I’m sitting in a bar, watching the punters. One guy’s scrawny neck is poking out of a cheap rip-off Manchester United top. He’s tried to prop up his wispy hair with too much product, and his eyes bulge so he looks vaguely alarmed.

People get to Thailand and think all their Christmases have come at once

He stinks of body odour and beer. His mate has womanly, swaying hips and a soft face that melts into multiple chins. His pants are too high and his lips are big and wet.

It’s a busy bar, and every time a woman walks past, these men make a grab for them. For their bums, or their boobs. They drape their arms around the woman who brings them more beer. They leer.

The women – who are uniformly beautiful - roll their eyes, shift away subtly, but no one kicks up a fuss, because this is Thailand.

Thailand, the Land of Smiles, is also the Land of Sex. It’s also been called the Land of Happy Endings. For many it has become a sex destination.

Legendary pits of seediness like Patpong and Soi Cowboy in Bangkok offer sex on tap, and coastal towns like Pattaya are practically dedicated to “happy endings”.

Thailand’s well-known but little-understood “third gender”, the ladyboys, are a part of the heady mix. So are children. But it’s mostly women sucked into the vortex of the sex industry – hundreds of thousands of them. Millions, some reports say.

In countless bars you can stroll in and pick a woman by the number hanging on a sign around her neck. Or you can just watch them swing desultorily around a pole and uncomfortably sip your overpriced drink.

Most of these women are probably poor. They’re badly paid – although they earn more than they could hope to in the rural areas they come from. The prostitution industry is rife with corruption, abuse, disease.

It’s an issue Thailand is struggling with, and it’s a complex problem that’s difficult for an occasional tourist to comment on.

But what is obvious, and nauseating, is that there are thousands and thousands of farang – foreigners - who all too easily throw away any respect for women that they feign to have back home.

In this bar, in Bangkok’s Soi Cowboy, one girl tells us “Fat and Skinny” are refusing to pay for “friendship”, or to buy the women a drink – the equivalent of a tip for their company – and yet they are groping madly. She shakes her head, but indicates it’s not worth a fight over.

And it could turn ugly if these women try to stop them, because these men have a proprietorial gleam in their eyes, even though they are not actually paying for anything other than their beers.

They have girly bar fever and they are beyond reason.

You see hordes of farang walking down these alleys, dazzled by the neon lights and mindlessly flattered by the range of gorgeous women calling to them, flirting with them, beckoning them into bars and sex shows. And it seems that is all it takes for them to discard their morals, and that is really quite frightening.

It strikes me, watching them, that far more men than I ever imagined only keep a check on their behaviour because of a fear of reprisals. Put them in a more liberal place – in a hotel room with their rugby mates and a drunken fan, or down Soi Cowboy – and suddenly all the rules are out the window.

A couple of young guys, wobbling slightly, yank a young-looking girl down from her seat and start whispering in her ear, and pulling on her skirt. One catches sight of me over her shoulder and blushes slightly. His mate pushes the girl against a pole briefly and kisses her neck as she struggles, giggling nervously, then they both walk away laughing.

Don’t miss: Get The Punch in your inbox every day

56 comments

Show oldest | newest first

    • BB says:

      07:53am | 10/09/09

      Most sex workers in Thailand cater for local Thai men where use of prostitutes is considered completely normal and near universal. Prostitution has been a mainstream part of Thai culture for thousands of years.

    • Bart says:

      08:09am | 10/09/09

      BB’s rubbish claim sounds like the sort of one you’d make if you were a farang who suddenly felt ashamed and defensive after reading this article….

    • Voxpop says:

      08:10am | 10/09/09

      A lot of the bar girls in Thailand are prostituted out by their husbands and boyfriends.

      Those groping farang would be sorted out down an alley later if they went too far.

