Being the small-l liberal kind of place that it is, South Australia not only has a “thinker in residence” to help generate innovative ideas for public policy, but a kindly Catholic priest called Monsignor David Cappo who heads the Social Inclusion board to vet major government policies for their community impact.

Former Flinders patient Laura Crook credits the centre with saving her life. Photo: Chris Mangan

Both of them must have been on a rostered day off when the State Government and the Health Department came up with one of the more foolish public policy ideas of recent times, which will have the effect of denying vital health care to sick young women, and forcing older women into an environment which experts believe will not help but harm their wellbeing.

SA has clocked up plenty of progressive firsts. It was the first Australian state to give women the vote, first state to recognise indigenous land rights, first state to introduce an anti-discrimination act – but now it’s about to clock up a first of a different kind as the first state to effectively shut down a cutting-edge health facility which for the past 30 years has been saving the lives of young women battling eating disorders.

It’s a facility which has a national and international reputation for treating people with anorexia and bulimia, whose medicos have been hailed as leaders in their field, and whose former patients credit their very existence with the treatment they received.

In its wisdom, the State Government has decided to close the Eating Disorders Unit at Ward 4G at Flinders Medical Centre. It quibbles with the word “close” and is upset that frontline health professionals (that is, the people who do the heavy work as opposed to those in the bureaucracy) are hailing it as a closure.

It’s as good as a closure. They are getting rid of all of the Eating Disorder Unit beds at Ward 4G. Patients over the age of 18 will now be cared for at the general mental health unit at the Margaret Tobin Centre, at the back of Flinders. Patients under the age of 18 will not be cared for at all, and no explanation has been given as to where they will find the kind of acute care they need to battle eating disorders.

As The Advertiser reported last month, 20 of the 114 patients Flinders treated in its two or six-week programs last financial year were under the age of 18.

In a perverse kind of way, some of these teenage girls might be counting themselves lucky that they didn’t wind up being cared for at Margaret Tobin, based on the assessment of health professionals I’ve spoken to about the issue this week.

These patients – almost all of them female, often in their early 20s – will now have to share a ward with general psychiatric patients who are battling myriad conditions.

Not only does this mean that women suffering acute eating disorders will no longer have access to a facility which is dedicated 100 per cent to tackling their condition. It means they will have to share a facility with older patients, many of them men, who suffer from conditions which seriously affect their behaviour towards other human beings.

This most certainly isn’t an attempt to stereotype sufferers of mental illness. But the sad reality is that there are plenty of male patients being cared for at the Margaret Tobin Centre whose conditions have left them completely unsocialised. A lot of them have probably had very limited contact with women at all.

One health professional put it this way: “If you are getting these young, thin, skinny girls who are desperately sick and then mixing them in an environment with men who are often psychotic and completely disinhibited, not only will it make it harder to treat these girls and speed their recovery, but you are placing them in an environment where there is a very real risk of sexual assault and violence.”

I mentioned Mosignor Cappo up top because Mike Rann has made much of his influence in crafting more humane and compassionate public policy. This has included the critical issue of mental health care. The Government argues that it has increased its mental health spend.

Mental health professionals see it differently. They regard whatever increases which have occurred as illusory, in that the area was so neglected for so long that any extra money has not let the sector catch up with demand.

They also question the wisdom of measures such as the Glenside sale, with the old hospital soon to be the site of a major shopping centre, with a clear gap between the amount of money the government got from the land sale and the cash it has put back into health care.

More disturbing though is the view that whizz-bang terms such as “social integration” are being used to justify kicking deeply unwell people out of fully-accommodate 24 hour medical care, and putting them on the streets where they pose a threat to themselves and potentially others.

For all his late-onset conversion to the cause of mental illness, as Premier of Victoria Jeff Kennett was hated by the medical community for championing bottom line-driven policies such as casemix which turned health care into a numbers game and drove many sick people onto the street.

There’s a strong view in SA’s medical community that what’s happening at Flinders has more to do with accounting than medicine.

It would be a tremendous pity to say the least if a purpose-built centre with a proud 30 year history of saving young womens’ lives was sacrificed through a desire to save money by filling empty beds at another centre which is totally ill-equipped to provide the care which Ward 4G has become famous for.

