It was a big week. Weeks involving fierce debate over gay marriage and multiculturalism often are. In response to the riots at the weekend, Penbo reflected on the positive side of Australia possessing such a laid-back culture. Dan Piotrowski told another story about relaxation, breaking bread with Muslims at a Ramadan dinner last month.


Stephen Jones, the MP behind the gay marriage bill, painted the bill going down as just a setback. In federal politics, Cory Bernardi experienced a major setback of his own - Abbott dramatically dumping him as his assistant press secretary. Our Tory Shepherd trained her sights on his creepy comments.

Finals fever revved up. We wondered when society can say not to have a baby. And to a matter of great importance, The Punch Team unequivocally said no, no, no, no and no. And no.

It’s the weekend. What’s on your mind?

Comments on this post close at 8pm Sunday AEST.

Most commented

60 comments

Show oldest | newest first

    • acotrel says:

      06:56am | 22/09/12

      I was just reading t he posts on the topic about the riots involving muslims.  It appears that common sense will prevail over phobia and prejudice.

    • Ben says:

      09:16am | 22/09/12

      Yes siree, as you can tell with the following, it sure does look like - in acotrel’s words - that “common sense will prevail over phobia and prejudice”:

      *********************************

      Crowds set two cinemas ablaze and ransacked shops in the northwestern city of Peshawar, clashing with riot police who fired tear gas. At least five people were killed.

      In Mardan in the northwest, police said a Christian church was set on fire and several people hurt. Mohammed Tariq Khan, a protester in Islamabad, said: “Our demand is that whoever has blasphemed against our holy Prophet should be handed over to us so we can cut him up into tiny pieces in front of the entire nation.”

      http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/21/us-protests-idUSBRE88J0VU20120921

    • Ellis says:

      09:25am | 22/09/12

      I read the same thong and was aghast at how easily Western people where ready to trash their own culture and apologise to barbarism.

      It is only own our cultiure, religion, laws, values and life that is under threat. Nothing important at all.

      For all the soft diplomacy of that pretender int he White House let us review the score.

      A planned military exercise that spanned two countires, Egypt and Libya, managed to have one Embassy stormed and the flag and a terrorist organisation flown over it. The same Embassy thought that it was clear to tweet apologies as it was being overrun.

      In Libya a “spontaneous” mob “spontaneously” attacked a diplomatic mission with mortars, heavy machines guns, grenades and RPG’s, which we all know spontaneous mobs have ready to hand. The presence of the American Ambassador there was supposed to be secret. Yet this spontaneous and militarized mob just happened, on 9/11 which is another coincidence of course, to get lucky.

      What followed? Well after fleeing to a secret safe house the spontaneous mob, armed with those spontaneous weapons, just happened to be there as well. Now as spontaneous mobs are wont to do they utilized military tactics and stormed the safe house. The helpful mob then, being helpful of course, dragged the Ambassdors body through the streets taking pictures of the corpse on their phones. As we all know spontaneous mobs on 9/11 o these things to Ambassadors corpses. Nothing strange here.

      Libya has confirmed all this. Nothing to do with the trailer for the movie.

      And yet people still believe somehow this was “our” fault and the West should compromise.

      My God.

      America is in steep decline. Obama has lost control of Middle-Eastern policy to the point his Ambassaodrs are murdered by Islamic hit squads. and we sit here and try to accommodate Islam? It is insane and hubris. It is morally wrong to the western tradition.

      IF Obama wins a second term this will get worse. America is broke. So broke that there is not enough money on the planet to save it. On the planet. And our Treasurer, god bless his heart, wants them to spend more. This crazy doubling down of Keynsian debt policy will be a disaster of course but bugalugs is too stupid to realise that having spent everything he had in kitty in 1 year.

      Before every great power falls the money runs out. France - broke and gone. Spain - broke and gone. Britain - broke and gone. The US is now broke. What will follow is it being gone as the global power. To fill that void their is the Islamic state not held by borders or China. Unfortunately China economic woes will become apparent soon enough - why people continually believe economic statistics reported to them by the Chinese government is beyond me but whatever, and this apart form their demographic challenges.

      So be happy you can sing nice songs and “feel” all progressive. Will not last long. I will be dead. Which is just as well. this will be messy in 5 years.