      So embarrassing to see lecherous, ugly old men with beautiful, petite young women

      Great article
      “It strikes me, watching them, that far more men than I ever imagined only keep a check on their behaviour because of a fear of reprisals. Put them in a more liberal place – in a hotel room with their rugby mates and a drunken fan, or down Soi Cowboy – and suddenly all the rules are out the window”

      At times it doesn’t seem like men have evolved much since leaving the cave.  OK so they’re like kids in a candy shop but do they have to debase themselves and those around them by behaving so badly - they’ll still get the sex.  If they behaved that way normally a western woman, and others around them would show displeasure and it would pull them up as they’d know they’ve gone too far.  What these men fail to realise is that the Thai girls don’t like it either but they are always smiling and very agreeable and would never criticise or make you lose face as they don’t want to jeopardise the transaction.  The men are attracted to them because they are young, beautiful and very accomodating as well as perceiving them to be innocent, shy, subservient etc.  This elevates their ego and they become arrogant.

    • Voxpop says:

      08:18am | 10/09/09

      BB the sex workers that cater for Thai men don’t earn anywhere near as much money as the ones that cater for the tourist sex trade - the author is talking about the tourist hot spots where there are huge numbers of girls.

      Yes prostitution has been around for ever.

    • rufus says:

      08:39am | 10/09/09

      BB is right. BY most ‘official’ estimates there are something like half a million female prostitutes in Thailand. This is far in excess of the demand created by tourists, though that is large itself. So most of the prositutes work in brothels not frequented by tourists. Those that get to work in the tourist bars are the comparatively lucky ones that can earn good money and have a chance to snag a foreign husband and a ticket out of the place if that’s what they want. None of it is pretty, but apart from noting that, what is the point of the article?

    • lmarcel campbell says:

      08:51am | 10/09/09

      Prostitution is about the obscenity of poverty which creates opportunity for the exploitation and sexual objectification of girls and young women.

    • Eric says:

      08:58am | 10/09/09

      Way to generalise about all men from the behaviour of a few.

      It would be equally valid to say that all women are whores at heart because some Thai women are prostitutes.

      The misandry in this article is pretty shameful.

    • John A Neve says:

      08:59am | 10/09/09

      Tory,
      You have missed the obvious, while the only thing about men that has changed and that includes me. Is the clothes we wear.  Women know this
      and deliberately cater to our needs.
      So tell me, who is at fault here, the men or the women?

    • JD says:

      09:10am | 10/09/09

      I think the point is, the whole thing is a sham. Life is a big sham. All these blokes that we sit with at work, walk next to on the streets, are full of it. They have zero respect.

      I might be a bloke myself, but I find sex to be one of the most over rated things in society. I just don’t understand the big deal, nor do I lust after it the way most do.

      I guess the lack of desire, as much as some may see it as unfortunate for both me and my partner, but it allows me to see the authors point, and the world without it being skewed by those feelings.

    • Andrew says:

      09:16am | 10/09/09

      Nothing new in this - and a few exaggerations, but as someone who knows Thai society very well (I have a Thai wife who - no - I did not meet in this industry as many locals foolishly and offensively typecast Thai women) I can confirm BB’s comments are factually close to the mark and Voxpop’s observations not far from the mark either.

      But I have to pick up on the most emotive comment in the column: “The prostitution industry is rife with corruption, abuse, disease.”

      That’s clearly barrow-pushing by the author who has no idea of the facts. Thailand is used as a case study internationally for the way it has dealt with the HIV problem amongst working girls (and boys) and it is alarmist and totally untrue to say the industry is “rife with disease”. Abuse - no doubt as in any industry in a developing country, although not as excessively as she’d like to believe. Corruption, yes, but again, no different to any other entertainment industry where licensing is required. As a health reporter I’d have thought you’d know better.

      Also: I have visited Thailand - various parts - many times over the years. I don’t go looking for children for sex, but I have sometimes found myself in some fairly seedy places. Never have I ever been offered a child, or witnessed the availability of any.  Ladyboys, certainly. But Thai authorities have been working hard to eradicate the underage problem and they’ve been largely successful. The author will find most of that problem is currently in neighbouring countries, less developed and less well policed. It’s a shame that in commentaries like this they get no credit for the advances made.

