Where’s my vote Iran?

Roya Gharavi says:

02:13pm | 17/06/09

It’s about bloody time for change!

iansand says:

02:23pm | 17/06/09

This report http://www.smh.com.au/world/independent-opinion-poll-backs-official-result-20090616-cgkl.html will be inconvenient for the movement.

RT says:

03:30pm | 17/06/09

I found the link supplied by iansand interesting because I was wondering: where is the evidence of poll rigging? Isn’t there also plenty of evidence of Ahmedinejad’s popularity with voters? Isn’t the move to negate Ahmedinejad’s win by a popular uprising of the Tehran elites really an attempt to repeat the election theft perpetrated by the anti-Thaksin Bangkok elites in Thailand a couple of years ago, with all the ongoing turmoil that unleashed? Ahmedinejad is anti west and we in the west may not like that, but the truth is that the Iranian voters probably do.

K says:

03:31pm | 17/06/09

Ian, this article won’t be inconvenient for the movement because it is irrelevant to the movement, the movement is not about the election anymore.

K says:

03:54pm | 17/06/09

RT, where is the evidence suggesting there is “plenty” of evidence of Ahmedinejad’s popularity with voters? The article provided by Ian certainly doesn’t provide any; where do they report the sample size, what were the demographic characteristics of respondents, and are they representative of the population of voters? From which cities/ regions in Iran were data collected? I think if we want to talk about evidence, we should at least consider these issues (as a first step). 

I immediately questioned the validity of the results of this survey when I read this:

“The only demographic groups in which the survey found Mr Mousavi leading or competitive with Mr Ahmadinejad were university students and graduates, and the highest-income Iranians”.

Rubbish. Take a look at some of the pictures- do you only see people representing these demographic groups in the street fighting for change?

iansand says:

03:58pm | 17/06/09

K - Is it about an anti-democratic grab for power by an educated elite?  Assuming that the poll referred to in the article is accurate.

I dislike repressive theocracies, but if the people have chosen one, what should be done?

Sally says:

04:54pm | 17/06/09

I too have been waiting to come across an article that some how shows proof that the election was rigged, but agree, it’s now a movement and you can’t stop progress. Out of 40 million that voted though, I understand that those who voted for Mousavi were mainly educated and obviously wanting change - regardless of election results. Those who voted for him are also more educated, and ‘from the top end of town’ so have greater access to the media and the tools that control it e.g. Twitter. So could they really be the ones who ultimately rig the vote?

Maria says:

07:06pm | 17/06/09

News sites have pointed out that workers have voted for Moussavi and news sites on the web have suggested that he received 19 million votes compared to
Ahmadinejad’s 5 million votes

See this story at the UK Telegraph

Mark M Aldridge Independent says:

07:39pm | 17/06/09

The death of Democracy?

I see signs in Iran “where is my vote” and “the death of democracy” and we as Australians comment on them as if they are suffering at the hands of a dictatorial government.

So I decided to consider our system of Democracy, I have to attend to vote, like it or not, I must have a preference for all the candidates, even those I do not know and those I oppose. The counting system is 2 party preferred which is simply using the ballot to defeat the franchise we all deserve, the scrutineering allows the scrutinizers to guess our intention, “What the”, beyond what we have written?

Some candidates do not have the equality of having their name opposite their voting square? I can’t imagine who would vote in a blank box. I could continue to bag our supposedly democratic system of voting, but the fact is I have trouble recognizing it as democracy.

What all the many voters of the world want is the true freedom of choice and the ability to cast an informed vote, but how does that ever happen in any society with out the ability to even become well informed as to whom our choices are? And can we in Australia even consider we have any freedom being forced to preference every candidate?

If I read the “how to vote guide” supplied before a state or federal election, which usually states use no ticks and crosses, or fill in all the boxes below the line for instance, and I do not follow the electoral offices advise, I am there for casting an informal vote, but that is not always true, because the scrutineers have the right to Guess what my intention would have been?

So when we read the overseas headlines after their countries elections, with statements like the aforementioned, I wonder who is worse off? Those countries that know they are missing out on fair democracy, or us here in Australia whom don’t care or are simply unaware that we in all our glory are not much better off.

The chief justice of the high court Murray Gleeson once said, ”those that write the laws have the most to gain from structural biases”. So why do we let them, we should, as a modern nation demand that such important events, like the choosing of our political representation, is overseen by a truly independent authority.

Even the fact that our JSCEM (joint standing committee on electoral matters) is run by our 2 party system, and has confirmed the peoples views mimic mine, they are still ignored, simply because those that can initiate change have a conflict of interest in doing so.

