Did you swelter? Did you sleep? Has it cooled down yet?

Adelaidians cools off during a 42-degree scorcher… Picture: Naomi Jellicoe

Most of the country nearly melted yesterday, but today is supposed to bring some relief. It’s the weekend. What’s on your mind?

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    • steiner says:

      02:31pm | 06/01/13

      Shame on all those with blood on their hands in the suicide of Dennis Ferguson.  Mass murderers are treated better than the disgraceful lynch mobs this man faced.

      And now I see the ‘Tele is reporting that the police willfully disclosed his address to the media more than once - no doubt knowing the danger this deliberate action posed to his life.  Aren’t the police meant to protect the citizenry?  Have any cops been investigated and prosecuted for this illegal act?
      All details eagerly reported with relish by the News Ltd media.  But no such disclosure of the police corruption that led to the story.  I wonder how many other tip offs the ‘Tele gets from police illegally disclosing information?

      Sure, Ferguson was a wretch but he supposedly paid his price to the community according to that construct of civilized society - the criminal justice system.  But that’s not good enough for some - I see that coffin-wielding sadist Sean Killgallon relieved at the death of a fellow human being.  What a disgraceful reflection on humanity.

    • ramases says:

      12:23pm | 06/01/13

      I noticed another pollie coping it for saying one thing and then doing another but in this case I’m on her side. She said we must holiday here but has taken off to the Maldives with her family for the duration. Good on her. Paid for it herself and who in their right mind would want to holiday in Australia when we are taken for a ride every time.
        Over priced accommodation that is supposedly as 5 star but in the real world would be lucky to get 2 stars. Rude staff that treat you as though you are just another imposition they must put up with to draw a wage, overpriced eateries that think just because they are in a so called tourist destination gives them the right to charge like wounded bulls.
        Go overseas, pay less and get real service where your room is cleaned every day, new linen also every day the bathroom restocked with the necessities everyday and the staff are always ready with a smile to help in any way they can compared to here where you pay too much, have to clean your own room, never have the bed linen changed or the towels or the necessities that make holidaying a pleasant event.
      I’ll be following her overseas for my next holiday after having spent a week in Australia at a supposed 5 star establishment that was to put it mildly a complete disgrace.

    • Shane From Melbourne says:

      11:20am | 06/01/13

      Might be a bit hard to find baby formula. The Chinese have bought most of it and are shipping it to China. Tough luck if you are an Australian mother, but that is life in a turbo charged globalized marketplace

    • Steve says:

      04:49pm | 05/01/13

      Apparently heat makes people crazy! Betcha wish you didn’t ask that question now Tory?

    • Sick Of says:

      03:45pm | 05/01/13

      Whats on my mind? Lets see. Im sick of every warm day or cold day or rainy day being “proof” of climate change, in particular hot days in summer. Im sick of the term Fiscal Cliff. Im sick of people wanting to ban everything they dont like or when some one does somthing stupid with somthing. Im sick of getting taxed to death for working hard and long hours. Im sick of every political party. Im sick of fat people complaining they are fat while inhaling a burger. Im sick of every political controvosity being called sonthing GATE. Im sick of people asking “whats the government going to do about” insert whatever here. Im sick of going to work every day ans sorting out 100 dirty arrogant boat people. WOW, that feels better!

    • David V. says:

      01:57pm | 05/01/13

      Rape is not the only problem in India, illegal immigration is too:

      Now look here, the Indian government IGNORES the feelings of indigenous people in the northeast, when migrants from Bangladesh and other parts of India steal their land, when Islamisation and Christian missionary work becomes a danger to their culture. Imagine the outrage if anyone said this here.

    • Christine says:

      10:44am | 05/01/13

      Christian you really are desperately grasping at straws as you cling to your belief in Swanny.  How many times have you repeated a similar mantra on punch. 
      Last time I looked, Labour is in power and Wayne Swan is Treasurer of Australia and together with MInister Wong in charge of finances, not Hockey. The blame game is boring as are diversion tactics. 

      As for your earlier drawn out tirade, you neglected to include meaningful truth in your interpretation of what was being. Congratulations on winning the prize for misconstruing meaning.

    • vox says:

      03:33pm | 06/01/13

      TimB, who knows very well that I condensed his idol’s lie because I know that every reader, (except Timby of course, he lacks comprehension), is aware of what Abbott actually said. He said that if it wasn’t scripted then he couldn’t guarantee the truth of a statement. He is a liar. And an ill-mannered fool.
      I don’t lie, TimB. I might be wrong now and again, (probably often), but I don’t lie, and I resent your bombastic Abbottisms. You show yourself to be as uncouth as your Party’s dreadful, vindictive temporary Leader.
      If all the ALP has to fear, electorally, are Abbott and folk as ill-informed as yourself then I reckon we are in great shape.
      Now go back to playing with your Leggo.

    • TimB says:

      04:54pm | 05/01/13

      ‘He admits being a liar. “If it ain’t scripted then it’s probably a lie!”’

      He never said that. As usual Vox, it turns out that you’re the real liar.

    • vox says:

      04:24pm | 05/01/13

      You really don’t understand politics, do you Christine. You know, as does every Swan critic and Swan supporter, that predictions, promises, statements, (scripted and unscripted), are always only a “if everything goes according to plan” scenario.
      Hockey stated that he would bring the budget back into surplus in his first term as Treasurer if elected. His boss at the same time was promising tax cuts and huge outlays for the expectant mums. We all know, (well at least those who can add and subtract), that the maternity scheme will not get the go-ahead as Abbott promised. If all of Abbott’s promises were to be kept we would have a deficit, guaranteed. Not that a deficit is a bad thing.
      Now Hockey withdraws his “promise”, as has Swan.
      I would think that Swan would have liked a surplus, even if just to show what a manager he is, but circumstances interfere.
      I personally don’t give a damn whether we have a surplus or not, and the economy should not suffer just to prove Swan right. I do however have an understanding that this Nation is in good condition. That is my main concern.
      I think that the agencies that give Australia a big tick are more of a reliable guide than all of the “I don’t care about Australia, I just want the Libs to be in charge” brigade. Sad really, because we are not generally perceived overseas as being a selfish people, but “The Party comes first” line seems to be the catchcry of the PJ’s, and the TimB’s, and the rest of Abbott’s Rabbit’s while the Nation comes, for them, a distant second.
      Is there anyone out there who honestly believes that Hockey could have steered this Country through the GFC? Hockey?
      One thing in Abbott’s favor, but only to be expected from someone trained to lie. He admits being a liar. “If it ain’t scripted then it’s probably a lie!”
      And you gullible fools have spent the best part of 2013 saying that Swan lies. You are unbelievable!

