One thing is surely beyond question in today’s health debate – Tony Abbott will turn up on time.  The bigger issue is however – what will he talk about? 

We know you look after your own health, what about everyone else? Picture: Ray Strange

While it is clear health will be a key battleground in the coming Federal Election, the Opposition’s plans for our health system remain shrouded in mystery.

The Rudd Government believes in the need for health reform.  Immediately after taking office we got to work to address the problems in the system.

Concrete, tangible improvements include 50 per cent funding increase for our health and hospitals system and, in a Commonwealth Government first, the direct investment of $600 million to deliver 62,000 elective surgeries, build new operating theatres and buy more equipment for 125 hospitals.  We’ve also given specific grants to upgrade the Emergency Departments at 37 hospitals.

We made the decision to directly fund these improvements because the need for action was clear.  I am sure that the 60,000-odd Australians who got their elective surgery do not care where the funding came from – they’re just glad they’re not waiting any more.

And that’s what’s motivating us on health reform – delivering better health and better hospitals for all Australians.  In a little over two years we’ve shown that we’re prepared to take a new approach and do what needs to be done to make a difference in health.

In contrast, the Opposition had twelve years in Government but did not lift a finger to reform our health and hospital system.  Mr Abbott is even on the record arguing against the need for reform.

What they did do in that time however was cap GP training places, cut a billion dollars from our hospitals and ignore our nurse shortage, but those ideas aren’t going to help our health system now, just as they didn’t help then.

Like a bull stomping around a china shop, Tony Abbott cannot be trusted with our health system.

With twelve years in Government under his belt - and four as Minister for Health, Mr Abbott had his chance to make meaningful, system wide reforms.  He ignored it.

It’s hard to take the man as a serious contender for Prime Minister when he can’t manage to even come up with a plan for one of the most pressing issues facing our community – health reform.

Already Mr Abbott has blocked $2 billion in savings that we could use to invest in more doctors, nurses, hospital beds or medications, is blocking the establishment of a Preventative Health Agency, and is stopping the Government from shutting down a dental scheme he set up that is being rorted and preventing thousands of needy Australians from receiving dental care.

Perhaps today Australians will be let in on what Mr Abbott plans for our health system if he were elected, or if the Opposition will stand in the way of our planned reforms.

The Rudd Government’s plan tackles the major structural problems with the current health system by establishing a National Health and Hospitals Network that is nationally funded, and locally run.

Currently, we have eight different systems operating across Australia’s state and territory borders with different funding sources and inconsistent reporting and standards.

Taking on the majority funding responsibility for public hospitals will bring an end to the blame game over hospital funding and the provision of services.

Under Mr Abbott’s watch, the federal contribution to our hospitals declined to 35%. Under our plan, 60% of all hospital services and capital expenditure will be paid out of the federal purse, with the remaining amount paid for by the States. This will provide the system with a sustainable funding base, and clear lines of responsibility.

This approach was recommended by the expert National Health and Hospital Reform Commission.  Contrary to some beliefs, the Reform Commission did not recommend the structural upheaval of an immediate 100% funding and operational takeover of hospitals.

Another key feature of the Government’s reform plan is the move to efficiency based funding.  The Productivity Commission estimates that some hospitals could be operating 20% more efficiently, which is why we propose to establish an independent umpire to determine the appropriate efficient price for each hospital service.

This would take into account the extra cost of delivering services in remote locations, assuring rural and regional hospitals of a sustainable funding base, despite their extra operating expenses.

This will reduce waste and inefficiencies and ensure more services are provided, with taxpayers getting better bang for their buck.

Local Hospital Networks will be established to run small groups of hospitals engaging the expertise of doctors and nurses and ensuring services for a particular region are planned locally. This will break down the duplication that arises from hospitals operating independently of one another, reduce bureaucracy and deliver more services.

The Commonwealth will use its position as the majority funder to impose strict national standards and reporting requirements, which mean no matter where care is delivered, every patient is assured of the same high standards, plus take on 100% of all funding for primary health care. Supporting these front line GP services will take pressure of our hospitals.

This week we announced the second plank in our reform plans: to invest $632 million to train 6000 new doctors, the lifeblood of our health system.

This is just a taste of the Rudd Government’s comprehensive strategy to reform our health and hospital system, and there is more to be announced.

