Any day now I’m expecting to open the paper and see a man starring in a maternity shoot. The man, of course, would be the toast of Broadmeadows, 20 year-old Andrej Pejic, the it-boy model of the moment for whom so many international labels are clamouring.

Yes he is gorgeous, but where are the hips… Picture: AP

This beautiful boy, whose androgyny is so convincing he could easily pass as a beautiful girl, has this week featured in another swimwear campaign; this time for Aussie designer Nathan Paul.

The well-liked model – who from all accounts is a lovely guy—pronounced the range ‘’very virgin-like’’.

You may recall that last year, as well as being voted by FHM readers to be the 98th sexiest woman in the world (creepy), he rocked a lingerie shoot, thanks to a Dutch company, and a lovely fitted wedding gown on the catwalks of Paris, care of Jean Paul Gaultier.

So, surely all that’s left to conquer is maternity, and no doubt the prosthetics experts are overcoming any annoying anatomical hurdles to that right now.

But while I’m as happy for the success of our latest hit Aussie export as anyone (especially given his ability to overcome early-childhood in a Serbian refugee camp) I have had enough of fashion’s obsession with putting Andrej Pejic – or any other bloke—in women’s clothes that are marketed to women.

And not just women’s clothes; women’s poses – in one of the shots released this week Pejic had one hand coyly placed on the top of his hip, just like the girl swimwear models do to disguise any tiny hint of an unflattering line. Though of course, in Pejic’s case there is most certainly no miniscule saddle-bag to hide.

The most obvious thing wrong with so many style tsars deeming the striking - but clearly male - Pejic to personify the perfect woman, is that quite apart from his attention-getting value they deem his hip, butt and breastless shape to be the feminine ideal.

Talk about taking us backwards, what, about a dozen years?

Just as pioneering editors such as Italian Vogue’s Franca Sozzani are seeing their ground-breaking campaign to fight the eating disorder epidemic taking hold – as their use of more realistic-shaped models on covers and in high fashion spreads is emulated around the world – the men controlling much of fashion are falling over to get Pejic.

It seems flat out ironic that in the same week Sports Illustrated used a fuller-figure model (voluptuous Kate Upton) for the first time on its famed bikini cover, the hoo haa over Pejic’s latest swimwear shoot projects such a woman-unfriendly ideal from its origins in the novelty-loving, artsy-couture scene into the high-street mainstream.

In the US, women are celebrating the fact that a more enlightened, healthier ideal finally makes it to the cover of one of the highest-profile blokey mags. But here, the average girl on the hunt for togs is being told that to be hot and oh-so-now she must strive to look like Andrej.

As if young women need one more reason to starve and carve themselves.

Sure, Pejic “does” the ladies with a heap of style, but he can never do them justice. He is not a sexy woman, he’s a sexy man; and one, to his credit, who has admitted he needs to battle to stay thin enough to carry the illusion off.

I am not anti-gender bending for experimentation, or for art. And I’d hope I get the fun and flamboyance of our many classy drag acts as much as anyone – when female impersonation is done respectfully it is hilarious.

And of course I am quite comfortable with trans-gender models featuring in campaigns for women’s clothes.

The problem, though, is that as men posing as women is normalized to the point where dressing up as freakish females is a standard party trick for everyone from footballers on Mad Monday to VCE boys on muck up, the line between female impersonation and grotesque, and sexist, parody becomes worryingly blurred. Sadly, campaigns like Pejic’s, while they may be witty, can only help promote this degrading stunt as fine.

Gender impersonation, though it’s been around for years, is also highly in (again). Last year the MTC riled some dedicated theatre goers when it gave the key female role of in its hero production, The Importance of Being Ernest—Lady Bracknell, one of the great stage roles for women over 50—to Geoffrey Rush.

At another of the city’s theatre hubs, the Malthouse, Paul Capsis played the great women’s dramatic cabaret role: Jenny in Three Penny Opera.

The cleverness of both performances was noted, but for mine, when men are cast in roles written for women (as dinstinct, say, from the role of Edna Turnblad in Hairspray – written for Divine and played superbly here by Trevor Astley), call me pedantic but I believe it is hard to avoid a whiff of mockery.

Seeing the gifted Capsis stumbling on stage as the prostitute Jenny, clutching her abdomen having apparently endured assault, felt more than a little weird.

To its credit, the MTC has this year cast Robyn Nevin as King Lear - reportedly in part to address the imbalance among the genders in lead roles.  Whether the fashion forces pushing our Andrej as God’s gift to women’s bodies will keep at it is yet to be seen - hopefully not in maternity wear.

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    • SteveKAG says:

      12:05pm | 22/02/12

      You women have been coming into our world, the mans world for generations….......quit you whinging.

    • amy says:

      12:25pm | 22/02/12

      I dont see what that flamebait has to do with the article in question

    • Wynston Cruso says:

      12:34pm | 22/02/12

      Seeing as ‘quit your whinging’ is usually a feminist response to serious mens issues, I’m inclined to agree that they should indeed quit their own whinging, which is always about something trivial. Cry me a river ladies.

    • amy says:

      01:03pm | 22/02/12

      here’s an Idea

      why dont we all shut up

    • SteveKAG says:

      01:30pm | 22/02/12

      oh Amy, could you please?

    • Smidgeling says:

      02:36pm | 22/02/12

      What Steve has some merit- I’ve seen female models in men’s clothing ads actually wearing the clothes. Granted the implication was that she was wearing the clothes because she’d slept with the owner…but still.

      Get over it. If a woman is so screwed up that she’d believe straight men want an androgenous male model instead of her she is probably too screwed up to date the average straight male.

    • ByStealth says:

      03:55pm | 22/02/12

      I have little sympathy.

      If women can do historically male jobs such as serving on the front line in the military, being firewomen or even modelling male fashion, I don’t see why men can’t model female clothes.

      I thought the zeitgeist was that men and women are exactly the same except for ‘nurture’ factors. Unless you want to switch tunes and say that gender is a requirement in this particular job.

