Why broke blokes stay tied to their mother’s yoke

Colin says:

03:43pm | 14/08/12

Which one is he..?

John says:

03:31pm | 14/08/12

I’m sure you want to run the guys life instead. Stay at home with mum, because there are heaps of female predators out there looking for a victim for their own selfish reasons. Men are basically like female bag accessories, easily replaced and an easy way to fuel her materialistic addictions. Bottom line men are simply hand bags with a lot of financial credit to be taken from it. That’s the sad truth men don’t seem to get.

amy says:

03:51pm | 14/08/12

huh..what?

I think its trying to talk but all I can hear is gibberish

Jack says:

03:53pm | 14/08/12

Do you have some kind of MRE subreddit where I can read more about these predatory females and/or Ladder Theory? I would like to learn the sacred art of responding to someone’s internet post with an unrelated rant and an attack on their character based on my own sad preconceptions about women.

Bitter, and then some.

Colin says:

03:57pm | 14/08/12

@John 03:31pm | 14/08/12
“...Bottom line men are simply hand bags with a lot of financial credit to be taken from it. That’s the sad truth men don’t seem to get….”

Jeez. Bitter much?

George says:

04:15pm | 14/08/12

“Looked after”? Doing a bit of washing, ironing, and cooking and paying a few bills? When did this sort of thing deserve a nobel prize or become the equivalent of being a brain surgeon? Seems to me this is how stupid people give themselves some self esteem because they’re incapable of doing anything truly difficult.

His mum could be just nice and normal. Like most people. She looks like it.

Drama Queen says:

04:42pm | 14/08/12

I bet John’s a hoot in a relationship ...

Disfunctional much ?

GigaStar says:

04:46pm | 14/08/12

Awwhhh little Johnny stays at home so his mummy can protect him from all those big, bad, nasty women.

Laura says:

05:10pm | 14/08/12

I think John has Mummy issues and no woman will ever compare…

John, please continue to hate women, we really don’t want you to breed.

John says:

05:13pm | 14/08/12

It’s not bitterness, it’s my assessment. I’m not stating all are like this, but the majority are. The male intentions of a relationship is nearly all sincere, but a woman’s is not entirely sincere. The majority of women either know what they are doing or just self deceiving themselves.

For the women a male is always something that needs to be on her side, this why there are countless boyfriends and husbands. For a man it’s either someone special or nobody at all. Women also want to maintain a social status, men want to live in caves. This why women will go after men with status and power, as it then becomes her image also. The materialistic nature, selfish and narcissistic attitude of women implies that women have not evolved spiritually evolved yet.

Rose says:

07:25pm | 14/08/12

I don’t know anything about you John except that you seriously need to get out more, you clearly have no idea how people in the real world work!

acotrel says:

07:50am | 15/08/12

@John
’ Bottom line men are simply hand bags with a lot of financial credit to be taken from it. That’s the sad truth men don’t seem to get. ‘

Most of us do it for sex, but a lot of us know when the exploitation is over the top.  Like when it is time for the kids to grow up and make their way in the world, but they stay at home.  When I got married, that was NOT part of the deal ! I did not get married to bring up bludgers. My responsibility ended when they became educated well-rounded adults, as capable of making their way in the world as I am.
And what about the kids who stay at home, save up and go overseas on holiday ?  Whose holiday are they having ?

Daemon says:

08:56am | 15/08/12

@John - welcome back Erick. Great to see you again.

Jack says:

03:36pm | 14/08/12

That’s what happens when you ingrain kids with battler logic like ‘rent money is dead money’. They think they have to spend half a million dollars on a 1br dogbox before they leave home.

Baloo says:

03:49pm | 14/08/12

Well it didn’t work on me, being 20 and renting..
Or just about anybody I know my age.

Markus says:

04:00pm | 14/08/12

@Jack, glad I’m not the only one who doesn’t see a whole lot of freedom in signing up to a mortgage you will unable to pay off for 40+ years.

M says:

04:17pm | 14/08/12

I was told rent money is dead money too, Was still out at 19.

That said, with prices the way they are, I can see why some would stay back a few years to put a deposit together.

Elphaba says:

04:28pm | 14/08/12

@Jack, well said. It’s not dead money if it’s a roof over your head.  I certainly won’t complain about being warm and dry at night, even if it’s swallowing a large chunk of my pay.

