Stand by for the Kevin Caravan, that cavalcade of bad jokes and cheesy lines we saw used so effectively in the 2007 election, and never really since.

One happy little vegemite. Photo:Gary Ramage

From touchdown today Kevin Rudd will be putting on a show, not just for his Caucus buddies but for the general electorate, those people his wife yesterday asked to lobby their local Labor MP on her husband’s behalf.

Mr Rudd will be calling for support from people not in Parliament, not even in the Labor Party. He wants to be able to claim a popular groundswell.

It will be a weekend of Kevin - Kevin pleased to be returning to the bosom of the family; Kevin nodding appreciatively as a voter gives friendly advice; Kevin staring into the middle distance as he contemplates the future. Anna Bligh will fit in there somewhere.

And of course there will be facial expressions of the “shock and disappointment’’ he felt after personal attacks on him by Wayne Swan and others. The inhumanity.

We will see everything except the scores of telephone calls he will be making to Caucus members to get their votes, or to take advice on strategy.

And remember the cheesiness? We had a hint yesterday in his final Washington press conference when he said, “I must now return to Australia, aircraft await…’’

Finally, two and a half pages of transcript later we came across familiar wordage: “...and as they say in the classics, I’ve got to zip.’‘

The Kevin Caravan will be different to the Julia Juggernaut.

The Prime Minister will continue to be a prime minister with related duties and won’t have the luxury of Mr Rudd, who until Monday at least has no day job and can concentrate on corralling Caucus votes.

A Julia Gillard appeal to the broad electorate would have limited success because as every opinion poll shows she is heavily marked down by voters. She insists policy achievements will change that. But Kevin Rudd has the advantage of not having introduced a “carbon tax’‘.*

His appeal to supporters outside the party room carries risks for Labor. It could be decided that the only way to counter that appeal would be to destroy him, at least in the eyes of the public.

That would be a messy spectacle and would convince many voters Labor was dominated by the politics of viciousness.

And as cabinet minister and Rudd backer Martin Ferguson yesterday said, it could simply provide campaign advertising fodder for the Liberals.

But the alternative prospect is that the general public would see a false Kevin Rudd, and not the one who has been undermining Julia Gillard while she has been Prime Minister; who was a difficult leader unresponsive or hostile towards many of the concerns of colleagues.

There are many Caucus members who know what a struggle it was to work under Rudd PM, it might now be time for the voters to hear the full details.

Forget what Wayne Swan and Stephen Conroy have had to say so far. That’s just the start and the dossiers are large. For 20 months people have been biting their tongue but now see no need to stay silent.

But that leaves past comments lingering in the public’s memory. “I reckon we’ve got a terrific Prime Minister,’’ Mr Swan said in May, 2010.

It’s the suggestion of sabotage of the 2010 election - repeatedly denied by Mr Rudd - which angers many senior figures. He has said he had no roll in damaging leaks but fingers are also pointed to the frigid reconciliation he had with Julia Gillard just days before the election and his tendency to run his own campaign outside the official one.

The idea Kevin Rudd is presenting himself as an election winner after his roll in denying Ms Gillard her victory is too much for some to take.

The Prime Minister wants Mr Rudd to match her promise that, if she loses the Monday ballot she will renounce all leadership ambitions.

He probably won’t, and why should he? Why should he be the only one of 103 not allowed to be ambitious?

He is entitled to keep pursuing the leadership, that is if there is anything left of him after his colleagues have finished.

[* Ministers are now prepared to put their names to the stories they could not tell in public after his removal, about what life was like in the heart of the Rudd machine. However, it was Mr Rudd who first gave voters a peek into that period of federal politics. In April last year he appeared on the ABC’s Q&A with a very one-sided account of what happened to his Emissions Trading Scheme. He said some cabinet colleagues wanted to junk it and he had to be quick smart to save it.

“You had some folk who wanted to get rid of it altogether, that is kill the ETS as a future proposition for the country. I couldn’t abide that,’’ he told the TV audience. The point of the breach of cabinet confidentiality was that the quest for a carbon price would have disappeared if he had not been able to send the carbon plan off to the safety of the future before it was completely ravaged.

In this new period of openness, prepare for that account to be one of several which will be questioned.]

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    • Ricky-B says:

      05:05am | 24/02/12

      Rudd makes my skin crawl. He will say whatever he thinks people want to hear. Seriously, Julia Gillard is completly useless as a prime minister, but Rudd is worse. God help Australia if this narcisstic moron gets back in.

    • Little Joe says:

      06:39am | 24/02/12

      Remember back in 2007 ..... “We’re ready to govern!!!”??

      The ALP is one expensive joke!!!

    • acotrel says:

      06:54am | 24/02/12

      ‘Rudd makes my skin crawl. He will say whatever he thinks people want to hear.’

      But Tony Abbott is alright - he never does that ? Well that makes sense ! ! DERRR ! !

    • Nilbog says:

      07:34am | 24/02/12

      Acotrel, you need to get out from behind his computer and enjoy his twilight years…

      Surely you have better things to do than sit on a computer all posting on here?

      Most of us only use it as a distraction from work…

    • gobsmack says:

      07:39am | 24/02/12

      My estimate of the average judgment and intelligence of the Australian electorate is lowered further by the apparent popularity of this creepy phoney.

    • Barry Warthog says:

      07:43am | 24/02/12

      So very true Ricky. To hear this bloke going on again with the same old language eg, core questions, fundamental etc, makes me physically ill. What the hell is this Party all about though? The so called “Faceless Men”. Well how about naming them so the public knows who they actually are. Get out of office now you Labor jokes, you are a disgrace to the country and to yourselves.

    • Daemon says:

      07:44am | 24/02/12

      Rudd makes my skin crawl. He will say whatever he thinks people want to hear.

      LOL and none of the others from either side do that do they? We will never know how the electorate would have voted if he had led the ALP to the election after the night of long knives, because we weren’t given the opportunity to vote for him as leader.

      Narcissistic Moron perhaps, but at least we would have been the ones making the decision, not the faceless men of the unions.

    • Tom says:

      07:56am | 24/02/12

      Labor and Liberal can’t govern in its own right because Mr Abbott is “not mainstream enough” and PM Gillard should not have been persuaded by the “faceless men” to achieve her ambition by having to knife the leader trailing in the polls.

      It’s clear that Labor supporters and perhaps swinging voters like myself want Mr Rudd back in his old job.  I think Mr Rudd is smart enough to modify his leadership style to work with Labor colleagues.

      Labor MPs know that the Labor party will be decimated in the next election if the status quo is maintained - even with Mr Abbott as the challenger!

      Mr Abbott is doing a good job in opposing the government of the day.  But that is only keeping the seat warm.  The Liberal Party should wise up and have Mr Malcolm Turnbull back at the helm.  He has integrity, socially progressive and intellectually persuasive.

      Despite the imperfections of democracy, Australians are fortunate to have great talents and a choice of candidates for the top job!

    • Bob_M says:

      08:02am | 24/02/12

      You are dead right Ricky-B. This is simply Recycled Rudd and he will say and do what ever it takes - haven’t we heard all this before? Just like Gillard. And to ask for “people power” to get him back in? Hey I have a great idea for people power. It’s called an E L E C T I O N

    • Kaby says:

      08:03am | 24/02/12

      I cannot listen to Rudd speak without cringing at his tone and condescending attitude.  Therese Rein lost me the moment she said “the ordinary people” - I refuse to be classed as ordinary and find the entire notion of Rudd being returned as PM through people power laughable and childish.  He has an inflated view of his own popularity still has yet to nominate for the ballot because the numbers aren’t there.

    • Rosie says:

      08:14am | 24/02/12

      Have no fear Rudd is campaigning for Tony Abbott to become the next PM. What he is now saying about Julia is cream on the cake for Tony Abbott!

    • Rosie says:

      09:10am | 24/02/12

      Things just get better for Tony Abbott. He now has Rudd campaigning for him by giving us the true account of the real Julia as his deputy and caucus secrets. Then if he wins on Monday, Nicole Roxon and others will walk away and bring down the govt. People will get what they want! Hooray Elections! The irony of it all, it took their selfishness and deceitfulness to bring down their Labor govt and hand the Prime Ministership to the very person they loath.

    • Skepdad says:

      09:27am | 24/02/12

      @kaby: every time Julia opens her mouth to the public, she sounds like she’s trying to explain quantum physics to a Labrador. And you call *Rudd* condascending?

    • T Abbott says:

      09:45am | 24/02/12

      You don’t expect me to have the answers do you? What am I the answer man? Just vote for me!

    • john says:

      09:59am | 24/02/12

      Let do the time warp again!!

      http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6827163268088648679

      Oh come-on PUNCH team the ridicule is begging for the taking.

      Rudd back & Turnbull back.

      Oh why not go back to the future and have Hawke & Keating back for old times sake?...using a BACK to the FUTURE delorean!!

      Howard & Costello even?

    • Martin says:

      11:45am | 24/02/12

      @T. Abbott

      Of course not. Thanks anyway for completely blowing your chance at Government by having nothing to offer us except NO. Rudd will defeat you at the end of next year as easily as he defeated Howard.

    • Rosie says:

      11:56am | 24/02/12

      @ John & Others

      Try harder! Not up to you, Oakeshott, Turnbull or the people including myself for the LNP to swap their leader. It is in the hands of the LNP cabinet. Don’t link the instability of an incompetent chaotic govt to the alternative! For the good of the nation waste your energy trying to stabilize the govt we have to despairingly endure. It is a nightmare!

      For the good of the nation and not for self interest, give back to Rudd what belongs to Rudd if Oakeshott, Windsor and the Labor Party will not do something about holding elections asap!

      Oakeshott & Windsor put Gillard Labor into govt, they paraded around with that power. Now is the time to put the people’s interest first and with that power, step down and call for elections. It is a God given chance for them to redeem themselves for their stupidity and selfishness. They can claim to be the heroes end put an end to this embarrassing chaos. If we have elections now, those in the Labor party can eat each other alive for all I care!

    • john says:

      12:24pm | 24/02/12

      @Rosie “Now is the time to put the people’s interest first and with that power, step down and call for elections. It is a God given chance for them to redeem themselves for their stupidity and selfishness.”

      No,No,No, Rosie, that’s not how democracy works, the constitution is not something you can bend or change the rules to suit.

      The constitution is very very clear, its a 3 year term before an election is called.  For better or worse, there is a government with the numbers to govern the house still. If one party can’t then other party that obtains the numbers can go to the GG and form a government to run the house until the next election or a double dissolution which-ever comes first.

      The people made their choice. I always say to people careful what you wish for.

      Just enjoy the politics, its loads of fun.

    • SZF says:

      12:24pm | 24/02/12

      The adage “A people get the government they deserve” rings loudly here. Gillard, Rudd or Abbott??? For f*ck’s sake Australia, can we please lift our game!?

      I haven’t voted 1 LNP for years, but kick the 3 monkeys off the island and I’ll vote for Malcolm Turnbull in an instant, planet-sized ego and all. At least he’s shown the courage of his convictions.

    • john says:

      12:56pm | 24/02/12

      @SZF ” I’ll vote for Malcolm Turnbull in an instant,” -so would I.
      Malcolm Turnbull as a populist leader with TA as deputy until he matures would probably see a landslide to end the labor party to a minority party.  A leadership swap after the second liberal term to Abbott will probably see the liberals through for another 2 terms. i.e 12 years until about ~2025. We will probably go through another economic boom to make the early part of the last decade look like an experiment, because the mining game for the liberals has a ahead start.

      Inflation will rise, house prices will go through the roof. Gov coffers will be sinking through to the middle of the earth by the sheer weigh of savings. The dollar could rival the EU’s.

      Careful what you wish for. Too much prosperity will be damaging. You think Australia is expensive now…if the the libs got in we won’t be able to afford to live in our already over expensive cities.

      I don’t agree with one party having so much power, look what Howard did when he was drunk with power, even blindly followed Bush jr/blair to war!!

      Nowadays its better politicians don’t have any power to do anything, because they always stuff it up at our expense.

    • Rosie says:

      03:22pm | 24/02/12

      It seems we have losers that want Turnbull to be contest the Prime ministership. Sorry he has to be elected by his party and in case you don’t know the contest is Rudd V Gillard. Wait until he cannot do something about getting rid of Tony Abbott as the LNP leader. That folks is democracy!

      I feel sad and sorry for those of us that do not follow politics. This weird selfishness mob have humiliated the people. We have some of our fellow Australians ringing up Liberal and National MPs begging them to vote for Rudd. I am not sure whether to laugh or cry!

    • Tom says:

      03:33pm | 24/02/12

      All the Labor robots chanting the “bring back Turnbull” song, Abbott is our next PM, suck it up. Concentrate on your own dreadful party. The LNP is in very good hands, as will be Australia when voters kick Labor out .

    • Rosie says:

      03:41pm | 24/02/12

      Ooooooops hard work sticking up for Tony Abbott and now Rudd!

      Meant to say;

      It seems we have losers that want Turnbull to contest the Prime ministership. Sorry he has to be elected by his party and in case you don’t know the contest is Rudd V Gillard. Wait until he can do something about getting rid of Tony Abbott as the LNP leader. That folks is democracy!

    • Chris says:

      06:54pm | 24/02/12

      Where is Lindsay Tanner????
      He is the one bloke who knows both really well and has nothing to lose. He should make the decision on who is the least hopeless PM.

    • Patricia Knight says:

      09:58am | 25/02/12

      I agree with you 100% you have hit the nail on the head .... I can’t believe how others .... So many others think he should be PM don’t they realize the damage he has and will do if he is allowed back.  I don’t think JG is marvelous but I do admire her spirit but she and the others should have spoken up much sooner after all it is our country not a handful of pollies hiding the facts from us who are paying the price.

    • Ricky-B says:

      05:05am | 24/02/12

      Rudd makes my skin crawl. He will say whatever he thinks people want to hear. Seriously, Julia Gillard is completly useless as a prime minister, but Rudd is worse. God help Australia if this narcisstic moron gets back in.

    • Erick says:

      05:05am | 24/02/12

      Rudd and Gillard are just two figureheads fighting to be the face of the same nasty, corrupt political structure. The ALP is the real villain of the story, and will persist regardless.

      Whoever wins leadership, it’s more important to make sure that Labor loses.

    • L. says:

      07:53am | 24/02/12

      Quite right Eric,

      It reminds me of the tag line from Alien Vs Predator:

      “Whoever wins, we lose…”

    • Peter says:

      08:11am | 24/02/12

      The conservatives are scared of his populism, as they realise that two can play Tony’s game.

    • asdf says:

      09:12am | 24/02/12

      Haha, love the Alien Vs.Predator reference. Couldn’t be more appropriate.
      I am so sick of labor, everytime they have a new policy it costs our family money. Tony Abbot I fear will push Catholic agendas (despite 116 of the constitution).
      I long for John Howard to come back who I think will go down as one of the best leaders this country ever had. He never shied away from hard decisions and there was nowhere near as much as this media pandering.

    • asdf says:

      09:12am | 24/02/12

      Haha, love the Alien Vs.Predator reference. Couldn’t be more appropriate.
      I am so sick of labor, everytime they have a new policy it costs our family money. Tony Abbot I fear will push Catholic agendas (despite 116 of the constitution).
      I long for John Howard to come back who I think will go down as one of the best leaders this country ever had. He never shied away from hard decisions and there was nowhere near as much as this media pandering.

