ABC’s Insiders program rather cleverly used Kylie Minogue’s latest jingle - Get Out of My Way - as the soundtrack to their summary of the final week in Federal politics before Parliament adjourned for the year.

Cartoon: Bill Leak.

It was the constant refrain of the Government in the last few weeks of Parliamentary sitting – that the Opposition should just “get out of the way” and pass through Parliament the legislation that will clear the way for the full roll-out of the National Broadband Network.

Prime Minister Julia Gillard shrilled repeatedly during Question Time that the Opposition should “get out of the way” of the Government’s $43 billion white elephant. The Government argues that the Coalition is “anti-reform” for refusing to cave into Gillard and Conroy’s demands that we simply stand aside as legislation worth $43 billion of taxpayers’ money is put through the Parliament without a modicum of accountability.

The Coalition’s position on the NBN has seen us accused of being “wreckers,” “demolishers,” “spoilers”, “luddites” and “obstructionists” by the Labor Party.

But, upon reflection, the Government’s rhetoric on this issue is one of the more bizarre political tactics to have emerged this year.

The suggestion that the Opposition should have clapped and cheered for the Government while they attempted to ram legislation through Parliament with as little scrutiny as possible flies in the face of the democratic tenets upon which our political system was built.

The fact is that oppositions exist to perform a crucial democratic function in ensuring government accountability.

In most Western liberal democracies, oppositions and the news media are the key institutions that maintain scrutiny of government expenditure and keep governments accountable to those who elected them.

It is all too easy for a government to forget that the money in the Federal Treasury coffers that they splash around daily are the hard-earned dollars of every-day Australians.

They expect their money to be spent well, and they want to know that they are benefiting from the policies being implemented with their dollars.

It is the Opposition’s role to continually remind the Government of their duty to the Australian voter and taxpayer.

Taken to its logical extreme, Julia Gillard’s position on the role of the Opposition would erode the quality of democracy.

An opposition demanding the government provide full information on legislation they are seeking to pass is a sign of a healthy democracy with strong accountability mechanisms in place.

If the opposition is scrutinising government policy and, “letting the light shine in,” to borrow a phrase, Australians know that the government cannot get away with irresponsible spending.

On the other hand, a weak opposition that sits mute while the government runs amok with taxpayer dollars provides no comfort to voters that their government is being scrutinised appropriately.

Of course, this doesn’t mean that oppositions should not support government policy. Good policy is good policy, no matter who puts it forward.

The Coalition has a proud history of extending the hand of bi-partisanship from Opposition to the Government – particularly in the economic reform by the Hawke Government.

Labor, on the other hand, supported not one important reform initiative of the Howard Government.

Julia Gillard has accused Tony Abbott and the Coalition of behaving like “two year-olds” having a “tantrum”.

This is a stunning case of the pot calling the kettle black, since it is the Labor Party that throws a tantrum every time the Coalition attempts to bring some level of accountability back to Government spending.

When Gillard announced that her Government would operate in a “new paradigm” post-election, she promised that she would “draw back the curtains and let the light shine in” on the workings of her Government.

If she is serious about wanting her Government to be transparent and accountable, I suggest Julia Gillard “get out of the way” herself and let the Opposition do its job.

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    • Rosie says:

      05:27am | 16/12/10

      It is wishful thinking for the installed Gillard minority Govt to have some kind of weak Opposition that would allow them to run amok with our $$$$$$$$

      Oh how Gillard wishes, so she can cruise along at her leisure, spend, spend and more spending while she remains our PM.

      Gillard hasn’t the confidence to govern because of the difficulty in sticking to her promises with not just the people but with the Greens and Independence. Gillard has no choice but use the excuse that the Opposition are there only to wreck and block!

      What is annoying is how the media lumps the Opposition in as not any better in defence of a bad Govt. Please give us a break, one party is the Govt, the other is the Opposition, play it along those lines!

    • Carter says:

      07:28am | 16/12/10

      Perhaps, but it’s also not an Oppositions job to oppose for the sake of opposition.

      If the Government puts up a good policy, come out ans support it. If it puts up bad policy, provide a better option. That way they would present an effective alternate Government (and would have won the last election). So in this respect, the media is correct in painting it as no better than the Government.

      So far BOTH major political parties have been lacking in the good policy daprtment, not just Labor, Rosie.