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    • stevie p says:

      06:08am | 03/12/10

      Come on David - you know the score here. If its to do with principle or money - it always comes down to the money. This issue was debated on ABC 891 the other morning and the health spokesperson seemed so bitter about staff in the Centre actually having an opinion on the subject that it was obvious it was a cost-cutting exercise.

    • TChong says:

      06:27am | 03/12/10

      A strange angle on this story.
      Regretable maybe,that a dedicated unit is to be decentralised, but the expertise gained will still be availble.
      Maybe the economics show that the single issue unit is not necessary, and that the patients can still recieve the care they need in “general” mental health units.
      As for the women being placed in danger - a sad media beatup , relying on ill informed fear of “mental “patients, and villifying male mental patients in particular.
      While some patients may be considered dangerous - they are recognised as such thru screening and are monitored and treated accordingly so.
      The suggestion that the young women are just going to be thrown to the lions, the doors locked, and they fend for themselves is utter crap.
      In “mental health” and the cross over to womens health, quite a few of the health professionals in this area often have an axe to grind, and misandrist attitudes arent hard to find.
      I know , gals and guys , I work with them, and many really do view men as “the enemy”.

    • Phil says:

      07:48am | 03/12/10

      TChong, thanks for a balanced and balancing comment. Love that “misandrist” word too, don’t often see it in context.

    • Tombowler says:

      10:26am | 03/12/10

      TChong thanks for the rose-coloured Labor fanboy perspective. I nearly considered that Labor Govt could be making a mistake for a minute.

      I also take this opportunity to thank you for your ill-informed and rather arrogant contradiction of the expert-on-the-ground opinion with your typical faux-intelligentsia armchair general style.

      It is fantastic that some blogger is more capable of assessing the risks associated with the integration of vulnerable persons with those likely suffering serious psychotic episodes.

      How often, do you think, do the ‘economics’ match benefits in niche healthcare?

      As for your final inferences; Any chance Eric has posted under your name? To suggest that health professionals are motivated in their comments by a hatred of men is a serious slight. It is to suggest that misogynistic views that they (may or may not) hold are a driving influence in their professional behaviour.

      if you argue that a healthcare professional (or any other professional ie. lawyer, detective, human resources manager) will allow personal prejudices in respect to sex, race etc to control their professional actions and direction; it is a very, very serious accusation.

      I would argue that your opinion is not only ill-informed but total and utter crap of the highest order.  If you wish to slander large swathes of an occupation as unprofessional and vindictive I suggest you provide some evidence beyond some fantastical and spurious personal experience.

    • Robert Smissen, rural SA, God's own country says:

      01:43pm | 03/12/10

      WOW! ! ! ! ! TChong, that Wh@cky weed you’re smoking must be strong stuff! ! Mental health in SA (& probably the rest of Oz) is one stuff up after another. What is promised & what is delivered are two totally different animals. The staff on the coal face are angry because descisions are made by people who rarely if ever see clients. In one case a client that normally has 24hr care that I sent to a government mental health facility because he was a danger to other clients was was released into the public 2 days later, no sorry or anything, he was frightened & distressed. NO, I don’t think putting these emotionally fragile young women into this dangerous area would be good for them. Dare I suggest that you are showing very, very strong misogynistic tendacies

    • Eric says:

      02:14pm | 03/12/10

      Tombowler, what makes you think an unsupported quote from a “mental health professional” is any sort of authority?

    • Reg says:

      07:31am | 04/12/10

      It’s happening again. I support TChong not for any left-wing bias but because I have a son who is affected by such changes. Only then do we get in touch of what the goals really are.

      It is one of maximum freedom of initiative for the individual with the minimum of essential supervision. I agree that some mental health people have their empires to protect but in most cases the threshold of supervision is a very delicate balance that frequently goes a little too far in the either direction. This is something that is evaluated by highly intuitive people and I am impressed by what I have seen ... and even NOT seen. By which I mean that they are not intrusive while being sensitive to the individual situation. The families have a role to play and if there is no family, then the system needs to take this into account along with the degree of impairment of the person.

      One of the serious problems with community is the weight that “normal” people put on appearance. A “normal” looking person may be seriously handicapped leading to problems from the people who are supposedly NOT handicapped. 