    • Robert Smissen of country SA says:

      08:31pm | 22/02/12

      @Bystealth “I thought the zeitgeist was that men and women are exactly the same except for ‘nurture’ factors” what does this mean? ?Are you falling for the feminist myth that mean aren’t nuturers? ? What rubbish! ! !

    • ByStealth says:

      11:47am | 23/02/12

      Personally I think men are very nuturing and vital in raising well balanced children.

      By nuture factors, I mean that many feminists believe that personality traits related to masculinity and femininity are totally impressed on children in their upbringing.

      For instance, you can dress your boy in pink summer dresses so he has the choice of not having to conform to predescribed gender roles. He will apparantly grow into a happy young man with a healthy respect for women and not turn out as a crazed transvestite serial killer on which the movie Psycho could have been based.

    • Tim says:

      12:13pm | 22/02/12

      It’s pretty obvious why this guy gets used a lot.
      I know it will come as a shock to a lot of people but:

      Most Fashion Designers Are Gay.

      Therefore, who better to model their clothes than a man that looks like a woman. They think it looks attractive.

      Never mind that most straight men thinks it looks horrible*

      *I think I just threw up in my mouth a little bit

    • Emma says:

      12:45pm | 22/02/12

      What a sad story it actually is. If that boy doesnt end up suicidal one day I will be surprised.

    • Peter says:

      12:52pm | 22/02/12

      Tim, spot on!  You’ve said it all, right there, mate.  Lol.

    • Rick of the Dustbowl says:

      12:55pm | 22/02/12

      No No I knew it was a bloke all along you can always tell by the size of their feet

    • Markus says:

      01:15pm | 22/02/12

      @Emma, yep, the poor guy must be so depressed that he will end up going home and jumping off the top of his giant pile of money.

    • gobsmack says:

      01:25pm | 22/02/12

      The problem with that theory is that the people that buy the clothes (or choose them) are women.
      Models are essentially clothes horses.  Their job is to make the clothes look good.

    • Blind Freddy says:

      01:28pm | 22/02/12

      That’s is also why the fashion industry typically use women that look like boys to model womens’ clothes.

    • Tim says:

      01:44pm | 22/02/12

      gobsmack,
      lucky that it’s so easy to manipulate women into wanting, needing and buying things then isn’t it?

    • Markus says:

      01:45pm | 22/02/12

      @gobsmack, nobody actually buys the clothes that catwalk models wear, especially not the ‘average’ woman.

      The stuff on display at these fashion shows is closer to wearable art than clothing, designed not for sale but to appease those within the elite fashion industry cliques.

    • iMitchy says:

      02:04pm | 22/02/12

      I think he is in such high demand because of the gimmick value. This guy gets people talking, for obvious reasons - there is the fascination with the uncanny - but for the most part they are talking about tolerance - that certain characteristics we would expect to cop discrimination instead being praised. To have him associated with your brand is priceless.

      It is also worth mentioning that he has said that he would undergo sex change surgery to get a spot with Victorias Secret.

      There is a certain irony to this guy as well, especially when people are of the same opinion as the author, but once again, it gets people talking.

    • S.L says:

      02:48pm | 22/02/12

      @Rick of the Dustbowl….you can’t always tell by the size of their feet!
      My ex is a size 16 and I’m an average 180cm and 95kg bloke. We could buy each other shoes as we have the same foot size and we even fit in each others jeans! Only thing different is she’s a D cup…........

    • morrgo says:

      07:47pm | 22/02/12

      Correction: a man who looks like an anorexic woman.  Frightening.

    • Clayton says:

      02:52pm | 16/03/12

      @ S.L.

      180cm and 95ks is overweight. Just because most people are overweight today doesn’t make it a good thing.

    • Gregg says:

      12:16pm | 22/02/12

      Just all too weird ain’t it but then there’re probably a lot of weirdos in the fashion and marketing industries with support from plenty of other weirdos it’d seem.

      Yep, give us the curvy voluptuous look anytime.

    • Emma says:

      01:05pm | 22/02/12

      See, girls? I would be surprised if one straight guy here said, he finds this look attractive. Real girls without dicks are still preferred option. So all is good. Whats for afternoon tea?

    • M says:

      01:33pm | 22/02/12

      (Speaking for myself and not for other males of the species hat on)

      I find skinny girls more attractive than fat girls. But skinny does not mean emaciated. Fat does not mean curves. There are size 6’s who are gorgeous because they are petite and their curves are in proportion and there are size 12’s who are gorgeous because their curves are in proportion. I like a girl with a bit of muscle on her, rather than the bag of bones look that seems to dominate the fashion walks. I’d hazard a guess that 90% of blokes would feel the same way.

      With regards to the article, This bloke being paraded around in womens clothes looks like an emaciated drag queen looking for a gig. Not even remotely attractive. He may be skinny and all but he’ll never get rid of the broad shoulders. He looks like a tranny. Not that there’s anything wrong with tranny’s, I just don’t find them attractive.

    • Danny B says:

      03:56pm | 22/02/12

      @M

      My thoughts exactly - fat or thin isn’t as much of a factor in attractiveness as proportion is.  How often do we see in the media images of female models/celebrities who’ve had their bosoms surgically enhanced?  It throws out the look of the rest of the body.

    • Andrew says:

      07:43am | 07/03/12

      There’s a relatively new book out by author ‘Seth Godin’. It’s titled ‘we are all weird’. There’s nothing normal about people these days Gregg.

    • Simonious says:

      12:10pm | 22/02/12

      There is a reason why they like him in this industry. I was told years ago that the fashion moguls like models who are thin and flat chested because they respresent their sexual preference. Youngs men/boys. So clearly he fits the bill and that is why they clamour pover themselves to use him.