    • Rose says:

      11:40am | 24/02/12

      asdf, I’m curious, what exactly did Howard do that makes him so great? Get involved in America’s unnecessary wars? Save a few bucks while squandering absolutely billions on middle class welfare? Cease pretty much all government spending on infrastructure and services? Run down health and education? Increase the wealth of some at the expense of the most vulnerable? Orchestrate policies which increased the cost of housing so that it is now out of reach of the young in many areas? Demonize the already disenfranchised in order to promote a populist but destructive social agenda?
      Howard was not a great PM, he wasn’t even a good one. He road the coattails of Hawke/ Keatng reforms during a mining boom. He was in fact a poor PM who didn’t really do anything to build the future of the nation.

    • marley says:

      12:49pm | 24/02/12

      @Rose - and here I was, thinking health, education and infrastructure, not to mention land release and stamp duty, were State responsibilities.  But we wouldn’t want to attribute any of the failures in these areas to the State governments, would we?  Governments which were, if memory serves, wall-to-wall ALP.

    • Steve says:

      07:35pm | 24/02/12

      Labor hasnt worked out yet that people don’t like union thugs. People will vote for Rudd because he isn’t union. Gillard, Shorten, Combet, etc will drag Labor lower and lower.

    • Little Joe says:

      08:52pm | 24/02/12

      Correct again Marley

    • Nathan says:

      05:09am | 24/02/12

      I don’t think that it is unreasonable to ask Rudd to sit in the back and shut up if he doesn’t get close to the numbers he needs. He can by all means have a crack after the next election, which will be more than likely in opposition, but to continue stir trouble would be unreasonable of him.

      I don’t know how Rudd has managed to distance himself from the carbon tax, he was there front and centre hugging Gillard he is accountable for any positive or negative outcomes.

    • rudd4pm says:

      06:47am | 24/02/12

      Unlike Gillard Rudd has talent and people like and want him. Gillard fans like u have let Australia down!

    • Nathan says:

      07:23am | 24/02/12

      @rudd4pm
      Name one thing that i wrote that was negative about Rudd above? There isn’t one they are just observations. There was no pro Rudd message the same that there was no pro Gillard remark.

      I am not a Gillard fan not that i would have to defend that even if i was. Pretty sure it has been the Labor party that has been the disappointment Rudd included, as a Labor voter i find it harder and harder to defend the party. I am going take a punt here and guess your a Queenslander

    • L. says:

      07:56am | 24/02/12

      “Unlike Gillard Rudd has talent”

      Really..?

      What did Rudd achieve again..??

    • Richard D. says:

      07:58am | 24/02/12

      Krudd has not one ounce of talent. Look at his inability to articulate his message which is normally a lot of senseless one liners. The only persons besides Rudd4PM who thinks this, is his family and Krudd himself. Krudd’s history over the last 20 years confirms his lack of talent.

    • gobsmack says:

      08:01am | 24/02/12

      Rudd was the laxative required to dislodge Howard.  Beyond that, he is useless.

    • SimonFromLakemba says:

      08:12am | 24/02/12

      “What did Rudd achieve again..”

      He thumped the sitting Liberal Government and made the PM lose his seat.

    • Martin says:

      08:13am | 24/02/12

      @rudd4pm

      Helluva leap there tiger: you know nothing about Nathan’s allegiances.

    • Ben says:

      10:04am | 24/02/12

      @rudd4pm, If Rudd was so talented and people liked him why did his own party shit on him and then tell everyone that he was a megalomaniac and was responsible for leading a fractious and paralysed government?

    • thatmosis says:

      11:01am | 24/02/12

      He hasnt as yet said that he will contest the leadership and why should he. If he finds he hasnt the numbers then he should turn up on Monday morning and go to the backbenches and continue to white ant Joolia at every opportunity.
        They cant chuck him out of the party as this would mean an election, which they would not only lose but become a non party, so he would have another 18 months of getting his own back and Joolia and the faceless men would have to wear it. This is priceless.
        If he has got the numbers the fascination with him as PM again will last as long as it takes the ink to dry on the proclaimation and then he would once again revert to style and Abbott hasnt got to do or say anything to win the next election in a land slide. Unfortunatley for the Labor party the old maths solution of two negatives making a positive doesnt apply here as what we would have, whoever wins, is one loser beating another loser.

    • Momo says:

      11:02am | 24/02/12

      Nathan nice. Twisting your words to suit your changing views. Nice.

    • Stephen T says:

      03:23pm | 24/02/12

      @gobsmack: You have sumed it up quiet nicely, thank you.

    • Philosopher says:

      03:20pm | 25/02/12

      The polls are all the same. Rudd is ahead of Gillard 58 to 34 or similar figures.  He is also ahead of Abbot as preferred Prime Minister. Hawker is correct. Rudd is the best option Labour has of saving its skin.

    • Philosopher says:

      10:45am | 26/02/12

      Many of you people dont understand the ALP and the faction bosses. Read Rudd’s Comments today about how Swan did not utter one word of advice or criticism until he was shafted by Gillard.  Read his comments about Nicola Roxon who said nothing to him at all until after he was gone and at the airport expressed her support for his behaviour. Now they are behaving disgracefully. Ditto Crean, ditto Combet and the others.

      Look at the vote today on 7. It was 83% for Rudd for PM and 17% for Gillard for PM.  Can’t a lot here count. Over 66,000 voted. The will of the people is clear. Ther ALP will be destroyed along with their faction bosses next election. Count on it.

    • SteveKAG says:

      05:12am | 24/02/12

      Here we go round the Mullberry bush…......the Mullberry bush…....

      Forget about the stories of his past, they will damage the ALP to no end and put very long nails in teh coffins of Gillard, Swan & Co.

      You cannot sit there and bag the man out after he has been for the past 18 months an effective Foreign Minister.  Julia Gillard says “Kevin is a deeply flawed man…”  Why then Julia did you have him representing our bloody country at the UN and around the world, this once again says more about your judgement as a leader than it does about Kevin Rudd’s performance.

      Get rid of them all and call and election.

    • Mouse says:

      07:34am | 24/02/12

      The thing I find unbelievable is the fact that he was the Labor caucus choice to run for PM in 2007.  What, didn’t they know what he was like, had they only just met him? He has been in politics for 30 odd years so it is a bit of a stretch for us to believe that they had no idea he was such a bad person! Wasn’t Mr Farr his biggest fanboy in 2007? Are they really that stupid? The hate and vitriol that is coming out from Labor ministers about him now is truly remarkable. swan’s outburst I can understand, he is not a likeable person himself, but I thought at least gillard has the sense to keep her thoughts to herself. All she has done has shown that she is of the same cut as the others, nasty, catty and bitter. Now they are all going to “come out” and tell us what he was REALLY like!  Who cares what he was really like?  That’s history and he was Labor’s choice, their pick, their boy, their fault! Badmouthing him 18 months later is not going to put gillard in a better light.

      Krudd was the FM for that past 18 months, a position given to him by gillard, a position which is probably the second most senior in politics here. As has been stated by others, if he was such a bad human being, why give him the job. Was she that scared of him that she did anything he wanted (like she did with the Greens and Independents??) Strong leaders don’t do that. Strong leaders don’t need to. It’s really easy for them now to blame all the leaks, all the in-fighting, all the stuff ups on Krudd. I suppose the Australia Day fiasco was his doing as well. At least they now have someone other than Abbott to blame for all the bad things that happen in house. Unbelievable! LOL   :o)

    • SteveKAG says:

      08:33am | 24/02/12

      @Mouse I don’t think they appreciate trule the deep sentiment out there towards both of them.  Even true blue conservatives like me are starting to feel sorry for Kevin (not enough to ever vote for him) but enough to want him given a second go under Labor’s current term…....

      Their attacks only push more of us down that path.  You see i don’t think it actually matters who they put up against Liberal the Labor party are gone, give him so bragging rights i say.

      Could he be worse than he was before or the liar is now?

    • Revealing comment says:

      09:07am | 24/02/12

      SteveKAG
      “Their attacks only push more of us down that path.”

      Down the “I’m a true blue conservative” that would never vote for him path?
      Thanks for telling us true blue conservatives would never vote for Labor. Must be tooltime in your shed.

    • Mouse says:

      09:32am | 24/02/12

      @SteveKAG, yep, I agree. I too feel a little sympathetic towards little Kevvie now. I also felt a little sorry for him in 2010.  I also agree that Labor have damaged themselves badly over this but, hey, their own doing so no sympathy from me there!  I am not a fan of the current government at the moment and am pretty disgusted at their behaviour.  They need to lose and lose badly, then maybe all the “children” will be culled and adults will take their place. Hey, it could happen! LOL

      I am quite sure that the Libs will get in whenever the next election comes and Labor will sit in opposition for an extended period, as they deserve!  Maybe once they get their sh!t together and act like a credible political party Australia will listen to them again, maybe!  :o)

    • Bertrand says:

      05:14am | 24/02/12

      “That would be a messy spectacle and would convince many voters Labor was dominated by the politics of viciousness.”

      I thought that had already been well established.

      On a side note… how much is there actually left to be said on this topic?  It’s all getting a bit same-old same-old isn’t it?

    • SteveKAG says:

      06:03am | 24/02/12

      “how much is there actually left to be said on this topic?  It’s all getting a bit same-old same-old isn’t it?”

      You would think huh but they keep feeding us and we keep walking up and holding our plate out and asking “excuse me sir, can I have more please?”

      Seriously though, any excuse to bag Labor and the helpless, hopeless and hapless Politicians who work for them is good enough for me.

    • Hermes says:

      09:11am | 24/02/12

      Yes Bertrand
      Especially in light of which comments are let through.
      same-old same-old one-sided conversation going on.

      Looks like a conservative circle jerk from a distance.

    • Max Redlands says:

      09:32am | 24/02/12

      @ Bertrand “On a side note… how much is there actually left to be said on this topic?  It’s all getting a bit same-old same-old isn’t it?”

      Well I think we better get used to it if Gillard prevails on Monday. This will be it from now until whenever an election is called. If Rudd does not ultimately succeed by futher challenge(s) he will take as much of the party down with him as he can. He has farctured the party’s unity (in particular amongst senior Ministers) and his presence will suck the life out of the show.

      In hindsight the Gillard faction’s mistake was that the knifing of Rudd only resulted in a deep flesh wound - they didn’t finish him off.

    • acotrel says:

      05:34am | 24/02/12

      If there is any justice in this world Julia Gillard will lead the ALP to victory in 2013.  She’s copped so much shit, and handled it with aplomb.  She’s achieved under the most difficult circumstances, while maintaining an inclusive/democratic leadership style.

    • Little Joe says:

      06:36am | 24/02/12

      HOW GULLIBLE ARE YOU??!!??

      Julia Gillard is a notorious, habitual liar!!!

      When she was Deputy PM she said that we had a great PM ..... don’t you remember all the times she stood behind KRUDD smiling and nodding at press releases ...... now she is telling us KRUDD was an egotistical maniac .

      When she was Deputy PM she said that we had a great government, now she is telling us it was terrible.

      Prior to her usurping the PM’ship, she laughed off allegations that she was going to challenge .... and we all know how that ended. Remember, faxes were sent about the situation to the American Government weeks before the ‘coup’.

      After she usurped the PM’ship, she said it was a good government that lost its way ..... now it is a bad government, with a terrible leader and didn’t have a ‘way’.

      She lied about policy, taxes, promises, budgets .......

      I believe that Rudd has been set up in many ways ...... her ego cannot abide with having him on the front bench. I believe that she leaked the KRUDD swear video, but that backfired ...... and she knew it!!! But he still had to be removed and word went out around the world. America was informed, which is why H. Clinton could not find the time to meet him at the G20 Summit. Why wouldn’t the American Representative find time to meet with their ally?? Because they knew KRUDD was gone!!!! But KRUDD realised what was happening ...... he knew the ‘faceless men’ were after him ...... so he resigned ..... on his own terms!!!

      So after months of telling us that all was well in Canberra, Rudd and Gillard were best friends , the ALP tell us that KRUDD was evil and plotting revenge. What are we expected to believe!!!

      Lat’s face it, without Rudd’s support in the 2010 election Gillard had no hope. But Gillard lied to KRUDD again ..... used him ..... even helped her get Slipper into Speaker ..... now she thinks that she can throw him away ... and KRUDD is not playing to her tune.

      But that’s what we expect from Gillard she blatantly lied to Wilkie ..... she doesn’t need him now either.

      Gillard she deceived Windsor and Oakeshot ..... but she’s got them by the short and curlies also.

      Gillard she blatantly lied to the Australian people (but she is used to that now)  ..... she doesn’t need us now either. But she will be really nice in 18-mths!!!

      Julia Gillard is a political sociopath. It is that simple!!!! She doesn’t even know when she lies anymore!!!

    • Denny Crane says:

      06:43am | 24/02/12

      If there is any justice labor will not have enough members to form a cricket team. Gillard has created the problems herself and deserves to be punished. Noone forced her to appoint Rudd as foreign minister, lie about the carbon tax, con Andrew Wilkie, start a race riot, or endorse a cover up of Craig Thompson.

      She refuses to answer simple and basic questions. She lies about the reason and effect of her stupid policies. Wake up. Yesterday she continued the lie about the mining tax paying for increased super contributions.

      Oh well I suppose a fool is a fool and anyone who thinks Gillard has done a good job is a fool.

    • Deepthinker says:

      06:47am | 24/02/12

      She deserves all the crap she receives, she would almost be the biggest user that I have seen in my lifetime. She must have copped a lot of crap during her younger years because she is very bitter and has been trying to prove how clever she is ever since. There is little doubt that she is going to be the Prime Minister up until the next election and I would surmise that the first thing she will do on Monday afternoon will be conniving a plan to muzzle the freedom of the press and unfortunately most of political commentators, T.V. stations, Radio Stations etc will be to gutless to tell us what is really going on.

    • acotrel says:

      06:56am | 24/02/12

      @Little Joe
      Would you describe Tony Abbott as forthright and honest ?

    • dovif says:

      07:14am | 24/02/12

      If there is justice, Julia will go down in history as the most incompetant PM in Australian history and world history

      Afterall, she has backstabbed an elected PM, 2 days after professing loyalty, 2 weeks after one of her staff start writing her victory speach.

      She penned the new border protection legislation, that had help led to Tens of thousands of people attempting the illegal passage into Australia, with many hundreds confirmed dead, while at the same time, funding Asian Triads

      Selling out Australian jobs to the Greens, so she can keep her own job.

      All the while her government had sqandered the wealth of the mining boom, with massive wastes in projects like Green Loans, Insulation, BER, internet filter etc. And left our kids $90 billions in debt

      Karma is going to ensure Julia the liar losses the next election by a wide margin. That would be justice

    • acotrel says:

      07:30am | 24/02/12

      ‘@Little Joe
      Would you describe Tony Abbott as forthright and honest ? ‘

      I love laughing at my own jokes !
      Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha ! !

    • Aco Reminder says:

      07:48am | 24/02/12

      Acotrel can I remind you that when Gillard was Deputy PM or PM she had a hand in some of the worst government decisions of all time. I know you’re a Labor stooge so I’ll refresh your memory.

      - Home Insulation Program (4 dead and over 200 fires)
      - Cash hand outs (most bought TVs from china, convicted criminals received it and so did dead people’s estates)
      - Laptops for every kid (although most never got them)
      - NBN (budget blow outs and outdated technology by the time it is fully installed in 8 years)
      - Building the Education Revolution BER (absolute disgrace)
      - East Timor and Border Protection policy (fail)
      - Claiming an increase of superannuation from 9% to 12% thanks to mining tax when it is actually the employers not the government that pay superannuation
      - Means testing everything
      - Poker machine reform - please get a life. Gillard wouldn’t know what three pyramids are??
      - CARBON TAX
      - The Fair Work Act (Even the unions say it is unworkable)
      - removing the Australian Building and Construction Commission (ABCC) that stamps out lawlessness

      Need I go on…..And you say that it would be an injustice if Gillard doesn’t lead the party to the next election?? Give us all a break.

