There has been a lot of giddiness and hoopla surrounding the use of Twitter by journalists to cover the leadership ructions in the Liberal Party this past fortnight. It certainly made for high-energy reading – with its rawness and immediacy, it made the readers feel as if they were there as journalists passed on factoids from the mayhem and provided links to news and analysis of running events.

Just jokes, darling: Tony Abbott with the then shadow health minister Nicola Roxon during their 2007 campaign dust-up.

The downside of course was that it also gave tweeting journalists the ability to be 100 per cent wrong in real time – and I include myself among their number – where rumour and conjecture was shot into cyberspace, sending frantic packs of gallery journalists sprinting down corridors searching for a reputed Julie Bishop press conference, to find nothing but a Coke machine.

This real-time dissemination of both fact and fiction is an issue for the political parties head of next year’s election, where any degree of tail-chasing undermines their desire for a stage-managed and risk-averse passage through the campaign.

But tweets come and go. The bigger danger for the parties is the rise of influential independent bloggers, and the explosion of chat rooms on issue-based blog sites, which often don’t even come to the attention of political staffers and party apparatchiks who are responsible for identifying and managing negative information.

This has the potential to become a nightmare for the Liberal Party under the new leadership of Tony Abbott.

The reason is that cyberspace skews young, it skews left- liberal, and also skews much more female than traditional media.

Admittedly, there are a lot of mad conservatives thrashing around on the net, running blog sites arguing that climate change is not only a post-communist conspiracy but a sign of the coming apocalypse.

But as a general rule the trend heads much more to the left of the spectrum. The last two election campaigns in the United States and Australia told the story – as Joe Trippi chronicles in his fascinating book The Revolution Will Not be Televised, Barack Obama was totally at home communicating (and, crucially, fundraising) in cyberspace, wheras John McCain looked like he’d be flat out using a Commodore 64.

Here, Kevin07 became the darling of the net community. When John Howard was cajoled by his advisors into making key announcements on climate policy via YouTube, it looked more like al-Jazeera hostage video. The old bloke was so clearly uncomfortable you expected two masked men to enter stage left and execute him.

Less than 24 hours into his life as Opposition Leader and Tony Abbott has already endured his first high-voltage pizzling in cyberspace. I reckon his staff would have been too busy reading the papers and following the radio and TV reports to realise it even happened.

The piece came courtesy of independent blogger and Fairfax columnist Mia Freedman, who is not an ideologue, but a smart, modern, inner-city feminist chick who juggles motherhood and marriage with an extraordinarily prolific writing career. She runs the juggernaut blogsite www.mamamia.com.au  and at last count had a whopping 13,662 followers on Twitter, easily the biggest following of any Australian journo.

And on the morning after Tony Abbott became leader she tipped the following bucket on him, setting the tone with the provocative headline: “Tony Abbott is the new liberal leader. A very bad day for women. A great day for Joe Hockey’s family.”

The piece read:

“I am still trying to wrap my head around the fact that the liberal party has just elected a leader who is anti-abortion, anti-contraception, anti-IVF, anti stem cell research and who wants to ban no-fault divorce. What a great day for women! PS: Libs - are you on crack?”

With Tony Abbott installed as leader of the opposition (my fingers are struggling with typing that HOW CAN IT BE TRUE???) at least Joe Hockey will have the chance to be around while his kids are so little.

He has also been quoted as saying “climate change is crap”.

Super!

What do you think about the whole mess? Tony? Malcolm? Joe? ETS? Argh???!!!”

Freedman’s piece was a deadly accurate reflection of the views of her audience. And her readers needed no encouragement to hop in. The following comment was in keeping with most of the 300-odd which had been posted by Wednesday night:

“Let me see ... my ‘husband’ and I live in sin, we have had two children out of wedlock, I have had an abortion, I support the ETS bill, I have an IUD .... I’m bracing for women like me to be burned at the stake by The Mad Monk and his cronies.”

Freedman corrected one element of her intro – the contraception reference, after it was pointed out that Abbott is on the record as saying contraception is vastly preferable to abortion. In keeping with what is internet style, she ran a strikethrough line on the contraception reference to show she had amended the post after its publication.

Even with that qualifier it was a devastating character assessment for Tony Abbott. It’s obviously the kind of thing he will expect; given his rambunctious personality it’s the kind of thing he almost seems to invite, as he was always been one to speak his mind and front up for an argument.

The problem which he has is that these arguments are happening in a place where most conservatives fear to tread, or wouldn’t know where to tread. And the internet operates like Amway. It’s the greatest bit of pyramid marketing going around. I do not know what traffic Freedman did on this piece, but if half her twitter follows read and liked it, and forwarded it to two, three, four friends, the numbers would be staggering. Up there with daily newspaper circulation.