    • Christian Real says:

      04:06pm | 05/01/13

      You liberal mob wins hands down for misconstruing the truth and meaning, you all have it down to an art form.

    • Christian Real says:

      09:07am | 05/01/13

      Pa_KelvinA day after Swan announced a budget deficit instead of a surplus due to monetary and fiscal changes in overseas Countries, the Coalition announced that it could not promise a budget surplus either.
      “Joe Hockey says opposition can’t promise a Budget surplus either.”, written by Phillip Hudson from the Herald Sun on December 21,2012 @ 11,00PM.
      “The Federal opposition has abandoned its guarantee to deliver a Budget surplus a day after Labor,confessed it could not keep the nation’s finances in the black.”

    • pa_kelvin says:

      02:47pm | 05/01/13

      Christian Real ... Yes I remember reading that somewhere…...everyday this week several times over and over on several different threads, just as much as PJ’s copy and paste pieces… sad really
      Some new material would be nice… ta… smile

    • BrianB says:

      01:11pm | 05/01/13

      Good grief Christian - Do you ever think about anything else except politics?

      There’s a beautiful world out there, go to the beach and have a nice coffee or relax in some other way that appeals to you.

      Give us all a break on a Saturday at least.

    • ZSRenn says:

      11:44am | 05/01/13

      How can Hockey get a surplus next year with the mess he will be left to fix after 4 years of this atrocious government! 

      Of course they had to alter their thinking when they found out the depth of the error by Swann. 

      Get real, Christian Real.

    • Nick says:

      11:39am | 05/01/13

      Thats right Christian ..Labor admits it has no chance of producing a surplus..tell us something we didn’t know.
      It will take years before the Liberals have any hope of fixing the mess that these economic illiterates will have left behind.
      There will obviously need to be some big cuts in the public service just to start with..Has that got you worried?

    • Chris L says:

      11:36am | 05/01/13

      Swann dug himself into a hole with his promises of a surplus, much like Howard did over interest rates. He was trying to pander to people who think the economy should be run like a household budget and it was a foolish idea.

      He should have simply said we’ve survived a global financial crisis and we will work toward strengthening the economy, and just let the haters hate.

      Of course, that’s very easy to say on an anonymous blog from someone who isn’t overly educated on global economics himself, it’s just my opinion.

    • AdamC says:

      11:31am | 05/01/13

      Christian Real, I know I am interacting with a brick wall here, but I cannot understand what on earth your point is. It was always foolish for Julia and Wayne to promise a surplus three years out. It was also dishonest of Swan to keep up the surplus charade for as long as he did. Aside from that, all your comment shows is that Joe Hockey demonstrated an honesty, in refusing to guarantee a surplus, that our Labor government did not.

    • gobsmack says:

      08:42am | 05/01/13

      Yesterday was one of the two or three days each year in Melbourne that air conditioning was needed.  Unfortunately, I don’t have it at home, so I had to keep all the doors and windows shut to keep the indoors of the house from heating up too much.  I miss the overhead fans that are a feature of most houses in the tropics.

    • NotSoSimple says:

      11:59am | 05/01/13

      Two or three days a year? How long have you lived here, gobsmack?  Days over 38C are not uncommon in Summer. And I uess if you’re implying you only require AC at 40C or above we are all supposed to think you’re some sort of tropically-bred super-person?  Please! LOL!

      Melbourne gets hotter than Sydney on a regular basis. Adelaide even hotter, so if this is some sort of dig at Southerners, we breed em tough down here too!

    • AdamC says:

      11:27am | 05/01/13

      I use my air conditioning reasonably frequently over summer. However, you are right that it is an oddity of Melbourne weather that there are usually a handful of extremely hot days each year, interspersed with fairly mild periods. For example, after yesterday’s scorcher, today is quite pleasant.

    • ramases says:

      08:27am | 05/01/13

      Actually the weather here has been quite mild, a nice cool wind, no aircond needed just the ceiling fans. I don’t know what the fuss is all about.
        Nearly every year we have the same thing happening with the occasional heat wave and a high fire danger and then the inevitable fires, some deliberately lit, that devastate homes and lives and in nearly every case we see homes that have been destroyed with the bush right up to their door steps. We live in the bush, a 100 acres, but the closest the bush comes to our house is 500m in each direction, with the added protection of a watering system on the roof that is turned on when a fire is close to make sure that embers collected in the gutters are extinguished straight away. Add to that we have sealed the eaves so that embers cannot enter the structure of the building and we also have our fire pump connected to the dam just in case.
        From what I have observed most homes in bush fire prone areas are not equipped to handle even a moderate fire let alone a fire storm and its either the owners or the local councils fault that these continued disasters keep unfolding. Simple precautions and mandatory clear areas around homes should be enforced even if it means cutting down trees and clearing bush. People, take responsibility for your own homes and do the right thing or suffer the consequences.

    • pa_kelvin says:

      08:19am | 05/01/13

      With Wayne Swan admitting [finally] that there won’t be a surplus this year, doe’s this now mean that the current Labor Government will be forced to run full term???
      If they were to call an early election would this be deemed another broken promise???
      Neither Leader to me is what this Country needs and there should be a change off both before the next election, but who would want to lead Labor to the next election knowing it would be the end of their Political career with the polls showing the Coalition to be the preferred party to lead the Country..
      In my opinion the whole of Parliament should go, and bring in a fresh crop, but I know that could not happen as we need some experience there, but we could get rid of a lot of deadwood from both sides.
      Unfortunately or fortunately, as it stands it will be mainly Labor deadwood going….
      After the last week of tech glitches with posting I’m not sure this will be posted, but will try…
      Interested to hear other Punchers thoughts…

    • pa_kelvin says:

      12:53pm | 06/01/13

      Chris L   “@PaKelvin - Small parties can become bigger players with enough support. This is how even the majors got started. I don’t think we’ll get much change from the big players as long as we accept the status quo”
      Tried responding yesterday, but the gremlins took it….
      The problem is Australia doe’s not have a viable 3rd Political party as an alternative Government.
      Some would say the Greens are an alternative, but they will probably go the way of the Dinosaurs next election [along with 3or 4 independents], and in my view are a spent force in Australian Politics.
      For a viable 3rd political party to have any chance at all it should be existing now, with a Leader, policies and Candidates in 70-80% of seats… This is not the case, and as such we are stuck with the current crop of clowns we refer to as Parliament.
      I have previously posted that independents should not be able to do deals [new hospitals new bit of highway for their electorates] to prop up a hung Parliament, but that we should go back to the polls to get a definitive outcome..
      I guess we will just have to wait until later this year to see how things pan out.

