Every year multitudes of young people line up to unleash their hidden talents at the auditions for the Australian Idol competition. As viewers we are entertained by the many – alas, too many – whose efforts fall well short of what may be objectively regarded as talent.

Most interesting is their surprised reactions to being rejected. They truly believe they have something special to offer and cannot fathom that the judges disagree.

How is it that in all the years prior no one around these people, family or friends, had shared reality with them, tapped them on their shoulder and suggested they may be better off pursuing another hobby?

This scenario is representative of the wider outlook and attitudes of young people today, and the younger they are the more this seems to prevail.

The mantra for modern parenting is self-esteem. In countless interviews with Australian mums and dads they insist the most important quality they wish to instill in their kids is a high level of self acceptance.

The rationale for this comes for two different angles. On the defensive side parents fear the implications of low self-esteem.

Their greatest concern for their kids is that they develop depression or an eating disorder. While the media and public domain are filled with discussion on obesity parents are more concerned with the opposite.

They turn a blind eye to the obesity debate worried that focussing on their children’s weight may have negative consequences on their self-image.

(Here, there is a clear contradiction, for while mums attempt to instill in their kids self-acceptance and loving their body, they themselves do not believe it for their own bodies, and their kids know it).

On the proactive side parents believe high self-esteem is necessary in order to succeed in today’s competitive society. When they were growing up success could be achieved by going through the ropes, getting an education and skills and entering the workforce.

Today’s society is all about self-reliance with success requiring an entrepreneurial spirit and the ability to showcase oneself. So they encourage their kids to do from the earliest.

From the youngest of age kids are encouraged to speak their minds and express opinions. Parents are loathe to simply say ‘no’. Rather they discuss and negotiate, urging their kids to put forward their viewpoint, express an opinion and feel they are being listened to.

The result of this focus on the individual and their talents will be felt acutely by our society in the years to come. The reality is that while everyone wants to be above average less than half the population can be.

Kids are being set up with the expectation for great achievement having been told over and over ‘you can do anything as long as you set your mind to it’. Well, no they can’t.

And when they discover this truth the disappointment will be great. For some it may too great.

We are already seeing this with Gen Y as they approach their late 20s. Their expectations are high and goals quite profound.

Their role models are the billionaires entrepreneurs who started Facebook, or actors and models plucked from obscurity by talent agents, not the millions of others who remain unknown or have failed.

On reaching their late 20s and realising they will not be millionaires by 30, not even close, many young people enter a third life crises. With the past decade of growth and prosperity giving way to uncertainty many will have their dreams shattered earlier.

By focusing on success and achievement we are, with the exception of the lucky and talented few, setting our kids up for failure, something we are not teaching them to cope with.

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    • watto says:

      07:55am | 02/10/09

      I can’t help but think these bogan parents haven’t deconstructed the cultural myth that you need to be on TV or a celebrity to be somebody. Or that TV sells false dreams and illusions. It’s got nothing to do with self esteem, it’s just mass-fantasies that we are dealing with here. That’s cool, break the kids down, make them insecure and then sell them stuff - that what shows like Australian Idol are there for - to carry the advertisers who funded the show in the first place. Did you tell your kids that?

    • Davros says:

      07:59am | 02/10/09

      Excellent summary of what will be a major problem moving forward. The resilient individual knows failure, and how to get over it. That is one of the hardest, but best lessons, you can learn.

    • Graham says:

      08:01am | 02/10/09

      Wow….this guy is right…I can’t wait to tell my kids that in fact they will never amount to anything, regardless of how hard they try. Thank you so much for your advice!!! Perhaps it was your parents that got it wrong….

    • Charles Darwin says:

      08:16am | 02/10/09

      Talent is 90% nature, 10% nuture. 

      Whether it is sporting ability, intelligence, natural attractiveness.  You either have it or you don’t.  Simple.

      Natural talent, when nurtured blossoms into self-esteem and contributes to lifelong success.

    • Trish says:

      08:16am | 02/10/09

      I think you are missing the point.  I believe anyone can acheive anything, but they actually need to be taught that you need to work at it, put in the effort and do the hard yards. 

      The mistake parents are making is not that they cannot say “no”, but that they hand everything to their kids on a silver platter.  Hence the younger generation is deluded into thinking they can achieve anything just by simply asking, demanding or showing up. 

      Most successful individuals had to work hard and for long periods of time before they became successful.  Yes there are some of us who have natural talent, but while “yes” majority of us do not, it does not mean success cannot be attained with hard work.

    • Geefy says:

      08:17am | 02/10/09

      The irrational indoctrination that children are good at anything merely sets them up for failure, a long fall, and is terrible parenting. Good parenting identifies talents and cultivates it, while teaching a child its limitations. Good parent isn’t simply telling your child its the best thing ever at everything it does, because its a fallacy

    • Nagash says:

      08:23am | 02/10/09

      Better to have tried and lost, than not to have tried at all?

    • Cathy says:

      08:29am | 02/10/09

      Having no winners or losers in sports doesn’t particularly help the situation either.

    • Homer J says:

      08:32am | 02/10/09

      Kids, you tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try.

    • Sydney says:

      08:34am | 02/10/09

      This article is spot on. It’s simply not possible for anyone to achieve anything. No matter how much I train, I would never be a ballerina because I don’t have the natural body type. I would never be able to play world competition tennis, because my hand eye coordination sucks.

      No amount of training would correct either of those things.

      I don’t tell my son he can achieve anything. I do, however, spent a lot of time and money nurturing his strengths, and teaching him how to manage his limitations.

      I think

    • Sophie Benjamin says:

      08:36am | 02/10/09

      Yep, as a Gen Y I completely agree. My very loving and supportive parents also made me work for my money from a young age and were full of constructive criticism regarding my artistic endeavours.
      I feel the whole “you can do anything and be anything” style of parenting can almost result in a type of life paralysis. If you can be anything or do anything, why would you lock in and focus on just one career or one partner? This has a little bit to do with Gen Y’s flightiness and lack of work ethic.

    • Peter says:

      08:41am | 02/10/09

      Every parnent you meet will say how ‘little Johnny’ is so smart for his age…well if all these kids are so smart, where are all the dumb adults coming from?

