If anyone else had said it they would have been laughed off the stage – but if you’re Australian football’s philosopher king, you can get away with a bit of bombastic overstatement.

Official photo from the launch of the Swans in 1982: Sheedy says the second Sydney club will give the Opera House a run for its money.

So it was that Kevin Sheedy, coach of the Essendon Football Club for a record 635 games over 27 consecutive years, declared that the AFL’s proposed creation of a new western Sydney team by 2012 was the sporting equivalent of the construction of the Sydney Opera House.

“When you look at the Sydney Opera House people said it would never happen,” Sheedy said. “What we’re about to do out here may come to be regarded in the same way as the Sydney Opera House now is.”

Sheeds made this massive call while speaking on a panel at a lavish AFL launch dinner for the Greater Western Sydney campaign ahead of the Sydney-Geelong match at Olympic Park’s Telstra Stadium on Saturday.

The event would have sent shivers down the spine of the NRL. Smack-bang in the middle of rugby league’s heartland, the AFL invited more than 1000 guests along to attend what felt more like the launch of a political campaign than an ordinary night at the footy, as Andrew Demetriou delivered a tub-thumping address arguing the national code has the money, the people, the patience and determination to win the hearts and minds of Sydney’s league-loving west.

It was the composition of the crowd which would be of most concern to rugby league. There were a number of people, like my wife and I, who are garden-variety expats from the AFL states who have always given much of the ballast to Sydney’s AFL audience and pose no real expansionist threat to rugby league.

But the bulk of the crowd came from two sources which have historically had no significant involvement with Aussie Rules – local government in western Sydney, and local businesses in western Sydney.

The best description for their demeanour on the night was curiosity. They’re people who have grown up with rugby league, but are clearly keen to hear from this cashed-up code that is ignoring the doomsayers and forging ahead with its push into what’s historically been seen as an Aussie Rules dead zone.

Two things were notable in the rhetoric Demetriou used on Saturday night.

The first was the appearance of the word “Greater” before what until now has been simply the “Western Sydney” franchise. This recasting of the club as “Greater Western Sydney” suggests the Vics who run the AFL are starting to get a better understanding of what makes Sydney tick, recognising that the term “Western Sydney” in isolation may be exclusionary to the Hills, to South Western Sydney, the northern beaches and the inner-west.

The second was the extent to which the AFL is tapping into Sydney’s multicultural personality to position itself as a unifying code which can bring communities together. Demetriou’s speech was followed by a slick video profile on a young Australian-Indian kid who plays junior Aussie rules in Parramatta and dreams of playing for the Western Sydney team.

My own personal view, as someone who grew up with Aussie Rules in SA, has been in Sydney for more than a decade, and who still loves AFL but also enjoys League, is that the AFL is a bit like the United States before it went into Iraq – big, rich, and powerful, but at risk of getting stuck into a protracted street-level battle with a nuggety local resistance in the form of the NRL’s heartland Sydney clubs.

But league should be worried that its traditionally rusted-on backers from local government and business are so curious about this exotic new code - a code which, needless to say, has had a much better time of it than league this year in avoiding the frequent and debilitating off-field dramas which turn parents and sponsors off sport.

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    • Xav says:

      03:34pm | 17/08/09

      Is the “slick video profile on a young Australian-Indian kid who plays junior Aussie rules in Parramatta and dreams of playing for the Western Sydney team” online yet?

      Would love to show it to my Australian-Indian girlfriend, who also live in Parramatta, to win her over to AFL

    • Rob M says:

      04:27pm | 17/08/09

      As somone who grew up in the Penrith area, I can tell you now that the AFL have got buckley’s chance of “converting” people west of lets say Parramatta. Nobody plays or follows Aerial Pingpong in these areas. A lot of people just think it’s Rugby League in western Sydney, it’s the round ball code as well. Just look at where the majority of players in the Australian national side come from. Soccer has the “multicultural” angle tied up, RL the mainstream westies/bogans.

