When viewers offer feedback about interviews on Lateline, easily the most common complaint is about politicians not answering questions. Nothing irritates people more.

Tony Abbott, one of the only candid politicians in parliament. Picture: Ray Strange

So that I don’t embarrass any particular Member of Parliament – since many are offenders – here’s a little manufactured dialogue to illustrate what I mean.

Me: Minister, what did you have for breakfast?
Minister: For lunch, I had a salad sandwich and then for dinner …
Me: I’m afraid that’s not the question, the question is what you had for breakfast.

Minister: Leigh, if you’d let me finish, for lunch I had a salad sandwich and then for dinner, I had a steak.
Me: Minister, I want to know what you had for breakfast.
Minister: Leigh with all due respect, the issue is not breakfast, the issue is lunch and for lunch, I had a salad sandwich.
Me: The reason I’m persisting is because I think my viewers would like to know what you had for breakfast. You’ve not answered the question.
Minister: Leigh, I have answered your question, but if you need me to make it clear for you one more time, for lunch I had a salad sandwich.

Why do some politicians do that? Obviously some media trainer somewhere has taught them to ignore questions they don’t like and shift the discussion to more comfortable ground.

But the tactic has surely jumped the shark. It’s now so endemic that viewers see straight through it. They make two assumptions when a politician ignores a question: it’s too difficult or there’s something to hide.

Not all politicians duck difficult questions. In fact, some of them are pretty good at rebuttal using logic, intellect and conviction rather than relying on spin. The more self-assured ones sometimes even concede a point or two.

One of the more memorable Lateline interviews of recent years was when Tony Abbott fronted up after a particularly bad day during the last election campaign.

He made no attempt to put a positive gloss on it, instead frankly admitting to my colleague Tony Jones that ‘shit happens’. But that’s pretty rare. If you listen to most political interviews on Lateline, you will note questions are often repeated in an attempt to cut through pollie-waffle.

I wish more politicians understood the benefits of being frank or trying to answer questions head on instead of skirting them. One, it can be persuasive. Two, viewers award points for guts. Anyone can win over an audience on a good day or under sympathetic questioning.

But it’s much harder to convince an audience who may not be on side or to make your case in the face of challenges.

Viewers sometimes say to me ‘I don’t know how you keep your cool’ or ‘I could tell you were getting frustrated’. Sure, I get frustrated when politicians don’t answer questions. But based on the feedback I get from viewers, I’m not the only one. Non-answers irritate hundreds of thousands of people watching at home too. And they all vote.

Here are this fortnight’s ten interesting things to read, watch or listen to:

1. Perhaps the most famous example ever of a television interviewee not answering a question is the British Home Secretary, Michael Howard, under questioning from the BBC’s Jeremy Paxman. Paxman asked the same question twelve times without eliciting an answer. The key part is about four minutes in.

2. Lest anyone think my made-up dialogue about breakfast/lunch is exaggerated in its repetition, I refer you to exhibit A: The Chaser’s tally of Peter Garrett’s use of the word ‘jocular’ in the fallout over a conversation he had with journalist Steve Price during the last election campaign.

3. John Howard recently gave a speech at Melbourne University’s Centre for Advanced Journalism about whether journalists and politicians are adversaries or bedfellows.  A week later a panel of journalists (Paul Kelly, Alan Kohler, George Megalogenis and me) gave their take.

4. If you own a cat, no doubt this happens to you too every morning.

5. Earlier this year, Stephen Fry gave the inaugural Spectator Lecture in Britain. His topic was ‘America’s Place in the World’. Whether you agree with all his observations, it is a textbook example of how to write a great speech full of original insights. I warn you it’s long. But worth it.

6. National Geographic printed a great story and brilliant photo about a couple whose holiday snap was hijacked by a squirrel. The critter went viral, with a website where you could ‘squirrelize’ any photo.