    • nihonin says:

      09:28am | 22/09/12

      Yes it will acotrel, calm heads will prevail, as long as the apologists work with them and not continuously defend those people who want to not be a part of our Australian culture of a ‘fair go’ for everyone and the right to the benefits of society based of the freedom of the individual.

    • Bev says:

      12:20pm | 22/09/12

      Will it?  Graham Richardson’s article is spot on.
      http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/columnists/
      hard-to-put-this-genie-back-in-the-bottle/story-fnfenwor-1226478403500

      Hard to put this genie back in the bottle
      by: Graham Richardson From: The Australian
      September 21, 2012 12:00AM 82 comments  

      LAST Saturday’s riots in the Sydney CBD were the
      inevitable conclusion of too many years of political
      correctness, timidity and an overdeveloped tendency
      to turn a blind eye.

      He goes on to say turning a blind eye to Lebonese youth crime and the rest of the mess festering in Sydney’s western suburbs has allowed the situation to get out of hand. Appeasementnever works as Chamberline
      discovered in 1939, Europe in the recent past and Obarma now.  You can add us to that list it seems.

    • Curious Mick says:

      03:49pm | 22/09/12

      Ellis says - “So broke that there is not enough money on the planet to save it”

      I’m curious Ellis…so what will Mitt Romney do?

      Don’t get me wrong, I couldn’t care less if the USA was wiped off the face of our planet tomorrow, I’m just keen to know how Mitt can save a nation that is beyond help.

    • stephen says:

      04:02pm | 22/09/12

      Hey Alcho forget Muslims for a moment ; today I saw in a bookshop front window ‘The Art of Motorcycle Racing’ ... a coffeetable reference book that looks mighty fine and expensive ... published by Universe.
      (The book has beautiful photographs of old bikes and new, and by a French Photographer, too ... but we’ll ignore that.)

    • acotrel says:

      07:11am | 23/09/12

      It is not about appeasement or compromise. It is about not pushing the pendulum.  We live right next door to the country with the biggest Muslim population on the planet, and what we do doesn’t go unnoticed.  Why make problems for ourselves?  Australia is not under threat of becoming Islamic.  A lot of that stuff is very inconsistent with our values.  The simple fact is that Islamic ideology will not survive for long in our democratic environment. I have a close friend who is a Muslim.  He is currently back in Iran trying to look after his mother while it all goes pear shaped.  I’ve met a few in our Iranian local community.  I am not comfortable with the way their women always stay one step back in group discussions - but that is just me.  Generally they are great people, and the ones that are here , are here for very good reasons. They certainly don’t want to import what they’ve escaped from.

    • Gregg says:

      09:38am | 23/09/12

      @acotrel
      ” I am not comfortable with the way their women always stay one step back in group discussions - but that is just me.  Generally they are great people, and the ones that are here , are here for very good reasons. They certainly don’t want to import what they’ve escaped from. “
      Great people some may be but you could re-read what you have posted to get an idea of what is being imported!

      ” It is not about appeasement or compromise. It is about not pushing the pendulum.  We live right next door to the country with the biggest Muslim population on the planet, and what we do doesn’t go unnoticed.  Why make problems for ourselves?  Australia is not under threat of becoming Islamic.  A lot of that stuff is very inconsistent with our values.  The simple fact is that Islamic ideology will not survive for long in our democratic environment. “

      You may also want to read some of that again too to consider what potential there is for future generations long past when you and I are in the ground.

    • Macca says:

      07:02am | 22/09/12

      Congrats to Chris Paine on last night’s award, and condolences to Mr D. Piotrowski whose top shelf contributions are something I always look forward to on The Punch.

      My favourite Chris Paine contribution is still his Black Dog / Depression article from May 4 this year. Given we have just had R U OK day in the past fortnight, I’d recommend everyone have a read.

      http://www.news.com.au/features/onehour-onelife/how-my-black-dog-helps-me-beat-the-blues/story-fnd9ca2w-1226346743009

      Anyway, it’s school holidays so I can finally get away with my better half for a short break. I shouldn’t complain that her choice in profession has resulted in every holiday we take involves extortionate prices and crying children… and yet here we are.