    • Davida says:

      08:55am | 16/12/10

      “What is annoying is how the media lumps the Opposition in as not any better in defence of a bad Govt.”
      Is it the media setting the public’s agenda or the public setting the media’s agenda Rosie?  I assume the reason we have a HUNG parliament is that neither side seemed the better option to the majority regardless of your personal preference.  Remember, every time you leave the house, for every like-minded Australian you encounter, there is one who sees things differently and voted accordingly…......

    • Rosie says:

      09:58am | 16/12/10

      Yes Carter I get your drift and I would be the first to expose any Opposition party if they weren’t doing the job as you have suggested. “Good policies makes good politics.”

      As someone who voted Liberal I am happy with the way the Opposition is going about their job. They have opposed only when they aren’t happy with what is put in front of them and have always come up with an alternative which the media never seem to write about.

      Davida - with what is unravelling before our eyes, Labor supporters have decided if the Gillard Govt is going to sink we will do our utmost to take the Libs down with us.“Both sides sink” It is an old trick in the book!

      Thanks to Adam Diver I read your comments!

    • Adam Diver says:

      11:59am | 16/12/10

      @ Rosie, NP,

      You will notice that T Chong is now not an ALP cheerleader, just despises the LNP. Funny that he had so much gushing praise for the ALP previously, none of it neccessary to attack the coalition.

      Then we have another cheerleader Seano, down the bottom there who now says to “and put some real pressure on Labor to perform” as if the oppositions supposedly lack of policies is an excuse for the ALP to be completely impotent and incompetant.

      The punch is an exercise in frustration, and immense patience if you ever want satisfaction from a debate. How about you flakes stop changing your positions as fast as the ALP, stand by your base morals and logic and defend your point of view, or admit when you get it wrong. Everyone makes mistakes, we will be kind. BTW how did your compassion work out for the unfortunate souls off Christmas Island? Seems the hard-line approach may of had a touch of compassion in it, you the tough-love kind.

    • Davida says:

      12:06pm | 16/12/10

      @Rosie,
      Your assumption is I voted Labor ( I, in fact,  voted for an Independent).  I, like many, did not like the direction Labor was taking but have little time for the conservatives either.  As I said, a HUNG parliament indicates the losses from one, did not ( no matter how you wish it were) translate in huge gains and support for the other.  We seem to have both the government and the opposition we were offered.  I wish there was more credible choice.

      I can’t thank Adam Diver for reading your comments. Like a blowfly to road-kill,  you hit similar threads with the same thoughts daily.

    • TChong says:

      01:53pm | 16/12/10

      adam , I was courteous enough to reply on another thread . please read. I dont apologise for the ALP, never have, cant recall doing so.
      Having contrary ideals to the LNP party does not oblige me to support all things ALP.  Are you so sad you base all your views souly on a LNP policies?    Cant any discussion be above party lines ?

    • Seano says:

      04:17pm | 16/12/10

      @Andrew - you do realise that for us to have good government we need a strong opposition. Not one that only bleats for the sake of it, or one that’s constantly bemoaning the fact that their preceived divine right to rule has been “unfairly” denied them and certainly not one that has no ideas at all.

    • Aitch B says:

      05:17pm | 16/12/10

      @Seano

      I’m dead set sick of the ‘born to rule’ crap that you ALP supporters constantly come up with when bagging the Liberals.

      Give us some relevant historical material or a link that clearly states that the Liberals in Australia believe that they are born to rule. You could get away with it if you are talking about the English aristocracy but in case you haven’t noticed we don’t have a House of Lords here.

      Put up or shut up!!

    • TimB says:

      05:17pm | 16/12/10

      Seano:

      Bullshit. A good government can be a good government no matter what state the opposition is in.

      Stop blaming Labor’s many shortcomings on the Liberals, it is pathetic.

    • Seano says:

      10:03pm | 16/12/10

      @Aitch B - have you read the bleating over the last couple of months over the “minority government”. Even though Abbott couldn’t strike a deal with a couple of conservatives. I guess you only see what you want to.

      @Timmy - I’m not surprised you fail to understand how our system works. We had 11 years of howard sitting about doing nothing during boom times because the opposition was weak. Abbott’s continued incompetence lets labor off the hook.

    • TimB says:

      05:33am | 16/12/10

      Totally agree Mitch.  Unfortunately your article will be wasted on the Labor voting groupthink brigade who seem to think constant use of the word “Wrecker” makes them look intelligent and informed. I’m sure they’d be much happier if we lived in a single-party state.

      Incidently, I don’t remember hearing this constant whining back when Howard was in power. Unlike Labor who needs to blame everyone else for their own shortcomings.

