We can vote, work and get an education. We can give birth or make the considered choice not to. We can marry, get divorced, have a public voice and write under our own names.

We've come a long way, but we've got new goals. Illustration: Nicholson.

Compared with the lives of many women that marched through the streets of New York City in 1908, planting the seeds for the first ever International Women’s Day, we’re living in another dimension. 

So what are we celebrating more than one hundred years later? And what are the real issues affecting the majority of Australian women today? Here’s what you, our readers, said yesterday.

1. Women are worried about the cost of living

Deciding who gets to stay home and who gets to go back to work after the birth of a child in our economic climate comes down to one thing: earning capacity. And it’s different for every woman. 

Ree at 10:41am:
I agree you should be able to leave your job for a period to raise your children and that it is the responsible thing for either parent to do for a period of time. However, do not then complain about your lack of super or the fact that you are not on the same wage as the girl that used to sit next to you when you left while she continued to work.Time out of the workforce will cause economic disadvantage and you and your partner will just have to suck it up and deal with the consequences of your decisions.

While for other women, financial security has given them the freedom to take another direction in life: 

Melly, 10:20am:  Guess what? I have a career and I am thinking of giving it up to raise children. It seems to me that every couple who keeps their careers going while raising kids struggles as they are basically doing three jobs between two people. Luckily for us we will be financially stable on one income. I only wish some of my girlfriends had this option, but buying a house is so expensive that they now have to return to work.

2. Women feel guilty. No matter what direction their lives had taken, the general sentiment among readers was that they often felt as if they should be doing more.

Rebecca 08:02am says: My husband stayed at home with our first child and I went and worked full time to build my career. Eight years later we are doing the reverse. I am working part time and staying home with our second child. Looking back I wish I had worked full time, but on the other hand I loved my job for all those years. While all of this highlights that these decisions are never easy, I often feel I am betraying feminism in loving what I am doing now. But I no longer work with any women who didn’t work part time at sometime after having their children and in the female-dominated workplace of teaching that is significant and very different from what was going on almost a decade ago. And for many women it’s a pressure they feel comes from other women. 

Catherine, 09:45am says: At work, at home, at the school gate, the level of judgement I find amongst and between women is oppressive, corrosive and just plain tiresome. Stop the comparing, the assessment and the fear that what you’re thinking, doing, wearing, or eating is wrong or isn’t quite up to scratch. Stop comparing your mothering skills. Stop the neurosis about your children and the helicopter parenting. Give yourself (and your children) a break! Stop judging and just be. Breathe!!!!

3. Although grateful for the work that was done before them, women no longer completely identify with the 1970’s feminist ideal

Catching up, 9:33am: Being a feminist means that you recognise that woman are not equal in this society.  Much has improved but there is a long way to go, to get the message across, that woman are equal to men, not superior or inferior.My own belief that being a feminist means that I am not put on this earth to serve men. 

The biggest fight we have is to get men to acknowledge this. Being a feminist does not mean that you cannot be a mother but the recognition that children also have a father who is equally responsible for raising the child. Being a woman does not mean your life should be any more controlled by rearing children than a man is. Being a woman means that you decide how you will live your life, not a husband or father, the same as men do.

Being a woman is being able to use the skills and abilities you have to the highest degree, not sacrificed to serving men.  Women are quite capable of caring for themselves, so are men.  As my father used to say, if a man cannot prepare a meal, he deserves to go hungry. 

Sky, 07:47am: You say we have choice? I say there is no choice, if you want to eat, with a roof over your head, with clothes on your back…  You have to work (male or female). I asked the question - What family can live on one wage, where is that choice?

4. Domestic violence is seen as an issue for both sexes

Sally 8:56am: Nobody is saying men are not victims of violence and abuse. They are, usually at the hands of other men. Women and girls on the other hand are usually the victims of violence at the hands of men, the violence is more likely to result in serious injury or death and they are more often the victims of sexual violence, one of the most harmful and damaging forms of violence that there is.

As for men being more likely to participate and be harmed by war and other dangerous jobs. If you look at history and the state of the world today, it’s violent men who are the cause of war, men most often instigate war. Also, women have traditionally been excluded from participating in war and other dangerous ‘male’ jobs precisely because of men’s discrimination! You can’t have it both ways.

Men also never mention the harm, violence and abuse that is routinely inflicted by men on millions of women and girls in war, ie. forced prostituion, sexual assault, mass rape, torture and murder. There are no marches and memorials for those women.  I reiterate, nobody is suggesting that men are never victims of violence or that women never commit violence against men. But the evidence points to a serious, enduring and pervasive problem with male violence. If you want to get defensive and go into denial about it then the problem will persist, to your detriment as well as to the detriment of women and girls for the simple fact that you are much more likely to be assaulted or murdered at the hands of another man.

Dave Sag, 09:35am: Violence is a problem in our society, I think we can all agree on that; and the data suggests that violence against women by their partners is simply nastier, more damaging, and a much greater part of the problem.  Women may freeze a man out, or throw something at him, whereas, the data suggests, men will break their partner’s jaw or fracture a skull. Or burn her to death for her inheritance in the case of India. 

Here in Australia, we can take comfort in being one of the countries with relatively low rates of domestic violence compared to, say, India, Pakistan or South Africa.  But we can work harder to be better.

5. Women in Australia are worried about the progress of women living in developing nations

Angela, 10:36am says: It is well past time we stopped pushing political correctness and started doing something about the real injustices in the world.  If we put as much effort into combating the things mentioned in this article (not to mention the multitude for which there was no space) as we put into arguments about numbers of female MPs or the proportioning of housework, we could really do some good in the world.

Jess 09:40am:  It once again reminds me of the power of women and how we still have a long way to go before all women are valued and treated as precious. 

*Sally and Dave Sag’s comments were shortened. If you’re interested in the full text, you can find it here: There’s no such thing as “just” a domestic dispute.

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    • Erick says:

      04:58am | 09/03/11

      Comparing this sample with the actual comment threads in question tells us a lot about how news reporting works.

    • acotrel says:

      06:31am | 09/03/11

      @Mel ‘Guess what? I have a career and I am thinking of giving it up to raise children. It seems to me that every couple who keeps their careers going while raising kids struggles as they are basically doing three jobs between two people.’

      Then you’ll be able to take the kids out for dinner to a swanky restaurant, and annoy the other customers?

    • Warren says:

      06:35am | 09/03/11

      Erick fame at last! You’ve been mentioned in a *rival* blog. And its even flattering (well sort of).

    • malohi says:

      08:46am | 09/03/11

      I agree. Not necessarily with the points you made yesterday.
      But certainly with this one.

      The sample of comments in this article do not in any way reflect the main discussions yesterday.

    • Erick says:

      12:28pm | 09/03/11

      G’Day, Lucy. Seems my answer to your question didn’t pass The Punch’s strict quality control standards. Oh well.

    • Lucy Kippist

      Lucy Kippist says:

      05:33am | 09/03/11

      Morning Erick, not sure what you’re getting at there (but it’s early, so…). Only two comments were shortened, the rest have been taken straight from the site.

    • Ben says:

      04:37pm | 09/03/11

      I think Erick is intimating there may have been a sampling error or even sampling bias. You can select comments from this or any blog in order to construct whatever preconceived narrative you choose. Not saying necessarily I agree with Erick…..

    • mike j says:

      07:11pm | 09/03/11

      But not saying you don’t, either? Tell us what you really think, Ben, and get that fence post out of your arse.

      You obviously have a brain, so you know that Erick’s intimation is just rendition of observable fact. Perhaps you are hesitant to tell Lucy this because she is a fragile, emotional female?

    • TChong says:

      06:07am | 09/03/11

      The views are formed by self interest and ultrism, by local and global issues,  reality and idealism, just the same as men.
      Women and men are as good , and bad as each other.
      Big deal.

    • acotrel says:

      06:35am | 09/03/11

      In our home we share the work equally between my wife and myself.  We have a true democracy.  And as in any democracy, we must recognise that there are experts, and those who are always wrong.  I know my place!

    • TChong says:

      07:36am | 09/03/11

      Acotrel :You share things evenly , too ? Well done comrade.
      Its a sad fact , that it is only having a progressive outlook at life, that true equality occurs.
      Something the far of right Punchers just dont seem to get.
                                        wink

    • BK says:

      06:14pm | 09/03/11

      It actually is a big deal that you are prepared to acknowledge that men and women can be as good and bad as each other. For years, we were assured that women were intrinsically more caring and humble than men. It was only after alot of brave people wouldn’t stand for this type of stereotyping, before it was acknowledged that both genders are as good and bad as each other.

    • mary says:

      06:23am | 09/03/11

      Thanks Lucy, that sums it up nicely. Puts a lot in perspective to read a collection of well thought out comments and feelings. I admit that at times I get side tracked by trolls. Nice to see people staying focussed and on the subject. Thank you.

    • Jugg says:

      06:41am | 09/03/11

      So if you have a different opinion, you are a troll?  Maybe women in the 1970’s were just trolls then?

    • Love Family Life says:

      09:55pm | 09/03/11

      Why is there such a fight between the two sexes.  Both should be amplifying awareness of all illnesses.  All cancers are terrible.  Why try and outdo each other on which is the most severe.  I sincerely hope everyone gets over the problem of contesting.  There is no contest.  We need to work together to try and gage awareness for everybody especially if you have the platform to do so. Prostate cancer is as much a killer as breast cancer.  Exposing your prostate is not as easy as exposing your breast.  It is much the same as rectal cancer as this is not a subject most people probably don’t want to discuss.  It however srikes both men and women.  Lucy I understand your intentions, however why can’t we focus on cancer as a whole.  There are so many different types every day of the year would be taken up with one form or another. On the whole they all probably involve diagnosis, surgery, chemotherapy, radiotherapy cure or eventual passing of life.  It is my opinion only and I don’t want to create any arguments.