      This column really is just a postcard home from someone - like most first time tourists to Bangkok - surprised by what they see in one of only three small streets in a huge and exciting city. It’s disappointing to see Thailand and its people typecast by what goes on in three small places which combined would be about the size of Sydney’s Dixon St in Chinatown!

      Emotive nonsense like “countless bars” and “sex on tap” suggest to those who don’t know better that the whole city is teaming with women available for sex! Not true.

    • LB says:

      09:25am | 10/09/09

      The comments here trying to justify the behaviour is pretty awful, and I think actually proves the author’s point.
      These girls arent enjoying themselves, they dont want to be prostitutes. Just because they arent kicking and screaming doenst mean it isnt sexual assault. They are poverty stricken and people in desperate situations do desperate things.

    • Tim says:

      09:30am | 10/09/09

      Bullshit JD,
      are you sure you aren’t a man-hating female in disguise?
      How many men go to Thailand each year on a sex tour?
      By the tone of this article you would think we all take our yearly vacation there.

    • JD says:

      09:39am | 10/09/09

      Tim, it’d probably make life easier if I were, my poor partner puts up with it, under much protest. I am what I am.

    • Voxpop says:

      09:54am | 10/09/09

      I agree with Andrew and have spent time in Thailand as well - not just as a tourist but welcomed into Thai friends homes and wanted to understand their life and culture better.  I have 2 Thai sister-in-laws and a lot of Thai friends - I also don’t like the generalisation that all Thai women come from the industry.  Anyone that has met the mostly Aussie, English and Euro expats living in Thailand will understand how they are sucked into the lifestyle.  And although there is a percentage of women that are forced into prostitution many are rather pragmatic about it and more concerned in the economics and providing for their families.

    • Steve says:

      09:59am | 10/09/09

      Tory
      I think you got a 5 day ticket to visit Bangkok & Pataya went to a couple of bars & now you are an expert on Thai culture.
      Sure in a lot of cases it is hard that these girls are forced into this way of life & yes they will earn more than they can ever dream of in the country & yes there are guys that don’t treat these ladies well. And bear in mind (if you had stayed longer) Thai’s have a way of sorting real foreign trouble makers out & it can be quite nasty.
      But YES there are many guys that do treat them well & who look after them & who make them their “girlfriend” while they stay in Thailand & there are many cases where these ladies have met the “man of their dreams” so to speak & moved on.
      But it’s not all as you say, you want to know a country live there or stay longer then make your comments.
      But hey freelance Journos have to make a living so write what you like better then working in a bar, but same outcome.

    • AdamC says:

      10:26am | 10/09/09

      I can understand the author’s distaste at the unconstrained lust and commodification of sex she witnessed on her visit to Thailand. However, while I know little of Thailand and its culture, I question the value of hand-wringing westerners applying their own morality to everyone and imposing a sort of infantalising victimhood on everyone who seems to sit outside it (like these Thai women). The Thais are entitled to run things how they wish.

    • AFR says:

      10:53am | 10/09/09

      Here we go, another farang woman travels to Thailand and thinks “these poor girls”. Its just so tired. Those of us who actually have Thai partners, speak the language and know aobut the culture just laugh at your ill-informed comments.  Thrust me: if a guy got really out of line, it wouldn’t take 5 minutes for 10 Thai guys to turn up to beat the crap out of them.

    • Pinchey says:

      11:28am | 10/09/09

      Judging the culture of Thailand by what happens in a small, localised corner of the city is like judging the entirety of Australia by a Saturday night on Darlinghurst Rd in Kings Cross. Completely blinkered and nothing like the other 99% of the country.

      Couldn’t agree more about the men behaving badly, and it embarrases the hell out of me too (male). The use of the actually isolated but perennially used Bangkok/Thai experience serves to reinforce what is a pretty skewed ‘farang’ perception of what the country is all about and only makes the situation worse.

      I suppose your article does serve as a great reminder of why real traveller’s actually travel - to go and experience things and learn what places are actually about for themselves.

