Who’s going to win the next federal election?

Who wants to be a one-term wonder? Photo: Herald Sun

It is on the face of it a particularly stupid question, given that we don’t yet know who won this federal election.

And given the glacier-like pace of negotiations between the major parties and the independents and Greens, history may eventually describe this poll as the 2010-2011 election, such is the slowness of its resolution.

But it’s a question that is well worth asking as there is every chance that the instability created by last week’s (non) result will see Australia return to the polls within 12 months.

Even if Julia Gillard manages to retain the prime ministership by acquiescing to the independents’ demand for a guaranteed three-year term, there is a likelihood that unforeseen events – for example, just one little by-election in almost any seat in the land – could redraw the political landscape and force a general election.

Absolutely anything could happen. What happened last Saturday is a master recipe for utter chaos.

As such, I’d happily wager that the party which wins the next election will be the party which loses this one.

There is a view among the wiser heads on both sides of politics that forming a minority government off the back of this 2010 result may well be one of the most toxic poison chalices ever offered in Australian politics.

It sounds crazy even to suggest that a major party could or should throw away the chance of forming government, but good arguments can be made that it’s not only in the national interest to do so, but that it may win them the enduring respect and continuing support of the voters at future polls.

Look at things as they stand.

In the course of a few hours on Friday we saw a couple of things which underscored the truly unfathomable weirdness of the new political landscape.

Family First Senator Stephen Fielding, having been elected with just 0.2 per cent of the vote in 2004, and dumped spectacularly by Victoria in his Senate re-election bid last Saturday, audaciously came out and declared that he might not support the Labor Government at all between now and his exit from politics next July. Given that he’s used his background as an engineer and his readings of the Bible to defy overwhelming scientific evidence of climate change, it is at least consistent with his pattern of self-indulgent posturing, despite representing hardly anybody at all.

Later on Friday we saw an unusual joint press conference between Tasmanian Greens MP Andrew Wielke and South Australian No Pokies Independent Senator Nick Xenophon offering their two pennethsworth on what they expected from the major parties.

It capped a chaotic and almost unreadable week where Bob Katter, Rob Oakeshott and Tony Windsor confirmed through their conduct that while they might ostensibly be operating as a unity ticket in their negotiations, they have divergent and often mutually inconsistent demands.

Who would want to govern under these circumstances?

As the incumbent, Labor is desperate to hang onto power. There are signs though that within the Coalition many people are now wondering if it’s worth it.

Tony Abbott’s initial refusal to hand over his costings to Treasury as requested by the Independents might have been tactically iffy, as it created a perception that the Coalition must have something to hide.

But it could also be interpreted as a heartening first sign that if Tony Abbott is going to become prime minister, he’s not going to gleefully tie his hands and legs in knots from the get-go by responding to every request he gets from three blokes in three electorates, who now wield extraordinary influence over a nation comprising 150 electorates.

And should the Coalition form office with these men, it will effectively destroy the National Party. It has been humiliating enough for National Party Leader and would-be Deputy Prime Minister Warren Truss to be sidelined from negotiations, in deference to the often irrational hatred the three independents have for the old Country Party.

If an Abbott Government is formed, and power and influence is handed to Katter, Oakeshott and Windsor, as it by definition must be in order to cut a deal, it will operate as a clarion call for rural voters to reject the Nats and endorse more “can-do” rural independents at subsequent polls.

Abbott has won and seems certain to have won the highest number of seats, but not enough to form office in his own right.

If he stands back and says – I have the clearest mandate of all but I’m not going to sully my prime ministership or compromise the national interest by going along with crazy and conflicting demands from minority candidates, who knows what could happen next?

He’ll obviously lose this election, but he’d probably win the next one, as he spends the next few months watching the entire unsustainable show come crashing down around Prime Minister Gillard and her ramshackle and disparate collection of parliamentary supporters.

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    • Against the Man says:

      06:55am | 29/08/10

      Gillard is a loser either way. If she becomes PM she will have a mess of a government to deal with, if she does not become PM she will be remembered as the 10 week wonder. A hung parliament was an instant loss for Gillard, as for Tony it has to be considered a win for the guy who got so much flak. Tony is coming across as a smart controlled individual who is not going to be manipulated. Gillard already has shown the world her undignified groveling. Labor supporters know I’m right, they just don’t want to admitt it.

    • dave says:

      04:31pm | 29/08/10

      But if Tony is unable to negotiate power from this, what is the chances of him still fronting the Libs when it comes time for the next election?

    • Chris L says:

      05:06pm | 29/08/10

      LOL! Which party leader offered to change policy on the day of the result (broadband) then offered to change personality the next day (kinder, gentler)? Which one spoke of “Trashing the Westminster System” by showing costings to the independants, and is now showing their costings to the independants?

      I agree that Labor is a poor choice, but don’t take that to mean that Liberal is even the slightest bit better. Otherwise one of them might have won the election.

