Great music cities don’t just suddenly emerge, although some have their genesis in rebellion or in the emergence of some artist or event.

Brisbane is known as one of Australia’s great music cities mainly by people who’ve grown up here over the last 40 or so years or the lucky blow-ins who’ve come to love the place.

Robert Forster, now an elegant elder statesman of Brisbane’s music scene, closed the 2010 Bigsound conference last week talking about his early connections with music.

It was about snatching sounds from the radio – as a young teenager there was no record player at home so he’d hear Davis Bowie or T-Rex and have to wait a day or so for the track to be played again.

There was also the tribe of like-minded music fans who would turn out for what were at the time a once every three month visit by an international act to the River City.

These same people would appear from the suburbs – some with space suits and others with truly fascinating hair – and in a few years would also front up to concerts by Forster’s band The Go-Betweens and other ground-breaking groups like The Saints.

The Bigsound conference Forster was closing – in a delightful chat with The Courier-Mail’s Noel Mengel – has now arrived as Australia’s own destination on the international music business get-together trail.

In its own way, Bigsound is in the same league as Austin, Texas’s South By South-West (SXSW) and Toronto’s Canadian Music Week.

While SXSW is much bigger – some argue it’s almost too big but that’s never going to fly with music fans – it did start off small and grew out of energy, music and the organisers’ keen ear for a conversation about music that hits the spot.

Anyone who’s spent time in March walking along East Sixth Street or South Congress and heard music come from every window and door knows the magic of he Austin music scene. At times it’s like walking into a massive aircraft hangar that’s been taken over by 200 adrenaline-charged bands all practicing for their own version of Idol.

Brisbane’s Bigsound is not quite like that but it’s well on the way to being the Australian version of it.

In marquees in car parks and on stages down otherwise disused laneways in Fortitude Valley, bands are playing. The Artisan Guns from New Zealand kick out like a 2010 incarnation of The Jam while around the corner in Bakery Lane there’s a whole showcase of groups from the Gold Coast – or “the GC” as the singer for Brothers tells the crowd.

On another occasion Glenn Richard, the singer-songwriter from the loved and lovely Augie March, parades his new material with a band he calls the DSM Borthers which will feature on a CD supposedly out before Christmas.

Elsewhere in this three day conference and festival, there were some brilliant conversations with not just Forster but American music critic – and indie band chronicler – Michael Azerrad, Mushroom’s Michael Gudinski, museum curator and former Violent Femmes bassist Brian Ritchie and Australian music all-rounder John O’Donnell.

There were plenty of panel discussions about everything from what the future holds for musicians, those in the business and the fans to why having a lawyer’s phone number matters and what role does passion play in modern music.

Benji Rodgers from Pledge Music – an organisation that builds relationships between musicians and fans aimed at sustaining a living in a world where a diminishing number of people pay for music – talked about a world without a buy button.

Pointing out that the latest generation of devices that play music – typified by Apple’s iPad – have no space to put a CD into, making it necessary to download all music, whether its paid for, from the multiplicity of free filing share sites or the increasing practice of getting an email containing an MP3 audio file.

Pledge Music’s answer to this is have fan communities built up around a band or artist and are financed by annual contributions. The organisation has found that a typical fan is willing to spend just under $100 a year on particular artists – meaning that with a “paying” fan base of 1000 to 2000 people music acts can have money for rent and food.

Record companies being record companies, these fan relationship model can easily get out of hand. The long-running Chicago music festival, Lollapalooza, this year offered ticket-packages worth up to $US45,000 a head which included your own private cabana with a wet bar, souvenirs including musical instruments and back-stage dinners with your favourite band.

Bigsound, however, had a more grounded view of how music and musicians will work in the digital world.

The common message from everyone –senior representatives from music labels, promoters and those programming radio stations – is that hard work comes first, second and last.

That hard work is cushioned a bit for young musicians who attend gatherings like Bigsound and hearing the old war stories from veterans and enthusiasts as well as advice from those in the trenches as music faces the challenges of that “world without a buy button”.