    • Lexi says:

      11:33am | 10/09/09

      AFR and other posters who said they have Thai wives, I don’t think Tory was inferring at any point that all Thai women are prostitutes - because considering the Thai population, the prostitutes are a very small minority.  Nor would she or anyone else suggest the old cliche of mail order bride - it is so far from the truth that it’s not even a tired cliche, it’s a dead one.  If you’re married to a Thai woman, I assume it’s because she’s your soul mate.

      This article was also not part of any conspiracy against men - there are a small number of western men who prey on the poor and uneducated women (men and children, too) of developing countries, including but not limited to Thailand. 

      What I saw in the article was the observations of one western woman who has seen the reaction of vulgur western men when they consider themselves “caught out” behaving badly.  They knew it was poor form, they would not want their mother or colleagues to see it, they wouldn’t want it filmed and posted online.  They KNOW their behaviour is appaling.

      Yes, prostitution is a long run industry in Thailand - but it is on most continents on Earth.  It’s not called the oldest profession for nothing.

      From my friendships with a couple of Thai people, but not having gone there, it is a place where politeness and respect are valued highly.  Why can’t these western men act politely?  Prostitutes or not, all people deserve respect.

    • Michael says:

      11:43am | 10/09/09

      “thrust me” hehe I can see why you liked thailand raspberry

    • Trafford says:

      11:46am | 10/09/09

      This is nothing more than voyeuristic nonsense.

      It’s a tired and boring theme that has been done time and time again - Caucasian Woman Reveals Shocking Asia As Seen Through her Unyielding Moral Prism, Makes Friends with the Girls in a Way that her Fat Pig Countrymen Never Could. Big deal, so you’ve been to see the ping pong shows. Yawn. Did you check out the night markets too? Well I guess you’ve done your research then. Time to shock some of the girls and wag the finger at those bastard men back home.

      In sticking to the same formulaic expressions of sisterly concern for Thailand’s sex workers and the cliched moralising about those ugly men who don’t rightfully deserve to participate in life’s great sexual marketplace (how dare they forget their rightful place) you have failed to see a much more complicated, interesting and infinitely more nuanced picture.

      Bangkok’s red light districts are indeed, places where a great deal of exploitation goes on. 90% of the time it’s the gullible, lovesick ‘farangs’ (yes, you’re one of those too) who are exploited by those fragile, creatures you describe. There are sharp fangs and talons beneath many of those sweet exteriors, I guarantee it.

      But why bother leaving your own neighbourhood to write this piece? Look under any rock in any country of the world and pretty much the same creatures will come scurrying out.

      Personally, I think it is tragic when anybody chooses, for whatever reason, to work as a prostitute. When sex becomes work, then one of the best things about life is cut up and sold to others, and in some cases that means it is gone forever. But women (and men) have done this for as long as recorded history. It really ought not be so shocking after all this time. 

      Can you imagine reading an article by a Japanese woman who took a stroll down King’s Cross - went into a couple of the nightclubs, saw some naughty Japanese men ogling the Australian hookers there, and then used her experience to paint a picture of Australian society, as comprised of legions of exploited Aussie hookers and child prostitutes living under a blanket of seediness and corruption?

      That’s pretty much what you’ve managed to do in this piece. But don’t worry, you’re not the first, and won’t be the last to succumb to the journalistic indiscretions on offer in Thailand.

    • MK says:

      12:11pm | 10/09/09

      Hmm… reading this article, and some comments, makes me very grateful for the partner I have! I really ought to appreciate him a lot more, considering a lot of the sleazy / empathy free men out there.

    • AFR says:

      12:18pm | 10/09/09

      MK, I’m not trying to say i’m without empathy or are “sleazy”, and neither I think are any of the other guys commenting. We just hate ill-informed reporting and generalisations masquerading as journalism.

    • Peter Thornton says:

      12:29pm | 10/09/09

      Gee…Another good article on The Punch; one that might draw a bit much needed attention to and possibly even help participate in a solution for an ongoing problem (as distinct to a ‘happy ending’) ends up being just another ego-fest. No surprises there…

    • MK says:

      12:30pm | 10/09/09

      Your entitled to your point AFR, and I actually wasn’t referring to your comment. BB, and John A Neve are the ones who’s comments seem to justify to the journalist more than anything else!

