Perhaps the lack of bold vision for Australia in the election campaign thus far can be understood by looking at what happened to Kevin Rudd. He was the last mainstream political leader to stand before the country making bold promises about the future, and look where he ended up.

The good ol' days: Protesters at Woomera detention centre in 2002.

John Howard may have been victim of a tired electorate looking for a change in 2007, but he was also hobbled by the thousand pin-pricks sustained in attacks by left-wingers on a range of issues.

The “Howard haters” were angry about the Iraq war, reconciliation, asylum seekers, and climate change. Rudd said he would do something about all of these. In what is now one of the great political parables about the dangers of overpromising, Rudd’s efforts in some of these areas would ultimately prove his undoing.

He brought the combat troops back from Iraq, ratified Kyoto, ended the Pacific Solution and apologised to the stolen generations.

Three years on and there is no global or local consensus on tackling climate change. Asylum seekers arriving by boat are a hot political issue again, and something very like the Pacific Solution is likely to make a return. Rudd revealed in his first “closing the gap” speech outlining progress on reconciliation, the day-to-day problems facing Australia’s indigenous people have changed little.

And as the bodycount mounts in Afghanistan, some of the same old noises about the fight against the Taliban being “not our war” have been resurfacing in the more radical – and I don’t mean that pejoratively, it’s a valid opinion to hold – corners of the blogosphere.

This isn’t to suggest grand gestures like ratifying Kyoto and the apology are of no consequence. They do matter. They can make powerful statements about national identity, leadership and courage.

The apology was a significant moment in the Australian story and something deeply meaningful to those affected. Signing Kyoto got Australia inside the tent on climate change. (And yes, once inside we got ratf**ked by those Chinese f**kers, as Rudd himself so memorably said.)

It was his inability to deliver on climate change action that started Rudd’s ratings slide. In his final appearance on the 7.30 Report Rudd protested non-stop about his government’s tough approach to reform.

This belligerence about being a government tackling the big challenges has been replaced by Gillard’s more conciliatory leadership style. So far at least, there have been no sweeping reform programs announced, no commitments to change the country – just to move it forward.

In short, it appears Gillard is keen to avoid Rudd’s mistake of promising too much.

But where are the voices agitating for the traditional left issues in this campaign?

The signal issue in this is on asylum seekers. Where are the powerful voices seeking an end to mandatory detention? Progressive activist group GetUp! hasn’t issued a media release on the matter for weeks.

What about MPs who object to offshore processing? Why aren’t they out there complaining that the official stated policy of both Australian political parties involves mandatory detention?

The obvious answer is that Labor in particular is happy for The Greens to seek out the fringe of voters and then mop up their preferences under their deal. GetUp! is about to mount a campaign on pricing carbon, but there is no sign yet that either major party is prepared to do something bold on environment policy

That’s because there’s no longer any sense of urgency on the issue.

Between Tampa in 2001 and Rudd’s election in 2007 there has been a consistent group of bleeding hearts – again, not a pejorative – advocating for the interests of asylum seekers, seeking action on the environment and changes in Australia’s defence arrangements.

This pressure built on Howard over years and he tried to manage it. He announced an emissions trading scheme and proposed a referendum to recognise indigenous Australians in the Constitution.

But the progressives were joined by a jaded electorate, and the dam burst. Voters turned to Rudd as leader who promised to deliver on key concerns of the louder elements of the progressive establishment.

Where are they now?

There’s not much time left for them to make a mark on this campaign.

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    • Joan says:

      06:22am | 21/07/10

      Nothing comes bigger than the knifing of a popular peoples PM-  Rudd. by his own.- after that anything that Gillard says is a non-event - boring. The knifing was the climax. The event was` Animal Farm ` enacted - Rudd as Snowball, Gillard as Squealer, Howes as Napolean and gullible voters The Sheep.

    • James1 says:

      09:56am | 21/07/10

      Have you even read Animal Farm?  Please do not insult George Orwell like that.

    • Joan says:

      12:26pm | 21/07/10

      Jame1-  This is Punch - get it!
      Snowball- gains and wins voters = Rudd
      Napolean- a large fierce looking boar, tyrant on Lateline 23rd June= Howes
      Squealer:- manipulates language to excuse and justify= Gillard

    • alison says:

      12:45pm | 21/07/10

      Paul why are you surprised Getup hasnt issued a media release in weeks on assylum seekers? they always were a front for for the Labor Party and a gullible media went along with the facade they were something else ...

    • Beagle says:

      12:53pm | 21/07/10

      I’d have to say John Howard PM for how many years?,  losing his seat in the last election by popular vote would have to top Rudd’s downfall.

      Although It provided much amusement rather than “shock horror”

    • Robert Smissen Rural SA says:

      01:25pm | 21/07/10

      James1, you are kidding right, George Orwell would ROFLOL! !

    • James1 says:

      04:32pm | 21/07/10

      Sorry, Joan, I just don’t see it.  You’re stretching.

      Robert - I’m sure he might, but only because Joan has clearly misunderstood his work by such a wide margin.  I still imagine he would feel a little insulted, though, as I am sure (after reading “Politics and the English Language”) he wrote Animal Farm so that pretty much no one could miss the point as Joan so clearly has.  Or perhaps she understood, and deliberately corrupted it.  Either way, Orwell would not be happy once he recovered from his laughing fit.

      alison - its “asylum”.  Your persistent incorrect spelling of such a basic word brings the rest of your posts into question.

    • Christian Real says:

      08:04pm | 21/07/10

      Former Liberal Prime Minister John Gorton seems to have been rolled in a party room spill in March 1971, by William McMahon, who then took over as Prime Minister.
      Perhaps you were still in nappies when that happened, or maybe you weren’t even born then.
      The Liberal party aren’t shy of ‘knifing’ Prime Ministers as well.

    • Brad of Bentleigh says:

      07:03am | 21/07/10

      You ask why… the answer is they’re [the left,] are all hypocrites. Faux outrage on these issues, when all the while, it’s somply conservatives they hate… hypocrites!

    • Reservoir Dog says:

      09:02am | 21/07/10

      No, it’s not that. The Left can make as much noise as they want but the politicians know that it won’t make a difference to the vote.

      The vote lies where David Penberthy said it did on Monday. In the outer suburbs of most Eastern capital cities. These people are not Lefties and do not sympathise with the issues of the Left.

      You could have the most heart-wrenching story about rape, torture and starvation from an asylum seeker but as soon as those “illegal immigrants” start “taking our taxes” then you’ve lost the sort of people that are to vote in the government.

      The big issues of the Left don’t matter in this campaign. Lining the pockets of the suburban “working family battler doin’ tough in the GFC cos of those Mac Bankers + I want another plasma” does.

    • Brad of Bentleigh says:

      12:52pm | 21/07/10

      The people you describe, Resevoir, are Howards battlers and I agree that its their vote that wins elections. Matial gain is natural, and perfectly appropriate. The people I was referring to (as asked about in the peice above) are the militant protestors… were are these hypocrites now? Why are they not putting their outrage on display now that the ALP has adopted all of the coalitions policies on illegal boat arrivals? - because they’re hypocrites… led [by the nose] by cheif hypocrite, Julian Burnside.

    • Reservoir Dog says:

      01:30pm | 21/07/10

      The Left probably are putting their outrage on display. The media’s probably not paying attention to them and nor are the pollies as the Left are not the ones that have any voice in this campaign.

      The media only cares about selling papers/advertising/website clicks and will follow the people. Before, people (mainly Gen Y) cared about Left issues. Now they don’t.

    • Chris L says:

      01:42pm | 21/07/10

      Maybe they’re feeling lazy and are just posting comments on the Punch today Brad (for all the good that would do).

    • Brad of Bentleigh says:

      03:36pm | 21/07/10

      You may be right to a certain extent, Res. But I’ve actually heard the likes of Julian Burnside come out and actually praise ALP off shore processing policy… an almost carbon copy of Howard’s off shore processing policy… that to me, is the height of hypocracy.
      You certainly have a point re the media, though I think that the perception that people cared about left issues before (2007) was because the media told them to care. There was/is a definite bias (in the media) towards these issues when we have conservative government, the left are forgiven such perceived sins though when they’re in power, again, hypocracy in my view.

    • DC says:

      05:25pm | 21/07/10

      Oh, so the left are all hypocrites, hey?

      What a load of BS and pure unadulterated Liberal Spin.

      I could level the same accusation that all right wingers are hypocrites, but I won’t bother - there’s no point in stating the obvious.

      Honestly, all I have to do is mention Tony Abbott and his backdown on the IR Reform he’s been promising to Small Business for the past 9 months.  Bishop for that matter as well.  Throw Abetz, Hockey and Billson in, and it’s clear the Liberal Party is a party made up of hypocrites.

      All promised to go to the election on IR reform - all have backed away from it.

    • Brad of Bentleigh says:

      09:25pm | 21/07/10

      You’re kidding, DC. Actually try an “read” the posts, and try to think, if you can manage that…

    • Russell says:

      07:09am | 21/07/10

      Its true, Labor hard-heads are happy that most of what used to be called “the left” is now outside their ranks (they used to make the ALP unelectable), and that the fringe maddies have gone to Greens.

      But its wrong to say this is universally good news for them. A Green vote may well be a Labor vote in disguise in most lower house seats, but in key marginals, it isn’t. They’re the affluent inner city seats, where the warm inner glow burns bright. The Greens have already “claimed” Tanner’s seat of Melbourne. Next to go, Albo (Grayndler) and Plibersek (Sydney).

      It won’t go much further than that (I’m not sure about Perth and Brisbane). At the State level in NSW, there’s Balmain and Marrickville.  Ironically though, all these members are all from Labor’s left wing.