Last year the Opposition health spokesperson Peter Dutton said it all when talking about reform he remarked, “we have already spent the last twelve months working on a page.”

It’s going to take more than a single page to fix our health system.  We have a comprehensive plan, backed by the AMA, Nurses Federation and Consumers Health Forum.  This is the plan that will deliver Australians the better health and better hospitals that they deserve.

Today Mr Abbott must stop ducking and weaving and either back the Government’s comprehensive plan or reveal his mysterious alternative.

We can’t afford to risk handing our health system back to Tony Abbott.  We need careful, considered reform, we need it now, and Mr Abbott’s record shows he’s simply not able to deliver on that need.

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    • ChrisG says:

      05:59am | 23/03/10

      How ‘second tier leader’ does Obama’s success in major reform, after just on a year in office and facing the tortuous US system, make our PM’s health reform record look!

      And to correct the statement in this piece, the proposed reform is not for “nationally funded, locally run” hospitals, but for jointly funded, region-based governance, and we are yet to see the ‘camel’ that comes out of the negotiation process on how the federal, state and new ‘network’ bureaucrats will actually work in forcing an ‘efficiency’ model on local doctors, nurses and administrators.

      The Government, has in its first two years, only done what it finds easy when faced with the need for reform - throw money at the problem. As an election nears, and realizing it might have to go to the election with the same health reform promise it took last time, it has cobled together a proposal that combines a bribe to desperate States of more federal funding, a network system that could end up no better than NSW Health area councils, and a funding model taken from Jeff Kennet’s reform period.

    • Formersnag & swinging voter. says:

      07:30am | 23/03/10

      @ Chris G, actually, its even worse than that. This is a rehash of the system introduced into QLD by them in the early 90’s. That’s right premier Wayne Goss, Bureaucrat #1 Kevin Rudd & State Secretary Wayne Swan. Introduced local area hospital boards.

      Radically increasing the number of bureaucrats in QLD health. They could not, of course make any decisions without deferring to head office anyway, who also were not interested in hearing bad news. Together with slashing the medical schools by Hawke & Keating this is what lead directly to Dr Death from Blunderberg.

      The existence of the local area board & its inability to control its own destiny, was an outcome or recommendation, of the “Dr Death from Blunderberg inquiry”. How will it be better, to have the board still, answerable to state bureaucrats but federal bureaucrats as well?

      This is just another exercise in “blame shifting” or getting responsibility away from politicians. Lets have a local board & public hospital in every federal electorate with the local member as chairman of that board & responsible for the patient outcomes of every patient living in their electorate.

      Get all “Polly” staff stooges or “Galahs” off the net.

    • Jonathan Appleyard says:

      08:02am | 23/03/10

      Well spotted. Another Labor lie that Nicola is trying on, just like the $1bn Abbott apparently “ripped out” of public hospitals.

    • persephone says:

      07:57am | 23/03/10

      Abbott’s proposal - the introduction of local boards - doesn’t solve any of these problems.

      Under Rudd, yes, the hospital networks will be locally run, not regionally based, because it won’t be just hospitals in the network, but public dentistry and other related health services. Most country towns I know have several health organisations, by and large working independently, each with their own management structure.

      This will bring them together, so that they deliver more co ordinated (and thus less costly and more efficient) services on the ground.

      A condition of the proposed funding arrangements is that bureaucracy not increase, with the PM suggesting that bureaucrats should move out to work in the networks rather than sitting in capital cities.

      And of course this has taken time - the PM and Health Minister have been out there, talking with health professionals and other hospital staff across the country.

      The other advantage of a network over a board is that it means the network has more grunt - this means it can raise issues more forcefully than a board representing only one hospital can do.

    • Jay Santos says:

      08:17am | 23/03/10

      “...The other advantage of a network over a board is that it means the network has more grunt - this means it can raise issues more forcefully than a board representing only one hospital can do….”

      Yes, because committee’s have proven to be far more effective, streamlined and expeditious in their strategic planning and execution.

      Spoken like a true (wannabe) bureaucrat.

      Next.