    • Hancock says:

      07:42am | 16/12/10

      It’s much more valuable and useful to all to be “compromisers” than “wreckers”.

      For example, the Libs need to realise that their wireless plan didn’t get the votes. The NBN did. So instead of trying to block the NBN make it better as they see fit.

    • Markus says:

      09:04am | 16/12/10

      “So instead of trying to block the NBN make it better as they see fit”
      Not even being granted the ability to look at the business plan for the whole thing throws a spanner in the works there.

    • Ex - pilot says:

      02:47pm | 16/12/10

      Don’t need a business plan markus

      it’s essential infrastructure.

      Kind of like those 16 billion dollars worth of fighter aircraft.

    • MarK says:

      05:34pm | 16/12/10

      No Badger.

      it is not essential infrastructure like the fighter planes.

      The fighter planes are on the budget and have a need that has been justified through proper channels.

      The NBN is off budget because of claims it is a commercial venture. For political reasons they are keeping it quiet for as long as possible. The business case must have holes in it. Therefore their claim it should remain off budget is in danger. As is their whole credibility.

      You know this. Your plane analogy is infantile.

    • Northern Steve says:

      06:32pm | 16/12/10

      I suspect, Ex-pilot, that the Defence Dept put in a whole lot more thought and planning into planes than Labor has in the NBN.  To the point where to win government they increased the cost of the plan to build the high-cost, low yield rural part of the network before the low cost, high yield part in the cities.  It’s all about politics for the ALP, not about infrastructure

    • TChong says:

      05:38am | 16/12/10

      He said, she said, “Our “side is more self righteous than “Your"side , etc, etc, and on and on it goes.
      All pollies who appear here, please give the “holier than thou” BS a rest.
      Both sides act purely out of self interest of the party- not the population, both sides cling, and would metaphorically kill to obtain power, both sides say and do anything to try to impress, and as the last federal election showed, both sides stink.

    • acotrel says:

      06:40am | 16/12/10

      I have only one complaint about Julia et al.  They take too much notice of the Liberal party, and always seem to respond to their silly games.  Take Joe Hockey’s attack on the banks for example, which was taken up by Wayne Swann.  Are we really supposed to believe we can reverse the ‘free market economy’, or that the Liberal party really wants to do that? The Labor party has been sucked into a game it cannot win.  The banks will reign forever, and exact their toll on all of us.  It’s ‘user pays’!

    • Adam Diver says:

      07:02am | 16/12/10

      I see what you have done there Mr Chong. Moving the goal posts I see, the oldest trick in the book.

      At first it was Queen Julia and Tony the budgie smuggler wrecker.

      Now with the continual disintegration of morality and competence in the labor camp it has suddenly become “both sides stink”

      I am going to chalk this one up as a win for all the conservatives here, sure its not quite a admission of failure on your part, but we know that is never going to happen anyway.

    • TChong says:

      07:08am | 16/12/10

      Agree Acotrel . Hockey proposes a Dog and Pony show, and big C conservatives love it- an illiberal Liberal party , Nationals who quietly slip under the radar with their nationalist / socialist policies, and a Labor party who seem to have wandered far from its ideals,
      all fighting for a middle ground that is centered on NIMBYISM- be it physically or ideogically.
      We now have a choice between a Jack Johnson, and a John Jackson.

    • Macca says:

      07:37am | 16/12/10

      @Acotrel, This is probably the smartest thing I have ever seen you type.

      Unlike your usual mix of trolling and dribble, this is pretty accurate.

      Since Tony Abbott came to power, he has dominated the political agenda. Why on earth did the Labor party decide to hold a campaign on the issues of immigration and the ecnonomy when they had spent so much effort attempting reform in regards to health and education?

      We never hear of the advantages of the NBN, just the cost.
      We rarely hear of the success stories of the BER, just the waste.
      We never hear of the benefits of the insulation sheme, just the fires and fatalities.
      The Mining Tax will not provide Australians with greater infrastructure or benefitis, it will simply handicap one of our most succesful industries.
      The Carbon Tax will not help reduce the impact of Climate Change, it will put thousands out of work and result in higher costs of living.

      It’s easy to talk about talking to take action when in opposition. That’s just about all you can do. But the ALP needs to actually act to reform and create change whilst in power.

      The Gillard government needs to take control of the political agenda. For the past 12 months they have really struggled to do so, despite dominating the agenda for most of Rudd’s tenure.