    • Reginald Bucket says:

      08:41am | 02/10/09

      I am on the Gen Y edge of Gen X… whatever that means. But as a father of two and happily married, and at 27 years old, I have realised something… I am an adult. What does that mean? well, what I want doesn’t matter so much as what I need and that my spouse and children’s needs come before my own. Now I was raised in what most would call a relatively well rounded house, with well rounded morals but having been married for over 7 years I have only just come to this conclusion. I can only imagine the shock and horror at some of these kids who have never had to shoulder responsibility at all and have always been told how ‘good’ they were, even if there are little Sh!ts. It’s time to wake up Australia, forget the celebrity culture and put our backs into rebuilding this country… it can be done and must be done, else we will end up perpetually lazy self important slobs…

    • Samuel says:

      08:43am | 02/10/09

      Great overall article, but i think you’ve skimmed over a major cause.  I think the key point is this:

      “Here, there is a clear contradiction, for while mums attempt to instill in their kids self-acceptance and loving their body, they themselves do not believe it for their own bodies, and their kids know it.”

      It’s not just that parents need to instill a sense of discipline and realistic goals and expectations; it’s that they need to grow up themselves.  And this isn’t just in reference to body image, but numerous other issues as well.  A case in point is binge drinking; parents don’t want their kids doing it, but they don’t see it as a contradiction to go out with their workmates and do it themselves.

    • Bezza says:

      08:54am | 02/10/09

      I think Trish has hit the nail on the head fair and square, yes you may succeed if you work hard enough. The focus should be on WORK HARD and MAY SUCCEED. Nothing is guaranteed. Talent takes you just so far, hard work takes you the rest of the way. If you don’t have the Talent to begin with, even hard work may not be enough. Why don’t kids understand this today? I guess maybe because it’s a life lesson that we all have to learn at some point. Our kids are so sheltered now days they don’t learn this lesson till much later in life, often with tragic results. 

      It is just one more reason why kids should not be wrapped up in cotton wool and coddled through life. Life is about learning and growing and that means making mistakes and learning from them. Which surprise surprise means recognising that it’s important to have winners and losers, passers and failers, life is not win/win. Let your kids fail from time to time, how else will they learn to pick themselves up and better themselves?

    • Lee says:

      08:55am | 02/10/09

      Oh great more generation bashing. I’m gen y and hardly thought for a moment I could be a millionaire by the time I was 30. Both of my parents were fairly upfront with what I could have and when they thought I was doing something stupid. Of course they sugar coated some things, they’re parents after all! I have the things I want because I worked hard for it and I also don’t have a lot of things I want because I can’t afford it. Maybe it’s a city thing. Let’s have a city/country debate!

    • PS says:

      08:55am | 02/10/09

      MEL VARLEY you bloody idiot! This article has nothing to do with Gen Y.  I am sure kids of all generations grew up with high expectations and were encouraged by their parents.  A decent article which hit home the truths about morons thinking they have talent or think they have the brains to change the Australian political environment, yet in real life, use a high lighter to mark their favourite shows in the TV guide because they forget they are on!

    • Eleanor says:

      09:00am | 02/10/09

      Is that you, Tyler Durden?

    • o9 says:

      09:02am | 02/10/09

      As someone who has tried different fields, I say that you CAN do anything you put your mind to. People who say that you can’t obviously don’t understand the power of their own mind. Yes, as corny as that sounds, you can change your entire life by doing two things: 1. recognising a goal, 2. working out a plan to achieve that goal, and then do it! Yes, some kids are naturally talented at Cricket or Swimming or Knitting, and some kids are natural liars (see: politicians), whereas some couldn’t hold in a lie if they tried, but everybody can be changed if you truly believe that you want to. If you tell yourself that you will never change, there’s a good chance you won’t. If you go into life with an open mind, and go with your gut instinct, then nothing is stopping you from performing your best in a field you never thought you’d be able to get into.

    • tracey says:

      09:03am | 02/10/09

      It is one thing to instill self esteem into your child, it is entirely another to say that they have talent or ability in all things or even in something when they obviously don’t.  Imho that is cruel beyone belief.  Better to plant your children’s feet firmly on the ground rooted in the fact that they are not perfect (no one is) but to encourage them to aim for the stars and take, within reason, certain risks.

    • DM says:

      09:03am | 02/10/09

      From Parent of the century, Homer Simpson: “Kids, you tried your best, and you failed miserably.  The lesson is: never try”

    • Ray says:

      09:04am | 02/10/09

      Kids from an early age need to know what failure is going to be like and how they should deal with it.
      Without this simple instruction, kids will end up having major issues later on when they begin to live in the “REAL” world where failure (in what ever form it takes) is more often the norm rather than the exception.

    • Angryman says:

      09:07am | 02/10/09

      yes,yes,yes. I have been saying this to all my friends for many many years. I also translate this viewpoint to the theory of just why people are becoming worse drivers, more selfish and generally me orientated. As well all know road rules are based around common courtesy and the ideal that everyone is equal. However, these rules no longer work when even a minority of drivers are self focussed. Merging from a lane that ends, u-turns at lights, tailgating etc etc. are all products of people being brought up to think they are special, wonderful and the most important thing in the Universe. I agree, they ain’t that great and they ain’t going to change the world, and no the world does not revolve around them. Whilst some may achieve greatness, its up to the other 95% of the population to make it a reality. We are supposed to be a Society of people living together for the good of all, not a collection of individuals always seeking to gain for self.

    • Phil says:

      09:13am | 02/10/09

      I don’t believe everyone can be a superstar, but everyone can make significant progress towards doing the things they love.

      You might not get a record deal, but you could become a singing teacher.  You might not play for Australia, but you could coach an under 16 basketball team. 

      No amount of hard work can create talent, but hard work beats talent that doesn’t work hard.

    • N says:

      09:14am | 02/10/09

      Hahahaha… These stories rule.
      I just think it’s hilarious that parents still haven’t woken up to the fact that if their child sucks, don’t congratulate them for being bad, don’t encourage it.  WAKE UP, these children will one day rule our country.  I personally don’t want some looser making decisions based on ‘It’s okay, if you mess up, we’ll be fine, the country will sort itself out, failing is fine and we don’t have to win to succeed’. Pfft… Parents, punish your kids when they do something wrong, let them feel it when they fail, encourage them when they succeed, don’t think that they are equally as good as the child that has an IQ of 185, because chances are, your child isn’t up there.