7. If you’re the sort of person who takes pleasure in a great looking library or bookstore, this is the website for you.  It’s a shame that the text is crass (they’ve called it ‘hot library smut’). It’s not funny and it takes away from what’s otherwise a great idea. (thanks @dlewis89 on twitter)

8. The New Yorker published an article earlier this year on lesbian separatists in the 1970s. It was one of the most bizarre and entertaining things I’ve read this year. I laughed out loud, although I’m still not sure if it was meant to be funny or not.

9. Psychologist Robert Feldman has written a book about the amount of lying all of us do and why. The Guardian printed a fascinating extract.

10. I found this quiz in The Philosophers’ Magazine rather interesting. It assesses whether your religious views are rationally consistent.

You can follow Leigh Sales on twitter via @leighsales or watch her on Lateline on ABC1.


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    • charlie says:

      08:26am | 26/08/09

      Leigh what I’ve never understood is why journalists and in particular interviewers move on to other questions when a politician is obviously evading the question asked. This is why it’s done in the first place because the politician or business person knows they can get away with it. At the end of the day most interviewees are using the television program to raise their own profile and get their ideas across, ie they need to be interviewed as much as the program needs people to interview.
      At the very least the interview should not proceed until the interviewee makes a clear statement that they refuse to answer the question.

    • Michael says:

      08:56am | 26/08/09

      I seem to remember a certain Lateline interview where our PM had similar difficulties answering Tony Jones’ questions:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJFL6ZUe-fI

      This interview was more like:

      q: “PM, what did you have for breakfast?”

      a: “Well, Tony, when it comes to basic sustenance, the real question here goes to the chemical structure of carbohydrates.”

    • person1 says:

      09:15am | 26/08/09

      Interesting that Kevin Rudd is the absolute king of this tactic and yet he is NOT mentioned at all.

    • Peter says:

      09:20am | 26/08/09

      Perhaps pollies would be more honest if every deviance from the Party line were not greeted, by the lazy imbiciles in the media, with banner headlines about ‘splits’ and ‘disunity’.

      Indeed, the tacit, but popular, journalistic nostrum that somehow monolithic opinion is a ‘good thing’ and the policy contrarianism is to be avoided is far more ample demonstration of the inherent Left-bias of the media (or perhaps the media’s rank inability to grasp the idea that arguments can be multi-faceted) than any textual analysis of who-says-what on the ABC.

      Too many journos are simply dumb.  They cannot handle complexity and feel that their readers/listeners/viewers can’t either - an opinion lamentably shared by most news editors.

      Thus serious consideration of policy issues gets lost in a ‘horse race’ mentality of reporting on opinion polls, or of deviationism from what journos consider to be the welcome ‘groupthink’ of the Caucus or Party Room.

      If we had better journos, we would have better pollies.  But we don’t and, quite frankly Leigh, you and your colleagues have got what you deserved, because you have helped to create the problem.

      So, if I may be so blunt, stop asking stupid questions about ‘policy splits’, leadership tensions and opinion polls and start probing for an analysis of the policy detail itself.

      You are in a position to do these thing.  Why not try it?  Even for a week or two?

    • Nick says:

      09:56am | 26/08/09

      I almost stood up and cheered when I saw Leigh call a pollie - I think it was Gillard - on a non-answer. It should be done every time.

      It has got to the point where it is pointless having politicians on TV and radio because they refuse to utter anything that’s not the pre-determined party spin.

      Journalists have been derelict in their duty in letting them get away with it for so long. It harms the democratic process.

      I realise that not all interviews can decend into the Paxman farce, but the reporter should make it clear before moving on that the politician has refused to answer.

      This practice reflects as badly on the interviewer as it does on the politician. But hopefully now the tide has turned.

    • Socrates says:

      10:00am | 26/08/09

      In the case of many ABC (and SBS) interviews, the issue of getting answers seems to depend on which side of politics is being quizzed.