Bigsound has grown through the enthusiasm and hard work of a dedicated and growing bunch of Brisbane music aficionados as well as the industry. Like most of these events it’s also got the essential support of the Queensland Government, particularly the Trade and Investment division.

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    • Scotchy says:

      07:39am | 16/09/10

      And dont forget the HiFi at West End in Brisbane, reasonable entry fees for a decent band or 2 (or more e.g. Emergenza Competition) and of course a real favourite is the Music Kafe at West End, on a good saturday night these venues show some real pockets of Talent that is in Brisbane. We look forward to our Saturday nights (when we have kid free weekend time) , it just rocks around West End, and we feel reasonably safe walking around there late as well.

    • The Barman says:

      07:41am | 16/09/10

      You were doing so well until you mentioned Idol. Where were the independent bands in all this? People like Hits, who wipe the floor with your Powderfinger piffle and the Idol abominations? Elders like Mick Medew who’s still sounding as vital as he did in the 80s? There’s not one person in that speaker list who can claim to be an indie voice, Forster aside who’s been on both sides of that ledger.

      Truth is, this was all about the money.

    • dwabriz says:

      08:35am | 16/09/10

      The Idol reference was a joke, a bit of irony. And there were plenty of independent bands playing around the Valley and even more young musicians wanting to know how to get a door opened, whether they wanted to go the niche market indie path or big label mainstream. Sure these conferences are about money because money still counts for something, whether it’s paying the rent or putting a down payment on the Iron Maiden-clone jet. And at the sessions where I heard musicians asked if they wanted to make a living from their music, those present put up their hands. As to indie bands in Brisbane, the list is long - and as good as any other city Australian city. This is a conference which not just provides a forum for the how, where and who of the music business but a stage for musicians - with luck a growing one. The fact Glenn Richards was the biggest name playing during Bigsound speaks for itself.

    • undertow says:

      09:17am | 16/09/10

      Hits are ok, but not great. (and I can’t stand Powderfinger). Seemed to be plenty of other good acts performing at the event.

      I read the “Idol” reference as an analogy of the kind of scenes witnessed by the writer in Austin as bands rehearsed, not a nod of respect to the entrants of that godawful show.

      “There’s not one person in that speaker list who can claim to be an indie voice, Forster aside who’s been on both sides of that ledger. “
      As far as the speakers go:
      Mick Medew - Screaming Tribesmen… started out on independent label Citadel Records.
      Brian Ritchie - Violent Femmes… started out on Slash Records when it was still an independent label.
      Michael Azzerad may have worked for major music media outlets like Rolling Stone and MTV, but his focus has certainly been on the indie scene, having written liner notes for Screaming Trees, Guided by Voices, Meat Puppets and the Jesus Lizard to name a few.
      They all sound like they have some kind of experience in the indie world that would be of value to an audience willing to listen.

      When you consider that Bigsound is run as a not-for-profit event and will be audited as such… the claim that this was all about money is a little far fetched.

      Sounds like sour grapes to me… I’d suggest starting a band with that name, although its a little mainstream.

    • Barman says:

      01:18pm | 16/09/10

      So how much did it cost to attend, Dennis? That’s where the money comment was going.

      undertow - if Mick spoke I’m happy to be corrected. Just as you should be if you think Hits are just OK. smile

      Point taken on Azzerard but jesus, don’t we have lots of local writers to contribute insights?

    • Freddo says:

      10:35am | 16/09/10

      Events like Bigsound aren’t damaging to the scene whatsoever. But having been to a few music conferences over the years, all I seem to have gotten out of them are a> hangovers b> frequent flyer points c> business cards & d> second-hand stories from dinosaurs.