    • John in Alice says:

      09:15am | 02/10/09

      The article is logically sound while many comments are not.  The point here is no one can accomplish everything they wish.  I think the worst parents are those who push their children to accomplish something they themselves wanted.  A good example today is the young girl who is attempting to sail around the world, and failure could be far more disastrous than losing a tennis match or not passing a class at uni.  There seems a growing focus on parents who want their children to be the youngest to accomplish some feat and maybe it is time for someone to finally say there will be no official recognition of ANY stunt based upon age.

    • Tania says:

      09:18am | 02/10/09

      What they don’t tell you on Australian idol, is that these poor souls (whose friends and parents have done them no favors by encouraging them) have been through a series of auditions before they get anywhere near TV cameras. Kind of explains the stunned looks when they are rejected, considering the amount of talented people who never make it to the judges room. These poor suckers were already delusional in the beginning, and as they watch others (many of whom ARE talented individuals, and making income from their talents) drop like flies through this audition process, they become more and more convinced of their own skills. Puts a very cruel spin on the show. That’s why I no longer watch. smile

    • Josh says:

      09:23am | 02/10/09

      I think you can do anything, if you put your mind to it. What people have to realise is there is natural limit on ability. People these days don’t know their limit.

      There is always someone better than you at something.

    • Alicia says:

      09:25am | 02/10/09

      I don’t think Trish hit the nail on the head. No one can be anything they want. You have to have talent for some fields to begin with. Simple as that. I’ll never be a singer, even if I work REALLY HARD because I can’t carry a tune to save my life. I’ll never be a professional rubgy league player in the NRL because they don’t take women, and I’m far too small. I think the best thing parents can do is nuture their childs strengths, not tell them they can be anything they want. Because they can’t!

    • Adele says:

      09:30am | 02/10/09

      I’m a Gen Y’er and always got the “you can do ANYTHING!!” spiel, but grew up completely unconfident in myself. Put the sweeping generalisation brush away please.

    • Dani says:

      09:33am | 02/10/09

      Fantastic article. I totally agree. As a GenYer in a very competitive uni degree, it’s certainly been interesting to watch mummy and daddy’s little darlings cope with being told they may not have what it takes. It becomes the tutor’s fault, the uni’s fault, anyone else’s fault that they failed - rather than what they submitted was a week late and full of errors…
      While i’m sure the tough love, work hard approach from parents also has it’s downsides, it does prepare you for the world a bit better.

    • Bon Frank says:

      09:45am | 02/10/09

      So don’t blame the Y Generation for being who they are. They are a product of society and its pressure to be bigger, better, faster etc. Everybody should just relax a bit I reckon.

    • Malcolm says:

      09:46am | 02/10/09

      The whole “talent” encouragement is a myth anyway. In fact parents that teach kids that they are clever or smart often do far worse than ones that teach their kids that hard work is what wins. “Talent” as we know it is 1% natural and unearned, 99% hard work. There are multiple studies that show that hard work will always trump talent in the long term. If you teach kids that working hard is the best way to make it, then talent becomes irrelevant for pretty much everything.

      Kids need to learn that working hard constantly for a long time is what brings success, not natural talent.

    • Paul says:

      09:51am | 02/10/09

      Dear Sad Sack,

      I love Australia but one of the most annoying things about our culture is the tall poppy syndrome and that’s all your article is attempting to do, a little bit of gardening.  I fundamentally disagree with you.  If you put your mind to it, you can do anything.  I see nothing wrong with telling your kids they can do anything if they work hard enough.  That’s a completely valid and valuable lesson.  Persistence dominates talent every time.  Have you ever noticed how pessimists never think they are pessimistic?  “I’m not a pessimist, I’m a realist.”  That’s you.  You are a pessimist.  Stop your internal dialogue.  “But, but…”.  PESSIMIST!  I already hear enough negative crap in the news like stabbings and rapes and beatings without people like you bumming everyone out.

      Smile.  It’s Friday!

      wink

    • Durden says:

      09:53am | 02/10/09

      This is brilliantly said. Many people with high expectations and no talent aspiring to be the one in a billion.
      One in 6 billion is all they are and all they ever will be.
      You are not a unique individual snowflake. You are the same decaying organic matter as everyone else. The all-singing, all-dancing crap of the world.
      Get used to it.

    • pal says:

      09:54am | 02/10/09

      well 09 at 9.02. I did ballet as a kid - wasnt particulary good at it (im not very co-ordinated). I would still love to be a ballerina though so are you telling me that now at the age of 30 if I set a goal and work towards it I will become a prima ballerina?!

    • Tyler Durdan says:

      09:59am | 02/10/09

      Man, I see in Australia the strongest and smartest men who’ve ever lived. I see all this potential, and I see squandering.

      An entire generation pumping gas, waiting tables; slaves with white collars. Advertising has us chasing cars and clothes, working jobs we hate so we can buy stuff we don’t need.

      We’re the middle children of history, man. No purpose or place.

      We have no Great War. No Great Depression. Our Great War’s a spiritual war… our Great Depression is our lives.

      We’ve all been raised on television to believe that one day we’d all be millionaires, and movie gods, and rock stars. But we won’t. And we’re slowly learning that fact.

      And we’re very, very pissed off.

    • Kat B says:

      10:15am | 02/10/09

      Some of the people I have met that are most prone to this thinking have been Gen X. The Gen Ys that I know are in fact more inclined to accept the statistical probability of success (very low in specific endeavours).

    • simon. says:

      10:24am | 02/10/09

      Surely the main issue is the under-valuing of people who are not ‘rich and famous’. What is wrong with living a happy, content life with a rewarding but not particularly glamorous job, and great family and friends? If we valued these more then we wouldn’t have this ridicuous need for things that can never be acheived.

    • Stephen Pickells says:

      10:24am | 02/10/09

      I think it’s better to artificially build the child up, than to continually cut them down. If you instill a sense of self esteem in the child, they will have the confidence to explore their potential – and possibly even realise it. If on the other hand you keep telling them they’re no good at something and should give up, that’s what they will do.
      When I was a teenager I thought I was a fairly decent singer. My music teachers told me so, my classmates seemed to agree and I was cast in several school musicals. But my mother insisted that I was hopeless. My mother had a strange technique for raising children. She believed it was a big bad world out there, and the sooner we learned about it, the better. This sounds great in theory, but can’t help wondering how I would have turned out if she had been more supportive.