      The “left” is eating its own.

    • Edward says:

      08:06am | 21/07/10

      This is bad news. One Green, or his/her minor party must never be delivered balance of power. 

      I am concerned that our country will fall into their hands by default.  With the Greens, unions and Labor trio telling us what to think, say and do, the last three years of incompetence would look like a joy-ride.

      Rudd-Gillard is looking more like Gillard-Howes-Brown every second.  Pity help us.

    • BobM says:

      10:00am | 21/07/10

      The Greens have stitched a deal to make sure they get another Senate seat in exchange for giving Labor lower house seats. Paul Howes, the Union leader who bragged he had endorsed Gillard as the PM, said in the Daily Telegraph on Sunday said that the Greens are green on the inside and Red on the inside. A vote for the Greens has always effectively been a vote for Labor. Many Greens voters are, unfortunately, unaware of this. However, an effective strategy to deny the Labor candidate of Greens preferences is if you are a Liberal voter in a safe Labor seat where the Greens are nevertheless doing well, instead of voting Liberal (which would otherwise be a wasted vote), vote 1 Green and preference Labor last, because if the Green candidate gets the 2nd most primary votes, all their Labor preferences become meaningless.  Preference voting is more tactical than a political commitment.

    • Old Clive says:

      10:05am | 21/07/10

      It would be good to see the back of Albo, I don’t think I have ever seen a more abhorrent person at the dispatch box. I think vitriol must be his second name. I would also be pleased to see the last of some of the nodding ninnies behind the dispatch box, their vacant smiles remind me of the morons who put them there, how’s that for vitriol. Maybe I should join the ALP more particularly the left batch. Being one of the faceless men would be better, all pay and no responsibility, the cry of the union movement from eternity to eternity.

    • Steve says:

      11:00am | 21/07/10

      @ Edward says: I think your RIGHT it is far better to have the balance of power in the senate held by some extreme RIGHT wing fundamentalist liberal break away group like family first. Helps protect the spin doctors from the EGOnomic Howard and Costello years!

    • cityboy @ Sydney says:

      11:32am | 21/07/10

      There is nothing “left” about the NSW Government. They are as beholden to big business (Labor mates and donors only, if you don’t mind) as the Libs. The Greens are steadily claiming the turf that was once Labor, and to a lesser extent the “small L” Liberals. It should be no surprise they are polling so well.

    • TheRealSteve says:

      12:10pm | 21/07/10

      The problem for most people is that they don’t understand how our voting system actually works - that it’s as another poster stated a ‘tactical’ system where the individual voter has to make a choice that gives, on balance, as most to your preferred party and least to your most hated party. This means also thinking about what other people are going to do with their vote and making a calculated decision with that in mind.

      The problem with this is that most people either don’t know this or don’t care. The contempt felt by the major parties and most of the media for the average voter is palpable. Take for instance the ‘a vote for Green is a vote for Labor’ bullshit. They know that the allocation of preferences is an individual choice and that How To Vote cards are merely advice on how to vote. But they act as if people are so stupid that they’re incapable of making up their own minds once they’ve absorbed this. In my experience most people don’t even read the cards.

      Personally I think it’s kind of a crappy system that entrenches a couple of bloated, complacent parties at the expense of real representation, but it seems nothing is going to change while the major players still hold this contempuous view of the public

    • John A Neve says:

      01:12pm | 21/07/10

      TheRealSteve,
      How right you are. But don’t blame the major parties, put the blame where it really lies. The electorate, those welded on mice who follow their tune and the beating drum.
      Those that believe all one side says and nothing the other side says.
      Democracy!!! What’s that they say.

    • Muzz says:

      02:28pm | 21/07/10

      Interesting isn’t it.  The Greenies are all in inner city seats.  They’ll have to change their drinks from chardonnay to creme de menthe if they want to see green.

    • Jeremy says:

      07:14am | 21/07/10

      I’m sure they’d love a News Ltd gig to advocate for progressive policies.

    • Hamish says:

      12:53pm | 21/07/10

      Jeremy, Fairfax still has newspapers…it’s just not that many people read them.

    • dead to me says:

      07:16am | 21/07/10

      Where is Rudd? Apparently back on the campaign trail. But as a registered voter I want to know why he isn’t the leader of the ALP? Julia needs to face up and tell us the truth. Running away from the matter and ‘moving forward’ trying to bury the issue shows lack of integrity.

    • DC says:

      05:34pm | 21/07/10

      Erm - don’t you ever read the news?

      Fact is, you vote for you local candidate - not for the PM (unless they happen to be your local candidate).  The Political Party votes for it’s leader - this includes the Liberals.

      In many ways, the removal of Rudd was a lot cleaner than the removal of Nelson and Turnbull.

      Ahhh, but you’re going to say “it’s different because they weren’t the PM”.

      You’d be correct - but then again, maybe you should look back at Liberal Party history to Billy McMahons knifing of John Gorton.

      Gillard certainly wasn’t the first to do it - nor was Keating.

    • Yet another Dave says:

      07:36am | 21/07/10

      Looks like most of the lefties are hitting The Punch’s comments.

    • Seano says:

      07:44am | 21/07/10

      I suspect most of them are more concerned about Abbott getting in because Abbott embodies all the the worst aspects of Howard and none of the good ones.

    • Diamantina Dick says:

      09:09am | 21/07/10

      Seano, what would you regard as the good ones?

    • Seano says:

      10:59am | 21/07/10

      Howard was smart. Abbott isn’t.

    • Helen says:

      11:23am | 21/07/10

      Were you saying Howard was smart in 2007? I bet you were one of the awe struck kevin07 crowd, who is now an awe struck Gillard Union groupie by the looks of your many comments.

    • Seano says:

      12:24pm | 21/07/10

      I’m not about to defend Howard. He screwed the workers with work"choices” and they hung him for it and deservedly so. Had he not done that he would have been returned at the last election, even smart men make mistakes. Greed is never a good thing.

      “who is now an awe struck Gillard Union groupie by the looks of your many comments. “

      As a opposed to a right wing ranter trotting out the usual hive mind rhetoric and lame insults?

    • Diamantina Dick says:

      12:32pm | 21/07/10

      Tony Abbott is a Rhodes Scholar with a degree in Economics and Law from the University of Sydney and a graduate degree in Politics and Philosophy from Oxford University, but Seano, you are a hard marker!

    • Seano says:

      02:15pm | 21/07/10

      And yet still he constantly says dumb things. Goes to show that book smarts can only take you so far.

    • pete m says:

      03:30pm | 21/07/10

      Whatever Seano.  Such glib paranoia is not worthy of debate.  you are o better than that Labor scum who claimed people were suiciding over his policies (apart from the logical or practical impossibility of an opposition leader having policies in law).  Just another dumb bigotted attack.  Abbott counselled against WorkChoices and for the apology.  so much for your “knowledge” and views.  Bigot.

      Kristen Kenneally is a catholic - i don’t see you getting after her policies being ‘coloured” by her religion.  Bigot and hypocrit.

      gillard is a member of Emily’s list.  she says she wont raise abortion issue, but you know where she stands,  abortion on demand and up to birth.  but don’t tell the hard working families - keep that little nugget hidden!  Bigot, hypocrit and deceiver.

    • Steve says:

      12:08am | 22/07/10

      @Diamantina Dick says and pete m says: Seano is correct with his statement Greed is never a good thing.
      I for one would never make any defence of the Howard Costello fiasco of EGOnomics of this country. Maybe Tony being all things great and wonderful a Rhodes scholar with a degree in Economics and Law from the University of Sydney and a graduate degree in Politics and Philosophy from Oxford University could explain why we were left with so much debt from those great years??
      The reforms of the Hawke/Keating years- floating the currency, overhauling tariffs, liberalising the financial system, managing industrial relations through the Accord and enterprise bargaining – were massive economic changes that transformed our economy.
      Howard must have thanked them everyday for his good fortune and the machine that played one of the most racists slights of hand in Australian politics powered by Hanson preference vote needless to say!. Claims by Howard and treasurer Peter Costello that their economic management skills were superior were misleading. Howard and Costello did a really good job of educating the Australian public; (The Dumbing Down Of The Nation Programme) at a cost also to us of about $3mil per week to help us believe that the kinds of things they’ve pushed through had been responsible for the boom. They’ve argued that the surpluses they’ve presided over generated the boom. They’ve argued that paying down Australia’s public debt is very important for the boom. But a budget surplus is a consequence of a strong economy, not the cause of it- all the reforms of their predecessors created the platforms for these things to take place. What we were left with due to deregulation was huge national debt; debt soared from a mere $700 billion in 1997 up to $3.2 trillion by the close of their term. An increase of 387%.  Interestingly Labor’s stimulus package comes in at about 1% of the total. Deregulation brought growth all right. They may well brag that it left office with zero debt - zero government debt that is - as the upshot of policy was to lump it onto the consumer. The first home buyer grant that artificially inflated house prices out of everyone’s reach sold every profitable publicly owned enterprise to get a very short sighted budget surplus pushed out the credit systems where people were actually given one two and three credit cards…. And we wonder how and why the GFC happened!!! Same ideology in place only we saved the recession this time and started to build the things that were need for all those years of that false economy. The reason for all the petulant obstructiveness is that at some point the ruse they created will be exposed… better we go into recession and pay off the debt?? At least it takes the spotlight off the one who created the problem in the first place!! As for substance and policy from sound byte Tony I think they would be of no use - there is little to show from his own record being it in political life or public that would indicate anything other. The party machine seems to govern, critical of any plan that will forward the benefits of all. Yet for their past term in the climate of unabated wealth the captains of EGOnomic genius have very little to show if anything of substance at all. So again we’re at the same place in history… yes I’m listening to the machine and whoever they place up front but no substance yet.!! A record of filling the bath tub for ten years to only pull out the plug at the end and wonder where did it all go? No building no policy and still no substance!!!!! Empty vessels make most sound!!!