    • Steve says:

      05:35pm | 29/08/10

      @Against the man: Your view of Tony is very much through rose tinted glasses I must say!! … “Tony is coming across as a smart controlled individual who is not going to be manipulated.”…. Strange statement to make that is really! Have you forgotten about Clive Palmer? Now smart controlled individuals comes into play there with the words of manipulated added I can see what you’re getting at and understand your confusion with the perception of Tony… need we mention the undignified grovelling the mind boggles at the picture… in budgie smugglers … no lets not!! Who would have thought the difference between a principled and unscrupulous man was one vote and a treacherous mate? And the winner is?? You tell me.

    • Daniel says:

      12:16am | 30/08/10

      I’m with dave on this one:  Tony Abbott only got the party leadership by some strange kind of fluke when it looked like he was nothing more than a sacrificial lamb for the inevitable 2010 loss.  The fact that the Libs have done so surprisingly well won’t protect him from a power grab some time in the next three years - especially if a Labor government is leaving a sour taste.  This is probably Abbott’s only real chance to become PM.  I personally think his unexpectedly effective uniting and motivating influence over the past few months shows that he could make a much better go of minority government than Gillard would.

      But what about a grand coalition (ALP/Lib shared government)?  It worked pretty successfully in Germany after the 2006 elections.  It just requires some will and some flexibility.

    • jim says:

      01:24am | 30/08/10

      This is exactly the reason why Abbott is playing the Fist card. He’ll lose the smaller battle to win the larger one.

    • acotrel says:

      06:28am | 30/08/10

      An implicit assumption has been made by some people -  it’s that the Abbott coalition is fit to govern Australia.  Abbott’s mentor John Howard suspended the Racial Discrimination Act, so he could use the aborigines as election fodder. And Abbott’s foray into xenophobia during his election campaign shows similar disgusting attitudes towards newcomers.  Like it or not Australia is now multicultural.  Do we really need a government led by such poisonous characters?

    • KH says:

      10:15am | 30/08/10

      Abbott comes across as ‘smart and controlled’  because of his minders.  The ‘real’ Tony is still there, and its neither smart nor controlled.  Someone with this much foot in mouth disease is bound to show himself eventually.

    • William says:

      10:02am | 31/08/10

      Yes he is smart. Rhodes scholar smart.

    • Brian Taylor says:

      07:16am | 29/08/10

      I fully agree that this election is a joke and whoever wins, (I think it might well be labor as they;re caving into the demands of the three wacko’s) will soon find themselves unable to groven and will have to call another electrion, most likely within six months of this one.
      However, I fully DISAGREE with your statement of “overwhelming scientific evidence of climate change,” don’t know where you got your information that it was “overwhelming” they are an awlful lot of people who would disagree with you on that., however that is for another post lol

    • David says:

      12:57pm | 29/08/10

      Not scientists Brian. It is a FACT that there is “overwhelming scientific evidence of climate change”. Those who disagree with this evidence are conservative politicians and the oil and coal industries.

    • SarahJaneJones says:

      01:22pm | 29/08/10

      Yeah, there certainly isn’t overwhelming evidence for climate change. There are plenty of scientific organizations that dispute the IPCC position. Oh no wait, not a single scientific organization with any national or internaitonal standing rejects the IPCC position. Well, I’m sure there are plenty of National Academies of Science that dispute it! What’s that? Not a single National Academy of Science of any country in the entire developed world dispute man made climate change? How about individual climate scientists who reject the IPCC position? only 3% of them reject it while 97% support the hypothesis…

      Yeah, the evidence is pretty overwhelming I’d say.

    • Joe Blow says:

      02:32pm | 29/08/10

      Brian,  there are an awful lot of people who believe the world is only 6000 years old despite the “overwhelming” evidence to the contrary.  Then again there is NO evidence of supernatural beings and saints, yet apparently 100s of millions of people worldwide believe in them!!

      Evidence and belief are two totally different beasts.

    • Tim says:

      08:17pm | 29/08/10

      As I understand it the UN got together the most qualified scientists in the world and concluded that man made climate change was likely real and was happening.
      I don’t have the time or the inclination to become a world reknowned expert myself so i’ll take their word for it on this one. That’s just my opinion.

    • Que says:

      07:20am | 29/08/10

      Spot on. I personally think Abbott must walk away from this one once he has raised the auction stakes just high enough to completely paralyse Gillard (real, not old).

      These three characters, especially Oakeshott, will become some of the most despised people in Australian politics before long.

    • Super D says:

      07:24am | 29/08/10

      I disagree.  If Abbott takes power now the former Government becomes thoroughly discredited.  The Libs then set up a royal commission into the insulation scheme deaths which will find that at least Rudd, but likely Gillard and Swan also received warnings pertaining to safety and ignored them.  The coalition will also have access to all the mining tax and NBN documentation and will expose the cooking of the books that has taken place under Swan’s treasurership.  Meanwhile the ALP will fall apart with recriminations rendering them unelectable.