      There is always the “threat to themselves or others” argument, but that applies to all sorts of people who are as yet not classified by the system, only by the unqualified people in the street.

    • Kate says:

      08:07am | 03/12/10

      Similar deal here in Victoria - you can get free mental health care for conditions like anorexia, depression, anxiety disorders etc if you are referred by a hospital, until you turn 18. Then you get the care that you can afford to pay for - in a lot of people’s cases, not very much.

    • Liz says:

      08:11am | 03/12/10

      From a consumers’ point of view this is a disgrace.This Government has to go before it kills off any decent services we have in a state where services are already thin on the ground.Shame on you Kevin!!

    • Tom says:

      08:26am | 03/12/10

      I am all for a little child with a broken leg not having to wait 10 hours in a public hospital for pain relief and having the leg set quickly. If this necessitates diverting money away from self absorbed wasters who refuse to eat their dinner, then all power to those people.

      There is no magic pudding, David. Dollars don’t grow on trees so someone has to stand up make the harder resourcing decisions.

    • Sam says:

      08:57am | 03/12/10

      Wow I hope to God you don’t have kids who ever end up with any kind of mental ilness Tom.  Really the ignorance in this statement is just staggering.

    • MelD says:

      09:41am | 03/12/10

      I blame the parents

    • The Badger says:

      10:06am | 03/12/10

      Sam
      Is obesity a mental illness?
      Stuffing your face with fast food until you are about to burst - is that a mental illness?

      just asking?

    • Tom says:

      10:08am | 03/12/10

      @ Sam, don’t pontificate. I hope to God you never have a little child wait for 10 hours in a public hospital screaming in pain.

      You are the ignorant one.

    • Davida says:

      10:30am | 03/12/10

      @Tom,
      These “self absorbed wasters” have an ILLNESS.  You trivialise it into a “lifestyle choice”.  Hell, why not go the full hog and prioritise treatment for “a little child with a broken leg”  according to “lifestyle choice” as well.  Disobedient children, kids who take risks, kids rough-housing, unsupervised children perhaps should be forced to wait longer than those who do not contribute to their own breaks.  Dollars don’t grow on trees, so why treat children falling out of them as a consequence of “lifestyle choice” either?

    • MarK says:

      10:38am | 03/12/10

      It can be Badger. Yes.

      Overeating/undereating is a symptom of mental illness.

      I know it personally.

    • MelD says:

      11:23am | 03/12/10

      overeating/undereating may be an illness but for the most part self inflicted, it’s not a mental illness like sociopath or paranoid schizophrenia where the patients can’t help it.

      these young girls and boys have created their own body image in their heads and don’t see anything else, maybe if their parents had seen the signs they could have stepped in and obesity is not an illness it’s fat lazy people wanting an excuse not to get off their lard butts and do something about it

    • Davida says:

      12:09pm | 03/12/10

      @MelD,
      “Overeating/undereating may be an illness but for the most part self inflicted”............the issue with this kind of call rests with the term “self inflicted”.  What qualifies as “self inflicted” , who gets to make that call and how are they ranked? 
      Should a fair-skinned person be denied melanoma treatment for “self inflicted” sun exposure?  Should a vehicular accident victim be denied treatment for injuries “self inflicted” as a result of driving?  Should a parachutist/motorcross rider/rodeo clown be denied treatment for injuries “self inflicted” in the pursuit of adrenalin-charged pursuits? 
      It’s easy to look at the actions of others and make a generalised call.  They are not me, they are at fault.
      Hell, I hope we never require treatment for our “self inflicted” RSI/ Carpal Tunnel/failing eyesight resulting from too much time contributing to online forums.  There will be no sympathy apparently.

    • Sam says:

      01:28pm | 03/12/10

      Actually MelD there is a whole lot more that goes into it than just “body image” I know that term is usually thrown around a lot when discussing eating disorders but it’s a bit lazy to assume that’s all it’s about.

      People with anorexia sometimes also suffer with OCD or personality disorders or have come from an abusive backround and use it as a means of having something they alone can control. Hence my comment to Tom about being ignorant, the reason why there are very few centres or funds that go into helping to cure these people is the issue itself is so often misunderstood by the larger community.