    • Ray says:

      07:28am | 09/03/11

      Well Lucy you failed the litmus test

      What did MEN say.

      Once again women so consumed in their own space they forgot men have an opinion as well.

      In my case not very complimentary for that precise reason

    • Lucy Kippist

      Lucy Kippist says:

      08:02am | 09/03/11

      Actually Ray, men had a lot to say on all four pieces yesterday - you should read them. My intention wasn’t to exclude men but to highlight the “real” issues affecting Aussie women, not just those driven by agenda. That to me is the point of IWD.

    • Ray says:

      08:15am | 09/03/11

      I read ‘em Lucy, and wrote some of them.

      Just can’t get away from women wrapped up in their own indulgence.

      It is long overdue that men’s issues be included in public debate.

      Women have exclusively overtaken social indulgence at the exclusion of men, with a hell bent purpose to keep it that way.

      Because of the way women hold society to ransome and covet the exclusion of men, I don’t give a flying fig what they do, think or what happens to them.

      Women have chosen their divisive path and can stick with it.

      For example if we need Ministries for anyone, we need them for people not WOMEN. Also there is a lot of legislation that needs an overhaul because of gender specifity.

      You chose to exclude the critical men’s comment which is symptomatic of the problem. In fact it IS the problem.

    • Jugg says:

      08:36am | 09/03/11

      Is the way some males perceive IWD not an issue affecting women?  I would think that this should be the primary issue.  Nothing affects the concept of IWD more than the inherent gender imbalance it promotes.

    • Sarah says:

      01:33pm | 09/03/11

      If you really feel that way Ray then why don’t you actually do something about it and go and and advocate for men’s issues the way women have done for things like breast cancer research. No one is going to take you seriously if all you do is sit online and whinge about how no one is out there campaigning for men’s rights. Practise what you preach, why should women sit here and complain about how men have it so tough?

    • Markus says:

      02:36pm | 09/03/11

      Are you serious Sarah?
      Look how badly guys like Ray and Erick get abused for even daring to raise the topics on a site of mostly (supposedly) well educated people.

      Even in the unlikely event that he does manage to get his issues raised in the mainstream media, do you think the end result would be any different?

    • Sarah says:

      03:13pm | 09/03/11

      Yes Markus I do. There’s a difference between actually raising issues and complaining about issues not being raised. I think if someone was genuinely concerned about something and they pushed it into mainstream media, people would listen. Look at organisations like Youngcare, that was something that was campaigned for really strongly and people payed attention even though it’s dealing with full time care for people under 65, which is an issue which has just been swept under the carpet for so many years.

    • Matthew says:

      03:19pm | 09/03/11

      Hey Sarah, Breast cancer is not the most common form of cancer around.  But gets more funding than the rest combined.

      Bowel cancer is the most common, unfortunately it affects males too and the number of females affected is less than the number of females affected by breast cancer so guess which gets the money.

    • LauraBoBaura says:

      03:49pm | 09/03/11

      Markus - I don’t think that the majority of women would scream down calls for awareness of men’s health issues as sexism, do you? Most of the women I know, (I’d like to say myself included) are pretty balanced, and see men’s issues as just as important as women’s issues, we all have husbands, boyfriends, fathers, brothers etc etc..

      I think the argument that women don’t care about men’s issues as disengenuous, and franky pretty offensive.

    • Erick says:

      03:50pm | 09/03/11

      First they ignore you
      Then they laugh at you
      Then they fight you
      Then you win.

                  - Mohandas K Gandhi

    • Ray says:

      05:12pm | 09/03/11

      Do you LLB,(find it offensive) Well if the cap fits wear it

    • Chrissy says:

      06:30pm | 09/03/11

      Ray, IWD is a day primarily for women to discuss issues that concern women, whether health, the status of women in countries less fortunate, and areas of our own lives that we feel the need to change. Although I know amongst my group of friends the males were included, I realise this may not be the case everywhere. IWD should not be about blame, but should be supportive of women everywhere.
      By the same token, when International Men’s Day rolls around on Nov 19th, please use the day as you see fit. If that results in the females of your aquaintance being marginalised in discussions for that day, so be it. Just please ensure you make good use of that day when it does occur later in the year.

    • Carly says:

      07:18pm | 09/03/11

      @ Ray

      Lucy can’t post every comment, nor did she claim to. And surely out of all the days women can claim indulgence to talk about women’s issues, International Women’s Day would be it! I really don’t see the issue (on this one day) of posting only women’s views.

      Also, not all women have chosen a divisive path, you’re just being ignorant or deliberately insulting. I’m a woman, and I want equal rights and equal protection for both men and women in any and every aspect, even if that means I’m going to be disadvantaged. It only seems fair.

      @ Matthew
      So campaign for it! Set up a website, ask the Punch to write an article and put the focus out there, and get everyone to donate! I’ll donate happily.

    • Dick J says:

      07:33am | 09/03/11

      It would be good to know when such a day will no longer be required. Who decides. Can men have one too? Can we also have a minister.

      I look at the photos and news film of the protests and the fleeing people in the Tunisia & Libya. Not a girl in sight - why?

    • CABAL says:

      09:41am | 09/03/11

      According to google (oh mighty font of all information) International Men’s day is on the 19 of November. It also says that is it widely celebrated in AUS.

      Strange I’ve never heard of it.

    • Markus says:

      12:10pm | 09/03/11

      @CABAL:
      The ‘widely celebrated in AUS’ statement was probably written by one of the people who also claim that ‘every day is International Men’s Day’.

    • Tubesteak says:

      07:49am | 09/03/11

      Ree at 10:41am had something intelligent to say.


      Ultimately, you are responsible for your own choices in life and you must live with the consequences. You can’t have it all. This will mean sacrificing some things in faovur of others.

      If you want the highly paid executive role at a top 100 company then you will have to do all the training necessary, work long hours and prove that you have positive impacts on the bottom line of the company.

      If you want to have children then you need to recognise that you will have to take time out from working, that they are expensive, that many other luxuries in life will have to be sacrificed and that it is a lifelong commitment.

      There is no pay imbalance just a difference in choices leading to different outcomes.

    • marley says:

      08:30am | 09/03/11

      I agree entirely.  And I think it’s important to accept that in some families, both husband and wife will make those kind of choices.  And yes, they will pay a price, but at least their chances of having well-balanced kids will be pretty good.

    • BT says:

      08:35am | 09/03/11

      I think you are missing the point a bit there though. The thing is that traditionally men never had the expectation of raising children that women have had so they made it on to those boards. Their wives did all of that for them. The expectation was that because the woman had the baby, it was her responsibility to do all the child caring alone with the husband being the breadwinner. But today, career women don’t have anyone to take on that carer role for them. That means that there are two “breadwinners” in a family and no carers, unless of course you can afford the expense of childcare. IWD is about challenging those expectations and about saying to society that it needs to adapt in order to afford women the social status that only employment can provide. This impacts on how business operates, namely how business can become more “family friendly” so women are able to participate in the workforce as equals.

    • marley says:

      09:28am | 09/03/11

      @BT - well, maybe, or maybe IWD is about giving those women who want to reach the top the platform to do so but I think even more it’s about giving women who simply want more options available, access to them.  Back in the day, feminism wasn’t about hating men, or imposing quotas, it was about giving women opportunities outside the home, the schoolroom or the steno pool.  Women didn’t necessarily expect to “have it all” - they just wanted a few more interesting options than were available to them 50 years ago. To that extend, women have indeed come a fair old distance. 

      And while “family friendly” workplaces would be a nice thing, the fact is, if you want to hit the top, male or female, you’re going to make sacrifices. You simply will not hit the apex by working a family friendly workweek.  Doesn’t matter whether you’re a man or a woman.

    • Tubesteak says:

      09:41am | 09/03/11

      BT
      I won’t dispute that there was an historical prevalence of men being the breadwinner and women being the carer. That is true. However, if women want career then they either need to give up the idea of parenthood or find a man willing to be a house-husband. You have to make choices and this involves sacrifice.

      You can’t expect companies to be more “family friendly” or else you’ll find compnies will start to hire just men again or else they will become internationally uncompetitive and we’ll all lose. Moreover, it means forcing the entirety of society to fit just one paradigm: that of the family. What about singles or retirees etc?

      Ultimately, it’s up to the individual to make the choices that suit them. Or in some cases, the couple need to determine what suits them.

    • Tim says:

      09:45am | 09/03/11

      BT,
      that’s basically a whinge that the whole world doesn’t revolve around you and your wants.
      Well guess what? HTFU.
      Society shouldn’t adapt for you, you should adapt for society.
      This will involve personal choices and sacrifices. The same ones that men have been making for centuries.
      Welcome to Equality.

    • CABAL says:

      09:49am | 09/03/11

      What the hell. Why do people keep expecting companies to change for their employees? I keep seeing things like ‘inflexible work ours’ and ‘lack of family values’ as reason women don’t succeed in the workplace. Well shit, damn those evil bloody corporations for trying to make a profit and line their shareholders pockets with gold… OHH WAIT that right, that is the sole god damn purpose of every company on the face of the planet.

      People please stop treating profit driven companies like they are anything but that. Because they aren’t and never will be.

    • n_dude says:

      11:54am | 09/03/11

      I agree with Tubsteak here. Unfortuantely women seem to think they should choose partners who can earn more than them. Guess what, that means that the lower earning partner continues working and you still need a parent to take responsibility for the children. BTW I think most men would be happpy to take on that responsibility but it seems to be women who look down upon this as if the man is not worthy enough or does not have balls. IWD is just a platform for women to whinge about their lot when really they cannot make up their minds what they are willing to sacrifice in order to achieve what they want.