    • Seano says:

      12:28am | 22/07/10

      @pete m - Not worthy of debate?

      And yet you’ve put words in my mouth that I’ve never said and manufactured support for the Keneally government that I don’t.

      And then you’ve proceeded to valliantly shoot down things I haven’t said. I’m not sure how that’s a debate mate?
      I’m not real sure how name calling is debate either? Perhaps you know better.

      I take it that unlike Tony you’re not a rhodes scholar, a couple of points for you.

      1. Abbott on workchoices:
      “Let me begin my contribution to this debate by reminding members that workplace reform was one of the greatest achievements of the Howard government”
      SOURCE: HOUSE OF REPS, HANSARD, 13 AUGUST 2009
      Sounds to me like he supported workchoices, he said it in parliament after all.

      2. Emily’s list believe in Equity, Diversity, Choice, Equal Pay and Child Care.

      OMG how evil are these people?

    • Dan says:

      02:54am | 22/07/10

      pete m, the difference between Abbott and Kenneally is that Kenneally, as health minister, didn’t try to ban RU486. Abbott did. He has form.

    • wok says:

      07:59am | 21/07/10

      They might have got jobs

    • Jason CR says:

      08:13am | 21/07/10

      Jobs?? I’ve got more chance of playing full forward for the Bulldogs or flying to Mars.

    • Nicole says:

      09:14am | 21/07/10

      @Jason CR, now where have I heard that one before???

    • Robert Smissen Rural SA says:

      01:36pm | 21/07/10

      Jobs? ? ? Don’t be silly, they’ve moved to Nibin to grow “life enhancing herbs” living off the backs of “working families”

    • Pete says:

      08:04am | 21/07/10

      Maybe the Lefties have been manouvering behind the scenes all along - surreptitiously - in thrusting out Rudd.  Now is that not the Leftists against the electorate, against the public voice?  Who voted Rudd in?  The people.  Who voted him out?  The Unionists.  Do we not set Leftist Liberalism here?  After all, Julia Gillard is far more to the Left, Progressiveness and Communism that even Rudd.  So Rudd had to go.  In comes a double Red!

    • Reservoir Dog says:

      09:08am | 21/07/10

      “Who voted Rudd in?”

      The people of the electorate of Griffith.

      “Who voted Rudd out?”

      No-one. He’s still the representative for the seat of Griffith. He’s never been voted out. He may not be the Labor leader but that matters little to anyone with a clue.

      Please get an understanding of the Westminster system before you go making stupid statements like this. It hurts my eyes.

    • Gregg says:

      10:48am | 21/07/10

      You can attempt to disguise it all you like doggie with westminster cloth
      But the fact remains
      Krudd was elected by his electorate and had already been elected by Labor parliamentarians as their leader as much of a square peg in a round hole as he was for the Labor red mould.
      Kev knew he was made leader for a populist move, someone that people would be attracted to as a modern day Labor guy, blurring the differences and he too stretched that his way in how he chose to ignore caucus as much as he could.
      The Labor Unionist reds didn’t like that and so they now have Julia attempting to disguise her own real background and that of those behind her as she also blurs the differences but only for as long as they will put up with her.
      You cannot however change the mess that has been created, the hopeless financial management and the vagueness of policy.
      You’re right though that it does not matter to those with a clue for we recognise Labor for what it is.

    • David C says:

      10:50am | 21/07/10

      Reservoir dog you cant run around all Kevvy 07 at the last election and then turn around at this one and talk party voting.

    • Samuel says:

      11:21am | 21/07/10

      Spot on David, the “you vote parties in, not leaders” is one of the weakest and most hypocritical arguments you can think of.  The mechanics of the system might mean we technically vote parties, and they pick the leader, but no reasonable person treats elections that way. 
      Last campaign Labor made all kinds of noise about the uncertainty created by Howard refusing to guarantee he’d serve a full term.  Didn’t hear Labor folk saying “we vote in parties not leaders” then.

    • Reg says:

      11:35am | 21/07/10

      Wake up Gregg, the reds left with the Menzies demise. For one who claims to have a clue you seem to be missing something. Besides you’re sounding a little overwrought. Perhaps you are trying to suggest that the Colition does NOT seek a populist leader. If that’s the case you succeeded very well with friend Howard and now this one. 

      I have no illusions about our current leaders background, are you privy to secret files you need to tell us about Gregg with two Gs?

      “Blurring the difference”  ... what a joke.

    • Anthony of Wa says:

      11:49am | 21/07/10

      Reservoir dog, no doubt you are one of those that also say Abbott is a danger for Australia? Whats the problem we are not electing him are we? only those in his seat are doing that.

    • Reservoir Dog says:

      01:49pm | 21/07/10

      @Samuel

      Reasonable people do treat elections that way. Only morons are dazzled by shiny lights and slogans. Some of us make a choice out of the parties and policies presented to us, even if we don’t agree with all of them, we still make a choice based on that.

      @Anthony of Wa

      I don’t necessarily say that about Abbott. But the Libs are never to my liking because they are right wing whereas I’m more of a centrist lefty. ie govt needs to provide essential services that the community needs + govt needs to take an active role in managing the economy (budget deficit where necessary to prop up the economy) + govt needs to iron out inequalities where they exist etc

    • Gregg says:

      04:17pm | 21/07/10

      Forget the perhaps and besides Comrade Reggie but the OP was about the rise and fall of your not quite a leader initiated by the overwrought minds of a Labor few, right and far left or reds, they both have an e for a vowell so you shouldn’t get too worked up on the concept that even Julia has recognised in wearing a furry black hat with a red star for posing in Red Square.
      The numbers dumped Kruddy because it looked like the experiment was headed south, the polls having turned.
      You need to wake up and move forward Reggie for Julia wants you to believe that is happening with her burying Kevvie as much as possible and going for more Metooisms
      But you look to the past if it helps you remember better times and ones you will never see with Labor.
      The Liberals at least acknowledge differences of view and opinion re policy and are quite open about a leadership challenge, the very reason Tony Abbott was elected in a close result.
      If you have no illusions on your current leaders background whether it be leader’s or leaders’ backgrounds, dream on comrade and sorry for disturbing the raw nerve - nah!.
      Do you think another Greg with two gs might be mulling over possibilities? but he wouldn’t want to count on you as a numbers man who can only see two in Gregg!
      The joke will even with a Julia win be a Julia joke with two first term once PMs sitting with another - the undercurrents wow!

    • Reg says:

      12:04am | 22/07/10

      Still overwrought I see Gregg.  70 words and only two misplaced commas to add to the pointless tirade.

      The thing you have failed to discern Comrade Gregg, is that the Liberal Party is in a state of inner-remorse over inhumane aspects of the Howard period and is trying to reconstruct an image that separates itself from your friend John’s attempt to make up for some slight of his youth. You would do well emulating your parties attempt at reconstruction Gregg. You’re living in the past as one would expect of a conservative who despises change.  Else do a JOHN and retire with your silly frenetic outmoded rantings safe under your bed with Menzies’ imaginary commies.

      I do hope you don’t have any sharp implements close at hand Gregg, given your obviously fragile state of mind. 

      For the record I am right of Mandela, left of Jefferson and far more Libertarian that Obama. That would leave the Liberal Party anything BUT liberal and more on the plane of Genghis Khan. So no doubt you feel at home Gregg, and it does help explain your determination to retain you old fashioned intransigence.

    • acotrel says:

      08:13am | 21/07/10

      Rudd’s demise was clearly down to the effect the mining companies had on the Labor party backbenchers, with their magnificently financed advertising campaign in the face of an election.  It’s quite an achievement to depose a popularly elected PM.  It shows the political power of big corporations in Australia, and how weak our democracy really is!

    • Keith Miles says:

      08:37am | 21/07/10

      Abbott exposed Rudd as an incompetent, self obsessed, phony to the Australian people and his polling went down the tube as a consequence, and in panic they (including the Unions) sacked him. Tell the truth.

    • Diamantina Dick says:

      09:16am | 21/07/10

      Howards demise was clearly down to the affect the unions had on the Liberal party voters with their magnificently financed (Workchoices) advertising camaign in the face of an election. It’s quite an achievement to depose a popularly elected PM. It shows the political power of big unions in Australia and how weak our democracy really is!

      Howard - Nil
      Rudd - Nil
      Unions - 2

    • Samuel says:

      08:16am | 21/07/10

      Easy answer - the left are more concerned about keeping conservatives out than pursuing their convictions.  Witness the incredible (and i mean that literally) response by left wing refugee advocates to Gillard’s Timor Solution, it was magically a sensible and compassionate idea when the only difference between it and the Pacific Solution is that it’s on a different Island.
      To the left, the symbolism and the person delivering the message matter more than the message itself.  For example, the Coalition are the only party with a properly announced environmental policy (it might not be a very good one, but it exists), but they keep getting hammered for being climate sceptics (as if there are no sceptics in the Labor party).  The left have no sense of what practical governance entails and what ideological consistency is.

    • kc says:

      08:30am | 21/07/10

      Keeping conservatives out… or keeping themselves in power. Either way the current left doesn’t have anything like the best interests of the country at heart.

    • James1 says:

      10:02am | 21/07/10

      Or perhaps their definition of “best interests” simply differs from yours and mine, kc.  Don’t be a partisan fool.  It blinds you to reality.

    • NT says:

      10:50am | 21/07/10

      Of course it’s about staying in power… you’d be a fool to think otherwise.