      It would be an injustice for this minority government to continue when they know the majority of Australians want them out.

    • Bill Door says:

      07:57am | 24/02/12

      @Little Joe

      As opposed to the lying little rodent. A name given to Howard by his own party.

    • Jane says:

      08:03am | 24/02/12

      I agree.  Effective women ïn business always attract the same vitriol from people with low self esteem.

      Loser men who cannot stand that anyone who is not white male achieving more than them. Bad enough white males being better but when all the minorities start achieving higher than them, well pushes them even further down the food chain.

      Women are even worse because many prefer to be downtrodden.LIfe is easier when you can take it easy. Those silly women doing well will mean we will all have to lift our game, else look like real losers. How dare wome women try to elevate the standards women should aspire to.?  That means hard work!

      She has done exceptional work.  You cannot win easily aganst the office bully when they recruit the bandwagon so she has her work cut out for her, but good too see strong support from within her own team.

    • Eve says:

      08:09am | 24/02/12

      couldn’t have said it better myself

    • L. says:

      08:10am | 24/02/12

      ”  @Little Joe
        Would you describe Tony Abbott as forthright and honest ?”

      Compared to Gillard and labor..??

      YES.

    • Bruce says:

      08:11am | 24/02/12

      Acotrel: Compared to Gillard and Rudd, Tony Abbott is a saint.

    • JT says:

      08:26am | 24/02/12

      @Bill Door

      He was never called a lying rodent, he was referred to as The Rodent by George Brandis who did not like Howard. Either way you’d have to be a Labor Hack or simply insane to think what is occurring today in the Labor party can ever be compared to past Liberal stoushes. Labor are basically disintegrating before our very eyes by fighting a civil war publicly while in office.

    • Ben C says:

      09:19am | 24/02/12

      @ Jane

      You’re starting to become the female version of Erick here.

      This isn’t about Julia Gillard being female. It’s about her not performing to the level that she should be.

      Prior to Kevin Rudd being ousted as Prime Minister, I was of the opinion that Gillard would be a good Prime Minister - I felt that she spoke well, she was articulate and despite the lack of fashion sense, she looked the part.

      That was before she took over the job. Since that time though, she has shown that as a Prime Minister, she makes an excellent Education Minister. She has shown that she is out of her depth - she has struggled to keep her Ministers in line; she has picked the wrong people for the wrong jobs (I mean, seriously, Roxon, who was average as Health Minister, as Attorney-General? Garrett as Education Minister, with Crean in charge of Arts?); she’s reactive at times when she should be proactive (Qantas, Rudd anyone?); and sometimes, she doesn’t even have a clue what she’s doing (abolishing the Education Ministry after the 2010 election?).

    • Govt@FauxCitizen says:

      09:53am | 24/02/12

      @acotrel..your beloved laboia party are deceitful corrupt useless and driven by the even more corrupt unions and their faceless moles.
      True to form though you defend this circus full of thespians clowns and pretenders by dumping on Abbott whom is a saint in budgie smugglers compared to the best ln the….
      Allstars
      Losers
      Party
      “The dogs have barked and the caravan has moved on”

    • Little Joe says:

      10:32am | 24/02/12

      @ Acotrel

      Wow!!! What a spine chilling comeback!!! But when you think of deceit, let me remind you of one of the greatest deceptions in Australia’s Economic History

      When I look back at the 2010 Election and decisions made by independents to support Gillard, I always remember how one of the pivotal moments was the Treasury’s assessment of the Labor and Lib/National Budgets. Treasury found a $7B to $11B hole over 4-years in the Lib/National Budget while they thought that the ALP Budget would perform better than their models.

      The weight of this assessment from the most brilliant, unwavering, unbiased financial minds in Australia surely added to tipping the scales in ALP’s favour. Meanwhile I noticed some very peculiar anomalies in the ALP 2010-11 Budget and have regularly voiced them on “The Punch”.

      History now records that, in the financial year of 2010-11 alone, THERE WAS A $7B HOLE!!!. Instead of a budgeted $40.7B Deficit, there was a $47.7B Deficit. You have to wonder, how did the most brilliant, unwavering, unbiased financial minds in Australia miss this when they could identify a $7B to $11B hole over 4-years in the Lib/National Budget?? Hmmm???

      Now I would forego this as an anomaly, if it wasn’t for the simple fact that it only gets worse!!!

      The 2010-11 Budget that was taken to the election by the ALP in 2010 predicted that there would be a budget deficit of $13.0B in 2011-12. The most recent budget estimates for 2011-12 now estimate a deficit of $37.1B.

      The 2010-11 Budget estimated that our National Debt by the end of 2011-12 would be $90.5B, current estimates now put that figure at $135B.

      All these figures are so secretive that they are only available to people who have the internet!!!

      So I wonder, “How did the most brilliant, unwavering, unbiased financial minds in Australia get it so wrong??” The 2010-11 Budget taken to the Federal Election isn’t even close to economic reality!!!
      Surely there was no pressure applied to the public servants in Treasury. Remember the story published by ‘The Punch’ … Believe the Experts. However, I am quite certain that if you employed these brilliant experts they would be sacked for incompetence. The reality is …. some got raises …. very, very good raises.

      So Acotrel …. are you going to stay in your closet and keep swallowing what they feed you, or are you going to open the door and let the sun shine in??

    • Little Joe says:

      10:50am | 24/02/12

      @ Acotrel

      Wow!!! What a spine chilling comeback!!! But when you think of deceit, let me remind you of one of the greatest deceptions in Australia’s Economic History

      When I look back at the 2010 Election and decisions made by independents to support Gillard, I always remember how one of the pivotal moments was the Treasury’s assessment of the Labor and Lib/National Budgets. Treasury found a $7B to $11B hole over 4-years in the Lib/National Budget while they thought that the ALP Budget would perform better than their models.

      The weight of this assessment from the most brilliant, unwavering, unbiased financial minds in Australia surely added to tipping the scales in ALP’s favour. Meanwhile I noticed some very peculiar anomalies in the ALP 2010-11 Budget and have regularly voiced them on “The Punch”.

      History now records that, in the financial year of 2010-11 alone, THERE WAS A $7B HOLE!!!. Instead of a budgeted $40.7B Deficit, there was a $47.7B Deficit. You have to wonder, how did the most brilliant, unwavering, unbiased financial minds in Australia miss this when they could identify a $7B to $11B hole over 4-years in the Lib/National Budget?? Hmmm???

      Now I would forego this as an anomaly, if it wasn’t for the simple fact that it only gets worse!!!

      The 2010-11 Budget that was taken to the election by the ALP in 2010 predicted that there would be a budget deficit of $13.0B in 2011-12. The most recent budget estimates for 2011-12 now estimate a deficit of $37.1B.

      The 2010-11 Budget estimated that our National Debt by the end of 2011-12 would be $90.5B, current estimates now put that figure at $135B.

      All these figures are so secretive that they are only available to people who have the internet!!!

      So I wonder, “How did the most brilliant, unwavering, unbiased financial minds in Australia get it so wrong??” The 2010-11 Budget taken to the Federal Election isn’t even close to economic reality!!!

      Surely there was no pressure applied to the public servants in Treasury. Remember the story published by ‘The Punch’ … Believe the Experts. However, I am quite certain that if you employed these brilliant experts they would be sacked for incompetence. The reality is …. some got raises …. very, very good raises.

      So Acotrel …. are you going to stay in your closet and keep swallowing what they feed you, or are you going to open the door and let the sun shine in??

    • Stephen T says:

      10:52am | 24/02/12

      Sadly Labor really needs to get its act together; Gillard’s backers have not done her any favours with their bitter attacks on Rudd the political and moral absurdity of their position is evident when you consider that they made him Foreign Minister.  However irrespective their position anyone honestly evaluating Rudd’s track record will realise that he is a recipe for paranoid politics: no matter what he does, the benefit for the Australian public will only be momentary.

    • Momo says:

      11:06am | 24/02/12

      Did you see Rudd speak this morning. The main comment noted by the media afterwards happens to be the one I agree with.

      The ALP has been DESTROYED!

      Rudd and Gillard have exposed everything.

      Penny Wong on Sky news basically admitted Gillard wanted Rudd to dump the ETS.

      The WHOLE health care reform MESS has been EXPOSED!

      DESTROYED!

    • Felix says:

      11:36am | 24/02/12

      @ Momo

      Health Care Reform was always going to be a mess with Labor not understanding the complexities involved and the influence of the Nursing Unions to get their agenda through. Roxon should be mighty ashamed of herself and the terrible job she has done. Australia sure deserves better!

    • Sam says:

      12:34pm | 24/02/12

      Punchers stop feeding the Acotrel troll.

    • The Tealady of the Apocalypse says:

      01:16pm | 24/02/12

      Acotrel (7:56am) - Didn’t you get the message from ALP headquarters?  Everything isn’t Abbott’s fault anymore;  until further notice, it’s ALL Rudd’s fault

    • Mike Inez says:

      01:22pm | 24/02/12

      Just Google ‘acotrel alp’ and laugh your pants off.

    • Martin says:

      02:27pm | 24/02/12

      @Mike Inez.  Mike, just googled alcodill and there was a stack of links, some to the ALP websites which feature a picture of the said individual LMAO indeed!

    • Bill door says:

      02:28pm | 24/02/12

      @JT

      I suggest you learn your Liberal Party history. Particularly the period between 1966 and 1975.

    • thatmosis says:

      03:20pm | 24/02/12

      Little Joe, have pity on the Village Idiot as he knows not what he says. Im actually surprised that one of his posts got through without a sentence blaming Abbott, but then further down there it was as usual.
        Everybody who can think for themselves knows what our Joolia is like and also what KRudd is like and most really couldnt care less which one was leading the Liars, sorry Labor Party as it will all lead to the same ineviatable conclusion, the annihalation of that Party at the next election.
        I think its safe to say that our Joolia is without doubt the most hated PM it has ever been Australia’s misfortune to have and KRudd comes a close second.
        Nobody except the Village Idiot and his close friends believe a word she says as she has lied to the Australian people so many times that I do believe that she has forgotten which is the truth and which is the lies.
        Just have a look at the difference between them in the poles, Joolia 20%, KRudd 80% but thats only until after the so called election of a claytons PM on Monday.
        Who ever is elected will still have to cope with Liars, sorry, Labors poll figures that have lasted since they almost won the election and that means not only a drubbing in the election but the end of the Lairs, sorry, Labor Party as a Party.
        And Jane, I see you have used the Woman card to try and defend the indefensible. This is not about women in power but about doing the job honestly and to the best of their ability. Now if you think that our Joolia has done either of those things then I want half a kilo of whatever you are on. She has lied not only to the people of Australia but to KRudd when he was PM and the media everytime she opens her mouth. The most common complaint i hear is that Joolia must be lying a s she has got her mouth open. Nobody in a position of Authority can do anything if the majority of people believe that she lies each and every time she opens her mouth and that her colleagues are just going along for the ride passing failed policy after failed policy just to keep their noses in the public trough.

    • Vicki PS says:

      06:32pm | 24/02/12

      @Little Joe: Let me clue you in on a point of Netiquette—readers automatically discount any statement that concludes with 3!!! exclamation!!! points!!!

      And for notorious habitual liars, let me remind you of the “most despicable of lies” perpetrated by John Howard and Peter Rieth: even when it was proven beyond doubt that the “Children Overboard” accusation was a lie, Howard withheld that admission until after the election.  This wasn’t a matter of policy change or reneging on a promise, it was outright assassination of the characters of the most vulnerable of human beings. 

      Nothing in the recent history of Australian politics comes anywhere near that episode for sheer mongrel vileness.  Gillard, on the other hand, is a political pragmatist.  Yes, she has changed direction on some policies.  Yes, she won the leadership as a result of a successful challenge to PM Rudd—a not-unprecedented event, and hardly worth the hysterical overreaction that followed (which would never have assumed such ridiculously overblown dimensions had she been a male).  But what you see is what you get, a very intelligent, well-balanced, warm and fairly genuine person who is easy to relate to, utterly unlike the labile, posturing, Polly Prissy-Pants bluster of Mr Rudd, or the gormless, couldn’t-lie-straight-in-bed self-admitted prevaricator Abbott.

    • Vigilant says:

      07:02am | 25/02/12

      I love acotrel writing as other bloggers to support himself.  Classic desperation!

    • cheap white trash says:

      05:34am | 24/02/12

      Stand by for the Kevin Caravan,Wrong…..

      You mean Kevin The Kardashian,what a joke this has become
      Two of the worsed PM ever to grace Reality TV,Gee i can’t wait for the spin of series,it should be a doozy.

      Im just waiting for a cameo appearance from Tony its all your fault Abbott.

      A weekend where the Labor Party will be eating its own,and it couldnt happen to a nicer Party,bring it on….....

    • nossy says:

      05:39am | 24/02/12

      I would like to extend the hand of welcome Malcolm to our new “soon to be” PM Mr Tony Abbott -I always knew the little fella had it in him!  hahah Some have cruelly called him the Stephen Bradbury of politics but hey a wins a win. While we watch on in amusement as Labor implodes Tones has a grin from ear to ear -and why shouldnt he - its not often you are handed the top prize without even competing! Game set and match - thank you ball boys, thank you linesmen.

    • Gordon says:

      07:33am | 24/02/12

      Big call. Abbott is 0 - 1 in PM election campaigns and that was when he said Workchoices is dead and buried. We all know that will be his ‘No Carbon Tax’ moment next election.

    • kp says:

      09:11am | 24/02/12

      he he he - go Tony !!!  Time and patience has paid off.  This farce of a Labor government is imploding and giving you the top job and I am so very happy for you.

    • kp says:

      09:11am | 24/02/12

      he he he - go Tony !!!  Time and patience has paid off.  This farce of a Labor government is imploding and giving you the top job and I am so very happy for you.

    • luke09 says:

      11:23am | 24/02/12

      nossy, I hope your poster boy Kevin doesn’t win the ballot for leadership. I don’t know what would be worse, Kevin Rudd as PM or you having bragging rights until the next election. Oh! how I hope Rudd loses.

    • nihonin says:

      09:05pm | 24/02/12

      To think nossy, you support the party that has handed the Liberals the prize, well done to all the members, sycophants and hanger on’s, cheers you pack of dickheads.

    • Rudd Revolution says:

      05:46am | 24/02/12

      I admire Rudd’s courage in trying to take the party back from the faceless men for the people. The usual suspects are trying to trivialise his efforts, character assassinate him and rewrite the history of his achievements. There are many who are heavily invested in the status quo despite the damage being done to our nation. Only Kevin can beat Tony.

    • marley says:

      06:24am | 24/02/12

      Kevin IS one of the faceless men in the party. He’s certainly proved that over the last year.

    • Seamus says:

      07:02am | 24/02/12

      Hey RR, what are you smoking?  I’d sure like some.

    • Maree says:

      08:24am | 24/02/12

      THe ALP knew just how incompetent and rude Kevin the lemon Rudd is. This is what most senior labor ministers are saying. Rudd is a tragic sore looser, nothing more pathetic. The guy has two faces, he is not what he is dressed up to be. At least Julia is somewhat competent.

