The ABC mini-mini-series Paper Giants has been a great hit. Funky footage blended with some brilliant performances, fabulous frocks, and an intriguing behind-the-scenes look at the creation of women’s mag, Cleo. On a smaller scale, it did for the magazine industry what Mad Men did for the advertising industry.

Here at The Punch, it made us wonder: What’s next? What else could benefit from this historical dramatisation?

The ABC is reportedly looking at other Cleo-related or Packer family-related options - but we reckon there’s much broader scope in the genre. Anyway, see below for our thoughts on Paper Giants, and share your own thoughts below.

Lucy admits she’d be strangely drawn to watching the birth of Big Brother:
Television is a strange beast. I was glued to Paper Giants for its delicious ratio of everything I love to watch on the small screen: 50 per cent social history, 50 per cent fashion.

But if there’s something I love watching more than stuff I love on TV, it’s watching stuff I loathe.

I’d give hours of my life to watching the making of reality television - specifically the Australian version of Big Brother.

Yes, it’s been a decade since Gretel Killeen and co. subjected us to the navel-gazing, pasta-inhaling, turkey-slapping grottiness that was the daily life of the first Big Brother house in Dream World, Queensland, but I still haven’t recovered.

Can you imagine the sales meeting where some bright young producer pitches the Big Brother concept?

Producer: So, here’s the deal, we stick twenty morons in a house.

Executive: Twenty morons in a house …and?

Producer: No, that’s it! Stick 20 morons in a house and people watch them.

Executive: Yeah, morons will watch them.

Producers: Yeah, but heaps of people who watch commercial television are morons!

Executive: Sold!!!! Make ten years worth of shows.

Bringing that kind of creative genius to life would be even harder to watch than the show itself. But if there’s nothing else on ...

Ant says bugger women’s magazines, he’d much rather learn about the birth of the greenie movement:
I didn’t and won’t watch Paper Giants, because even though good drama is good drama, the thought of sitting down to watch a program about women’s magazines is as repulsive to me as the thought of actually reading a women’s magazine.

Everything that is crappy about the media can be found in the pages of a women’s magazine, with the exception of humorous photo captions, which some women’s mags like NW do pretty well. Even then, men’s magazines do captions much better.

In fact, men’s magazines do a lot of things better than chick mags. Problem is, men don’t buy them. Not en masse like women buy women’s mags, anyway. Even really intelligent women seem to have an automatic reflex to pick up a trashy women’s mag at news-stands, even though – in fact precisely because – it will be full of the same drivel the last issue was full of.

Before working at The Punch, I worked on the men’s sports and lifestyle monthly Alpha, where we busted our gut to provide content which could be irreverent or serious, but which was always at least semi-intelligent. Most importantly of all, it was original. We never regurgitated.

That’s what really gets my hackles up about women’s mags. The endless regurgitation. Especially in mags like Cleo and especially now, with so many crucial feminist battles won.

The irony is that the women’s mags are now setting the course of feminism at full-speed reverse, bullying their readers into all sorts of fashion and lifestyle corners. Not exactly female empowerment.

Boy, that was a bit of a rant, wasn’t it? The bottom line is, Paper Giants was not for me. So what would I like to see a mini-series about the birth of? Easy.

I’d like to see a doco about the birth of the environmental movement in Australia. I’d like to see a good reconstruction of the campaign to save the Franklin River, the SE forests of NSW and more, to remind us all of a time when saving the Australian natural environment was the primary concern of Australia’s environmental party, quaint as that seems now.

Tory says one day they’ll dramatise the birth of The Punch:
What would you like to see, Punchers? What movements or organisations – political parties or media companies – would benefit from the Paper Giants treatment?

How about the birth of The Punch? Behind a door marked ‘Special Projects’ we see Penbo (who could play Penbo? Now there’s a riddle…) hatching this crazy plan for a website devoted to … conversation.

Over at Fairfax HQ grizzled subeditors hear rumours of this venture and scowl “It’d never work! Not enough gravitas!”… and three months later we’d have the sequel as National Affairs is launched…

Hmmm – maybe in another 20 years.

I reckon the next ‘Paper Giants’ should be the birth of Dame Edna Everage, who had a bit-more-than-a-cameo in Paper Giants. The trials and tribulations of beyond drag queenery, what Barry Humphries’ inspiration was, why he needed the blinged-up housewife character to give life to his satirical thoughts.

Over to you - what phenomenon would you like to get a backstage look at?

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    • Tabloid lover says:

      01:30pm | 20/04/11

      what about the Col Allan era at The Daily Telegraph in Sydney? You couldn’t get a more colourful, exciting and controversial period in Australian journalism - and all of the great stories. Now that would rate. it’d be gripping TV.