    • Chris L says:

      04:01pm | 05/01/13

      @PaKelvin - Small parties can become bigger players with enough support. This is how even the majors got started. I don’t think we’ll get much change from the big players as long as we accept the status quo.

      @ZSRenn - You seem to have not understood the gist of Opus Mei’s post. He’s not having a go at Abbott, he’s having a go at party tragics who won’t think beyond their unquestioning loyalty….

    • ZSRenn says:

      02:48pm | 05/01/13

      @ Aghast an Opus mei

      You’re just more Abbott bashers!

      With no argument to defend Gillard , this is all Labor supporters are left to work with because of her poor government. 

      Would not all of you be better taking the fight to Gillard and asking her Why!

      Why hasn’t she sacked her treasurer for doing such a poor job?
      Why was her staff member able to start a race riot?
      Why has her employment minister done nothing about long term and underemployed unemployment?
      Why did she break her promise re Carbon Tax?
      Why did she break her promise re pokies reform?
      Why did grocery watch and cash for clunkers not get implemented as promised?
      Why did people die from the Pink Batt mess and why is Garrett still there?
      What happened to the clean coal institute?
      Why did she announce the Timor and Malaysian solutions when they didn’t exist?
      What happened to the citizens assembly on climate change she promised?
      Why did she cross the floor to vote against gay marriage?

      Most importantly though you should be asking her;

      Why she has done her best to destroy a once powerful political force in the nation? Why she has left the party in such disarray?

      The Australian Labor Party is finished because of her and I don’t understand why you are not angry with her for that destruction.

    • pa_kelvin says:

      02:32pm | 05/01/13

      ZSRenn “ pa_kelvin I believe that this “both leaders are bad call” plays into Labor’s hands and used by some as another way to distract away from the real problems caused by the Labor governments since 2007.”  How this plays to favour Labor I can’t see.. In my view both leaders need to go, as neither are true Leaders as compared to some previous leaders from both parties. To me they both have the “it’s my way or no way mentality”, which isn’t in the best interests of the Country…
      Chris L   You seem to be advocating for an alternative Party, but unfortunately there is none there. For example if everyone voted for the Independents, and they then won 30% of the vote, would a new Political Party need to be formed?? Who would be the Leader as they are all meant to be Independents??
      I think any alternative [democrats anyone] Parties need to be already in main-stream politics.
      Generally speaking I run a small business employing 3-4 staff, with Labor Policy I get no tax breaks to grow my business and employ more staff.
      No-one has answered [yeah-no excluded] either of my original questions…
      A new scenario to ponder…. The current Govt’ go full term with Gillard and Abbott still in charge.. Going by most poll’s the Coalition would win by a landslide.
      Who would the new Labor Leader be???
      How long would it be before Abbott is challenged for Leadership, as in Gillard/Rudd?

    • Aghast says:

      11:55am | 05/01/13

      @ opus mei…....cheers…applause….standing ovation…thank you for the refreshing spot in todays list of rusted on negativity..mind you the politics are dodgy but the presentation…. superb

      You list Abbotts handling of the No Carbon Tax and Pokie reform failures as the means why Tony has Labor in trouble…..Absolutely right.. they do contribute to Labors poor polling…But remember Labor presented them to Abbott.He was gifted a means of critising Labor he did not create the means.
      You somehow see them as an example of his leadership qualities..Abbott came to the leaders position on the back of critism that Turnbull did not consult and his autocratic style.
      Within days of gaining office Abbott dropped his $75000 for rich pregnant lady plan….total surprise and no consultation with the party.He explained in an attempt at male macho jovial humour “It is better to seek forgiveness than to ask permission”...NOT FUNNY TONY…That was an example of BULLY BOY leadership.Arrogant overbearing and for the new boy on the block STUPID.That ZSRenn is Abbotts style of leadership.
      Tony Abbott in Honi Soit….
      I think it would be folly to expect that women will ever dominate or even approach equal equal representation in a large number of areas simply because their aptitudes,abilities and interest are different for physiological reasons…...That ZSRenn is Abbotts style of leadership…
      Abbott is in the leadership roll of Liberal Party because he is desperately ambition and therefore easily controlled…Ask Scott Morrison..George Brandis and Eric Abetz the boys of far right who pull Tonys strings. The boys who squeezed out Nick Minchin who was showing too much muscle.
      Abbott is not a Leader he is a puppet…Ask Margie she knows because she has to prop him up in front of cameras because he caves in under media pressure.

    • Chris L says:

      11:30am | 05/01/13

      Full agreeance with you Pa… again. I see most elections as a choice between the devil and the deep blue sea.

      The last few elections I’ve been searching google for parties running in my electorate and checking out their websites. I strongly feel if we stop automatically giving our unquestioning support to the two major parties and start making them work for their jobs we could encourage a more robust and more thoughtful parliament.

      ZSRenn, I don’t see how this approach could play into the hands of either major party. There have been many failures of the current administration, also there have been successes. I expect it would be similar with a Coalition government (as demonstrated by an impartial view of the previous Howard government). On the other hand, encouraging other parties with new ideas and less investment in the status quo would surely, at the very least, make the major players pay attention. This has happened before with the Democrats and I think we need it.

    • acotrel says:

      09:23am | 05/01/13

      There is an undesirable element in parliament which continually undermines process in it’s quest to regain its birthright. It was rejected years ago and is intent on making a comeback through poisonous carping negativity.

