It was a week of outrage. Alan Jones was the topic of the week - Penbo came out swinging at the repugnant remarks. In any other week, the Geert Wilders saga might’ve attracted more attention. And Margie Abbott spoke out on behalf of her husband.


It was a week with bite. TV reporter Chris Urquhart’s renunciation of the Bulldogs sparked quite a spirited discussion. The decline of the red delicious apple was on Anthony Sharwood’s mind. The taste of pepper spray on Dan Piotrowski’s. And Lucy Kippist was bewildered by her Apple Store experience.

We hope this weekend’s a little more chilled out. What’s on your mind?

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    • Fed Up says:

      06:28am | 06/10/12

      I was watching the box the other day and saw pix of the refugee/boat people arriving at Naru.
      It just dawned on me for people just getting off the boat they seem to dress better than i do…ahhh yes they have money….otherwise how would they pay to come over.
      They were mulling around a buffet style breaky…bacon and eggs for the non believers…i don’t get bacon and eggs for breaky…3 day old toast if its still chewable
      And they get a free flight home if they dont like the accomodation.
      These people dont look like the starving /persecuted people of Somalia or any where else.
      And when they reach Naru…why are they their so long.

    • iansand says:

      09:53am | 06/10/12

      I suggest you find the definition of “refugee”.

    • Gregg says:

      10:44am | 06/10/12

      Hey Fed up, they ain’t really been there so long at all just yet and perhaps some are waiting in hope that the government will up the amount of $$$$ on offer to decide they’re not really in a position where asylum can or ought to be rightfully granted.

      Meanwhile, the boatpeople/people smuggling supporters have their beliefs and the government is stuck with abiding by their 1951 very much out of date and inappropriate UN convention rather than revoke commitment to it.
      Also meanwhile, while the government does not fully return to what they revoked back in 2008, we’re working against a flood of even greater proportions with our hands tied behind our backs.

      The government or let us say immigration department only have so many suitably trained and experienced people to seriously look at processing and so it’ll be slow going and again do not at all be surprised if we have even more numbers arriving anytime real soon as more and more learn of $3000 or whatever on offer to take a return flight home.
      It’ll be like several hundred people get together with a few of their local fishing types and bugger smugglers, we’ll just set sail for Australia for those fools down there are going to pay us good money to just return home.

      It’s nothing but a fiasco, a circus or whatever you want to call it with Gillard as the ringmaster and Bowen trying to assist.
      I firmly believe that this situation has potential to be so far out of control that nothing short other than at least a temporary withdrawal of our UN Convention commitment is necessary.

      We can still agree to take UN bonafide refugees for resettlement and even continue with the special humanitarian sponsorships but as to others, the message needs to be firm, immediate and clear, turn up without a visa and you’re on the very first charter flight back to your own country.

    • DOB says:

      07:31pm | 06/10/12

      Id suggest you stop getting your clothes from Target then…Youre not from Penrith are you?

    • thatmosis says:

      06:41am | 06/10/12

      I see Newman is getting on with the job here in Queensland telling the PM to shove her new 6 point Energy Rating System for new buildings that Bligher agreed to. Just this simple step will save the public about $1200 each on each apartment built. The energy savings would have been about $54 a year which makes it a very cost effective saving for the people.
        He is also conferring with the Victorian Government about the new Construction Code of Conduct which makes it easier for businesses to sue Unions who deliberately flout the laws and continue to strike when the umpires decision goes against them. This is what he was elected for and add to that the culling of the dead wood in the Public Service and he is well on his way to fulfilling his promises of getting Queensland back on track after 20 years of Labor neglect.

    • Tim says:

      11:26am | 06/10/12

      Yeah they should build some more non energy efficient buildings. It’s not like electricity costs are rising or anything.

    • Gratuitous Adviser says:

      02:17pm | 06/10/12

      If your “6 point Energy Rating System for new buildings…/ Just this simple step will save the public about $1200 each on each apartment built…. /The energy savings would have been about $54 a year…”, is not an exageration like your “Bligher” throw away, then this point is exactly where Labor goes wrong and gets peoples backs up. 

      I think of things like this every time I’m on a new style crapper that now takes three flushes instead of one to waste last nights curry.

      These innovations have to be beneficial, measurable and not just because the Greens want it.