    • Markus says:

      12:21pm | 09/03/11

      @BT, glad that other people have already pointed this out.
      Traditionally yes, there was the expectation, which impeded the ability to make any choice beside raising the children.
      With the feminist movement came laws that allowed this choice.

      So while there still may be some expectation of the woman to do a certain role, the choice is there, and enforcable by law.
      How women choose to use this choice is up to them, and it is not up to anyone else, companies especially, to work around their choice.

      Want to be a CEO? Either don’t have kids, or find a husband who will be a primary caregiver. Don’t marry a man with higher career aspirations than yourself, and then expect your company to pay you to work part-time because your husband still wants to further his career.

    • Ree says:

      03:15pm | 09/03/11

      Thanks Tubesteak both your comments in this thread have understood my point perfectly.

    • myne says:

      08:51pm | 09/03/11

      N_dude writes: “BTW I think most men would be happpy to take on that responsibility but it seems to be women who look down upon this as if the man is not worthy enough or does not have balls. “

      Seen how much flack Gillard has copped over her, what was it “Hair product salesman” partner?

      Amazing isn’t it.
      He has been judged as not good enough.
      Well the old saying goes “Behind every great man is a great woman”
      But if it were to be made more politically correct, it would be “Behind every great person is a great partner”

      Perhaps he is a model of the great partner these women should be looking for rather than the funny guy.

    • Unprotected Species says:

      08:30am | 09/03/11

      What women said about women completely focussed on their own subjective world to the exclusion of all others on International It’s All About Me Day. What an article. Can we get five more please?

    • marley says:

      09:31am | 09/03/11

      The topic was International Women’s Day.  What were people supposed to talk about - tigers?  If the topic is real estate prices, we tend to talk about real estate, negative gearing and rent controls, not about prostate cancer and footy results.  Geesh.

    • Sad Sad Reality says:

      09:56am | 09/03/11

      I won’t be holding my breath until I see an article about International Tiger’s Day. Which would be far more entertaining and original than the typical feminist drum beating going on in this tired piece. The Punch has an article about women’s achievements, their pure awesomeness, their defy all the odds and make it anyway in spite of men brilliance every single week. Why would that be? Could it be that without the constant reinforcement and support, a lazy scan of society would reveal that women come up short in almost every way across the board? Better highlight whatever meager achievements we can find, looks like the guys are building another International Space Station.

    • James1 says:

      09:59am | 09/03/11

      “The topic was International Women’s Day.  What were people supposed to talk about - tigers?”

      Apparently, according to Ray and Jugg, we should be talking about men.  Indeed, according to Jugg, the views of men “should be the primary issue” when it comes to IWD.

    • James1 says:

      10:23am | 09/03/11

      “Could it be that without the constant reinforcement and support, a lazy scan of society would reveal that women come up short in almost every way across the board?”

      That may be the case for the women in your life, SSR.  Personally I would never say that about my mother, but I’m sure you have your reasons for feeling that she comes “up short in almost every way”.

    • NicoleG says:

      10:31am | 09/03/11

      Sad Sad Reality, excellent to see that you’re aware of the awesomeness of women. Ha! It seems women frighten you nearly as much as muslims.

    • Sad Sad Reality says:

      10:44am | 09/03/11

      James1 model 1080 Leftbot, do you know what you call a person desperate to shrink every single broad topic of discussion to their own miniscule subjective universe? A woman.

    • Sad Sad Reality says:

      10:46am | 09/03/11

      NG, The only thing that frightens me about women is the lengths they’ll go to to harm themselves with abusive mates.

    • James1 says:

      11:06am | 09/03/11

      Sexist jokes - classy stuff as ever.

      BTW, I have only ever voted for the Liberal Party.  Can’t stand the left - far too disconnected from reality, much like your good self.

    • Sad Sad Reality says:

      11:07am | 09/03/11

      NG, Muslims don’t frighten me. I find endless daily suicide bombings hilarious. But then I have a sick sense of humour.

    • MJ says:

      11:28am | 09/03/11

      Do you know what you call a person desperate to shrink every single broad topic of discussion to their own miniscule subjective universe? A man.

      LOL jk. I don’t really think that way, I made the choice long a go when I was a teenager to percieve each person I meet as an individual and look past arbitary things like gender or race.
      On an unrelated note ‘Sad Sad Reality’ should really just start adding ‘My’ to the start of their screen name, it’d be more accurate.

    • Jugg says:

      11:46am | 09/03/11

      MJ?

      Michael Jackson?

      Is that YOU?

    • James1 says:

      12:06pm | 09/03/11

      “I find endless daily suicide bombings hilarious.”

      Given that it is mostly other Muslims who are killed in Islamist suicide bombings, one would think you would positively ecstatic every time you heard about one.

    • Sad Sad Reality says:

      12:07pm | 09/03/11

      James1 super mega bot, great to see your sensibility settings have be jammed onto super duper high. You might want to get your manufacturer to switch them back to super touchy and, if they have time, insert a spine.

      MJ, what are you doing here? You’ve got a couple billion people to meet personally. Fact is: We all make assumptions about people every day. It’s a robust survival mechanism. When I see a tat covered biker approaching me in a dark alley at four in the morning, I think best head the other way. Similarly, when I see thousands of terrorist actions committed a year by a single religion, I think better keep a close eye on the followers of that religion. And you do too. It’s called being a human being.

    • Ray says:

      12:16pm | 09/03/11

      james1, once again you have REPEATED your light weight comments. Nothing new,. nothing original even to the point of reintroducing ‘mothers’ to the scene.

      The point is that women have conceived the devisivness that is reflected in many comments. Yet they wish to continue, indeed reinforce their exclusivity to preferential treatment.

      FFS today on 1143 AM Newcastle we had discussion on the UN Women’s Group. Can dimwits like you not see that such a group in a supposed world leading group ased on purported egalitarian principles, is absolute sexism in itself.

      I think James that men are very humanitarian in their outlook to women and always have been. It’s a pity the feeling are not reciprocated.

      I also think that what many men are shouting out ,is that respect for women is deteriorating rapidly with women’s hellbent quest for special treatment on the back of some flawed ideology.

      As for Marley, well society NEVER stops talking about women’s issues

      We have further ‘Quota on Women on Boards’ raised today, with the PM weighing in. Why blame the companies. Blame the people that don’t get there. If I don’t get there what reason can I claim.

      Is it the same reason I can’t claim equal time with my kids. Is it the same reason I can’t claim 50% of family assets in separation. Is it the same reason I go to work and 2 jobs are quarantined for ‘women only’ to aid accelerated promotion. Is it why the workplace is festooned with pro female advancement, domestic violence literatures and women only workshops. Is it because I will get torpedoed if I oppose sexism in that form.

      Well done ladies. Many men like me felt and still feel unwelcome in their own workplace. Stay for the family’s sake.

    • James1 says:

      12:18pm | 09/03/11

      And now SSR is back to insults.  Run out of arguments already?  Any thinking person can see you have nothing, and resort very quickly to ad hominem attacks.  Actually, I can see why, given that every other line of attack in your arsenal is faulty in the extreme.  All you have left is name-calling.  How sad.

    • AdamC says:

      12:20pm | 09/03/11

      SSR, I think you were talking about James1’s ‘sensitivity’ setting. Mind you, I like to think mine is set pretty low, but I don’t think nakedly sexist comments like: “Could it be that without the constant reinforcement and support, a lazy scan of society would reveal that women come up short in almost every way across the board?” are offensive and unnecessary.

      I would also be interested in where the women of Australia are coming up short? Cooking your dinner? Cleaning your house? Changing your nappy?

    • James1 says:

      01:08pm | 09/03/11

      Ray, I think it might be more that the women in my life have not treated me as badly as the women in your life.  Sure, you had a bad experience with Mum and during your divorce, but it doesn’t mean all women are like that.

      Please take note, Ray (imagine me saying this very slowly), when you insult all women like that, you are insulting your mother, daughters and wife.  That is why I remind you that your mother, daughters and wife are women when you insult all women.  Until you realise that you are insulting your (and everyone else’s) mother, I will continue to remind you of this.  At least until I get bored of repeating things to people who seem to have trouble understanding such a basic word combination as “all women”.

      Adam, to be fair on SSR I guess I am kind of sensitive, at least if sensitive is synonymous with “likes to debate issues rather than make sexist jokes and insult everyone’s mum”.

    • Sad Sad Reality says:

      01:18pm | 09/03/11

      James1, this apparently isn’t an insult “Given that it is mostly other Muslims who are killed in Islamist suicide bombings, one would think you would positively ecstatic every time you heard about one.” Wow. Quiet time.

      Adam C, I never said I don’t appreciate what women do. I just don’t want to pretend it compares to what men have done, are doing, and will do throughout recorded history. Women are an invaluable support. But virtually eveything you see, hear and think from the time you wake-up to the time you go to bed was created by a man. I think that deserves a little respect every now and then. Perhaps a Male-achievement Appreciation Day?

    • Erick says:

      01:18pm | 09/03/11

      Well said, Ray.

      Women and women’s issues have had the public spotlight for many decades now.

      When will men and men’s issues get a turn?

    • James1 says:

      01:49pm | 09/03/11

      No its a statement of fact.  You have in the past said that Islam is a cancer.  You have said that all Muslims are terrorists, because even though most do not commit terrorist acts, “not every soldier fights on the front line”.  You have expressed a desire to “eradicate” Muslims.  I am just reminding you of what you say - just on The Punch. 