Chris L says:

04:16pm | 14/08/12

“Why is everyone so keen to judge?” - for the endorphins.

Bitten says:

09:18pm | 14/08/12

“Why is everyone so keen to judge?” - for the endorphins

Snap. And then some.

TracyH says:

09:58am | 15/08/12

Interesting comment about house sharing…the thing is, many people don’t realise that staying with their parents is a house sharing nightmare too…for the parents .

Overall, though…I don’t think it’s a bad thing if the young ones actually appreciate the opportunity, and not treat it as some sort of expectation.

CJ Johnson says:

09:53am | 15/08/12

Not necessarily. It’s possible he has a part time job somewhere, as well as volunteering.

I work 20 hours a week part-time (sometimes more, depending on how shifts work out). If you consider that 20 hours is only about 3 full-days work, it’s possible that he works three days, goes to tafe one or two days, and volunteers for two days. Or any combination of the three.

In a year of what I work, I make anywhere between 25-30 thousand dollars (again, depending on how many casual hours or public holidays I work). 10 grand is easily saved in a year, if you’re careful with how you spend your money.

n_dude says:

04:07pm | 14/08/12

Sounds a lot like my sister….

Swingdog says:

04:08pm | 14/08/12

He’s called an Italian.

acotrel says:

07:40am | 15/08/12

‘Considering the cost of housing, if your parents are fine with it I see no problem with someone staying at home a bit longer to build up their savings.’

I think it is hilarious, but I’m not picking up the tab !  Nice work if you can get it !  When you’ve saved up your deposit you can put it down on a house and get assistance from C*ntlink !  What do the aborigines do?  Do they stay at home with Mumsie, and Daddy-poo ?
Ever heard of working for a living ?  If you don’t like the house prices, move to a country town.

M says:

08:09am | 15/08/12

Not everyone is employable in a country town.

Daemon says:

09:52am | 15/08/12

Actually he doesn’t want another woman in his life. He wants a man. That may be interesting if it eventuates.

amy says:

03:53pm | 14/08/12

you know the whole “only want equality when it suits them” thing?

that applies to the white man more often I think

its a tough world for everyone

and brevik was motivated by insanity and his “belifes”

Jack says:

03:58pm | 14/08/12

That certainly explains why the workforce is 90% women. Genius.

Your rant about betas, HSMs and other lame PUA/MRE trash is both heartwarming and hilarious.  And trying to link this to a massacre by a racist paranoid douchebag as if he were running around the island screaming TAKE THAT, HB9! because of ‘feminism’ was pure class.

You just got negged, son.

George says:

04:10pm | 14/08/12

I agree political correctness makes life a lot harder for males these days.

However it is mainly the property bubble. High house prices propped up by the government by First Home Vendor’s Grants and Boosts, stamp duty exemptions, too much immigration(about 250k per year), very loose FIRB laws which allow rich Chinese to buy our property and property owners(nimbys) preventing development at the council level.

And yeah, add to that if you do manage to get it together you could lose the lot in a flash thanks to divorce laws favouring women.

The best party to vote for to fix this corrupt mess is the Stable Population Party. They don’t plan to do anything about PC but they will reduce immigration to a more sensible 80k per year or so.

Swingdog says:

04:11pm | 14/08/12

From girls doing better at school to a Norwegian massacre - that’s some bow you’re drawing there.

Slothy says:

04:14pm | 14/08/12

Yes Richard. We’re lining up to rationally debate how feminism caused Anders Brevik to murder 76 teenagers.

Troll harder.

M says:

04:16pm | 14/08/12

Amy, Jack,  you haven’t addressed any of his arguments.

Brevik isn’t insane either. Misguided maybe, but insanity means something particular in a courtroom.

M says:

04:31pm | 14/08/12

Or, we could get off our asses and…

Yeah, let’s cast lost votes at another one issue party that’ll never be taken seriously.

Rose says:

04:55pm | 14/08/12

The only men who are struggling because women are now firmly ensconced in the workplace are those who would have struggled in a male dominated workplace anyway.They are the people sitting on their arse blaming every one else for their inability to climb the ranks instead of taking a good look at themselves, sorting out their work ethic and working toward qualifications needed to move forward.
Boys struggling at school is also not because girls are doing better, it is because not enough men chose to be teachers (not enough pay and not respected enough as professionals) and also because boys are often reluctant to appear nerdy and uncool, among probably a dozen other reasons.
Feminism is not to blame for your problems Richard, YOU ARE!!