    • Brenda says:

      05:59am | 24/02/12

      Mr Farr the politics of viciousness have been in play since Juliar Gillard began undermining Rudd (as reported in Wikileaks) a year before she knifed him.  OK for Gillard to undermine Rudd, but not vice versa? Come off it.

      Labor has descended into the ugliest hateful public denigration of a former leader that this country has ever witnessed. Whatever anyone might think of Rudd, this horrid band of Labor dirtmongers will go down in history as the most self-serving, despised incompetents in Australian history. Last night’s Lateline interview cleverly uncovered the vindictive side of Stephen Smith. 

      Why did Gillard and Smith enable Rudd into the senior and highly demanding Foreign Minister portfolio if he was all the things they are suddenly screeching? An irresponsible and publicly indefensible act—appointing an acknowledged incompetent to suit Labor’s self interested modus operandi?

      A drover’s dog crawling with mange would beat Gillard and her cronies.  Gillard has not only methodically destroyed herself, but she is destroying the Labor party and the wider perception of Australian governance - wholesale.  Never underestimate public and international investment opinion.
       
      This ugly Labor Party has descended into a murky, backstabbing organisation that can’t recover. The familiar faces will forever be associated with their media comments and will not see honest light of day until the people remove them along with their trouble-making Queen Gillard.  There has been nothing but trouble and instability for Labor and this country since B grade actress Gillard hijacked centre stage.

    • acotrel says:

      07:00am | 24/02/12

      The workers rolled their egotistical boss.  Get used to it, there will be a lot more of that in future, as democracy takes root in Australia.

    • Johnson says:

      07:17am | 24/02/12

      I wonder do these people realize how disliked they making themselves and The Labor . Either way it goes they are all negligent, if they felt Rudd was so bad, why was he Foreign ?Why would you give someone such an important job if they were that dysfunctional? They are trying to save their own jobs and high salary they don’t care about the backbenchers or Labor Voters, or The Australian Public, without Rudd Labor is finished

    • dovif says:

      07:21am | 24/02/12

      Exactly

      Before Gillard knived Rudd, Crean was leaking on Rudd daily, and we were privy to intimate details of the dealing of the “Gang of 4” to discredit Rudd

      Since only 4 members of the “Gang of 4” had such details, we can assume it is not Rudd, who would not discredit himself, We can also assume it was not Tanner, who disliked Gillard and quit soon after. So that left Gillard the backstabber or Swann. I wonder who were the source of those leaks?

    • Stiffy says:

      07:50am | 24/02/12

      I will never forget how this lot has bagged out Rudd. Crean and Swan in particular. If the guy was that bad why didn’t they simply place him on notice with a 360 degree view of him in early 2010.

      To say that Rudd sabotaged the 2010 election is nothing to that which the words spoken in public will have on the 2013 election. You are idiots to talk about him in this way. It will only lose real votes for Gillard.

      The calm measured words spoken by McClelland should be heeded by all of them.

      Personally in 2010 I was for Rudd to go. I did not like the way he treated his staff. The picture of that young staffer forced to work for 20 hours straight and his high turn over of staff told me that this man had some management style issues. I also did not like the way he tended to what appeared to be procrastination on the ETS. He should have seen that Copenhagen was doomed to failure. His dropping of it after proclaiming it was the biggest issue facing the country/mankind did not add up. He seemed like a spoilt child who said he was going home and taking the ball with him.

      But most people don’t get to sack their boss. I was prepared to give Gillard a chance. Gillard is not a National leader. She seems more interested in the politics of politics. The carbon tax is ridiculously too high. I don’t want to see people left behind but I also don’t want wealth equalization to this degree. It is out of step with the rest of the world.  Simply she has welshed on too many deals.

      If Gillard lived in a Labor Party bubble she would be a perfect leader but she doesn’t, she is answerable to the people of Australia and so are the rest of them. It was wrong the way in which she knifed Rudd. There should have been some attempt to counsel him. So that history reflected that there was a decency in the process.

      Unfortunately whenever we vote for a politician we get a politician and yes Rudd has his faults but he is a very popular leader with a lot of the Australian people. Just look at 2007. He can get the message across. He is measured. He is moderate. He is the Labor leader that may just be able to bring Labor back from oblivion.

      Caucus will not vote for him in majority on Monday. They have told us we know what he’s like.  Well Australian labor voters also know what he is like and they want him. They don’t care if he governed with a gang of 4. That was for bitter men to deal with.

      It’s going to be Abbott and more leakage to the Greens. Bye -bye all you back benchers.

      So go to the back bench Rudd and talk to them and work out which of them can sort out this mess and get you in the second time. While your there also reflect on what got you there in the first place.

    • Peter F says:

      08:23am | 24/02/12

      acotrel says: 08:00am | 24/02/12 - See the problem here is that you don’t know what democracy is.

      Julia Gillard, the person you support, the woman you think is the greatest thing to happen to politics in decades, Is a communist with communist views.  Labour tries to control the media, tries to implement communist policy and tries to control business.

      Democracy is what the other side does. You know….where people are elected to government and free speech is allowed. The exact opposite of what the current Labor mob believe in.

      Wait ....wait ....it’s Tony’s fault isn’t it!!!!

    • onlooker says:

      09:04am | 24/02/12

      Yes it the ugly Labor Party and one I don’t feel comfortable with. It is mean and malicious, Nichola Roxon has come out today putting her 2 cents worth in, she would be no loss. I am just disgusted with the whole thing, Labor has been tarnished ever since they ousted Rudd, we have nothing but lies and deceit and back stabbing under Gillard. If you a Labor voter and you don’t like any of this, it is degrading and you can’t vote for Abbott (I can’t) just put in a blank ballot. Then if things go pear shaped under Abbott we won’t feel to blame for voting for him, unlike this time

    • John L. ex 3rar. says:

      11:33am | 24/02/12

      @ acrotel, i have been watching your comments now for months and imho you are a bit of a tosser. I would like to see you on the site independentaustralia and log into the diggers vs gillard govt. but i reckon that you have not the guts to debate the issue with veterans and widows of our retired and serving ppl on that site.

    • Momo says:

      11:44am | 24/02/12

      acotrel you are unAustralian and should move to Russia. Well fed old knobs like you are a waste of space and oxygen!

    • Anthony says:

      06:03am | 24/02/12

      You fell for it the first time Mr Farr; what a dill! Make up your mind please.

    • Tony of Poorakistan says:

      08:44am | 24/02/12

      Probably worried there won’t be any long wet lunches if Kevin gets back in.

    • Mayday says:

      06:11am | 24/02/12

      Is it possible that Kevin just demanded his Public Servants actually do the hard yards each day at work rather than just putting in the hours?

      I remember there were complaints they were being overworked which to my mind means they were probably expected to put in a decent days work for their bloated pay and conditions.

    • Mahhrat says:

      07:05am | 24/02/12

      @Mayday - that’s kinda been my question, too.

    • R Rodgers says:

      07:50am | 24/02/12

      spot on the money and thats why they don,t want him as he is a hard task master and its about time these bludgers earnt their money.

    • Jane says:

      08:22am | 24/02/12

      Obviously never met a micro manager before. Or an office psychopath.

      Trouble with bullying in the workplace. Those that “talk” their way into top jobs but they cannot perform them rely on staff to make them look good and do their work for them. The wookers gets the temper tantrums, the abuse, the intimidation but nobody believes them because the boss is charming to anyone senior or who they need to male an impression on.

    • Tracker says:

      08:42am | 24/02/12

      @Mayday, my thoughts on that matter as well. Maybe he made the bastards actually work for their money.

    • onlooker says:

      06:15am | 24/02/12

      What has shocked me is the nastiness in all of this, and it is not coming from Kevin Rudd, blind freddy could see these people coming out in public like Wayne Swan and Gillard are worried about their own skin. I presume Rudd would not have them in his cabinet, gee I would not even in the same building as me.Who do they think they are impressing? Liberals voters are laughing and rightly so and Labor voters are cringing. This is the nastiest I can remember seeing it. And its time to stop. We need a new election, if Abbott is elected and I don’t like him, well at least we won’t be bombarded with all of this daily. They have not got the intelligence to realize they are in a hung Parliament because of the way they ousted Rudd, now 18 months or so before the next election they are it again, do they seriously think people will forget and vote for them ? I like many would Like to see Kevin Rudd back as PM,  I don’t like Gillard and I don’t personally know anyone who does.

    • AdamC says:

      08:44am | 24/02/12

      Onlooker, to be fair, the public nastiness is emanating primarily from the Gillard camp. As Michelle Grattan points out in Pravda today, the Gillard backers, most notably ‘superbitch’ Wayne Swan, are making themselves look ridiculous by savagely bagging out a man they were more than happy to serve under, and widely praise and defend, while it suited them.

      Having said that, Rudd is clearly a flawed character. But so is Julia Gillard. I increasingly suspect that the Gillard camp forced this showdown in order to prevent support coalescing around a third candidate. As it stands, ALP caucus are being made to choose between two very undesirable alternatives. If I was a Labor MP, I would back Rudd, but I would prefer a consensus alternative.

      Thus far, there seem little signs of one of those emerging.

    • Ron e says:

      06:18am | 24/02/12

      The surrel part of all of this, is that you have several admissions of past dishonesty from both camps.
      From the junking of the ETS, to the backgrounding of media against colleagues.
      More bullshit on top of old bullshit is hardly going to garner support in the wider electorate, and every single revelation by Labor as they settle old scores, should be noted and broadcast during the next federal election.
      They, in their cuurent formation, are somply not fit to make decisions that impact the direction of this nation.
      Labor have clearly, and evidently failed to honor the trust placed in them by the Australian people. Funny How Mal Farr and his mates in the Canberra press gallery don’t really seem all that keen to investigate any of this.

    • Dan says:

      06:30am | 24/02/12

      Latest on leadership spill: Labour caucus now believe ex-Costa Concordia captain Schettino best to mend the party and lead it forward

    • Dan says:

      06:31am | 24/02/12

      Latest on leadership spill: Kim Jong il not dead & living with Elvis. Graham Richardson brokers deal for him to nominate

    • R Rodgers says:

      07:51am | 24/02/12

      Graham Richardson could not broker a chook raffle

    • Sony B Goode says:

      06:35am | 24/02/12

      The socialist rabble as always fight amongst themselves for the honour to damage, thwart and retard as much of the countries prosperity as possible in the shortest possible time.

      The Australian Losers Party relentless drive towards universal governance, mediocrity and reducing everyone to a single shade of grey is only contrasted by their sordid little power grabbing melodrama.

      What can you say? There is clearly no honor amongst these thieves.

    • Stephen T says:

      06:37am | 24/02/12

      I dislike Gillard however I believe Rudd’s continuing scramble for power over the last 18 months has perverted rather than promoted the countries governance,  given the course of action he has taken the narrative he is using is morally absurd, and specious, in Rudd mouth words like honourable and just are without content.  I’m not a Labor supporter but I’m sad to see the damage he is causing both to his party and the Australian democratic process, think about it Rudd is quiet willing to destroy the Labor Party to achieve his ambition, really what is the value of something one has to destroy in order to assure oneself that one’s control over it is complete?

    • Jane says:

      08:12am | 24/02/12

      I agree, What concerns me as well is how easy he manipulated the media to do his bidding as well. They were “protecting” their source maybe but look foolish now he denies trying to use stealth. 

      I do feel he could destroy the Labor Party for many years to satisfy his need for revenge, also his action could lead to an early election. Yet he is playing the “victim”.

      The media shoud expose him, not work as his PR team.

      So you do not need to like Gllard, or even Labor, to be concerned our nation has been so easily corrupted by one man.

    • Freddo says:

      06:39am | 24/02/12

      At least Julia’s government has produced role models who exemplify the Australia’s values: an unmarried woman living with an unemployed bloke in a publicly owned house; a former union boss who allegedly used union funds to employ unskilled women, leaders promoting inclusiveness for same sex couples ... the list goes on.

    • L. says:

      09:56am | 24/02/12

      Hey Freddo…

      Can you hear me ok all the way back there in 1953..?

    • Felix says:

      11:48am | 24/02/12

      Most Australians will agree with Freddo. Public figures like the PM that represent this country need to be of good moral standing and have dignity. Gillard has neither. Many jobs have standards.

    • L. says:

      02:37pm | 24/02/12

      “Public figures like the PM that represent this country need to be of good moral standing and have dignity.”

      So all unwed, motherless, professional women have no moral standing or dignity in your view..?? Or just not enough to be a politician..?

    • Dan China says:

      04:01pm | 24/02/12

      Gillard isn’t a professional and lives in sin with a man. This isn’t High School you know? What the hell do I tell my 10 year old kid ? The defacto situation opens doors to other issues parents want to protect their kids from. If she can’t make a commitment to Tim she can’t make a commitment to the Australian People!

    • jaki says:

      04:08pm | 24/02/12

      L says: So all unwed, motherless, professional women have no moral standing or dignity in your view..??

      Not when they break up families by sleeping around with their work colleagues, no.

    • Cynicised says:

      04:57pm | 24/02/12

      Felix “most Australians will agree with Freddo”. Geez, I must be living in another country then, cos most people I know wouldn’t agree with a word of his blinkered, backward thinking nonsense. Wake up,  as L says, it’s 2012, not the 1950s!

    • Taurus says:

      06:42am | 24/02/12

      The Coalition’s add-men have enough footage to destroy Labor in the next campaign. The frenetic self-preservation above good governance shown by many Labor politicians has shown some true colours to the electorate. Their best hope of survival is to put someone like Stephen Smith up to the plate on Monday. But I fear they’re too blind to see that.

    • Daniel says:

      06:53am | 24/02/12

      What will today bring Malcolm with this sideshow?

    • Pete says:

      06:55am | 24/02/12

      Interesting. A lot of comments in this and other forums calling for an election to “get rid of them”. I would whole heartedly agree, BUT who to put in their place?? Heaven forbid that fundamentalist mug Tony Abbott.
      I think politics in Australia has reached the bottom of the barrel.

    • Barry Warthog says:

      08:11am | 24/02/12

      If you want to talk about “fundamental”, then listen to that Rudd fool, his every second word is fundamental! Regarless of what people think of Abbott, including me, this current Government no longer has any right to govern

    • David says:

      08:28am | 24/02/12

      Sorry Pete, while I agree that Tony isn’t up to the same standard of some of the other politicians we have had run this country PRIOR to Rudd and Co. I would still rather see his government any day over the week than the disaster we are currently enduring.

      These guys are so bad its dangerous.

      It’s also frightening that around 40 - 50% of the population are THAT stupid.

    • Nick says:

      08:33am | 24/02/12

      Fundamental versus Dysfunctional..Australians know which one is better!

    • dovif says:

      10:09am | 24/02/12

      Only one party in Australia have policy that are directed at prohibiting the use of internet, alcohol, smoking, gambling, and press freedom etc

      These policies will fit into any Christian fundamentalist teaching and does not come from Abbott

    • james says:

      11:00am | 24/02/12

      @Dovif

      Smoking in NSW with Barry O?

    • Pauly Z says:

      05:34pm | 24/02/12

      Peter if you don’t want people to know you don’t understand Australian politics. Don’t comment.

    • Fair Go Ego says:

      06:57am | 24/02/12

      A leopard doesn’t change its spots Mr Rudd. This whole issue is farcical. The ALP are close to f**ked…does anyone really care any-more? More than half the population couldn’t give a flying f**k about politics or the ALP. After Gillard crushes Rudd and his ego on Monday, he should do the honourable thing and either STFU or just resign, take his ego and f**k off back to Queensland.