    • Dash says:

      08:19am | 16/12/10

      actotrel, really? Only one complaint about the Federal ALP?

      Happy to allow your taxes to be rorted by ALP backed builders under the school halls program were you? Happy for your taxes to still be paying for the insulation fiasco mess? Happy for the promises of grocery choice, fuelwatch, 200+ childcare centres and root and branch tax reform not to be honoured?

      Happy for the surplus to have been turned into record debt levels in half an hour?
      Happy for $47billion to be wasted on an unnecessary second stimulus package?
      Happy for $11billion of our taxes to be used for the ALP to buy their way into office?
      Happy for interest rates to be rising?
      Happy to pay for the new carbon tax, electricity price hikes and its inflationary impact?
      Happy to cop the lie about “more affordable housing”?
      Happy to cop the lie about “cheaper better childcare”?
      Happy to cop the lie about not touching the private health tax rebate?
      Happy to cop the lie about an East Timor Solution?
      Happy to see the PM dismissed and elected by the union movement?

      And none of those things has anything to do with taking notice of the LNP!

      In terms of the banking issue, Wayne Swan approved 2 bank mergers as treasurer! Now he wants to give us bullsh!t about how he’s improving competition!

      This government has been in office for over 3 years and has not delievered or created a mess of everything it’s touched. Why are you still trying to make excuses for them and when will they accept responsibility for the job? In my eyes, the ALP are a dodgy pack of deceitful crooks!

    • TChong says:

      11:00am | 16/12/10

      Adam Diver- I hope the moderator will indulge me enough to point out that I primarily Boo ! the LNP, ( class warfare, raised in a shoe box, woken half an hour before sleep in order to go “down mine"etc)  but dont Yay !  the ALP.
      I dont speak for, nor does the ALP speak for me.
      I hope very few Punchers are so rusted on to any party, that they identify themselves with all a party represents, and sees themselves as apologists for the party - why expect that, I dont belong to any political party, ever since The Bagwan Rajeesh and The Orange People closed shop.

    • acotrel says:

      05:54am | 16/12/10

      ‘Julia Gillard has accused Tony Abbott and the Coalition of behaving like “two year-olds” having a “tantrum”.

      This is a stunning case of the pot calling the kettle black, since it is the Labor Party that throws a tantrum every time the Coalition attempts to bring some level of accountability back to Government spending.’

      That sounds like an attampt to trivialise what is clearly obstruction for it’s own sake!  Constant demands from the opposition for a cost/benefit analysis are obviously intended to stymie the NBN project.  Cost/benefit analyses are often cynical and unethical.  They disregard the need to consider what we as Australians value in our lives.  The decision to fund the NBN should be based on a value judgement, not solely monetary, and unforeseeeable potential benefits.  Most of us when we bought our first home computer, balked at the cost.  Then we learnt how to use it!

    • Adam Diver says:

      07:06am | 16/12/10

      Did you really teach at a tertiary level? If there are so many benefits of the NBN (including ones not concieved yet) they should be promptly displayed, and then used to offset the obvious flaw in the cost/benefit analysis.

      Something like we will lose X amount of money on purely the business side of the NBN,, but the Australian public will recieve non-monetary gains in such areas as X, Y, and Z.

      As of yet other then some hyperbolic symbolism I have yet to see legitimate, worthy non-monetary benefits, particularly ones that can’t be achieved by a much reduced program. 

      The other option is to not bother with a cost/benefit analysis and simply bang that 43Bill onto the budgets bottom line.

    • Super D says:

      07:07am | 16/12/10

      Alco you’re missing the point on the Government refusal to undertake a cost benefit analysis on the NBN.  They are not avoiding a cost benefit analysis because they fear that the non-financial benefits will not be adequately accounted for, rather because they know that the lack of financial benefits will be brought to account.

      It’s fine for the Government to spend money to produce benefits that can’t readily be quantified.  A high percentage of government spending falls in this category all the time.  This is a given.  If the Government wants to spend $43 billion or however much,  even though will only return $25 billion (again the figures are not important) that’s fine, Governments of all stripes do it all the time, there is nothing new here.

      The reason that a cost benefit analysis won’t be undertaken is because it will demonstrate that the NBN is spending, again this is ok, spending rather than an asset.  But so what?  The key point is the shortfall in financial costs vs revenues needs to be brought on budget.  This is why there will be no rigourous analysis.  It allows the government to keep the spending off the books and keep the budget surplus dream alive.