    • Matt says:

      10:26am | 02/10/09

      Theres the whole nature / nuture thing to consider. To be good at something you have to have some natural ability for it… then through hard work and training you get better at it. Some parents just need to say to their kids “Perhaps this isn’t your thing? Let’s find something else that you are interested in AND have a natural aptitude for”.

    • tm Leung says:

      10:28am | 02/10/09

      As a parent myself, I can understand that mums and dads wanted their children to have self-esteem, but I think the problem is that we taught the children that self-esteem can only come from being “successful” and our concept of “success” were completed distorted by the popular culture and TV celebrity.  If we’re honest, then we know that there are a lot of things that we cannot control.  Telling the children that they can achieve anything by working hard may be true some times, but when it fails, it can have the opposite effect of pushing the young person into depression.  Instead, we need to teach children self-esteem that comes from their intrinsic values as a person, self-esteem that comes from integrity, honesty and character that one builds over time and difficulties.  This is the self-esteem that will not be swayed by popular opinion, tossed back and forth like a piece of wood on the seas.  This is the self-esteem that will help our young people not to be arrogant when successful nor discouraged when unsuccessful.

    • Leah says:

      10:29am | 02/10/09

      Thankyou so much for this post. We live in a society where we are told people can have/do whatever they want; that women can have both successful careers and successful families at the same time; that girls can do anything men can; that kids can grow up to be whatever they want to be; that people with disabilities should still have all doors forced open for them if need be.

      Well, sorry, but while women can have both careers & family, if you try to do it at the same time, one of them will have to give. And sorry girls (I’m a girl myself), but we quite frankly just do not have the same muscle power as men. And kids just do not have the same talents - not all of them have the ability to make it as a singer, teacher, policeman, doctor or lawyer. And while I believe physical disabilities shouldn’t stop you from doing most things, the fact remains that if you’re blind and deaf, chances are you probably don’t have the ability to successfully take music classes.

      We have to understand our limits (and be willing to sensitively point out others’), but not settle to have our limits lower than they can be.

      I do not believe this is tall poppy syndrome like other commenters have suggested. If someone is capable of doing something great, then GO FOR IT! I’m happy for you, and would never try to cut you down. Tall poppy syndrome is trying to bring down people who are legitimately talented and successful. Telling people they’re a terrible singer (when they are) or they just don’t have the ability to be a professional danger (when they don’t) is NOT tall poppy syndrome.

      Also, to all those saying “better to have tried and lost then not tried at all” or “stop being pessimistic”: there’s nothing wrong with TRYING, or AIMING high. The problem is when these people try and EXPECT to achieve, EXPECT to hear “you are amazing”, and the concept of failing or rejection or having to try again does not cross their minds. Sure, good on them for auditioning for Aus Idol. Just don’t act so shocked when you’re told ‘no’.

    • Mull says:

      10:30am | 02/10/09

      What a load of tripe!  Since when is making a child feel special and boosting their self-esteem wrong?  Give me a break.  There are soooo many people in the world ready, willing and able to put sh*t on someone without recommending that parents poo poo on their kids too.  My daughters “paintings” are a mess of colours yet I think they are the most beautiful things I have ever seen.  My son can’t dance to save his life, but I love it when he shakes his groove thang like an electrocuted monkey.  I will leave it to the pricks of the world to put them down, in the meantime I will tell them that they are the most talented and beautiful children in the world.  However, they will never be subjected to public humiliation in the hopes of obtaining stardom.  They will be taught to love what they do and create, not the attention that so many people seem to crave.

    • Dave says:

      10:41am | 02/10/09

      He is not saying don’t boost their self-esteem or give them encourgment. He is simply stating that you should be realistic with them.

      If you child weighs more than a Sumo and wants to be a Dancer you need to be honest with them and say that is great, you could be a great dancer however you need to become Health first (Healthy meaning around a size 10 to 16).

      Same with singing, if you know your child sings worse than a cat in a washing machine don’t fill them with false hope so that if they go on TV their dreams aren’t destroyed in a public arena.

      People bitching that you should tell you kids they are awesome regardless are just stupid people who should not have had kids to begin with.

    • E E says:

      10:43am | 02/10/09

      I have one of these rare children with an IQ in the top .01%.  Fairly daunting. She is aware of it but we keep stressing to her that this does not make her better than anyone else.  We keep telling her that it is important that she is nice to people and a happy person.  We point out lots of role models that are great because of what they do (patience, kindness, service to humanity) not because of their IQ score.  With her brain she can probably do anything (accedemically) that she wants. We are trying to instill to her hard work, she at 9 has a paper round to earn money, no free ride here. She is expected to cook and clean at home. A great movie is “Meet the Robinson’s” shows that you fail many times before you succeed.  We have tried to make her realise this. Only time will tell if we are successful.

    • Jodi says:

      10:45am | 02/10/09

      This is ridiculous, another gen-y bashing. Of course we can have whatever we want, however the fundamental point is that we are all individuals and we all want different things. Not everyone wants to become a celebrity or multi-billionaire and live in a 10 bedroom mansion on the water, most people strive for simpler things, happiness, a loving family, a steady income and a stable job that doesn’t make us want to bash our heads against the wall at the end of the day. I was raised to have good self esteem and confidence in myself but that doesn’t mean I actually did until I was older and realised that there are far more important things in life than what other people think about you. Kids rebel and just because our parents instil certain values in us doesn’t mean we will believe them and follow them ourselves. It is still important to do so though, because we do remember those lessons when it really counts. What would you propose we do, tell our children that the most they will ever accomplish is completing a work for the dole program? I know that I can do whatever I want, but wanting something and doing something about it are completely different things and kids know this just as well as adults do.

    • RT says:

      10:45am | 02/10/09

      Typically for commentary on blogs, many people here have (chosen to?) misinterpret the message of the article, reading it as ‘it’s no use trying’.

      If that’s the level of comprehension skills that some of you have, it’s a far bigger problem than that of unrealistic personal expectations that the article is warning of.