      Should Gillard hold on she too has an opportunity to shape the record of the past three years and perhaps the need for consultation during the policy formation process will result in better outcomes than over the past three years - minority government could force competence on the ALP.  AT the same time though if it all fell apart in 6 months the ALP would be cactus.

    • Gerard says:

      03:07pm | 29/08/10

      While they’re setting up royal commissions, maybe someone could try looking into Stephen Conroy’s payments/donations/bribes to the TV networks. That would produce some really interesting findings…

    • Chris L says:

      05:13pm | 29/08/10

      Did you not know there has already been an investigation into the insulation deaths and the shoddy companies that ignored two sets of increased regulations (what you call “doing nothing”) are being charged?
      Interesting that you accuse Swan of “cooking the books” when that rascally leak from treasury showed massive discrepancies in the Liberal estimates. This leak turned out to be true unlike Godwin’s email. Did you know that Tony had sent his estimates to a private firm two months before that pesky leak? Why was that?

      Both the major parties have failed us. What does it take to get the rusted on followers to think for themselves?

    • Northern Steve says:

      11:17pm | 29/08/10

      To Chris L - Labor’s investigation into the Insulation deaths would have been set up with particular frames of reference, like the BER one that specifically could not look at value for money except by comparing projects in state schools in the BER.  A Coalition investigation would have radically different frames of reference that would be more likely to find the previous government negligent in its oversight of the programs (which it was)

    • Florence Howarth says:

      01:04pm | 30/08/10

      “Gerard says:03:07pm | 29/08/10

      While they’re setting up royal commissions, maybe someone could try looking into Stephen Conroy’s payments/donations/bribes to the TV networks. That would produce some really interesting findings… “

      If what you say is trye, Labor sure did not get any gains.  No one could truly say that any of the media was on the side of Labor.

    • Gerard says:

      09:35pm | 30/08/10

      Florence, the point is that Conroy effectively handed $250 million to the major TV networks, with no rational explanation from either the minister or his party. The public has a right to know why the government was giving such a concession to these multi-million dollar businesses.

    • Chris says:

      07:44am | 29/08/10

      Absolutely agree. It is an absolute joke that a prime minister (whoever that might be) should have to get there by pandering to these few individuals. The fact that Gillard bolted down this road immediately on Saturday just demonstrates sheer desperation and utter lack of principle. I think Tony is making a show of listening to them so that people believe he wants the job and is not throwing in the towel at the first sign of trouble, but obtaining office with both his hands and feet tied by these individuals is just a recipe for disaster. A loss here would actually be a win for Tony, especially as Gillard gives up more and more and the final position is just not worth having.

    • Biteme says:

      07:45am | 29/08/10

      I just like to say there seems to be a lot of anger directed towards the Independents in recent media reports, however I don’t see any basis for it.
      The requests being put forward are not unreasonable and any astute business person would request similar informations before making any decisions.  In effect it shows they are not being corrupted. What does worry me is the top End of Town and the Elites trying to make personal contact with these Independents to push their own agendas. This is where democracy comes undone. It is becoming apparent to me that both major parties hold the ordinary Australians second to those who are the Elite of our society.  Now you watch the media destroy the Independents and create a bad image for them. In essence the media will now also act for the Elites as well.

    • Kirk says:

      05:45pm | 30/08/10

      The media are largely owned by the elites.  I don’t hear anything bad about the independents - in fact, most people think they are behaving well reasonably and making the leaders of the major parties look foolish.

      The anti-independent line is just spin trying to create a story out of nothing.  The election campaign is over, so where to from here and how to keep selling the story?  Let’s make a tabloid out of the independents.

      It’s not very convincing.  Election is over so I am tuning out, and you can’t suck me in to any further gossip without these made up stories.

    • Dan says:

      08:11am | 29/08/10

      Heaven forbid that influence should rest with three independants, who actually represent their electrates rather than that small minority with vested interests who scream the loudest and have the most money to spash around (Yes I’m thinking of the miners) Even if the government only lasts a year we may still get some good reforms.

      Give them a go!

    • Front Up says:

      12:51pm | 29/08/10

      If Tony Abbott were put in a position where it could be seen that he had done his best to strike a reasonable compromise with the independents, another election would be perfect for him.
      If it were to happen there would be two things for certain:
      1.  The Coalition would have a couple hundred million in campaign funds committed from the mining sector in about three minutes.
      Works out a lot cheaper than a new tax, eh?
      2.  The union movement and the greens would be left completely broke.
      For the miners it is the chance of a lifetime and maybe the last time they’ll get a chance like this if new funding laws come in.
      The trick is to let the Greens expose what they are really about on issues like marine parks, higher taxes, death duties, massively increased power costs, gay marriage, that’s like free advertising.  Then take ‘em out on the way through.
      For now, the Coalition must buy time until October/November, if at all possible.  Anyone who thinks that Abbott is not ruthless enough to do this should talk to Pauline Hanson about his long term tactical skills.
      The key for now is sweet, sweet reason.