      This is why the gopposition wants the analysis done.  Not to stop the NBN being built, just to make the Government choose between building a nationwide fibre network and a budget surplus.  The government wants to keep both so can’t have any hard numbers floating about.

    • MarK says:

      08:26am | 16/12/10

      “Cost/benefit analyses are often cynical and unethical.”

      Do tell us more please. Use big words and examples to illustrate this point.

      “....unforeseeeable potential benefits.”

      LAWL. Yeh yeh yeh. Just as there are unforeseen potential benefits could you also not argue that there are unforeseen potential pitfalls. Is my unforeseen bigger than your unforeseen? Maybe that is a question noone really wants an answer too.

      The main problem as I see it is even the known benefits appear to be the remarkable discovery of online gaming by Conroy and the ability of the NBN to make donations to hospitals and nice stuff like that. - of which I fully endorse.

      “Most of us when we bought our first home computer, balked at the cost.  Then we learnt how to use it! “

      I sooooo want to use this in a mean spirited and insulting way. What a dolly you tossed us. Let me just say you perhaps should….nahhhh not worth it.

      “That sounds like an attampt to trivialise what is clearly obstruction for it’s own sake!”

      Out of interest can you give me the number of bills passed this last sitting? Can you tell me of the ones the opposition “blocked” or “obstructed” to such a point they were scrapped?

    • iansand says:

      05:55am | 16/12/10

      You are all carrying on like a bunch of five year olds in the playground.  “Did to” and “She did it first” are not the level of discourse we expect from those whom we permit to rule us.  Do you wonder why politicians are held in contempt by the rest of the world?

    • acotrel says:

      01:37pm | 16/12/10

      Mark:
      ‘“Cost/benefit analyses are often cynical and unethical.”

      Do tell us more please. Use big words and examples to illustrate this point.

      I suggest the Liberal Party’s love of the cost/benefit analysis in making decisions is flawed, just like their ideology!
      For your info:

      http://www.angelfire.com/nb/hazsub/ETHICS.html

    • MarK says:

      06:10am | 16/12/10

      Don’t justify.

      Keep doing what you are doing. Her innate incompetence will kill her in the end.

      Instead of this howl at the moon at the name calling do a Albo on them. Grab a list of all the legislation that has been passed since the Oakeshott and Windsor led paradigm of the ridiculous started and publish it here.

      Juxtapose all that which has been rejected.

      Thtat is all you need do. Maks the complaint moot.

      Speaking of the NBN anyone see a business case yet?

    • Mr Mustela says:

      08:43am | 16/12/10

      anybody seen a fibre modem at Harvey Norman?

    • MarK says:

      11:52am | 16/12/10

      Anyone seen an app that needs a gig of bandwidth for home use?

      What is a fibre modem anyway? Is it like an ecological green friendly contraption made out of recycled hemp Badger?

      Still waiting on the list of apps that need a gig of bandwidth for use in the home.

      Still waiting for a business case

    • Mr Mustela says:

      02:45pm | 16/12/10

      There are none so blind as those that will not see

    • NicoleG says:

      04:48pm | 16/12/10

      Hi Mr Mustela (aka Badger)

    • MarK says:

      05:36pm | 16/12/10

      There are none so ridiculous that cannot answer some simple questions eh Badger.

      Still waiting on an answer to any of the above questions.

    • Steve says:

      06:34am | 16/12/10

      Reminds me of the simpsons episode where the simpsons want to get legislation passed to have the flight path of the airport changed back to what it was but the only way the can is by blackmail and attaching there bill to a more popular bill, a bill to give the pollies a pay raise.

    • Adam Diver says:

      09:06am | 16/12/10

      Another classic Simpsons episode has a bill to save springfield form a meteor (if my memory serves me). At the last moment a senatro attaches a pornography bill to it, and the whole thing gets voted against.

      Kent Brockman: “I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again. Democracy simply doesn’t work”

    • Andy says:

      09:39am | 16/12/10

      The Coalition’s position on the NBN has seen us accused of being “wreckers,” “demolishers,” “spoilers”, “luddites” and “obstructionists” by the Labor Party.

      Didn’t Tony Abbott say Turnbull’s main purpose was to demolish the NBN??
      The Labor party don’t have to accuse the opposition of being demolishers, it was announced by Abbott at a press conference.

      The current estimate of tax payers money that will be spent on the NBN is $25b spread over 8 years, that makes it less than $3b per year and at the end we will have a world class communications system and a revenue generating asset that can be sold .