      The idea that ‘anyone can achieve anything’ is nonsense. To enter many professions, a person has to be in, say, the top 2% of the HSC results. By definition, most people cannot achieve that, even through the hardest work and the most intensive coaching. That doesn’t mean that a student shouldn’t strive to achieve their best possible HSC results, just that for most, by the time they sit the HSC, should have adjusted their expectations to reality.

    • paul says:

      10:48am | 02/10/09

      I run a youth group of about 30 kids, i am a gen X (nearing 40) with Gen Y tendency’s (I’m immature). I see these kids (16 to 27) and I have to agree with this article. I have no doubt they are well educated and socially strong but with all the education and support they don’t understand WHY. They know the answer to Physics questions that would do your head in but the don’t understand why gravity keeps us stuck on this ball. its like they have the answer but not the working out to all the questions in life and for all there self esteem they have no self awareness, one of them wanted to join the Navy I knew from the beginning that she didn’t have the “metal” to join but she went through the selection criteria and was finally denied based on her “social” skills, so instead of taking the rejection and looking at why she wasn’t suitable she is now looking at joining a similar profession. I am now trying to “harden” her up and expose her to more “reality” because her parents have no idea and are still doing the ‘you can be anything you want”. Who knows in the next year she may be ready for the Navy or i may end up in jail for exposing her to something that is beyond what she can handle, who knows but i feel its my job to try to get her to “grow up”.

    • Karl says:

      10:48am | 02/10/09

      At last…people who agree with me and aren’t obsessed with rewarding mediocrity. Remember when kids only got a trophy if they did something really exceptional?...now even the wooden spooners all get trophies. Remember when pass the parcel only had one present in the middle and the game was all about the suspense of who was going to be the lucky one?...now there is a little gift under every layer so that everyone’s a winner….gah! Kids have to learn how to pick themselves up when they fall down or don’t make the grade.

    • Tim Price says:

      10:57am | 02/10/09

      As a Gen Y, who knows very much that I am not going to be a millionaire by thirty, but still working towards my goals, I believe that I can achieve what I want to do, but I know that there aren’t any shortcuts to that.  I am now working in the lowest-paid job I have ever had, but have never been happier.  I dropped my (reasonably) well-paid and well-respected teaching job for forging a career in the music industry as a live music promoter and now at a digital distributor (for which, apparently, my parents get a lot of questions about - apparently I am crazy for wanting to be happy.  I wanted to neck myself as a teacher, drove me crazy.  I am now forging ahead in a career I am happy about and I still have a long, long, way to go ahead of me.  You CAN be whatever you want, but you have to be realistic and set your goals and what activities you are going to do to achieve it.  Gen Y are an entrepreneurial lot, give us a shot.

    • Nyree says:

      11:03am | 02/10/09

      I think some commenters have lost the message…of course you can DO anything, but you shouldn’t expect to always be the best at it.

      It’s up to parents to reinforce the difference between a goal (achievable, worked towards) and a dream (when things mesh and you do better than expected). I can become a better singer by taking lessons and practicing but for me to be the next Billie Holiday…that’s going to take the singing lessons, the practice, a hell of a lot of talent and all the planets aligning.

      Success shouldn’t be about being better than everybody else in the world in our chosen field. That’s setting all of us up for failure. We should see success as being better at our chosen skill/s than we were yesterday.

    • Peter says:

      11:13am | 02/10/09

      Right on Trish! People forget that the sportsmen/woman and talented superstars (not born into Paris) of today, that 99% of them started at a young age to perfect their craft. We just see the end result not the years of hard work by the kids and parents alike.  I think in so many jobs, true craftmanship is disapearing for the sake of a quick buck!

    • Marshall says:

      11:17am | 02/10/09

      “Natural” abilty is a misnomer. Some people become succesful by combination of historical circumstance, genetics and hard work. The major problem is not that parents tell their kids they can “be anything,” its that everyone seems to think they can “be anything” just as an offshoot of their fantastic and unique individual character rather than putting in the effort that is required. About 10,000 hours until you’re any good at anything if you believe Malcom Gladwell, and then you still need to be in the right place at the right time.

    • Rational Thought says:

      11:30am | 02/10/09

      @Nagash (8:23am) “Better to have tried and lost, than not to have tried at all?”

      The article was not questioning the trying; the issue is with those people who don’t understand that trying doesn’t always lead to winning.

    • pokkeme says:

      11:31am | 02/10/09

      Great story - I am amazed at the number of people who advise, ‘if you set your mind to it and work hard, you’ll make it’. Sure you will, a long as it’s not a natural talent-based arena like singing, sport, physics, fashion, or art, to name a few. If schools gave a better indication of where a child stands in the pack, they wouldn’t be so deluded later on.

    • Kirsty says:

      11:33am | 02/10/09

      Only half the population can be above average - but you can measure that average on a lot of different things. I have a degree but would be completely lost fixing my car, whereas some of my friends are very skilled with mechanics without “book smarts”.

      I work with teenagers and agree that their self esteem can be fragile, but rather than never tell them they are wrong, I first compliment them on something they are doing right, then tell them what they need to work on.

      You can find a balance between boosting self esteem and being honest about someones skills and talents.

    • Deon says:

      11:36am | 02/10/09

      I’m sorry Trish but not everybody can achieve anything.  As a teacher I deal with this misconception on a daily basis.  Parents with unrealistic expectations ultimately cause more harm than good.  One of the greatest failings of current pop psychology is that effort rather than success is rewarded with the unfortunate consequence that young people never learn to deal with failure - a key skill if one is to ever achieve success.

    • James says:

      11:39am | 02/10/09

      I think the “Demotivator” produced by Despair Inc. says it best, with it’s picture of a packet of French fries and the caption “Not everyone grows up to be an astronaut”

      Sadly, I don’t think enough people believe this, leading to another poster: “Winners never quit and quitters never win. But if you can’t win and you don’t quit, you’re an idiot”.

    • Tony Erbe says:

      11:45am | 02/10/09

      As per usual we are singling out a small group and using that as a norm. However this view does reflect what I percieve is the “marketed” way to bring up our children: don’t smack them, negotiate, don’t put them down, etc, etc.. 