      While “balance” is maintained in nominal terms (3 minutes, say, for each side), the difference in approach is palpable.  Conservative pollies have every sentence aggressively interrupted with calculated disdain, while those from the Left enjoy a much more friendly approach with much head-nodding and encouragement.

      But it’s all perfectly balanced - they got three minutes each!

    • Ben says:

      10:07am | 26/08/09

      Leigh

      If politicians are blatantly avoiding answering journalists questions and the public are, as you contend, now all aware of this, then why do you and other journalists keep raising the issue? Surely the public will act accordingly when they come to consider these politicians futures.

      I don’t think it’s great for our public discourse that this occurs but it has a context as you very well know.

      First, of your course breakfast scenario arises out of media training because the politician wants to get a point across which. Your piece assumes that because you and other journalists get to decide what issues are and are not aired publicly.

      Every day in newsrooms and at program like Lateline you and your colleagues decide what issues you will address - what is your criteria? Don’t you and other less serious media outlets decide on the what you call ‘news values’? Who decides what is newsworthy? You do of course!
      You wonder why politicians don’t answer your questions, we could just as easily ask you why you don’t cover certain issues.

      Secondly, lets not forget Kim Beazley’s demise as Leader of the ALP. He was continually criticised by political commentators for having too complex a vocabulary and for being too wordy in responding to questions from the media. So Leigh Beazley was often criticized by the media for answering media questions in too much detail using language that was deemd too complex, can you blame pollies for not trying to answer questions which actually have complex answers.

      Thirdly, you and your colleagues decide what gets screened, aired or published except of course in live interviews. If someone talks for 10 minutes on camera for 10 minutes journalists will use not only a tiny peice of that conversation but also decide what bit to use on the basis of what the journalists think goes best with their story rather than on what points the person making the comment wanted to make. 
      In a situation where again the media is the self appointed arbiters of what opinion is made public can you really blame people for trying to ensure that the point they really want to make gets included? This is why they say the same things over and over again.

      I’m not saying the media is to blame for the degrading of public discourse, but you surely have a significant role to play and its absolutely unfair to blame politicians or anyone else commenting in the media for not attempting to answer questions fully or in detail when they will be often harshly judged by the media for their ‘performance’ and when the context of what they say is often distorted in putting stories together.

    • Hanfony of Adelaide says:

      10:14am | 26/08/09

      It’s quite simple why they don’t answer questions.
      a) they don’t know enough to be able to give a sensible reply,
      and b) whatever they do say will come back and bite them.
      If I were ( god forbid ) a pollie I wouldn’t even let people finish asking their questions - just walk off rather than dob myself in.

    • Wayne says:

      10:31am | 26/08/09

      I watch Parliamentary Question Time on the ABC regularly.  Kevin Rudd in particular, rarely, if ever, answers a question.  He casts off into totally unrelated subjects all the time.  The Opposition will call a Point of Order which goes to relevance several times and The Speaker always responds by saying, “The Prime Minister is answering, (or coming to), the question”.

      He gets away with it all consistently, even if supplementary questions are posed to the same effect.  The situation may be resolved by removing Party aligned Speakers from the position and replacing them with an impartial retired Judge.

      As it stands, Question Time is a completely irrelevant waste of everybody’s time.

    • Joe says:

      10:39am | 26/08/09

      I agree that Abbott is one of the few honest politicians who isn’t spin driven. It is a pity the left wing media are so keen to get him. This only teaches politicians to be vague and spinless, that if you believe in something and say so the media will go after you, so better to just spin.

      Without their daily briefing of one liners most pollies don’t seem to know what they stand for - Garrett’s jocular line shows this exactly. The sad thing is that Garrett would have gotten only one of those lines on the news and would have gotten away with it. I hope that with new media we will soon be able to see the complete footage of a door step/interview online, not just the half a sentence we get now in the news. We need more light shed on these tricks of pollies like this. Like Rudd not allowing journalists to ask supplementary questions or to even be on the plane with him to events, or only going on shows like Rove, or dropping bad news on a Friday afternoon, or dropping news on days to cover up for bad news.