      Have a great weekend Punchers

    • Chris says:

      10:30am | 22/09/12

      What award?

    • pa_kelvin says:

      05:25pm | 22/09/12

      2012 News Awards. Rising Star Of The Year Award

    • Daniel Piotrowski

      Daniel Piotrowski says:

      05:41pm | 22/09/12

      @Macca - Thanks Macca. I sit about a metre away from Mr Paine, he’s a gun journo and he’s very deserving!

    • pa_kelvin says:

      06:30pm | 22/09/12

      Hey Daniel….1 metre away??  Maybe you can tell visitors it’s yours when he’s not around… smile  .. Well done on being nominated,I enjoy reading your articles, but cant always comment due to work commitments…. Keep on Punching..

    • TChong says:

      08:10am | 22/09/12

      How good were Storm?
      Slater , Cronk et al, in form, may be more than the Doggies can counter.

    • TimB says:

      08:45am | 22/09/12

      They were pretty formidable, but Manly were woeful. Errors abounded. But Canterbury definitely need to be on their game to have a chance of winning.

      But you know who *doesn’t* have a chance of winning? South Sydney. Melbourne tore them apart the other week.

      So a message to Souths- I think it’s in everyone’s best interests for you to lose the game tonight.
      If the honour of the Emerald City and indeed the great state of New South Wales is to be preserved, we need our greatest champions to defend it. That means the Mighty Bulldogs.

      For the sake of Sydney…Souths must lose.

    • nihonin says:

      09:32am | 22/09/12

      Bugger that TimB, best team wins on the night.

      Go the Bunnies.

    • TimB says:

      11:21pm | 22/09/12

      Indeed they did Nihonin smile

      Bad luck losing your halfback like that. Canterbury never looked back after that.

      Bring on Melbourne.

    • nihonin says:

      07:29am | 23/09/12

      One word to cover it all….

      Bugger!

    • Little Joe says:

      08:20am | 23/09/12

      Poor Bunnies,

      Lost their kicker ..... ouch!!! Kicked the ball away all night. Looked like an AFL match. Should be a reasonable game next week for Australia’s the second code next week.

      Hawks did well. Rioli was superb!!! Will be a sensational Grand Final!!!

    • Ben says:

      08:12am | 22/09/12

      I can live with the fact my beloved Sea-Eagles lost. I just wish I had a dollar for every time they knocked on.

    • vox says:

      12:08pm | 22/09/12

      You would have more money if you got a dollar for every time they knocked off!

    • Achmed says:

      08:17am | 22/09/12

      I may well have missed the news article.  Some articles seem to come and go while I’m at work and i dont read them.
      But I haven’t seen any news article about riots in the USA protesting the movie.
      Is that because the Americam Muslims didn’t riot?  Because they “get” that it wasn’t America that made the movie but it was one individual?

    • Gregg says:

      08:27am | 22/09/12

      The Swannies played a great game last night as did the Stormers too, a little parallel there in that both teams being representative of their state capitals won convincingly and now will have to travel to the other capitals next weekend to battle for the ultimate season achievment.

      I’d not at all be surprised if both teams also go all the way next weekend and if the Hawks and Bulldogs get up as expected, there should be too great grand finals matches.

    • Ellis says:

      09:03am | 22/09/12

      “So in the contest of the beautiful clumsy dorks, it’s pretty much a dead heat between Pyke and Mumford isn’t it? #AFL”

      I really don’t care if you call them dorks.

      I really don’t care if you call them beautiful.

      But to call them clumsy is simply stupid. Not ironical. Just dumb. It displays a lack of any real knowledge. And that is not good enough.

      Mumford is possibly one of the most skilled big men to ever play the game and Pyke is an incredible story of determination and natural athletic skill converting to a game, that is in all likelihood the most technical in the world, in his twenties. He has no right to do the things he does.

      Amazingly inept comment Mr Sharwood.

    • Bill says:

      09:16am | 22/09/12

      Congratulations Sydney - you’ve seen the light and realised that our national, indigeonous game is by far the greatest in the land.

      Suffer in ya jocks, pie fans!

    • Tim says:

      12:32pm | 22/09/12

      Oh, looks like someone was telling porkies about ticket sales. Only 57 000 attending?
      Apprently they’d presold 60 000.