      That is a world away from telling me I am spineless because I disagree with you, and making childish sexist jokes about your own mum.

    • Ray says:

      02:03pm | 09/03/11

      James I’ll be clearer. You’ve cut and pasted your 1.08 pm response from your responses days gone by (recently). You old son are a one dimensional drone.

      For one thing I’m not divorced, had great relationship with my mum and was taught great principles amd wise countenance from both parents.

      I don’t need to defend those issues or dignify your inept literary skills.

      But it is clear to me that you trot out the same ‘cut & paste’ repeatedly and then claim some literary elevation somewhere above transition class level.

      Well what you are doing is a degree of plagiarism. That dumb that you plagiarise yourself. Now that takes a special type of person. Your comments are devoid of any subject matter. Just some ubiquitous claims about people you’ve never met. Great insight that.

      I take that back - just ‘devoid’ instead

    • Sad Sad Reality says:

      02:23pm | 09/03/11

      James1, “one would think” isn’t speculative? Good to know.

      I said Islam is a cancer and it is. It creates havoc and destruction on an unimaginable scale around the world every single day. It is also a religion.

      I never said all Muslims were terrorists. I intimated that all Muslims tacitly support terrorist actions, which they do by refusing to condemn terrorist groups like Hamas. Just try to get an Imam to agree Hamas is a terrorist organisation.

      And I wasn’t joking when I said you needed a spine. Nor was I joking when I implied that you and women everywhere share a singular perspective. Even if I was wetting myself as I typed.

    • LauraBoBaura says:

      02:42pm | 09/03/11

      @Erick - I agree 100%, men’s issues don’t get enough attention. Why is it so hard for men & women to agree on that point without diverging into petty sexism?

    • Wynston Cruso says:

      03:00pm | 09/03/11

      Well James1, as they say “Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslim”. Seriously though, your comments are pretty generic and spineless. It’s ok to have an opinion of your own you know….

    • James1 says:

      03:22pm | 09/03/11

      Ray, you clearly do not know what plagiarism is then.  I cannot plagiarise my own intellectual property, if indeed anonymous comments on a website count as such (they don’t). 

      Furthermore, you really didn’t clarify anything.  Are you saying that the women you know are exempt from your insults?  That when you say “all women” you don’t really mean “all women”?  So you are only insulting everyone else’s mothers?  Classy stuff mate.  You need to be clearer in your written expression before you start questioning the comprehension abilities of others.

      SSR, I don’t think you are a joker because of your insults, I just think you don’t really have any ideas, facts or evidence with which to counter the arguments of others, so you resort to ad hominem attacks.  I could counter your arguments with evidence (for instance, I could direct you to a fatwa against suicide bombings), but you would just insult me without even checking the evidence for yourself.  You have your agenda - the eradication of Muslims and hating the ladies - and no amount of evidence is going to change that.

    • James1 says:

      03:48pm | 09/03/11

      Wynston, I know that.  My opinion is the opinion I have been putting forward.  Is that so hard to grasp?  My opinion is that not all Muslims are terrorists, and we can not start “eradicating” whole religious groups on the off chance that some might kill some people.  Another opinion of mine is that most women are just like most men - decent people who do not deserve to be insulted just for having the temerity to not possess a penis.  I like the way you insult me instead of engaging with my opinions though - intelligent stuff.

      I guess you have never heard of the IRA, the UDA, or ETA, or the Tamil Tigers, or the many other non-Muslim terrorist organisations.  Sure lots of terrorist organisations are Muslim, but here’s a thought.  Remember Hitler?  He had a moustache.  You know who else had a moustache?  Stalin - that’s right, see the pattern here?  Another fellow that had a moustache?  Lenin.  Evil bastard, that one.  Trotsky, less evil than the others, but still mustachioed.  Emperor Hirohito?  Also a moustache-bearer, along with most of the upper echelon’s of the Imperial Japanese Navy.  Seems like everyone with a moustache I can think of right now was evil…  Hold on.  All of them were men.  Thinking on it, almost every evil bastard in history was a man.  Oh. My. God.

    • Ray says:

      04:14pm | 09/03/11

      James I said a degree of plagiarism. Ever heard of euphemism. And I never said ‘all’ women. Please go on a children’s site. Your comments are feeble.

    • Sad Sad Reality says:

      04:35pm | 09/03/11

      Wow James1. There’s straw men. Then there’s whatever the hell that was. Congrats. New depths reached. You should join Santos.

    • Zac de Spudnut says:

      09:23am | 09/03/11

      This from Kate Ellis’s blog. Try to include such comments for a balance….

      John says: 06:58am | 08/03/11
      As a police officer I can tell you the majority of domestic violence I see is commited by women however men hardly ever want to take the matter further hence we don’t see statistics,  I dispise that you created a plan to reduce violence against women and children you heart is in the right place but it should be a plan to reduce violence FULL STOP,  Your plan suggest it ok for men to be subject to violence.

    • Brad says:

      08:47pm | 09/03/11

      Its just the consequences that give the appearance that men commit all domestic violence. Woman attacks man with rolling pin, man defends himself and woman’s jaw is broken. You can lay money on the fact that this small tidbit of info will left out by her when giving her statement. My loving partner did.

    • Steph says:

      09:36am | 09/03/11

      I am sick of women making me feel like a 2nd class woman because i Choose to stay home and look after my children. I was a Doctor (GP) but now love being a house wife. If I go to work one day it only makes sense that people who have been working since I was away are promoted and earn more… Stop insulting us women!

    • Paul Horn says:

      10:48am | 10/03/11

      Well said Steph so what was the point of investing large amounts of taxpayer funding to train you as a doctor?

      In the old days doctors were men that did their duty. Many worked in the country without a complaint. Their wives considered it an honour to stand by their men. I was delivered by a white male doctor in the Northern suburbs of Adelaide in the early 60’s. You will not see a white doctor let alone a white female doctor practicising in these areas today.

      In the leafy Eastern suburbs of Adelaide where I now live white female doctors are everywhere, like a damned virus. Most work part bloody time! In fact female doctors work 50% of the time male doctors do and that is a major reason why we have a so called doctor shortage, women enjoying the priveliges of a first class education and then enjoying the greater privelige of “choosing” to stay at home or work part time. Damned disgraceful!

      So why train or educate women when society gets little benefit for it’s huge investment ? They had it right in the 50’s!

    • MJ says:

      10:15am | 09/03/11

      Here’s a fun game to play, take any one of the comments from all the guys from yesterday complaining about IWD how oppressed men are and switch any instance of ‘woman’ and ‘feminist’ with ‘man and ‘chauvinistic pig’ and you got yourself an exact replica of the attitudes projected from radical feminists!  Talk about selfish apparently women shouldn’t be allowed to even have ONE DAY to focus on the issues that personally affect them. I wonder what the reaction would be if I went on any blog or forum where the topic was men’s issues and then proceeded to try and de-rail the thread by complaining about how men don’t focus enough on MY opinion as a woman when discussing THEIR personal issues?

    • Bilby says:

      10:36am | 09/03/11

      “you got yourself an exact replica of the attitudes projected from radical feminists”

      Indeed you do. Now find someone that can say, with a straight face, that things would have progressed as far as they have if the radicals hadn’t been around.

    • Unprotected Species says:

      11:53am | 09/03/11

      Why do people always capitalise words they think are important? It’s like a child screaming at you to make his or her melodramatic point. Infantile. 

      Now to your idiocy.

      “ONE DAY”

      Yeah it’s one day. As if every second week we’re not bombarded with yet another reason why women are like totes awesome and stuff. One example: everyone pinking up to raise awareness for breast cancer. Great initiative. Men and women everywhere going to the cricket and wearing pink in support. Now where are all the women supporting prostate cancer awareness? Short of a few female doctors and celebrities personally touched by the evil bug, there are very very few. Could that be because women only care about what directly affects them? Of course not. Such a view would be misogynist.

      It’s the same with domestic violence. Yesterday a few of the men here took the article to task for suggesting a focus on domestic violence against women lessoned the importance of domestic violence against men, when all violence should be equally condemned. From what I read yesterday, a lot of women simply don’t care what happens to men, so long as they are protected. 

      Just check the Punch. How many articles have there been featuring women writing about women’s issues? 100? 200? Now how many featuring men writing about men’s issues? 0? And even if a man where to pen an article about the evils of feminism or the modern man’s worthy complaints, it would have to be written from a smug, satirical perspective to make it past editorial control. Any serious article would be shouted down with grow up, man up, stop whining, it’s a man’s world, blah, blah, blah.

    • Geoff - Brisbane says:

      01:44pm | 09/03/11

      @ Unprotected Species

      I can only recall one and it was by a woman who claimed she disliked feminism.

    • Unprotected Species says:

      02:35pm | 09/03/11

      Geoff, was she cute?

    • Kathy says:

      10:51am | 09/03/11

      There some disturbing views out there regarding having children and being financially stable. It’s seems people treat the consequence of losing an income because you have children in the same manner as the consequence of getting sick because you smoke or drink. Or, women wanting to have an income and children is put under the same umbrella as women wanting a Gucci bag and a closet full of shoes. It’s not about wanting it all or sucking up consequences, and lets face it it’s not even about companies benefiting from more female employees. It’s about supporting the basic right of women being able to raise children without having to struggle financially and the basic right of them having a fulfilling life. Apologies for my bleeding heart, but I think human rights come before profit, and a few less business class trips won’t topple society.

    • CABAL says:

      11:50am | 09/03/11

      Actually we live in capitalist society so profits do come first, generally at the expense of everything and everyone else. But hey what can you do?