      Journos please let us know the tricks like this that our politicians are using to spin to us. That is also your job.

    • Anthony says:

      10:40am | 26/08/09

      The media is that polarised about opinions and support for politicians that there is little point in devoting time to sit through these tedious, evasive moments in Australian television. Interactions are scripted and predictable. Frenzy and controversy for the sake of it to the point where that is even predictable, this is where Australian political journalism is heading, much like the dying days of Big Brother.

    • Jon says:

      10:49am | 26/08/09

      Leigh blames the politicians when the fault lies partially with her approach to interviewing - which is the “ABC agressive” interview, talking over the top of her subject and not letting them answer a question. I watch Larry King on CNN from time to time and he rarely has problems because he goes to great lengths to make his subjects feel relaxed. Most people who go on Lateline are already on guard for the pathetic traps and abuse, and that is why they don’t answer your questions.
      As for you getting frustrated - I get more frustrated by the agressive tactics that rarely reveal any insights and are designed to belittle people.
      The role of the journalist is to ask the questions and not pass judgement on the quality of the response - that is up to the listener or reader, who will then pass judgement at the next election.
      My advice to Leigh and her ABC colleagues is to put their egos back in a bottle and spend a few hours watching Larry King, to learn how to conduct an interview.

    • Peter says:

      10:51am | 26/08/09

      If you notice Rudd does not get “interviewed”. When ever we see him he is preaching his “mantra” or talking about the “alternative Government and Leader” or the “previous Government”. All the other Labor ministers and staff all read from the same script. Wong, Gillard, Swan, ALbanese, Tannner etc are all clones.

    • Megsie says:

      11:14am | 26/08/09

      To get off the high horse and back to the purpose of the post (giving us interesting things to read)...
      Just did the Battlefield God quiz. 1 direct hit and 1 question where I could have chosen to bite the bullet but took the hit instead (I’m doing this at work and not spending as much time thinking through the answers as I should have, I concede I contradicted myself). Fascinating!

    • Stumped says:

      12:14pm | 26/08/09

      I got through the battle field clean, but I must say I got rather annoyed at having to defend a ‘god’ that I don’t actually believe in (after answering it in the first question). Rather odd.

      Pollies tell the stories that they need to tell to get elected. The media tell the stories that they need to tell to sell papers. Neither actually has a vested interest in the truth - they are just interested in ensuring that they have a job tomorrow.

    • Frank says:

      12:30pm | 26/08/09

      where is kevin rudd????? he is the inventor of it lol. but nice to know u still like find something on john howard lol. must only mean ur the typical labor voter.

    • Robert says:

      12:31pm | 26/08/09

      Just tell them if they don’t answer the question the interview will stop. And will highight their evasion.

    • john Whitsunday says:

      12:46pm | 26/08/09

      All pollies know a tv or radio interview has program time restraints. The interviewer asks…What is your policy on education,,,the pollie will respond with ...unlike the previous government who blah blah blah….this takes up a lot of time allotted to the interview. The A B C loves to let left leaning pollies have a good bash at the other side before even attempting an answer to the question.
      A good interviewer would cut the pollie off by asking for the question to be answered without the waffle.
      I do think Legh Sales is far better than Tony Jones in this regard. Jones bias is appalling .

    • TimT says:

      12:48pm | 26/08/09

      Yes, I read that 1970s lesbian separatist article too. The lesbian separatists sounded quite fun and lovely in their own ‘I-hate-you-and-want-to-destroy-the-patriarchy-that-you-are-a -member of’ kind of way.

    • Monty says:

      01:05pm | 26/08/09

      Who wants to know what he had for breakfast????!!!!! Surely it would be more pertinant to ask hard questions, some Pollies can’t evade!

    • Chris says:

      02:00pm | 26/08/09

      Ah Monty, bless.