    • Ben says:

      12:30pm | 10/09/09

      As a bloke I didn’t read any generalised denigration of men as all being sex tourists. I’ve got to say Eric that from reading your various posts over a period I’m left with the impression that you are extremely bitter towards women. Have you tried just getting over it?
      I’m not sure that it was Tory’s intention to give a dissertation on sexuality in Thair culture so I think its a bit harsh criticizing her for not doing so. However, it is a good point that Thai culture does have a different approach to sexuality than our Irish/Anglo-Celtic one and that women do often find it irritatingly easy to take on the role of God’s Police.

    • rufus says:

      12:35pm | 10/09/09

      MK - c’mon, say just what it is that you find distasteful here and why, don’t just chuck in a snide remark and walk away.

    • Daniel says:

      12:37pm | 10/09/09

      Indeed men get to behave like pigs in this environment - akin to women out in Brisbane at 2am.  No respect.
      I found the customers of Soi Cowboy to be fairly well behaved on the business trip I took there.  In Phuket I can’t imagine how many times I got groped (heavily) by local girls - at least 3 times as much as I do if I go out locally.
      You’ll find there is little difference between male and female given equivalent situations.

    • Mark says:

      12:43pm | 10/09/09

      Misogynistic Eric is back! Intertesting points on here, but anyone who’s an avid reader on the Punch has perhaps realised by now someone with as much bitterness as Eric that digs their own grave with their own comments, isnt worth including in discussions. I’ve seen enough of his comments on various things to really pity the bloke!

    • Tim says:

      12:48pm | 10/09/09

      Good work Mark,
      ad hominem attacks are far better.

    • Michael says:

      12:52pm | 10/09/09

      I’m an avid reader I see Erics comments all the time, I’ve agreed with him sometimes and sometimes not, I’d rather have a wide range of views from him then listen to you try and convince people that his views are worthless.

    • Bateman says:

      12:58pm | 10/09/09

      Do you honestly believe the veneer of civilisation we shroud ourselves in is a true representation of who we are?

      I hope no-one would be that naive. Strip it away and we would descend into Mad Max in a matter of weeks.

      Humans are not civilised. Humans are savages.

    • intepid says:

      02:26pm | 10/09/09

      “It strikes me, watching them, that far more men than I ever imagined only keep a check on their behaviour because of a fear of reprisals.”

      It should further strike you that the men in those bars are self-selecting and therefore their behaviour and attitudes should not be considered exemplary of men in general.

    • James says:

      02:49pm | 10/09/09

      It’s a problem, but don’t exaggerate how wide spread it is.

      You make it sound like every man that travels to thailand gets involved.  I’ve travelled through most of Thailand, north to south, and have not spent any time in the seedy towns and streets mentioned - it’s easy to avoid, if you want to.

      Do not tar the whole of Thailand, and all Thai people, and travellers with the same brush, and do not make out that this problem is unique to Thailand - or Asia for that matter

    • jack launceston says:

      03:36pm | 10/09/09

      Dear JD,

      When a guy says this,

      “I might be a bloke myself, but I find sex to be one of the most over rated things in society. I just don’t understand the big deal, nor do I lust after it the way most do.”

      Switch teams so at least you feel part of something…

    • Punching on says:

      03:47pm | 10/09/09

      @ Michael, er… how exactly are Eric’s views ‘wide-ranging’? They are ALWAYS slanted against women, whatever the topic. Hardly wide ranging views there..

    • Michael says:

      04:19pm | 10/09/09

      I’m sorry I don’t have a database of every post by eric to refer to, maybe you do? you sit there logging all his comments and know for fact he only ever makes comments against women? I’m fairly sure I’ve read his opinion on articles that have nothing to do with women.

      Either way, I come here to read what people have to say on the issues presented, I don’t agree with what a lot of the majority have to say, but this site is pretty damn pointless if everyone is saying the same thing and coming from the same angle.

    • Eric says:

      04:28pm | 10/09/09

      “It strikes me, watching them, that far more men than I ever imagined only keep a check on their behaviour because of a fear of reprisals.”