Jack says:

05:18pm | 14/08/12

He didn’t have a point to address. He had a bunch of baseless assertions.

* for an undefined job with undefined criteria with only two applicants, women will get it 90% of the time. 
* women are ‘hypergamous’ because the internet said so
* men value youth and beauty, women value wealth and status
* gen y males cant get a job because women took 90% of them and therefore they can’t get a girlfriend because feminism
* not being able to get a girlfriend leads to politically motivated spree killings

I think I gave his ‘points’ all the respect and examination they deserved.

PsychoHyena says:

09:30pm | 14/08/12

@Rose, actually the main reason for there being a shortage of male teachers is the increased risk of a student taking offence over poor marks or they get into more trouble or whatever and turning around and accusing said male teacher of any number of improprieties which permanently damages the career prospects of the male teacher regardless of the results of the resulting investigation.

Why run that risk when you could go into another field and not face those issues?

Richard says:

10:24am | 15/08/12

I would like to address your run down of my points one by one, and provide evidence to show you where I am coming from:

I didn’t say 90% of the workforce are women, I said that for Gen Y (and only Gen Y), women are favoured over men in the workplace. (The “9 times out of 10” bit was hyperbole, I didn’t think that needed to be explained).

This report here concurs: https://www.amp.com.au/wps/amp/au/FileProxy?vigurl=/vgn-ext-templating/fileMetadataInterface?ids=abdef5e65e8c2210VgnVCM10000083d20d0aRCRD

It states: “According to the statistics, it(...‘s) a dream run for Gen Y women. They are better qualified than their male counterparts. Forty-six per cent have post-school qualifications compared to 42 per cent of male Gen Ys and they also enjoy higher employment rates.”

Further down: “Gen Y ”post-feminist” generation of women are now doing better than their male peers….. the unemployment rate of Gen Y men is today higher than that of Gen Y women.”

“27 per cent of employed Gen Y women occupied jobs as professionals or associate professionals. In contrast, only 20 per cent of employed Gen Y men (a)re professionals or associate professionals.”

Young men have been stripped of opportunities in the modern economy. Most of the jobs for low educated men have been out-sourced to Asia, whilst most of the jobs for high educated men are being snapped up by women (who have more qualifications because the school system is geared in their favour). Of course, I’m speaking in generalisations here, because I take a broad view of social phenomenons, which is a valuable perspective to consider.

The fact that men are struggling to gain well-paid employment feeds directly into my next point about women being biologically programmed to seek out mates with greater ability to provide for them and their potential family together.

That women are hypergamous is a straight fact that’s provable by even the smallest amount of observation. I don’t know how you can argue against the fact that men are attracted to youth and beauty in women, while women are attracted to wealth and status in men. If you have any doubt about it at all, please read this freakonomics blogpost: http://www.freakonomics.com/2007/10/09/the-economics-of-gold-digging/

Richard says:

10:25am | 15/08/12

Now we’re on the same page, it is now clear that my last point is also accurate. Lets examine the backgrounds of recent mass murders:

James Holmes: “James Holmes was shot down by three women on an adult sex website shortly before he allegedly perpetrated the Colorado movie massacre, according to a new report.” http://articles.nydailynews.com/2012-07-23/news/32810024_1_james-holmes-profile-blanks

Jared Lee Loughner: “Accused Shooter Wrote on Gaming Site of His Job Woes, Rejection by Women”. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703791904576075851892478080.html?mod=WSJ_hp_LEFTTopStories

One Goh: “One Goh, the former student accused of shooting dead seven people at a small Christian college in Oakland, Calif., was consumed by an inability to get along with women, according to a report.”  http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/04/04/11012483-report-oikos-university-shootings-suspect-cant-deal-with-women

Anders Brevik: “Described by friends as a ‘mummy’s boy’ who did not leave home until the age of 30, he had few friends and no serious girlfriends and his writings betray a deep bitterness at being abandoned by his father at the age of 15.”
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2018198/Norway-massacre-Killer-Anders-Behring-Breivik-privileged-son-diplomat.html#ixzz23VwWkbED

There are many many more examples, but this post is already very long and I fear the moderators will refuse to publish it. However, I will just say that the correlation between not being able to be financially independent is linked to not being able to succeed with women, which are both linked to frustrated men becoming psychopathic killers. The link is definite, and to prevent such tragedies, western society MUST address the root cause, which is the marginalisation and sidelining of a significant portion of an entire generation of males from being active contributors to society, and experiencing the rewards of doing so.