    • Joe Blow says:

      02:35pm | 29/08/10

      Dan - I hear you.  These guys say they “represent their electorates”.  Lat polls I saw said that their electorates wanted a Coalition government.  Pretty simple really .....

    • Kirk says:

      05:47pm | 30/08/10

      @Joe - If their constituents wanted a Coalition government then they should have voted Coalition.  Pretty simple really….

    • Macca says:

      08:25am | 29/08/10

      The smartest thing for Abbott to do is to stand by his election promises and not pander to the whims of the 3 independents. He should attempt to run government as normal and attempt to turn the policies he took to the Australian people into legislation.

      If he has to negotiate outside his party, he should attempt to do it by staying true to the intentions of the original policy.

      If negotiations fail, he has a mandate to take back to the Australian people at an election, telling them what he tried to to acheive and how it was not acheived.

      Its the kind of message that the ALP failed to deliver this election, due to a somewhat self-depreciation by the delay of the ETS and the sacking of Rudd.

      Any Porkbarreling towards the Independents electorates will be damaging towards the Nationals, and consequently, the Coalition.

      Abbott’s best chance at the next election is to stay on message.

      The ALPs chances of the next election also depend on what kind of Bloodletting we see after this result. The factions are going to have to behave themselves if they are any chance at the next election

    • Dannosaurus rex says:

      09:03am | 29/08/10

      Please state the facts as they are! The Liberals have NOT won the highest number of seats.  It is a dead heat with 72 seats each to the Liberals and Labor. Just as the 1 Green states he is inclined to side with Labor it is presumed that the WA National will side with the Liberals even though he has said he will sit on the cross benches, regardless that raises the likely totals to 73 each. Then there a 4 independents, 3 of whom are from rural electorates and have divergent views so could possibly swing either way.

    • dave says:

      04:26pm | 29/08/10

      Actually, according to http://vtr.aec.gov.au/ the libs (Including CLP, LNP) won 66.  It is only when you pair them up with the Nats that you get the extra 6/7

    • Samuel says:

      05:29pm | 29/08/10

      Tony Crook is registered as a member of the Nationals, he stood for election as a National, people who voted for him did so because he is a National. The Nationals are part of the Coaltion in the federal parliament ergo the Coaltion have 73 seats. If Mr Crook wants to be independent he should quit the Nats.
      Adam Bandt, on the other hand, is part of the Greens who are not in a formal coalition with Labor. Though he had said he will support Labor he is still in a different party ergo he cannot be counted as Labor.

    • MarK says:

      07:54pm | 29/08/10

      Protip Dan. He ran as part of the coalition.

      Let me put it another way. Crook will never support any government that supports the mining tax. Sort of makes it moot now doesn’t it?

    • Kirk says:

      05:57pm | 30/08/10

      Hey chaps.  The WA nationals are not part of the Coalition.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Party_of_Western_Australia

      Repeat: The WA National Party are not part of Tony Abbott’s ‘Coalition’.

      The case can be made, since Adam Bandt has said he will only support Labor (therefore 73 seats), that Labor effectively has 73 to ‘the Coalition’s’ 72.  The Green has said that Labor can count on his vote, but the WA National has clearly said that the Coalition cannot count on his vote!

    • nosthow says:

      09:20am | 29/08/10

      As soon as Ms Gillard is installed as our PM Penbo she will blossum and even if the Parliament with the Independents proves unworkable and we do eventually go back to the polls, which is unlikely, Ms Gillard will then have shown us what a strong leader she is and how much in touch she is with Australians - unlike the Mad Monk and his band of geriatrics ! Fancy having a PM called the Mad Monk !  hahahh - we would be the laughing stock of the world ! And Julie Bishop as Foreign Minister - she barely knows where China is located ! And old Waren truss as Deputy PM - he can barely keep awake during parliament. The Abbott Family - YUK !

    • MH says:

      01:04pm | 29/08/10

      Every good blog needs its resident clown and thank you Nosthow for stepping up to the plate.  You might want to throw in a few more exclamation marks and CAPS to really make your point.  The spelling errors are a nice common touch.

      A strong leader does not pander to the whims of the unrepresentative few in order to cling to power.

    • Adam Diver says:

      01:15pm | 29/08/10

      Is this satire? I can’t tell anymore. It can’t be serious, though…surely…“blossom” in a minority government

    • Ryan says:

      01:41pm | 29/08/10

      Pity she didn’t “blossum” over the last three years huh, guess some more of us might have thought she wasn’t a total incompetent who was front and center in sending the country into the largest debt we have ever had.
      As for laughing stocks of the world, Kevin Rudd holds that award hands down, I can’t see Tony doing a Salute to Obama nor running around like he is the saviour of the free world.