    • ChrisG says:

      08:49am | 23/03/10

      persephone, I’ve worked in the NSW Health system, and had involvement in local hospital boards and area health council structures

      simply asserting that a proposal will not increase bureaucracy doesn’t mean it won’t - I suspect the hubris when current bureaucrats claim that they won’t make the same mistakes others ot they have made before

      secondly, the proposed network is apparently going to be geographically not single site based, which raises questions about the meaning of ‘local’ for all who can’t interpret spin.

      And if you think that bringing/adding other health/care services and professionals (eg, dentists) into decision-making processes is going to improve those processes, you need more experience working with health professionals and health bureaucrats.

    • little annie says:

      08:59am | 23/03/10

      Get off the grass Peephone, this health plan of Rudds is another back of the envelope panic as with all this governments decisions. Nobody can get any detail 70 pages of mostly spin is the total background to his hospital plan. Queensland health suffers mainly due to lack of funds caused by the health budget getting gobbled up by the 3 bureaucrats for every doctor employed and you back rudd putting on another level of bureaucracy. Give me break and open your mind

    • persephone says:

      09:49am | 23/03/10

      Rudd’s introducing boards for networks of health services, Tony wants to introduce boards for individual hospitals.

      So Tony is proposing more bureaucracy than Rudd is.

    • little annie says:

      10:34am | 23/03/10

      no peephone tony boards would be voluntary ex and current health proffessionals to cut out 1 level of bureaucracy

    • Mark says:

      10:51am | 23/03/10

      “Rudd’s introducing boards for networks of health services, Tony wants to introduce boards for individual hospitals.

      So Tony is proposing more bureaucracy than Rudd is. “

      Please read before pressing enter peresphone. Seriously what does the above prove. It is not based on fact. It is loosely based on your opinion, I guess, which is if Tony suggested it it has to be bad. Spin needs a basis of truth or an argument mate. Learn to labor poltitic better imo. Or provide some facts. Either will do. in the meantime stop making stuff up.

      Now son, what you need to do is also rememebr what you write bites you. For post after post you have argued Tony has no policy. Good old Nicola “we will raise taxes to pay for this sham” Roxon says he has none in the above fantasy piece. But now - surprise surprise - you say he has one. So null argument Nicola. One of your biggest fanboys says they do. Nothing to see here. More blame game and spin form the labor crew. Eventually they will get around to doing something because, you know, that is what rolled up sleeves and safety vests mean. Hard at work etc etc et al “lies boring stuff quoted for news at 6”.

    • Repeat Offender says:

      11:52am | 23/03/10

      Clearly persephone doesn’t get paid unless he attempts to shoot down any anti Rudd views. Probably sitting in Sussex St Sydney HQ monitoring all internet chatter and just begging for the day when the mighty internet filter comes in and he can then get back to marching in the streets.

    • persephone says:

      02:01pm | 23/03/10

      No, Mark, I have consistently said that Abbott has a four word policy on health (local boards, more beds) and that I expect he’ll have made it into a whole sentence by the time the election comes around.

    • acker says:

      06:12am | 23/03/10

      Don’t chuck too many rocks Nicola, my town got a plaque under government instruction (approx $300) saying Senator Mark Arbib opened a federal building, and guess what ? he never turned up. But in 50 years our local kids will think he did wink

    • persephone says:

      06:29am | 23/03/10

      Oh, yes, acker, that’s a cutting riposte.

      I’m sure Nicola will hang up the towel now.

    • acker says:

      07:41am | 23/03/10

      @persephone ..just because it was not at the press club, Senator Arbibs no show after a plaque with his name on it had been made was a bigger waste of tax payer money than Abbott being slightly late. Just less media saw it.

    • persephone says:

      08:02am | 23/03/10

      Acker, pollies fail to front to openings quite often, regardless of their political colour and irrespective of whether a plaque’s there with their name on it.

      Like most human beings, they can’t always keep appointments.

      It was how Abbott handled his lateness, not just the fact that he was late, that was the issue.

    • acker says:

      08:51am | 23/03/10

      @persephone…give us some actual real examples or otherwise why should anyone here regard that as anymore as a sychophantic response from an over cooked fan.

    • Andrew says:

      10:46am | 23/03/10

      You know Pers if it was a Liberal who did that you would be screaming blue murder.

      Its funny, if we had a discussion on health, the economy or any other number of policy areas we might find ourselves in complete agreement and you might walk thinking “hmm smart guy, good chat.”