    • TimB says:

      11:24pm | 22/09/12

      And what’s this? 70,000+ to the Canterbury-Souths game? It’s good to see that Sydneysiders know where the REAL entertainment is.

    • Tim says:

      09:30am | 23/09/12

      Oh dear,
      Where’s Bill ‘national code’ gone?
      Over 70000 at the League and massive TV ratings in Sydney.
      Oops looks like he will be licking those windows for another season.

    • pa_kelvin says:

      12:55pm | 23/09/12

      Bill….Bill?.....Bill????? Wheres Bill?

    • Chris L says:

      11:10am | 22/09/12

      So Romney paid about 14% tax eh? What a giver. My own tax tends to be higher, but I’m not complaining because I get healthcare out of it.

      This BS about tax returns wouldn’t have crossed anyone’s mind if not for the lunacy of the Birther group who think someone could become president of the US without having their birth certificate looked at. Donald Trump, I’m looking at you!

    • Reed Player says:

      11:11am | 22/09/12

      Laugh all you want, but Romney is toast and you just look silly.

      The Republicans wish they could change candidates. I think they would settle for a vacant chair instead of this loser.

    • tut tut says:

      11:29am | 22/09/12

      Oh Dear!!!

      At 379 pages, Romney’s 2011 tax return is nearly twice as long as his as his 203-page return from 2010. A full 267 pages of the latest return are devoted to listing Romney’s investments in 34 offshore corporations and partnerships, including 15 in the Cayman Islands. Of the 34 offshore companies, 30 are located in countries considered to be offshore tax havens by the U.S. Government Accountability Office.

      Much of Romney’s investment income flows from his retirement package from Bain Capital. Unlike most retired financiers, Romney was allowed to receive his Bain retirement as carried interest, rather than ordinary income. Carried interest is subject to the favorable capital gains tax rate of 15 percent, rather than the 35 percent tax rate that the wealthiest Americans pay on ordinary income.

      “The preferential rate on capital gains and dividends saved Mitt Romney a whopping $1.2 million in taxes in 2011, cutting his tax bill almost in half,” said Rebecca Wilkins, senior counsel for federal tax policy at Citizens for Tax Justice. “He would have paid $3.1 million in taxes without that special treatment.”

      The capital gains tax is one of the most lucrative perks in the tax code for wealthy Americans, with half of all capital gains flowing to the top 0.1 percent of taxpayers, according to the Washington Post.

      Seriously, we know more about a 3,300-year-old teen pharaoh mummy penis than we do about what lies carefully preserved in Romney’s tax returns before 2010. That’s either because we know a fair amount about King Tut’s mummified member—like the fact that it broke off and went missing for a while—or because we know absolutely nothing about the pre-2010 presidential candidate’s tax returns.

    • Curious Mick says:

      03:59pm | 22/09/12

      tut tut…not looking to good there for Mitt…is it Ellis?

      Out of curiosity…are you a septic Ellis?

    • Ellis says:

      04:25pm | 22/09/12

      “Laugh all you want, but Romney is toast and you just look silly.”

      Oh I will guffaw. A whole lot. Obama is gone. With the whole of the msm acting as Democratic surrogates he can’t pull ahead. He parties while his Ambassadors are murdered. He lies about it. He runs guns to Mexico that kill his border agents. He borrows in the trillions.

      he is killing western civilisation. People do realise it.

      “The Republicans wish they could change candidates.”

      Really? Source? Your wet dreams?

      ” I think they would settle for a vacant chair instead of this loser. “

      HAHAHAHA. The meme is in now eh. Eastwood bit and bit hard. There is only one empty chair.

      The worst President in history.

      The terrible thing is that I don’t believe anyone can turn it back. Only slow it down.

      The West is in terminal decline. The progressives will have rivers of blood on their hands.

      And dearest Chris. God bless you sweetheart but that was more than he had to pay. He actually paid more tax than was necessary. I know that doesn’t fit the narrative but there it is.

      Terrible isn’t it.

      How much did Obama give to charity? Harry Reid?

      Have they filled Michelle’s job at the hospital yet? The $300k as an outreach consultant? $300k to do nothing.  What a disgusting sycophant she is. What a hypocrite. Her position was a sham, a political payback. Graft.