    • Gratuitous Adviser says:

      08:40am | 24/02/12

      FGES
      Your ingenious use of the *** and STFU (it must be clever but what does that mean?)shows you to be a yobbo of the simplest kind who will add very little value to any sensible discussion on anything higher than football or cricket.

    • Gratuitous Adviser says:

      06:57am | 24/02/12

      The ALP, as it is today, is on the cusp of irrelevance as the principal advocate for social democracy in Australia.  The lack of an outcome from the Carr, Faulkner, Bracks 2010 Election Review at the 2011 Federal Conference, combined with the party’s lack of appreciation that its traditional constituency has a hatred for the style of internal politics that is dominant in today’s ALP, is quickly ruining the party and its ideals.

      I have no doubt that Rudd’s control phobia and his management by media and focus group was his downfall, however the June 2010 action by Arbib, Feeney, Shorten, Farrell, spokesman Howes and the main sponsor, the AWU’s Bill Ludwig was unforgivable and will go down in Labor history as one of their greatest strategic mistakes.  I personally felt that I had been robbed of a vote by the back room of the ALP.

      I now feel I am being violated again but this time it is from another back room operator.  I find it strange that the principal manager of Rudd’s comeback is not another MP, but a hired gun called Bruce Hawker.  Leading up to the current challenge, Hawker has been on more current affairs shows than Peter Reith patronising the Gillard Government but promoting Kevin Rudd and I did think at the time, why is he doing this??  I suspect what has happened is that when Rudd was deposed the cash cow stopped and Hawker is now trying to get back into the money, which is not a good look from Kevin Rudd.  The public do not like or trust lobbyists, especially the largest in Australia (175 customers, according to Wikipedia)

      By the by:  The opportunistic Liberal Party is sending out emails requesting donations for the next election. 

      When are they going to learn?  Tony Abbott may win the next “drovers dog” election, but the Liberal Party will be definitely in the same position as the current ALP, if they do not give Turnbull a go.

    • Taurus says:

      07:29am | 24/02/12

      Well said. The Coalition have a marvellous opportunity here to show some decorum and statesmanship. Labor will damage itself and the Coalition must stay on the high moral ground. In his role of Leader of the Opposition (but not including the role of prospective PM) Tony Abbott has achieved much headway using his energetic, consistent approach. I believe that a superb demonstration of leadership, governance and the desire to best serve Australia, would be shown by Tony acknowledging within the next few months that Malcolm Turnbull is the Coalition’s best person to lead Australia with statesmanship and dignity.  Attitudinally, it would present an opportunity to better tip-toe through the carbon tax issue. Sow that seed with Tony, and ensure all Coalition MPs stay absolutely mum on the subject.

    • Brenda says:

      07:41am | 24/02/12

      Turnbull is politically inept. He’s a very good businessman whose ego led him to believe he could translate that intelligence to politics. His background would probably make him a more suitable Treasurer than Hockey.  The WA Premier Barnett is an admirable, level headed man who would be a very good contender for future federal leadership, if he could be recruited.

      I doubt Turnbull is capable of succeeding as liberal leader. At the time Abbott challenged for the leadership I don’t believe it was a job Abbott was keen to get. It was Turnbull’s departure from stated Liberal climate change policy that forced Abbott to say, “no way”.  Abbott has grown into the job very effectively.

    • deeny says:

      01:00pm | 24/02/12

      Nobody could be as stupid, incompetet and dishonest as this current mob. No way a tony Abbott lead coalition would desend into such disfunction.
      I suppose that all you labor supportes have left is to attack Abbott. Its a fairly easy game plan to read and sadly for you its not working. Abbott has been the most effective opposition leader ever. he smashed Kevin Rudd and is now doing the same to Gillard. He is holding them to account and the left hate it. How dare someone question their child like decisions.
      The sooner our country rids itself of the scurge that is Rudd, Gillard, Swan and the rest of the socialist fools the better. We are a laughing stock because of labor BUT we still have dickheads carrying on about Tony Abbott.

      Well suck it up people because Abbott will be PM for at least 6 years before handing off to someone else in the Coalition. Labor can sit on their hands for the next 15 years.

    • Economist says:

      07:01am | 24/02/12

      Kevin R some advice. Put a bird on it!

    • Jordan says:

      07:01am | 24/02/12

      It’s obvious that Rudd has no support in the party and will lose. Gillard has run a good government, but has been poor at marketing itself. For example, the “Malaysia solution” was a good idea but nobody knew how it worked and the government didn’t get its message out.

      The relentless campaign of bigotry by right wing astroturfers which is evident across the entire media hasn’t helped. You can spot a lot of these guys because all they do is make the same old appeals to prejudice and have absolutely no substance to their posts. That’s a lot like Abbott on reflection.

    • Vivian says:

      07:01am | 24/02/12

      Watching Rudd at his presser he is like a child. He knows he doesn’t has the numbers so is appealing to “the people”. He hasn’t changed a bit this clown. What an egotistical tosser. People own the government he says. Hello Kevin when did you EVER listen to any person around you when you were the fleetingly short PM.

      And just on his people power and Labor should listen them I just want to point out the polls that show the VAST majority of people want T Abbott to be the Prime Minister. they want an adult Kevin. You claim to want to give the people their voice.? Pass a vote of no confidence and get an election going. Let’s see who wants what Kevin.

      Farcical. God it is good to see him operate again. It brings back memories of why he was so toxic and why he ran the country down so much.

      HAHAHAHA now he is ripping into Gillard and didn’t leak ion 2010. Liar. Just like Gillard.

    • Joel B1 says:

      07:05am | 24/02/12

      “Kevin Rudd ... who has been undermining Julia Gillard while she has been Prime Minister”.

      It’s fairly clear that Gillard white-anted Kevin during his time as PM. Gillard had a staffer write a “Wow, this is so unexpected, but if I need to be PM then OK then!” speech two weeks before the event illustrating this. A further illustration of the shear nastiness of Gillard is her getting a staffer to incite a race riot on Australia day trying to smear Tony Abbott.

      (And who knows how many dirty and unconscionable tactics have *successfully* been used by Gillard without the public finding out?)

      Furthermore, Gillard’s Ministers have always gone out of their way to denigrate Rudd during his rather successful time as foreign minister.

      And given that politics is actually just a popularity contest why should the rightly despised Gillard get to be PM?

    • Arthur says:

      07:07am | 24/02/12

      The Labor party will be decimated under Gillard. How dumb can the ministers of the Labor party be?

      They have every thing to lose sticking with the despised Gillard.

    • R Rodgers says:

      08:24am | 24/02/12

      Correct,Gillard is everything Australians hate and leads the most corrupt Government ever.Craig Thompson should have been put in jail.He has been caught ripping off money and should be punsihed,but Gillard is ensuring it drags on to maintain power,she must go and the faceless or no nuts men must stop trying to ensure their mates get a good back room deal and start listening to the people.We as Australians must have a voice.

    • Arthur says:

      09:39am | 24/02/12

      Yep R Rodgers, and the grubs that have led the hold up of that Thompson inquiry should be sacked. We are treated like such fools because collectively we are. The country should have gone on strike when Gillard said he wouldn’t be stood down.

      The country should have gone on strike when Gillard said there’d be a carbon tax.

      The country should have gone on strike when Gillard betrayed Wilkie (whether we agree with the agreement or not).

      The country should have gone on strike when Gillard failed with border protection.

      This government is all our collective fault.

    • Abu The Goat Boy says:

      09:53am | 24/02/12

      @Arthur, I hope you mean annihilated and not just decimated. Decimation would be enough to get the LNP into office but not enough to NSW-ise the ALP. Although the thought of having a ‘star’ like John Robertson as interim Federal opposition leader is truly frightening.

    • Arthur says:

      10:16am | 24/02/12

      Abu The Goat Boy ” I hope you mean annihilated”

      We can only wish, but unfortunately we are the same as Greece. MOST of us know what’s needed but so many want to stay shunted to the gravy train. Of course Labor also increase those addicted to welfare every time they’re in government.

      It’s all too easy, but alas it’s all too unsustainable. Annihilated would be great, but I doubt very much that it will happen.

    • stevem says:

      10:57am | 24/02/12

      You’re perfectly correct Abu. Labor would like nothing more than to be decimated at the next election. It will be far worse than that for them though.

    • Ros says:

      07:11am | 24/02/12

      He hasn’t changed. What he said about East Asia Summit, resignation speech

      “I’m proud of the fact that we built a new institution in Asia, which, for the first time in the history of Asia, brings the United States, China, Japan, India, Australia, and all the other countries in the region, around a single table, able to discuss and negotiate a peaceful security future for Australia.”

      What Downer said 2006
      At the end of last year, the Prime Minister attended the first East Asia Summit in Kuala Lumpur. I attended the Foreign Ministers meeting in the lead-up to the Summit.I think there are two points worth making on the East Asian Summit.First, Australia’s very presence at the summit gives us a stake and a degree of influence in how regionalism evolves.We use our presence to emphasise the importance of open and inclusive regionalism.
      ABC report 2005
      HAMISH ROBERTSON: Australia is finally about to join the Asia club, with the Prime Minister, John Howard, flying to Kuala Lumpur this week for the first East Asia Summit.
      Mr Howard’s trip has been 10 to 15 years in the making because that’s how long it took for Australia to overcome the veto of the former Malaysian Prime Minister, Mahathir Mohamad.

      What the rest of the world thought happened
      “While Secretary of State Hillary Clinton participated in the 2010 EAS as the Vietnamese government’s guest, this year will mark the first time a U.S. president attends the summit. The decision to join the EAS is part of a broader strategy to pivot American foreign policy away from the Middle East toward the dynamic Asia-Pacific region. The United States wants to help build the regional architecture through which future challenges will be addressed….
      As allies such as Australia and Japan advanced proposals for competing organizations, the United States adopted a wait-and-see attitude toward the EAS. However, it ultimately sought membership after the rejection of rival plans coupled with increased efforts by ASEAN to tackle difficult issues and become more results-oriented.”

      The first summit was held in Kuala Lumpur on December 14, 2005

    • Mahhrat says:

      07:14am | 24/02/12

      It’s Kevin!! Kevy-K! He’s bringing the rock that we NEED.

    • Eric says:

      07:16am | 24/02/12

      Australians need better competition from both major parties. Can we please get some quality back into the sport. Labor going with Kevin for leader is pretty low risk if your party is spluttering along around 33%.
      Check out the “Release Kevin” petition. Will be interesting if it or other web vehicles can capture the popular groundswell for Kevin.
      http://www.petitionbuzz.com/petitions/releasekevin

    • Arthur says:

      07:16am | 24/02/12

      If Rudd loses, he should retire and bring the whole sorry party to an end.

    • William says:

      02:22pm | 24/02/12

      @Arthur

      Why? It would only be Round One.

    • JT says:

      07:20am | 24/02/12

      If Labor knew that Kevin Rudd was this unstable, arrogant psychopath why was he made leader of the Labor Party pre 07 election and then upon winning the election PM?

      Could it be they were happy to overlook this in their bid to get power? Likewise with making him foreign minister, do and say anything to retain that power even if that meant giving the loose canon whatever he wanted.

      If there is one thing the Labor Party has shown since winning in 07 is it has never and will never be about competent governing for Australia. It is and always will be for them about whatever it takes to have and keep power.

    • hermes says:

      08:48am | 24/02/12

      Also, why aren’t his former colleagues in Foreign Affairs bagging him if he is so bad?

    • Tony says:

      07:23am | 24/02/12

      LABOR is an acronym for Loonies, Apes, Boofheads, Oafs, & Racketeers

    • Deepthinker says:

      09:29am | 24/02/12

      Yer Yer !!! I like that. I wish I could have thought up something like that. Truth is stranger than fiction.

    • Ros says:

      07:26am | 24/02/12

      Then there is his “Pax Pacifica” He first spoke of this notion in February in New York to the Asiasociety, with no acknowledgement of John Galtung but rating it as a notion that would be a great moment in history. He was to spin it again at Carnegie but his resignation put the kybosh on that great moment in history.

      Ha has clearly sent it to every English language newspaper in the world. Turkey, Singapore, Guatemala, Indonesia amongst others. No wonder he had to shift funds from DFAT to paying for his staff. Maybe if he is PM again he will cost us less.

    • Iamme says:

      07:30am | 24/02/12

      So almost every poll of voters is 80/20 to Rudd yet the caucus is the opposite. Are these backbenchers so dumb that they cannot see that Gillard cannot win an election and that they will lose their seat. The only chance the Alp has is with Rudd at the helm.

    • antman says:

      12:50pm | 24/02/12

      But they have another 18 months in which they need to govern. Rudd cannot govern, he proved that when he had the chance. Gillard may not be popular and her dscisions may not be to everyone’s tastes but she is getting the business of government done. The ALP don’t have the luxury of the opposition; that of being able to be in perpetual campaigning mode because they don’t have any other responsibilities. We pay for a government to govern, not to look forward to the next election. That is what the media should be reporting.

    • CiscoKid says:

      07:34am | 24/02/12

      Now look and listen children ,these two politicians ,Kevin Rudd and Julia Gillard ,are living specimens of delusional people.

    • Long Time Labor Voter says:

      07:36am | 24/02/12

      Gillard is an embarrassment—I cringe every time I hear her drone.

    • Joan says:

      07:40am | 24/02/12

      Rudd is a liberal. I don’t know how he got into that camp!!

    • Bob says:

      07:44am | 24/02/12

      Whoever wins, what will change? There will still be a carbon tax in the Govt I lead, Mr Wilkie still wont get his promised Pokies reform, the boats will keep on coming, and will we get a surplus in 2012/13? Mr Abbott will be blamed for everything. The Greens and Independents will still call the shots. Mr Thompson will still be an MP and Mr Slipper the speaker. And more broken promises.

    • antman says:

      12:52pm | 24/02/12

      But under Rudd, nothing will get done and government will stagnate for 18 months.

    • Trollercoaster says:

      07:56am | 24/02/12

      Hahah, Liberal views are also linked to lower IQ and racism.  True fact.

    • Arthur says:

      08:14am | 24/02/12

      Joking right?

    • albie says:

      08:23am | 24/02/12

      True fact in your own very simple mind I’m afraid!
      If this is all that you can come up with then the ALP have got bigger problems than I originaly thought.
      It’s called - If at first you don’t suceed resort to name calling and gutter crawling!

    • Jem Atticus Finch says:

      01:57pm | 24/02/12

      It wasnt the Liberals that decided to exploit the tent embassy and try and create a race riot. In “to kill a mockingbird” Atticus finch said that to trick and exploit a poor black man was one of the worst things that could be done and that a man that did it was SCUM. Labor and Gillard are SCUM.

      As for you stupid comment about IQ. I suppose that is why the majority of business leaders and winners support the Coalition while SCUM supports Labor.

    • Razor says:

      08:05am | 24/02/12

      Whatever the outcome, Swan, Bourke, Crean and Gilliard will forever be remembered as angry, bitter and twisted screable.

    • DJ says:

      08:17am | 24/02/12

      Stand by for the pathetic media headlines like this one. How can the media take such an obvious side? This perfectly demonstrates the subjectiveness of this media site as they have all been far from objective over the last couple of months. Totally pro-Gillard. This site has always been a source of humour for me as I continually laugh at these pathetic reporters (repeaters?). I see straight through your charade….

    • Jenni says:

      08:18am | 24/02/12

      Tweedle dee, tweedle dum.
      I smell the scent of an election.
      Big Red or Milky bar kid?
      I bet Labor are now regretting that they took off the lid!