    • Babylon says:

      09:31am | 07/10/12

      Newmans got to make up the deficit for years of unfunded, reckless Labor spending.

      Any cuts you know whose to blame.

    • acotrel says:

      06:42am | 06/10/12

      Alan Jones and Andrew Bolt are obviously front men for the Liberal Party even though their positions are not official.  Silence from the LNP over Alan Jones’s down comment about Julia Gillard’s father can only be seen as agreement or even sponsorhip.

    • Katherine says:

      09:47am | 06/10/12

      Yes, I’m afraid that we’re stuck with them.

    • Bill says:

      10:08am | 06/10/12

      And Fairfax and the ABC are unashamed apologists for the Labor Party. Everyone knows that. What’s your point?

    • Gregg says:

      10:27am | 06/10/12

      Very typical ol fella in that you’ve missed half or more of recent life for you would have seen/heard/watched a number of Liberals including Tony Abbott and even your preferred leader for Labor, Malcol making comments as to the inappropriateness of Jones words to a smallish gathering of people, words btw which Jines has since apologised for on a number of occasions.

      As to front men, you ought to also appraise yourself of the fact that there are journalistic and media types who would seem to have political leanings in whatever direction and it could even enlighten you to why articles do get presented with a particular slant.
      I’d not at all be surprised if it is just all too much for you.

    • Babylon says:

      09:21am | 07/10/12

      President of the National Labor Party.
      Member of the Industrial arm of the Labor Party, the HSU for 30 years,
      Secretary of the Industrial arm of the Labor Party, the HSU for 10 years,
      National President of the Industrial arm of the Labor Party, the HSU.

      The former ALP President arrested, faces multiple charges.

      Fraud, corruption, nepotism, wrong doing…

      Julia Gillard refused to comment.

      Alan Jones is a Radio Presenter who votes Liberal and knows lies when he hears them.

    • Babylon says:

      09:35am | 07/10/12

      Thomson, former member of the Labor Party and now Pretend Not to be still, key voter in making Gillard Govenment policy in Parliament.

      Thomson faces 157 criminal charges for his time at the Industrial arm of the Labor Party, thr HSU.

      Julia Gillard refused to comment.

    • Flyingdale Flyer says:

      01:39pm | 07/10/12

      Got me flummoxed how amongst some of the commentators on this site that Alan Jones gets painted as the victim over his uncalled for comments about our Prime Minister

    • marley says:

      06:45am | 06/10/12

      It was a week of outrage, all right. Even more, it was a week of vitriol.  I don’t think I’ve seen so much ugliness on the Punch, so many comments disappearing, so much sheer nastiness before. All sorts of people complaining blaming one side or the other for lowering standards of public discussion, while contributing mightily to that decline themselves.  I know I made a few pretty ascerbic remarks myself.

      Time to step back a bit, I think, and realise that being civil isn’t a sign of weakness, and making ugly comments about politics, politicians or other bloggers isn’t a sign of strength.

    • Tim says:

      11:28am | 06/10/12

      Cmon Marley,
      Stick strong. I’m sure you’ve got some more harsh comments in you

    • marley says:

      01:03pm | 06/10/12

      @Tim - I’ve already deleted about six comments this morning just before hitting the “submit” button.  But the steam is starting to come out of my ears - I may have to actually send the next one, just to relieve the pressure smile

    • Mouse says:

      09:06am | 07/10/12

      marley, today is a new day and I am sure there will be new comments to be astounded at.  lol
      I am a bit like you I reckon and am a little surprised at the strength and bitterness of some of the comments.  At least when you make ascerbic remarks, they are easy to understand! lol It certainly is turning into a nasty tirade on here, a bit like our current parliament floor really.  lol
      Oh well, I suppose that it is only going to get stronger the closer we get to election and that is a year away!  OMG! I am not sure if my sensitive little ears/eyes can handle it!  Never mind, we’ll tough it out and see how it goes. lol   :o)

    • marley says:

      05:08pm | 07/10/12

      @Tim and Mouse - well, my resolution to be a better person lasted about a half day.  Oh well, maybe it’s like quitting smoking - each hour you resist temptation makes you stronger.  Tomorrow is another day. 

      As for politics, yep, I think the run-up to the election is going to be all-out wrestling in the mud.  Could be entertaining in the short-term, but damn depressing if you think of what’s actually good for the country in the longer term.