      With power comes more money, perks, standing and authority (which can also lead to increased attractiveness for those who value that). It’s hard to give that up and go back to proper days jobs and anonymity…

      You have to remember that almost all politicians do not keep in politics after being ousted by their electorate. They are replaced by a fresh candidate next election.

      Given the state of politics at the moment (being ALP v Libs and not the merits of individual members against their opponents) keeping the Libs out means keeping their jobs… something every working family can relate to.

      Governing the country is only a priority in the first 2 years of a term - never the last regardless of which party is in government.

    • Chris L says:

      01:10pm | 21/07/10

      Such a stark contrast to the altruistic Liberal party who want nothing but what is best for us and might even be tempted to work for free and refuse to bow to their corporate masters because they are so selfless.

      If you’re going to criticise one side for something, make sure it’s not something your own side is guilty of as well. (Same goes for accusations of hypocrisy from the parties and their supporters.)

    • acotrel says:

      08:19am | 21/07/10

      The statistics prove that asylum seekers should be a non-issue, yet Abbott has had Scott Morrison full time drumming up business!  The reason being that Abbott has NO VISION for Australia’s future, and nothing CONSTRUCTIVE to offer! Negative politics and poison have always been the stock-in trade of the Liberal Party.  The most infamous person to use xenophobia as a political tool, shot himself in 1945!

    • Luke04 says:

      08:31am | 21/07/10

      Yes, and we saw what Labors Constructive Vision in the 2007 campaign turned into, broken promises, cost blow outs, backflips. policy’s put on the back burner or hidden under the carpet, mismangagement and waste of tax payers money finishing with the sacking of their Leader and the Prime Miniister of Australia. Bit hard not to be negative about Labor acotrel.

    • Nathan says:

      08:57am | 21/07/10

      Its time to move forward, Moving forward with the “Me too” politics of Labor and Gillard, in essence, Moving forward together.

      Thats the extent of Labor policy, Vote 1 Labor so we can move forward and not backwards, Upwards not forwards, backflipping and backflipping all the way to the next election. Do you understand why we are moving forward yet?

      Seriously though, With all the moving forward double speak of the Labor party, their doing a hell of alot of looking back. I think they are that dizy from their 3 years of backflipping, they are facing the wrong direction and think forwards is backwards and backwards is forwards.

    • Diamantina Dick says:

      09:27am | 21/07/10

      Grown ups can figure out thier vision for themselves, they don’t need to be spoon fed everything or be made to recite “move forward”. Abbott represents a philosophy were Government is smaller and allows people to make more personal choices and be rewarded for the correct ones. It also represents a world where you do not get something for nothing and I really do understand how that can be hard for some people to live with and how easy it is to be spoon fed and vote ALP but “life was not meant to be easy” LOL

    • Peter says:

      09:29am | 21/07/10

      What is Labors vision for policy on climate change? It can’t be too good if she’s not keen on announcing anything.

    • Macon Paine says:

      09:33am | 21/07/10

      “The statistics prove that asylum seekers should be a non-issue”
      It’s only an issue because Labor keeps backflipping. They got rid of the pacific solution, found out that it was actually working a hell of a lot better than their own solution and have been forced to re-instate the pacific solution under another name. Thats called Spin.
      “The reason being that Abbott has NO VISION for Australia’s future,”
      Maybe one you dont agree with but that doesn’t mean he doesn’t have one.
      “and nothing CONSTRUCTIVE to offer!”
      Well perhaps he’s not as progressive as you would like but in fairness to Abbott, paying back debt, getting rid of some bureaucracy, no new taxes etc is actually fairly constructive for most people, wouldn’t you agree?
      “Negative politics and poison have always been the stock-in trade of the Liberal Party.”
      It is the job of whoever is in opposition to deride and belittle (oh how the latte left loved getting stuck into Howard with this! now they are crying fowl when the shoe is on the other foot) the government of the day and their policies etc. If they aren’t doing this they aren’t doing their job. The Labor party are no different, for example remember the anti GST campaigns from 93 and 98?
      “The most infamous person to use xenophobia as a political tool, shot himself in 1945!”
      The hitler card? C’mon acrotrel your above this.

    • Reservoir Dog says:

      09:58am | 21/07/10

      @Diamantina Dick

      correct personal choices? Que? You mean there are right and wrong choices that we all should make. I thought government was for the people. I’m betting you’re one of those people that loved SerfChoices because it meant “if you want a job then you’ll accept any pay, time and conditions you’re offered or be unemployed because it’s what keeps small businesses running”. Don’t worry about the affects this has on the community and family life - just as long as people have a job and the unemployment rate seems small. Don’t worry about workforce participation or underemployment just as long as no-one receives a hand-out.

      Something for nothing? Like the baby bonus, paid maternity leave up to $150k per annum, Family Tax Benefit B etc

      The only reason Rudd didn’t scrap those things was because it was political suicide. Well, more than what he committed anyway.

      Neither side has a monopoly on dishing out hand-outs. Let’s not confuse the issue here and look at both sides.

    • Reg says:

      10:19am | 21/07/10

      Well thanks for the recipes Nathan but Howard and Co had stagnated.

      This lends a considerable impetus to the image of moving forward because the Liberal image is stuck in the past along with the term conservative. How about that for a vote for the status quo?

      Ok another ... “if it ain’t broken don’t fix it.”  No of course, just do nothing until it falls apart.  Such an attitude is “moving backwards.” Good old conservative and coalition stultification. 

      Now ... about Paul’s use of the word progressive. The coalition is anti-progressive. They do not believe in moving forward. That’s why they spend so much time at the big porcelain bowl being sick every time the thought of motion crosses their barely functional minds.

    • watty says:

      08:22am | 21/07/10

      The louder elements of the progressive establishment.Where are they now?

      Sorry about your loss of sight and hearing Mark.

    • Press says:

      08:30am | 21/07/10

      “Howard Haters”, eh. A neat little smear.

      Potted propaganda,  to fling in the face of anyone questioning the wisdom of where we were headed then.

      We needed a better, smarter, wiser, kinder, more honest Prime Minister than John Howard.

      Still do.

      We won’t find such a one hidden under Abbott’s bluster.

    • mickey says:

      12:01pm | 21/07/10

      No, you would just prefer the lying Rudd & now the even bigger lying Gillard

    • Chris L says:

      01:45pm | 21/07/10

      Mickey, did you notice Press saying “we still do” there? Don’t let that stop you from building a strawman of course.

    • Press says:

      04:16pm | 21/07/10

      As for the attempted nasty swipe, well, golly gee gosh, you’re not being *entirely* honest there either,  are you Mickey. 

      You know perfectly well that Abbott, Turnbull and Howard fibbed and still fib most industriously whenever it suits them. 

      As it happens,  I do indeed prefer Gillard over Abbott - or Turnbull for that matter.

      And I most certainly prefer her over Howard.

      We’d probably all prefer it if they never ever fibbed, but we know most of them do, at one point or another. And Mickey does, too! Don’t we all?

      I’d just urge Miss Gillard to do her very utmost to play a straight hand, pretty much as she is.  I don’t expect her to be perfect but I think she’ll do her very best for the whole country, not just her Party.

    • Christian Real says:

      07:14pm | 21/07/10

      Mickey
      That is a bit rich calling Rudd and Gillard liars.
      People who live in glass houses(like you Liberal mob) should not throw stones
      Wasn’t that long ago that Tony Abbott said on the 7.30 report, when being interviewed by Kerry O’Brien, “Don’t believe everything I say”  and he also said this:
      “Sometimes,in the heat of the discussion,you go a little bit further than you would if it was an absolutely calm,considered,prepared,scripted remark,“he told ABC’s 7.30 Report on Monday.
      “Which is one of the reasons why the statements that need to be taken absolutely as gospel truth is those carefully prepared,scripted remarks.”
      * Another News item that confirms Tony Abbott is loose with the truth is a story,“Abbott defends himself by confusing the issue”  which is sourced from Sydney Morning Herald, written by Deborah Snow, August 28,2003:
      “The Workplace Relations Minister,Tony Abbott,is relying on the sheer complexity of his part in the One Nation saga to tough out scrutiny of his truthfulness.”
      “His latest defence against claims of dishonesty,released on Tuesday night,muddies two seperate issues.”
      “The first is a pledge he made to a disillusioned former One Nation candidate Terry sharples,in July 1998 to defray legal costs in a case Sharples was bringing against One Nation.”
      “The second is a trust that Abbott had set up the next month to pursue One Nation through other legal channels.”
      “At issue is whether Abbott lied to the ABC’s Four Corners program in August 1998 when he denied offering funds from “any source’ to Sharples and whether his statement to the Herald in March 2000 that “misleading the ABC is not quite the same as misleading the parliament as a political crime” was an acknowledgement that he lied.”
      http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/08/27/1061663854618.html

    • Super D says:

      08:38am | 21/07/10

      Anyone would think that there were less children in immigration detention today than there were in 2007.  It seems that the “progressives” are more interested in using “issues” against the other side than in seeing them resolved.

      Witness the greens giving labor preferences before they even released a climate policy.

    • Julie Coker-Godson says:

      06:57pm | 21/07/10

      The greens are only interested in “issues” being resolved if such “issues” are resolved in THEIR favour.  As for giving Labor preference before they even released a climate policy - this is just another reason why I would never vote for the greens anymore than I would vote Labor.  The idea of these two parties having control of the government of Australia fills me with dread.

    • Reg says:

      09:55am | 22/07/10

      Oh Julie Julie julie ... you make all these unqualified assumptions and statements. I suppose it must be an attempt to construct a case that is not there, just to suit your bias. 

      All government is compromise because the current division of the population is ~50/50. Would you have it any other way? Would you prefer to have a government to which 90% of the population was vehemently opposed?