    • Your name:albie says:

      10:40am | 24/02/12

      In reply to Razor,
      Roses are red violets are blue, it sounds as though you would like Kevin Rudd waking up next to you!

    • Ros says:

      08:23am | 24/02/12

      Interesting article Malcolm.

      There is much chatter about how not only the Labor pollies didn’t tell the truth about him, neither did the press. I do however recall you speaking fairly early in his reign on the Insiders about his issues. Did you get into trouble for that?

      Come on folks, he is bonkers. He is not just about saving Australia, he believes it is his destiny to save the world. Of course that isn’t cheap, hence he has spent more on travel than Hilary Clinton. Can we afford Emperor Rudd?

      Then there are the political commentators, claiming that his opponents in the ALP are motivated by spite. Couldn’t possibly allow that they are motivated by fear of a megalomaniac running Australia.

      As for spite, he reduced a RAAF servicewoman to tears with his abuse, and all she did was hand him his meal, had nothing to do with the “mistake”. Anyone who believes that all will be forgiven by him if they only hand back his rightful crown, is crazy.

      That many believe he got a raw deal is fair enough. To believe that is sufficient reason to hand back the power over democracy in Australia to him again is also crazy.

      No fan of Gillard, but her very first mistake wasn’t to bounce him, it was to show him compassion. She should have played tit for tat (the most successful strategy for the iterated prisoner’s dilemma)  Once he got what he wanted, with the cheesy grins etc, he betrayed them. While it was OK to trust him first off, once he betrayed the best response is to copy what the other player does. That is her response should have been at the very least, shut him down. Apart from the fact that he had a history of betrayal, I would bet he sees compassion as merely weakness.

    • poa says:

      08:26am | 24/02/12

      Rudd will lose badly on Monday. The Union backed Gillard threats of stripping pre-selection from camp-Rudd is too great.
      Rudd’s revenge will be great.
      What do you think the chances are of him either not showing in parliament or supporting Mondays no-confidence motion in the Gillard government?
      Or just resigning from parliament.?
      Either way..its all over.
      The Independants have approached the Coalition ( and been told to wrack off)....I wouldn’t play with snakes either.

    • Bruce says:

      02:27pm | 24/02/12

      @poa

      100% BS. The Independents wouldn’t touch the Noalition with a ten foot stick. It was them who told Abbott to rack off 18 months ago.

    • james says:

      08:31am | 24/02/12

      when do you journos get it? the majority of australians is not opposed to a carbon tax; the ets was a key component in krudd’s 2007 victory, and the final death blow to his public support when he shelved it. what has made the carbon tax unpopular is julia’s broken promise, not the tax itself.

    • Benny says:

      08:41am | 24/02/12

      Um no….lots of people hate it also

    • Mark Menzies says:

      08:46am | 24/02/12

      Obvioulsy James must be living on another planet.  Both the carbon tax and Julia Gillard are despised by the Australian people.  Gillard has no credibility and is an habitual liar.

    • Jane says:

      08:54am | 24/02/12

      Mark

      But is was Rudds committment, Rudds promise that meant we had to have a tax of some sort. Gillard actually picked the cheapest one on offer. so why attack her is a weakness in the Australian people, not a weakness in Julia.

    • Mark says:

      09:31am | 24/02/12

      “Gillard actually picked the cheapest one on offer”.... hahaha. I can only assume that was a sarcastic joke Jane…

    • Stephen T says:

      10:36am | 24/02/12

      It is a comedy of errors; do you think Gillard would have adopted the Carbon tax after the election if she had been in a better position with the number of seats?  True it does her no credit that she did shift position and betray her commitment to the Australian people, but you need to ask who put her in that position?  Australia needs, no deserves a strong government but it is difficult to exercise strength when you are anaemic, bleed dry by the death of a thousand leaks, to my mind Tony Abbott is a fine opposition leader and could make a fine PM if given the chance, Gillard as much as I dislike her was never given the opportunity to be anything other than what she has become.  Kevin Rudd however has never been anything other than what he is now, he isn’t interested in democracy he is effectively trying to coerce, to blackmail the Labor Caucus into acceding to his demands and he is duping sections of the Australian public into aiding and abetting him.  Rudd’s obsession with power at the expense of everything else is absurd it neutralizes any benefits that he has brought to our society, sadly his immoral behaviour makes the word morally absurd and makes the language of morality meaningless and ensuing political action without enduring value.

    • Peta says:

      08:33am | 24/02/12

      I have to love Gillard out there talking about her good reforms and mentions the price on carbon over and over! Hilarious. The woman is delude beyond belief.

    • Melanie says:

      08:40am | 24/02/12

      People, don’t just complain on here. Whatever your preference - email your local member!! Tell them who YOU want them to vote for, and why. They are supposed to be our representatives in parliament, and we should still have a voice in this. (It probably won’t do much good…. but you never know….)

    • Ben C says:

      10:10am | 24/02/12

      @ Melanie

      You’ve really summed it up in your last sentence. Good luck convincing our members to go against the party machine.

    • antman says:

      12:58pm | 24/02/12

      They may be our representatives in Parliament but they are not our representatives in the ALP. Whoever leads the ALP is a matter for the ALP and the ALP alone.

    • The Tealady of the Apocalypse says:

      01:07pm | 24/02/12

      uhhhh, my local member is a liberal.  She’s probably sitting back, relaxing with a nice glass of wine and enjoying the show.  And so am I.  Cheers!

    • antman says:

      01:18pm | 24/02/12

      Mine too, Tealady. She’s probably working on her crazy eyes stare as well.

    • Seeking Political Asylum says:

      08:40am | 24/02/12

      Imagine if Turnbull was still leader of the opposition. He’d be able to chicken dance his way into the lodge if the only thing standing in his way is the rabble that is Abbott/Gillard/Rudd.

    • antman says:

      01:00pm | 24/02/12

      Imagine.

      A Liberal party with Turnbull as leader would probably receive my vote (no absolute commitment, there could be another 18 months before that vote needs to be cast and anything can happen); with Abbott as leader - no way, ever.

    • Jay says:

      08:48am | 24/02/12

      Rudd will probably be defeated in the vote on Monday, however the faceless men and women of the Labor Party still do not listen. Julia Gillard is unelectable at the next election. Look at the polls where Rudd is miles in front and Gillard has never looked like being popular. This argument that Julia is a progressive PM is rubbish. The Australian people kicked out Howard who had a 20 billion surplus, paid of ALL Govt debt and even had money to create the Future Fund which holds 70 billion dollars and helps pay for Labor’s public servants.Interestingly Labor has not added one cent to this fund and has been looking at ways to try and get their grubby hands on it.. Gillard lied to the people. She told a bare faced lie and then tried to laugh it off. We have not forgotton or forgiven. Get rid of her; put someone else in the top job and try to minimize the slaughter that is coming at the next election. The Greens are on the cusp of becoming the next major political force in this country whilst Labor will stagger for many years.

    • antman says:

      01:04pm | 24/02/12

      The polls should not be relevant. The obligation of the ALP is to vote for the person who will best lead the business of government for the remaining life of the Parliament, notthe one who gives them the best chance of winning at the next election.

      Before continuing to laud the Howard Government’s economic credentials, do a bit of research on structural defecits and see why they condemned the Government, of whichever persuasion, to massive budget defecits as soon as tax receipts suffered a glitch, let alone the massive drop in tax receipts that occurred due to the GFC. That was all the fault of the Howard Government.

    • Denny says:

      02:52pm | 24/02/12

      Antman - if this was the ALP obligation then they would be voting for Tony Abbott. He is beyond any shadow of a doubt the best person in the parliment to lead the nation.

      Anyone who say Turnbull is a labor supporter and deluginal. He will never be PM - unless he joins labor and throws his hat into the ring on Monday.

    • antman says:

      03:30pm | 24/02/12

      Denny, most people in this country disagree with your contention that Abbott is the best person to lead the country. That’s a pretty big shadow of doubt. ANyway, the ALP couldn’t vote for TA as he isn’t a member.

      Why is anyone who prefers Turnbull delusional? He out polls Abbott regularly and, unlike the arch-Conservative Abbott, he is actually a liberal (to think, a liberal in the Liberal Party).

      In most circumstances, I would prefer to see the ALP in government; in general, their policies, social policies in particular, align more with my view of the way I would like to see people treated. Economically, I currently don’t have much of a preference; the current lot have continued to spend too long after the main impact of the GFC was warded off, they haven’t dismantled enough of the Howard middle-class welfare (but, where they have, means testing for too many allowances, rebates, supplements cuts in at the same income, creating a situation akin to the old problem where low income earners moving off welfare were worse off because of a loss of benefits, only higher up the income scale). The previous lot raked in the windfall taxes of an economy boosted by China but gave nothing productive back, just middle class welfare - a totally wasted decade. Unfortunately, the ALP aren’t even delivering on the social side, NBN aside.

      I’m saying to the Liberal Party that I’m prepared to let bygones be bygones post-Howard and give you my vote if you will provide a leadership and policies that are liberal (as was Menzies’ intention when he formed the Party) and not merely conservative.

    • TimR says:

      08:54am | 24/02/12

      Rudd is a modern day Napoleon! He should have resigned from Elba instead of Washington.
      Now all he needs to do is ride to the ballot on a horse wearing a tri-point hat and yell ‘if any of you will shoot your emperor, shoot him now!’ and the PM gig is all his.

    • Jallukar Boy says:

      09:00am | 24/02/12

      Sad,sad, sad! So very sad. We, the people, deserve better. Where is the debate based on ideas, policy and direction? What we are seeing is just hatred, egomania and contempt for our democracy.

    • Razor says:

      09:02am | 24/02/12

      At all times the Libs job is the same - to be an ineffective opposition and an alternative. With no credibility
      This is there forte what they are best at striving for mediocrity, excelling in incompetence, providing humour and entertainment to the masses as they battle to come to terms with complex issues like Broadbank and Carbon Paper Tax and everything else
      Save us Ruddy!!!!

    • TimR says:

      09:33am | 24/02/12

      whilst you struggle to come to terms with simpler issues, like spelling.
      The education revolution came too late for Razor.

    • Razor says:

      09:08am | 24/02/12

      ———————the people the NLP represent (Big Business, Mining Maggotts, Filthy Rich and the Major Polluters) have never pretended the enormous ammount of money they make is for the benefit of their staff.
      Being arrogant, pompous and successful there is no need for pretence.
      It is the natural order of things that 80% do the work to make the other 20% filthy rich.
      This is the fundemental principle of the Liberal Party.
      Screw the working class to keep the supporter basis happy.
      now get back to work you bludgers your boss needs a ninth car.

    • Denny says:

      03:03pm | 24/02/12

      Ever heard of the Fabian society Razor? A society that believes in BIG business running everything. A society completely filled with labor politicians but no conservatives. Labor is the party of big business. Anyone with half a brain knows that - which is why some many labor drones get on here saying the opposite.

      Conservatives are generally small business man and people who are successfull but want government out of their lives.

    • Mik says:

      09:11am | 24/02/12

      Enough!

    • kp says:

      09:12am | 24/02/12

      Bring back the Libs.  Life was always good under them !!!!!!!!!!

    • Razor says:

      09:19am | 24/02/12

      Yes provided one was not old, ill, disabled, unemployed. female, aboriginal,
      lower to middle class tax payer or a parent

    • PK says:

      02:29pm | 24/02/12

      @kp

      All you have to do is win an election. Good luck with that.

    • Elle says:

      09:14am | 24/02/12

      I don’t like any party’s current leader.  However, when it comes to Gillard and Rudd it’s a question of substance v hollow spin.  Gillard may need to present herself more professionally to the public but at least she works for the Australian people’s interests.  Rudd is an empty shell of manipulative spin and vindictiveness.  He has one objective only and that is his own self-interest and building his future career - and if that is done at the expense of Australia’s interests so be it.  Rudd may appear like a nice little man who was done wrong but he’s really nothing more than a nasty, manipulative troll who will again be dysfunctional in making decisions to benefit Australians and will spend his time going overseas building himself up.  How soon people forget.

    • Elle says:

      12:20pm | 24/02/12

      Dear Razor, I didn’t get the chance to reply to your personal attack on me before it was taken off.  However, I would like to apologise for not editing my post to read more easily but I think most people got the gist of it.  Also, given the extreme concern you displayed for proper grammer and spelling, I would like to point out that ‘u’ is not a word or is an incorrectly spelt word.

    • Mark says:

      09:21am | 24/02/12

      Ah, I think these pro-gillard posters who in one breath call rudd a narcisicst, and in the next claim that he has not one ounce of tallent and no communication skills should stop and have a look at themselves. have you guys not seen the polls??? Support for Rudd over Gillard amoungst voters can only be catagorised as a landslide (although even this hardly gives justice to an 85-15 split).

      Slightly narcicistic point of view to assume that the 15% who support Gillard are right and the other 85% are stupid and wrong isn’t it???

      I’m a swinging voter and voted for Rudd in 07, then Abbott over Gillard in 2010. Whether its right or wrong, the PM of Australia is our representative figure head to the world and Gillard is a downright embarrasment. All politicians use cheesy one liners and cliches, but Gillard is downright patronising like a first year out marketing student spewing out meaningless quotes that have no cut through with the audience (“getting on with the job”, “moving forward”, “making the hard decisions”).

      The contempt she has shown for the voting public with relentless lies and question dodging will see her go down in history for all the wrong reasons (Australia’s equivilant of GW Bush).

      As a few have mentioned already, a Rudd vs Turnbull election (as it should have been in 2010) is what is needed. Two clear communicators who can represent their party and communicate pollicy, whilst leaving the nuts and bolts of the pollicy making to competant ministers (which both Gillard and Abbot are, but neither are PM material).

    • JT says:

      10:33am | 24/02/12

      You have to be either a complete and utter moron or a Labor hack to ever support Turnbull. He had little support in his own party, none from the base and despite the profession of love from Labor hacks, he was being comprehensively slaughtered by Rudd the entire time he was leader of the opposition.

      Turnbull is the dream of Labor hacks everywhere and is only ever suggested by them. They know he is to the Coalition what Gillard is to Labor. A dead person walking.

    • antman says:

      01:15pm | 24/02/12

      So, Mark,

      In 2007, you lived in the seat of Griffith and, at some time before the 2010 election, you moved to the electorate of Warringah. Either that or you are lying and you did not vote for either and you voted for a candidate in your own election. You voted for the party you wante to form government. Whoever that party choses to lead them is a matter for the party, not you. Remember Costello being bagged out by large sections of the populace and the media for not challenging Howard for the leadership? Yet, when the ALP decides that the leader at the time is incapable of performing the job effectively, to the detriment of the nation, it is called back-stabbing or knifing or blamed on the ‘faceless men’ instead of being lauded as being in the best interests of government.

    • Denbo says:

      09:22am | 24/02/12

      What differencde does it make who’s driving labour?

      Can anyone tell me what this government has actually done except spend the surplus left to them, waste money, invent more taxes to try any pay for their waste and bicker amongstr themselves.

      The only thing Julia and Kev agree on is that they’re America’s best mates.

      How is it that the government has plenty to waste on pink batts, schools, broadband networks, set-top boxes… the list goes on ... but when a disaster like the Queensland floods strike, the country has to have a whip-around and a levy to help people in real need of help.

    • antman says:

      01:21pm | 24/02/12

      Denbo,

      THe Howard Government had already pre-spent their surplus through massive middle-class welfare. The problem was that, when tax receipts collapsed in 2008 as a result of the GFC (how soon people forget that it did have some effect on us), there was insufficient income to top it up again, which is what the Coalition government had been banking on. Educate yourself properly, don’t just accept the Liberal Party and Murdoch press propaganda.