      Fortunately the majority of “good” people, by my definition, hard working, needs before wants, rational persons can see that the “world” wants you and your kids to think CONSUMERISM: Have anything when you want it and me me attitude, (buy now pay later, want befor e needs, selfishness). Is not prevailing.
      The normal person is well aware of the ploy, and is bring up there children correctly,The sharing, caring, buy what you need, work hard save a little attitude. Yes we reward them something is done well, however the age does come when reality and our funds allow need to, there is no point spending money on a want, where the kids will never achieve.
      We live comfortably without extravangantly and have a little savings, no huge unsustainable debt. There are a hell of lot of us out there as seen by these comments. We are not newsworthy however, so you never hear about them/ us.

    • TimT says:

      11:46am | 02/10/09

      What a great summary. I think the current generation of parents may have absorbed the self-esteem mantra in schools and not thought too much about it. When they tried to raise their kids according to these mantras… disaster followed.

    • Carl Palmer says:

      11:53am | 02/10/09

      This is first class garbage and I’m thankful that you were not involved with my kids. Your article is off the planet stuff and I totally reject it. My simple response is this –

      My family subscribed to what the 30th President of the United States - 1923–1929 Calvin Coolidge said

      “Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful people with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb”.

      Oh and another small observation, the article focuses on the “end result” - WRONG!!!! You see when you coach a team for example you should never use the word “winning”. Winning is an outcome of doing lots of other things which ultimately influence the end result. Pretty simple stuff.

      Over and out

    • Shea says:

      11:56am | 02/10/09

      I agree with Tim Price, you can be anything you want as long as you’re realistic.
      I wanted to be a pilot, but due to blindness in one eye that was just not possible, I knew this, so I set my goals on something else, I still love to fly, I sometimes think what if, but in the end whats important is that you choose a path which makes you happy be that as a brain surgeon, or happy go lucky Kenny the dunny man

    • Ben says:

      12:14pm | 02/10/09

      the key is balance, all kids and everyone needs a self esteem or a boost to self esteem, just dont fill them with false hope, be realistic, dont pedal unrealistic dreams and fantasies. And thats not to say you shouldnt be bland and tell your kids that they will never amount to anything, but dont fill their heads with hot air. AND DONT LIVE THROUGH YOUR CHILDREN, for gods sake people, let them live their lives.

    • stephen says:

      12:16pm | 02/10/09

      Success don’t equal money bro’, and let the littlen’s go for it.

    • Amazon says:

      12:20pm | 02/10/09

      sound me me like there is some biter people here. sure, blame poor genetics, or lack of ‘natural’ ability/talents for your shortcomings. The fact is if you work hard, you are likely to get somewhere whether it be sport/academia etc. Sure you might not become the elite of you chosen field, but not many people do. but to say a naturally talented person who just sits on their arse all day is still likely to out-perform a “less talented” hard working person is ridiculous. People should be encouraged to work hard and improve themselves.

    • alto says:

      12:28pm | 02/10/09

      Carl Palmer - and I’m glad someone like you was never associated with my kids. I don’t think you can even understand a simple proposition.

    • David says:

      12:28pm | 02/10/09

      So, when my 5 year old comes to me and says “daddy, I want to be a singer when I grow up”. I should reply “don’t be so stupid, you can’t sing to save yourself. Have you ever thought about working in a supermarket”

      A round of applause for all the geniuses on here. I think there is a big difference between paternal support and disillusionment which many people are finding difficult to grasp!

      Perhaps the real problem with society at the moment is the negativity of oll the old timers who are upset that they have not made the most of their lives and are regretting not taking the chance to put themselves out there.

    • Man says:

      12:41pm | 02/10/09

      I think the ‘protective bubble’ on youth imposed by their parents is partially to blame. It’s perfectly fine for parents to want their kids to be safe. It’s also fine for them to try and give them opportunities they didn’t have growing up.

      Where this falls over is when encouragement to improve is lost because a child “can do no wrong”. Handing the world to your child on a silver platter is a very loving gesture, but the child must know how hard work is involved in giving them such gifts. They must know their boundaries in order to surpass them.

    • Matt says:

      12:44pm | 02/10/09

      Interesting article.

      Being Gen Y it´s been interesting deconstructing some of the stuff put into our heads. I now realise that being a millionaire before 30 is probably unrealistic (25 in February). Lucky I didn´t realise that 5 years ago, because I´m on the path to being very successful.

      There´s so many new possibilities that for us to become a millionaire by 30 is more likely than it was for a Gen Xer. The internet is such a game-changer. If you spend long enough on it (key words) you can crack the secret - for me it´s been around 5 years of experimentation with failure and mediocre income being the results. However all that learning and working has put me in a position to be able to recognise and capitalize upon new opportunities, which I´m doing now. Millionaire by 30 is now an altogether realistic proposition.

      Maybe I´m the exception. But from what I can see and observe, Gen Y seems to be producing far more exceptions.

    • Emily Pemerly says:

      12:44pm | 02/10/09

      I’m 22 and i was bought up i feel the right way. We didn’t have much money but made do with what we had. I was taught to respect others and my elders but do not let anyone walk over me. To do a chore and not expect to get pocket money out of it because not everything we do gives us money and just because we do something nice of that takes effort doesn’t mean we should be paid for it but to do it as a sign of friendship and a favor. I know and agree that a lot of Gen Y have high expectations with respect to earning money and what they think they should have (a house and a new car) but we all have to remember that Gen Y did not raise themselves which means another generation has installed this way of living and thinking into this younger generation. So who do we blame? Do we blame Gen X for being too soft of their children and raring their children with different morals to what Gen X we reared with or do we blame Gen Y because, well, just because they are the way they are?

    • Designer says:

      12:45pm | 02/10/09

      Hmm, I disagree with these comments. I studied industrial and graphic design with quite a few people who couldn’t draw to save their own life and after a lot of practice they were pretty good at it. I was talented at drawing I must admit but a fair few students weren’t. By the end of the 4th year there was no difference between the talented and the people who just loved what they did and worked hard to achieve those results. The point is that a lot of practice can make you better than a talented person in some cases and I’ve seen it with my own eyes. That said if you’re 5’1” and wanna play basketball, well that’s a physical limitation - not talent that’s stopping you. You could be the best basketball player in the world but if your size is the problem well there’s not much you can do about it. In my opinion it’s not your strengths that should be nurtured but the things you’re really passionate about. Joe Cocker would have failed as an opera singer yet he still sings. Art, sport and anything else is a skill that can be honed with years of practice - how good you are in the end is up to you and your biological limitations but even if you’re not the best in the end, you can still be better than just competent if you work hard at it for some time. There are plenty of avenues you can pursue.