    • yeah-no says:

      09:04am | 05/01/13

      There will be no early election.

    • ZSRenn says:

      08:58am | 05/01/13

      pa_kelvin I believe that this “both leaders are bad call” plays into Labor’s hands and used by some as another way to distract away from the real problems caused by the Labor governments since 2007.

      How is it possible that anyone could do a worse job than Gillard has done in the last 4 years? 

      Tony Abbott has had both Labor leaders on the ropes since he became leader and if not for the There will be no carbon tax under a government I lead”  “Pokie Reform” lies and an idiot called Robert would be PM now!.

      if he shows this type of leadership, when he becomes PM, we wont see another Labor government until 2050.

    • Opus mei says:

      08:51am | 05/01/13

      blah blah blah no surplus blah blah blah
      wiped off the map.
      cobra squeeze python strike
      shit happens circumstances change.
      boat people boat people boat people
      under a government I lead.
      blah blah blah uncosted promises.
      budget blowout black holes
      noses in trough wannabee in govt.
      blah blah blah boat people boat people.
      Dr NO speedos i like aboriginals
      margie likes me
      punch a wall filet a fish
      wear a hardhat drive a truck
      I’m one of you no you’re not.
      barren atheist misogynist
      same shit different day

    • Justme says:

      08:15am | 05/01/13

      What’s on my mind? I’m going shopping with my 8 year old and then we’re baking cupcakes. After that I will play games with my 11 year old for a while and have a cup of tea with my hubby.

      We might have a Barbie for lunch and chuck on an old DVD this arvo.

      It’s Saturday, the weather is fine and I refuse to linger on politics, boat people, the economy or anything else miserable.

      The outside world and all of it’s problems can cease to exist for a couple of days..

    • lertoca says:

      07:56am | 05/01/13

      With the inevitable approach to the next ice age,an increase in temperature can only benefit the existence of mankind Into the future…..
      Hurahh for global warming..

    • nam eht tsniaga says:

      01:20pm | 05/01/13

      Hurahh for the pretenders…

      against the man

    • Angela says:

      07:52am | 05/01/13

      Summer is here,embrace it ,utilize it and don’t forget your sunscreen.
      For those who want to make some kind link to their new religion,havn’t you got anything better to do ?

    • Nick says:

      07:45am | 05/01/13

      I bet all those warmists-alarmists are rubbing their hands with glee waiting to exploit the current weather conditions which when I was growing up were a normal part of summer.
      I noticed their silence to the coldest stretch of winter mornings in 47 years down in Canberra not to mention the coldest winter in Britain for a hundred years.

    • Tim says:

      03:57pm | 06/01/13

      You’ve quoted one person who isn’t a climate scientist and attributed his position to all scientists.
      I’m sure you can see the error?

      Just because one person makes a ridiculous claim doesn’t negate the entire field of climate science.

    • TimB says:

      11:42am | 06/01/13

      ‘Or we could simply listen to the scientists..’

      Exactly who is it do you think I’m quoting?

      It seems strange that in one breath you tell me to listen to these scientists, right after telling me that I can’t quote their arguments as typical of their position.

    • Tim says:

      09:02am | 06/01/13

      ‘head alarmist’? Oh dear.

      You could just as easily say its standard denier tactic to point out one ridiculous statement and apply it to all people who believe in climate change. Oh no, I’ve done it too.

      Or we could simply listen to the scientists who are nearly all saying that climate change is real and caused by humans. Then we wouldn’t even have to listen to people bitch about single weather events?

      Nah, then the deniers would actually have to listen to the science and do something and we can’t have that.

    • yeah-no says:

      04:54pm | 05/01/13

      The only mention I’ve seen linking this heatwave to climate change so far is from climate change deniers attacking others for something they haven’t said (as above).

    • TimB says:

      04:53pm | 05/01/13

      Oh dear iansand. You should know by now that I never make stuff up.

      ‘This is not a climate model or a prediction but actual observations of weather events and temperatures that have happened. Our analysis shows that it is no longer enough to say that global warming will increase the likelihood of extreme weather and to repeat the caveat that no individual weather event can be directly linked to climate change. To the contrary, our analysis shows that, for the extreme hot weather of the recent past, there is virtually no explanation other than climate change.’


      James Hansen, Head alarmist, blaming all the hot weather on climate change. Specifically stating that he’s dropping the ‘individual instances of weather isn’t climate’ spiel.

      Standard alarmist tactic. It’s proof of climate change when it’s hot, but it’s merely weather when it’s cold. And here I was thinking scientists were supposed to be consistent with their logic. Oh well.

    • iansand says:

      04:37pm | 05/01/13

      Nick - Why 1850?  It is a year in the middle of the 19th century, about the time when we got into the swing of burning fossil fuels.  It is also about the time that scientists got a good handle on quantitative analysis of the composition of the atmosphere and around the time that the effect of CO2 in the atmosphere began to be understood.

      On the other hand your “hasn’t warmed in 10 years shit is almost based on a Daily Mail article that misrepresented Met Office research, and is probably based on the selection of 1997 which anyone with half an open mind can see is an anomaly.

      There is one side of the argument cherry picking results, and it would be yours.

      Have you actually gone looking for a graph of temperature from about 1850, or are you afraid you will discover what an idiot you are?  Here are some, but I suppose NASA is part of the conspiracy http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/

    • iansand says:

      03:42pm | 05/01/13

      TimB - Where?  Now you are just making stuff up.

    • Max Power says:

      02:41pm | 05/01/13

      Believing the climate change models is like going to the races, reading the form guide and betting on every horse, then saying, look I won, with the margin being the only variable..
      The climate change models cover all climate change possibilities, so that the outcome is always predicted,  with only the severity in question.

    • TimB says:

      11:59am | 05/01/13

      ‘Why would rational people do that?  Anyone who has any sense looks at trends, not isolated events.’

      Ahhh. So THATS why we keep seeing alarmist people pointing to hot days and crowing about global warming.

      I appreciate you informing us that these people don’t have any sense, but then I already knew that.