    • Brian Taylor says:

      03:54pm | 29/08/10

      you really do live in a dream world don’t you lol

    • Aitch B says:

      04:30pm | 29/08/10

      You’re fantasizing again, Nosthow. “Strong leader” my eye!! It’s the back room boys that pull the strings in the ALP….. just ask Kevin Rudd!!

      ‘Blossum’??? Learn to spell, mate.

      And it seems to me that it’s only the rabid Labor supporters who choose to call Abbott the ‘Mad Monk’ and I doubt that the rest of the world would take much notice of you/them.

    • nosthow says:

      06:38pm | 29/08/10

      @Aitch B and Co - WOW look at all the Liberal Party staffers come out ! YAY ! Come in spinners !Just watch Ms Gillard Blossum !

    • Timothy Schuster says:

      08:40pm | 29/08/10

      Troll

    • Northern Steve says:

      11:07pm | 29/08/10

      Where are all the lefties today?  Noone here to back up old nosthow?
      Maybe because they too realise what an irrational rant this is.  I’d be embarrassed too.

      Really, nosthow, most of us come here for a bit of real debate, not a trip to fairyland.

    • Christian Real says:

      09:11am | 01/09/10

      Northern Steve
      I agree with nosthow, and also I believe that Julia Gillard is more in touch with Australians than Tony Abbott will ever hope to be.
      The ‘Mad Monk’ , in his ‘budgie smugglers’ meeting World Leaders, would make Australia and Australians the laughing stock of the world as nosthow as written.
      Julia Bishop can’t even keep her mouth shut,especially when it comes to sensitive matters and issues like the faked passports and the sending home of Israeli diplomats from Australia.
      Warren Truss is not a good representative in the Wide Bay area either,and in the past eight years that my family has been in his Wide Bay Electorate, he has done nothing for my family and myself, and we have had to persue matters and issues through the then opposition Labor party, and also more recently through the Labor party government, who as able to resolve our issues quickly.
      Also, I   would not back a confessed liar like, Mr Tony “Don’t believe everything I say Abbott”,and I would not back someone like Tony Abbott who has breached Parliamentary Rules twice in the past ten years.
      Like you, Northern Steve,the people that have supported Tony Abbott, and have condoned his lies and deceit, are no better than he is, and simply seem to have no integrity or credibility themselves.

    • Paul says:

      09:29am | 29/08/10

      Yes and no.  The complicating detail here is the sheer number and complexity of divergent parties involved.  There is an argument to made for the benefits of minority govt based on the fact that govts relying on independents often have to trim their sails, be disciplined and, most importantly, be humble to keep the arrangement together. This can result in a big windfall at the next poll.  I cite SA ALP in 2002 (getting in with Peter Lewis who was, er, eccentric in his demands) but being returned with a record majority in 2006. It would be interesting to see if this effect applies elsewhere.  Of course the issue here, as I say, is that you are dealing with several Peter Lewises…and any South Australian will tell you, when they’ve stopped shuddering, that this is something altogether more difficult.

    • Vote Quimby says:

      10:58am | 29/08/10

      You’re thinking that, I’m thinking that and a lot of other people are thinking that, so why is Abbott even entertaining the thoughtvofvit, this one is political suicide!

    • David says:

      11:08am | 29/08/10

      Dunno Penbo. I think it depends on their approach to the situation. If Labor can get MPs inside the tent and pass legislation that is accepted to Oakeshott, Windsor and a Green Senate, it would have pretty wide appeal. They would also not be beholden to Bitar, Arbib etc. Labor is paying a consultative 3 year game that could win them another election.

      On the other hand, if the Libs can get all three indies onside and work with the Fielding and Xenaphon Senate, they may be able to get some stuff done for a few months, then blame the Greens and try to force an ealy election. This is probably a bit of a higher stakes approach, but it could also work.

    • Dissident says:

      11:37am | 29/08/10

      It would be tactically wise of Tony Abbott to give this one away. Naturally he wouldn’t simply concede - rather he should stand by some clear coalition policy that the independents don’t like and stick to it. That way the Independents get the blame for forming a Labor / Green / Independent alliance. He gets to be the guy that stuck to his principles instead of folding at the merest pressure. That should be enough to see him win the next election - probably in about 1 year when the independents start to feel the backlash from their conservative electorates.

      Everyone is a winner in this scenario.
      1) Julia Gillard only needs to hold on until mid-next year to get her lifetime entitlements for being the PM for a full year.
      2) The Labor party gets to avoid the indignity of being a one-term wonder.
      3) In a years time, the Independents get to say that they are turning their back on the Labor party and that they felt they needed to give them a chance (should placate the backlash)
      4) The Coalition - presumably - wins the next election with a clear majority.
      5) MOST IMPORTANTLY - The ALP can’t force through their inequitable mining tax because the independents block it.