    • A says:

      07:59am | 07/03/12

      It’s more of a standard sizing issue believe it or not. The thinner the less curves. They’re generally all the same height and size. They are the perfect ‘model’ size. Which means only one sample item of clothing is made in a size that fits all the other models. This reduces production costs. It reduces the need for drastic alterations. These things don’t cost $50 to put together.
      Models are clothes horses. Designers don’t want to work around models so models have to work around designers.

      So, if this guy fits the mold and he looks like a girl then fine. It’s only the inner circles that generally know anyway. I wonder how many people would have spotted it if they weren’t told?

    • A says:

      08:01am | 07/03/12

      It’s more of a standard sizing issue believe it or not. The thinner the less curves. They’re generally all the same height and size. They are the perfect ‘model’ size. Which means only one sample item of clothing is made in a size that fits all the other models. This reduces production costs. It reduces the need for drastic alterations. These things don’t cost $50 to put together.
      Models are clothes horses. Designers don’t want to work around models so models have to work around designers.

      So, if this guy fits the mold and he looks like a girl then fine. It’s only the inner circles that generally know anyway. I wonder how many people would have spotted it if they weren’t told?

    • Helen says:

      12:18pm | 22/02/12

      “Our” world isn’t male or female, SteveKag. That’s what “our” means.

    • Helen says:

      12:25pm | 22/02/12

      Honestly, many parts of this article are simply wrong, if the writer had just done a little research.

      Gender bending in drama? been going on for centuries. You have never heard of pantomime? Traditional drama in other cultures?

      Giving birth as the next frontier? Already been done, and it was in the news and everything. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Male_pregnancy

      I would agree with the premise that images of Pejic encourage women or girls to follow a cruelly inappropriate beauty standard, were it not for the fact that this issue has been around for a long, long time and Pejic has in no way created it. Therefore, to lump Pejic with this well-known phenomenon, which was probably being complained about when he was in nappies, reveals the transphobia which the writer denies.

    • iMitchy says:

      02:13pm | 22/02/12

      I don’t know, I think it could be good for self image. Why would a woman want to try to look like a man who looks like a woman? The fact that it is a man is a good indication that this is not what a woman should naturally look like….

    • Terri says:

      12:25pm | 22/02/12

      The quicker women learn that ‘media driven ideas’ such as a young man in swimsuits is ONLY to catch your attention and talk about there label/clothes/show the better.

      No heterosexual man or bi/lesbian woman (I left out gay men as they don’t find women attractive) in their right mind would think he is sexier then a normal Australian woman in a bikini!! Because he is not a woman.

      Oh and by the way i am a 23 year old woman who weighs 72Kg, i once weighed 110Kg and bought into the ‘skinny is sexy’ thing. But i grew up.
      If i can get over the stereotype ‘sexy’ image you can too.

      Get yourself some help if you think you need to look like this to be sexy. Real men love curves, end of story! Full stop.

      Can we please talk about something else now?

    • PW says:

      12:26pm | 22/02/12

      Nothing new about boys who look kinda like girls. Marc Bolan plied his androgynous looks very convincingly well over 40 years ago. David Bowie quickly, but not quite so convincingly, followed suit. Like Mr Pejic, neither tried to be anything they were not, they merely used what they had to create striking images.

    • AdamV says:

      12:28pm | 22/02/12

      Modelling has nothing to do with the “real world” or “real women”, any more than horse-racing represents the average pony. The world of fashion - and theatre, for that matter - is world that has about as much basis in reality as The Lord of the Rings.

      Models are like athletes - freaks of nature who hone their natural genetic gifts with a lot of hard work, often with dangerous or damaging results (whether injuries or eating disorders). Beer-bellied slobs don’t stand up and bellow that they should be allowed to play cricket for Australia, they just enjoy watching it. Fashionistas, apparently, can’t dream of looking at something without wanting to participate in it and demanding they be included at the highest level.

      For my money, high fashion is a freakshow. Anybody who wants to be part of it needs to be a freak.

      Finally, there seems to be a weird bit of contradiction in the points regarding gender-change in theatre. You’re in favour of gender-bending as long as they aren’t some vague definition of “disrespectful”? You are uncomfortable with men playing women but are “thankful” for women playing men? I mean, it’s fair enough you have these opinions, I just don’t see the consistency.

      My two cents, anyway.

      PS - I actually read an interview with this Andrej guy a while back where he claimed he worked hard to maintain a “female figure” and I had a bit of a chuckle. He does not have a female figure. Female models have a female figure by default, but even then it’s a minority body shape.

    • Melissa says:

      10:50am | 17/03/12

      Agreed. I think your two cents was very fair.

      I am a fit, healthy size 12 woman. I find the whole modelling/fashion industry a bit of a freak show. It certainly doesn’t make me feel threatened or insecure but I do feel for the neurotic women and girls who idealise a malnutritioned physique.

      I love gay boys and don’t find the image of a transgender model offensive at all. I would, most likely, find the price tag of the bandage-style designer swim suit he is wearing offensive… and I am not sure how the photoshoot would be recieved by the target market. When I look for swimwear inspiration, I like seeing a woman with proportionate breasts and hips and a bit of a waist so that I can extrapolate the dimensions out to my size and have an idea of what it might look like on me. In most cases, swim suit models do have curves so I don’t think we need to get too hysterical about a lanky transgender model representing the new female swimsuit model ideal. Beauty comes in all shapes and sizes but I believe its mostly represented by being happy, healthy, comfortable in your own skin and highlighting your best bits. Its really not as hard as the media makes it out to be.

    • Erick says:

      12:28pm | 22/02/12

      So it’s fine for women to take over traditional male roles, but it’s not okay for men to usurp traditional female roles?

      Selective equality strikes again!

    • Emma says:

      01:44pm | 22/02/12

      There is a difference though. If did a man’s job I would still be a woman and not pretend to be a man. And as you can see, noone here is seriously concerned about this “guy” or whatever he is.

      Apart from that: SMILE!