      Moderation is the name of the game even in politics and yes, consultation can be wearisome and even dangerous. The coalition which you clearly support, is a perfect example of this. It is a mix of those “rooted in the soil” and others of mostly legal and industrial motivation. Now if you want to see a dangerous mix, just look at that one.

      Besides, to my additive colour persuasion, RED and GREEN make GOLD or YELLOW, our National colour, that should make you feel more confident.

    • Jack says:

      08:38am | 21/07/10

      I’m not sure you noticed, but Rudd’s popularity collapsed and he is no longer Prime Minister. Why is that you think? Regardless, anyone that promotes left and right politics isn’t being honest in their analysis, if you talk to any individual they’ll have a range of political attitudes across the spectrum.

    • Thinking Swinging Voter says:

      08:42am | 21/07/10

      The Lefties have learnt to discriminate and think for themnselves instead of following the leader.  All voters should learn to swing with the times.

    • Reg says:

      12:17am | 22/07/10

      They had learned to discriminate well before they moved left leaving the undiscriminating bobbing aimlessly in their wake. Germany paid a big price for its lack of discrimination in selecting its leader in 1933. It is to be hoped that Australians will never be so casual as to allow anything similar to happen here. If John Howard is the worst we have to endure, I’ll settle for the bastard.

    • Rosie says:

      09:08am | 21/07/10

      Oh yes Kevin Rudd of the Kevin 07 Elections! There was no doubt in my mind that John Howard was on the way out even if the Liberal Party had ousted Howard for Costello. Australians after a while will find any excuse to kick out a party that has been in Govt, in this case 12 years in hope for better for better governance.

      Iraq - After 9/11 I was sure glad Australia was on the US side and felt Howard had to get involved.

      Reconcilliation - yes it should have been a start for the Govt to take it further for the indigenous people. Today nothing has changed, the indigenous people are still facing the same problems.

      Asylum seekers & E.T.S. Lost its way!

      Now that Kevin 07 is back in town he may start campaigning for the wants and needs for the people of his electorate.

      PS - Last night on Lateline I was curious to hear Michael Kroger ask Leigh to ask Paul Howes Australian Workers Union national secretary what was said to Kevin Rudd in New York?? Like Gillard, Howes made up excuses not to answer the question. Why the secrecy everytime the Union Powers are involved with the Labour Party???????? Did anyone else watch Lateline last night? Was Paul Howes sent to entice Rudd to come back and start his campaign?

    • Mayday says:

      04:08pm | 21/07/10

      Rosie, I doubt if a word was said between the two.
      Regarding Lateline did you notice Paul Howes’ Freudian slip when answering a question about the governments record -
      “what WE are talking about” then a pause
      “what the Government is talking about….“and off he went speaking as if he were an elected member?!

    • Jackie says:

      10:52am | 21/07/10

      the horror of the 2 headed labor/greens baby!!! Will see an end to mining in this country. Then how will we suvrive, ecotourisim? Before Bob signed his pact with the red devil I was considering going green that was before I heard his rant on local radio yesterday about closing uranium mines. 
      For my poor state of SA that would mean certain death!! We might all have to jump on the boats & go to Iraq, more future there!

    • Julie Coker-Godson says:

      07:00pm | 21/07/10

      Good on you for bringing that up Xonny.  I saw that this morning and shared it on my Facebook, shuddering all the while at the prospect.

    • Carnegie says:

      09:40am | 21/07/10

      Good article Leo!

      In 2007 we had Howard light…

      In 2010 we have Pauline Hanson light (you play clips of Pauline’s population comments against Julia’s!) and still not a serious question answered on the population policy to address the issue Julia is raising in true Pauline Hanson style!

    • shep says:

      09:44am | 21/07/10

      Anyone who still thinks that politics and politians are the answer to social problems like climate change and mass transit of refugees throughout the world or whether or not a country should be involved in peace-keeping in another part of the world has simply not grasped the fact that this role is no longer a community service. 

      Politics is now fundamentally a career path and you are better paid and higher in the pecking order when you are in government than you are in opposition.  These poeple are all about keeping their jobs, not about social change but about social status-quo.  To keep their jobs they have to keep the masses happy.  That’s why they’re meeting in the middle - policy-wise.

      More and more our federal and state governments are simply about managing services like health and education much like local councils.  They no longer have any sway over the national psyche nor do they represent our identity.

      Blame the modern world, the internet, whatever - its just the way it is.

    • AdamC says:

      09:48am | 21/07/10

      I think this article is based on a false premise - lefties are still everywhere. Maybe the issue is that nobody reads broadsheet newspapers any more.

      I do agree some of the totemic leftist issues have become toxic, like climate change, but the left-wing project is still afoot. And, in the media, you would be mistaken for believing there is material opposition to a ‘tough’ policy on boat arrivals, which there isn’t. So the lefties still punch very much above their numerical weight in getting their position heard.

    • Reg says:

      10:04am | 21/07/10

      Paul, the “Howard haters,” as you call them, were motivated by the actions of the recipient of the indignity. There are plenty of instances of that down through history. Pablo Casals refused to return to his native Spain while Franco was still in power. Perhaps you’d like all JH haters to emigrate? Not gonna happen. We’re smarter than that.

      The progressives are still here trying to resist the cheap shot from the RIGHT that LEFTIES are idiots. A typical right wing provocation. One that we really moderate left wingers choose to treat with disdain as nothing but red-faced mouth-foaming rants from those who unjustifiably regard themselves as superior.  snifff!!!!!! wink

      I peace in your general direction.

    • Julie Coker-Godson says:

      07:06pm | 21/07/10

      @Reg:  I note your qualification:  “One that we really moderate left wingers…”.  Most of us are discussing the extreme left wingers and they have been very quiet indeed of late.

    • Reg says:

      12:49am | 22/07/10

      Most of us nothing Julie, I presume you are a Liberal with the usual expectation that you and your opinion are the gauge by which everything should be evaluated. Is there no end to your flagrant self-obsession?

      Sorry, but there are degrees of left of which you know nothing and since your Liberal views are likely to be clouded by your presumed superiority, you can go and get figuratively ******. smile 

      Actually all the noise seems to be coming from the frustrated Liberals with their frantic clawing at empty air.

      As i mentioned in the epistle from Reggie to Comrade Gregg, all parties revamp their image in the light of changing conditions, even the Liberals ( not so much the Nationals) but it just seems that there are more Liberals than Labor who find it impossible to “move forward.” wink

      Please don’t try and set limits that suit your values because as you may have heard, one should not accept value judgments from those with low values.

    • Vincent Le Plastrier says:

      10:07am | 21/07/10

      Paul, your question is a double edged sword and also applies to the right.  The coalition has wasted three years in failing to reinvigorate the policies needed to win this winnable election.They are flailing around trying to find their way in the dark of the opposition benches, three leaders and a coup from the old far right Minchin faction has meant a wasted three years. For swinging voters it matters not where the left are or where they might emerge in the future we are only interested in real issues not ones created by ideologues from the right or left.  Look at the economic mess the coalition have made on linking immigration & boat people, business has suddenly woke up and are publicy crawling all over the coalition for common sense to prevail, while Labor has grabbed hold of the slow the immigration down population argument with a dog whistle.  Abbott & Morrison shouting from the rooftops about the Tsunami of boat people and they will turn the boats back is an insult to a swinging voter who thinks through the alternative claims to a logical conclusion based on facts where possible; neither party can simply turn the boats back, it requires other solutions.  Australia has one of the lowest debt to GDP ratios in the world and the coalition is screaming debt, debt, from the rooftops, what is the Reserve Bank Governor saying, daah !  Hindsight of failing to renew the body polity is staring them in the face. In Queensland they could not find a safe seat for new-breed politicians like Mal Brough and the lively Peter Dutton and they have failed to bring in new blood by replacing Bronwyn Bishop, Andrews, Slipper, Tuckey, Ruddock and other out-of-date seat warmers. Labors claims of back to the past has resonance, the coalition body is old and has no soul for the new battles to fight, it needs renewing, they have wasted three years.  The election will as always be close, Labor will be returned for another three years, and the coalition will have to start doing what should have happened after the last defeat….renew the political body with new blood and ideas….. Whither the loud righties ??

    • Chris L says:

      01:53pm | 21/07/10

      Hear hear Vincent! The only way the people will vote against the imcumbent is if there is someone to vote for. At the moment neither major is worth the time it takes to tick the box, which means incumbent for another term (unless, by a miracle, some minor party emerges victorious).

    • Julie Coker-Godson says:

      07:19pm | 21/07/10

      Hmmm, Vincent, I think you have made very valid points here.  I’m not so much worried about who I"LL vote for but how OTHERS will vote.  I would love to see the Coalition returned but with a more compassionate side on social justice issues.  I’ll “die a thousand deaths” if we end up with Labor/Greens (see posts above).

    • Daniel says:

      10:24am | 21/07/10

      The reason we don’t see more people on the streets is due to the economic rationalists. The huge threats to job security don’t permit the ordinary people to get more involved in issues that affect them. Then we hear the rulers saying “Look there was a handful of people at that protest its no longer an issue”. Its undemocratic to stop people getting involved in voicing opposition to issues that affect them. Its wrong.

    • IP says:

      10:57am | 21/07/10

      Who wants to employ someone who is a protestor?

      It’s find to stand up for what you believe in, but do it on your own time, not at the expense of the person who pays you weekly and allows you to put food on the table.

      People who take time off work to go protest something are considered to be disrespectful to their employers, so they should be prepared if there is some backlash in relation to their employment as a result.

      Why aren’t there more protests on the weekend? Protests can be organised to be on any day (though appreciate can be done to coincide with some event)

      Because a lot of people aren’t that involved to give up a Saturday or Sunday to go to one. But if it means getting out of school, uni or work…

    • Zeta says:

      10:34am | 21/07/10

      There is no left wing in Australia.