    • Steve B says:

      03:42pm | 26/08/09

      Ms Sales, anyone who has listened to or watched Question Time in either house knows the answer is that politicians of both sides are answering your questions in pretty much the same fashion as they answer each others. The amount of times a simple yes/no question results in a 5 minute waffle which usually manages to blame previous government policy (or lack of) but in no way will actually include either yes or no.

      I personally feel the greatest facilitator of this rediculous situation in Parliament is the appointment of the Speaker/President from the ranks of the government, how anyone was ever supposed to believe that allowing the stronger of two teams in a contest to also choose one of their own as referee is quite beyond me. I guess at the time it was thought politicians may actually believe in that “Honourable” title.

      As for your own situation as an interviewer, I would suggest you practice the following phrase:

      “As you seem unwilling or unable to answer my question, we’ll move on to the next.”

      I don’t actually believe it would get you the answer you were looking for, but it will make you look less of a prat for continuing to ask the same question over and over.

    • Helen Dindas says:

      03:44pm | 26/08/09

      Breakfast or supper????

      My late husban had and breakfast and supper in time and our merriges lasted 65 years. What about our minister?

    • marce says:

      06:16pm | 26/08/09

      Leigh as much as I love your work (and this blog series), respectfully, Abbott’s “shit happens” was hardly a convincing or logical argument, or a good example of political candor.

      And as for your breakfasting politician, why would the “straw man” of your argument need to eat at all? While I hate politicians not answering questions as much as the next politics addict, sometimes it is completely legitimate for a politician to deny the premise of a question. If they didn’t they’d be fools and the media would gleefully call them on their ‘slip’ the morning after your interview. As, if you recall, they did with Abbott. (Although claiming they have actually answered the question when they haven’t is another thing).

      If the media stopped eating politicians alive when they do speak with candour (branding truth as gaffe) maybe they would do it more often. Be the change you want to see in media-politician relations! (with apologies to Gandhi).

    • Simon says:

      07:48pm | 26/08/09

      Leigh, I just watched your section on the slow TV segment Politics and journalism.

      Very nice philosophy. Good for you.
      I wonder if your too close to pick those on the ABC who allow their “Prisms” get in the way of straight reporting.
      In particular think Climate Change.

    • Greg Smith (aka @prlab) says:

      09:09pm | 26/08/09

      The problem now is that the standard of journalism is declining – a result of the education system and media cutbacks. Sure, Kerry O’Brien sometimes starts talking tough, but melts. The problem is that TV and radio have a slot to fill. But don’t they have standby stories? I reckon if a politician can’t answer the question, finish the interview and move on. They’ll soon wise-up.

    • koo says:

      09:42pm | 26/08/09

      Agreed, Leigh. While I have massive disagreements with the political views of Tony Abbott and Barnaby Joyce (for example), I have a lot of respect for their candidness and lack of obvious spin. Wish more shared those particular traits.

    • jim says:

      02:10am | 27/08/09

      The ABC news are the only news I watch, simply because they ask the questions I’d like them to ask.

      Every other channel would have Politicians giving pre-made answers…

      Leigh, you could use this response next time:
      “That was a nice introduction, so following through what you just said, how does that explain…<insert the question rephrased>”

      I’d like to hear Journo’s for once say to a Politician “I’m sorry, I didn’t understand that answer, in context of the question. Can you explain it differently in a more understandable explanation”

    • Daniel says:

      02:25pm | 09/09/09

      Leigh, I have to say i get so frustrated by most of your guests but i think Tony has a real knack of pinning them down more than you do. Julia Gillard has to be one of the best TV pollie performers I have seen in a long time. I’m not sure why she nods and moves when she answers questions though. For every word in an interview she did with you. She was nodding wildly and moving side to side. What she said wasn’t bad but I couldn’t get the head wobbling and the swaying though. She is the best ALP politician the ALP has at the moment I think.

 

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