, to toss a sitting Coalition government out after one term & become PM in 2016.
      Its all about a “Fair Go” & this was denied Rudd.

    • GW says:

      11:11am | 22/02/12

      @John - at last some perspective on the whole thing. We are a whinging lot, never content or happy with what we have, always wanting and expecting more. Our lives lack true substance so we try to fill our voids with consumer goods and services. We want the most for the least possible price and effort.

      We live in a blame culture - it’s always someone else’s fault and personal accountability is rare.  Yes governments make mistakes and this one is making plenty.

      Politics suck. The people you vote in are promising miracles they aren’t necessarily capable of delivering them. They sell hope they know they can’t deliver. The backroom boys club pulls the puppet strings, personal agendas get in the way of good policy and decisions. No one can deny it’s a hard gig, trying to juggle all those balls while having to deal with knives in the back.

      The world is in turmoil and events are without precedent. And meanwhile the schoolyard antics continue. Looking at all the major players, I don’t see one that stands out as a future steward and leader of Australia. Abbott is as bad as Rudd and Gillard. None of them inspire confidence, none of them have true leadership skills or the ability to rally the troops and their minions in a common vision. They posture and perform cheap tricks. No genuineness, no real credentials, ill equipped to handle their own party and policies, let alone lead a nation. And the backroom boys keep churning out distractions thru the media to the masses, protecting their own arses and paid jobs.

      I suspect it will be a poor decision to replace Gillard right now with anyone. It suggests that polls are running our country and we need a government to be absolutely focused on running this ship through the most turbulent of times (with more to come).

      It’s a pity leaders are elected through factions and party politics to be put up for us to choose between, rather than be shortlisted and interviewed as you would for a job that requires specific skills, experience, knowledge and personal attributes. New world order maybe…mmmm

    • ZaSaMa says:

      11:51am | 22/02/12

      Meanwhile our “envy of the world” economy has seen a 48% rise in small business failures in the last 12 months alone. Just confirms what all of us who aren’t rusted on ALP hacks already knew in terms of the 2 speed economy. Talk about smoke and mirrors. But of course we’ll keep pumping billions of taxpayer dollars into an ailing and non-competitive automotive industry which is already on life support, just to appease our union buddies. Absolutely disgusting but what’s the bet this is somehow Tony Abbott’s fault.

    • Jason says:

      01:09pm | 22/02/12

      It was actually 730am Washington time, I do wish that Chris Kenny got his facts right.

    • Liam says:

      03:00pm | 22/02/12

      The guy who wrote this half-arsed column is a director of the National Press Club? Not a great sign. Personally, I don’t have a problem with Kevin Rudd working hard. If you’re going to condemn our PM for ‘packing too much into each day’, I’d urge you to find yourself a new career. Not exactly the fourth pillar personified. I give Rudd credit for being so passionate about fighting climate change and introducing an MRT. Gillard watered his mining tax down for safe passage; she’s a ‘good politician’, but Rudd is a leader. Granted, he became too controlling as leader and burnt a few caucus bridges before his knifing, but as he said, you’d be a mug if you didn’t learn something. I like Julia Gillard, but I voted for Rudd at the last election and I’d like to see him contest the next election. They are both nice people, but Kevin Rudd 2.0 would make the better PM, in my opinion.

    • Tony Rabbitt says:

      04:52pm | 22/02/12

      the Liberal leadership Challenge will come after Easter and The Labor leadership Challenge

 

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