Rose says:

11:12am | 15/08/12

So Richard you don’t entertain the thought at all that these men couldn’t develop or maintain relationships with women because they were disturbed men. I’d say the women who rejected these men dodged a bullet, maybe even literally!
As for your other stuff, men still generally out earn women so maybe you need to re-think your whole argument. There are jobs that tend to be male dominated and others that tend to be female dominated, that’s life. And I think you’ll find that a lot of men are just as selective about the financial and other future prospects of women as women are, and for good reason. People generally don’t want to be the only partner bringing something to the table and quite frankly, if some one gets themselves mixed up with a leech, in a lot of cases it’s because they couldn’t think past sex or other superficialities and they quite possibly got exactly what they paid for!
Men aren’t getting ripped off, it’s just that women are no longer allowing themselves to be ripped off. Men are losing their privileged status and are having to finally play on more even ground with women. For some, like yourself, it will take a while to sort out this new social structure, but if you stop looking at it from a woe is me perspective I’m sure you’ll get there!

Richard says:

12:16pm | 15/08/12

Rose, the reason why I think these men weren’t able to have relationships is because they were beta males with no “game”. Far from being a turn-off to women, in fact its actually a quirk of female psychology that women are actually attracted to psychopaths and killers. http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/No-shortage-of-women-who-dream-of-snaring-a-2689657.php

Indeed, ever since he “snapped”, James Holmes apparently seems to have suddenly become a lot more attractive to the ladies than he ever was before-hand: http://jezebel.com/5927828/disturbing-james-holmes-twitter-groupies-think-hes-hot-sexy-cute

And no, you’re wrong about men caring how much their potential partner earns: Men aren’t attracted to high-earning women. In fact, the reality is that men are much more likely to cheat on a partner who earns more than them: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38720767/#.UCsGbqP07Xo

M says:

04:19pm | 14/08/12

She’s empowered.

Tim says:

04:34pm | 14/08/12

You forgot the credit card debt.

amy says:

05:06pm | 14/08/12

@M

how exacttly is she empowered?

no money

lives at home

doesnt sound empored to me….don’t make up BS

Rose says:

05:09pm | 14/08/12

I have three kids who have let school and still live at home. We made a deal, they can live home as long as they like but they pay their way, do their own washing etc and the live here as adults, not kids. That means that they aren’t allowed to treat me and their dad as a doormat, we have our own lives and we’re not about to give up what we want to do to look after them.
So far so good, they all plan on staying home for a year or two more at least, they are all saving and e get along just fine. We mind our own business and they mind theirs.
One thing remains the same as when they were kids though, the house belongs to me and their dad, ultimately what we say goes

ByStealth says:

05:16pm | 14/08/12

There’s different gender standards for independance. Women under 30 earn more than men now thanks to the push for ‘equality’ in employment and education. Despite this, no one bats an eye if they freeload with their folks.

Man at home with parents: Loser deadbeat manchild
Woman at home with parents: Financially savvy investor

How many tropes like this do we need to see before cultural values shift and women are judged as harshly as men for failing to live up to their civil responsibilities?

laura says:

05:22pm | 14/08/12

I moved out to go to uni at 17, lived in share houses for the first 7 years of freedom and then on my own in a flat.

One thing I have found in the multiple share houses that I lived in is that you have to push the guys to do their share. They are fine at paying bills, but (generally not all the time) when it comes to domestic chores like doing the dishes or cleaning the bathroom it is generally harder to get them motivated than other females. Perhaps laziness is one of the reasons they gravitate towards home.

Men, however are generally less anal and more fun to live with.

Rose says:

06:04pm | 14/08/12

Nice generalization there, my kid’s and their friends seem to judge males and females pretty much by the same scorecard, maybe it’s only older people that judge along gender lines. For my kids they are harshest on a female acquaintance they know who lives with her parents, pays little to nothing even though her parents are struggling (when she does pay anything everybody gets told and she expects to be congratulated), the girl works casual hours and mum works full time but she still gets the shits on if mum doesn’t have everything done on time every time while she does absolutely nothing. Her boyfriend lives there probably at least half the time, for free and also is too lazy to get out of his own way.
Interestingly there is no sympathy for the parents, as far as my kids are concerned they made their bed and now they have to lie in it.