      On the other hand the moment you had an inkling that I either disliked labor, or voted liberal or did march in the Kevin 07 parade you would immediately take the opposite view to me and lambast me as a moron.

      Your failure to see or accept any of the failures of this government is your greatest weakness. I believe it will prove to be theirs as well.

    • persephone says:

      02:09pm | 23/03/10

      Andrew
      highly doubt that I would.

      It might be a bit trite to say so, but not only some of my best friends but some of my biggest supporters are Liberal voters.

      They don’t agree with me, but they appreciate my point of view and the respect I show theirs.

    • KM says:

      07:05am | 23/03/10

      The opposition constantly asks, what Abbotts policy are! I have an idea for the labor government. You are in government you tell us what your policy are in detail for a change. You never give any detail about you own policy this is why the states are asking for more detail about your health plan. And, much to the disgust of Rudd who believes you should blindly do what ever he wants.  Is this because you don’t want people to fully understand what they are getting into? Just like the cprs no detail! Why is Kevin Rudd and Roxon lying about Tony Abbott ripping a billions dollars out of the health system? This is total BS, and Nicola Roxon knows it. Labor takes a situation from the past and adds lies to it and then uses it as a line of attack on the opposition. Do you take people as being that stupid? Because this is just the way Mike Rann has treated the people in South Australia for years.

    • persephone says:

      08:08am | 23/03/10

      KM

      read this:

      http://www.health.gov.au/internet/main/publishing.nsf/Content/nhhn-report/$FILE/NHHN - Full report.pdf

      No, the finer details are still to be worked out - they are negotiating with the States. If Rudd was demanding that people blindly did what he wanted, he wouldn’t be negotiating at all.

      If he didn’t want people to understand the scheme, he wouldn’t have set up the debate for today and he wouldn’t have travelled the country talking to health professionals and others about the policy.

      Again, there was plenty of details about the CPRS. Not the government’s fault if the media don’t report it.

      The claim about the billion dollars comes from the Howard government’s own budget reports. Are you saying that Howard and Costello lied?

    • Overflow says:

      09:21am | 23/03/10

      KM in 2007 Rudd siad he would fix health, then he had a review, then he had a listening tour, then he produced a light on detail brochure.  Despite all of his reviews and listening the state premiers have not signed up and want more detail yet Roxon has the audacity to ask for the Opposition policy, why? So Labor can deflect criticism, this is pure politics so that Nicola can sit on ministerial leather for another three years and the outcome for Australia will be the same as it has been in NSW.

    • Dingo says:

      11:19am | 23/03/10

      I agree Overflow, and I also think Rudd and Roxon want a policy from Abbott so they can tinker with it and call it their own.

      A few months ago Abbott actually mentioned the word “local” in a general response on how to fix hospitals. The next thing you know “local” boards are the centre piece of the scant policy musings from Rudd.

      Rudd won the election by me-tooing Howard’s policies, but I don’t think Abbott is going to write their health policy for them until the election is actually called.

    • Jim says:

      07:45pm | 23/03/10

      Abbot’s had nigh on 5 years to come up with a policy - he’s already had more time than Rudd from his previous role. But he still can’t. The bloke is a total blowhard and utterly useless to boot.

      Talking of waiting for a real policy and then tinkering with it…what do you reckon Abbott’s doing??? Haha. Dead set hopeless you Libs.

    • Jay Santos says:

      07:29am | 23/03/10

      He doesn’t need a “plan” Nicola.  Opposition’s don’t need “plans”.

      Oppositions never “win” government.

      Rudd never revealed his “plans” on anything until the last minute, so why so desperate to see Tony’s?

      Tell Dear Leader to show some political gumption and call an election.

      Then we’ll see Abbott’s plan.

    • Margaret Gray says:

      07:36am | 23/03/10

      Let’s see the Henry Tax Review “plan”.

      Let’s see the ETS “plan” and costings.

      Let’s see the revised home insulation “plan”.

      Let’s see the now heavily modified Greenloans scheme “plan”.

      Let’s see the cost modelling “plan” for the NBN.

      Let’s see the fiscal “plan” behind the Education Revolution.

      Let’s see where you “plan” all the new doctors and nurse to come from.