      Tony Abbott’s $75,000 maternity leave scheme was set to cost $3.15b p.a.
      No cost benefit analysis, no referral to the productivity commission.

    • Northern Steve says:

      08:21pm | 16/12/10

      Except, Andy, that it won’t cost $25B.  I’ve never seen any figure any where near that low.  The only way you could get to that figure is to exclude any payments to Telstra etc for their existing networks, and you’re still not close.  You want to try a link to back that up?
      Also, it won’t be sold off - that was the cost of the Green’s support for it.
      Finally, a government owned monopoly that is making a profit?  The only way that will happen is if it is overcharges.  Basic fact of economics - monopolies over charge and underdeliver.  It’s why there are no significant government-owned telcos left in the world.

    • Andy says:

      06:19pm | 17/12/10

      NBN Co. operates as a private company.
      The total cost of the building the NBN is estimated to be $43. The investment by the commonweath is estimated to be $25b, the rest comes from private investment and commercial finance.

      The greens ensured any future sale of the NBN needs to approved by parliament, not such a bad thing , which makes me wonder why the opposition didn’t ask for that guarantee.

      When it comes to infrastructure, competition is not always better due to economies of scale.

      NBN Co is not a retail Telco, it will provide wholesale access to the fibre network to companies such as Telstra, optus Iinet, etc.

    • Kevin says:

      07:41am | 16/12/10

      An interesting dilemma for any opposition faced with legislation that they believe is against the nation’s interest.
      From a political point of view, it would be in their interest to give the govt. as much rope as possible and let the legislation through.
      However, if they act in what they believe is the interest of the nation, they block the legislation.  The problem with this approach is that effectively they are saving their opponent’s from the opponent’s worst excesses.  The result is better governance while they are in opposition which would seem to be against their political interests.

    • Tommo says:

      08:24am | 16/12/10

      Oh my. Miss Gillard has been in power (of sorts) for how long? And we have seen her talk about gay marriage, nuclear power, what else…........wasn’t there something about a citizen’s committee in climate change, BER bungle (google it on news search for updates) and so on. So it seems like next year will be the year further Gillard failures and non-achievements. So enjoy paying more, struggling families enjoy struggling more and foreigners enjoy buying us up.

    • AussieJazzman says:

      09:02am | 16/12/10

      Sorry, this is a complete mischaracterisation of the antics of the Opposition during the last weeks of sitting.  Yes, you opposed the NBN, you disagree that it’s a good use of money, fair enough.

      HOWEVER, what the Opposition spent most of their time doing was creating procedural roadblocks to even getting to the vote on the Telstra-splitting legislation.  You didn’t spend much of your time actually debating the merits of the legislation at all.  Motions to adjourn, motions to suspend standing orders, motions to amend motions to suspend standing orders, motions to debate points of order, procedural bulldust followed by even more procedural bulldust.  The Coalition knew very well that they’d lose the vote, so instead of allowing it to go to a vote when they lost the negotiations, the Coalition threw a tanty and wasted millions of dollars forcing extra sitting days to go through this ridiculous BS.

      Not a very edifying sight.  Sure, it’s not your job to roll over, but it shouldn’t be your job to waste everybody’s time with stuff that wastes everyone’s time.

    • acotrel says:

      03:28am | 17/12/10

      The whole decision making process in parliament is stuffed!  The NBN is worth doing - end of story! The choice isn’t about whether we’ll buy a Holden Camira or a Mazda 6.  It’s about whether we’ll buy a CNC machine or a wood lathe.  Ask Tony Abbott about that, he’s a genius.

    • Sherlock says:

      09:09am | 16/12/10

      The more you look into his NBN the bigger dud it becomes. The government knows this which is why they won’t do a cost/benefit analysis.

      The last thing the government wants is for the focus to be on the actual policy so they simply attack the opposition at every available opportunity. It’s becoming so predictable that I now simply tune out.

    • David LD says:

      09:39am | 16/12/10

      An interesting article, Mitch.

      I’d actually prefer if both sides tried governing for the people, instead of for the party. You know, representing the people in their electorate in Parliament by bringing their unique set of circumstances and viewpoints to the national stage.

      I do seem to remember a vote in the Lower House recently about the idea of actually going to talk to the electorate about some issue or other. Tell me, which side of the aisle voted lockstep against the idea of talking to the people they’ve been elected to represent? I seem to have forgotten.

      If we had a credible opposition, perhaps we’d have a more credible Government. As it is now, we have neither; simply two groups fighting over the media cycle, and we’re all the worse for it.