    • Mouse says:

      06:39pm | 07/10/12

      hahahahaha. Oh marley, I can just see it now, Tony in his budgies and gillard in a one piece (OMG, I hope it’s a one piece!! lol) in a giant mud wrestling puddle.  Damn, I would pay to see that   rflmao :oD
      Politics, long term? I just hope that sooner or later we get pollies that think that this is what they are there for. It would be nice   :o)

    • acotrel says:

      06:46am | 06/10/12

      Perhaps we need a reconciliation statement to be made in parliament by the LNP,  over the down comment made by their man Alan Jones about Julia Gillard’s father ?

    • TimB says:

      10:24am | 06/10/12


      They didn’t make the comment, Jones did. They’ve condemned the comment and have nothing to apoligise for.

    • Rosie says:

      10:43am | 06/10/12

      Yeah great idea acotrel, just what the PM would be asking for, another opportunity for her to deliver a second eulogy about her late father in response to what you have suggested! Lucky for her - special privilege for her to garner more public sympathy in our Parliament!

    • nihonin says:

      10:58am | 06/10/12

      Agree, Julia Gillard can do the same as well, she’ll need to make a reconciliation statement concerning your calls for Tony Abbott death or wishing him dead.  Hypocrite.

    • Greg in Chengdu says:

      01:21pm | 06/10/12

      Or how about a reconciliation statement from labor to the Australian people for 4 years of Lies and economical destruction

    • G in lala land says:

      02:25pm | 06/10/12

      “4 years of Lies and economical destruction “

      Please, do give us the view from someone in China.
      Don’t tell me, you are a subscriber to Ltd. News right?

    • Greg in Chengdu says:

      06:10pm | 06/10/12

      @G in Lala land, yeah right because I’m an expat I couldn’t possibly have any idea whats going on at home or have an opinion could I?

    • Cathy says:

      07:06am | 06/10/12

      I find the following statement made in relation to Simon Berger’s resignation from Woolworths a bit odd.

      Mr Berger said his chaff bag clothing (Jones has on air said the Prime Minister should be put in a sack and dropped into the ocean) was not aimed at Ms Gillard.

      “It was a prop to put myself in after taking the mickey out of Alan Jones,” he said.

      “So, two weeks after first putting myself in a chaff bag, I guess I’m doing it again.”

      Considering the backlash surely if your intentions were innocent you would have put more effort into countering the misrepresentations of what your real motives were. I may have missed it, but I have seen nothing about Mr Berger challenging the dark assumptions made about this chaff bag jacket. I even looked on his facebook to see whether, previous to his resignation, he tried to set the story straight about his true motives but nothing was said there either. There was only the statement he made after his resignation which (belatedly) reveals the now claimed ‘innocent’ intentions behind having the jacket.

    • Marek Bage says:

      09:37am | 06/10/12

      I found it odd that Mr. Berger held a position in Woolworths that was titled Government Relations Officer ( or something similar).
      The fact that his antics belied an hyper-partisan attitude which favoured the side of politics that is not currently in government would have, no doubt, made his position a wee bit untenable.
      Kind of like appointing David Irving as a Jewish liaison officer!

      Perhaps, I’m being unkind.
      Perhaps Mr. Berger is a consummate professional who was able to put to one side his visceral hatred for the Government and lobby on behalf of his employer with respect and good will.
      Or perhaps Woolworth’s came to hold a different point of view.


    • Mattb says:

      11:05am | 06/10/12

      Alan jones signed it and apparently it was auctioned off on the night.
      Just goes to show how much anyone can believe any apology that comes from the mouth of AJ.

      Surely, if he really was sorry he said those things about putting Julia in a chaff bag last year, he wouldve told this bloke where to shove this “Chaff bag Jacket” instead of signing his name on it..

    • Gregg says:

      07:21am | 06/10/12

      I do not know that the fans up on the hill or so called mountain top outside of bathurst will be too chilled, well not for the considerable number of cold ales consumed by a few.
      Other lounge room lizards like me might fit in a few hours for the Top 10 shootout, start plus a few laps and hourly highlights before the closing hour, some no doubt glued to their sets all day.