    • acotrel says:

      08:47pm | 20/04/11

      I really enjoyed the programme.  It handled the content about Kerry Packer delicately enough to avoid his lawyers , if he’d been alive.

    • Lucy says:

      08:48pm | 20/04/11

      Would be great television. Particularly the sink in the boardroom…....

    • richo says:

      01:33pm | 20/04/11

      I have to agree with everything Ant said in his rant. I was going to give more of my opinions on this issue, but he summed it up great.

      I would like to see a backstage look at the way Today Tonight and A Current Affair sensationalise everything. To be a fly on the wall in some of those meetings would be hysterical.

    • eddie says:

      01:54pm | 20/04/11

      What, you mean something just like frontline?

    • Gladys says:

      02:11pm | 20/04/11

      Every time there’s a diet story I think of Frontline.

      Or when they’ve both got similar stories on, the episode where Michael Moore is faxing the story list to A Current Affair.

    • acotrel says:

      10:18pm | 20/04/11

      I agree.  There must be some definite cynical attempt to manipulate public opinion.  That sensationalising stuff just cannot possibly be spontaneous? Ever heard of a bloke called Bernais?  Sigmund Freud’s nephew who inspired Joseph Goebbels!

    • fairsfair says:

      01:34pm | 20/04/11

      GMA - Australia needs to know what happened to Belvedere and Moira.

    • Gladys says:

      01:35pm | 20/04/11

      Ant: fooow! Park Street is a gripping fly on the wall account of women’s mags on Foxtel.

      I reckon the battle for media ownership in Oz - between Packer, Murdoch and the Fairfax family.

      But I am a media junkie.

      The birth of the Punch might be nice also.

    • Gladys says:

      01:37pm | 20/04/11

      I’ve been thinking, the guy who played Paul Keating in Hawke should play Penbo. But as he’s going to be playing Keating in my version of the media ownership stoush he might not be available.

    • fairsfair says:

      02:00pm | 20/04/11

      lol. I remember discussing who would play “onscreen Ant” after his story on that dude who got his arm jammed by that rock. I can’t remember who he asked for. As long as the mini-series centred around the days they decided to run those stories on Erick smile

    • Gladys says:

      02:12pm | 20/04/11

      Justine Clarke for Lucy. Suzi Porter for Tory.

    • Aitch says:

      02:02pm | 20/04/11

      I know, howsabout the Murdoch Dynasty? It’s only the biggest media empire on earth. Or if you wanted a narrower focus, what about the sacking of Bruce Guthrie and the subsequent high-stakes court case? It was one of the more sensational, more illuminating chapters in the News Ltd story. Bill Hunter would play Rupert, George Clooney could do a good Harto, Jackie Weaver as Christine Nixon, John Malkovich as Peter Blunden and Hugh Grant as Guthrie. Come to think of it, has anyone optioned Man Bites Murdoch?

    • Tubesteak says:

      04:42pm | 20/04/11

      Bill Hunter as Murdoch…..no.

      Bruce Gray. Google him - perfect match in looks and a great actor in that sphere (dignified ruthless elder statesman). He used to be an investment banker in Traders and did a few episodes on Queer as Folk.

    • Dan says:

      11:32am | 21/04/11

      I’m pretty sure someone has already penned a movie script for the inner workings of the Murdoch family/empire.

    • Dave says:

      02:02pm | 20/04/11

      Melbourne’s own Working Dog Productions set the standard with ‘Frontline’. The host, Mike Moore, was played beautifully by Rob Sitch. Perhaps we should be looking at the ABC’s biased Media Watch program and subject it to this flametorch of scrutiny.

    • Shane says:

      04:31pm | 21/04/11

      You had me Dave until this drive ... biased Media Watch program.
      Just because you don’t like what’s on there doesn’t make it biased.

    • Shane says:

      04:31pm | 21/04/11

      You had me Dave until this drivel ... biased Media Watch program.
      Just because you don’t like what’s on there doesn’t make it biased.

    • Tubesteak says:

      02:03pm | 20/04/11

      Jeebus Christ, people, you missed the obvious! The world’s biggest media tycoon/tyrant is an Aussie and his based was Australia: Rupert Murdoch.

      Something charting his rise would be good.

      I didn’t watch Paper Giants because a TV show about a woman with a lisp set in the 70s really doesn’t appeal to me. I also don’t see how you can put it next to Mad Men and it’s influence.