      The Labor Party is a subsidary of the Right leaning Union movements, with the exception of a few hold-out Trogs in Victoria and New South Wales, what ever passed for socialism in the ALP has been subsumed, recycled, spat out, and exists only as history to be lionised and mentioned in passing at National Conferrences by the white toothed slick haired yes men that have no ideology apart from the acquisition of workplace and legislative power.

      The Liberal Party’s moderate faction cling to a couple of progressive single issues like same sex unions and asylum seekers because they’ve walked the plank of the neo-conservative ship. They bob around in a listless,  ocean of post-Howard conservatism without an agenda, without leadership, and even in the leafy, afluent suburbs that breed them - without support.

      The Greens cannot call themselves ideologically Left wing with a straight face. While the envirocracy they envisage requires too much Government intervention for them to fall on the other side of the fence - genuine Leftist politics is so much more about the interactions of people and communities that to place the needs of the ‘environment’ above it is a bridge too far. They might have inherited the membership of Resistance, the Socialist Left, and other fringe groups - but at their core they are administered by aging, coastal environmental activists who’ve spent their careers putting trees, shrubs, marsupials and shell fish before the needs of communities. The Greens strict adherrence to Bob Brown’s 40 year old dogma cannot be called Left wing under any interpretation.

      Even amidst the likes of GetUp, the University Unions - Leftism is hard to find. There are groups committed to progressing single issues - but again, none of them are inherrently Left wing.

      The Right still thinks of the Left as being the significant, ever present enemy, and this highlights how out of touch they’ve become. The Left is gone. To find it, you need to get out of the supposed Left wing strongholds of inner city and Green leaning coastal regions and into predominantly ethnic outer suburbs. There, on a week day, you’ll find old, retired first generation European migrants, who still remember the genuine ideological struggles of the 50s in their home countries.

      Greeks, Italians, and Eastern Europeans who fled the brush fire purges in the wake of World War 2, who’s opposition to Fascism saw them turned in the eyes of their countrymen, in just a few short years, from heroes to Communist pariahs.

      If you tell them, that in 60 years, their struggle for worker’s rights, for equality and for freedom from what they saw as the yoke of oppression would be turned into simplistic arguements about climate change, asylum seekers and work place laws in a system that already provides fairness they’d laugh.

      The struggle between the Left and Right was a battle for the consciousness of humanity, a war that raged between philosophers, politicians, and in some cases between armies for 100 years. But it ended, at somepoint, in the late 1980s or early 1990s. The Right won the war by building a Trojan horse out of the most palatable positions and have dwelled the our Governments ever since.

      The problem with this scenario, is that good Governments are held up by the Right and the Left leaning against each other. If two Right leaning objects collide, the whole thing falls over.

    • Vincent Le Plastrier says:

      11:15am | 21/07/10

      Zeta, nicely put piece of common sense. The last para to me means the Centre where both Abbott and Gillard are scrambling to grab at the moment.

    • Jon says:

      11:49am | 21/07/10

      What’s left of the left should die of shame. The values based on Western Secular philosophy have been usurped by the fluffy fashion of Cultural Relativism that preaches tolerance at the expense of justice, truth and freedom.

    • Richard says:

      01:12pm | 21/07/10

      I usually cringe at the drivel that comprises one of your articles Zeta, and at the long list of sycophants falling over themselves to congratulate you at the end of each and every one…. But in this case I have to say I found it thought-provoking and relevant.

      Churchill once said that democracy was the worst form of government… except for all the others that have been tried (and yes this includes socialism and communism). But it just makes me wonder… maybe its time we did try something else again. Just because we haven’t found the best way of organising our society and leadership yet doesn’t mean we should stop trying. When I was a student radical I used to love reading books like Thomas Moore’s ‘Utopia’ and Plato’s ‘Republic’. Perhaps my favourite was the ‘Tao Te Ching’ by Lao Tzu: all of these books could be a starting point for us to begin thinking about and developing a new system of governance which takes power out of the hands of boorish bogans and puts it into the hands of educated, enlightened, intelligent and compassionate statesmen and women.

    • Russell says:

      01:28pm | 21/07/10

      Nicely put Zeta. I don’t always read long posts (gulp) but your’s grabbed me. When I’ve argued that the Greens are not “left” at all (quite the opposite, especially with their inner city Nimby obsessions) I’ve been slammed from both right and left, as if I was saying something totally mad.

      But it is weird how a sense of entitlement amongst some of the wealthiest property owners in Sydney (Balmain, Glebe, Newtown) is constantly portrayed as the struggle of the “little guy” against “the Man”

    • Zeta says:

      02:17pm | 21/07/10

      @ Richard - Even in those examples, you see the duality that creates a Left / Right divide - Plato’s Republic emphasis’s the city-state as the ‘soul’, and the soul is inherrently dualistic in nature - therefore, a true Republic’s body politic would divide. Moore’s Utopia faces this same problem, as well as the practical problems of warfare: Moore was at least not so naive as to assume there would be no war, but the reliance of a Utopia on neighbouring mercenaries raises the question of what to do in the wake of one. Do you kick your mercenaries out of the Utopia? Or grant them citizenship in the spirit of Utopian egalitarianism in the knowledge that their aggression will be a counterpoint to the existing authoritive structures? And even in the work of Lao Tzu, we see this spectre of political opposites - ‘the harder one tries, the more resistance you create’.

      We don’t need new political systems, we need leaders to accept that be it Left / Right, Progressive / Conservative - the inherrent duality of politics and Government is perfectly natural and in fact favourable to different flavours of the same ideology.

      Also, ‘thought provoking’ and ‘relevant’ makes me sound like a Gus Van Sant film. I’ll only accept praise in the form of pithy internet memes like ‘cool story bro’ or ‘+1 internets to u’.

    • Julie Coker-Godson says:

      07:32pm | 21/07/10

      Cool story bro!

    • jb says:

      10:36am | 21/07/10

      More to the point a Vote for Gillard is a vote for the Unions and all the thuggery that goes with it.
      Her father was a Welsh Union man she is a Unionist, and the Unions closed the door while she snuck in and back stabbed the true PM of this country.
      Is this really the example we want to set for our children?
      Vote them back in and watch the country held to Ransom by the Unions.
      They got rid of Rudd because he wouldn’t pay them back…

    • Reg says:

      12:04pm | 21/07/10

      You’re a bit frantic there JB. Can you just tell me what this is about ...?

      Quote; “Her father was a Welsh Union man she is a Unionist, and the Unions closed the door while she snuck <sic> in and back stabbed the true PM of this country.” 

      The bit about closing the door. Yes I’m old too and I also find that my medication gives me dreadful nightmares. Thuggery? I think you might be having images of kids being forced down the coal mines of Wales.

      No, I don’t think she’s suffered that jb, lots of past industrial action put a stop to those mongrels.

    • mickey says:

      10:37am | 21/07/10

      Trick question on whereabouts of Lefties rebadged as “progressives” Paul ?

      Try their HQ at the Canberra Press Gallery..

    • Moggy says:

      11:27am | 21/07/10

      Paul, all of us hoi polloi out here in voter land KNOW that once returned to power Gillard will maybe tweak the problem of illegals arriving by boat, but there ain’t no way she’ll stop it.  The backroom union thugs are the dictators of all Labor policy…....Gillard is just the mouthpiece…..& she knows all to well what happens to uppity Labor pollies who “do their own thing!” She’s just deposed one of them!!

    • Reg says:

      12:15pm | 21/07/10

      Oh dear, tired of calling them thugs they are now labeled as dictators.

      Please attempt to be consistant Moggy. If you “KNOW that once returned to power Gillard will maybe” why are you then unsure?

      If Gillard is just a mouthpiece then what I saw from her overnight bolstered my confidence in her ability to maintain a fantastic front to the conservative rantings such as you reveal here. Take fright Moggy, because there’s worse in the wings for you.

    • Diamantina Dick says:

      11:42am | 21/07/10

      @Reservior Dog

      Thanks for your comments but I don’t think I’ve been inconsistent, even if you may not agree with me.

      “Something for nothing? Like the baby bonus, paid maternity leave up to $150k per annum, Family Tax Benefit B etc”

      Actually you need to do something for this; HAVE A FAMILY,  to receive these things. I would regard that as a CORRECT decision to be encouraged for the maintenance of our economic health into the future,  the welfare of our social fabric and ultimately the future of the human race. You may not agree that having a family is a correct decision as I do but that is a different issue.

      You too seem to be concerned with our social fabric and seem concerned WorkChoices as an attack on it. This you project support for on to me!!!  At least I’m not alone, you projected getting rid of family benefits (if he could) onto Kevin Rudd, not sure he’d be happy with that, but then again, “all this reckless spending has to stop”.

    • cityboy says:

      11:55am | 21/07/10

      I’ve deceided that I think voting should be voluntary. I have read some truly moronic reasons why people will vote this way or that, and conclude they know nothing about what’s going on, anywhere!  Sure, they should be on the electoral roll, for many reasons (Jury duty, as one bimbo was appalled to find out!), but no obligation to vote. Sound more democratic to me!

    • Nicole says:

      12:14pm | 21/07/10

      I have to agree with you there cityboy. I’m astounded at the amount of women who intend to vote for Labor, purely because Jooolya is a female. Don’t worry about policies, performance or the really sort of important things, vote for her because she’s a woman. I also shake my head at the ‘I’m a Labor/Liberal voter because my parents have always voted for them’. It’s scary.