    • Rob says:

      04:33pm | 17/08/09

      His comparison of setting up an AFL team in GWS versus the Opera House wasn’t about the actual end product once all the works been done -

      it was about the battle to build it up and sway the opinion of the public, commercial and government and turn their influence and input/investment in favour of the development of a building, compared to the same for the development of a new organisation/team.

    • mommo says:

      06:39pm | 17/08/09

      Good luck to the AFL, by all means in establishing a 2nd team in Sydney, but I query the commerciality of the decision. 

      Demetriou is right when he says it will be a long haul for the game to get a solid foothold, as Sydney is the most competitive football sports market in the country, with 4 football codes competing for a market share. 

      It seems to me, however, the AFL would be establishing a side that would be cannibalising the Swans own (tenuous) market share in Sydney, as distinct from building a new market. 

      I would have thought that the AFL’s goals in Sydney should be to build a player base sufficient to ensure the Swans are supplied with Sydney developed players, and leverage off “home grown” support to broaden the games market and appeal.

      While I applaud the AFL’s success, as a league supporter, it is frustrating that much of the financial value the NRL brings to Foxtel, is funneled into the AFL, which clearly does not perform nearly as well as NRL, in terms of television ratings (see Roy Masters http://www.smh.com.au/news/experts/roy-masters/double-or-nothing-why-the-nrl-tv-rights-are-worth-1-billion/2009/05)./15/1242335881328.html?page=2). 

      Granted, television value isnt the only measure of the health of a game (ie: crowd numbers), but surely you must consider, whether Mr Murdoch continue paying top dollar for your game post 2012, when you really aren’t anywhere near top dog in terms of financial value?

    • BM-dog says:

      07:02pm | 17/08/09

      I like your use of the word ‘slick’, David, because that sums up the AFL for me. Slick, commercial, no heritage, no heart. Give me the somewhat shambolic but still fiercely proud culture of league any day, and I’ll give the commercial nightmare that is the AFL a miss.

    • Ryano says:

      08:54pm | 17/08/09

      @ BM-dog LOL are you serious mate? You think the AFL is “commercial”?  What about the NRL? its half owned by an American media giant (News Corp)!
      The AFL is a non-for profit organization essentially owned by the 16 AFL clubs nationwide, who are intern owned by the paid members of those clubs.
      “no heritage, no heart”??  really, 150-years of Australian rules football since it was created in the Colony of Victoria…played in every state and territory in the land well before Federation (yes that includes NSW and Qld).
      Try again mate.
      @mommo really if you’re going to make an argument about TV ratings I wouldn’t bother quoting an old hack opinion piece by Roy Masters.
      If you look at the cumulative total for AFL games on Fox Sports, nation wide, this week alone and compare them with NRL, you will see they are both neck and neck. Not even mentioning the AFL TV audience on free to air smacks the NRL for 6 week in week out.

    • Pablo Escobar says:

      09:08pm | 17/08/09

      As a Sydney sider and South Australian ex-pat, I think two thriving and functioning AFL teams in Sydney will spell the begining of the end for League domination in NSW. There is nothing like a cross town rivalry to draw a croud, something that the Adelaide and Perth based clubs have done very well out of.

      At the end of the day we can listen to all the half-baked insults from both ‘thugby’ league fans and ‘aerial ping pong’ fans regardng which code is better or ‘harder’. Most people agree that AFL is in its ascendancy and the NRL will soon become a poor cousin. While NRL may attract a bigger audiance on TV, AFL has the advantage that it can pull both to games and on TV. NRL has sadly lacked the pulling power to the live games, other than state of origin.

      And to Rob M.. look no further to AFL for an example of multiculturalism. Mike Pike (Swans) of Canada. Setanna O’Hallipin (Carlton) Ireland. Andrew McLeod (Adelaide) NT and indigenous! It’s being taught to kids in Soeweto in Africa, being used as a peace building inatiive in Palestine/Israel and is the national sport of Nauru!!!