    • skepdad says:

      11:59am | 09/03/11

      Don’t you mean the basic right of *people* to raise children without struggling financially and having a fulfilling life?  It may be a surprise to you that men would like to raise their kids full time too.

      Reality check Kathy: adults have to earn a living, and having kids forces you to make a decision between income and full-time parenting.  Sorry to shatter your socialist utopian ideals, but the money has to come from somewhere.

    • Chrissy says:

      06:44pm | 09/03/11

      Maybe that’s the first thing we are doing wrong as a society.  Having children is not a right, it is a privilege, and should be treated as such. People do not prepare enough to have a child, and the rest of society bears the burden. If families were more prepared, better educated, and took the time to save properly before they make the decision to bring a child into this world, perhaps we would value our children more as a society, and less domestic violence, less neglect would occur.

    • TracyH says:

      11:12am | 09/03/11

      Wow SSR…women come up short because men are building space stations? Yep…space stations are SO important. But I get your point to a certain extent. The thing is, you put VALUE on some things more than other things. You put VALUE on concrete development whereas other people might put VALUE on less obvious things like the importance of care, love, support, empathy compassion and so on.Both the concrete and abstract are not the sole domain of male or female…all achievement has VALUE. To say women come up short is a sad reflection of your inability to appreciate a broad spectrum of the concept of VALUE.

    • marley says:

      11:57am | 09/03/11

      I wouldn’t worry about SSR too much.  I seriously doubt he’s out there building space stations.

    • Sad Sad Reality says:

      12:27pm | 09/03/11

      That’s a whole lota VALUE you got there, Trace.

      I think compassion and care are important. I also think men are equal or better at them too. Hence why a child is safer with a single father than he/she is with a single mother. I just think compassion and care pale in comparison for expanding the potential of human kind than say creating the internet, discovering nuclear fission and mapping the human genome.

      Almost every piece of technology you use each day, every conceptual framework you work within, every word you speak, was designed, tested and perfected by a man. The only reason you are alive today is because men fought and died for your freedom. Men created laws to ensure you could occupy positions of power, even if you weren’t the most qualified person for the job and set up a Family Law system tilted in your favour every step of the way.

      Do you really believe women would return the favour if they had founded society? The truth is, if women were as physically, intellectually and spiritually dominant over men as we are over them, men would be caged slaves used purely for reproduction. 

      You can see this attitude through every pro-feminist text ever written. I just think with all this celebration of women, we loose sight of the sacrifices, the sheer front-running awesomeness and broad compassion of the male species.

      Initiate response.

    • Markus says:

      12:32pm | 09/03/11

      “whereas other people might put VALUE on less obvious things like the importance of care, love, support, empathy compassion and so on”.

      SSR is talking about building an international space station, so I’m fairly certain he is putting a lot of value on the importance of support.

    • Jessica says:

      11:39am | 09/03/11

      I think equality is about breaking down expectations and judgements about gender roles and requirements. Women should not be expected to leave the workplace when they have a baby. Equally, women who do choose to leave their employment to raise a family should not be condemned as lazy. Men should not automatically be seen as the bread-winner. Some echelons of society are still supporting these and other sexist views regardless of how progressive we, as a whole, may think we are.

    • TracyH says:

      12:06pm | 09/03/11

      @Marley…GUFFAW!!!!!! smilesmile @SSR…sorry for laughing…I usually really like a lot of your posts smile

    • Chris L says:

      02:12pm | 09/03/11

      I get the feeling this is a different SSR. He’s usually amusing on purpose.

    • Carz says:

      12:07pm | 09/03/11

      What really amuses me about all this wonderful debate is that I never seem to hear women bitching about Men’s Health Week, Mo-Vember, which raises awareness of men’s health issues, or International Men’s Day. They accept that these are real issues that need acknowledgement and addressing. Yet mention breast cancer or violence against women, neither of which negate that men are also victims of cancer and violence, and the howls from the “poor men” faction are deafening. Well expect that to change. If it is good enough for them to troll articles on women’s issues then they can expect the same.

      And if celebrating the achievements of the “few” is distasteful then let’s get rid of ANZAC Day (those wars are over now, why bother remembering those who fought for us), Australia/Invasion Day (‘cause hey, we can’t turn back the clock and get the white people out of Australia, and what they did to Aboriginals had nothing to do with me so I’m not going to say sorry or anything) and Labour Day (‘cause the damn unions never do anything for me) as well.

    • Erick says:

      12:27pm | 09/03/11

      But we do hear feminists bitching every time a man raises an issue such as domestic violence against men. Or equal education for boys. Or equal treatment under family law. Or, indeed, any of the important areas where men are discriminated against.

      So why should men be quiet when women talk about female issues? Our issues are ridiculed and swept under the carpet, and it’s the only chance we have to be heard.

    • Markus says:

      12:49pm | 09/03/11

      You don’t hear women bitching about Movember? You must have your ears blocked the whole month then.
      There was even a Punch article last November about how disgusting it was being forced to endure a whole 30 days of men with facial hair, and joking about many of them of looking like paedophiles. Hilarious.
      And I’m fairly sure if you run through the comments yesterday you will find several from women complaining that ‘EVERY day is International Men’s Day’.

      Funny you mention Labour Day too, as most people’s opinion seems to be that the Unions once helped provide much appreciated labour rights to this nation, but are now struggling for relevance way past their use by date.
      Perhaps the radical feminist groups could take that hint too?

    • skepdad says:

      12:51pm | 09/03/11

      Perhaps you should look through the comments from yesterday that stated that “every day is International Men’s Day” to see the kind of androgyny men are up against.

    • Chris L says:

      02:16pm | 09/03/11

      In order for women to comment on an article about “Men’s Day” there has to be an artice about “Men’s Day”. Simple cause and effect there Carz.

    • Andrew Martin says:

      02:24pm | 09/03/11

      Carz, it’s very dangerous to enter a battle of wits when you are so obviously unarmed.  I suggest you start with some elementary searches (I hear Google do an alright job) before you post such nonsense.  Or at the very least, go to Bunnings and get them to cut you another chip to sit on the other shoulder.  It might balance you out a little…

      Gender quotas are economic suicide for any organisation.  Seriously, nobody should get the job just because you have tits.  Best person for the job, regardless of gender is the only way.  But if you ladies want to push the barrow, then let’s put quotas in for all professions.  20% of all garbage collectors must now be female.  Same with plumbers, window cleaners, builders, coal miners etc.  From school you are ushered into careers that are lacking a female representation so as to balance it up a bit. 

      Sounds stupid doesn’t it? Just as silly as telling a corporation that they have to sack 2 of every 10 high performing male employees so they can make room to promote an unproven woman who’s not as qualified.  If the talent is walking out the door then you will also see investors/shareholders.  Real good way to keep the economy growing.

    • Carz says:

      08:30pm | 09/03/11

      @Andrew. What the hell are you on about? I don’t mention anything about gender quotas. And as for searches, I prefer to do mine through the academic journals. If you want to try it go to Google and click on the more tab, then click on the scholar tab. A fantastic resource that helps you access peer-reviewed scholarly articles instead of the likes of Wikipedia, which anyone can add too, regardless of validity.

      I apologise for my inaccuracies regarding Movember. Perhaps it would be more apt to say that I didn’t hear anyone bitching about it. And if you want articles on Men’s Day perhaps you need to do what the women’s lobby has done for a long time now - make enough noise about it to get it noticed by the media. Fight to have it and all that it stands for recognised.

      @ Erick, perhaps you missed the last round of family law reforms. You should check them out.

    • Love Family Life says:

      12:24pm | 09/03/11

      Do we really need all these special days.  Awareness for good causes OK.  I know I am not equal to a man in strength and endurance.  The man being the breadwinner of the household is a wonderful family value.  Why would anyone condem a women to raise a family at home.  When the situation is affordable, and the children are well cared for is fantastic and is a hectic job on its own.  I do not agree with paid maternity or paternity leave, and I don’t feel employers should bear the burden of keeping these jobs open.  Having children is like taking another career.  If you want another job after you are over this career, you should have to apply.  It is a husband and wife’s choice to have a family, and the cost burden should remain within the family.  Perhaps we need to take a step back and be realistic of things we can go without to help you support your family.  I am not saying the mother has to stay home if the father wants to do the mothering.  A man’s pride is to support his family.  Why deny someone you love this right.  I love having the door opened for me and to be treated as a lady.  Men and women are different and that is a fact. No amount of money can give you the joy that a family does.  This I know is only my opinion.

    • Ray says:

      12:46pm | 09/03/11

      Carz, dear, dear, dear, dear, me, you’ve chosen some bad examples in breast cancer and domestic violence against women.

      What might be annoying men is that public (and private) funding for breast cancer has been exclusive up to recent may be 2 years, and still outweighs prostate funding by anything up to 98%. About time Glenn McGrath opened up his funding for prosate as well as breast cancer. That could coincide with women’s sport having blue days for prostate cancer as done by cricket, rugby league, rugby union, AFL, Racing etc all of which have their breast cancer days but no prostate cancer days.

      What men might also be saying is that they don’t want the stereotyping of domestic violence solely sheeted home to themselves. It’s a wider problem with close to equal perpetration by the genders. More by women towards kids..

      However your most distasteful comment is with regard to the fallen in the great wars. The ‘FEW’ men were 102,000, (about 400 women for those without perspective). 20% of the male population at the time was repatriated. Your comment is devoid of any humour, sarcasm,merit or validity. Pure evidence that feminism can and does cause debilitation of all decency.

      Decency is what women have lost in a salacious quest for equality (read mental apeasement) to their own inadequacies.

    • Sad Sad Reality says:

      01:42pm | 09/03/11

      “Decency is what women have lost in a salacious quest for equality (read mental apeasement) to their own inadequacies.”