    • Rosie says:

      01:38pm | 21/07/10

      Nicole I am not at all astounded to hear that the preferred PM goes to Gillard because she is a woman. One explanation that comes to mind is that these women feel that sometime in their lives they have been hard done by our men folk. Honestly I can’t see any other reason!

      I am a Liberal voter and never once voted for another party. I believe in working hard and taking responsibilty for my own well being. The Liberal Party do not deny me this. I don’t expect any handouts, do not rely on work choices because if I am not happy in my job I do something about it and if I lived in an overcrowded area I sell up and move elsewhere. Although I like the simple excuse of a young female Uni student on SBS Insight last night that she will vote Liberal because she likes to see money in the nation’s coffers.

    • James says:

      12:56pm | 21/07/10

      What’s the point this silly little country will get everything it deserves i.e. nothing.  People want status quo:  BBQs and Shopping and Mining and Slogans and not actually having vision (because it is scary) and that is exactly what we will get.

    • jamie says:

      12:58pm | 21/07/10

      If one is to look at the issue logically it would appear that the far left are more concerned about keeping conservatives out of government rather than sticking to their principles and convictions.  This was evident in the recent east timor solution where Gillard was praised for what was really no different to Howard’s solution. And yet the left still managed to pillorise Howard.

      Even if, and it won’t happen, Abbott suddenly came up with an incredibly humane system whereby all boat people were granted immediate citizenship and given training and jobs etc, the left would still find something to complain about.

      Kind of reminds me of my ex father-in-law. So dyed in the wool ALP that he would have voted ALP even if they introduced an old fogey tax whereby all old people had to give their houses up. If the Libs had offered him a pension of $100K per annum for the rest of his life he still wouldn’t have voted Lib. Funny old bloke smile

    • Chris L says:

      02:06pm | 21/07/10

      I’m seeing a lot of aimless hatred for the left here and in other articles on this site. Could it be that your criticisms of the left would also apply to the right?

    • jamie says:

      02:40pm | 21/07/10

      This was evident in the recent east timor solution where Gillard was praised for what was really no different to Howard’s solution. And yet the left still managed to pillorise Howard.

      I’m seeing that you haven’t even attempted to address what I put forward. Not even the slightest.

    • MarK says:

      03:00pm | 21/07/10

      It is all about “Whatever It Takes”.

    • Chris L says:

      06:13pm | 21/07/10

      “it would appear that the far left are more concerned about keeping conservatives out of government rather than sticking to their principles and convictions.”
      This is what I was addressing Jamie, and I wasn’t even disagreeing with you. Just saying that a similar accusation could be made of the conservatives.

    • Julie Coker-Godson says:

      07:40pm | 21/07/10

      @MarkK:  Wasn’t it a certain Mr Graham Richardson who said:  “Whatever it takes”?

    • MarK says:

      01:15pm | 21/07/10

      I hope we get a good union punch up or a right wing flyer scandal.

      Something - anything - to liven this drudgery up.

      The coalition was under prepared for the whole thing which is unforgivable and only now are starting to sound like a party on the hustings.

      Labor have decided that a few pictures of Gillard and not saying anything but me too will do the trick.

      The shame of it all, apart from the despair you feel that this is is as good as it gets, is that Labor will win now and we will have 2 and a half years of Gillard’s ineptitude before she is replaced by Combet or Shorten. Her poor managerial form is on the board and her “competence” was merely a tag granted given and not earned.

      With the Greens certain to hold the balance of power in the senate after another deal with Labor sensible policy will be hard to find and pass.

      What a farce. Moving forward from ineptitude with one of the architects of the ineptitude. The msm are on the Jools bandwagon again…it is so predictable.

      When is someone actually going to ask her what her population is for a “sustainable Australia” and what she will do to stop it. Ask her what Plan B is when China tanks, or at least demand from there slows, and mineral prices come off. Ask her where the refugee processing centre will be built or call the policy a lie.

      She is being hailed for these “policies”. It is truly staggering how easily she gets away with it.

      Someone wake me up when it is all over. Oh and smack some sense into the Libs. Not being ready to go was an infantile mistake.

    • John A Neve says:

      03:49pm | 21/07/10

      MarK,
      This is the result of Pendulum Politics, you have two choices, Tweedle Dee or Tweedle Dum. Most people like it like that, you don’t have to think. If Tweedle Dee is in power, all the problems are their fault.

      But if Tweedle Dum are in power, well we’ll just blame them and we can always put Tweedle Dee back in, that will fix every thing won’t it?

    • Reg says:

      04:17pm | 21/07/10

      Mark there’s a lot of assumption and negativity in what you write so I choose only to address the “sustainable Australia.”

      I ask you to start from the imaginary condition where all the rest of the world is packed to the gills with sweating bodies, and Australia is the only continent comfortably dispersed.  We are part of South East Asia as a matter of history and British expediency. We may cooperate or resist.

      Unless you wish to re-institute a “white Australia” or some other discriminatory policy, I suggest a reasonable path is to accept those who are driven to the great length they are, to come to this country. The $10 pom has his run, now it’s time to meld ourselves into being South East Asians. There is no other reasonable alternative.

      So to me, a “sustainable Australia ” is not one that makes enemies in the region to which we have been consigned, but one that ensures that our futures is not jeopardized by crazy notions of regional apartheid.

      Australia has long historical ties with Java and we would do well to strengthen them by what-ever means available. With Java and Indonesia being probably the most volcanic region in the world and Indonesia one of the most densely populated, the day will come when we will be required to offer shelter to people from that region.

      Where will your ideal plans for a “sustainable Australia” be then?

    • MarK says:

      08:55am | 22/07/10

      Ahhh Reg.

      You seem to think I have an idea of what sustainable is. I am merely pointiung out that the msm so far have been complicit in letting Gilllard get away with a non-policy.

      You read far too much into what “I think” about it. I never suggested it was anything but a Gillard wet dream to divert attention form boat people and immigration. Sustainable population is a way to deal with a niggly election issue that has ties to boat people and we know Gillard has no real policy with respect to that issue after her East Timor lie was exposed.

      It is merely whatever it takes to get power at any cost and toss a few more clichés in there as well.

      The point is the whole election campaign was stuffed by the Liberals from the start (they may get back on track but I doubt it) and Gillard is Rudd MkII, the moel with more spin and less brains (imagine the odds a bookie would have given you to find that special snowflake).

      So Reg bottom line gratz on being sucked into a non argument over which Gillard shows “concerns” and wants to have a “conversation” with people because she “feels the pain” and the only way “to move forward” is to acknowledge that she “hears” us and do nothing until after the election where is will be sent off for “review by committee” to better plan an “outcome” that “moves us forward”.

    • Reg says:

      10:48am | 22/07/10

      Thank you Mark, I appreciate your elaboration and agree that there is a question in the public domain that calls for an answer. My input was an attempt to broaden the detail of the problem and extend it to cover the real meaning of what is meant by a “sustainable Australia.”

      We’ve no need here to even consider aspects of land degradation or possible improvement.

      I believe it is short-sighted to regard that period of sustainability as one of three years, as all parties are led to do. I have tried to show that all parties responding to the question will take the abbreviated route because the only requisite solution is some degree of open borders and regulation of entry. For some this is not going to be palatable but any attempt to solve the problem in the few weeks of a run up to an election is doomed to failure.

    • mArK says:

      01:39pm | 21/07/10

      Lol if you think the Liberal Party would be any better.

    • MarK says:

      02:28pm | 21/07/10

      Yes I do.

      Fantastic comment. Really cut through to the issues at hand.

      I particularly like how it really emphasises the thought you put into your response and, I will presume, the thought you put into the political process and current events.

      Kudos. Have a lollipop.

    • Towny says:

      02:36pm | 21/07/10

      I live at Bushland Beach,  a surburb north of Townsville. It should be now named Bushless Beach. So much of the bush has been chopped down for houses. Please we don’t want any money from Labour to build more houses as we have too many houses for sale. The Real Estate Market is pretty slow and people and developers are finding it very difficult to sell their homes. If the Greens are reading this please we need HELP! We want to stop development so we can retain our bush, our native animals and birds!

    • Peter says:

      03:04pm | 21/07/10

      Townsville is a fast growing city, people need to live somewhere. Maybe on top of Castle Hill, so they don’t have to chop down the “arid dry” bushland around your area.

    • Zeta says:

      03:19pm | 21/07/10

      @ Peter - That’s not true. People do not need to live in Townsville. It’s probably the worst place on Earth with the stupidest name. Try going to France and telling them you’re from Townsville and watch them try to make sense of the stupid Australian who reckons they live in ‘Towns Town.’

      The beaches are rubbish - you can’t even swim in them because they’re basically full of poison. The ‘city’, if you can call it that, consists of an aquarium, a strip of concrete dubiously called a ‘mall’ because it doesn’t actually have any shops in it, a giant marraca that the residents are so stupid they call a ‘salt shaker’, and a bunch of pubs where you’ll either: get punched by an army jock, get punched by an army jock’s girlfriend, get punched because someone who’s not in the army but wants to be think’s you’re gay for wearing shoes, or get AIDS. Off any one. Because it’s like Africa only the sound of North Queenslanders talking is in fact more annoying than every Vuvuzela on the planet shoved up Julia Gillard’s left nostril while she drones out the other.

      As for Castle Hill, the locals are so stupid they run up and down it as the only source of recreation the ill conceived prison mine / army barracks actually offers. And then they wonder why their children keep coming out funny, maybe it’s because their brains melted from the all the exertion.

      And if you think this post has nothing to do with Paul’s original article, well you’re wrong because you’ll note I said the word ‘Left’ with reference to Julia Gillard’s nostril.

    • Towny says:

      04:28pm | 21/07/10

      Thanks Zeta, all the more reason Tony Burke & Gillard do not give people handouts to make that move up north to Townsville. Also don’t forget to remind the Greens that if the Asylum seekers were sent here the conditions wouldn’t be to their liking!