      Let’s see how yours and Rudd’s health “plan” creates ONE new hospital bed.

      It’s quite clear to see who is short on detail…everywhere.

    • Mark says:

      10:59am | 23/03/10

      Love your work Margaret.

      Lets also see how something that was really complicated and months late on a Sunday morning was suddenly solved on Monday and rolled out Tuesday.

      Rushed? Think batts. Think pink batts. And shudder. That was loose change. This and the NBN are terrifying in comparison. That this fool thinks he can manage a hosipital let alone all of them when he can’t put a pink batt in a roof safely and on budget is mind boggling.

    • Phil says:

      07:37am | 23/03/10

      Nicola

      Great photo of Tony keeping himself fit. Would like to see the PM, Swan, Tanner, You and Albo do three laps of Parliment House of a bike let alone 1000 kms. Think Gillard and Garrett would fare ok but dont think too many others would.

      Health is in the main like success a choice. I know some are born with issues, but they are in the minority not majority.

      Some choose to get fat and lazy thats their choice and they are entitled to it. Some like Tony Abbotts realise that a healthy body equals a healthy mind and attitude, that he gets to do a great deal of thinking when out on his bike, running swimming etc is great and its shows that our prime minister in waiting cares about himself, rather that the current one who would probably spend a similar amount of time in front of a mirror looking at himself.

      Love or hate him John Howard did the same, which is why he rarely looked burned out unlike Rudd who is looking rather unhealthy with a terrible comb over occurring.

      By the way Nicola. Why not fund 100% and run them. Surely it will be an argument over this. It is a better scenario than you are putting forward and you are leaving the opposition the chance to go one better.

      Like before the last election when you copied 90% of their policies, they are not about to give you a chance to counter then before the election that labor do look like either loosing or just scraping through on. Rudd was a fool not to call a DD in Oct/Nov last year. Maybe he might have got punished for that but now is appears he could be heading for electroral defeat.

      If these health costs blow out by the billions as you say how do you propose to fund them? Increased taxes or Medicare Levy? Same really!

    • julie says:

      08:26am | 23/03/10

      “Mr Abbott has blocked $2 billion in savings” ......
      my old maths teacher, bless him, used to get so angry about this perceived ‘saving’.  If something cost 500, and you bought it for 300, you havent ‘saved’ the difference, you just havent spent it!
      Get over yourself Roxon.  Dont brag about throwing money around, the States cant manage it now.

    • stephen says:

      01:36pm | 23/03/10

      So, if i don’t buy it at all, have i saved 500 or 300 ?
      There’s the difference ! (You and your teacher have not ascertained the value of ‘value’.

      PS Old maths teachers are only clever when they ride motobikes.

    • Elizabeth says:

      08:38am | 23/03/10

      Good Luck today Nicola. but anyway it goes Labor has my vote I appreciate the hard work you have put into this reform. Its easy to be critical but much harder to do the actual work.

    • Andrew says:

      10:53am | 23/03/10

      What reform, what policy? They have done NOTHING!

      They want to create another bureaucracy and leave the states to pick up the overflow cost. They do not creat one new hospital bed, one new doctor or one new nurse.

      This is not reform it is a cynical attempt to deflect criticism from this governments epic failures. They have waited three years and 12 COAG meetings to release a policy the state government found out about on the morning of the release!

      You deserve to vote Labor, you clearly haven’t got a brain in your head.

    • Alex says:

      01:56pm | 23/03/10

      Andrew bend over boy and grab the soap a mad monk is calling you

    • Gerard says:

      08:59am | 23/03/10

      Two words Nicola, “Doctor Death”.

    • luvafunPM says:

      09:44am | 23/03/10

      Stop beating up on Ruddy! Sure he may not be as fit and smart with policies but he has a better laugh than Abbott and he seems to be more fun. He goes on fun shows were they don’t ask all those complicated policy questions and he has a laugh which is what most people like. Abbott is just soooo serious riding and swimming and talking about boring government stuff all the time. Rudd’s alright by me! I got $$$ just for being an Australian citizen during the GFC!!! What would Abbott have done!? Huh! Probably not handed out money… Go Ruddy!