      That’s a gratuitous generalisation based on misandry. Watching the behaviour of men who frequent sleazy Thai sex joints only tells you about the behaviour of men who hang around in sleazy Thai brothel bars.

      The 99.99% of us who have never set foot in such a place are gratuitously smeared by the author of this piece.

      Why does The Punch have to run a daily man-bashing piece? It seems to me that female journalists are the ones obsessed with hate.

    • AFR says:

      04:44pm | 10/09/09

      Not trying to sound insensitive - but can someone who knows what their talking about, please explain to me how sex-tourism is a “problem” that needs to be “fixed”?

    • rufus says:

      05:31pm | 10/09/09

      AFR - What we have with the sex industry is a case of supply and demand. Take the morals out of it for a moment. Lonely and/or horny and probably unattractive men want to spend money on a woman, and women are there to take the money to provide the service. While it may be demeaning to those involved in the eyes of those who look on, it’s really nobody else’s business where consenting adults are involved.

      We are discussing the sex trade in Thailand with the understanding that it’s the relative poverty of the country that makes the trade more attractive and afordable to western men than it is in their own countries, and it’s also about the way it’s apparently set up to be more fun and entertainment than it is in western countries.

      It comes down to - if you don’t like the sight, don’t look. Moralise about something that matters more, like the apalling conditions for just about the entire population of a country just across the border, Burma.

    • Kate says:

      05:39pm | 10/09/09

      My, my, aren’t the men on here defensive?

    • Eric says:

      06:01pm | 10/09/09

      Kate: My, my, aren’t the women on here offensive?

    • AFR says:

      06:29pm | 10/09/09

      Rufus, I agree with you completely.

    • General Hummer says:

      06:38pm | 10/09/09

      Apologies for backtracking so far through the discussion but….

      @Voxpop - I would have to strongly disagree with your statement that prostitiutes catering for Thai men don’t earn anywhere near as much money as ones servicing tourists.  I believe you would find it is actually the other way around.  As with your statement implying that there are more girls servicing the tourists as opposed to those working in the “Thai” end of the market.

      It doesn’t matter which end of the market you are catering to, the vast majority of working girls choose to do what they do.  They are attracted by the comparitively good money paid for comparativiley little effort.  They are comfortable living on the wild side, working essentially when they please, earning the equivalent of a week’s wages of a typical office worker in a couple of hours.  To many this occupation is seen as an ‘opportunity’ rather than a ‘sacrifice’.

      I once employed a female from this background while managing a company in Thailand, thinking I was doing her a favour and giving her a go at a better life where others wouldn’t.  She didn’t even make it to the end of her probationary period (3 mths) before quitting and going back to work in the bars, claiming that having to come to work in the office for 9 hours a day, with 10 days annual leave (standard in Thailand) and 14 Public Holidays per year was unbearably boring and tiresome, and she could make a month’s wages from the office out of 3 customers at the bar (and in one night).

      Tory, I wonder if you noticed the young, clean shaven, neatly dressed and well behaved males in any of the places you visited?  I would hazard a guess that as many males would fall into this category as into the stereotype category you have so enthusiastically slagged.  I suppose they don’t have the same shock factor/writeability to them do they?

      Anyway, at the end of the day, prostitution is illegal in Thailand, so I would be curious to know where you believe you saw all this debauchery and abuse taking place?........as it doesn’t exist!!

    • lucky bill says:

      07:23pm | 10/09/09

      its because men shag hookers Kate and we dont like it being exposed…

      honest. you would be stunned…

    • Voxpop says:

      09:29pm | 10/09/09

      Actually I think a lot of you are missing the point or avoiding it at least.  It’s not necessarily about Thailand - that was just an easy setting to describe.

      I’m surprised no-one has referred to the footballer example “Put them in a more liberal place – in a hotel room with their rugby mates and a drunken fan, or down Soi Cowboy – and suddenly all the rules are out the window”
      I have to admit to having a chuckle when I read that and thought that it would get everyone going.  But I guess that one’s indefensible whereas rushing to the defense of Thai culture is easy.