      I missed Margies piece yesterday as it was my fortnightly trip into the blood bank so they could pull some juice out of me and get the plasma which is good for all sorts of medical ailments and even though home by late afternoon, an early start saw me a bit knackered.
      It was pleasing to see initial responses and appears something a bit sharp by our acotrel could have been too acryllic acid like and that for what seemed to be a low key enough article about someone we already know a fair bit about or anyone who does keep up with the news would know that Tony Abbott gets involved in all sorts of community work.
      Last one I read of was where he had got a group of people together and was putting up a building of some sort in an aboriginal community, a number of business people involved and one of his daughters too if I remember correctly.
      And yes, there is an impressive list of other involvments, something any of us could be quite rightly proud of if we were doing similar to the same level and that goes for any politicians, male or female from whatever political party.

      Yes, it seems Tony is often to the fore in what he does in the community and there is no reason to suspect he is nothing but a good bloke despite smear attempts.
      I do not reckon that I need to read all 490 responses to know that there would be a some amount of vitriol coming through but one response that did kind of interest me was from my old red pinkish mate Chongy who knows that I do not hold his colouring against him and that I call a spade a spade.
      Chongy posted:
      ” Since Mrs Abbott ( or any other pollies friends / family ) is now spruiking party policy - as is her right, is she now fair game, like any other partisan player? “
      Somehow Chongy, I did not see any policy statements in Margie’s piece other than her stating that Tony was against what he saw as bad policies.
      Sure she stated that she and her daughters, now of a mature age gave some support to Tony in the last campaign, not that we would really know other than their presence a few times.

      So on policy Chongy, what are you really talking of and in what way are you considering Mrs Abbott to be fair game if she has again a minimal involvement?

    • vox says:

      10:50am | 06/10/12

      Nice try Gregg, but another abject fail from Camp Deception.
      Chongy was, and is completely right. No doubt about it, and you don’t call a spade a spade. You do call the lie a truth though.
      Abbott’s wife said, “He doesn’t get bad policy, and he doesn’t get bad government.” She did not say, ” He doesn’t get what he percieves as bad policy and bad government”. She, like all of us has entered the fray, and she, like all of us is fair game.
      You fibbed Gregg. You specifically stated that she made no(!), policy statement “other than her stating that Tony was against what he saw as bad policies”.  That, in the eyes of even the most rabid Abbotteer, is a lie. You know, the type of thing of which you and your grubby crew accuse our Prime Minister day in day out, from the Parliament floor to 2GB, and on these pages. You will of course do the honorable thing and apologise, won’t you Gregg.
      A quick mention of another point that you spent a long time making.
      Abbott’s “voluntary” work. When did you, or any of us, see a story or photo of Abbott fighting a fire, or rescuing someone from the jaws of a shark or from a watery grave, or any one of the dozens of “heroic” deeds of which he is “credited”?
      We see photos of him in ‘a’ firefighter’s outfit, or his ridiculously unimpressive swimwear, and in the truckiie’s seat, (there are cameras a-plenty for that), but never of him actually ‘doing’ something good.
      You will denounce me now for my inaccuracies, won’t you Gregg. I have after all, by making clear my opinion of Abbott, clearly “entered the fray”, and am now, undeniably, fair game.
      Well said, Chongy!

    • OK says:

      12:48pm | 06/10/12

      gregg makes it a point of being very lame and taking an inordinate amount of space to be so lame.
      Chongy was right and margie has joined the fray.
      bad policy and bad government are an Abbott invention that never caught on. This minority government has done more for Australia than all the Howard and Costello years.

    • sunny says:

      01:13pm | 06/10/12

      Yeah I picked up on this yesterday too and made a comment about it on that article by Mrs Abbott.
      I honestly would not have commented and given her any more attention, but when I read that line “he doesn’t get bad policy, and he doesn’t get bad government” that is Mrs Abbott stating that it is bad policy and bad government. And well, that is about as political as it gets. It goes to negating her claim that the article was entirely a personal perspective. Gregg I reckon Chongy has a good point there.

    • marley says:

      01:40pm | 06/10/12

      To be fair, I didn’t that comment of Margie Abbott’s was “spruiking party policy” either.  I took it as saying “Tony’s a Liberal, and so am I.”  She hardly entered into a debate about the merits of the carbon tax or the NBN.