    • Nancy says:

      09:55am | 23/03/10

      In need of some help regarding all of the glaring gaps in your policy by instalment Nicola?
      If Abbott were to give full details of his policy today I would declare him loser of the debate, and a failed leader of his party.
      Also, don’t be fooled by opinion polls saying the majority want Federal takeover of hospitals. I want it too, but not if Labor is the Federal Government. You have managed to botch everything positive you have done. Even IR, which should have been a piece of cake has some nasty bits, most of which the electorate hasn’t felt yet. I could go on, but you know what the others are as well as I do.
      There is too much at stake with health to let hopeless managers take over from hopeless managers.

    • persephone says:

      02:07pm | 23/03/10

      Well, you’re stymied, Nancy, because if the Feds under Abbott took over control of hospitals, one day Labor would take over anyway.

    • Jolanda says:

      10:05am | 23/03/10

      What is the point of more funding when the issue of the mishandling of the administration of the health system and the culture of covering up allegations and complaints is not dealt with.

      First fix the complaint handling process by making it fair and impartial otherwise you are just feeding more money to the crooks and further protecting those who fail in their duty of care.

      Education - Keeping them Honest
      http://jolandachallita.typepad.com/

    • Andrew says:

      10:34am | 23/03/10

      Honestly, Nicola you ought to hang your head in shame. YOU are the federal health minister and you have a big F down every column of your report card. In a futile attempt to distract from your own government’s massive failures and stupendous incompetence you are now pointing at the other schoolkids and saying “but I’m not as bad as them”.

      All of the years in opposition you wanted to govern. You got what you wished for but now you realise you can’t handle it so you attack the other team in the hope you will look like the lesser of 2 evils.

      Your “health plan” (and I use the term plan loosely), is short on detail long on bureaucracy and depends on states handing back GST revenue guaranteed to them. I suppose you and Kev get to talk the talk and look like your doing something but in reality when the plan doesn’t make it through you get to blame the states or the senate or whatever. You’ll cry off “we tried but (shrug) what can you do?”.

      You are unfit for government. Your fixation with opposition policy is astounding. Get the full detail of your policy out and lets critique that. Maybe Kev and the kitchen cabinet are still writing it. I’m sure they’ll let you know when its done.

      Hey, at least you’ve distracted the populace from your epic failures. Wasn’t that the idea.

      Resign.

    • Helen says:

      11:55am | 23/03/10

      Andrew

      Great reading - I totally agree with all you have said.

    • Bec says:

      12:11pm | 23/03/10

      I don’t think Roxon should resign. Rudd should. He has failed every test even after he lowers his standards.

    • KM says:

      10:52am | 23/03/10

      persephone
      Im am interested to read the link you have inserted but it comes back with Error 404: Page not found.
      Our labor premier mike rann has already agreed to rudds over haul of the health system. With no consultation what so ever, the only premier in Australia to do so at the time.
      “They are negotiating with the States”
      Most other states have asked for more detail about the nuts and bolts on how this scheme will work. Not just finer details.
      Rudd does not want to provide more details hence the cold shoulder he gave to Kristina Keneally. When she ask for more detail about how the scheme will work.
      When Rudd turned up for the meeting he wasn’t happy, He had his nose out of joint, and his body language told the story. He didn’t want any cameras there. He wanted to give her a big pineapple but had to bite his tongue. Just because she had the audacity to question his scheme. All he wants, is the states to agree so he can then go into question time and use it as fodder to bash the opposition overhead and score political points.

    • persephone says:

      02:13pm | 23/03/10

      Well, you can just go to the Health home page (http://www.health.gov.au) and follow the links from there - it’s all fairly prominent.

      Don’t underestimate the size of what the Feds are proposing. This is a huge project and I would expect that there’s still a lot of fine tuning needed.

      Interestingly, there’s about five seconds cut from the KK/PM meeting, which apparently shows them all smiling and cooperative. I haven’t seen it, but others have told me that it puts the rest of the encounter in perspective.

    • Dingo says:

      11:20am | 23/03/10

      Nicola, you mean Abbott is preventing you from ripping $2 billion out of health funding.

      Have you forgotten that your Government gave several verbal promises and a written guarantee to NOT do what you are proposing? Abbott is saving you from being a bare faced liar.

    • persephone says:

      02:14pm | 23/03/10

      It’d be nice if he took the same attitude to the ETS.