    • marley says:

      09:09am | 03/12/10

      Just out of curiosity, what happens to anorexic boys?  I know there aren’t as many of them, but there are some.  Where do they go for treatment?

    • Jube says:

      09:57am | 03/12/10

      About the same as what happens to male domestic abuse victimes (amusingly greater in number than their counterparts).

    • Tom says:

      10:11am | 03/12/10

      Quite simple, they get a clip over the ear and then they get told to eat their bloody dinner.

    • Graeme says:

      10:53am | 03/12/10

      Same place, just nowhere near as many seeking treatment

    • L.B.Loveday says:

      10:23am | 03/12/10

      There is only so much our outrageously high taxes can pay for. Give them advice, some food and instructions on how to eat it and send them on their way.

      It’s a self-incurred illness, if it is an illness; let them cure themselves. Callous? Then pay more taxes - the ATO will accept donations.

    • Jayne says:

      12:06pm | 03/12/10

      Read some literature on eating disorders and speak to some people who have sufferred them before you make this obviously ignorant and old fashioned assumption.

    • KH says:

      10:51am | 03/12/10

      As usual, the insecure men who think everyone is against them come out of the woodwork for a story like this one.

      Eating disorders are a terrible blight on all who suffer them - but they can be treated, and the sufferers go on to live normal lives.  Overwhelmingly, these people are women.  Yes, there are men who also get treated in the same facilities (for the record), but mostly it is women and girls.  There is far more pressure on women/girls to be ‘thin’ than there is on men, and this is a big part of the problem.  Men tend to do different things like over-exercising, which also isn’t healthy, but is less likely to kill them.  Anyway, that aside, there is a treatment - an intensive, specific treatment, that is successful more often than not.  These people are harming themselves in a non violent, non threatening way - they are hardly a danger to others.

      Psychiatric illnesses such as schizophrenia, on the other hand, are incurable.  Admissions only occur when the person has lost control of their medication or has an onset of an illness, or when the person has become dangerous - to themselves or others.  It is mostly a last resort.  Of course there are other illnesses too, but more often than not, these people have no control over their behaviour, no inhibitions, and no ability to make any judgements about right and wrong.  I have friends who work as nurses in wards like this - from what I have heard over the years, all the patients can be violent, but the male ones tend to be violent more often, and being much bigger and stronger can be a real problem to deal with.  They also use sexual violence far more often - and normally this is against women.  All of them can be affected by drugs or alcohol, and all of them can really cause someone else some harm.  The wards are understaffed, and the staff that are there can’t be everywhere at once. 

      These places aren’t for anyone who doesn’t need to be there - let alone a 16 year old who weighs 35kg and is near death.  I would have thought that was just obvious.

    • Graeme says:

      11:03am | 03/12/10

      An excellent summary of the scenario. I would wager that the bureaucrats would make this kind of decision are older men who never never had anyone go through the pain that this disease (yes, it is a disease!)  causes parents and the rest of the family of the sufferers.
      Well done, KH!

    • Robert Smissen, rural SA, God's own country says:

      01:50pm | 03/12/10

      Strangely enough Graeme, you’ll find women who don’t suffer a diorder are Harsher on women than men

    • Eric says:

      02:18pm | 03/12/10

      Ho hum, another feminist trying to use shaming tactics to justify misandry.

    • Reg says:

      07:51am | 04/12/10

      Oh Eric, just when I was beginning to think you’d become a sensitive new age guy.  A recidivist sexist?  Surely noy, such a shame. The only problem I ever had in a mixed ward was from from the woman across the way who wouldn’t shut up about her chats with Jesus. Bearable at 2pm but rarely at 2 am.  Perhaps we need a special ward for this group so they can talk at each other all night and day. Mixed I mean. Now that I think about it, perhaps the hospital was using me as therapy for the poor woman, that’s the trouble with we listeners.

    • Tom says:

      11:12am | 03/12/10

      @ Graeme. OK fella, you don’t like their decisions. Who are you going to take money off? Easy to criticise and throw in a weak, lazy stereo-type.

      Who are you going to take money off?  Come on, Mr Armchair Compassionate. Who?

    • MarK says:

      11:24am | 03/12/10

      Hmmm.