Tim says:

06:07pm | 14/08/12

Laura,
And I’ve found that most females definition of clean is far above what is actually hygienically required.
No, the carpet doesn’t need to be vacuumed every second day.

Gox says:

07:20pm | 14/08/12

@Laura: I completely agree

I have lived in share-housing since I was 17, and (almost) consistently the men are much more fun and laid back, though messier, while the women are more cleanly but often make a big deal out of small things and get passive aggressive. Of course I have lived with exceptions, this is just my general experience with the people I have lived with.

Honestly, I am currently the only woman in my household and I wouldn’t change it. In practice I do the dishes etc more often, but the guys don’t get pissy or passive aggressive and they tend to be more up front with issues.

Also, they like fixing things themselves, saving us money and saving me that time the bathroom door locked me in…

Lilly says:

10:29am | 15/08/12

I thought we were past the age where a woman’s worth was assessed by their cooking ability. I am Gen Y. I am Female. I work 7 days a week (no lies I have 2 jobs) to pay for my education as I live in a unit with my Gen Y male partner who earns more than me with less education (OMG). And after all that. I still can’t cook, in fact I almost burnt our last apartment down.

And I’m not alone. In fact only one of my friends/peers lives with his parents, for the last 12 months he has been the legal carer for his elderly, ill father while his mum works as a doctor to pay the bills. But I guess it’s all irrelevant because some moron who looks like he’s 40 at 27 is in the paper as being a bludger. One a bludger All a bludger,

ByStealth says:

11:10am | 15/08/12

@ Rose

I’m glad people are holding women more accountable like in the example you’ve given. How can anyone expect sexism against women to die off if they don’t shoulder the same accountability as men?

Expecting respect.out of gendered entitlement rather than earning it like the rest of us breeds resentment.

CJ says:

07:18pm | 14/08/12

Well let’s assume that Top Gun gets the girl, he’s in for one hell of a ride. Theres a pretty good chance she is going to whip him into line quicker than he can fly an X43. Unless he’s looking at settling down with a cougar twice his age he isn’t going to find a woman under the age of 40 that will be willing to live with him. After spending nearly 30 years with his mother, his attitude to women and bad habits will be so out of step with the modern woman he’ll be out on his ear and back at Mums before he can say I do.
Good luck.

Lilly says:

10:35am | 15/08/12

lollollol you don’t actually know much about commercial pilots do you. He won’t be earning the big dollars for at least 20 years. Up until then he’ll be lucky to be on $60,000pa. Pilots pay is a myth unless you are a Qantas check and training captain.

Tim says:

04:35pm | 14/08/12

More like drug sales aren’t taxed.

Alfi says:

11:39am | 15/08/12

I suspect it’d be a combination of both drug money and Centrelink money, which should keep him going rather nicely while he won’t get a real job.

acotrel says:

09:11am | 24/08/12

@Al
You obviously have a high level of self-esteem, unlike some others.

Granny says:

08:25pm | 14/08/12

Yes, you are grown up B! Good for you. Extended adolescence is a weird 21st century phenomenon, don’t you think? Two of our daughters are married and renovating their own homes, and the one left at home is finishing a taxing degree. They all pulled their weight and didn’t expect to be handed everything, worked their way through uni and are paying off hex debts. Spoilt, entitled adult “children” are aliens to me.

CJ Johnson says:

10:14am | 15/08/12

Granny:

Actually, “extended adolescence” is more of a throwback to when there WAS no such thing as “adolescence”. Before the 20th Century, the 50s in particular, most families simply got bigger or smaller as children were born or elders/other family members died. You still see it in countries that haven’t adopted the American model. Large extended families living as a single unit.

The problem is, that idea for some reason suddenly became unpopular, most likely because of the sudden massive adoption of “nuclear family” ideals in the US, which was exported to places like Australia.

Even now, in places like Italy, until a man finds a wife, if he were to leave home and pursue independence away from his parents, he would be considered to be acting disrespectful to all the hard work that they put in raising him; almost saying that their efforts were not good enough, and that he would have a better chance going it alone.

BJ says:

09:01pm | 14/08/12

Which job requires more than one qualification? I am intrigued.