      Finally, Big Brother was imported from America who imported it from the Dutch so Lucy’s conversation would have gone more like

      #1: “There’s this show that went well in America”
      #2: Can we do it cheaply here?
      #1: I think so.
      #2: Do it.

    • Ben says:

      02:09pm | 20/04/11

      I’d like to see the Packer trend continue and see a show on the birth of World Series Cricket.

    • fairsfair says:

      02:27pm | 20/04/11

      I agree. He did hint at that in Paper Giants Ben. When he first presented his colour telly to Ita he said “imagine the cricket in colour”. A lot of men (and women) would go for that. It changed the way Australians think about sport, which I think had a lot of knock on effects.

    • Super D says:

      02:21pm | 20/04/11

      The birth of the Green movement would be an interesting doco and they could do a sequel on how the Green movement was co-opted by socialists.  Actually the sequel would be more interesting.

    • Knemon says:

      03:20pm | 20/04/11

      ...I agree, seeing that the world Green movement started in Australia (Tasmania), it would be a documentary well worth watching. Geoffrey Rush would make a wonderful Doctor Brown, I’m not so sure about Cate Blanchett playing Christine Milne though!

    • Gladys says:

      11:39pm | 20/04/11

      Wasn’t Ita’s response priceless. ‘Nod and smile’ she was thinking…

    • Rosie says:

      02:34pm | 20/04/11

      Paper Gaints took me back to the days when everything was so Australian without being over patriotic for the sake of it! I loved it!

      Ita Buttrose could never be surpassed as a role model for fair dickum Australian women! Extremely classy and to be admired.

      The Late Kerry Packer was the extraordinary Australian boss that I would I would love to work for. The mighty big fella in the world of cooperate finance who gave you the confidence that anything was possible. ( Very much lacking in today’s Australia ) He stood by what he believed in, had great energy, very human, a kind honest man that called a spade a spade. Rich as he was he could be one of the boys!

      The next series should be world cricket and how Mr Kerry Packer refined cricket! Can we please get to see cricketers like Dougie Walters, Thommo, Lillee etc. True Australians, you can also include Sam Neuman, Shane Crawford for AFL. I can think of heaps of men. Woman I just love Mr Murdock’s mother Elizabeth Murdock.

    • Arnold Layne says:

      02:44pm | 20/04/11

      I’d like to stick with the entrepreneurial theme.  How about the rise and rise (or sometimes fall) of Big Kev, Joyce Mayne, The Little Doers, Joe Hasham, Chris Marshall and John Cootes?  It could be made into a series.

      Series 2 could cover the rise of small time overseas celebrities moving to Australia and swarming over our Club Circuit, theatre and TV variety shows like ants to a picnic.  Ugly Dave Gray, Carol Raye, Johnny Pace, Chelsea Brown, Tommy Hanlon Jr, Stuart Wagstaff, Barry Crayton, Marcia Hines and so on. 

      It’d be must see TV.

    • Dave says:

      08:22pm | 20/04/11

      Who? Joyce Mayne? Little Doers? Chris Marshall? John Cootes? Carol Raye? Johnny Pace? Barry Crayton? Never heard of these people…

    • Shane From Melbourne says:

      02:46pm | 20/04/11

      Can’t do the birth of The Punch. Where would they get all the loons to play the posters?

    • DougB says:

      03:27pm | 20/04/11

      Easy one, are you, Erick & Persephone available on weekends?

    • Michael O says:

      03:34pm | 20/04/11

      Marrickville Council?

    • TugboatBen says:

      03:54pm | 20/04/11

      I think we should dust off Norman Coburn - aka the ever cranky Home and Away headmaster Donald Fisher to play Erick.

    • fairsfair says:

      04:46pm | 20/04/11

      ya reckon Screech from Saved by the Bell would cover TimB?

      lol - sorry TimB, your one of my faves, but you’ve pushed the NSW thing just too far! wink

    • Erick says:

      06:39pm | 20/04/11

      Actually it would be more realistic if I was played by Russell Crowe. cool smirk

    • Likes Joining Dots says:

      07:35pm | 20/04/11

      @Shane From Melbourne

      What a great question! I’d love to provide the answers, but my lawyer strongly advised against it.

      Do the ‘loons’ you mention have to be real actors or can we use fictional characters?

    • fairsfair says:

      07:40pm | 20/04/11

      Oh my god Erick - you’ve said that AND introduced a new emoticon. What can’t you do?

    • Erick says:

      08:24pm | 20/04/11

      @fairsfair - I’m just this guy, y’know?

    • bella starkey says:

      08:41pm | 20/04/11

      @fairsfair:
      Form meaningful relationships with the opposite sex?