      Peter I would love to live in Castle Hill for the beautiful view but sorry can’t afford it and don’t think even Abbott can afford a house there with his $700K mortgage!

    • Graham S says:

      04:48pm | 21/07/10

      C’mon Zeta, tell us what you really think of Townsville. Any place where kerosene is sold as rum & has a football team called “The Cowboys” surely must be the epitome of sophistication. As for saving Towny’s native animals & birds, the animals drink with their birds in the front bar and they certainly don’t need saving. Drowning maybe.

    • Towny says:

      05:50pm | 21/07/10

      Graham were you a victim of one of Zeta’s so called army Jocks? If so I hope you have learnt your lesson and make sure you by pass Townsville next time you make it up this way. We take a lot of pride in the Nation’s major army base here and the preservation of our native animals and birds and do not want the likes of you destroying anything by drowning them. In case you didn’t know the dense native bushland is very much needed to reduce carbon emissions.

    • Andy says:

      09:21pm | 21/07/10

      Zita - couldn’t agree more with your description of Brownsville as we used to call it. I was born and raised there unfortunately and that place is a hot dry ugly place full of rednecks, and Cairns is’nt much better, maybe a bit greener with more backpackers. I accept the fact that my comment also does not relate to anything in the above article.

    • Anthony of WA says:

      10:27pm | 21/07/10

      I doubt you have to worry about Gillard getting too many houses built in Townsville, I remeber them carrying on about building homes in remote commutities, 3 years on, how many have been built? Just a lot of hot air, all talk and slogans, no action besides wasting our money

    • Christian Real says:

      05:57am | 22/07/10

      Towny,
      You mean the $710,000 mortgage that Tony Abbott failed to declare to Parliament for almost two years,when the rules of Parliament clearly state that :  “Parliament requires all MPS to register any changes to interests,benefits or liabilities within 28 days.”

    • preciouspress says:

      03:48pm | 21/07/10

      Better a right then left march to power, than being left then left again in the oblivion of opposition.

    • jb says:

      04:42pm | 21/07/10

      Mmm interesting development, the Greens now say they will make Gillard raise the tax on the miners, whats the bet that was part of the preferences plan in the beginning, that way she can double cross the miners (I mean thats what she does right)?, get her extra cash and then blame the greens, who will also later demand more tax from other parts of town and a price on carbon which won’t go to the environment at all it will just be squandered like Labor have squandered everything.
      Just a brand new tax for you and me.
      Saving the environment is about education, we aren’t dumb look at how well we have learned to cut down on our water usage!
      We can cut our footprint too…

    • Eye4anEye says:

      04:52pm | 21/07/10

      the loud lefties are to busy appearing in speedo’s harassing Tony Abbott - nice use of taxpaxers money there having someone on the Labor payroll pulling that crap.

      P.S. What happened to Pers haven’t seen him/her since Rudd got the chop - hope he/she didn’t drink the coolaid the church of Rudd sent around after that episode.

    • DC says:

      05:41pm | 21/07/10

      Eh?  Did you ever think that people just don’t like Tony Abbott - or, as I do, absolutely despise the ignorant, lying hypocrite?

      Perhaps that’s why people love to mock him.

      Hell, even some in his own party don’t even like Abbott - I received some Liberal propaganda in the mail today - not one mention of Tony Abbott.

      Not one.

      Even the Liberals don’t want to be associated with him.

    • Macon Paine says:

      09:22pm | 21/07/10

      @ Eye4anEye
      I think poor old Pers is off sobbing in the corner for her beloved Kevin. She’ll never be the same again after Julia stabbed him in the back.
      Come back Pers we do miss reading your long winded, occasionally factual, mostly entertaining and always blatantly biased diatribes!

      @ DC
      Ah great example of latte lefty tolerance DC keep it up.
      Anyway the point Eye4AnEye was making is that our tax dollars are being used by the Labor party to send some goose in red speedos down to harass the opposition leader. Do you seriously think this is an appropriate use of our tax dollars? Judging by your desperate attempts to change the subject your probably fine with it, so long as it’s Labor.

    • Anthony of WA says:

      10:20pm | 21/07/10

      Lot of good the new IR laws did for Persphone, must have got the sack, or drowned in all the BS

    • Robert S mcCormick says:

      05:09pm | 21/07/10

      Be very, very careful who you vote for! It seems that with the ALP the entire Parliamentary Party is controlled by the unelected, almost nameless, faceless ultra-left wing union bosses. The dictator is waiting in the wings! He’s the one who appointed Gillard PM.
      Now we have the Ultra-ultra-Left Greens Party who have decided they are going to close down everything simply because it doesnt fit in with their loony ideas. They want the extra taxes charged to the miners. At the same time they announce they are going to close down the big mines and throw hundreds of thousands of decent, hardworking people out of work.
      The ALP may be a danger to Australia.
      It is Bob Brown’s Green Party which is hell-bent on destroying the country altogether. The best possible thing we could do on August 21st is to deny the Greens any 1st, 2nd,3rd,4th preferences. If that means the Greens lose the Senate seats the currently hold & are standing again for so be it. Without these fools we can put in truly Independent Senators who are really interested in Australia rather than some hidebound, inflexible, dogmatic bunch of no-hopers as the Greens are proving themsleves to be.

    • AKoiLus says:

      05:57pm | 21/07/10

      Where have they gone?... they’re still picking themselves up off the floor after realising that it doesn’t matter who we vote for. As there is always someone higher up, and along the chain that has the real power. They have more say than the entire Australian population. Democracy is Dead.
      How can one ever lead in this country if the system guarantees your legs will be cut from under you if low and be hold you fall foul of a futuristic Gallop poll. “Insanity Rules”

    • mick says:

      06:19pm | 21/07/10

      To be sure, the religiously inclined amongst us in Australia continue to say KRudd’s lack of ability to shaft the entire country with a mad green church tax was the reason he lost popularity. And indeed, so it probably seems to them. But in the wider picture, it’s completely arse about. The rest of Australia hated him because he wanted to make free Australians energy serfs. And root the country in the process.

    • Skipper says:

      10:52pm | 21/07/10

      “And as the bodycount mounts in Afghanistan”. Sir, whilst every death is a tragedy, do you seriously (and I mean seriously) maintain that the death toll in Afghanistan is a serious concern? By way of perspective, there were 16,000 casualties on the first day of the Somme. 15,000 US Marines died at GuadalCanal in one day. 19,000 Russian troops died for each day of the war in Russia until the end of WWII. By way of comparison, 17 Australian troops have died in Afghanistan. Again, every death is a tragedy, but put this also in perspective - 16,000 or so Aussies die of smoking related causes each year. It makes you wonder if mathematics (or at least, a sense of proportion) was taught to journalists that write such twaddle….Mr Colgan, am very happy for you to show up my statistics…...

    • Reg says:

      01:20am | 22/07/10

      Sadly, I couldn’t agree more Skipper. You’re speaking of the parochialism of the present. 27,000,000 Russians died in WWII and just one was too many. 124,000 Londoners were quietly laid to rest in the first three months of the V1 attacks.

      Our road kill is a far greater tragedy for the gigantic loss of youthful lives and the associated family tragedy.

      Where is there anyone loudly protesting about this and prepared to make a sacrifice as part of the remedy?

    • DD Ball says:

      01:15am | 22/07/10

      I tire of this positioning that claims the ALP are somehow centerist. We don’t have an example of centerist ALP policy. While they were clearly failing well before Rudd became unpopular too, it was Rudd’s mistakes which embarrassed the media into challenging Rudd, and he failed. He failed so badly on the 7:30 report he was rolled within a month. The embarrassed compere tried to claim a victory over Mr Abbott in retaliation, but he hasn’t made it stick. Gillard was the brains behind the ALP failures as they lurched left after promising centerist policy in 07, without giving detail. Gillard’s abysmal watered down mining tax is still abysmal, but watered down. Her Pacific Solution is no better than when she despised it all those years ago, although it is hers, and so it isn’t working. Her health plan is no better than medicare Gold, it is a mere pork barrel, not a reform. The only policy which might be conservative is the Pacific Solution, and she refuses to implement it properly, in much the same way as a failed Victorian Premier once declared “Houses not freeways” then knocked down the houses and put a red light on the motor way so as to not call it a freeway. She is a left wing zealot and the Greens are left of her again.

    • fehowarth says:

      11:10am | 22/07/10

      If Mr. Abbott has a degree in economics, that only makes what he says about the economy more disgusting.  What he and his party are putting forward about debt and stimulus etc is completely wrong and he must know it.  I would say that this would not worry him.  Winning is the main game.  After all the voter is stupid and will not remember after the election.

    • fehowarth says:

      11:36am | 22/07/10

      I personally would rather vote for Mr. Rudd than Ms Gillard at this time. It would mean that Murdoch, big business and the miners had not won.  I believe that Ms. Gillard will make a far better PM than Mr. Abbott.

    • paris44 says:

      10:00am | 23/07/10

      It must be friday in Punchland. The ‘political’ experts are having a good rant about not much at all. Have a good rest over the weekend and lets see if some intelligent writings can reappear.

    • David V. says:

      09:02pm | 23/07/10

      Diversity has never worked anywhere, and even a former Japanese PM said Japan’s monocultural population makeup was the key to its success, because people shared the same language, culture, values and work ethic. It’s why the UK has no problems with AIDS, drugs or welfare abuse, because English people work harder than anyone else.

    • thomas vesely says:

      09:55am | 25/07/10

      the only issue right now is conroys filter.if implemented,all other issues will disappear.as in censored.for this i would march,engage in acts of civil disobediance.

 

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