      Wow. Ignore all of my stupid posts and reread the line above a couple of hundred times. Everything you need to know is right there. Well said, Ray.

    • LauraBoBaura says:

      01:44pm | 09/03/11

      Ray, if limited funding for prostate cancer research annoys you, then why don’t you start lobbying?
      I would say that awareness and funding for male health issues would have significantly increased through causes like Movember, wouldn’t you? Instead of whining about it, why don’t you do something yourself?
      The sqeaky wheel gets the grease Ray.

      The Mcgrath Foundation is geared specifically towards breast cancer because Jane Mcgrath died of breast cancer, not prostate cancer. Why should it be Glenn Mcgrath’s responsibility to give funding to prostate cancer causes?

    • Ray says:

      02:13pm | 09/03/11

      LBB it’s not McGrath’s reponsibility to raise money for breast cancer either. He does it because he is a good bloke and his teammates stand with him. But unlike you I would excpect him to be much broader in his philanthropic outlook and have little doubt he will broarden that horizon when the timing is right, despite the self focussing reflection of yopur writing.

      As for Movember it’s mostly treated as a joke with derision.

      But hey you keep maintaining your exclusivity outlook and confirm my opinion of self centredness towards female at the exclusion of male.

      Plus I am not a squeaky wheel, have no intention of being one, and prefer a society with a balanced view on need rather than pandering to PC pressure and rampant ransom by women to the social agenda.

    • Ray says:

      02:19pm | 09/03/11

      Also LBB if your ambition is to be a squeaky wheel you need to lift youe ambition aspirations above what you want to what you earn and deserve.

    • Sad Sad Reality says:

      02:32pm | 09/03/11

      LBB, indexed above offers a great example of the coverage Movember receives in the press. Hint: derision.

      Your response. Get out there and do it yourself. Or more concisely, man-up. Poor. Even by your extremely low standards.

      Men support women’s issues. Women offer zero support for men’s issues. This is the state of play.

    • LauraBoBaura says:

      02:32pm | 09/03/11

      You’re right, he does do it because he is a good bloke. But I think the main reason that he and Jane started the foundation is because she was diagnosed with breast cancer & raising money would help to maybe find a cure for a disease that was killing his wife…  prostate cancer proabably wasn’t on their radar at the time, why is that such a bad thing?

      Men’s issues do not recieve as much attention as women’s issues, which is wrong.. my point with the squeaky wheel comment, is that to change that, you need to raise awareness, just as the Mcgrath foundation has done for breast cancer.

    • Jugg says:

      02:46pm | 09/03/11

      You can bet the women telling you to lobby never lifted a finger themselves and are again living off the work of others (hmmm McGrath is…a MAN!)

    • LauraBoBaura says:

      03:19pm | 09/03/11

      @Jugg - I have lifted many a finger for many causes, why do you assume that I am ‘living off the work of others’?

      @SSR - Why shouldn’t my response be ‘Get out there and do it yourself’, what should my response be? I’ve always been of the mind that, if you feel passionately about something (as Ray obviously does) you should fight for it… why is that a poor attitude to have? Every philantropic cause, by it’s very nature, has been created by a person or group of people who wanted to make a difference to people’s lives.

      @Ray - when did I say that my ‘aspiration’ was to be a ‘squeaky wheel’? That was never even anything close to implied, I don’t know why you feel the need to attack me personally like I am some rabid femi-nazi?

    • LauraBoBaura says:

      04:05pm | 09/03/11

      Oh and SSR, my grandfather died of prostate cancer in 2009. Don’t tell me I have no interest in men’s issues. I did the Lightning Ridge to Cobar leg of the Rumble Down Under with my partner last year to raise funds for prostate cancer..

    • Sad Sad Reality says:

      04:54pm | 09/03/11

      LBB, your response should be, “You’re right men’s issues do get pushed into the background by the selfish female world view. We as a gender need to change.” That’s all I want to hear.

      I’m sorry to hear about your dad. All cancer is evil. I just wish we treated it that way.

    • TracyH says:

      01:03pm | 09/03/11

      Carz’ comments reminds me of an interesting phenonema…when ‘we’ win, say the cricket, or an Olympic medal or whatever…it’s “we”...but if there’s something shameful, like what’s happened to the indigenous peoples of the world, we say “I wasn’t there…why should I say sorry? It wasn’t ME!”...always thought that was the epitome of irony!!

    • Sad Sad Reality says:

      01:21pm | 09/03/11

      You might want to hit the dictionary then.

    • TracyH says:

      01:19pm | 09/03/11

      @SSR…there are thousands of female scientists contributing to the next developments now that they can actually be included in the exclusive “let’s progress” society. And no…I’m not just here soley because some man died for me…I’m here because of that AND that a self sacrificing wonderful woman gave birth to me:)
      ...didn’t you see where I wrote that compassion etc aren’t traits exclusive to women?
      and so what if I use caps..I’m a PASSIONATE extroverted type. Doesn’t mean, though, that I don’t enjoy your dry, cynical wit. Takes all of us to add spice wink

    • Sad Sad Reality says:

      02:12pm | 09/03/11

      I know there are thousands of women contributing to thousands of different things, but there are and will always be millions more men doing the same. And every great achievement, every wonder of human ingenuity, every act of sublime genius has emerged from that wonderful combination of X and Y chromosomes. Even things women are obsessed with, men do better. That’s why all the great fashion designers, chefs and hair stylists are men.

      Most of the women my age don’t have any interests apart from finding and landing a man they can parade around to their stuck up friends. They’re not interested in current events and are self-obsessed, vacuous, fame-chasing empty vessels.

      And you are solely here because a man died for you. A brave soul who risked his life to ensure your mother was free to explore hers. Yes your mother sacrificed her time to give birth to you but the solider sacrificed his life. Hardly a fair comparison. That is what I call a standard female response. An empty comparison with no idea of proportion or perspective.

    • Ray says:

      04:06pm | 09/03/11

      LLB on the squeaky wheel you have actually oersonifiewd women’s main problem.

      Having someone usually men do everything for them they can’t do it themselves so hence the need for the squeaky wheel.

      Men don’t need a squeaky wheel they do it themselves. Women need to do it themselves not inlist the socialist motherhood of thee democratic left which panders to idealism rather than practical achievement.

      Hope you understand my meaning that women need to achieve things themselves, not by constraining legislation, lopsided funding, lopsided education - all things being done for them by others.

      Don’t try and bring men back to the field

    • LauraBoBaura says:

      04:38pm | 09/03/11

      @Ray - I think you have extrapolated my point re the squeaky wheel gets the oil, out to somewhere that I never intended, but that’s your perogative.

      I do agree with you that women need to do things for themselves, and guess what.. 99.99% of us do so without needing equal opportunity laws. If I go for a job, I don’t want to get it because the workplace doesn’t have the right % of women, that’s wrong & unfair, I want to get a job because I am the best qualified for that job.

      The ones that harp on about how men get it so much better than us are the minority of women. I don’t believe that men have it better, I have never personally been discriminated against because I am a woman, the feminist argument is one that in my mind, does not represent the majority of women… it sure as hell doesn’t represent my views, I love men.

      I just think that nobody benefits when we start chucking around statements like ‘All women think…...’ and ‘All men think….’

    • TracyH says:

      01:19pm | 09/03/11

      @SSR…there are thousands of female scientists contributing to the next developments now that they can actually be included in the exclusive “let’s progress” society. And no…I’m not just here soley because some man died for me…I’m here because of that AND that a self sacrificing wonderful woman gave birth to me:)
      ...didn’t you see where I wrote that compassion etc aren’t traits exclusive to women?
      and so what if I use caps..I’m a PASSIONATE extroverted type. Doesn’t mean, though, that I don’t enjoy your dry, cynical wit. Takes all of us to add spice wink

    • Red says:

      01:57pm | 09/03/11

      It is good that there is a day set aside for females and males to be celebrated, their achievements recognised and their main concerns to be heard. I would like to see more recognition given to having male focussed articles when International Mens Day rocks around (Tim / Penbo / Ray / Erick), if they are constructive. There is only 1 serious blog writer on the major newspapers who seems devoted to talking through male issues and he is on a rival site.

      The first couple of issues seem to be firmly shared between the sexes, with slightly different focus and are more intensly felt by families rather than singles / DINKS.

      I have a personal bugbear about Domestic Violence and the manner in which it is constantly cast as being caused almost exclusively by males when there is very credible research showing significant proportions are instigated by both genders (even the selected entries have a bias against males). I think most males hate being tarred in this manner and it causes a lot to become angry and disengaged about the topic (male participation in White Ribbon Day was around 5% of the participants - a major focus of WRD is to engage males).

    • Carz says:

      02:32pm | 09/03/11

      Red, the credibility of the research you mention is debated within both the academic and hands on social welfare sectors. Like many issues, if you look hard enough you can find something to support your side of the argument (can we say MMR/autism link?). As for White Ribbon Day, it was created by men, and comes at the end of the ‘16 days of activism against violence’ which is not gender specific.

      And just for the record, I don’t believe all men are abusers or rapists. But I do believe it is only when men act to shame other men about those actions that real change can happen. Let’s face it, if you hate women and target them with abusive behaviours you are hardly going to even consider listening to what they have to say.

    • Chris L says:

      02:36pm | 09/03/11

      You’re absolutely correct with that last point Red. I don’t understand how some people can classify a man they don’t know as a woman basher and then expect the guy to cough up some cash to support spreading the insult to other men. Logic is not a strong point with these people, nor is common curtesy.