    • Nick says:

      10:33am | 05/01/13

      @shane. Extreme weather events have always been with us.                  @acotrel coldest winter in a hundred years for Britain not including the previous ice age. Perhaps we could ask the hand picked funded ipcc scientists who admittingly skew data .                                            @iansand. Why 1850?  Is that the convenient year? By the way the planet hasn’t warmed in ten years yet we have been pumping shit loads of carbon into the atmosphere in that time. Your explanation?

    • iansand says:

      09:30am | 05/01/13

      Why would rational people do that?  Anyone who has any sense looks at trends, not isolated events.

      Have you looked at the trends since 1850 recently?  Do you have any explanation for that?

    • acotrel says:

      09:18am | 05/01/13

      Hottest day in Hobart for 130 years - how long have records been kept ? Perhaps we should ask Andrew Bolt, he would know ?

    • Shane From Melbourne says:

      09:15am | 05/01/13

      Obviously you misunderstand the climate change model- extreme weather, hot or cold, droughts or flooding are part of the model which predicts that there should be more extreme weather events.

    • yeah-no says:

      09:02am | 05/01/13

      ‘when I was growing up’. It’s not clear that you have.

    • Marble Bar Resident says:

      06:32am | 05/01/13

      You can see the Greens sitting in their air conditioned offices and homes,tut tutting about the weather and how they can exploit the dull and marginalised

    • Joan says:

      10:22am | 05/01/13

      42C in Hobart yesterday and Bob Brown /Gillards Carbon Tax on everything has not cooled Australia or Australians but just ripped tax dollars off Australians . Gillard Carbon tax - scorched earth policy just another demonstrated policy failure - billions of dollars spent /wasted   and nothing but record high temperatures throughout country.

    • ZSRenn says:

      08:47am | 05/01/13


      Starting a race riot, division of the sexes or causing segregation of the people based on wealth.  Now that is very hate filled don’t you agree.

      Oh wait…............ that was Labor!

      Sorry but I did try to agree with you!

    • tez says:

      08:11am | 05/01/13

      More like the LNP exploit the scared and hate filled .

    • TChong says:

      07:58am | 05/01/13

      :Marble Bar
      Yes, “Greens “are probaly in air con homes and offices, just like many of those who claim street cred ,  based on their addresses. eg Kalgoolie, Marble Bar etc will be in air con homes or offices.
      So what?
      What are trying to say?

    • acotrel says:

      05:47am | 05/01/13

      I noticed this comment yesterday.  There is a lot of truth in it :
      Liam says:09:23am | 04/01/13

      hank - are you really Wayne Swan in disguise? This is his line he’s been trying to push. Coalition = Tea Party. Get it out there Swanny
      Most voters in Australia wouldn’t even know what the Tea Party was.
      Childish comment.

      BUT TRUE !

    • andye says:

      09:38am | 06/01/13

      @stephen - The Tea Party is a whole bunch of special interest groups with wildly conflicting demands, most of whom represent parts of society that used to be privileged. They place themselves in opposition to a vague socialist threat even as they support socialist policy that helps them. They are dinosaurs.

    • stephen says:

      09:53am | 05/01/13

      What is the Tea Party, acotrel ?

    • ZSRenn says:

      08:41am | 05/01/13

      Great idea Tez!

      Have a political system like Chile, where the incumbent leader can only do 1 term. Then Gillard and all of her failed policies,  from pink batts to failure to deliver surplus,  which have put the Australian economy in danger over the last term could not be re elected.

      You call it talking down confidence. I call it getting rid of the worst government in Australian History!

    • tez says:

      08:21am | 05/01/13

      More people need to know what ultra conservative right wingers are capable of statring with Chile. The way the coalition is scaring, talking down the Australian public and business confidence they are looking more uitra conservitive by the moment. Re# Sophie yesterday.

    • ZSRenn says:

      07:53am | 05/01/13

      Well Swanny would know! He visits the USA every year to get tips before he lays down his (sic) budget. That being said, maybe he wont be happy until he can match the US deficit and make his masters proud!

    • acotrel says:

      05:14am | 05/01/13

      Don’t tell me - tell Andrew Bolt and Tony Hairybot.

    • Chris L says:

      10:15am | 05/01/13

      I used to enjoy your contributions Acotrel, and I understand if you’re emulating the conservative zombies in an attempt to balance things, or if you simply took so much abuse here that you don’t care anymore. There are, however, some people such as myself who would rather read the kind of contributions you used to make where you had some range and variety. Give the poor horse and the whip a break.

    • Horthy says:

      08:11am | 05/01/13

      Was really hoping you’d grow up this year

    • PJ says:

      05:04am | 05/01/13

      The CFMEU is calling for overseas temporary 457 visa workers to be made redundant first instead of Australian citizen and resident workers.

      There is an article in The Australian today.

      This follows a Monash University report that showed the Gillard Government mass immigration policy, which in part uses temporary visas, has meant 53.6% of the 1 million jobs created over the last 5 years had gone to cheaper imported temporary workers.

      A number of agencies specialise in providing 457 workers for Australian domestic jobs, citing business cases that show their model is far cheaper than domestic hires. These Agencies offer an ‘end to end’ service in the supply of workers and googling ‘Agencies 457 workers’ may provide a list of the main players.

      It also seems that Australian domestic jobs are simultaneously advertised in foreign job boards, even though the Gillard Government vehemently denies Australian resources are not losing out in the job market.

      The prize for this cheap labour force is residency in an ever overcrowding Australia. The Government also allows temporary visa holders to purchase property, which artificially raises house prices, rents and creates a housing shortage that stresses valuable farmland.

      In light of the above it seems the Gillard Government claim, ‘to be for ordinary Australians’, is not the case. Because it is the youth and lower income bracket worker that is suffering the most under Gillard Government policy here.

      You’ll never know the truth of it under a Government they lead ...

    • TimB says:

      04:57pm | 05/01/13

      ‘Then argue the points I make and answer the question .’


      Christian, explain Gillard’s Citizen’s Assembly policy. Because THAT is what she took to the 2010 election.

    • ZSRenn says:

      04:47pm | 05/01/13

      @  Christian Real Then argue the points I make and answer the question .  Why are you attacking Tony Abbott when it is obviously Julia Gillard and Wayne Swann are to blame for the poor shape of today’s Labor Party?