      Progressives. Laughable and sickening.

    • pa_kelvin says:

      05:53pm | 22/09/12

      @Ellis….. Breathe in breathe out ,calm….calm…now,reach for the pills,you know the ones, take two…now think happy thoughts…all better I hope…. keep taking them pills everyday… so much better…. smile

    • justin says:

      06:10pm | 22/09/12

      ellis
      You forgot the birther thingy, oh and the 9/11 conspiracy.

    • stephen says:

      10:05am | 22/09/12

      Collingwood needs a new coach.
      And I’d say half of their players last night at any one time wouldn’t have known where the ball was.
      And Johnson does a good trick : he pretends he’s going for a mark but actually he’s scratching his ankle.

    • Chris L says:

      10:24am | 22/09/12

      Given that we like to discuss politics on the Punch, even on articles completely unrelated to the subject (Acotrel and Babylon, I’m looking at you!) I thought I’d share this piece from cracked.com (The source of all wisdom).

      http://www.cracked.com/blog/3-reasons-we-need-to-reexamine-how-we-elect-presidents/

      I ignore the fact that they included a picture of Ventura in the section discussing lunatics. Long live Jessie! That man don’t got time to bleed!

    • vox says:

      12:15pm | 22/09/12

      Ben, earlier on I got the distinct impression that Acotrel was referring to Australia, not overseas. Maybe I’m the idiot?
      Anyone who has ever fed a Swan on the Lake knows that they just love eating those Pies. You bloody beauty!

    • vox says:

      02:16pm | 22/09/12

      Yesterday an article was headed, “NO, NO, NO,” or something and reading it today you invited me, or anyone, to ‘add a comment’. Arrow and everything. Then, after I had excercised my end-of-week already weak brain you tell me that ‘comments are closed’.
      This is not conducive to a lovin’ relationship.

    • stephen says:

      04:38pm | 22/09/12

      Well then talk to your wife, even if you get the same header.

    • neo says:

      04:31pm | 22/09/12

      Lol just reading some of fml’s trolls. What a douche.

    • Ellis says:

      08:03pm | 22/09/12

      Oh don’t worry. It is just that tiny tiny miniscule almost non existant radical members of the fringe of Islam.

      Nothing to see here.

      Someone will apologise. All is well.

    • Fed Up says:

      05:40pm | 22/09/12

      Prime Minister Julia Gillard says she will push ahead with a plan to cut the payments of 100,000 single mothers despite objections from Parliament’s human rights committee

      Anything to stay in power.

    • patsy says:

      01:07pm | 23/09/12

      And so she should. John Howard was going to do this. Send the mothers to TAFE or similar to gain or refresh skills to make them re-employable. I know a single parent who has not supported herself for two decades. Her youngest is 16. She was offered a part time job in a cafe and turned it down. Understandably, some single mothers with young children don’t have family support re childcare so, each case should be assessed indiividually.
      After I kicked my exhusband out I got an Accountancy diploma from TAFE, started working part time ‘til the boys were in school and full time from then on.  My kids never went without (and I did not get maintainence) and I had a greater social life from all the new people I met. So it would do them a favour.

    • pa_kelvin says:

      03:53pm | 23/09/12

      She is not cutting it ,her plan is to transition them to Newstart when the youngest child turns 8…..

    • stephen says:

      06:06pm | 22/09/12

      18 asylum seekers have decided to go home rather than go to Nauru, and Chris Bowen said that they had decided to ‘weigh up their options’.
      Quite, Mr. Bowen.
      And it is about time you did something.

    • stephen says:

      06:13pm | 22/09/12

      ... talking about Sam Kechovich ... those Maccas lamb burgers are a knockout !

    • nihonin says:

      07:31am | 23/09/12

      AT $8 a pop, that makes it the most expensive piece of lamb in the country.

    • stephen says:

      01:34am | 23/09/12

      C’mon Rachel Neyland !

    • Gregg says:

      09:46am | 23/09/12

      Great game between the Hawks and the Crows yesterday/last night, a twilight game it being called.
      Unlike those crows having a prime place atop the coat hanger in Sydney, the Adelaide Crows did not quite make it though gave the Hawks a scary time of it and looking on from an unbiased position, it could even be said they may have been hardly done by, a little bit of inconsistent decision making at crucial times possibly being enough to swing the match for the Hawks.