    • Ally says:

      02:28pm | 22/02/12

      Turn it up. This is a man who happens to look very feminine being used to model and sell clothing specifically designed for women to wear. For me, this would be like a blokely looking woman being used in an advertisement for prostate cancer awareness or something, not a woman being employed in a traditionally male job like mining.

      I usually think that you have a point, but you’re clutching at straws here.

    • Good Grief says:

      04:07pm | 22/02/12

      @Emma

      Well.. when you said “If did a man’s job I would still be a woman and not pretend to be a man.” that’s not completely true. There have been workplace changes over the last few decades to better suit a woman’s needs. For example, maternity leave.

      It would funny to see more men throwing a fit and demanding equal outcomes to model for female clothing. This means changes such as making bikini’s easier to fit on a man’s physique and awareness campaigns on “men don’t look stupid in women’s clothing”.

    • Hacksaw says:

      04:09pm | 22/02/12

      Erick sees everything through the prism of his paranoia. He has no ability to empathise nor to put himself in the shoes of another. Therefore his one sided views can largely be discounted.

    • iMitchy says:

      04:33pm | 22/02/12

      Erick did specify “roles”, not “jobs”. He has a very good point and the hypocrisy in these few paragraphs was plain as day.

      “The cleverness of both performances was noted, but for mine, when men are cast in roles written for women (.....) call me pedantic but I believe it is hard to avoid a whiff of mockery.

      Seeing the gifted Capsis stumbling on stage as the prostitute Jenny, clutching her abdomen having apparently endured assault, felt more than a little weird.

      To its credit, the MTC has this year cast Robyn Nevin as King Lear - reportedly in part to address the imbalance among the genders in lead roles.”

      Now THAT’S a double standard.
      You know how sometimes people say that feminists don’t stop at equality - they keep going? This is an example. The author is peeved that female roles have been given to men, however well they performed those roles, but she is delighted that a woman has been cast in a male role.

      Why does she not choose to laud or condemn both scenarios equally?

      And to that end, if Andrej Pejic is deemed to be just as good, if not better, at his job than women in the same industry, it would be blatantly sexist to deny him any opportunities that may arise on the basis that he is man.

    • Hacksaw says:

      08:15pm | 22/02/12

      And Erick would posted one of his usual rants about women taking over traditional male roles if this story had been about a woman pretending to be a man to sell mens clothes to men.

    • ByStealth says:

      11:53am | 23/02/12

      Yes he likely would have, but that is to point out the inconsistency of the feminist position regarding selective equality.

      Is it ok for both genders to fill traditional jobs that the other gender has dominated or not? As a man I get sick of seeing feminists push for women taking jobs in male dominated fields (eg the army) only because they resist men taking jobs in female dominated fields (modelling ladies clothes).

      If it was true equality they would support this bloke modelling clothes for girls rather than complaining.

      If women relieve themselves of their responsibilities under the old social contract between the genders, they must support men doing the same.

    • Davy says:

      12:31pm | 22/02/12

      It is interesting that women look at pics of women more, I think, than men. This goose is a bloke. The whip up the frenzy crowd are cashing in on a trend that will last a short time then fade. Personally I’m looking for the return of the fashion where women wanted to be women and men wanted to be men.Once upon a time it was how things were, not just a fashion.

    • Sizzle Chest says:

      12:32pm | 22/02/12

      Designers love this male woman because most designers are gay. Finally, a woman with no tits and a little-boy sized bum. He’s a dream come true for them.

    • Anna C says:

      01:39pm | 22/02/12

      You start to wonder why there are so gay men involved in designing women’s fashion if they so obviously don’t like women’s bodies that they resort to using this particular model.

      It’s insulting to women.

    • Emma says:

      01:49pm | 22/02/12

      Anna C

      Funny thought actually. It would make more sense to have straight men design women’s clothing, but as they prefer them naked, they might not see the need?

    • Erick says:

      02:54pm | 22/02/12

      @Anna C - Everything is insulting to women.

      @Emma - Spot on! Straight men spend a lot of effort trying to work out what’s under the clothes.

    • Markus says:

      03:28pm | 22/02/12

      Anna C, they’d love to be designing men’s fashion, but if the crap they palm off as women’s fashion is anything to go by, said designers would be very poor very quick.

    • Dene says:

      03:34pm | 12/03/12

      Why then, if all your insults are true, are they all mostly wealthy and very talked about, as in here. In most cases “Gay” designers design both men and women’s clothing and do very well on both sides.

    • Dene says:

      03:34pm | 12/03/12

      Why then, if all your insults are true, are they all mostly wealthy and very talked about, as in here. In most cases “Gay” designers design both men and women’s clothing and do very well on both sides.

    • AdamC says:

      12:33pm | 22/02/12

      Clothes look better on skinny women. The same goes for men. Swimwear and lingerie designers are only using someone like Pejic because he is a novelty.

      I really hope the next generation of Australian women do not take matters such as trivial as who wears the clothes in catwalk shows or magazine editorials as seriously as the current generation seems to.

    • Ally says:

      02:35pm | 22/02/12

      I think distinction needs to be given here. You can be thin but still have curves, ie discernable hips and breasts. Fashion designers tend to use thin models that have figures like twelve year old boys: no hips, straight waist and no breasts. I don’t know about you, but the vast majority of women I see, thin or fat, do not have figures like twelve year old boys.

      This is the issue that I take umbrage with, that they do not use models that are actually shaped like women and not boys.

    • skye5 says:

      03:28pm | 22/02/12

      @Ally, they use women who look like clothes hangers for that very reason, they want the clothes to be noticeable, not who is wearing them. Also, in high fashion the materials they use are extremely expensive (like hand made lace), so the less you use the more money you will make. It’s a business, not a feel-good competition, if it is bothering you then perhaps you have issues with your own self-esteem….

    • Ally says:

      03:54pm | 22/02/12

      High fashion is a different kettle of fish. None of the clothes they produce are wearable off the runway. I’m talking about ready to wear clothing. And I’m not saying that they should use fat models for other modelling, just models that are actually shaped like women. As I noted, you can be thin and still shaped like an actual woman, not a boy.