    • Kaz says:

      12:09pm | 16/12/10

      Agred. Maybe it’s time we stopped referring to the non-governing party as the “opposition” and instead called them the “alternative”.  Perhaps this would help change the emphasis in debates from one where Govt proposals are simply dismissed,to a scenario that results in other options being proposed and explored.  Surely a better outcome for all of us.

    • Northern Steve says:

      08:30pm | 16/12/10

      David, the vote you were talking about was simply a time-wasting, attention-distracting strategy.  What was the motion?  To get the MPs to talk to the people in their electorate about an issue?  Isn’t that their job anyway?  Do they need a vote in parliament to tell them to do that?

    • Andy says:

      09:53am | 16/12/10

      The Coalition’s position on the NBN has seen us accused of being “wreckers,” “demolishers,” “spoilers”, “luddites” and “obstructionists” by the Labor Party.

      Didn’t Tony Abbott say Turnbull’s main purpose was to demolish the NBN??
      The Labor party don’t have to accuse the opposition of being demolishers, it was announced by Abbott at a press conference.

      The current estimate of tax payers money that will be spent on the NBN is $25b spread over 8 years, that makes it less than $3b per year and at the end we will have a world class communications system and a revenue generating asset that can be sold .

      Tony Abbott’s $75,000 maternity leave scheme was set to cost $3.15b p.a.
      No cost benefit analysis, no referral to the productivity commission.

    • Seano says:

      10:53am | 16/12/10

      Mate a strong opposition isn’t one that opposes for for the sake of it, which what you’re doing with the NBN.

      Come up with some sensible policies and a decent leader FFS and put some real pressure on Labor to perform or be booted.

    • Ryan says:

      03:07pm | 16/12/10

      @Seano: oh please, give us a break you expect us to really believe that you are being objective when we know what a rusted on Labor supporter you are.

      How about Labor actually deliver something other than a massive black hole in our public purse.

    • Seano says:

      04:12pm | 16/12/10

      Ryan - since you are an atypical right wing ranter, I could care less if you’re going to accept my comments at face value because you preceive that I’m a “rusted on Labor supporter”.

      BTW - Labor are delivering an important peice of infrastruture in the NBN which the opposition have opposed from day one for the sake of it and offered us no alternative other than NO. Even with a Lacklustre Labor government the policy vaccum that is the Abbott led opposition will never rule.

    • TimB says:

      05:14pm | 16/12/10

      What perceive Seano? It’s true.

      Watching your logical contortions during the Rudd knifing debacle confirmed that as much as any of the other rubbish you post.

      And they’re opposing the NBN to save the country from a massive &  unneccesary cost. Not surprised you’re incapable of understanding that though.

    • MarK says:

      05:30pm | 16/12/10

      Seano - cost benefit analysis.

      Business case

      Where is it

      Your accusation is a lie. They are opposing it on sensible grounds. Actually opposing it going much too far. they want information. They are opposing a $60billion spend and a return to a monopoly telco shoved down our throat.

      Get it correct.

    • Seano says:

      09:55pm | 16/12/10

      @Mark - do you even know what a cost benefit analysis is? They’re the government, not a business who has to return a profit on every investment. Or are you suggesting that they should not build dams or roads unless there’s a profit in it? It’s weak argument, almost as weak as pretending you’re right without backup that you so often fall into.

      @Timmy - mate I care little for what one right wing ranter thinks, I care even less for what the cheer squad thinks. Unlike mindless conservative drones I am free to criticise whomever I like. I don’t think our current government is good, the problem is of course that the alternative is far worse.

    • TimB says:

      10:49pm | 16/12/10

      Translations of Seano’s comments:

      “You have a different opinion than me! That means I don’t have to pay attention to you, or defend my own arguments! Lalalalala, cant hear you!”

      Very mature of you.

      I’ll let MarK deal with you on your complete lack of understanding Re. the cost benefit thing.

      Hint: It has something to do with the budget.

    • Seano says:

      12:23pm | 17/12/10

      @Timmy - always amusing when you try to be clever, you’ll get it if you keep trying I’m sure.

      At the end of the day, unlike you and your cronies I’m free to criticise or support whomever I like. But you keep sticking to the formula and bowing to the hive mentality.

      BTW Timmy, I’m not surprised you have left the cost benefit analysis for others to deal with, bit above your level obviously. But I wonder how you explain a lack of facilities to people living in the bush on the basis of COB? No dams, roads, telecomunications etc for you. It’s not how governments work, the whole argument is moronic.