    • bruce says:

      09:29am | 24/02/12

      Lately, I have had to tolerate Labor Politicians raving on about “Traditional Labor Values”. The values that I have seen them demonstrate are, extreme ambition, mendacity, emotionalism, treachery and treason. Most often they bribe their way into power, to our shame and danger.

    • RAZOR says:

      09:32am | 24/02/12

      We can’t afford high speed rail but the massively greater costs of interstate freeways is fine, as are the billions of dollars of imported jetliners to pollute our skies and inner city suburbs.

      Public transport needs to pay its own way but not public roads.

      We can’t afford the “exorbitantly” high mortgages, just the fat MacMansions that fill our vast suburbs.

      We can’t afford the energy bills to heat and cool the badly designed Macmansions.

      We can’t afford the petrol to put into the ridiculously oversize 4WDs that clog our roads.

      We can’t afford the education to keep us an intelligent, well informed, competitive nation just the big screen TVs and BluRay junk we play on them that keeps us dumb.

      A mining tax is waste, but not the mining billionaires’ personal blow out parties, bling and yachts.

      A tiny carbon tax is the end of the world as we know it but not the 10% GST brought in by the Liberals.

      Ah ignorance is bliss.

    • Abu The Goat Boy says:

      10:10am | 24/02/12

      @RAZOR, I was trying to figure out where we had met. Last election, Grayndler, you were handing out how to vote cards for the Greens outside Marrickville Town Hall?

      If not your Greens credentials come through loud and clear.

    • Jay says:

      12:25pm | 24/02/12

      Razor,
      You forgot to add that Big wigs which run the billion dollar Corporations enjoy sacking Aust. workers and sending their jobs overseas. They save a fortune and then earn a bigger bonus so they can buy another property or dud soccer team.

    • Zopo says:

      09:36am | 24/02/12

      We are a crazy lot if we vote Labor back in at election time, I don’t care who is running the party. It’s been a shambles since Labour started campaigning in ‘07.

    • Australians R Bunnies says:

      09:46am | 24/02/12

      Gobsmack wrote: “My estimate of the average judgment and intelligence of the Australian electorate is lowered further by the apparent popularity of this creepy phoney. “

      Such polls merely say that Rudd ranks better than Gillard.  And both rank below Abbott. It’s a relative measure. 

      I think I might be wrong about Australian’s being total Bunnies. Because the polls are saying: we don’t care who you are, if you’re illegitimate then hit the road. If so, democracy is doing its job here.  A PM rules through consent of the electorate. The smaller the consent the less latitude a PM will have.

      If the masses feel Gillard’s power is illegitimate then Gillard’s power is illegitimate. It doesn’t matter what Gillard thinks.

    • Garry says:

      09:58am | 24/02/12

      I will start with my fence position, I am a Liberal. Now having said that I am a person interested in politics (and will never consider going into it) I have some comments I would like to discuss.

      I am truly peeved in the manner Rudd was dumped. The lies that came forward from Gillard and Co since have done the Labor party - the people - a true injustice. And this ‘you don’t vote for the person’ then why was I seeing ‘Kevin 07’ just about everywhere.

      Secondly, the right way is a ballot, should never have been a night attack.

      Third, rightly or wrongly the ballot should have been as it will on Monday, why was Rudd not given that opportunity back then.

      Gillard has done very little, in fact as far as I am concerned a whole heap worse and now its a case of ‘Oh heck, what did we do last time and hell we would look stupid going back cap in hand.’

      Maybe Rudd should come back to the top job, he may not do any better but it would give a better face to the party, bring stability, bring competition back.

      Alternatively, a third person becomes PM, but then what does that say about Australian politics, let alone the Labor party.

    • Gravelly says:

      10:04am | 24/02/12

      A call to the so called Independants: Do something useful for once and force a general election, preferably both houses! NOW!

    • Mik says:

      10:08am | 24/02/12

      With all these “truths” and associations coming out now, just who has dropped the bundle over the past few years, the Government, or the media who should have been fearlessly investigating issues far more thoroughly? And just what is the fourth estate doing at the moment to identify and investigate what other things are happening in Australia, the World and in the government administration of this country while this circus continues?

    • Richard the Lionheart says:

      08:45am | 25/02/12

      Investigate the rule of “The Gang of Four” 2007-2010, Mr Farr.  Rudd, Gillard, Swan and Tanner. Why did Tanner opt out? Gillard was in up to her neck in Rudd’s government. Tanner and Gillard were lovers, only he knows the lies and truth about this woman. Track Tanner down and ask him what went on. Everyone else has blabbed. I would love to know his side of things.

    • Glenn says:

      10:12am | 24/02/12

      What would be the possibilty of the following. K Rudd either does not contest or is defeated. He announces that as a result of the toxic attacks on him by other Labor Pollies etc, that he will resign from the Labor Party and become an Independent (seems to be the fashion these days). Why would you stay - they have made it quite clear that he is “a wrecker” - to quote W Swan. He then will negotiate with PM Gillard as to whether he will support the Government just like Andrew Wilkie - who was also shafted.  If you were he why wouldn’t you. In fact if he doesn’t and says it is for the good of the Labor party he loves so dearly,  he is in fact supporting the “unAustralian Way” - quote K Rudd. that he has spoken about.

    • JT says:

      10:12am | 24/02/12

      I think Gillard has only one option at remaining PM long term (till the election anyway) and that is to take the extraordinary step of expelling Rudd from the Labor Party (assuming she can garner the support for such a move).

      It is inevitable that Rudd will take over again. Not likely this coming Monday but sometime in the future as Gillard becomes truly terminal, Rudd will strike again from the backbench and Labor will choose power over their hatred of him.

    • Aitch B says:

      11:22am | 24/02/12

      @JT

      She doesn’t have that power. Only the party national executive does -  perhaps the state executive also.

    • JT says:

      11:41am | 24/02/12

      Not the power but the support (maybe). If she has the influence she could pressure them in expelling him for the sake of the party.

    • KimL says:

      08:42am | 25/02/12

      Not only doesn’t she have the power to do that but if she does something stupid like removing him..well she has lost Government hasn’t she. They in are in a hung Parliament because of what they did to Rudd, the leaks had nothing to do with it but they are too full of themselves to see it

    • OMG says:

      10:15am | 24/02/12

      Latham - disfunctional - sacked. 
      Crean - ineffective - sacked. 
      Rudd - disfunctional - sacked. 
      Gillard - untrustworthy - sacked or soon to be voted out ? 
      Is there a pattern here?  Where is the leadership?

    • Felix says:

      11:09am | 24/02/12

      I’ll like to see TChong try to answer this.

    • gazdoe says:

      10:17am | 24/02/12

      Now that we are all sick of this from both sides.. (Labor and Liberal). Here is the solutions as far fetched as it may sound… Kevin Rudd and his supporters leave the Labor Party. Malcolm Turnbull and his supporters leave the Liberal Party. They then form and alternative party. Lets just say they both leave with 20 members each. They have 40 members. That would then reduce both the existing Labor and Liberals with only around 35 members each and bingo… Kevin and Malcolm are the New Federal Government made up from minds and visions from each party… Now that sounds like a real plan to me…

    • RANK FRANK says:

      10:22am | 24/02/12

      So interesting watching GILLARDS MINISTERS telling us how good they are.
      THATS THE PROBLEM - they dont know how bad they are.
      LISTEN MINISTERS ’ Australian voters are telling you how bad, totally ineffectual and (by the way )
      intrustworthy you are. Got it. If not read it again stupid.
       
      HELP Us If You Can -  An Election Now !  - Im Feelin Down

    • Mouse says:

      11:53am | 24/02/12

      Yep, at the moment it is 1 undecided (Perrett??? wasn’t he going to resign and force a by-election if gillard lost?),  9 for Krudd, 26 for gillard.  Will keep you updated if you like :o)

    • Mouse says:

      01:44pm | 24/02/12

      31 gillard, 13 Krudd, 2 undecided :o)

    • Govt@FauxCitizen says:

      10:26am | 24/02/12

      @MFarr…Julias juggernaut? WTF more like Juliars Jolly Jokers.

    • Mr Colonic says:

      10:30am | 24/02/12

      If the people who work for you and the people who work with you say you’re a turd then there’s a 99% chance that you/re a turd.They say that you can’t polish a turd but Little Kevvie was looking semi polished this morning when he bounced off the plane. Perhaps you can polish a turd ! But remember, when the polish wears off as it always does, the turd is still there. Gillard and Rudd are both turds and the ALP is the rectum of politics that has dumped them on the Australian people. We need an election to get rid of the stink.

    • leonardo says:

      10:36am | 24/02/12

      Listen to the people we have rights, we voted him in and polies voted him out without consulting the peoples of this nation. And now were supposed to sit back and let them make the decision again. Were have our rights gone. Action your rights let your voice, thoughts, your vote that they took from you and contact your labor members and let them know who you vote for. its our right we are a democracy. We have stand up let them know what we want.

    • Shavin' Stevens says:

      10:38am | 24/02/12

      No doubt about it a Razor is, by definition, a tool.

    • razor says:

      11:23am | 24/02/12

      And what meaning do you expect your delusional self-important statements of unknowing, inexperienced opinion to have with me? What fantasy do you hold that you would believe that your tiny-fisted tantrums would have more weight than that of a leprous desert rat, spinning rabidly in a circle, waiting for the bite of the snake?

    • Shavin' Stevens says:

      11:49am | 24/02/12

      @ razor

      LOL!!

      Are you trying to sound unhinged for comic effect or are you for real?

      Either way you are hilarious. Thanks for the laughs.

    • Ben C says:

      11:58am | 24/02/12

      @ razor

      And your opinion is more experienced how?

    • RIchard says:

      10:45am | 24/02/12

      Very good Mal. There is a core of Government stalwarts, and you are one of them, who cannot see the real situation: if you destroy Rudd here and now, your electoral standing will sink even further. That’s the long and the short of it. If you right the wrong of June ‘10, your electoral standing will improve, simple as that.

      Now, as I predicted all along, it is exceedingly clear that there will be an election this year. That is inevitable now, no matter what happens on Monday. But this hard-core van of ultra-beltway inside elitists must realise that they’re marginalising themselves by pursuing Rudd like this.

      In essence, they’re vehemently blowing a raspberry into the noses of the public, and that kind of attitude is going to lead you to electoral annihilation. Listen to the public.

    • Anna C says:

      10:48am | 24/02/12

      I can’t believe the amount of vitriol coming Kevin’s way from his former ministers. So what if Kevvie shouted at you or kept you waiting 2 hours to speak with him? Was that really reason enough to ditch him in favour of Julia.

      Toughen up princesses, we all have to work with people we don’t like. It’s called being a professional.

    • LEONARDO says:

      11:27am | 24/02/12

      Here here lol. toughen up. been working with store manager from hell for 2 years, just makes you a stronger person.
      goodone Anna hit that on the nail.

    • Razor says:

      11:33am | 24/02/12

      well said! some of drivel coming out of there mouths is just gold for the Libs in the Election campaign. These prissy pretenders are peeing into the wind.

    • L. says:

      02:16pm | 24/02/12

      “been working with store manager from hell for 2 years, just makes you a stronger person.”

      Really..?? I knda think it makes you someone who can’t find a better job..

    • RyaN says:

      10:55am | 24/02/12

      So this is democracy huh, the Labor party gets to vote who will be the next prime minister but the people do not.

      Sounds a lot like communism to me, unsurprising coming from the communist party of Australia, the Labor party.

    • Joan says:

      11:10am | 24/02/12

      That`s why the only Republic for Australia will be one in which all Australians get to vote for the President. The overight knifing of Rudd by Gillard and now this shenanigans underline just how little power the voter has in leader selection and that democracy as we imagine it to be doesn’t exist in Australia.

    • Stephen T says:

      11:26am | 24/02/12

      RyanN, Lol, happily give the current level of societal maturity it is just as well we do not get the opportunity to elect a Prime Minister, they are actually appointed by their colleagues in the party, supposedly on the basis that they are able administrators and leaders who represent the parties core values.  Just imagine the strife we could get ourselves into if we actually elected a Prime Minister,  I admit that our political systems not perfect but it is so much better than the alternative.

    • RyaN says:

      11:42am | 24/02/12

      @Stephen T: you think that this circus of clowns and freaks is better than the alternative? You mean an alternative where we have a government that doesn’t barefaced lie to the people in order to gain power “There will be no carbon tax under a government I lead - Julia Gillard”  or a government that implements policies responsibly that don’t result in the deaths of our children meanwhile patting themselves on the back as to how great they are like the insulation debacle that they refuse to take responsibility for?
      How about responsible use of OUR taxpayer money?

      Kevin Rudd keeps spouting out on telivision that people should speak up for what they want, the people have been screaming out loud and clear Kevin, they want one thing, CALL AN ELECTION!

      Now if Kevin Rudd was a real man who actually gave a flying toss about Australia and its people he would resign from his electorate along with his supporters to force an election. But we all know that this lying, corrupt and dysfunctional band of dropkicks couldn’t give a rats arse about Australia and its people, they care about no1 ONLY!

    • Stephen T says:

      12:48pm | 24/02/12

      @RyaN: Steady on a moment, this evidently has got you all excited and hyperactive, in your current condition you could be mistaken for a dyslexic acotrel : ).  I’m merely stating that under our current democratic system we do not elect the PM only our local representative and I am saying that I prefer our existing Westminster system of government to the Republican system where Presidents are directly elected by the people.  Sadly I personally do not believe that the Australian populace would do very well if they were forced to elect a PM or President, judging by the current posts and polls there are to many seriously immature individuals loose in our society.  Seriously though, if people were indeed serious about having an election they would be lodging their views with the GG, not that I see much help from that avenue.

    • RyaN says:

      02:07pm | 24/02/12

      @Stephen T: Fair call Stephen, fair call. This does have me all excited and hyperactive, I just can’t believe this circus!

    • Harvey says:

      02:38pm | 24/02/12

      @Ryan

      Remind me. When was the last time the public elected the leader of the Liberal Party ? Or are they Commies too !

    • RyaN says:

      06:18pm | 26/02/12

      @Harvey: Remind me the last time the public were subjected to such an embarrassing and completely unacceptable display by its supposed “leaders”, particularly under a Liberal leadership?
      What is clear is that this schoolyard joke of a government is completely unfit to govern and this brings into total disrepute the reasons why Windsor supported Gillard. This makes Windsor look as ridiculous a liar as Gillard has proven herself to be over, and over and over again.

      This is unacceptable, Australians have the right to decent government.

    • RyaN says:

      06:30pm | 26/02/12

      @Harvey: Oh and Harvey, do try out each party and see which one actually represents the people, the one made up of the people wanting to make a difference or the one made up entirely of union dropkicks and communist party members.

    • Corey says:

      10:59am | 24/02/12

      If Rudd loses, it’s going to be VERY ugly for Gillard and her Government. The electorate want Rudd as Leader.
      Gillard will be cremated if she wins on Monday. Second time she has kicked Rudd out. This will make her even less liked, it will be the final nail in her and the ALP’s coffin.
      She’s the gift that keeps giving.
      Being a Liberal supporter I hope she wins!

    • Felix says:

      11:21am | 24/02/12

      I feel sorry for Gillard. How can she and her family face the world after this huge mess. Any human with 1/2 a brain would have known that knifing Rudd would be a bad mistake with devastating consequences.