    • Christian Real says:

      04:28pm | 05/01/13

      Kevin Rudd had the chance to stand up and contest the leadership but he did not choose to, he stood aside and did not contest the Leadership.
      I know Kevin Rudd, I have talked with him on numerous occassions and I was sorry to see him lose the Prime Ministership.
      But hey these things happen, just in the same way after a Leadership spill Tony Abbott wrestled the Leadership away from Malcolm Turnbull.,
      And Julia Gillard promised to legislate A Carbon Price(Not A Carbon Tax) like you Liberal mob continue to whine on about.

    • Christian Real says:

      03:58pm | 05/01/13

      Tim B
      The only garbage sunshine is coming from you and your liberal mates in thes blogs

    • Christian Real says:

      03:54pm | 05/01/13

      I do not have to concoct lies lies you right wing conservates continue to do, it is obvious that you and others like you cannot accept the truth.

    • expat says:

      03:08pm | 05/01/13

      Labour is a globalised market PJ whether people like it or not.

      The CFMEU is petrified because despite the 457 visa holders getting the same money as the Australian, the 457 visa holder works far harder. Can’t have increasing productivity!

    • Gemma says:

      03:01pm | 05/01/13

      @AdamC Migrant workers on 457 do take our entry level jobs from our young graduates. I worked for one company (a large multinational company) where we employed several 457 students from the UK as gradaute geologsits, when I know of a large number of graduate geologists who can not find work. The simple reason is they know that they can send them to work under poor conditions and that they will HAVE to stay or face being deported. The company I now work for (an even bigger multinational company) has a program where they specifically target students from a (much poorer) country to come join their graduate program….I am all for giving students from other nations a chance to move to Australia, but not at a time like this when geologists and other mining graduates are struggling to find a job!!

    • Gemma says:

      03:01pm | 05/01/13

      @AdamC Migrant workers on 457 do take our entry level jobs from our young graduates. I worked for one company (a large multinational company) where we employed several 457 students from the UK as gradaute geologsits, when I know of a large number of graduate geologists who can not find work. The simple reason is they know that they can send them to work under poor conditions and that they will HAVE to stay or face being deported. The company I now work for (an even bigger multinational company) has a program where they specifically target students from a (much poorer) country to come join their graduate program….I am all for giving students from other nations a chance to move to Australia, but not at a time like this when geologists and other mining graduates are struggling to find a job!!

    • Meh says:

      12:15pm | 05/01/13


      Yawn. See you on Monday.

    • TimB says:

      11:57am | 05/01/13

      ‘I go to the coming election saying we are going to reform the tax system…”’

      Yes. He took his policy to an election. Unlike Gillard.

      And beofore you start quoting garbage out of context articles again, please explain Gillard’s well documented Citizen’s Assembley policy.

      The very existence of that policy contradicts every single argument that the Left has been trying to push about Gillards lie since the 2010 election.

    • ZSRenn says:

      11:38am | 05/01/13

      @ Christian Real

      How sad! When all you have left is to tell lies and Abbott bash to try and keep Giggles Gillard in power.

      Keep going though mate,  as every time another Australian discovers your bull they feel like they have been patronised they don’t like it! Another LNP voter joins the ranks.

      Remember Australians do not like to treated like fools and 99.9%  of your posts treat Australians like we are.

      When asked to debate the real failures of the Gillard government you run like a scared kitten. From Pink Batts to failure to deliver the Surplus promised. You have no answer!

      So Lies and Abbott bashing are all you have left, and as I said before,  how sad for this once powerful party to be lowered to such depths by the failures of this the worst government in Australian history.

    • AdamC says:

      11:20am | 05/01/13

      What a load of rubbish, PJ. Our bipartisan skilled migration program is one of this nation’s great policy achievements. Almost since Australia was founded as a penal colony, we have been encouraging immigrants to come here to develop and grow this bountiful continent of ours. As such, I suspect a significant proportion of new jobs have been going to immigrants for most of Australia’s history.

      In fact, the purpose of the 457 program is to allow temporary skilled migration. So it actually a bit of a sop to nativists like you who would like to slam the door on new arrivals, while still acknowledging the need to plug skills shortages. Of course, 457 visa-holders often decide to settle in Australia because, despite our myriad home-grown whingers, Australia is a pretty remarkable place to live. And why shouldn’t we naturalise these people? After all, as Julia has said, Australia needs the ‘right kind of immigrants’ to build on our national progress and achievements.

      Aside from Israel, migration is about the only Gillard policy I can agree with.

      I am so sick of people like Doug ‘Dinosaur’ Cameron, who rails against ‘foreign’ workers in that distinctly heavy Northern England accent of his. Clearly, Dougie was one of these dirty foreigners at some stage. The same can be said of almost all of us or, at least, our ancestors, most of whom came as free settlers rather than convicts.

      Your worry about migrant workers taking entry-level jobs at the expense of our kids is really more of a problem with the student visa system, rather than the 457 one. We do have to be careful that we do not go down the American path of importing masses of unskilled labour, who suppress wages unreasonably and encourage deeper economic inequality in society. (Having said that, a guest worker program for domestics, like the one they have in Singapore, would be a great idea.)

      In summary, I think you will find Tony Abbott will run basically the same migration program as Labor, because that is what is in the national interest.

    • Joan says:

      10:37am | 05/01/13

      Christian Real - nothing beats the overnight knifing of Rudd by Gillard -  his spectre still haunts Labor today as he spooks the world with his personal version of Australian Foreign policy -  travelling to China lecturing on Japanese relations etc etc. and the unelected Carr doing his own version of foreign affairs - two loose canons firing their mouths off around the world. And lets not forget the most famous lie of all- Gillard - no carbon tax lie-.  Gillard has slugged big Carbon Tax on everything and yet th temperatures soar to extraordinary heights around Australia. Another costly policy failure built on a lie.