    • Ryan says:

      01:34pm | 02/10/09

      I personally think we need to teach kids to focus on being solid human beings. To learn whatever craft they want to do and to learn it well first, then shoot for the stars after.

    • suze says:

      01:35pm | 02/10/09

      Kids need to be given the skills of resilience as well as self esteem. Failure is good and not getting what you want is good, it teaches you at a young age how to cope with rejection and how to overcome it. I want my child to be confident only so he can not be a victim of bullying. I don’t in turn want him to “become” a bully.  Parents who think they are doing good will actually set their kids up for failure. Life isn’t what we see on TV and reality does indeed bite. Doesn’t mean you don’t encourage your kids to try. It’s scary out there because you want to teach your child manners and say no when it’s necessary but you have so many kids who don’t have manners and whose parents have inflated their kids with a sense of self entitlement that those children are like little Darwinist, its become survival of the fittest in kindy.
      I don’t care if my kids a genius or not i care that he’s happy and functional.

    • Carl Palmer says:

      01:58pm | 02/10/09

      @ Amazon says: 12:20pm | 02/10/09
      Spot on.

      @Designer says: 12:45pm | 02/10/09
      Re basketball, the smallest guy to play in the NBA was Muggsy Bogues @ 5.3”, (I think he was on a few TV adds not long ago) played around 900 games, represented his country and won a gold medal. Though he wasn’t 5.1” he still played against near 8 foot giant teammates and opponents, you are right, it can be done.

    • Murph says:

      01:59pm | 02/10/09

      Perhaps it’s time to bring back the days of the astonishingly brutal Bernard King (RIP) in Pot Luck, who once memorably told a below-par young poppet something like “People, your friends, relatives, will tell you how talented you are. Don’t listen to them.” (Thanks to The Late Show.)

    • melo says:

      02:30pm | 02/10/09

      i totally agree with this viewpoint. however, this is nothing new in australia. its yet another ‘americanism’ thats been infiltrating our culture for the last 20 odd years. you only have to watch an episode of the iconic ‘Kath n Kim’ show to see how the look at me, look at me, LOOK AT ME!!! generation has dominated the previous (v, british) propensity for self-depreciation and natural cynicism. rather than fear the low-self image/expectations etc, i fear most the hideous over-stated sense of self-important worth pervading our society.

    • Carl Palmer says:

      02:53pm | 02/10/09

      @alto says: 12:28pm | 02/10/09
      Thank you for your thought provoking and hard hitting contribution to the article.

    • RT says:

      02:57pm | 02/10/09

      Amazon, David, Carl Palmer - so after all the posts trying to put misinterpretations of this message straight, you still think that what’s being said in this article comes down to: ‘It’s useless to try, just give up’, is that right? Is it because you lack comprehension skills, or because you have a mindset that is over-sensitive to even a slight suggestion of a different viewpoint?

    • Baroness Riffraff of Ipswich says:

      03:20pm | 02/10/09

      Here’s something most of us find hard to accept, for ourselves let alone for our children - average means just that.  Most people are average - average intelligence (not that bright), average looks (not beautiful or handsome), average abilities (not Luciano Pavarotti, Susie O’Neill or Kevin Gillard), average personalities (pretty boring).  Isn’t that why we love Kath and Kim?  They show us as we are, unconsciously funny, weird looking, and basically talentless.  Most people can’t sing in tune (even Kylie) or construct a proper sentence (me).  Embrace it gang - we’re Aussies and we know who we really are.

    • Sally says:

      05:05pm | 02/10/09

      I would argue that those kids who are publicly humiliating themselves of Australian Idol actually have lower self-esteem than you may think. Sometimes low self-esteem drives people to become attention-seekers, in order to ‘prop-up’ their already fragile ego. On the other hand all the Gen-Yers sitting in lectures at uni, studying for hours everyday on difficult degrees or working hard day after day, in demanding trades demonstrate high self-esteem (to me).

    • Owen says:

      05:10pm | 02/10/09

      As Tim Price says (10:57 a.m.), with many things in life there is no stopping anybody from achieving it if they put in the effort and be realistic about the need for hard work to achieve their goal. Being realistic means you have to accept statistical probabilities that “success” may be unlikely no matter what your level of effort is. Sometimes one may have to accept that (in the foreseeable future at least), if you’re short and want to be an NBA player or if you’ve been shot in the throat but still want to be Australian Idol in 2011, it just may not happen at all! Certainly though, I think that no-one should discourage people from trying to do whatever they want to do with their lives (within obtainable reality of course).

      I think what this article is suggesting is that “self-esteem” should be held in relativity with reality to be of more benefit as a parenting objective. It’s probably been said before but there’s an acronym called S-M-A-R-T (Specific, Measurable, Achievable (Attainable), Realistic and Timely) that has to do with goals and objectives in life.

    • watto says:

      06:43pm | 02/10/09

      Australian Idols success is gauged by number of viewers or eyeballs on ads. Not by self esteem levels of the losers. Not by number of winners or careers created. Sure it could launch your career but knowing that it’s just a broadcasted audition factory for musical show ‘actors’ might depersonalise the rejection.

    • Sharyn says:

      07:55pm | 02/10/09

      A large proportion of famous “singers” cannot sing. Most of these auditions are better singers than many famous pop stars. The current “fab” song Last day on earth is sung by a girl that cannot sing. Stevie Nicks could not sing. Bruce Springsteen sounded like a dying, constipated cane toad and the list could go on forever. It depends on the song and how it is promoted, not on whether the “artist” can sing.