      Melbourne uni alumni? Sydney wins this time round.

    • razor says:

      11:26am | 24/02/12

      I cannot believe how incredibly stupid people suporting Gillard rather than Rudd. I mean rock-hard stupid. Dehydrated-rock-hard stupid. Stupid, so stupid that it goes way beyond the stupid we know into a whole different dimension of stupid. They are Trans-stupid stupid. Meta-stupid. Stupid collapsed on itself so far that even the neutrons have collapsed. Stupid gotten so dense that no intellect can escape. Singularity stupid. Blazing hot mid-day sun on Mercury stupid. They emit more stupid in one second than our entire galaxy emits in a year.

    • razor says:

      11:29am | 24/02/12

      Gilliard suporters have to be quasar stupid. Nothing in our universe can really be this stupid. Perhaps this is some primordial fragment from the original big bang of stupid. Some pure essence of a stupid so uncontaminated by anything else as to be beyond the laws of physics that we know. She is lying, deceitful, two faced cow. This is an epiphany of stupid for me.

    • esteban says:

      12:06pm | 24/02/12

      How stupid is it to support a man described by the majority of his colleagues as dysfunctional.

      Rudd is as a bigger liar as gillard but does it in a more sneaky clever way with media manipulation.

      Gillard uses blatant lies and rudd uses cunning lies. You have to pretty stupid to fall for either of those 2.

      Stay wired razor and keep up with reality

    • razor says:

      02:30pm | 24/02/12

      esteban@ The majority of his collegues? can you substantiate this?
      I suppose you fabricate your own atmospheric physics too?
      Better still!  yourself a favour mate turn yourself back in.
      Just be a good little nutjob and pop back in your cage and the nice nurse will give you a sedative and a lovely jacket to wear!

    • marley says:

      11:29am | 26/02/12

      @razor - well, lemme see.  Gillard took over from Rudd with the support of caucus.  She couldn’t have done that if Rudd had the numbers.  So basically, you’re saying the the caucus and the Cabinet of 2010 was quasar stupid.  And you’re saying that those Ministers who still support Gillard (which is most of them) and those MPs who also support her (which is a substantial number, possibly a majority) are quasar stupid as well.  So, my question is, why should anyone vote for a party that has so many quasar-stupid people in its ranks?  To vote for an ALP capable of this sort of thing would be the real epiphany of stupid for me.

    • Esteban says:

      11:34am | 24/02/12

      The blame for some of this debacle needs to laid at the feet of Turnbull.

      As opposition leader what could be more important than exposing a dysfunctional Govt?

      Turnbull had a preferred PM rating of 17% against a dysfunctional,chaotic and narcissistic spin master.

      In other words the worst PM in the history of Australia was pitted against the worst opposition leader in the history of Australia.

      Thank goodness A. Abbott took over and was eventually able to expose the dysfunction albeit too late for the 2010 election.

      Because of M. Turnbull we went to the 2010 election with a section of the Australian public and media being ignorant of the fact that we ahd a dysfunctional Govt.

      Yet it is apparent that the worst PM and worst opposition leader still have residual support within the community. I find that amaizing. But what is more staggering is that A. Abbott who is an effective opposition leader is portrayed as being unworthy of being PM.

      Some people want the status quo of a dysfunctional Govt with an innefective opposition and media that can’t expose it.  For them it is only uncomfortable when the opposition is effective and the dysfunction is exposed.

      For those people I wonder if you would consider us having a functional Govt held to account by an effective opposition? 2013 sound like a good time if you don’t mind.

    • Ben C says:

      01:09pm | 24/02/12

      @ Esteban

      I think you’re being harsh on Turnbull there, you must have forgotten about Brendan Nelson.

    • Troy says:

      11:34am | 24/02/12

      It seems the real issue isn’t about Rudd and Gillard per se, it is about the desire of the Australian public vs that of the ALP MP’s in Canberra.
      Gillard has lost the trust of the people and most don’t want her because she lies, not because of the carbon tax or any other specific issue, it’s her brazen duplicity. She may actually be capable of implementing more policies, and governing more effectively, but ‘the public’ dislike who she is and don’t want her regardless of these abilities.
      While some MP’s may only be looking after themselves there are no doubt many who honestly believe Gillard is a more functional PM than Rudd which puts them in opposition with the Australian public.
      The dilemma for those MP’s is whether they should vote for who they believe will be a more effective PM, despite what they know their constituents probably want, or act on the knowledge that Rudd is publicly more popular and concede to the desires of their electorate.

    • Farken says:

      11:39am | 24/02/12

      In this new period of openness, prepare for that account to be one of several which will be questioned, Malcolm Farr why have you not questioned gillards part in this as well or is it you like to look at 50 year old redheads ?

    • Soames says:

      11:46am | 24/02/12

      Mr Rudd is ‘acting’ in much the same manner as the US Republican presidential primary circus, by appealing to ‘the Australian people’.  There is little benefit for him in doing this, under the Westminster system.  As Therese Rein appealed “to the ordinary people” - by “writing to your local MP, (a Labor one) “, Labor Senators and so on, ain’t what ordinary Australians normally do. Most people have little faith in politicians of any colour, preferring to get on with their lives, work hard, pay the bills and one day, follow that dream in future years. A pox on both their houses.

    • John says:

      11:54am | 24/02/12

      That strange noise you hear is the Noalition luvvies drying the crocodile tears they shed for Kevin Rudd and backpedalling as fast as they can. He’s got them totally rattled already.

    • marley says:

      12:50pm | 24/02/12

      The thought of Kevin Rudd coming back to power and running another dysfunctional government into the ground is enough to rattle anyone.

    • John says:

      01:24pm | 24/02/12

      @marley

      You Noalition wimps are so easily rattled. No wonder you lost the last 2 elections.

    • Stephen T says:

      01:52pm | 24/02/12

      Strangely enough long term I don’t think the one election win and the second negotiated parliment are not going to be of much benefit to Labor.  Rather they will act to th eLabor parites detriment, people have long memories and the longer the circus goes on the longer they will remember.

    • Martin says:

      02:18pm | 24/02/12

      @John. “the Noalition” fair dinkum do you Labor drongos have a brain of your own or do you need to parrot the same bullshit to each other ad infintim. Come up with your own lines otherwise you look like the dill that you are.

      BTW, John of great wisdom (LMFAO) Before Rudd was punted the primary vote for Labor was 35 %.  Abbott saw off Rudd and now Gillard is nearly gone, what would bringing back Rudd achieve other than having you frothing at the mouth playing pocket billiards?

      All I will say is that if Rudd is returned well that is one wrong that needed to be righted, but it will not save the stinking Labor party. I note the quality tactics being used by the Gillard camp, ala threatening to withdraw preselections for those that side with Rudd. Just charming, typical stinking union thug effort if ever there was one.

    • marley says:

      09:53pm | 24/02/12

      @John - the scary thing for you is that I’m not a Noalition wimp.  I’m no one’s wimp.  I’m not a rusted on anything.  In fact, I’ve only been eligible to vote in one election so far, and had a helluva time finding anyone on the ballot who was worth casting a vote for.  I don’t like the politics here, I don’t like any of the parties or their policies, and I am dubious about Abbott.  But I watched Rudd pontificate while blowing a golden opportunity to push this country in another direction, and I have even less faith in him than in either Gillard or Tony. Or even Brown.  And that’s saying something. 

      So, uncomfortable as it may be for you, I’m one of those people who doesn’t fit into your simplistic little boxes.  And I too have a vote.

    • Daniel says:

      12:12pm | 24/02/12

      Mr Rudd you are the people favorite and this is known to the people in the caucus that may vote against you. You include the ordinary Australians to support you which has always been and the Australians will just do that in continuity but we are somehow powerless as this is not our votes. We gave you our votes in 2007 but they stole it for someone else so what more can we do.

    • L. says:

      02:09pm | 24/02/12

      Here dan, let me fix that for you..

      “Mr Rudd you are the people favorite “...No, some people’s favorite.

      “You include the ordinary Australians to support you”...No, some people. Actaully, not even the majority.

      “We gave you our votes in 2007”...No, some of you gave him your vote. ThIn fact, only those in Rudds electrate.

      “but they stole it for someone else so what more can we do. “...No, there is nothing more you can do. Many of us are happy to sit and watch the train wreck.

    • Lord stockton says:

      12:12pm | 24/02/12

      Rudd has 2 aces up his sleeve.

      1 Swann & Gillard made up 50% of the dysfunctional Rudd governmenr that lost its way. Remember the 4 who comprised the ‘kitchen cabinet’ of 2008 & 2009?

      2 If he looses on Monday, he can always quit politics altogether (or at least not be available) when a vote is needed on Tuesday

    • stevem says:

      01:24pm | 24/02/12

      My prediction is that he’ll move to the cross benches. Labor will be forced to negotiate every single piece of legislation with him personally.

    • John L. ex 3rar. says:

      12:36pm | 24/02/12

      Both of these ppl lie, back in 2009 Rudd gave the disability pensioners a rise of 2.7% but directed centrelink not to pass it onto veterans with disabilities. gillard told her cabinet in june 2010 to vote against the fair indexation bill in the senate which would put veterans and widows on par with aged pensions. so they both lie. what say you acorel.

    • Tanya says:

      02:03pm | 24/02/12

      I have been rendered virtually opinionless and disillusioned. We are tax paying citizens who deserve better. So I can only think this way:  Julia Gillard and the ‘faceless’ people destabilised the Labor party in the first instance without giving the public adequate explanation, hence the media saw fit to try to get to the bottom of it.  Four Corners exposed some but not all of the very treacherous method by which Kevin Rudd was removed from office and gave the Prime Minister the right of reply. She continued to be evasive which further consolidated public opinion around the validity of the judgement that led to that event. If the decision to replace Mr Rudd was credible, why are we continuing to hear this pathetic and ongoing reference to ‘faceless people’ and half-arsed explanations about chaos and leadership style at the eleventh hour? Why would Julia Gillard condone personal attacks on a member of cabinet by members of cabinet amidst it all?

      She did not win the election. She won the support of the Greens and Independents that enabled Labor to hold minority government. It’s not working for the simple reason that policy can’t be agreed on and/or upheld. It is the nature of the beast as it stands and it will remain that way until the next federal election. So the only basis on which Julia Gillard or Kevin Rudd should receive the support of the caucus is their ability to restore some level of public respect for the ALP so they can at least sit in opposition as a credible establishment. It is abundantly clear that that can only be Kevin Rudd.

    • Razor says:

      02:32pm | 24/02/12

      Teflon Tony has been the voice behind many attempts to pass anti abortion legislation through the Australian Parliament, rather ironically considering he is frequently cited as an example of the need for more abortions.

    • Ben C says:

      03:02pm | 24/02/12

      @ Razor

      You really have it in for Abbott, don’t you? For any particular reason? Is it a personal grudge, did he offend you personally?

      Does acotrel know that the ALP have employed you to be the chief Abbott headkicker, in place of him?

    • Razor says:

      03:20pm | 24/02/12

      ben@ Abbott is a fraud!—-nothing personal
      Q Please explain how the Libs are going to deliver Tax cuts at he same time as reducing goverment spending and slashing in by getting rid of the carbon Tax.
      A.??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
      Q The Coalition has promised to stop the spending and cut the debt, if it is elected. Will this be done by cutting services to the public, which are already stretched and targeting welfare recipients like the Howard Government did? If your answer is no, how will it be done?
      What do you think?

    • razor says:

      02:40pm | 24/02/12

      This Labor shi t fight must have the Mad Monk pole volting around the place with a full blown woody!
      Abbott———-may look like an idiot and talk like an idiot but don’t let that fool you. He really is an idiot!!!

    • Ros says:

      05:06pm | 24/02/12

      Shouldn’t respond but apart from the tasteless language, what are your achievements that you feel safe labelling a graduate in Law and in Economics plus a Rhode Scholar with a MA from Oxford an idiot.

    • razor says:

      02:44pm | 24/02/12

      Gillard, Rudd or Combet———matters not!
      The fact is when the blue is over and the dust settles.
      Abbott and his crew WIILL STILL BE——desperate, lazy, boring poncy windbags full of pis s and wind!
      They are rhetorical hacks who get by using bluff, bluster and bullshi t!
      This desperate fraudulent trash will say anything, do anything to divert from the fact they are policy mugs of the first order!

    • NigelC says:

      02:53pm | 24/02/12

      Typo alert. 

      The above post should read Gillard and her crew ...

    • razor says:

      02:46pm | 24/02/12

      Considering The Mad Monks belief that Labor’s stimulus package was a waste of money and did nothing to save jobs during the recession, if The Mad Monk was elected (heaven forbid) I would like to hear what he would do if Australia faced another recession?

      How on earth can this lazy, conceited, arrogant, little toadstool be adjudged a better manager of the Economy when he has no policies and offers nothing except——bluff, bluster and bullsh it!
      The Mad Monk and his clowns are mere trash looking for relevancy.

    • razor says:

      02:48pm | 24/02/12

      Labor needs someone who knows how to tell a good news story.
      Rudd had two of them, so good it’s still mind-boggling that he couldn’t get the message across. The mining tax, which had the potential to turn Australia into the Norway of the south, and the fact that Australia stood alone amid the wreckage of the world economy.
      Maybe given a second chance he will sell his achievements

    • Bedrock News says:

      02:49pm | 24/02/12

      Will Barney Rubble (Kevin Rudd ) defeat Wilma Flintstone ( Julia Gillard ) ?
      Who will fight the Jetsons ( Libs) ?

    • Martin says:

      03:24pm | 24/02/12

      @Labor drongo known as Razor. Is it necessary to post 4 different posts one after the other all of which contain no useful commentary, just brainless Labor bluster?  Surely that rubbish could have been compacted into a couple of lines of “Abbott this Abbott that” and be done with it? With supporters such as yourself, it’s little wonder we have these absolute clowns from the ALP providing such a laughable spectacle in Canberra is it?

    • Mouse says:

      06:46pm | 24/02/12

      Martin, he’s a happy little vegemite, isn’t he?  I get the impression he doesn’t like Abbott, do you think? lol :o)

    • DaS Energy says:

      03:51am | 25/02/12

      Kevin Rudd voted for Julia Gillards carbon tax. Backed the liar on that one!  “Kevin Rudd has the advantage of not having introduced a “carbon tax’‘.*

    • Leone Britt says:

      11:57am | 25/02/12

      ‘The idea Kevin Rudd is presenting himself as an election winner after his roll in denying Ms Gillard her victory ....’ Great story Malcolm, but this old sub editor thinks you mean role, not roll

    • Chris says:

      05:25pm | 25/02/12

      Dear Labor Bozos,
      You are a bunch of dopes. When you sacked Kev for being a narcissistic jerk you rewarded him with a really important role that requires diplomacy. He then lied to us saying he was happy being Foreign Minister over and over yet he now is contesting the leadership. He does not care that an unstable government in very uncertain times in the world economy can be disastrous.
      It is obvious Kev only cares about getting one back. An act of retribution that he justifies from believing the polls. Kev thinks he can get in and create so much positive change that the whole party will unite and get on with being good leaders by being destructive. He is acting like a kid by playing silly games. The guy needs to be sacked now and sacked hard. Please be brutal and send him a message that he will finally have to believe. I just wish we could sack you guys on Monday too. You are a bunch of clowns who treat our country like a circus. Have more respect.

    • Philosopher says:

      08:31pm | 25/02/12

      He has serious problem but he is the only one that can face Abbot.

      Gillard has no chance whatsoever.

 

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