    • BM-dog says:

      09:23pm | 17/08/09

      I’m not talking about who owns what, I’m talking about the culture and spirit of the comp. It’s just a personal thing about what each sport ‘feels’ like. The vibe, if you will. And the way I see it, as a Sydneysider, is that league is a cheerfully incompetent but genuine sport that still loves its heritage and its roots - the enthusiasm for suburban grounds and the high value placed on local juniors being key examples of this. All I see from the AFL is polished marketing campaigns, tight media management, spiteful behaviour (see: Etihad Stadium naming rights debacle), playing games in cavernous stadiums miles away from the area a club represents… it doesn’t feel right to me. Not something I want to be part of.

      “Not even mentioning the AFL TV audience on free to air smacks the NRL for 6 week in week out.” Wrong, I’m afraid - league games beat the corresponding AFL games on FTA reasonably regularly and, although typically they are a bit behind, not by that much. Not to mention the 2million+ people who tune into every State of Origin match. AFL people like talking about how unpopular league is but it’s not a very strong argument when you look into it.

    • Ronald McDonald says:

      10:08pm | 17/08/09

      Pablo Escobar i dont know what planet you live on, AFL a international sport what the ....  The little media exercise in S. Africa what a joke, Naura population of 12. When are people like you going to open your eyes, there is only one sport in the world and everything else is a little side show. Football the world game. Afl and nrl are great sports but are nothing compared to football. Look at the World Cup , the biggest international sporting competition (bigger than the Olympics) . Look at the school yards across the country, have a look what ball the kids are kicking around. The future is inevitable.

    • Davo from St Kilda says:

      10:59pm | 17/08/09

      AFL will win in Western Sydney. That is a fact. Just like the Swans have won Sydney overall since 1981 with their average home crowd larger than any of the thugby crowds. As for who is winning in TV ratings, AFL has managed to earn $780 million over 5 years ($156 million per year) in TV rights while all rugby could get was $500 million over 6 years ($83.3 million per year). TV stations and advertisers wouldn’t pay nearly twice as much to the AFL if the rugby had more viewers, would they? Simple fact - AFL kills rugby both on the ground and at home in front of the tele. This is because our game is far superior to rugby. It’s like comparing the Australian cricket team to Canada’s…

    • Eels Freak says:

      11:48pm | 17/08/09

      Davo, sorry mate, the Swans have certainly NOT “won over” Sydney since 1981! They get good crowds when they are winning, which is occasionally…but TV ratings for most of their games are rivalled by the SBS Test Pattern. They have had the best part of 30 years to “take over”, get into the schools, become the talk of the offices on Mondays…but sorry mate, “Thugby” League as you call it is stronger than ever.
      AFL is a decent sport to watch live - I went to a few games back in 1996 when Sydney produced a good player called Plugger -  but League absolutely murders it for TV coverage. AFL has bitten off more than it can chew: there will always be a niche market in Sydney for the Swannies, but the Western Sydney franchise will end up being AFL’s Vietnam/Iraq. As for another posters comment that AFL is somehow international…don’t make us all laugh! It can never be anything but a domestic Australian sport, whereas League and Union can draw on international audiences and players can move to europe and make bigger money, not to mention their ability to draw on the endless supply of Polynesian talent.
      League, my friend is not going anywhere. Good luck with those “Blacktown Celtics” or whatever they named them anyway!

    • Ryano says:

      12:28am | 18/08/09

      @BM-dog SOO Rugby league is indeed a massive ratings puller, but it aint NRL so it does not count.
      AFL wins hands down in national TV viewers on free-to-air and on pay tv. FACT.