    • Helen says:

      11:50am | 23/03/10

      Come on Nicola you surely don’t think that we can believe anything your Government says.  You are inept failures at everything you have touched and are not fit to be in Government.

      You have no idea how to run this country or for that matter anything else.  You have lost control of our finances and our borders and I for one would like to know just how much is left in the kitty - nearly broke I would assume.

      Your mob is incapable of fixing anything - all your good for is wrecking a once great and prosperous country.

      I for one am not interested in what happened in 2003 - I am not interested in what the previous Government/s did or didn’t do - all I know is that the sooner the Election is called the better and the sooner you are tossed out the better for all of us.

      Mind you, we are all going to be in hock for decades to come due to your incompetence and ineptitude. 

      Just remember, Nicola - we have worked you out (a long time ago) and we won’t be conned or fooled anymore.

    • Brendan says:

      12:25pm | 23/03/10

      Ms Roxon, Could you, or perhaps the ALP lapdog on these pages (persephone) answer two simple questions for me.
      1. You suggest that Abbott should have a fully finalised and costed health policy. Applying this principal to yourself in opposition we assume your plan was finalised and costed prior to the 2007 election. This being so why did it take nearly 3 years to make a policy announcement - fact is you had no concrete policy in oppposition - just a spin line!
      2. Do the funding calulations take into account the additional state expenditure in health that should have eventuated when GST was introduced? Does it also include the Medicare billing in states like Queensland when patients are bulk billed in the public system?

    • Brendan says:

      07:48pm | 23/03/10

      Persephone? Nothing to add? Too busy at the debate eh?

    • persephone says:

      09:30pm | 23/03/10

      Sorry, Brendan, you asked for an AL:P lapdog to answer your questions.

      Didn’t think that you were talking to me.

      Apparently you were, so I’ll overlook your rudeness and show you more courtesy and respect than you show me:

      1. No she doesn’t. She just says a health policy. There’s no demand for ‘fully finalised’ or ‘fully costed’.

      2. Please try rewording this question, I simply don’t understand what you mean.

      I’ll have a go at answering what I think you’re saying:

      What additional state expenditure? There was no part of the GST agreement (that I’m aware of) which demanded the States spend more on Health. There were a series of taxes that the Feds ask to be removed - many of them weren’t, because the GST didn’t effectively replace the revenue that would have been lost by their withdrawal.

      And your Medicare question really has lost me. I don’t understand what you’re getting at at all.

    • Mike says:

      01:01pm | 23/03/10

      Ms. Roxon, the Press Club briefing in 2007 gave me all I needed to know about you as a person. Its not what was said by you but how you said it to get the sort of response that you wanted. Fot that I give you 10 out of 10. For your character, I would give you a 1 out of 10. Your comments to me are now just white noise!

    • Melanie says:

      01:28pm | 23/03/10

      I may be completely off the track however it deserves a mention. I work for a doctor and from January 2010 pharmaceutical companies were no longer able to provide practices with pens etc that display drug names. This is because the use of a pen, post it note or stapler could influence a doctor or patient to a company. I think dinners etc are include, my point is why does Tony Abbott and other pollies that cycle continue to were Drug, Oil, Big business company branded outfits. Are they exempt, are they influence or do they hold as much influence of Australians as a receptionist in medical practice?

    • Brian Connor says:

      01:27pm | 23/03/10

      Rudd is a liar - Abbott smoked him out today.

    • Grumpy says:

      01:38pm | 23/03/10

      What exactly are your plans for health Mr Abbott?

      Well let us hope it isn’t the same as what our wonderful Prime Minister did in 2005, just follow the links.

      Oh, and let us not forget Kevs list of lies. Why would we think this is not just another one?

      Great job, keep it up, we love ya mate another $1000 or so would be nice.

    • Tony says:

      01:40pm | 23/03/10

      What plans?,what the hell are you talking abut?

    • Gotta be says:

      01:44pm | 23/03/10

      On the contrary. Abbott and Bishop have both been too cute by half with the weasel words.

      They cut Federal Health forward estimates and let ‘em slide til the Federal funding contribution was well below 40%.  Funds cut, then, is what his weasel words meant.

      Its like the trick Abbott tried on the Family Allowance. “Its not a tax”. Huh? “Its a levy”. Yep, so that’ll be a tax then, eh, Shirl.