    • Markus says:

      03:03pm | 09/03/11

      The entire goal of WRD is to engage males who have never hit a girl in their life, and make them take responsibility for every guy out there who ever has hit a woman (Didn’t you know? Us guys all just sit around telling our mates how we ‘told her twice’ for not having dinner on the table, but it’s our secret k? smile)
      I’m not surprised male participation is so low.

    • Erick says:

      03:16pm | 09/03/11

      Well said, Red.

      When I see men being targeted and smeared by domestic violence campaigns, I react. I will not support any such campaign, but I will oppose it in every way I possibly can.

      Such campaigns, like “White Ribbon Day”, are nothing but pure misandry. Every good person should denounce and boycott them.

    • Red says:

      03:23pm | 09/03/11

      Carz, as a start to finding information on most topics Wikipedia can be a useful introduction. They have a discussion of the research and the conflicting methodologies used to determine the statistics.

      You can view their material at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_violence

      The section you should review and critque or add to is under “Gender aspects of abuse”.

      Knowing the White Ribbon Campaign was started in Canada after the École Polytechnique massacre in 1989 does not mitigate male participation rate in Australia is around 5% of the participants.

    • James1 says:

      03:55pm | 09/03/11

      I’d never really thought of WRD like that.  Having never hit any women, I just thought that it was talking about men who hit women, not all men.

      Nothing wrong with having a day for saying no to violence against men though.  Indeed, I struggle to see why anyone would object.  Can you help me out with a link detailing some objections by any chance Erick?

    • Chris L says:

      09:52pm | 09/03/11

      @James1 - I’d like to respond with the acknowledgement that I usually agree with your posts and want to be respectful when disagreeing…. but come off it!

      When someone describes men as a group you would consider yourself a member of this group would you not? Thus it follows when people keep talking about women being enslaved by men there would be at least a momentary association with this enslaving group yes? Even if momentary?

      Why do we have to put up with this spray and pray approach to shaming the guilty when it is so wrong to profile men as probably peadophiles, profile muslims as probably terrorists, or profile women as probably dumb as a post?

    • Erick says:

      05:11am | 10/03/11

      James1, I can do better than a link. Just scroll up to the main article, and read the two comments quoted under Part 4. They are objecting to recognising men as victims of violence.

      But it isn’t that we need a campaign against violence against men. What we really need is an end to exclusive campaigns against violence against women, which demonise men. And maybe a general campaign against *all* domestic violence.

    • TracyH says:

      01:59pm | 09/03/11

      sigh…SSR, are you saying it’s not ironic to want personal glory for other’s actions, (like, er, building space stations for example) but not condemnation?

    • Sad Sad Reality says:

      02:52pm | 09/03/11

      Only a woman would think celebrating the achievements of great men emerges from a desire for personal glory. So caught up in your own head, you can’t even imagine someone wanting anything simply from an instinct for fairness and truth. This is why women are hopeless at philosophy.

    • Natalie says:

      03:15pm | 09/03/11

      My primary school children behave better than you lot above! 

      The way you insult each other is plain rude and bad manners.  Please show some decency and as adults surely you are capable of discussing controversial topics in an adult and non-derogative way????? 

      It is so unbelievably sad to read these posts.

    • Alex says:

      03:28pm | 09/03/11

      It is actually quite sweet to see women running around, huffing and puffing about equality. Hey, have your one day of the year, and I am all for more women in the boards of major companies. Someone needs to make the coffee and buy the bikkies.

    • NicoleG says:

      03:52pm | 09/03/11

      Oh allow me to make you coffee Alex. Now, how many laxatives would you like with that?

    • JRM says:

      03:38pm | 09/03/11

      I want equality.

      Next time I am in the Solomon Islands like 1998. And the naval boat Tobruk comes to rescue us Ozzies. It can be PEOPLE First.  And some women can be left behind to welcome the approaching militants with guns and knives drawn.

      Let’s see how women like the equity in that.

    • Greg says:

      03:53pm | 09/03/11

      Imagine if they had said “Only men first”.

      The women would sue the Government.

    • Jason says:

      03:45pm | 09/03/11

      I don’t like the concept where Australian women think they have to “do” things for other women in developing countires. I have worked in about 5 such places and the people there would consider it an insult for outisders to interfere.

      Village life in developing countries has a structure and culture that goes back thousands of years. And they have survived well. Who are Australian women (with just 240 years of heritage)  to demand that it changes.

      The villages operate around the women doing certain things and the men doing certain things - and it suits. And it works. Its not demeaning for either gender. Its complimentary.

      Keep out of others culture - Australian women who think they have a right or duty to interfere in another countries culture , just becuase of white women and their ideals,  should have passports withheld.

    • LauraBoBaura says:

      04:51pm | 09/03/11

      Jason - does this extend to female genital mutilation? Stoning & beheading of women? Beatings and sexual assaults for not performing day to day tasks?
      Should we mind our own business?

    • Sad Sad Reality says:

      06:26pm | 09/03/11

      I thought you supported Islam, LBB?

    • LauraBoBaura says:

      09:14am | 10/03/11

      SSR: I don’t support the stoning/bashing of women, or female genital mutilation, I don’t agree with the barbaric treatment of women under Sharia Law, or the barbaric treatment of men.
      I don’t support Islam, I think all religions are a load of crap & are probably the most harmful thing in the world. 
      I don’t support Muslim’s who come to this country & proclaim that Australia should adopt Sharia law & I believe that the Muslim community as a whole, would improve it’s image amongst the general population of this country by standing up & denouncing behaviour like that at every opportunity…. 

      ... but I have the ability to recognise that the majority of Muslim’s just want to live in Australia peacefully like us, and I will support their right to do so.

    • Paul Horn says:

      11:16am | 10/03/11

      Foolish ignorant comment LauraBo. The most harmful and destructive “thing” in the world is the slavish pursuit of leftist atheistic socialism. No doubt being on the left side of the political spectrum you will disagree. Communist Russia resulted in the deaths of hundreds of milliond of it’s citizens. Communist China replicated the feats of their Russian counterparts.

      We need’nt even mention the depths of depravity the Socialist Nazi regime achieved though pretty tame in comparison to the it’s two illustrious bedfellows above.

      I find it absolutely fascinating that atheist groups were extremely active in teh persecution of Christians during the earler part of the century.

      Be careful what you wish for!

    • LauraBoBaura says:

      11:50am | 10/03/11

      @Paul - Sorry, but that’s my opinion & I am entitled to it just like you are to yours.  This does not make me ‘foolish’ a socialist or a communist.

      This is obviously a topic that we won’t reach anything resembling an agreement on, so I’d rather skip it all together.
      Believe in God, don’t believe in God, it’s up to you, I’m not belittling your beliefs.

      Thanks for your reply.

    • Jugg says:

      04:01pm | 09/03/11

      Someone at The Punch tell us why there is such disparity between pro male and female articles.

    • Rog says:

      04:28pm | 09/03/11

      All these comments are interesting ladies…but my dinner isn’t going to make itself.

    • TracyH says:

      07:24am | 10/03/11

      Ha! Love it Rog…some humour finally:)

    • Donna Hill says:

      04:48pm | 09/03/11

      I thought we should be transparent here and mention the 120,000 abortions carried out annually in Australia by women. Whilst we celebrate women, lets us remember that they appear to be the most violent people in Australia today and have been since a woman’s right to take a life become chic.

      “Lest we forget”

    • Paul Horn says:

      12:00pm | 10/03/11

      Congrats Donna. Womans right extends to the right to kill/murder!

      Nuff said!

    • Davo says:

      05:56pm | 09/03/11

      Just read The Manipulated man, by Esther Vilar. Pretty much sums up ‘women’ of today.

      Nuff said.

      By the way, feminazi’s and the whole women’s right movement have totally destroyed the identity and role of the female in today’s world.

      DEAL WITH IT.

    • Catching up says:

      07:04pm | 09/03/11

      “Jason - does this extend to female genital mutilation?  “

      This is NOT an Muslim practice.  It is cultural and found among the ribes of North Africa.


      “FGM originated in Africa. It was, and remains, a cultural, not a religious practice.
      Among individuals and groups opposed to the mutilation, it is seen as a method of reducing the sexual response of women in order to make them less likely to become sexually active before marriage or to seek extra-marital affairs after marriage.
      To some who promote the operation, it is seen as a cultural requirement that has health benefits and makes women more physically beautiful. These views are not shared by the rest of the world.
      The operation is forced on approximately 6,000 girls per day, worldwide—about one every 15 seconds. Since FGM is practiced when the girls are young, they are unable to give their informed consent. …..
      This mutilating procedure is often associated mainly with the religion of Islam. This is incorrect. FGM is primarily a social practice, not a religious one. Female genital mutilation predated Islam. It originated in Africa and remains today a mainly African cultural practice. Some indicators of this are:
      It is widely practiced in countries where the predominant religion is Christianity: Examples are Ethiopia and Kenya.

      In multi-faith countries, it is often forced on girls whose families follow  all faiths: Animism religions, Christianity, and Islam. For example, it is frequently practiced among both Muslims, Christians and Animists in Ethiopia, Eritrea, Sierra Leone, and Sudan…...........1

      http://www.religioustolerance.org/fem_cirm1.htm”

    • LauraBoBaura says:

      09:23am | 10/03/11

      FYI catching up - I never said it WAS a muslim practice.
      Stonings and beatings however, ARE muslim practises.

    • Natalie says:

      09:09pm | 09/03/11

      Ladies…please don’t take the bait. 
      Ladies and gentlemen all you have to do is:
      be nice to each other
      simple…yes!  hope it make sense.

    • natalie says:

      09:16pm | 09/03/11

      have some shame both genders…........you are truly pathetic!  Discuss this topic without derogatorive comments and your message will be heard.