      As you say, it’s a business. Therefore you would think that they would want to show what their clothes look like on the people that are actually buying them?

    • Subi says:

      12:36pm | 22/02/12

      The fashion world have been idealising this form for quite some time now - the long, lanky, young male ‘ish’ body type. I don’t think it’s a case of Andrej looking female, it’s about the fashion world finally showing their true colours and being open about the form they consider ideal - which in reality is more male than female. I mean why else would a model (predominantly editorial and catwalk) need to be 5’9” and above, have no waist, hips, breasts - and a nice little addition lately of ears that stick out just a bit (again quite boyish?).
      As a woman though it assists me in making my purchasing choices, if those clothes flatter Andrej or the female models who resemble him then they are not made for me and I will buy elsewhere.

    • Craig Topping says:

      12:37pm | 22/02/12

      “And of course I am quite comfortable with trans-gender models featuring in campaigns for women’s clothes.” This whole article is you saying the exact opposite… Which is it? I also noticed no mention of women playing men either… so its ok for women to play men but not the other way round? who’s sexist now?

    • philip says:

      01:06pm | 22/02/12

      that person was still female on the inside so it doesnt really count as male.

    • Emma says:

      12:42pm | 22/02/12

      I actually like this development. It finally emphasises that this whole fashion thing has nothing to do with reality. And please dont tell me, anyone is seriously interested in freaks on sticks in unwearable clothes. Our life is centred around our families, work, the next holiday…. I have never heard a friend say “oh have you seen yesterday’s coverage of the fashion week where so and so had the revolutionary idea we should all wear jelly mustard with BBQ flavour this season”.

      Who really spends a single thought in their daily life on this freakshow?

    • lauren says:

      01:10pm | 22/02/12

      to say kate upton is a ‘fuller figured’ makes me laugh.

      She looks like her body is between skinny-to-normal size.

    • Budz says:

      01:18pm | 22/02/12

      Swimsuit models have always been hotter than runway models. I honestly wonder if there are more than 5% of straight males that disagree with this statement.

    • M says:

      01:42pm | 22/02/12

      I’d say she’s petite with freakishly big boobs for her size.

    • PsychoHyena says:

      05:47pm | 22/02/12

      KT I agree, but then can’t see the back, though at least her figure looks natural. @Budz I agree, swimsuit models tend to have better proportions, the bum and bust balance each other out.

      I think the use of the term “ideal female figure” in regards to Andrej is misleading, at least they should be saying “he’s the only person we could find that would model for a-cup women”.

    • Mahhrat says:

      12:51pm | 22/02/12

      What hope indeed?  Here’s a crazy thought:  Buy what is comfortable and you think what makes you look good, and stop worrying so much about what those around you think.

      It is incredibly easy to “look good” without being “fashionable”.  Goths do it on a frequent basis, for example.

      Let me ask you this:  Why is it that we always have to “shrink” to fit into things?  Why can’t they also be too big? 

      The answer is, “Because making you hate yourself = $$$$.”  Just ask organised religion.

    • Emma says:

      01:07pm | 22/02/12

      Generally yes, but I dont think Goths look good. They look unemployable.

    • Nafe says:

      02:20pm | 22/02/12

      Emma, 100% agree,

    • GregE says:

      12:54pm | 22/02/12

      Equality means equality I guess.

    • jg says:

      12:59pm | 22/02/12

      I actually like my women to look like, well, women.

      But each to their own I guess….

    • jg says:

      01:00pm | 22/02/12

      I actually like my women to look like, well, women.

      But each to their own I guess….

    • Chris (the male type) says:

      01:03pm | 22/02/12

      I cant believe I am even entering this discussion, because it confuses me so much. But HE (see still don’t get it) has no BOOBS all females I know have them, its pretty much part of being a female last time I checked.

      How is what he displays attractive at, maybe to someone with a weird perspective of the world. But I would say most normal people, ie non fashion people just see it as strange.

      But as I said I’m pretty confused on this matter.

    • Timbo says:

      01:12pm | 22/02/12

      @Wendy Tuohy - Do you really think we are that stupid?  It’s no secret that Andrej Pejic is a BLOKE who models women’s clothes. He’s no more a threat to the “feminine ideal” (whatever that is) than gay marriage is a threat to my heterosexuality. 

      He’s a bloke. That models womens clothes.  He’s not a woman.  Get it?

      Territoriality over gender is a fruitless endeavour. 

      It seems that when someone rises to prominence every now and again for being a man who dresses like a woman we see the same flurry in the media.  Remember the fuss over Boy George in the 1980s?  Back then the story was all about whether or not he was gay.  The story being pushed about Our Boy From Broady is about whether or not he challenges someone’s definition of womanhood. 

      Sometimes I think feminism needs to put its big boy pants on.

    • Terri says:

      02:02pm | 22/02/12

      Agreed.

      Who cares what ‘he’ wears? It doesn’t make anyone, anywhere any less of a woman.

      Next topic please…

    • fairsfair says:

      01:15pm | 22/02/12

      Its far too hipster for my tiny mind to even handle. What woman wants to look at a swimsuit catalogue and see a man modelling the togs? I found this article hard to even read. I find that boy harder to look at.

      I agree with Tim though. This is the designer jackpot. A man who fits their feminine ideal… Someone who can wear their clothes and that they can actually have sex with.

    • Loz says:

      02:21pm | 22/02/12

      He cant be much of a man if he can get away with wearing those skimpy, tightly fitting swimsuits. Or its incredibly cold.
      ugh, I feel nauseas…..

    • Innocent says:

      08:00am | 17/04/12

      You just tuck it away. Too easy.