      The fact that the ALP needs to rely on Lower House votes from Independents means that we don’t need to worry about them putting through the crazy Green schemes that most people who vote for them seem to ignore.

      Everyone’s a winner.

    • Disillusioned says:

      01:39pm | 29/08/10

      6) Faceless men who would pat themselves on the back for having made the right decision to remove Rudd and giving themselves this chance to stay in government.

      The loser is Australia for having a grovelling PM and an even more embarrassing deputy PM.

    • Gerard says:

      03:31pm | 29/08/10

      Yes, Dissident everyone’s a winner- except the public of course. But then, politics isn’t about what’s good for the public, is it?

    • fehowarth says:

      01:11pm | 30/08/10

      Until next July when the new se4nators take their seat.  Not long to wait.  After that date, Mr. Abbott would be lucky to get anything through the senate.  A new election would only be for the lower house.  The senate would remain the same.

    • Shane From Melbourne says:

      12:08pm | 29/08/10

      Too simplistic. A lot of unknown variables. Will the Greens implode in their first term of office as balance of power in the Senate? (If so, the the green votes go back to Labor). Will there be a continued backlash against the State Labor governments in NSW and Victoria? (Interestingly enough the animosity towards the State Labor Government in Victoria didn’t filter through on a Federal level). Will the furore over the mining tax be over by then? (whether or not it was implemented, it was stupid introducing it in an election year) Will a rural tendency to vote independents in some electorates persist? (Indeed more independents in the House of Representatives might be a characteristic of future elections) Will there be future changes of party leadership in the near term? (changing leadership in an election year is a risky move at best- better to do it after a failed election or not at all). My best guess is that we should expect a lot more one term governments as voter disenchantment and volatility continues.

    • MH says:

      12:18pm | 29/08/10

      I tend to think that winning this one would only be a poisoned chalice for Gillard.  The momentum is against her and to secure the numbers she would be doing a deal with a group of independents whose electorates (if not so obviously themselves, other than Katter) lean strongly conservative; the seeds of implosion would be sewn from the beginning and Gillard would almost certainly be massacred at any election held within the next 12 months.  If Abbott did take the reins now he would face difficulties no doubt - particularly keeping the Nationals and the independents from each other’s throats - but I suspect he would be able to negotiate the treacherous first 6-12 months while the opposition was in a shambles of internal recrimination both at federal and state level, and then ride the power of incumbency into the next election.

    • Luc says:

      12:24pm | 29/08/10

      The Nats should go talk to Labor about forming government. After all there’s not much difference between the major parties, it would suddenly show that they’re not just liberal lapdogs, and they could probably ask for whatever they wanted and Gillard would give it to them, making their constituents happy. 

    • David says:

      01:00pm | 29/08/10

      Barnaby’s boys dealing with Labor? I don’t see that happening. And if it even looked like it might, Oakeshott and Windsor would get in there first to shut them out.

    • Viva says:

      01:07pm | 29/08/10

      If the “experts” are correct we’re heading for an unavoidable recession. Poisoned chalice, indeed.

    • V says:

      01:13pm | 29/08/10

      Has anyone looked at NZ’s coalition governments over the years for some clues?
      If you had, there’s still a real possibility that labor will tie up a deal with the independents to keep on governing, and then rely on confidence and supply from the greens/left leaning candidates.
      IMO the greens have revealed their hand too soon by saying they would prefer to go with labor. Can you honestly see them supporting the coalition?
      This was the case in NZ for a number of years where Helen Clark could rely on the greens w/o going into a coalition simply because at the end of the day she knew the greens were not going to turn toward the centre-right of politics.

    • Northern Steve says:

      11:13pm | 29/08/10

      Except that the two green/independent candidates aren’t enough to provide supply and confidence for Labor.  Labor would also need two of the three rural independents.
      Not saying it can’t happen.  Just pointing out a salient fact.

    • Farkurnell says:

      02:16pm | 29/08/10

      I agree with David to some extent,but a lot can change over 12 months. Just remember todays headlines are tomorrow fish wrappings.Depends on whether you see the new political landscape as a glass half-full or half-empty. One aspect that intrigues me is the Greens ,if they go into an alliance with Labor.Does anyone remember the Demecrats,they got similar support from the voters prior to siding with the LNP to introduce a GST, then it was all downhill.

    • mary says:

      02:31pm | 29/08/10

      Pity help us all if the people of Port Macquarie have a say in this - their town is bankrupt and likely to be bankrupt for a very long time - they sat back and allowed a previous Council to pander to developers and build a ‘white elephant’ called the glasshouse.  They will be paying for this mistake for decades…..

    • An Economist says:

      02:34pm | 29/08/10

      2007 was the worst election for any party to win.