      The men that behave so badly are not .01% of the male population, sadly it happens a lot given the right set of circumstances and that is what Tory is talking about - read the title.  When the sex comes easy some men behave like pigs at a trough.

    • Minstrel says:

      10:23pm | 10/09/09

      Funniest thing I ever saw: The look on feminist faces when they went to Thailand and started lecturing the girls on the “evils” of what they were doing. 

      2 things came up

      1 - you have a Catholic guilt problem, sex is a purely physical act, nothing more
      2 - we earn 100 times what we would earn in the fields.  How about you go away.

      The look on the western faces was classic, way better than anything Borat achieved

    • Juggs says:

      09:31am | 11/09/09

      The men are described in terms of the neanderthal, but the woman are ‘uniformly beautiful’?  Now there’s an awful stereotype.

    • Ben says:

      10:17am | 11/09/09

      Way to go Kate! Give people like Eric some credibility. Keep up the razor sharp analysis!

    • rufus says:

      10:43am | 11/09/09

      Voxpop: much the same could be said about the prevalence of rape committed by male soldiers in war. But when thinking about it, should we condemn: 1. those men 2. all men 3. war 4. the human race or 5. all of the above?  I didn’t think the premise that some men behave badly when the opportunity arises worthy of much comment.

      Kate: that may be the most extraneous comment on here. People get defensive when others get judgemental.

    • bart says:

      11:10am | 11/09/09

      As a man i’m deeply ashamed of the way most of the men in this thread have attacked the author and women in general. This article was not a man-hating piece that made sweeping generalisations. It was a colour piece on the human tragedy that is Thai prostitution. The fact that some would seek to justify the men’s actions on the basis that there are millions of Thai prostitutes and these ones are well-paid is quite mind-boggling. I think most of you are abhorrent, dirty little creeps and it terrifies me that you might be in proximity to my wife or daughter. I now feel like i need to disinfect my pc.

    • AFR says:

      11:48am | 11/09/09

      so, bart, now the activities of a few pissed blokes on Soi Cowboy are akin to a “human tragedy”? Give me a break.

    • Paul Horn says:

      12:42pm | 11/09/09

      Trafford you are a legend, extremely well said. Now let me add another slant to this male hating piece Ms Shepherd. As a male walking around Bangkok’s more seedy areas I am appalled at huge numbers of Thai females thrusting themselves at me and begging me to come in and have a drink.  Wh I am being accosted thus? Females dressed extremely suggestively though far less so than your average White Western woman who considers it her “right” to come to work with cleavage below her belly button, often wearing no underwear clearly visible through her “see through” white dress and making a damned annoying clatter in the office wearing ungainly high heels. Strange how you see only the bad behaviour of the males completely ignoring what is willingly put on display! I have lived for many years in South East Asia Ms Shepherd and compared to the way the females were treated in local bars these girls are in heaven. In the Phillipines girls are herded behind a glass wall to be chosen by Phillipino males they cannot see. Often they are bought up on stage and paraded naked before a male audience until one offers the right price.  In Western bars Ms Shepherd the women have their drinks paid for and one must also pay for their time! Any male acting inappropriately beyond a certain level is told to get out lest they see the pointy end of a loaded gun!  They can also refuse to accomodate the male if they dont like the look of him. Many girls simply dance on the stage are not available for anything else and are paid for it. But of course your pathetic biased investigation would never have revealed any of these basic facts.

      And as one previous contributor has pointed out I too employed a young local lady as an office assistant who had formerly worked in a bar but she got bored and went back to her old ways. There’s an old expat saying Ms Shepherd
      ” You can take the girl out of the bar but never the bar out of the girl”.

      Only a white Western woman can display the level of heterosexual hatred as greatly as you!!! Asian women are far more feminine and treat males with infinitely more respect and diginity. Once you go out with one you would never entertain the thought of an ungainly Western woman again. Pity poor Aussie males!  They are suckers!