I am amused by the fact that we do not have true democracy, because if that is the case, what is it that we truly have? A quasi-elected dictatorship. LOL

Mark M Aldridge
Independent Candidate for the LC

Susie says:

07:51pm | 17/06/09

http://loft965.com/2009/06/17/picture-that-proves-iran-election-rigging/

Heléna says:

11:07pm | 17/06/09

the only articles I have read in the western press regarding the legitimacy of the Iran election have been posted by the UK Guardian
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jun/15/iran-election-analysis-figures

that and the outcry in Iran, the reports that the ballot papers have been burned and journalists being censored and evicted make me seriously question the legitimacy of the elections

Ultimately though regardless of whether Mouravi or Ahmadinejadare is the elected “figurehead” Iranian leader, I would never extend support of the theocratic government of Iran

Miranda says:

01:29am | 18/06/09

If Sally is still convinced that the election in Iran wasn’t fixed maybe she should have a look at this article:

http://www.vanityfair.com/online/politics/2009/06/exclusive-iran-election-results-totally-corrupt.html

Something tells me that counting 907 ballots a second or as the article puts it 54,444 per minute isn’t that possible

iansand says:

09:00am | 18/06/09

How does Australia process 10,000,000 (guess) hand written votes before midnight on polling day?  Lots of people counting.  We accept that as perfectly normal.  The Vanity Fair article demonstrates lack of experience by the writer, and little else.

PPR says:

10:35am | 18/06/09

Non-Iranians need to show solidarity with our brothers and sisters and exert massive pressure ALL OVER THE GLOBE. In Melbourne, I have seen change come about before as a result of >20,000 Aussies protesting about
East Timor. Common Melbourne, we turn up en masse for sport (I was at the M.C.G. soccer game in ‘97) let’s all stand with fellow human beings who have suffered for 30 years and could soon be staring down the barrel of tanks .Lets blow all political jellybacks away with a massive sympathic show of strength. Global citizens can help prevent this Iranian protest from turning into a Tiananmen Sq. If the present oligarchy in Iran know the whole world is on to them then we might just see a repeat of 1986 when Ferdinand Marcos was forced to leave the Philipines after massive PEACEFUL protests.

stephen says:

11:38am | 18/06/09

This situation should be heartening to israel : she is often cited as the only democracy in the Middle East, and now the whole world knows Iran wants to join the club.

CC says:

04:58pm | 18/06/09

The candidates for the election were vetted by the Guardian Council.  Do you need any more proof of election rigging?

Nader says:

07:14pm | 19/06/09

Hi - Can you please let me know, how I can find out about the next protest?  Can you please put me in touch with the organizers or website that has this information?

Thank you

PPR says:

10:20am | 20/06/09

Re new protests, HEAR HEAR. It needs to happen, and soon. It could soon get very bloody .I am not alone, even a Washington Post article by former U.S. Deputy Secretary of Defence(4 years) entitled : “No comment is not an option” makes the same comparisons. Lets hope the final outcome is good for the Iranian people, we just don’t want to see trouble to innocent citizens who have a dictator (with cronies) that hopefully will go the way of Marcos.

There is labour movement protest outside the Iranian Embassy in Canberra next Friday 26/06/09. But someone needs to organise more in capital cities.

Yakov says:

09:25am | 21/06/09

The dumb, gullible people in the West are believing everything their media reports without asking any of the important questions. An election is not rigged just because some people refuse to accept the result.

I have heard and read now from the BBC and from The Economist that “Mr Mousavi probably won”, but yet neither agency seemed to think it was important to explain how they came to this conclusion.

Until I see credible evidence, I shall continue to believe that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was elected by the will of the vast majority of Iranian voters, and that those claiming they were the victims of fraud are in fact the perpetrators of fraud.

PPR says:

04:54pm | 21/06/09

Western media comprises the whole spectrum :-  far left to far right, most
know they aren’t perfect but we can be eclectic about what we listen to. Not so with a lot of the East with their State run media. You forget that it was Western journalists that brought down Nixon. If an Eastern oligarchy had such trouble from journalists they would probably get poisoned and the story never get out..
Re credible evidence : I have done election scrutineering in my own country
and find it INCREDIBLE that paper votes were counted so quickly. It stinks so bad that I consider the present leader to actually be a usurper.

JK says:

11:40am | 24/06/09

I think Iran is onto something, I demand another USA election because the media rigged the election, Ron Paul didnt get fair coverage.
Lets all get together in Washington next wednesday… and shout STOLEN VOTES, and start burning cars.
Obama wont touch us, he says we have the right to express ourselves.

We all know this about Iran selling oil on the Euro, and not the Dollar.
Oh I know, we giving them ‘democracy’, that would be possible if we knew what it was. Oh wait, its that guy that lives in a cave thats doing this.
Poor Iran, breaking their country for Israel, I mean freedom.

Shutdown the FED, and the world will live in peace… damn bankers break everything.

Reza says:

12:15am | 28/09/09

Its touching to see all these people gathering for a same cause.
But believe it or not iranian are being toys subject with all this gathering to the west.Ayattollah are rnjoiying the power and money westers countries are enjoiyng cheap sources of mineral and other elements which come from that side of the world and also making it like we are stupid nation who cant take care of its belongs.Unfortunatly they make persian think to do such thing is effective no its embarassing and low.Mahin i hope you read this and understand what i ment.Look 1979 was also a big gathering and yet check the out come,speaks for itself…Beaware it would not stay on this course for long.

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