    • Kika says:

      01:21pm | 22/02/12

      I don’t really think he makes any woman offended. High fashion is designed and run by gay men who have been designing women’s clothes, for men’s bodies, for years. It’s the fashion. The 90s were about women - think Claudia Schffier, Naomi Campbell, Elle McPherson, Cindy Crawford. These girls were tall yes but they looked like women. They had curves. These days fashion is designed for tall skinny boyish looking girls with alien cheekbones.  And it just so happens that this dude fits the bill perfectly. He doesn’t look like a female to me and I don’t know how anyone could think otherwise.

    • Testfest says:

      01:42pm | 22/02/12

      And now I can finally agree wholeheartedly with something Kika has said…

      Wendy - as numerous people have already commented, the fashion world is not representative of the feminine ideal in any way, shape or form. Why on earth would you be looking for it there? That’s like looking to North Korea for the ideal way to run a country.

    • Markus says:

      02:13pm | 22/02/12

      Catwalk modelling has always been about tall skinny boyish looking girls with alien cheekbones, especially in the 80s and 90s.
      The models you listed, prior to achieving Supermodel status, were primarily swimsuit models.

      You can hardly accuse current big name models like Megan Gale, Miranda Kerr and Tyra Banks of looking like men.

    • Kika says:

      02:37pm | 22/02/12

      Yep - and being swim suit models before being high fashion would indicate that they’ve got shape to fill in a bikini! Has Agnes Deyn ever done a swim suit caldendar? I doubt it. Tyra started out in the 90’s. She’s definitely part of the first crowd I mentioned. Megan would have cut the bill then too. She’s fairly meaty compared to some of them. Miranda? I don’t know. She’s on the thin side. I reckon you wouldn’t see her if she stood sideways.

    • Tubesteak says:

      01:27pm | 22/02/12

      I always thought this was about the novelty factor: eg “ooohhhh a man that looks like a woman! Quick get him onto the catwalk/covers and get people looking at the freakshow. Maybe they’ll buy my stuff”.

      I never thought people were holding him up to be the ideal female beauty.

      Women that are obsessed with being the ideal female beauty cause more problems for themselves because they are obsessed with using that to catch the perfect man. They never realise that the perfect man has a thousand women he can bed so won’t be interested in settling down with just one. If the girls understood their limitations and lowered their expectations they’d be better off.

    • Emma says:

      01:51pm | 22/02/12

      Same goes for men. Saying they cant find a woman, but overlooking 90 % of them

    • James1 says:

      03:34pm | 22/02/12

      “They never realise that the perfect man has a thousand women he can bed so won’t be interested in settling down with just one.”

      If he weren’t interested in settling down, then most women (aside from prostitutes) will not consider him to be the perfect man, any more than most men would consider a promiscuous woman or a prostitute to be perfect. 

      Then again, I am a big fan of Stoic philosophy, so my idea of a man is a little different from most of my contemporaries, as it engages a quaint old concept called “honour”.  After all, perceptions of perfection are highly subjective.

    • Condor says:

      08:23pm | 22/02/12

      Women always want to be the one that changes the man. It makes them think they’re more special than all the other women and therefore better than them.

    • Vince says:

      01:31pm | 22/02/12

      So Pieman, I take it from your bizarre, wildly off-topic posting that you are indeed like me and a big fan of the ladyboy! Welcome to the club buddy - see you on the shemaletube chat room.

    • Josephine says:

      01:32pm | 22/02/12

      Well if the designer’s aim was to draw attention to his product, then he has succeeded. Nor am I concerned with a male adult model in women’s clothes, as already mentioned in a previous comment, equality of the genders should work both ways.

      Pre-teenage girls modelling adult women’s clothes I do have a problem with. There should be an age limit.

    • The Free says:

      01:34pm | 22/02/12

      So just to get this straight, men dressing up as women is insulting because it’s stereotyping “women”.

      *Brain stem snaps off*

      Am I the only one who can’t find a word in the dictionary meaning hypocritical Irony?

      Gee women’s problems are just immense aren’t they?

    • Anna C says:

      02:08pm | 22/02/12

      When men dress up as women it’s a bit sad and weird but but when women dress up as men it’s called Armani.

    • Emma says:

      03:40pm | 22/02/12

      The Free

      Could you just for a secong pay respect to our amazing female ability to see and create problems whereever we look? It is quite time and energy consuming, which is why we dont have any time or energy left for sex. And when you then gently ask for sex, you draw our attention to you and then you become the focus of our problem creating brains!

      Crazy, hey?

    • Tony says:

      01:36pm | 22/02/12

      Well this comment is never going to see the light of day but I’ll feel better for saying it!  Here it is ‘They don’t call the fashion industry the Fag Trade for nothing!  The fashion world is controlled by gay fashion designers, not that there’s anything wrong with that, but they appear to choose models that appeal to them.  Am I not homophobic by the way.  But why else are these models chosen? For the female readers, I don’t think so. For the average male reader?  Don’t think there are any.  My point is this WOMEN NEED TO RECLAIM THE WOMENS FASHION INDUSTRY.  I don’t know about you girls, but as a man I would rather see some real women. So how about it ladies go take charge!!

    • Bolz says:

      01:41pm | 22/02/12

      Being a hetro guy, I quite enjoyed looking at pictures of swim suit models…. until now!

      That swim suit model has man junk…....noooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

    • Elphaba says:

      01:48pm | 22/02/12

      He looks no different from the skinny girls that these designers use.  The fact that they’re modelled by a man will not stop women buying them.

      What’s the problem?  Sounds like a whole lot of griping to me. I reckon most of the stuff modelled in these shows is freakin’ ugly anyway - I don’t care who wears it, so long as I don’t have to.

    • Al says:

      01:53pm | 22/02/12

      Sorry but I have to say:
      No breasts to speak of, no real hips, not attractive as a ‘woman’.
      The fact that he has a penis would also be a turn off if I could see it, but even not considering that the comment still stands.
      A women who looked like the above would not be attractive to me on the basis they don’t appear to be a women.
      For a women to be attractive to me I want them to appear as a women and also have brains and a personality to complement it!