    • Aussie Wazza says:

      11:41am | 16/09/10

      Listen Loudmouth,
      It’s people like you who are stuffing this city.
      I have lived in this (usedterbe) backwater since 1946.
      Great place Brisbane where you could drive from anywhere to anywhere in under half an hour until around 1990.
      Enough flies to discourage el fresco dining so you could walk on footpaths without dodging tables.
      Police helped traffic movement, rode pushbikes and the government could not afford speed cameras. Police helped citizens and were not simply the governments revenue gatherers.
      You could park your car anywhere as long as you wished for free.
      Houses were on huge blocks, cheap, and anyone who desired to could own one.
      You could leave the garden hoses on 24 hours a day and kids spent hours playing under garden sprinklers.
      You knew all your neighbours and left doors and windows open when you went out to keep the house cool.
      The public service was just that; a service and where anyone with a low I.Q.  or without ambition could get a job.
      We were laughted at by ‘foreigners’ and that was good. Most were far too sophisticated to want to live here.
      No pokies so even the poorest had money to spend on food and time to spend with family and friends.
      Kids and teens learned about body parts in the front stall canvas seats at the pickchers.
      We had brothels, casinos, and a night club but most amusement was with friends at homes. B.B.Qs , playing cards, cricket in the back yard with the kids.
      After school kids dissapeared, off to play with mates until dark when they turned up for dinner. Kids actually walked to and from school.
      Maybe once a year the ballet or a stage show came to town. Sometimes a yank or pommie singer would turn up.
      I never heard of drugs until lately. Now they are everywhere. Ask any taxi driver about his weekend early morning passengers.
      The government was full of shonks but accepted as that is the character of politicians, We knew as it was up front. Not like todays sophisticated slimebags.

      If you want to help Brisbane push the ‘Great place to visit but not to live’.

    • Henry A says:

      01:31pm | 16/09/10

      I’ll raise you an Adelaide with Cold Chisel, Farnham, LRB, Kahmahl, Superjesus, and Wolf & Cub and take your hand. Actaully just Cold Chisel would take ‘Brisvegas’’ hand.

    • Tony of Poorakistan says:

      04:00pm | 16/09/10

      The Masters Apprentices, Twilight, Axiom, the Angels . . . .

    • Molly Mildew says:

      01:43pm | 16/09/10

      There has never been an original socio/music movement originate from any Australian city, until it does no Aussie city can claim much musical kudos.  The reality is very few AUstralian bands translate worldwide as they are second rate and the ones that do always have a retro appeal and not the spears tip.

    • Everlovin, Man says:

      03:53pm | 16/09/10

      Depends what you are listening to,but a few examples of socio/music are whom exactly…..  indigenous,  I dont know what you mean.

    • Molly Mildew says:

      04:24pm | 16/09/10

      Rock and roll, Skiffle, soul, punk, reggae, rap, mod, jazz, techno etc any genre that starts with underground movements usually created in specific locations,  not just a suburban copies of a trends.  None of our cities can lay claim to be the home of ..... 
      Maybe we are just too comfortable to need artistic venting and expression to get in the mainstream.

    • Ongo Bongo Man says:

      08:04pm | 16/09/10

      The Loved Ones were a fairly original band in 1968,formed from the Red Onions they moved into a bluesy tuba bass sound with mad Gerry Humpheries, as the frontman , very different from the pop music standard of the day, busted with a matchbox of weed ,disappeared into the ether,only to be made hall of famers at the upcoming A,R,I.AS.,but dont tell anyone

    • Sol says:

      06:29pm | 19/09/10

      Not that I am any kind of party animal but I always thought the name ‘BrisVegas’ was ironic because Brisbane pales to other cities. Going out on a weekend is usually not a good experience because there are so many drunks and groups of teens everywhere making it unpleasant for everyone else.

    • Sean Belgrande says:

      05:50pm | 07/11/10

      Since moving to ‘Bris-Vegas’ I too feel as though I have traded my alternate and very interesting social life for some boganistic drunk-by-numbers existence.  Brisbane by all counts has been the worst experience of my life. As on who used to frequent the St Kilda night life, Brisbane has little to offer the live music lovers scene. Oh, we are tempted with the occasional ‘blues fest’ but as a whole, welcome to the drunk zone.
      Sol, I agree with you. If it wasn’t for my career, Brisbane would be in my rear-vision mirror in a heartbeat.

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