      As for Vox’s silly comment about volunteer work, I’ve got a friend who’s a volunteer life guard, and who spends part of every weekend in the summer at the beach, keeping an eye on things.  She’s never saved anyone’s life (yet), but that is no reason to disparage her willingness to be out there keeping people from getting into trouble in the first place.  And the guys who work the beach with her wear “ridiculously unimpressive swimwear” just like Abbott does, because they aren’t keen on having to go into the water wearing tuxedos.  Tends to slow down progress through the water, you know.

    • Gregg says:

      02:11pm | 06/10/12

      Well, so sorry for you lot vox, OK and sunny
      Where again is Mrs Abbott supposed to be spruiking party policy!

      I reckon it is just in your heads people like a lot of stuff on Abbott that Labor hope will get into the heads of people when there is no substance and it is only people mouthing off which occurs on here often enough.

      I do feel so sad for some peoples feeble minds.

    • sunny says:

      05:37pm | 06/10/12

      Gregg “Where again is Mrs Abbott supposed to be spruiking party policy!”

      I didn’t say she was spruiking party policy. I said that she was playing politics, with the line “he doesn’t get bad policy, and he doesn’t get bad government”.

      Heck, even her husband doesn’t spruik party policy. If only! All he does is employ that negative sniping brand of politics that shouts down the government’s policies without putting forward the detail of his own policies. And with that sentence in Margie Abbott’s article, it looks as if he’s now sent his wife out to do the same.

      BTW I think this is more the reason he’s on the nose with voters than the perception of his problems with women. If overnight he became a positive ideas man, he would regain a lot of ground ..not that I want to give his genius strategists any ideas.

    • Inky says:

      07:48am | 06/10/12

      Wow, I was so tired last night I ended up more or less going straight to bed.

      Mouse, if you wanna pick up Friday’s conversation, see if you can find Incubus on a place called spinchat :3

    • Mouse says:

      09:37am | 06/10/12

      What?? LOL, you party animal you!!  :o)
      See you on the other side…......

    • Scotchfinger says:

      04:35pm | 07/10/12

      are you two married yet? remember, cyber-romance never works.

      *grumble, mutter*

      I wish the unfriendly alien had finished Inky off when he had the chance…

    • Mouse says:

      05:17pm | 07/10/12

      Awww Scotchie, don’t be like that, we are all friends here, even with unfriendly aliens!!  LOL :o)

    • Gratuitous Adviser says:

      08:31am | 06/10/12

      Regarding Tory’s Gert Wilders item, I missed it on the day but I would still like to make a general comment.

      Contrary to Chris Bowen’s comment, “To read his writings is to be struck by their ignorance and their wrongheaded views of other people’s beliefs”, there are far bigger ethnic and/or religious groups that have, will and are blending into European society without the amount of tension that the Muslim integration is causing.  In my opinion, the reason that Muslims are not blending in is because their religion is all powerful, with no compromise possible for the faithful.  This maybe Australia’s future if the recent past is any measure. 

      For liberal democratic societies (many in Europe), it’s a time bomb and a comparable issue to world overpopulation, which naive and selfish politicians are cowardly passing onto the next generation by platitudes, political correctness and slurring of any opposition, like Wilders, I presume.

      To Chris Bowen’s merit he is letting Wilders have a visa and rightly so.  To not do so would have been equivalent to a Joe Ludwig ministerial decision, a mistake.

      A couple of nice throwaways that I like:
      “Would terrorism even exist without religion?”
      “Multiculturism only works long term in the Melting Pot”

    • marley says:

      01:13pm | 06/10/12

      Just on that one point - “would terrorism even exist without religion?”  Mmm, yes.  Going back to the 70s, think of the FLQ in Quebec, the Red Brigades in Italy, and the Bader-Meinhoff gang, not to mention the Japanese Red Army.  These days, we’ve got the Maoists in Northern India, ETA in Spain, Shining Path in Peru and assorted Kurdish groups in Turkey and elsewhere.  To my mind, most terrorism is, at heart, about nationalism and power, with religion used as a cover for the real motives.

    • chuck says:

      09:22am | 06/10/12

      Yeah Geert Wilders can’t come however our magnificent legal system can allow scores of potential problematic persons (with interesting code names) and ASIO files to stay!!
      Who are the 5th columnists?