    • John Ryan says:

      12:33am | 18/08/09

      Our game is Superior to Rugby, well considering I doubt if you know the difference betwen the two rugbys that explains your appalling ignorance,but then you live in AFL land where the truth never penetrates.
      I suggest you lean why the AFL got what it did,it was Packer on his deathbed trying to trump 7,and if you think the Swans are going great in Sydney wait till the lose on a regular basis,the crowd will evaporate as fast as it formed.
      I see Ryano up the page pushing the tired old barrow of AFL ratings,funny when a few times this year NRL in 2 city’s has beaten AFL with 5,and if you add regonals it becomes a lot less clear.
      Because the Regionals in NSW and QLD beat the regionals in WA, SA and Victoria,and the NSW and QLD watch NRL not AFL,in Sydney who cares if 30,000 turn up for a Swans game,how much advertising do they see.
      When the Swans moved to Sydney we had all this crap fron Sheedy and co,the AFL people should stick to what they know,which from reading whats on here is very little.
      And to the SA expat don’t worry about Sydney councils, if the AFL is silly enough to throw on a free feed I would have turned up and listened to Vlad spout BS for an hour

    • Jonathan says:

      07:52am | 18/08/09

      I, for one, can’t wait to have another team to not care about.  Even more so if it has some ridiculous anthropomorphised name like “Western Spirit” or “West Sydney Force” or “Greater Western Sydney Momentum” or something.

      As long as someone keeps playing repeats of Antiques Roadshow I will happily avoid the strutting homo-eroticism (not that there’s anything wrong with that) of all the football codes.

    • Max Emery says:

      08:40am | 18/08/09

      The author is in for a rude shock. No one in Western Sydney is interested and you can expect the bulk of the supporters of the new team to come from current Swans fans. That the author seems to think that 100 people going to the launch of the new team is representative of the strength of interest is pitiful.

      Who would you expect at the launch of an AFL team?

      The answer to that question is why the author’s reasoning is as sound as the Zimbabwe Dollar.

      Right now, do you honestly think that the people of Sydney are thinking about AFL at all?

      No one cares. They don’t care about the current teams and they certainly don’t care about any new teams.

      AFL has gone backwards in Sydney/NSW over the past 4 years. The ratings are embarrassing, the crowds are dwindling. It’s an arrogant move that will probably bring “Vlad” Demetriou “The Emporer of AFL” undone.

      Throw as much money as you like at it Vlad, there isn’t a snowflake’s chance in hell that it’ll work.

    • mommo says:

      09:36am | 18/08/09

      Ryano says: 12:28am | 18/08/09 and Ryano says: 08:54pm | 17/08/09

      Yes, Masters is an old league hack, but I was quoting his facts, rather than his views.

      Sydney is the market the AFL is targeting remember, not a nation wide audience as you put it. 

      All indications are that AFL is a television ratings failure in NSW (and for that matter Qld and NZ, which is part of leagues market).  Even the local amateur rugby union comp in Sydney, the Shute Shield, which is shown on the ABC on Saturday afternoons, regularly out rates whatever AFL game is being shown AT THE SAME TIME on 7 or 10 (free to air).

      Which brings me back to my original point, that the AFL will need to be in western Sydney and expend a lot of money for a very long time to be successful.  Demetriou is a determined administrator, who clearly loves his game, and I admire his boldness, but I question his commercial judgment on whether Sydney really can accommodate a second team, let alone desire one.

      The proof is in the precedent, just look at the Swans…28 years in Sydney, only 1 premiership, no local players, barely 20,000 attending home games and poor TV ratings in Sydney for home games…hardly a ringing endorsement for the establishment of a new team in the Sydney market. 

      The Swans performance is roughly the same as the Storm in Melbourne (12 years in Melbourne, 2 Premierships, 2 minor premierships, no local players, around 20,000 attending a game, poor TV ratings in Melbourne for home games.) 

      Based on AFL’s thinking, Melbourne needs another League team. 

      I dont think so!!!!

    • McDil says:

      10:18am | 18/08/09

      The writing’s on the wall for league. Say what you will about the popularity of the AFL in the frontier states (QLD and NSW) but the fact is there will still be, in 2012, four teams in those areas. Four. Compare that to league teams in WA, SA, and VIC. Not to mention the interest in the game in Tasmania and the Northern Territory - yep, exactly zilch.