    • fairsfair says:

      01:24pm | 21/04/11

      oooh thats a bit narky starkey!

      wink

    • ronda says:

      02:51pm | 20/04/11

      Harold Holt & Lyndon B Johnson please .

    • Rosie says:

      06:20pm | 20/04/11

      Absolutely!  That was a very interesting time to live through, it was probably the first time that young people defied both their parents and the government.  It was a bit scary too when the police picked you up on the way home from a demonstration and told you that ASIO had your photo and that you should behave from now on.

    • Different Rosie says:

      06:24pm | 20/04/11

      I’ve just submitted a comment on this, then I noticed there are comments from ‘Rosie’.  I’m a different Rosie.

    • nossy says:

      03:56pm | 20/04/11

      What a grreat show that was - I am in love with Asher Kedde - she was a star of Underbelly also - what a gel !  xxxx 0000 xxxx for you Asher from your devoted nossy !

    • Knemon says:

      04:13pm | 20/04/11

      ...get in line nossy!

    • Rosie says:

      04:52pm | 20/04/11

      How about the power grab of our first female PM. “The Bold & The Villain” It shouldn’t be too difficult to make as the facts are still very raw in our minds. Through Mark Latham, the kissy kissy former Labor PM Bob Hawke, the do whatever it takes Richo, faceless men the main one being Paul Howes. even Punch bloggers like Nosthow, Chongy etc Gosh so much to write about! Wayne Swan wallowing in a river of wastage budget during good economic times in Australia. Then again perhaps we should wait for a good ending!

    • nossy says:

      05:59pm | 20/04/11

      @Rosie - I hear ya Rosie - I could do my famous nude Zorba The Greek dance - oh yeah !

    • fairsfair says:

      01:25pm | 21/04/11

      I’ll dust off my magnifying glass in preparation Nossy wink

    • bev says:

      04:20pm | 20/04/11

      I watched it is was good television drama.  They probably bent the truth a little but that always happens.  Ita is cream she rose to the top like talented and natural leaders (men and women) mostly do (some do it by bastardry). 

      Does say something about the feminist drive for quotas etc though.

      I have been doing a bit of study about women serving in the Royal Navy at the time of Nelson (not feminist tracts).  There were women who served (one as long as 20 years)  mostly by hiding their femininity and acting as men (but not all).  Google Hannah Snell who served in the Royal Marines for two years and received a lifetime pension.  Others held quite important positions on board ship on merit.  Facinating stuff the point is they did it off their own back no quotas etc in what was a relentless male world.  They are recognized in official RN history and their contribution (though small) was not suppressed as feminists would have us believe.

    • Dick J says:

      04:50pm | 20/04/11

      I thought the show was great. The lady who played Ita Butrose is a real star and sexy to boot!

      It was great to see the old footage the cars, the smoking,  red rattlers , paperboys bodyshirts and hair.

    • Dick J says:

      04:50pm | 20/04/11

      I thought the show was great. The lady who played Ita Butrose is a real star and sexy to boot!

      It was great to see the old footage the cars, the smoking,  red rattlers , paperboys bodyshirts and hair.

    • Peter J Brown says:

      04:57pm | 20/04/11

      Next Year - Lang Hancock - Rose story - if anyones game!

    • Lucy says:

      08:57pm | 20/04/11

      Looks like the Packer/World Series Cricket sequel is going to happen…..but on Nine. http://bit.ly/gyEklC

    • stephen says:

      11:29pm | 20/04/11

      Ita used to tip her head back slightly when she talked, and she pushed out her voice.
      This, I think, is an effective way to talk down to someone, as if what she was saying was new, and her subject should, at this point, have their heads bowed.
      I’ve never found her at all interesting.
      Cleo was a make-up Mag : things about what girls have in their bag.

    • Jimmy Knox says:

      08:30am | 21/04/11

      I’d like to see a mini series made on the life of Stephen Kernahan - the greatest footballer, any code, that ever lived. His rise from the streets of Adelaide on to AFL premiership winning captain then to the President of Carlton Football Club would be an inspiring tale of loyalty and determination.

    • Greypower says:

      11:21am | 21/04/11

      The Fairfax story of the Sydney Morning Herald and how son Warwick trigically ruined it all. 

      How his mother was taken in by his ideas;

      A tragic story worth telling.

    • david says:

      11:35am | 21/04/11

      Get a grip. second part was atrocious, made KP look as intimidating as Daddy Warbucks and the decisions to bring Ita on the board was treated with the same importance as if they were hammering out the Marshall Plan.

      The attempt at character development of non-protagonists was shabby.

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      02:20pm | 05/05/11

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