      Lets open up Nauru. Do the we will send you back to a camp if you by boat but take 1 and a bit from the camp in return.

      Save some (well LOTS of) millions that way. Then get a federal grant.

      All Rann has to do is go to Gillard and make it so.

      How about that? No more 5000+ people in detention. No hunger strikes, escapes, brawls, lip sewing and mutilations.

      Let’s ask Burnside what he thinks of sending people that come by boat back to a UN camp but actually taking more from the camp that you resettle. Would put those incarnations of evil the people smuggler out of business quick smart that.

    • Tom says:

      11:56am | 03/12/10

      @ Mark, love your blogs. However, let’s not stray from the real question, the health dollar.

      As Jane Wallace says “only 42 million dollars was spent to obtain just one vote at world cup vote 2022.” Then there is $43 billion (give or take a few lazy billion) just to satisfy Conroy’s lust for a political victory.

      However, its Sophie’s Choice time, guys. Forget Burnside and Nauru for a tick. Which health dollar gets cut? Who makes the choice?

    • Jayne says:

      12:08pm | 03/12/10

      It’s not taking the money off someone else, it’s leaving the money where it was.

    • CL Angus says:

      12:18pm | 03/12/10

      MarK, how do asylum seekers have ANYTHING to do with the debate about specialised care facilities for eating disorder victims?

      It’s totally irrelevant, and even if the government did try to open up Nauru there would be no savings as a result. In fact, taxpayers would end up paying more and so the government would be MORE likely to cut funding to essential services like health.

      Leave the important issues to those who can do basic maths please…

    • Tom says:

      01:10pm | 03/12/10

      @ Jane, you just lose 3 credibility points for your evasive response.

      Who is going to remain poorly funded in the health system so these people can preserve their status quo? The child with the broken leg who has to wait 10 hours in emergency? The 80 year old with shingles who needs a walking frame?

      Who goes without Jane? Pick one, there aren’t enough dollars to go around. You don’t like making Sophie’s Choice do you Jane?

      Health bureaucrats are faced with this every day.

    • MarK says:

      01:16pm | 03/12/10

      I agree with all above me actually.

      But please forgive me. Tom asked a question designed to paint people into a corner. I don’t believe anything should be taken away from this obviously fine institution. I think it is a great idea to have such a place that has a narrow focus on a subsection of mental illness that can be treated quite effectively and obviously gets good results. The skill sets of the people in the unit would obviously be huge.

      I was merely finding something, anything to diffuse the argument of Tom. Should we chase World Cup soccer bids vs funding this. Not in a million years if there was a choice. I was merely tossing up one example of ongoing waste that could be stopped. We could add lots of other programmes into the mix as well.

      Penbo’s story is a bit lacking on the reasons for the closure apart from some bureaucratic crap about saving a few bucks from integration it seems. If this is so it is a travesty.

      I really do not want these type of centres closed. I have spent many months in them myself. They are great. Only reason I am alive is becasue of centres like this.

      I am with Jayne. Money should not have been taken away. It appears petty. I was merely answering the question.

      @ CL Angus.

      Maths.Ok.

      Here is a number for yah champion

      4

      You se that. that is the number of people that were in offshore detention when the Howard government left office.

      4

      If you think a full Christmas Island, the remodifications and reopening of military bases to transport people from there to the mainland is cheaper than what it was under TPV’s etc etc etc good luck to you mate.

      http://www.immi.gov.au/managing-australias-borders/detention/_pdf/immigration-detention-statistics-20101015.pdf

      there ya go boss knock yourself out

      Oh and asylumn seekers have NOTHING to do mental health facilities.

      NOTHING

      If you had read the op and seen my answer to Tom’s question I am sure the reason behind what I had written would have become obvious

    • Jayne says:

      01:24pm | 03/12/10

      I don’t know who this ‘Jane’ you’re talking to is?

      My answer wasn’t evasive, it was correcting you. Keeping this institution running isn’t TAKING money away from someone else. You’re right, it is keeping it away from someone else but do you know anything about this institution? About eating disorders? Are you an expert on the topic or have you read any literature on it? Have you ever spoken to someone with an eating disorder about the genuine illness they have and the amount that they suffer? You obviously haven’t because you wouldn’t be referring to an eating disorder as ‘preserving their status quo’.