    • Georgina Goodenough says:

      01:36pm | 06/10/12

      Hi Chuck, You’d be surprised who HAS an ASIO file. All politicians from both sides since the organisation was founded. Almost everyone in any Australian Defence force ever. Possibly every ACTU head ever and probably some minor union officials doing their job but upsetting the government of the time. A handful of refugees who come from a country where it’s considered they are of the “wrong” religion (look it up) take up very little file space in the compactus.

    • marley says:

      04:40pm | 06/10/12

      @Georgina Goodenough - if ASIO is like any other domestic intelligence agency, it’s got files on every civil servant and member of the military in the country - someone has to do security clearances after all.  And of course it has files on many migrants, again because it does security assessments.

      That is not the same thing as having active files on potential terrorist threats or on active foreign intelligence agents and you know it.  And by the way, I’d be a lot more worried about a Hindu Tamil with LTTE links than some poor sod of a Shia Hazara on the run from the Taliban.  And so, quite rightly, would ASIO.

    • bounce factor says:

      10:05am | 06/10/12

      As if Abbott didn’t have enough problems, what with his women issues and always-on negativity, more pressure is building within the ranks.

      “The political mettle of WA Liberals will be tested next week after the Gillard Government brought forward its plans for a debate to deregulate the export of wheat.
      Amid continued infighting within the Liberal Party, the Government yesterday listed debate for the coming week of Parliament to effectively wind up Wheat Exports Australia.
      Some WA Liberal backbenchers are considering voting in a bloc in defiance of Opposition Leader Tony Abbott over moves to complete industry deregulation.
      It comes after the declaration by NSW Liberal Alby Schultz that he would abstain in any vote, depriving the coalition of at least one vote.
      WA Nationals MP Tony Crook has said he will cross the floor to support deregulation, which is largely supported by the WA wheat industry”

      Deputy Opposition Leader Julie Bishop has been asking WA Liberals to back the Nationals’ amendment, saying Mr Abbott’s leadership and the coalition’s election prospects demanded unity. She is getting no traction.
      Is this the beginning of the end for Abbott?

      The disintegration of party unity often leads the leaders removal.

    • Mattb says:

      11:46am | 06/10/12

      amazing how the conservative party and their fans in this country continually go on about “small government and market based economics” being the way the government should run and the Labor party should get out of the way of industry. Yet their party still supports government regulation.
      Can someone please tell me just what it is the current coalition party actually stands for…

    • OK says:

      12:55pm | 06/10/12

      Ever since Abbott “knifed” Turnbull, the coalition appears to stand for nothing and against everything.
      I think the electorate has tired of Abbott playing the only trick in his chaff bag and realize this minority government has accomplished much under difficult circumstances.

    • Farmer Jane says:

      10:36am | 06/10/12

      The word “vitriol” is overused on the Punch get a new word, also “robust” that’s annoying too.

      Otherwise have a great weekend!!

    • sunny says:

      01:28pm | 06/10/12

      We offer a choice of contempt, disdain, hostility, malevolence, maliciousness, nastiness, spitefulness, and venom.

      Can I recommend the malevolence, it’s in season and getting rave reviews from our regulars - cracked pepper with that ma’am, any breads? smile

    • pa_kelvin says:

      12:49pm | 06/10/12

      She probably has her eyes closed , hands over her ears going LALALALA…

    • Max Power says:

      11:30am | 06/10/12

      My take from the week that has just been. Labor and their supporters have discovered or invented what lies beneath a sewer when it comes to low life behaviour. Who could have thought Labor could have come up with tactics, smears, innuendo, personal attacks and lies, that make the QLD election campaign of Anna Bligh seem like a beacon of morality.
      Add into this, their support of the Union fraud, bullying and ignoring of the law, what an honourable party Labor are.
      The coalition are still in the gutter, however Labor have sunk to depths previously unknown. Congratulations Labor, you have won the race to the bottom.

    • Flyingdale Flyer says:

      01:46pm | 07/10/12

      Max, They cant have reached the bottom because none of them have said anything about meeting Alan jones there

    • Terry2 says:

      12:45pm | 06/10/12

      Do Qantas have a problem with people using their Frequent Flyer points ?
      My wife used our accumulated points for a Cairns/Brisbane trip to see family. so when the online seat allocation became available I went in to get her a seat. Much to my surprise there was only one seat left unoccupied on the whole aircraft : in the last row at the back next to the toilets.
      I have since been told that this is quite normal treatment for F/Flyers….......
      Any similar experiences ?