    • SLF says:

      01:55pm | 22/02/12

      OMG its the Crying Game all over again…..

      Feminists get on with fixing this and getting attractive, nubile women back into Australia swimsuit modelling industry.

      Somethimes the internet does not add value to my life. Until recently i had never heard of and had no knowledge of Jedward, Justin Bieber or Andrej Pejic.

      My life is not richer for this knowledge, if anything it is considerably poorer.

    • Kerryn says:

      02:35pm | 22/02/12

      The big question - is he single? tongue laugh

    • stephen says:

      02:45pm | 22/02/12

      Um, I’d like to know that when he/she’s in a bikini, where does his, um, thingy go so’s it don’t look like he’s got a turtle in his jocks ? (you know, with the little head poking out .)
      He can’t tie it round his waste, (and if he can, he gets 10 out of 10 from me) he can’t push it down a hole, (that’s only a 4 out of ten, though for him it may be a 10) and if he pokes it down from whence it came I’d reckon that’s why our sweetheart can sit with his legs crossed for 20 minutes non-stop at an interview.

      I squirm when I see it.
      I’ve just got too much respect for the female form.
      And what comes with those lines is the feminine voice.
      All in a package ... but this bloke’s like Andy Gibb driving a Kenworth, eg. a hodge-podge of reality, but the only thing about it that would please me is if he revealed that he was being nominated as a Greens Senator at the next election.
      Now THAT would get me back to political discourse.

    • Eda says:

      04:00pm | 22/02/12

      My mother took me to see Danny La Rue (female impersonator) many years ago.

      I don’t remember much about the show, but remember enjoying it , the skimpy outfits and Danny La Rue, saying to the audience, ‘I know what you are all thinking, ‘just where oh where does he put it’, lol. 

      Forget the Greens, he should ask Alexander Downer for the fishnets.

    • stephen says:

      04:27pm | 22/02/12

      I’d still like to know what happened to Malcolm’s pants, and if I get back to America if I can get into the same sort of trouble.

    • Miles says:

      02:58pm | 22/02/12

      Doesn’t matter what you hang it on as most of the ‘catwalk fashion’ produced these days is utter crapola!!

      The fact that they now have a man modelling rags ‘designed’ for woman has pushed the ‘industry’ out even further into insanely stupid territory.  If only all the easily led female sheep didnt’ buy into it.

    • Dude says:

      03:12pm | 22/02/12

      That hot chick’s a dude?.......Aw man. :(

    • EmmaH says:

      03:18pm | 22/02/12

      I all reality, I’ve skipped pretty well every comment preceeding me. Not out of pigheadedness, but purely because a history of bothering has led me to believe that it is a complete waste of my time. Few aside it is usually the same trolls, day in day out, spouting the same garbage dressed up as social commentry. This is not a political debate - leave it out.

      Now that I’ve gotten that off my chest…

      I think the author has missed the point of the feminine “ideal”. I myself am a curvy sized 10 woman with big breasts and an arse-hip ratio to match. A very good friend of mine is fairly flat-chested, straight up and down and sports a “boyish” haircut. Who’s more feminine? Neither. I’m tired of hearing that anything above a size 10 is a “plus size”, (RUBBISH) and that “stick figures” aren’t in any way sexy. Curves or not, the “ideal woman” is the one who loves, cherishes and flaunts her body regardless. I personally, having many transgender and cross dressing friends, applaud the use of such a model. It shows that we should never pigeon-hole what is considered sexy, and instead celebrate all “women”, even if we don’t deem them anatomically correct.

    • Tim says:

      03:41pm | 22/02/12

      You’re wrong,
      Stick figures, models that look like young boys and transgendered men are not sexy*

      This has been a public service message brought to you by the Male Heterosexual Society of Australia.

      *OK maybe they are for some people but they’re sick weirdos with strange fetishes.

    • Bolz says:

      03:47pm | 22/02/12

      “I myself am a curvy sized 10 woman with big breasts and an arse-hip ratio to match.”

      This is getting good! Keep going!

    • Tony says:

      04:02pm | 22/02/12

      I think the point that the author intended to make was that a lot of women feel then need to look like this.  Since ‘this’ is actually a teenage boy, it is an unrealistic body image to be portrayed to woman as what they need to look like.  I take you point about a range of body types being as appealing as any other.  But the big issue here is the damage this type of unrealistic image does to a lot of woman who don’t have your obvious high self esteem.  There is a major social problem with young women doing themselves serious harm to try and look like this.  This is social irresponsible, it almost says ‘since only a teenage boy is pretty enough then by default all women are ugly’.

    • PsychoHyena says:

      05:51pm | 22/02/12

      @Tim your argument is blown out of the water by him making the 100 hottest women list. A lot of the outrage from that was men who had pleasured themselves looking at his pictures without knowing it was a guy. So yeah he does appeal to some heterosexuals.

    • Tim says:

      07:32pm | 22/02/12

      Psycho Hyena,
      Did you read the last sentence of my comment?

      And even then I know men who’ve pleasured themselves to pictures of salami because it looked like arse cheeks. Doesn’t make them sexy.

    • Nathan says:

      08:53pm | 22/02/12

      Bravo Emma. I’m sick of people harping on about “real women”. All women are real women, regardless of their body type.

    • skye5 says:

      03:31pm | 22/02/12

      Where has it been said that he is the ‘feminine ideal’. Fashion labels do not dictate how you should feel about your own body. If the opinion of some vapid fashion designer across the other side of the world is how you decide what you should look like, it is you who has the problem.

    • Nyx says:

      07:39pm | 23/02/12

      Thank you skye5 that’s exactly what I was thinking…

      This kis is NOT being held up as the ‘feminine ideal’. He’s doing his job as a walking (or posing) coat hanger for these high fashion items that 99% of women would never have any desire to wear. The object of attention is the item of clothing, not his curves or lackthereof.

      If you see this and think ‘oh, that’s how I’m supposed to look’ that shows a deep seated issue on your part, not society’s.