    • Christian Real says:

      08:58am | 05/01/13

      And you never know the truth under a coalition Tony Abbott leads.
      Kerry O’brien brought out the real Abbott in the same way that Mark Riley exposed Abbott with his ‘Shit Happens” comment
      Extracts from Kerry O’Briens 7.30 Report interview with Tony Abbott:
      Tony Abbott: “The statements that need to be taken absolutely as gospel truth are those carefully prepared scripted remarks.”
      “Mr Abbott said in a radio interview in February that the Coalition would not increase tax and in March announced a tax on big business to pay for a parental leave scheme,”
      Extracts from The Australian news story: :Tony Abbott signs contract on work choices but muddles message on workplace laws.”,written by Patricia Karvelas,July 2010 @ 10.34AM.
      “Tony Abbott has signed a “contract” promising that work choices is dead and buried but he continues to muddle his message on the controversial laws.”
      “Give me a bit of paper, i’ll sigtn it here,” Mr abbott said to 3AW host Neil Mitchell as he tried to end questions about John Howard’s divisive workplace laws.”
      “But pressed again by Mitchell,Mr Abbott said “I can’t give an absolute guarantee about every single aspect of workplace relations.”
      “Obviously I cant say that there will never ever ever for 100 or 1000 years time be any change to any aspect of industrial legislation.But the Fair Work Act will not be amended in the next term of government if we are in power.
      “But let’s I mean.Work Choices. its dead,it’s buried,it’s cremated forever. But obviously I can’t give an absolute guarantee about every single aspect of workplace relations legislation.But Work Choices is gone now and forever.”
      Abbott has learnt well of his Master John Howard as the familiar line of ‘Never ever” creeps into his interview statements.

      From The Sydney Morning Herald”, extracts from this story: “Let’s have the honest truth,once and for all.”, written by Alan Ramsey on August 18, 2004.
      In May 1995,eight months before the general election in March 1996 that made him Prime Minister,what John howard lied about was his commitment to a goods and services tax(GST).That was his infamous “never ever” pledge How it happened,and how Howard ignored his pledge once he’d become prime minister.is open and shut.At a Sydney bankers’  lunch where he spoke about the Keating government’s coming budget later that month,Howard referred briefly to John Hewson’s losing GST policy in the 1993 election and “how nothing remotely resembling it” would be Coalition policy in the 1996 campaign.”
      “But when a busissman asked why,if a GST was so economically sound,Howard wouldn’t again support it,he gave a long answer which included in par: t”...We would occassionally like to win,you know.The fact is the last election was a referendum on the GST>There is no way we can have it as part of our policy for the next election.As to what happens some years in the future,I don’t know.But the GST cause was lost at the last election…”
      “Every news outlet ignored it except The Australian. It ran a single-column story on its front page next morning,saying Howard had “left open the possibility of the Coalition reconsidering a GST some years in the future.” howard panicked. He’d told the truth in answering the busissman’s question. Now he felt he had to lie if he wasn’t to sabotage,after 22 years in politics,his first opportunity to become prime minister.”
      “He issued a four-sentenced statement saying, “suggestions I have left open the possibility of a GST are completely wrong. A GST or anything resembling it is no longer Coalition policy. Nor will it be policy at anytime in the future. It is completely off the political agenda in Australia,” Later that day.confronted by a clamouring press pack,he compounded the lie.Asked if he’d “left the door open for a GST”, Howard said: “No. there’s no way a GST will ever be part of our policy.”
      Q: “Never ever?” Howard: “Never ever. It’s dead. It was killed by voters at the last election.”
      “Nothing equivocal about that. But 27 months later, in Aust 1997,less than 18 months after becoming Prime Minister, Howard told the truth by telling more lies. He announced a “great adventure” in tax reform he wanted to share with the Australian people.”
      Six months later,we learned the heart and soul of this “adventure” was to be the introduction of a GST. and how did Howard rationalise his “never ever” pledge? He didn’t. He simply lied again. Howard told Parliament in April 1998: “I went to the 1996 election saying there would not be a GST in our first term. I go to the coming election saying we are going to reform the tax system…”

    • Joan says:

      08:58am | 05/01/13

      What about Gillard`s own   McTernan working for Gillard on   457 visa - is that cheap labour? What do unions have to say about that posting.? I reckon there are 101 spin Doctors of Australian origin would fill the post with 101 times better ideas about what makes Australians tick than McTernan - and what a great flop 2012 Labor spin been - no cover for Labor bad policy outcomes .

    • ZSRenn says:

      07:48am | 05/01/13

      PJ don’t worry too much about overcrowding. Most of the people who come to earn the Hallowed Aussie dollar will take their hard earned cash back to their point of origin, where it is worth up to 10 times as much and live the high life there. Australia is just to damned expensive!

    • Dr B S Goh, Australian in Asia says:

      04:47am | 05/01/13

      Australia still does not understand the boatpeople problem which it faces. The people who are ultimately responsible for this problem are the bleeding hearts and politically correct brigades in Australia. The key to solve this problem is in the statement by the former Minister of Immigration, Amanda Vanstone. She wrote that you need to be cruel to some in order to be kind to all.

      There are many boatpeople problems in other countries and Australia needs to follow the USA policy on boatpeople which has been proven to be effective since 1996. All boatpeople are returned. There was a recent example of this reported at, http://edition.cnn.com/2012/12/28/world/americas/cuba-migrants-interdicted/index.html?hpt=hp_t3

    • yeah-no says:

      03:11pm | 06/01/13

      @Mouse - it is NOT illegal to enter Australia and claim asylum. How many times does that have to be stated to those who throw the word ‘illegal’ around? Obviously, if an asylum claim is not accepted after due process, the claimant may no longer legally remain in Australia.

    • yeah-no says:

      02:55pm | 06/01/13

      Using the term ‘non-white migrant’ is not offensive. The colour of a person’s skin is of no interest to me. But it is still an issue to many racist and xenophobic people, the very same people you say we should pander to in our immigration and asylum seeker policies. I’m trying to find a forthright way to tell you that such people should not be pandered to, but you choose to take offence instead. That’s just a poor debating tactic.

    • Mouse says:

      12:22pm | 06/01/13

      Another point LucBelrose, as marley said, the Mexicans are not asylum seekers but the Cubans are, and the boats they come in are turned around and sent back to Cuba.  This is the American way and there is no ifs and no buts about it. They make no apologies or excuses.  Them’s the rules and they will turn the boats around.  Seems to work for the Americans, maybe because the Cubans know they mean it.