    • Chris R says:

      01:45pm | 11/09/09

      Wow! What an interesting read. It would be way cool if you could provide a link within your own comment to previous comments so that when you referred to a previous poster you could click straight there, have a quick read, then click back.

      When Paul Horn said Trafford was a legend I had to scroll through to find this legenedary Trafford before I could make sense of Paul’s obvious admiration.

      When Eric was given the boot by a couple of posters concerned by his possibly unwomen-friendly stance I had to find this Eric, and was amazed to find only one post from him prior to that booting.

      Oh and I like that term “ad hominem”.

      Anyway, well done everyone, Tory included. Nothing like a bit of sex, sexism, sexual exploitation, and sexual squeamishness to get the dogs barking eh?

    • Tory says:

      05:03pm | 11/09/09

      Hey people - cheers for all your responses - just wanted to respond in turn!

      It’s completely true that I have no right to comment on the rights and wrongs of the Thai sex industry or that beautiful country’s culture. I have spent a fair bit of time in Thailand, and lots of time in SE Asia, but nevertheless this was just a quick stopover - so I tried to steer clear of that and just describe what I saw. What I felt I did have a right to comment on was the behaviour of the Western men there.

      My immediate response watching them was nausea so I decided to try to sift through why I had that gut reaction, and the answer was because they so quickly reverted to being grabby, grubby sleazes. I’m sure that happens in all sorts of places all over the world, but this was the particular example I happened to witness.

      Contrary to how many people read this article, I’m not anti-prostitution. I’m actually in favour of legalising it here. But I am firmly against the sort of power imbalances that too often make prostitutes victims.

      I’m also not a man hater or full of “heterosexual hatred” (thanks for that, Paul Horn!). I am quite a passionate man lover, thanks very much, although there were a couple of Sapphic moments at university.

      And while I recognise that it may seem like a generalisation of all foreign tourists and all Thai women to some of you, it was honestly just observations from one evening.

      Back to you.

    • Pattaya says:

      03:44pm | 16/03/10

      Very interesting info. I was searching the web and finally I found Your blog. Regards.

 

Facebook Recommendations

Read all about it

Punch live

Up to the minute Twitter chatter

Anthony Sharwood

#markwebber just wasted petrol faster than everyone else in monaco #f1

Anthony Sharwood

In my sports column on The Punch tomorrow: why Eurovision was easily the best game on the weekend. Mummy bloggers, you'll like this one!

Daniel Piotrowski

The Logies could learn a lot from Eurovision #lamethings#sbseurovision

Daniel Piotrowski

RT @ellehardytweets: Already despondent about the next fifty one weeks. #sbseurovision

Recent posts

The latest and greatest

Abbott’s crass logic: trash the Parliament in order save it

Abbott’s crass logic: trash the Parliament in order save it

An email was sent to almost every politician in Australia this week saying that someone should cut off…

Our special forces don’t always need special treatment

Our special forces don’t always need special treatment

We admire them, but we’re not entirely sure why. We allow them to operate in the shadows; we rarely…

A good holiday is about unrest, not rest

A good holiday is about unrest, not rest

Like a fat full-stop, it lay in my hand. A small orange – not exactly fresh, but purchased anyway…

Nosebleed Section

choice ringside rantings

From: They must pay for one’s bitter disappointments

Michael S says:

"A teacher at Geelong Grammar had criticised her for using words that were too long, which had left her confused and had made her doubt her ability to write essays. She became ''quite distressed'' when her English marks began to fall." I can sympathise. My scholastic mentors conveyed to me a causal relationship… [read more]

From: Welfare for breeders is a bonus for everyone

Change Up! says:

I have no problem paying my taxes. As a single, childless person on a very decent income, I can afford it and not have my life severely altered. Plus I understand that my taxes paying for things like schools, childcare and infrastructure is ultimately a good thing. A better community is better for me… [read more]

Gentle jabs to the ribs

They must pay for one’s bitter disappointments

They must pay for one’s bitter disappointments

A private school girl’s family is sueing her elite, extremely expensive private school for not… Read more

243 comments

Newsletter

Read all about it

Sign up to the free daily Punch newsletter