    • pa_kelvin says:

      01:17pm | 06/10/12

      They alocate a certain number of seats per flight, not in the best seating areas When these seats are taken no more are issued and you could be flying on a half empty plane…........

    • Gregg says:

      02:23pm | 06/10/12

      I’ve only used them for a couple of flights with regional AirNorth I think they are called and so it did not really matter.

      You and your wife would be pleased to know that apparently the tail end of an aircraft is one of the safer sections when an aircraft has to make a crash landing.
      The toilet actually would provide some stiffening to the airframe in that area so do not protest too loudly or they’ll want to start charging extra.

    • pa_kelvin says:

      01:04pm | 07/10/12

      Plus you never see planes backing into mountains… smile

    • Wilma J Craig says:

      12:47pm | 06/10/12

      Gregg, Jones did not apologise. He simply agreed that what he said was inappropriate and then tried to turn the whole issue around and make himslef out to be the Victim.
      Poor, poor, hard done by Alan Jones!
      Fact: If you spew shit out of your mouth as well as your arse some of it will stick to you.

    • Gregg says:

      02:17pm | 06/10/12

      I’m not saying that Alan Jones is hard done by and he is getting all he deserves for a poor choice of words even if he thought they were not going to be publicised.

      He has apologised and in fact has attempted to do it personally with Gillard who will not take any calls from him and I do not consider that too odd as well given what he did say seeing as the intent was more about her than her father, ie. it being her that he alleged would have her father ashamed.

      If you want to talk about spewing faeces, look no further than Julia, a great example our PM sets for the nation as do a considerable number of her cohorts.

    • Farmer Jane says:

      01:16pm | 06/10/12

      Im really concerned about all this protest over Live Export. I get so annoyed at people that have never been out of their city comfort zone into rural areas. Do they not understand that we need the Live Export Industry to survive? Do they think if they stand up and protest against this “cruel” practise that graziers and pastoralists will be ok and the special meat trees out the back of coles and woolies will keep supplying the worlds food??

      Sheep and Cattle on those boats have it sweet. Its a luxury cruise. They have plenty of food and water enough room to lie down, specialist veterinary care. The animals are so content they actually put on weight during the voyage!

      Its very upsetting seeing people who have no idea about the industry that just think “oh poor moo cows and sheepies” I bet you take these people into an Australian abbatoir and they would be just as shocked. Meat doesnt grow on trees you know!!

    • CrankyCharlie says:

      02:37pm | 06/10/12

      As Homer once said .. Mmmm meat tree

    • vox says:

      01:30pm | 06/10/12

      Gregg, Gregg, Gregg, where for art thou?  No scathing reply? No apology?
      Perhaps this is part of the “Libs Can Lie” campaign sweeping the Nation.
      I just watched Abbott, backed up by Barrel O’Farrell. What a dynamic duo!
      He is calling the Government, the one that has passed hundreds of pieces of legislation with Abbott’s agreement, ‘negative’.  He repeated his “promise” to repeal the Carbon Tax, (so called), legislation, and to cut out any other tax grabs. And then girls he is going to bring in the enormously expensive maternity-leave program. Did he say how he intends paying for all of this in the absence of what he calls “tax grabs”?  Nup! Any policies? Nup!
      Why did he not qualify the unqualifiable? Because he doesn’t need to. He knows from that ‘16% in favor of him being P.M.’ disaster that he won’t ever, ever, get to the Lodge.
      We took a fun vote at our local RSL last night and the results were worse!
      Of course I understand that the Fairfax poll, (according to the Oracle, TimB), was slanted, but that was among just the Lib choices. Throw Gillard into the mix and where does Abbott’s base settle? Yep, at the base.
      Timmy, who can always be relied upon for a rational response might care to tell us a bit about that other candidate, (I think his name was ‘Others”), because I can’t recall running into him/her before.
      I hope for the sake of Abbott’s rage-manager that Others is not a female. Poor Tones, when he came down would still be muttering, “Oh no! Not beaten again by a woman!  Where’s a flimsy wall when you need one!  Boohoohoohoo”.
      Prime Minister? Nup!