      Why does the kid with the broken leg deserve the money more than the little girl with the broken mind? And how do you know the money is being funnelled towards something more worthwhile?

    • Tom says:

      02:29pm | 03/12/10

      @ Jayne, my apologies for spelling your name wrong. No offence intended.

      No, I am not an expert in the world you describe. Mental disorders are hugely complex. However, you are probably not an expert in removing people’s appendixes.

      I am not saying the child with the broken leg deserves it more than these people. You, on the other hand seem to be saying that your people deserve it more than the child with the broken leg.

      You aced it in your last paragraph. Resourcing. Who “deserves” to go without? Villifying the bureacrat who has to make those decisions is plain immature. It is Sophie’s choice.

    • marley says:

      12:56pm | 04/12/10

      I guess the question is, Tom, if this move is being done to save money, where is that saved money going?  If its going into more urgent health requirements, fine.  If it’s going into raising the salaries of health bureaucrats, or if it’s going outside the health system entirely and paying for writers’ conferences or international sporting events, well, that’s not so fine.

      I don’t know how much this center costs to run in a year, but I’m willing to bet that sheer wastage of government funds elsewhere would in fact cover the running costs.  It shouldn’t be a Sophie’s choice (or even a Hobson’s one) when serious health issues, be it a broken leg or severe anorexia, are concerned.  They both should be covered.

    • Tom says:

      06:03pm | 05/12/10

      I agree with your point Marley. The health budget is not all about front line activities such as this worthy institution. It should be.

      However, health bureacracy gets first bite at the budget and billions are diverted into caucusing and junketing before it even gets out there. Let alone $42 million for the “beautiful” people to get their snouts in the trough at FIFA.

    • jane wallace says:

      11:38am | 03/12/10

      only 42 million dollars was spent to obtain just one vote at world cup vote 2022.
      The winner Qatar has to fit 12 different footbal fields into a country smaller than Hyde Park or Queens Park or Centennial Park!

    • jane wallace says:

      11:42am | 03/12/10

      in capitalism,
      banks and governments supply all their money to failures for the rich and then apply successful cost cutting for the poor

    • Steph says:

      12:41pm | 05/12/10

      While we have a welfare system in place (and a thriving one at that), we’re not Capitalist. I hardly feel the rich are paying for the rich when my taxes go towards some single mothers cigarettes.

    • Rossco says:

      11:45am | 03/12/10

      I do feel that the male mental patients mentioned in this article are vilified as potential rapists.

      Is this not something that if they did have to share the same facility, that security guards and some security system wouldnt solve? Not to be naive, but will there really be a flood of sexual assaults. Does anyone have any data on the number of sexual assaults that occur in mental health facilities and hospitals? It would be interesting to know.

    • TChong says:

      12:04pm | 03/12/10

      Dont have data, but most of the men in mental health units are there because they require help, the same as women.
      They are not the violent type that this article, and many ignorant bloggers infer., mostly the poor guys are subdued , introverted etc, as any one would be.
      Violent sexual offenders are in the correctional health system.
      Mental Health Units are not anarchic hell hole gaols many luridly imagine.
      Agree Rossco the villification of these men from unknown sources, and some bloggers is appalliing.

    • Jayne says:

      12:30pm | 03/12/10

      I felt it was more an implication on how safe the young women would feel and the general atmosphere of a mental hosptial that houses potentially dangerous men. I know that as a young woman I would feel nervous being surrounded by grown men that have a mental illness. I am educated about mental illness, and I try to be an unprejudice person but unfortunately I would instinctly feel unsafe.

    • hot tub political machine says:

      12:59pm | 03/12/10

      Taking Gender out of it. Surely its always questionable when you have minors in accomodation with unrelated adults.

    • kyzz says:

      01:00pm | 03/12/10

      @ agree with Rosso & TChong. Jayne people with a serious mental illness (requiring hospitalisation) are far more likely to be victims of crime than perpetrators. Violence is extremely rare even among those hospitalised. I work in a mental health field and with a drop in centre. I regularly have contact with people who are very unwell who visit the organisation during the day and return to the ward at night.  I have never felt threatened by the men who visit our centre.