    • Ray says:

      09:00am | 10/03/11

      Hey Natalie it’s a bit late to extend the olive branch. Women set the standard with their incessant denegration of men with no rules based on common decency.

      You of course like every other half brain in denial can refute that. But I think that is the driving force behind men’s contempt and diminishing respect towards women.

      It will get worse as there are obviously no limitations to women’s claims for preferential treatment, or some other flawed argument on manufactured conspiracy and discrimination. Followed by some unbelievable naivity that they respect and love their men. 

      You simply cannot repeatedly kick someone in their guts for self expediency and then claim affection and love towards them

    • LauraBoBaura says:

      10:11am | 10/03/11

      “the driving force behind men’s contempt and diminishing respect towards women” - Ray, who elected you the Men’s Spokesperson? Since when do your opinions reflect those of men as a whole?

      The men in my life do not have contempt or diminishing respect for women. I get the creeping feeling you are projecting your own insecurities & contempt for women, onto men as a whole & then claiming it as the views of the majority of men.

      Maybe your respect for women is diminishing, this is pretty obvious through your comments, but since when is your opinion gospel?

    • Ray says:

      11:15am | 10/03/11

      Well LLB I’m a lot closer to men’s opinions than you are.

      Typical feminist strategy - Men can’t have a spokesman, can’t enunciate opinion, or above all cannot question feamale ideals. Do you speak for all women. Do you speak for the mentally challenged feminist protagonists. FFS how many male Prime Ministers on their overseas trips have attended a Men’s Day forum like out female PM has done on her one and only trip to the US

      Furthermore LLB, you have made no contribution to refute women’s delusion that women can obsessively denigrate men and then expect love, affection, and respect in return.

      The denigration is in many forms but primarily derision of men as people (endorsed for example by male strippers for female sexual entartainment without a hint of hypocrissy - a cheap but hometruth example ), with an attendent female view of men being second class people.

      But further ingratiated with:

      Education: where a culpably biased structure and outcome is celebrated.

      Employment: where the culpably better educated get better outcomes.

      Family Law: No comment required.

      Publicly funded representation for women in organisations such as Ministries for Women, Sex Discrimination Commission. (Who the Commissioner believes gives her Terms of Reference to discriminate in favour of women).

      Health: Research and spending

      But hey enough, that’s degenerating to the petty naming of a collection of social initiatives somehow seen as squaring the leger, which are as obvious to anyone as the silence that follows their being put on the table for question. They never make the table for debate.

      I don’t have insecurities but I despise foul play and cheats who wish to play the game and make the rules. Women are cheats because they want conditions legislated, and get them, to guarantee their slice of the pie. Whereas men continue to meet the challenges to their success through their own endeavours. Bottom line being if you don’t make it, well it’s up to yourself.

      Furthermorwe nothing is gospel including misguided feminist ideology which has manouvered itself to being above account.

    • LauraBoBaura says:

      12:22pm | 10/03/11

      Ray,

      “Typical feminist strategy - Men can’t have a spokesman” - Typical Ray strategy cry ‘feminist conspiracy’ as soon as someone disagrees with you. If you read my post above, you would see where I said I don’t agree with the modern feminist movement.

      Furthermore, I never said that men can’t have a spokesman, I just don’t think that you are that spokesman, your beliefs are so far away from those of any man that I have ever known & filled with such vitrol & paranoia towards females that I think that they would be pretty shocked to discover that you are electing yourself as hero of the males.

      “I’m a lot closer to men’s opinions than you are” - Really? Are you? Or are you just assuming that all men harbour the same amount of resentment and contempt for females that you do.

      I don’t know if my views reflect those of the greater population of women, I don’t care, I am merely putting my opinion out there. I never tried to claim that my views are anything more than my personal opinion & experience, unlike yourself.

      Ray - I do not denigrate or deride men, but yes I can see your point that the system is unfair in favour of women., and it’s BS. If you paid attention, I never disputed that fact.

      What my issue is with you is, is that you are so intent on casting all women in the role of feminazi man haters that shower fake love & affection on men, but then stab them in the back….
      I’m 21 FFS, I have had no role in the government, I didn’t make these rules, I got my first job off the back of my own hard work not equal opportunity, and since then, I have been the most qualified person for my job.
      I don’t squeeze men out of positions. Since my first, I have never been to a job interview, future employers have always called me, how is it my fault that some women abuse the system.
      But somehow you think you have the right to call me a cheat? Like my life is somehow cushier & easier than yours because I am a woman.

      You assume that all women are feminists. You further assume that all women could not and do not make a decent contribution to society without relying on equal opportunity laws.

    • Ray says:

      03:03pm | 10/03/11

      Listen LBB if you want to avail yourself of the conspiracy benefits generated under false pretences by your gender than you are one of them by association. And I can assure you all the love and devotion feigned by women towards men dissolves rapidly on seperations to become a venomous witch hunt to discredit their same ‘partner’- all for financial benefit or revenge. Lack the class to walk away with respect. Same dispicable tactics are used at the workplace, where for example I felt unwelcome, and turned me from affable liking towards women to contempt for opportune seizure upon any device to aid promotion. Affirmative action to the hilt.

      You may be too young to have witnessed or experienced the gross misrepresentation in favour of women, but it is a tawdry path no one would be proud of.

      I do give you the benefit of the doubt but remain unrepentent regarding the absolute self indulgence of women at the expense and total disregard of all else including husbands, fathers, brothers, sons etc.

      You might consider yourself lucky to inherit a rails run in life thanks to protagonists of anti male mantra. Consider your fellow male students floundering in an education systerm deliberately skewed to favour females. The history is there if you were old enough to witness it.
      \ Finally women ARE cheats because the have commandeered the social framework to the extent they can be denied nothing whether earned or given. Your life is cushier and easier as a woman.

      Furthermore in this era of misrepresentatin no credit is ever given to men as a group. Plenty of discredit as a group though. While the protected species marches ever onwards.

      The legislation including your ‘equal opportunity’ should be torpedoed.

      History will condemn this era and say WTF were they doing, to hobnail and handicap their proven most productive work force component, and compromise their very existence in society. It’s like a gender cleansing exercise to the scope of which Hitler would be proud. He was a proven idiot.

    • Karri says:

      09:27pm | 09/03/11

      I find the quotes in the article well balanced and realistic, but I think they are not representative of Australia as a whole. 

      The comments below seem much more in keeping with what I see here everyday.  A common and basic disregard of women.

      There are always voices in decent, but they are few.

      If this is what it was like in the ‘70’s in North America, I owe my older sisters a great debt.

      And don’t worry, I’ll be going home first chance, I wouldn’t want to be mistaken for a broadmare and be stuck tied to such a backward place.

    • Ray says:

      09:39am | 10/03/11

      See ya Kristine (Kenneelly that is)

    • Bev says:

      10:01pm | 09/03/11

      Lets talk about quotas.  Some time ago Robin Riley from the Herald Sun took up the cudgel on behalf of women complaining that there were only a small number of women air traffic controllers and how they were discriminated against and that quotas should be introduced blah blah blah.  I wrote a well reasoned comment (I thought) as to why this was so (It was not published).  At first glance it would seem a no brainer as air traffic controllers work in airconditioned surroundings and no physical effort is involved.  However all is not as it seems.  I was part of the team which designed one of the worlds first Air Traffic Control simulators (the design of which has become the defacto standard for such simulators) to train ATC people.  From our research into what was required to be a successful ATC it was found that there was a need to be able to think and hold a 3D image in your head of the all aircraft being controlled (hight, speed, position) a difficult task for most of us.  It turns out that only about 20% of men can and only about 5% do it really well and a much smaller number of women (a left over from our hunter gather days presumably). Hence the biase.  However it seems feminists dont or won’t want to see the facts which run counter to the agenda.  Believe me if they ever force quotas on to the air traffic world I will stop flying.

    • TracyH says:

      07:29am | 10/03/11

      Very interesting Bev…always good to get a reasoned perspective from people who are actually knowledgeable about something. Thanks smile

    • marley says:

      12:47pm | 10/03/11

      I’d be curious to know whether there was any link between that capacity to hold images and experience with certain kinds of games which involve spatial reasoning.  AFL footy strikes me as one, but tennis, basketball and volleyball all have a 3D aspect.  And more men than woman would be likely to play those games.  Just wondering whether the capacity is inborn or learned.

    • Robert Smissen, rural SA, God's own country says:

      10:36pm | 09/03/11

      Sally, you are wrong, men are victims of violence from their partners too, often what your data doesn’t say is who thew the first punch. As a victim that was injured whilst protecting my kids then have a cop say that they wouldn’t charge my wife (now ex) because it would never get to court.

    • Robert Smissen, rural SA, God's own country says:

      10:38pm | 09/03/11

      Yes it was a “lovely day” for those white collar women in government jobs but for blue collar women hardly anything has changed in over 100 years.

    • marley says:

      07:06am | 10/03/11

      Actually, two of the big aims of the original IWD were to equalize pay and improve working conditions. On both fronts, I think there has been quite a lot of progress.  Yes, blue collar women in factories do not have nice air-conditioned offices - but their conditions are a great deal better than their grandmothers’ were - safer, cleaner, less polluted workplaces, shorter hours, better pay.  Everyone, male and female, benefits from that.

    • B says:

      03:18pm | 10/03/11

      Feminism is the act of swinging the Gender balance the other way so women have the power.  Just look at the world today.  It’s completely discrimatory to men.  Its even legislated and you tell me that Women complain its not equal for them?

    • Kylia says:

      10:15am | 23/11/11

      Ho ho, who wuloda thunk it, right?

 

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A private school girl’s family is sueing her elite, extremely expensive private school for not… Read more

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