      I don’t see this and think that i’d be a better looking woman if only I didn’t have big boobs and a curvy butt…I see this and think ‘fashion, I just don’t get it.’ And that’s not because of the model, its because I’m a jeans and t-shirt sort of girl.

      Seriously, not everything is a big conspiracy against women. It says far more about your issues (the writer of the article) than society’s view of women.

    • Karl says:

      03:53pm | 22/02/12

      this is sad for this happen, no longer can tell a diffrent between and man and woman. :....(

    • The Captain Coach says:

      04:15pm | 22/02/12

      Burn a man’s sausage and you sizzle his brain.

    • Tchom says:

      04:17pm | 22/02/12

      I still don’t understand the problem. A man dressing as a woman makes women feel insecure? How fragile is your self esteem?

    • LJ Dots says:

      06:45pm | 22/02/12

      @Tchom, agreed and I’ll add this to your post.

      If women seeing this ad feel compelled to look more like Andrej then it also stands to reason that men are also under the same duress to look more like Andrej, an equally difficult task regardless of sex.

      I’m not going all men’s rights here, but I honestly don’t get the complaint. It’s advertising, it’s marketing, it’s gimmicks. Take from it what you will.

    • John says:

      04:21pm | 22/02/12

      Women are not as intelligent as men, Feminism encourages stupidity. The elite know this and this why they fund, market and push feminism. Men created civilization, they created the master race. Women on the other hand are the destroys of both of everything that is beautiful, moral and good. 

      The Y chromosome of some men is basically god like, women are nothing but up engineered chimps, their ancestors never created any civilization, all their ancestors did was submit to the biggest monkey in the forest. The current men and women on this planet are not entirely family, women came from chimps, some male races came from advanced civilizations from other planets. This why X chromosome tends to date back further, then the Y chromosome, because the current men and women never evolved together. This is why there is no understanding between the species. One is primitive, chase’s criminals the other frowns on criminals.

    • stephen says:

      04:47pm | 22/02/12

      Mate, has your sausage been burnt ?

    • PsychoHyena says:

      07:17pm | 22/02/12

      WTF? Okay men AND women are equally responsible for the destruction caused throughout the world. If men come from alien races then maybe we should go back to where we came from given that we are illegal immigrants to this planet.

    • SKA says:

      04:48pm | 22/02/12

      I’m not offended by Andrej modelling women’s clothes - I do find it a slightly strange choice though if they really want to sell the clothes. If I’m looking at an advertisement to buy clothing, I’m typically more interested in clothing where the model has an, albeit generally thinner, more similar shape to me so I can get an impression of how it might in turn sit on my shape (and no I’m not stressed about the size of the model otherwise, I’m petite myself but not boyish in shape so don’t really care if they are bigger or smaller weights as long as I can get an impression of how the fabric might drape over hips etc..). Using Andrej is obviously a lot about shock factor to get people talking about brands. I think he is smart to milk it while this is happening, the designers will move onto the next big thing soon enough. I’m sure he isn’t going to end up in maternity mags - think about it, when was the last time high end designers even gave pregnant ladies or in fact even older non-pregnant ladies a second glance?

    • Craig2 says:

      05:38pm | 22/02/12

      Well, it’s pretty fucked up in my book. Enough said.

    • willie says:

      05:48pm | 22/02/12

      hopefully this guy will make women realise most catwalk models look like skinny men and are not attractive. if you want to see attractive models look for target catalouges

    • James Hunter says:

      07:39pm | 22/02/12

      Real women have breasts and bums and waists. these stick figure models are hideous and real men do not like them.
      Ruben had it right.

    • Mark/Fox says:

      07:51pm | 22/02/12

      Gross. Its amazing even looking at a photo how you can pick up a mental. I would rather look at a women who was overweight than look at this thing. Lucky they did not do the photo shoot on the bonnet of a truck, the poor old truckie would of woke up thinking ” I dont remember running over that last night ”

    • Mark/Fox says:

      07:52pm | 22/02/12

      Gross. Its amazing even looking at a photo how you can pick up a mental. I would rather look at a women who was overweight than look at this thing. Lucky they did not do the photo shoot on the bonnet of a truck, the poor old truckie would of woke up thinking ” I dont remember running over that last night ”

    • Zac says:

      10:49pm | 22/02/12

      “What hope for women when the feminine ideal has a penis”

      What hope for women when “feminism” was all about “penis”. 

      The idea of “feminism” was/is to replace “feminity” with “masculinity” - become like a man and then put man in his place - hence the hatred of men is the outcome of “feminism”.  Feminine ideal is anathema to feminists. Are you some conservative or what. Most of the jurnos subscribe to Atheist-Commie ideology. So I am surprised you talk about feminity.

    • Lori says:

      07:10am | 23/02/12

      Strange advertising idea. Women, buy these expensive clothes to attract men who fancy boys???
      Bikinis are clothing for industrial window cleaners?
      Hilarious and silly. Serves them right if no-one buys their goods.

    • Joan Bennett says:

      12:04pm | 23/02/12

      Well, “women’s” clothes don’t seem to fit women anymore.  Since the early 1990s, trousers and skirts don’t go in at the waste like women do, so I’m not sure why they are sold as for women.  This guy only goes in slightly at the waste, so I’m sure women’s trousers and skirts fit him beautifully.  I wonder why fashion designers hate females so much.  It’s quite pathological, when you think about it…  If anyone with a psychology degree and expertise in the area of mysogyny could shed some light on this, that would be great.

    • Zac says:

      02:32pm | 23/02/12

      Can’t wait to hear from a tax payer funded leftist misogyny expert…. And by the way what do these self declared experts living on public purse call people of south west “bogans”. Any experts out there on “hypocrisy”?

    • Eat Your Greens! says:

      06:09pm | 13/04/12

      Oops…

      Sorry, From the headline, I thought that this must have been ANOTHER article about the change in the Greens leadership.

      Then again, maybe it is?

 

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