    • Jolanda says:

      08:39am | 03/10/09

      The Tall Poppy Syndrome is rife in education in Australia but it has more to do with the adults in power than the children’s peers.  I too have children who have IQ’s in the top 0.1% and their experiences when they were in the Public School system have been filled with anguish and despair as the system does everything in their power to cut them down.  Most would think that it must be that the children are arrogant and rude and up themselves but anybody who knows my children will know that they are polite, respectful, and kind and they very well behaved.  So why would those in the system do it?  It has to do with this mindset that our Education system has of them wanting to be the ones who determine who are the ‘smart’ kids and they want to dumb everybody down to a certain level so that they make them all present essentially the same.  All the same except those whom those in the DET chooses to be different of course.  When a parent speaks out and brings up a concern or the fact that their children has a high IQ or a talent in a certain educational arena the hair on the back of many of those in the education system goes on end and they go into attack mode and they do everything in their power to go out of their way to crush these young people, discredit the parents so that others will develop an attitude against them.  Parents are scared to speak out.  Many parents are just trying to balance the damage done by our school system when they tell their children that they can do anything that they want.  On that note I would say that I often see young people do things and dress in ways etc and I can’t help but wonder what is going on in the parents head to allow their younger children to humiliate themselves or act in that manner and way.  I certainly am a firm believer of telling young people the truth and the reasons why I have come to that conclusion is always added to the end - of course depending on their age - the choice is then thiers.  Young people must learn to make good choices.

      Education - Keeping them Honest
      http://jolandachallita.typepad.com/education/
      Our children deserve better

    • ?? says:

      04:20pm | 05/10/09

      healthy self esteem is good, but to think that you are exceptional to everyone else is dangerous. it can damage a person like a poor image of one’s self can.  only 0.1% of the population will ever reach the status of billionaires, supermodels or be the next angelina jolie etc… the rest will be left with unhappiness, debt, mental illness or in extreme cases, suicide.  t.v, magazines, movies etc.. sell fantasy. the number of people that indulge and believe in these mediums, is unbelievable.  i find it really creepy how many people are deluded enough to believe that they will somehow be joining the ranks of the 0.1%

    • John B says:

      04:29pm | 05/10/09

      Spot on article…kids today are brought up with a false sense that they can “do anything” and “no one can hold you back”...they then leave school and find out that in the big bad world, there are bosses saying “no, you can’t start out as a manager with a corner office, you start out sweeping floors and work your way up like everyone else”. They find out that, despite what they have had drummed into them, everyone can’t do everything equally well…in life there are some winners, and a whole bunch of losers, simple as that, and the sooner they realise this the better. kids deserve to be told yes, try your best, knuckle down, and study hard, but don’t have overly optimistic expectations of how the real world works. You have to be a success to succeed…not everyone succeeds, not everyone gets thier dream job, and not everyone ends up as a high flying manager or CEO…someone has to do the grunt work, and don;t be surprised if it’s you…
      At the moment we have a 16 year old girl sailing off into the wide and cruel sea, because she has had it drummed into her by her parents that “girls can do anything”, and any word of dissent or suggestions of putting it off until more experience is gained by expert yachtsmen and women is treated with disdain and ignored.
      Kids like this need to learn that there are actual experts and mentors in life who really do know far more than you ever will, and you should listen to them! As they say about sports: no matter how good you are, there is always someone better, and the shock on the faces of top golf, tennis, or motor racing people when some “unknown” rises up and beats them shows it can take time for this to sink in.

    • Bob M says:

      04:34pm | 05/10/09

      Jessica Watson?

    • allegra says:

      04:44pm | 05/10/09

      you also need a healthy dose of good luck on your side too.

    • Carl Palmer says:

      11:31am | 06/10/09

      @RT says: 02:57pm | 02/10/09
      To your first question – No and to your second, my point of view is that I reject the article because I haven’t seen nor experienced what the article seems to suggest.  For example, the opening paragraph – could it be that some of these contestants did it for a joke? Are we talking about those kids that fall in the one percent category? Could it be that the parent(s) – knowing full well that their child can’t hold a note, suggested they not audition and that their friends had revved them up as a dare to have a go? Were there any non Gen Y participants??

      Kids learn pretty quickly that they can’t sing, play an instrument, a sport or dance or paint or that they can become a Nuclear Scientist - I’d say they’d know around the time they sit for their HSC. My kids fall into this Gen Y - The Millennial Generation and together with their friends didn’t exhibit the type of behavior as suggested by Neen Korn.  They all seem level headed to us.

      I would suggest the opposite – it is the achievers that would tend to exhibit this type of behaviour.  For example do we recall the behaviour of Leisel Jones early in her swimming career when she threw a wobbly on national TV after loosing a race she expected to win? She had an unshakable expectation that she would win – until she saw her time on the board! Have we also subsequently noticed how she has evolved into a polished, mature and well spoken young woman irrespective of the result? So whilst this group maybe more susceptible they typically have the right minders (not always) to pull them back into line and access to a whole range of professional services to facilitate the change in behaviour.

      As for achievement – achievement doesn’t mean beating everyone in the class, state, country – the world. Achievement is manifested in various ways, beating your PB, passing a subject, transposing a piece of music for the first time or swimming a lap of the pool for the first time and yes making an Australian squad, irrespective of whichever one it is they should be equally celebrated. Whatever the “level” of achievement it may be, it is never an easy road because it requires dedication, persistence, hard work and a guiding light to support, nurture and encourage as you experience the ups and downs which will inevitably come your way.

      Seems to me that there is far more upside in the “you can do world” as opposed to the “you can’t do world” - you go Tim Price 10:57am | 02/10/09.

    • Shane says:

      10:40pm | 06/10/09

      I am clearly seeing a trend towards a generation of punchers well above their weight. I am a builder and now after fifteen years on tools have worked my way into a consultant role and deal with residential clients face to face.

      The average female under 25 that comes in and demands attention is usually single and will stay that way with the me too me now me the best attitude they universally exhibit. The males are limp wristed and tattooed up with feminine piercings and also single because they are stuck in some perpetual boyhood phase.

      Useless human beings basically and they get the shock of all shocks when I stand up to their ridiculous luxury housing requirements and explain to them how they cannot have “pimped” out mansions on their median wage budgets.

    • Tank says:

      09:18am | 07/10/09

      Just working with Gen Y types is bad enough. They crave attention, love being complimented, demand feedback (as long as it is positive) and dissolve into a vale of tears if anyone dares to say anything that doesn’t reinforce their own self-image as divine children with a golden and guaranteed future.
      Gen Y are a big bunch of babies.

 

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