      Jayne your statement is indicative of the severe stigma attached to people who experience mental illness.

    • hot tub political machine says:

      01:20pm | 03/12/10

      Rossco - we do have stats about sexual assualt in care facilities but they are unfortunately a few decades old - pre police check screening for staff ect - I don’t think much is around for modern times.

    • Jayne says:

      02:16pm | 03/12/10

      Never did I say that there was likely to be violence or that there is a high rate of violence among people with mental illness. I said potentially dangerous, and I would feel more unsafe in any environment sleeping and sharing living quarters with men who I don’t know than I would in an area specially designed for women. Facts or numbers on the likelyhood of violence occuring would be unlikely to calm a nervous 18 year old girl who is in a strange place and surrounded by strange men.

    • Reg says:

      08:09am | 04/12/10

      Jayne, sorry to be so blunt…oops… but the incidence of severe erectile dysfunction is a characteristic of most of the medication used in this field. The need to be valued remains, but is usually mis-understood.

    • A Bob says:

      12:04pm | 03/12/10

      Some of the responses to this article highlight another mental health crisis in the community that is currently lacking an official diagnosis or any efforts at treatment.

      It is called Enlarged Douchal Lobe Syndrome and is reaching plague proportions. One reason for the lack of a diagnosis is that it can be confused with Tourette’s Syndrome. However, EDLS is distinguished by outbursts of phrases like “not my taxes!” rather than obscenities and a pervading sense of paranoia that they are always missing out no matter how well off their circumstances.

    • Redeker Plan says:

      12:16pm | 03/12/10

      I tips me hat to you sir. Well done.  I’ve noticed this syndrome myself, and it’s reaching global pandemic proportions.

    • hot tub political machine says:

      12:53pm | 03/12/10

      I reckon it’s time someone entered comments that are blantanty - I mean*blatanantly* parochial regardless of the topic into SPSS. I reckon we would find a connection between them and rates of EDLS that are statistically significant.

    • A Bob says:

      02:38pm | 03/12/10

      In advanced cases of EDLS there also appears to be a delusional element. Outbursts of “fact!” are frequently appended to nonsensical assertions. It has been found that the sufferer of EDLS actually believes that this word has the power to distort reality to comply with their point of view.

      As little research has been done into EDLS no treatments currently exist. However, it has been observed that sudden, traumatic life changing experiences can cause major shrinkage of the Douchal Lobe and less delusional behaviour. Workers in the field have come to refer to this phenomenon as “getting a clue”.

      It is unlikely that major investment into EDLS treatments will occur until big pharma finds a means of administering a clue in tablet form.

    • hot tub political machine says:

      02:54pm | 03/12/10

      “It has been found that the sufferer of EDLS actually believes that this word has the power to distort reality to comply with their point of view”

      ...Can I nominate this for not just the nosebleed section, but nosebleed section of the year or some such

    • Waz says:

      01:00pm | 03/12/10

      Tom waiting to get your your leg set isn’t going to kill you. But not eating will. Before your write such crap read up up on what an eating disorder is about and what it can do to you. A clip over the ear won’t help when your mind is telling you not to eat or if you do then throw it all up. Until you have experienced it you don’t know what hell is like…..

    • Jade says:

      01:40pm | 03/12/10

      Waiting as a young child to have your leg set can cause disability, and mean that the child in question may have to suffer further to have their leg rebroken and reset as the bones have started to heal crooked. Furthermore it can also cause blood poisoning or infections which can actually lead to death.

      Note: I don’t disagree that eating disorders are a real mental illness which requires specialised treatment. But I would like to correct any misunderstandings about the seriousness of broken limbs.

    • Tom says:

      11:42am | 04/12/10

      Waz, at the risk of further inflaming you, anorexia is a post modern “disease” belonging to wealthy countries with cossetted, bored, brattish children.

      Poor countries don’t have this sort of thing. Their population have real things to worry about rather than “body image”, whether “daddy didn’t buy me a pony” or “I am not cool because no-one contacts me on Facebook” or “Mum doesn’t understand me, so I am going to do drugs”.

    • Jade says:

      01:44pm | 03/12/10

      For all those suggesting that anorexia is self-induced and therefore not a “real” mental illness, but that schizophrenia is, how do you feel about those schizophrenics who cause their own mental illness through drug abuse?