    • pa_kelvin says:

      02:25pm | 06/10/12

      Mouse, Inky???? Have you guys finshed with cyber se…..err conversation yet?? Come back and join the thread…. smile

    • Mouse says:

      08:53am | 07/10/12

      hahahaha! Sorry pa_kelvin, had unexpected visitors yesterday so my computer was ignored for most of the day/night.  And yes, Inky and I had a good chat!  lol :oD
      I am not overly happy with Punch on the weekend any more, half of my posts get trashed, the time lag is not conducive to good argument or banter and the early close stops me putting in some of my best stuff on(being a night person I mean!) lol
      Anyway, I was putting stuff away yesterday, before I was interrupted, so I will be finishing that today. Oh my aching eyes! Sorting little beads, of many different colours, into little containers, is not my most favourite thing to do, but I will be happy once it’s done. lol
      So what are you up to today? Back to your fave place soon? (It’s a joke pa, I know you don’t like Sydney much lol) How did your anniversary break go? I hope you and ma_kelvin had a great time.  :o)

    • pa_kelvin says:

      12:44pm | 07/10/12

      Ta mouse ,good break very relaxing,,,,,,Sydney tomorrow ,and with daylight saving in the backward states Gotta leave an hour earlier…...Agree with punching on weekends….......

    • StuieG says:

      02:53pm | 06/10/12

      Thousands “to” Rally against live exports. I’ll be more impressed when thousands “do” rally. I like the close up photo making 15 people look like a crowd (over at ). How about a zoomed out shot showing the thousands..

      I do feel for the animals but Australia needs to be encouraging exports at the moment no making it harder. Why don’t they protest for better conditions on the boats or whatever it is their upset about rather then their hard line.

    • RobertG says:

      05:59pm | 06/10/12

      Re Tory shepherds article about the anti Islamic Gertrude Wilders. Maybe he is right A “moderate” Muslim is something of an oxymoron as they have to accept the Koran as the LITERAL word of Allah, yet it contains phrases such “kill the unbeliever” (surah or chapter 2); “strike off their heads” (surah 8);  “fight those who do not believe in Allah ” (surah 9);  “the male shall have twice the portion of the female” (surah 4); “call to witness 2 men but if there not 2 men then choose 2 men and 1 women” (surah 8) Not a great deal of moderation there is there?

    • andye says:

      12:22pm | 07/10/12

      RobertG - “Maybe he is right A “moderate” Muslim is something of an oxymoron as they have to accept the Koran as the LITERAL word of Allah,”

      I love how easy it is for you guys to completely understand billions of people across disparate cultures and sects of Islam. You just state that they all follow the Quran without question and then quote the Quran. If it is in the Quran, the ALL Muslims do it, right?

      It takes an interesting imagination to make things that way. Firstly, you have to assume that Muslims aren’t like humans. They are more like the borg - some kind of hive-mind - who all think alike and believe unquestioningly.

      Lots of “Muslims” (even in places like Iran) don’t go to Mosque or even practice their religion in any meaningful way. Either way, people have jobs and families and lives. You know, like people? Many “Muslim” women do no have their heads covered and you know Persian girls are pretty hot.

      Islam itself is divided between sects who have different stories and history they follow, and quite different approaches to the world. This is not well understood in the west and what this means. The Shi’ite reverence for death and martyrdom is one example. The fact that the President of Iran is part of a sect specifically waiting for the return of Jesus (and some other guy) surprises many people.

      You need to get over your stereotypes of all Muslims being the same because that is essentially what the extremists want you to think. Those who do take the word of a book as gospel also want all their people to follow their particular interpretation. The greatest danger to extremist Islam is peace and prosperity. Our true enemy would burn down the world to start this conflict, if it could.

    • stephen says:

      06:34pm | 06/10/12

      Nah, didn’t mean that.

      But there’s something going on with this site.
      Is Sharwood protecting me ?

      Don’t have to bro’.

      I’m smarter than the average bear ... boo boo.

    • stephen says:

      04:46pm | 07/10/12

      Bought a cookbook today : Indian Bible. Penguin. Jennifer Peart.
      Little book, and one of the recipes is ‘Fish Molee’.
      (Sure that word’s misspelt.)

      Anyway, glad you printed yesterday’s, cause I got very popular with the girls today ... very.
      Um, and I wanted to ask, um ... can I print, say, next week’s funnies, today ?


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