      These people have a carefully crafted mask as “straight talkers”. Then they look you right in the eye as they lie through their teeth.

      Dressed up by a bit of sleight of hand on wording and in public v private cost shifting, they coolly took a billion out of future health spending.

      Abbott has lied to us all.  Yep, the Opposition Leader, Shifty Abbott - professional liar.

    • Very Worried says:

      02:33pm | 23/03/10

      I have 2 main concerns.

      The premiers have had mixed responses on the plan? Some like Rann love it them some like Bligh and Kenelly hate it

      I support Rudd in trying to overhaul the health system. But im concerned that like other schemes like insulation, solar, petrol and grocery watch did amount to much or just fell over.

      Health I regard as far more important than all these things above. I didnt really care too much about the other schemes as they were just a PR scheme like all governments to get elected. But I just dont think Rudd and Roxon are capable I would love to be wrong because if im right me and my family will pay for the cock up in a big way. So my message to the ALP is you stuff this up and you will be crucified, I dont like the previous Governments efforts either but I will vote for them if the ALP screw us over.

    • Labor Ruined NSW says:

      05:50pm | 23/03/10

      I’m not sure what Tony’s plans for health are either, but i’m pretty sure they won’t involve the kind of divisive class warfare that that you’re engaged in Nicola.

    • Gin says:

      06:41pm | 23/03/10

      Dear Minister please answer the following:
      1) $600 million for GP training, great. But do you have a funding plan for the influx of interns for the next 10 years plus resident doctors and registrars for other specialty training position?
      2) Have you provided funding to develop and fund hospitals to cope with these specialty traing positions (if they do exist)?
      3) If midwives and nurse pracs have access to medicare can registered doctors who are not trained by a GP or specialty college e.g RMO/CMO get a provider number to work independently?
      4) If no is the answer to question 3) then please explain why? Isn’t this discrimination?
      5) Have you provided funding or know where funding will come from for new nursing home places for the elderly and those young people with disability who are bed blocking hospital beds?
      6) Please show where the money is going to come from for the above projects and a detailed breakdown of funding plans. If you can’t provide the figures does that mean a nother tax is going to be upon us?

      Thank you.

    • Sal says:

      09:49pm | 24/03/10

      Gin, if the minister had answers to your questions then she would be deemed competent. You expect too much from your labor politicians…..

    • Diane says:

      12:20am | 24/03/10

      I think Nicola Roxon’s plans for health need to come under a bit of scrutiny too. This is a woman who wants to put all our medical records online, sharing them around with every doctor, nurse and pharmacist you ever see for the rest of your life.

      So every young pharmacy assistant will be able to read your rape counselling notes. When you go to a dermatologist to have a mole removed, he will know that you wet the bed until you were 12. Every single fresh-out-of-uni nurse who tends to you in hospital will know about your impotence problem. Every ear nose and throat doctor will know that you once had genital warts. That nose job you had 20 years ago? It’s still in your medical records and all the hundreds of healthcare professionals you see over the course of your lifetime will know about it.

      There are some things you should be able to restrict to just one doctor knowing about, and have the right to not have it recorded at all, and to have it removed from your medical records if it’s already in there. Patients should be in control of their health data, not doctors, and not some health minister who thinks it would be great to share it around regardless of what the patients want, or the fact that it might lead people to suffer in silence on more stigmatised or embarrassing conditions.

    • Dingo says:

      11:54am | 24/03/10

      Nicola, where’s your plan. You are supposed to be the Health Minister. You’re the one getting paid to do the job. Stop asking the opposition to do your work for you.

      You and Rudd go on and on about how much money you’ve spent. We all know you’re great at spending money. Where are the improvements. I spent 6 hours in an emergency dept with my 8 year old son two weeks ago. No improvement there.

      Perhaps you could explain how your plan to shift funding from 40/60 to 60/40 and introduce casemix funding (or maybe not) tackles the “major structural problems.”

      Stop the spin and do your job, or resign.

    • Labor Ruined NSW says:

      06:12pm | 26/03/10

      Dingo you are so right. KRudd’s idea of health reform is to replace big state health bueocracies with big federal ones. That isn’t reform but listen to the media, they bought it. ($250 million later thanks to Conroy)

 

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