      The inevitability of the GFC meant that money had to be poured into the economy to stop it from falling into an abyss and all real policies had to be put on hold.

      Why Labor fought so hard to win in 2007 seems silly. They knew the Libs were on the nose so Labor could have sat back and watched everything fall into a heap and unemployment hit 20% while Howard and Costello still crowed about a budget surplus.

      Then in this election Labor would have swept to power seeing the Libs wander in the wilderness for decades after plunging into a financial crisis bigger than the depression. Typical Labor spending would have seen us out of the depression in short time.

      As it is now, neither party has won. Both are desperate and this will hobble the winner for years to come.

      The only saving grace will be the mining tax - hopefully it can be used to build a country again after it was left to ruin by the Libs for 11 years. Also, the NBN will be another masterful infrastructure project providing a boon for many future generations. If they occur….

    • MarK says:

      07:37pm | 29/08/10

      So glad you saw the GFC coming in 2007.

      How much did you make shorting the market? How do you account for Swan and Rudd trying to keep the inflation genie in the bottle and talk the economy down then?

      I love your assumptions after that. Please come back to us when you sober up.

    • Bob says:

      09:50pm | 29/08/10

      “... left to ruin by the Libs for 11 years”. I can only assume that you are being tongue-in-cheek!

    • BobM says:

      10:24pm | 29/08/10

      A Greek ‘economist’ by the look of it…...

    • Northern Steve says:

      11:25pm | 29/08/10

      I’m sorry, nothing in this comment makes any sense.  No party is going to try to lose an election in the hope the other party will implode while in office.  12 months ago, it already looked like the Liberals were in a wilderness for the next 3 terms.  The GFC was a political gift for Rudd, allowing him to take off his fiscal conservative mask and spend spend spend.  You also have to remember that the Liberals supported the first stimulus package, so if they had been in office, they would have likely done the same, following treasury advice.  Same result as with Labor - no 20% unemployment rate, no deep recession.

      There may be a sad lack of infrastructure in many areas, but a lot of that comes down to slack state Labor governments not pulling their weight, not the Federal government.

    • Robert S McCormick says:

      02:38pm | 29/08/10

      From whichever angle you view the results of Julia Gillard’s Federal Election Fiasco nothing gets away from the fact that under her leadership & with the backing of Wayne Swan the ALP lost their majority of 18 seats.
      That the ALP out-polled the Coalition on 1st Preferences under our system is immaterial.
      Despite the calls for the abolition of Compulsory Attendance at a Polling Booth & our Preferential Voting system, We can guarantee that neither the ALP, Coalition Parties nor the Independents,WANats or Greens will make any move to change the system.
      To do so would threaten, if not remove for ever, many candidates chances of ever being elected.
      Short of a 100% Computerised System, which we will probably never reach, it would be virtually impossible for the Australian Electoral Commission (AEC) to guarantee that each electorate held exactly the same number of voters. The best they can do is to get within a small number of votes. Maybe that is why we have Preferential Voting & though, at times, it may upset Parties & other Candidates, it is the fairest way.
      Abolish “Compulsory Voting” some might say.
      What would be the possible result?
      Though there was a huge increase in the number of people voting in the UK at their recent General Election, in the past voter turn-out has been as low as 28%. Just over a quarter of eligible voters decdied which Party would run the UK for the next 5 years. If that is not un-Democratic I don’t know of a better example.

    • owen heeps says:

      02:44pm | 29/08/10

      This seems a good call to me,it is highly probable we will have a hamstrung lower house,which will necessitate an election in the near future. God knows the people will be angry and either return to the major parties enmasse, or the indies will keep soaring and thus destabilize federal politics for the next decade.Will the leaders stand aside for lazerus Rudd and Turnbull, it seems highly probable one or both incumbent leaders will have to cop the blame for failing to win a clear majority

    • MarK says:

      03:16pm | 29/08/10

      “overwhelming scientific evidence of climate change”
      I laughed so hard at this….gawd.

      “But it could also be interpreted as a heartening first sign that if Tony Abbott is going to become prime minister, he’s not going to gleefully tie his hands and legs in knots from the get-go by responding to every request he gets from three blokes in three electorates, who now wield extraordinary influence over a nation comprising 150 electorates.”

      Agree - said it last week when people were asking what was he thinking.

      Basically agree. Better to have it free and clear than owing anyone anything…..like Gillards owes the faceless men that don’t show up to qanda.

    • Gerard says:

      03:49pm | 29/08/10

      Someone please correct me if I’m wrong, but it’s my understanding that it’s just as easy for the opposition to introduce a bill and have it voted on as it is for the government to do so. It is also within the power of independents to oppose a bill introduced by the party they supported to become the ‘government’.

      Therefore, whichever party is nominated as ‘the government’ can have bills blocked by the opposition and the independents, while the opposition, with support from the independents, can introduce legislation of their own, where it coincides with the interests of the independents’ electorates.