      If you read up on the subject you will learn that anorexia in particular shares numerous characteristics with schizophrenia and other disorders that create delusions. Food has very, very little to do with anorexia and forcing them to eat does nothing to fix their illness. In fact many sufferers undergo a cycle where they enter hospital to gain weight, then once they are at the minimum weight that the hospital is required to release them, they simply stop eating again to lose it until their next hospitalisation.

    • Robert Smissen, rural SA, God's own country says:

      01:56pm | 03/12/10

      What if a few vulnerable women are disadvantaged, SA will retain its AAA credit rating, that’s what is important.

    • Tom says:

      03:36pm | 03/12/10

      What an infantile statement, Robert. Poor countries are helpless to protect their women and other weak members of their society. Try living in one. To imply that the two are mutually exclusive is close to moronic.

    • Reg says:

      08:21am | 04/12/10

      Bobby is using sarcasm again, he’s not really a clown he’s just embarrassed to say what he really means because it reflects poorly on the faux liberal agenda of squeezing out the under-privileged.

    • SKFP says:

      09:08pm | 03/12/10

      Those of you have with too much time on your hands to stray from the crux of the discussion clearly just don’t get it! Eating disorders have the highest mortality rate of all mental illness - people are not only suffering from a severe mental illness - they can die!!  A person does not choose an eating disorder and it is not the result of reading too many magazines and buying into the body image media sales pitch. Eating disorders are both a physical and mental illness and require different treatment from what is being offered at the Margaret Tobin facility. It is best to leave your commenting to something that you have half an idea about - otherwise your comments are best left unsaid.

    • Tom says:

      02:58pm | 04/12/10

      Thanks professor for sharing with us your belief that our comments are best left unsaid. On the other hand, ...

    • Elisa says:

      03:17pm | 04/12/10

      The South Australia you remember doesn’t exist anymore. 

      There are conservative blasts from two fronts; the cashed-up bogans who are desperate to stake their place by voting Liberal and being offensively nasty about the government funding anything that doesn’t benefit them directly (because that’s tax breaks, not charity),and the more traditionally comfortable and wealthy who are offended by the bogans storming the barricades, and so are leaning to conservatism based on traditional social class structures.  That was a really long sentence, sorry.

      It has become a truly awful place.  A country town that thinks it is better than it is.

    • Mallee says:

      07:37pm | 05/12/10

      Maybe you should leave.

    • sam says:

      10:39am | 05/12/10

      my eating disorder started through no fault of my own.i recieved a massive electric shock at work.the aftermath of it was 2yrs seeing a phsycologist and a very bad eating disorder.you have to walk in the shoes of a anorexic before you pass judgement.yes it is a mental illness and it is lying dorment in the brain just waiting for something to happen in your life to trigger it.it took years for me to get some sort of apetite back and even now i have days when i cant believe how bad the disorder was so i will say to all of you who have passed anorexia of as drivel repeat after me .there but for the grace of god go i.and just hope you never have to.

    • Daniel C says:

      08:30am | 15/12/10

      The comments posted here seem to struggle with the concept that asking for particular resources and conditions to treat certain mental illnesses is somehow controversial. I read comments claiming that this is similar to racism or it is about vilifying male patients or those with a psychotic illness. These views are utter rubbish. Medicine treats some conditions in isolation rooms, some with sharp blades in a clean surgical theaters, some with radiation, some with leaches! We could make all sorts of hysterical comments about these methods, but is a lot easier to be hysterical and manipulate the simple truth around mental illness. Different mental illnesses require different treatment approaches – end of story.
      What we have is a group of professionals, patients and the community speaking out about clear and present dangers with government policy. If it wasn’t a problem they would just get on with treating and being treated. Shall we listen and congratulate David Pemberthy for helping us hear?

    • Aaron Fornarino says:

      07:46pm | 11/01/11

      I cannot believe some of the inane comments on here. Some of you guys really have no clue. Clinical risk factors such as sexual assault and violence are there whether you believe it or not. Furthermore, who cares if a few teenagers die because of inadequate services at the Women’s & Children’s Hospital. What a bunch of uninformed readers.

 

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