      I think the real problem you conservatives have with the NBN is that on this one thing Labor are actually building something. Unlike the 11 years of nothing we had under Howard.

    • Shane From Melbourne says:

      10:57am | 16/12/10

      Gee do I want the ALP to stuff up the country or do I want the Liberal Party to stuff up the country? No wonder so many people voted informal in the last election…..

    • nosthow says:

      11:40am | 16/12/10

      Its Opposition you are in Mitch and Opposition yea shall stay fella ! Oh how sweet it is !!!  hahahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

    • simon says:

      12:28pm | 16/12/10

      Well if the Labor government would put up decent policies then they might have more chance of them getting through. I have not seen one good, solid well thought out policy put forward by the Labor party since Rudd was elected. The NBN is a classic case, very poorly thought out, grossly expensive, forcing the public onto a government made monopoly, better wireless technology available now that makes the project obsolete, and the list goes on for ever. The Gillard government is weak, inept, lacking in vision, deceitful and tricky and once again i can go on. Worst government ever!!!!

    • Shane From Melbourne says:

      02:17pm | 16/12/10

      No, the second worst government ever. The worst government ever title goes to John Howard and his building of the middle class welfare state.

    • The Badger says:

      02:57pm | 16/12/10

      simon and his better wireless technology crap. in your dreams mate

      Give it a rest simon, you’ve already been exposed as a know nothing wannabe techie.

    • MarK says:

      05:27pm | 16/12/10

      Explain why it is crap Badger.

      Tell me what router to but so I can get the full gig of bandwidth.

      Tell what apps i can use that utilise the full gig of bandwidth the system is capable off.

    • Northern Steve says:

      08:49pm | 16/12/10

      Badger, wireless is better, for most purposes.  Your previous posts on this topic have shown you to be completely out of your depth technically in this matter.

      For starters, you won’t get 50% hook up to the fibre network (so far 11% in Tassie), yet we still have to pay the full installation cost regardless of takeup.  Wireless is so much more scaleable, and is as fast as fibre; 4G will be up to 1GBps, and is being installed NOW in the states, and will be across the country in 2-3 years.  (and Korea is investigating 5G).  WHo will want fibre?

    • wally the worker says:

      01:15pm | 16/12/10

      Talk amongst yourselves. Child! Am Not! Are!  Nothing new here folks. “wreckers,” “demolishers,” “spoilers”, “luddites” and “obstructionists” are the far kinder descriptions used by every opposition, and government.  But there’s an underlying, and foreboding issue here, not just the argy bargy expected by both Govt and Opposition. It’s Julia Gillard. It’s her out of depth personal presentation as a Prime Minister. It’s modelled on Margaret Thatcher, one would dare to presume. One would wonder why a Labor Govt would do this. Perhaps Ms Gillard has a vision of the Iron Lady as one who achieved a great following in the British Govt. Ambition is one thing. Truthful self assessment to lead a nation is another. Even a relatively wealthy nation of 21 plus souls needs to have a leader with the benefit of age related wisdom, of a knowledge to understand the needs of all peoples from birth to death. Do we have one?

    • Bruce The Goose says:

      03:04pm | 16/12/10

      YES and her title is the “BOGAN QUEEN” all bow before her greatness

    • tommy says:

      03:50pm | 16/12/10

      WALLY forget the worker . you are just a wally.

    • john says:

      08:25pm | 16/12/10

      Oh Wally, we forgive you if you can’t see we already have enough people running the tupperware PARTIES. Julia is busy organizing Xmas dinner at Kirrribilli House, Kirribilli Ave, Kirribilli, 2061, Sydney, NSW, Australia., Kristina Keneally is bringing the chocolate crackles, Anna Bligh is bringing the banana cake soufflé, And god bless Her Excellency Ms Quentin Bryce who Im sure will bring Australia’s iconic cake, the delicious Lamingtons for evening tea.

      We are in such nice loving care from these people and you want more!!

      Its the old saying, “can please some people some of the time but not all the people all of the time.”

    • Ross says:

      09:55pm | 16/12/10

      The sooner this bastardized version of government is gone the better. Poor, mismanaged, dysfunctional policy after policy will see this country a laughing stock of the world, think about it, ETS, carbon tax, NBN, asylum seekers, all this and more from a leader to busy with her own self preservation to stay at the top. Sucking up to the Greens and independents, who’s policy’s had nothing to do with labor party policy and forced down our throats. Bring on another election.

 

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