      League is a suicidal code. It’s sitting in the bath waiting for its wrists to bleed out as it goes slowly into a deep, terminal sleep. It’s audience is fixed - there is no opportunity for growth. This audience is being chipped away by union, soccer, and a renewed push from the AFL. Scandals hang over League like hams in a salumeria. Despite how many westies might love it now, anyone with a modicum of talent will chase the bigger money in the AFL - not to mention the nation fame and exposure.

      Watching League on tv is like watching the WAFL. Dilapidated grounds, small crowds, and a mutton-as-lamb style of presentation. Yeh stick some cheerleaders out there, that’ll distract the viewer from the crumbling infrastructure and brown lawn!

      There’s no hope for League short of abandoning the code and merging with Union.

    • Ned says:

      10:30am | 18/08/09

      Twenty-odd years ago when the Swans were establishing in Sydney, the social elite of the city would turn up for lavish launches (I remember one at the Sydney Town Hall). They were all there at the invitation of the Swan’s PR company, and they were all on feebies. Once the competition started and the launch hoopla ended, they were nowhere to be seen. So that is why the “elite” of Westeren Sydney turned up at Vlad’s launch/lunch. They will evaporate in time when the freebies dry up.

      Mommo is right, there’s room in Melbourne for one NRL team and room in Sydney for one AFL side.  If Mr Demetriou wants to splash the AFL’s millions up against the wall, he should should be free to do so. He’ll learn and he’ll learn the hard way.

    • Trevor says:

      03:09pm | 18/08/09

      Swans drew a TV audience of 85,000 in Sydney for a game against Geelong, which is a pretty typical viewing audience for them. They are constantly beaten by the Iron Chef on SBS. They have a loooong way to go to get any serious penetration into the Sydney TV market.

    • Ryano says:

      03:43pm | 18/08/09

      @mommo
      NSW born players for Sydney Swans in 2008:  Lewis Roberts-Thomson, Kieran Jack, Paul Bevan, Leo Barry, Brett Kirk, Henry Playfair, Jarrad McVeigh, Ben Mathews

    • mommo says:

      06:22pm | 18/08/09

      Ryano says: 03:43pm | 18/08/09

      C’mon on Ryano, get real…AFL has existed for over 150 years, and for 28 years its had a professional team in Sydney…and after all that time, money and effort all you have is 8 players (out of squad of what 30 or so professionals)...it would be a struggle to field a competitive professional all NSW AFL side, and you know it. 

      Frankly, for a code that claims to be the national code, its pretty embarrassing. 

      For all the NRL doomsayers out there, who say league is dying…there’s no hope…the writing is on the wall etc. stop deluding yourselves about the grandeur of your respective codes. 

      You are saying nothing different than what the Rugby union administrators were saying 100 years ago when the breakaway code was formed (who like you, had the audacity and arrogance to look down their nose at League then, and still do) .  In spite of what they said, League is still played. 

      Really, if the AFL’s takeover of Western Sydney, NSW and Qld on the back of league’s supposed (and apparently perpetual) demise can so easily be done as Demetriou seems to think, then it would have been done over a century a go.

      And, further, if the AFL is such a profitable product for television as some of you argue and that it dominates the ratings, why didnt Murdoch attempt to seize control of the AFL, as opposed to Rugby League?  Murdoch maybe from SA (an AFL state), but he’s no fool…he went for the code that will make him money.

      Its all a little ironic for me.  A proud Victorian in the form of Demetriou proposing to make a big, dubious investment in NSW?  Perhaps NSW should poach Demetriou and make him Premier…he at least has a vision (however ill-advised).

    • GAY FL SUX says:

      06:33pm | 18/08/09

      GOOO THEEEEEEEE PANTHERSSSSSSSS

    • Jon says:

      11:06am | 06/11/09

      The strange thing is AFL has be played in Sydney since 1903. So its not a new game to Western Sydney. The game has had a lack media exposure in the West but this will change. Go luck to Western Sydney.

 

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