      All of which means that designating one party as the government and another as the opposition is just an irrelevant sideshow. Both parties will still be in a position to introduce legislation with the support of independents. What this debate is really about is money (cabinet members get paid more than shadow cabinet) and the personal ambitions of party members. It has nothing to do with governance of the country.

    • Northern Steve says:

      11:29pm | 29/08/10

      Writing good workable legislation, based on well-researched policies, would be almost impossible from Opposition.  It requires a certain skill-set found in the public service.  The Government has access to so many more resources than the opposition.  Ministers also direct the various departments under their control. 
      While legislating from opposition is technically possible, governing is a different matter altogether.

    • Steve_of_Cornubia says:

      05:27pm | 29/08/10

      Just a quick Q Penbo, because I haven’t followed every word from Fielding: has he said that climate change isn’t happening?

      I ask this question because it is important (for us ‘deniers’) to differentiate between the ‘climate change isn’t happening’ position (easily demolished by the warmists) and the ‘link between anthropogenic CO2 and climate change isn’t proven’ position, which is the more troublesome one for warmists.

    • Kirk says:

      06:04pm | 30/08/10

      It’s hardly troublesome.

      The link can’t be ‘proven’ (c.f. prove that ‘smoking kills’, or ‘prove gravity’) but it can reliably be inferred.  The chance that the link exists is great enough that the cost of doing nothing is far greater than the cost of acting.

      If you choose to ignore the risks, that’s your choice.  You just have your head in the sand.  I don’t understand why people are scared of acting on climate change - what’s the worst that will happen?  We’ll spend money on climate friendly infrastructure… which will create jobs… which is good.  We’ll have less dirty stinking power stations, less polluting cars on the road… which is good.

      The alternative is saves a few bucks (maybe $20 a week?  wow!) and continue to chance serious damage to the planet.  And enjoy lots of black coal smoke.  Mmm.

    • Holly says:

      05:59pm | 29/08/10

      You all seem to be assuming that Tony Abbott will still be leading the Liberal party in a years time.  I don’t think this will be the case as Malcolm will want to make his move before any new election.  I don’t know if this will make any difference.  They both seem to suffer from boy/man syndrome.  Malcolm’s appearance on Q and A last week was a little disconcerting if he is readying himself to be a future leader.

    • Rick says:

      06:53pm | 29/08/10

      What a croc.  The basic truth is that it is better to be in government able to do something than to be sitting powerless on the opposition benches.  Whichever party ends up being the government (or parties in the opposition case since they NEVER govern in their own right - they are always the Liberal/National/Liberal National Coalition and now of course they have to add in the Western Australian National who says he won’t sit as a coalition member).  In addition to that polyglot lot the Conservatives now have to add at least 3 other independents.  Now that is a recipe for instability.  Additionally does anybody seriously believe that once the disappointment of being back in Opposition sinks in Turnbull won’t be going after Abbott? There will be bloodletting in whichever side ends up in opposition and steady government could hand the victor a powerful tool for the next election.

    • Shane From Melbourne says:

      02:40am | 30/08/10

      Nah, have to disagree with you there. Having the Liberals preside during the GFC would have demolished once and for all the myth that the Liberals are better economic managers. (The basic fact is that both are crap. Labor is inept and Liberals are dumb)

    • Bensville Bear says:

      08:18am | 30/08/10

      Actually David you are right and none of this is theoretical.  Bob Carr laid down the template for how to perform as an opposition leader in this position during the minority Government of Greiner/Fahey.  Stand back, behave like a statesman-like alternative leader, raise money, campaign like buggery in marginal seats and watch the other side implode.  The benefit is that by the time you get there voters will be so fatigued with politics that they’ll keep you there for a decade.

    • Peter says:

      11:37am | 30/08/10

      I disagree Penbo. If one of the major parties can come to an agreement, do a good job and go close to full term, then i think they will benefit from it.

      There is no question that some things need change, like private members business. What’s the point of having independants if they can’t get to initiate a vote on anything?

      As long as the Indies demand remain reasonable, i have no reason to believe why we can’t have stable government.  Unless of course one of the major parties decides to sabotage things.

      Also, i thought it a bit strange that the Nationals are worried that the Indies might win concessions that they couldn’t. That being the case, what are the Nationals doing in parliament anyway? It seems they are there serving themselves and not their consituants…

      Very good point about Fielding though.. What’s he still doing there? He got rejected at the polls and shouldn’t be there till next July pushing any of his agendas.. This to me is further reason for some reform…

    • iansand says:

      11:51am | 30/08/10

      If there is an election in 6-12 months’ time what will happen to the independents?  My guess is that they will be hammered as people will vote for the majors to ensure that there will not be another minority government.  An independent member will be an unneeded luxury.

      That thought must be ticking away in the back of their minds.  It is a good reason to lock stability in for one side or the other.

 

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