      @yeah-no, Dr Goh’s argument is not about asylum seekers per se, it is about the illegal entry that some use.  Asylum seekers that come by air are not entering Australia illegally, but you knew that didn’t you.  Turning around and saying that they lied on their entry papers doesn’t change the fact that the Australian authorities know who they are and where they came from. Stating that asylum seekers that come by boat “didn’t lie to Australian officials” does not make their arrival un-illegal!  Not liking or wanting boat people coming to Australia illegally, in other words without the appropriate documentation,  is not xenophobic. It is the way of entry that is being protested, not the person’s race or religion.  It seems that this little word is a favourite to throw at people when they don’t agree with what you do. A bit like the misogynist label really.  Pity some people can’t express their views without resorting to name calling, especially silly when the names being called aren’t really applicable to the accusation.  Oh well, always good for a giggle!  lol :o)

    • OverIt says:

      10:43am | 06/01/13

      @Phil, what you suggest is too sensible, practical and cost-effective for any government to consider!!

    • Dr B S Goh, Australian in Asia says:

      10:02am | 06/01/13

      @ yeah-no. Many of us are here to share views and do our little for Australia. I am greatly offended by personal attacks like yours when you wrote, “there would be no non-white migrants, including you. ” Such personal remarks should not be part of any rational debate.

    • Dr B S Goh, Australian in Asia says:

      09:58am | 06/01/13

      @ Phil, You are perfectly right. What you wrote can provide a way to solve this problem of boatpeople for Australia.

      Australia declares that no boatpeople will ever be accepted into Australia. This has been done by our big brother USA under its wet feet dry feet policy effective sin 1996. Link to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wet_feet,_dry_feet_policy

      Boatpeople crashing into Australia should be given two choices. Go home or to a UNHRC camp, where ever it is convenient.

    • Phil says:

      09:19am | 06/01/13

      Can someone tell me why ‘Boat People’ who in my mind are understandably are trying to bypass the ‘world que’, cannot be transported immediately to the nearest/most appropriate UNHCR accredited refugee camp, for processing, while Australia loads up with the same number of long term camp residents who have been deemed legitimate refugees under the convention??

      There would be no benefit to jumping on a rickety old boat effectively ruining the people smuggling business model, processing in Australia wouldn’t be required and our refugee intake quotas would be fulfilled….

      Anyone able to comment??

    • OverIt says:

      08:59am | 06/01/13

      @yeahno, the number of asylum seekers arriving by air who are granted asylum is much smaller than the success rate of those arriving by boat.  Maybe because their identify has already been established prior to arriving in Australia, so their claims can actually be checked. Hence the reason so many asylum seekers are currently paying people smugglers $10k+ and destroying the ID they used to get through several countries prior to departing Indonesia, rather than paying just a few hundred dollars for a flight - their odds of success obviously increase if they are able to tell a story that cannot be confirmed.

    • yeah-no says:

      04:51pm | 05/01/13

      Dr BS Gosh - the difference you claim is minimal. Air arrivals have come under false pretences with visitors visas. If the screening you mention was good, they wouldn’t get a visa. The sea arrivals have not lied to Australian officials before arrival. And your claim that asylum seekers should be opposed because it makes xenophobes dislike migrants is both a circular argument and a nonsense. If that were a consideration, there would be no non-white migrants, including you.

    • marley says:

      02:15pm | 05/01/13

      @LucBelrose - the Mexican illegals are just that - illegal immigrants, not asylum seekers.  They’re the equivalent of our overstayers.  They go underground, work under the radar, and it’s hell’s own job to find them.  The Americans do find and ship plenty of them home, but that’s a big land border they’re trying to patrol.  We have a much smaller problem with overstayers than the Americans do, and, as is the case there, they simply work illegally.  They’re not trying to get benefits or legal status.  The asylum seekers are a different kettle of fish.

    • Dr B S Goh, Australian in Asia says:

      01:39pm | 05/01/13

      @ yeah-no. The people who come as asylum seekers by air are quite different qualitatively. Firstly they have ID papers and our embassies overseas have screened them. Also the airlines have screened them.

      Most importantly from my perspective the asylum seekers by air will not pose the strategic threat to Australia. If there is chaos and wars in Asia due to theinevitable critical food crisis Australia will not be conquered by a tsunami of refugees by air.

      By sea if we do not destroy the popular and entrenched belief in Asia that Australia welcomes boatpeople Australia will be destroyed as a nation when the critical food crisis breaks out in Asia.

      I recommend you to watch the new movie, Back to 1942.  Then 3m people died in central China. The important lessons are firstly the way people degenerated into wild animals including cannibalism. A very sad scene was the army at the border of Shaanxi with Henan. The famine was in Henan with 30m population. The army stopped a train with thousands of refugees and killed many of them. Reason? Shaanxi by then already had millions of these refugees and could not take any more.

    • Luc Belrose says:

      12:49pm | 05/01/13

      What about the Mexican illegals that used to cross the US border by the thousands under President Bush and possibly under the present Obama administration. Why return the boat people back home in Australia and over there in the US apparently allow the illegal Mexicans to stay! Could it be that these unfortunate people were allowed in to work in jobs not usually wanted by the locals or for lower wages. Can you please Dr Goh clarify this situation for The Punch readers. I am against people coming here illegally.

    • Dr B S Goh, Australian in Asia says:

      10:44am | 05/01/13

      Xenophobia is not an issue at all in issue of boatpeople. The Hon Bowen has stated that the majority of new migrants in his constituency are against the boatpeople. Why?  Because they create anti migrant feelings in the larger community and also compete with them to bring in family members under our migration program.

      For me I keep on this issue because of my professional work as a scientist with focus on environmental problems.I am a supporter of Paul Ehrlich of Stanford University and author of Population Bomb.

      To me the greatest threat to the survival of Australia is the looming food crisis in Asia before 2050 with the threat of a tsunami of millions of boatpeople which will largely caused by the failure of the present generation of political leaders who are unable and unwilling to destroy NOW the popular belief in Asia that Australia welcomes boatpeople.

    • marley says:

      10:21am | 05/01/13

      @yeah-no - actually, the numbers of asylum seekers who arrive by air and by sea these days are very similar.

    • yeah-no says:

      09:00am | 05/01/13

      Neither side of politics will return asylum seekers without the due process of hearing their claims. Forget ‘bleeding hearts’, it’s reality. And while your xenophobia has you concentrating on ‘boat people’, most asylum seekers arrive by air.


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