      Lets see if the Swans can ruffle their feathers next Saturday.

    • nihonin says:

      09:55am | 23/09/12

      Did bill Shorten know or hear what Wayne Swan said or did he once again just support it for the price of a pie? wink

    • Sister Mary Anne says:

      11:18am | 23/09/12

      What a depressing mix of fact, fancy and flippancy about what seems a profound and completely unsolved problem of humanity, quasi-love and very complex politics…no wonder the sea-taxis and their countries of origin are confused but confident that we have no real solution to our own problems and thus have no credible deterrent to breaches of maritime safety and sanity.
      So, let me ask the mug questions that we all wonder daily: why do we let fear turn our navy into marine vacuum-cleaners, waiting to sweep-up boats from the precincts of Indonesia? and why then do we repatriate by jet planes those who decide to back-out, all at insane costs to us? No wonder they keep coming to the land of plenty and agitate violently when they find a trivial reason to close-down our city violently and pray in our parks and streets. Even if we don’t yet believe it, our relentless appeasement suggests that the end of their invasion is in sight

    • stephen says:

      12:15pm | 23/09/12

      Collingwood may have won the 1990 grand Final, but they’ll never win another if they continue to play like they did on Friday at ANZ Stadium.
      Saw the game live on telly, and now I watch the replay ... ‘shakes his head’
      Bloody dreadful.

    • stephen says:

      06:51pm | 23/09/12

      And finally the TV guide critic in the Sundat Mail has got it right : 5 stars for ‘Rebel Without a Cause’ is correct ... but 5 for ‘Speed’ ?

      ps she must be on it.

    • LougsBenoReog says:

      02:05pm | 15/12/12

      Aw, this was a honestly nice post. In notion I would like to put in writing like this moreover - taking time and actual effort to create a extremely great article?- but what can I say?- I procrastinate alot and by no indicates seem to get something accomplished.

      http://jerseys2013.iblogger.org/

      <a >Wholesale NFL Jerseys</a>

 

Facebook Recommendations

Read all about it

Punch live

Up to the minute Twitter chatter

Paul Colgan

Column: Ford was hurt by a high dollar, costly labour, and making things nobody wanted to buy http://t.co/duaZQ0CHQY

Lucy Kippist

RT @theburgerman: Interesting blog post: it's time for news websites to stop "matching" (i.e. rewriting a competitor's story) | http://t.co

Lucy Kippist

RT @WritersCentreAU: Writing Tips: 31 Most Invaluable Pieces Of Writing Advice From Famous Authors. http://t.co/sc9jz2vJu6

Lucy Kippist

RT @KateMidena: Biggest Loser retreat set to open in Aus http://t.co/TTWqbXJpTI

Recent posts

The latest and greatest

The Punch is moving house

The Punch is moving house

Good morning Punchers. After four years of excellent fun and great conversation, this is the final post…

Will Pope Francis have the vision to tackle this?

Will Pope Francis have the vision to tackle this?

I have had some close calls, one that involved what looked to me like an AK47 pointed my way, followed…

Advocating risk management is not “victim blaming”

Advocating risk management is not “victim blaming”

In a world in which there are still people who subscribe to the vile notion that certain victims of sexual…

Nosebleed Section

choice ringside rantings

From: Hasbro, go straight to gaol, do not pass go

Tim says:

They should update other things in the game too. Instead of a get out of jail free card, they should have a Dodgy Lawyer card that not only gets you out of jail straight away but also gives you a fat payout in compensation for daring to arrest you in the first place. Instead of getting a hotel when you… [read more]

From: A guide to summer festivals especially if you wouldn’t go

Kel says:

If you want a festival for older people or for families alike, get amongst the respectable punters at Bluesfest. A truly amazing festival experience to be had of ALL AGES. And all the young "festivalgoers" usually write themselves off on the first night, only to never hear from them again the rest of… [read more]

Gentle jabs to the ribs

Superman needs saving

Superman needs saving

Can somebody please save Superman? He seems to be going through a bit of a crisis. Eighteen months ago,… Read more

28 comments

Newsletter

Read all about it

Sign up to the free News.com.au newsletter