The greatest uncontrollable is when links to these types of stories get into chatrooms, and hundreds of people talk around them. The purpose of the chatroom has no bearing on the nature of the discussion either. Back in 2005, one of the most illustrative moments in terms of gauging the (initial) public outrage over Schapelle Corby’s jailing came to me via Daily Telegraph health reporter Sue Dunlevy, who forwarded a link to a chat room for nursing mothers to talk about mastitis, feeding techniques and so on. Several thousand women, who had nothing in common other than they were all nursing mums, used the chatroom to express their disgust at Corby’s treatment, their anger at the fact that Australia had given so much aid to Indonesia after the tsunami – it was an incredible explosion of rage, more illuminating than the letters pages or talkback.

As a social conservative who has had some high-profile dust-ups with smart Labor women such as Julia Gillard and Nicola Roxon, the internet has the potential to be hell for Tony Abbott.

By way of a postscript, the new Opposition Leader signed up to Twitter on Tuesday, and in the short time since his name has been linked to twitter reader lists with catchy titles such as peopleilovetohate, moneygrabbingarseholes, scum, haters, twats and ihategaypolarbears. Welcome to cyberspace, Tones.

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    • OT comment/question says:

      06:22pm | 08/12/09

      Off-topic, but what’s up with the comments here?

      By retroactively removing the “reply” function, you end up with scrambled out-of-context comments on threads where comments were made using the now-disabled function.

    • Ros says:

      05:59pm | 08/12/09

      Hmm David, I think that the women who would vote for Abbott have got it by more than a nose in this comments section. Add me to the yes to Abbott and for the same reasons as many. I loathe his views on abortion but respect the fact that he holds them with honesty and integrity. As for the other bloke, no more church doorstops please PM, yukky.

    • Rochelle says:

      01:16pm | 10/02/10

      Oh Amen Sister!  I like Tony Abbotts sincere approach.  I loathe Kevin Rudd’s insincerity, it makes me physicaly ill sometimes.  I am offended when I’m treated like a mindless idiot and that man (PM) is quite frequently addressing us all as thus.

      I heard an amusing quote once that I fear our PM now embodies…

      “The key to success in business is sincerity.  Once you can fake that you can do anything”

    • James says:

      02:14pm | 08/12/09

      Ok Dave let’s just perform a little analysis of that (just young and enthusiastic) left journalism.

      Admittedly, there are a lot of mad conservatives thrashing around on the net

      (gotta love the left cliches…loony left anyone?)

      When John Howard was cajoled by his advisors, execute him

      (left violence, abuse, classic references to violence)

      And on the morning after Tony Abbott became leader she tipped the following bucket on him

      (classic delight in smearing, chest thumping primitive tribal abuse)

      PS: Libs - are you on crack?”

      (classic foul abusive suggestions…anyone read between the lines here, Tony doesn’t deserve it so I won’t say it)

      Freedman’s piece was a deadly accurate reflection of the views of her audience. And her readers needed no encouragement to hop in

      (of course readers needed no encouragement, the chance to express, abuse, violence, bashing and that much referenced left intolerance of everything well not left was just to tempting)

      Even with that qualifier it was a devastating character assessment for Tony Abbott

      (love this stuff the most. Advice: create a blog with over two million hits a month with a format that contains more than 140 characters in essence more than a sound bite or a short attention span, laziness whatever you want to call it)

      but if half her twitter follows read and liked it, and forwarded it to two, three, four friends, the numbers would be staggering. Up there with daily newspaper circulation.

      (love this too, great stuff, especially the qualifer “if”. In other words it actually doesn’t happen)

      By way of a postscript, the new Opposition Leader signed up to Twitter on Tuesday, and in the short time since his name has been linked to twitter reader lists with catchy titles such as peopleilovetohate, moneygrabbingarseholes, scum, haters, twats and ihategaypolarbears.

      (well look at previous analysis…anyway you get the picture)

      Come on Dave time to quit the student union at uni isn’t it?

      Yup, left journalism, classy, quality stuff. But the tribe loves it anyway.

    • cats says:

      02:49pm | 08/12/09

      haha wow you really read into that huh

    • Claire says:

      12:06pm | 08/12/09

      Good on Mia. She’s extremely literate and she’s not afraid to call it as she sees it. If she is representative of enough of the general electorate, Abbott won’t become PM. Of course, if the only real alternative is KRuddy ... well, we’ll see, shall we?

      By the way, “chick” is an insulting, sickeningly sexist term and if I see it on this site again I will switch channels.

    • djw says:

      12:05pm | 08/12/09

      Getting kinda bored with the brain dead concept that skeptics are mad in-bred conspiracy theorists or whatever, when the believers are usually people who haven’t read up on any climate science and don’t actually understand just how fragile the premise of AGW is. Mostly they are people that have at one time or another been moved and frightened by Al Gore’s power point show. Spare me.
      There’s also that useless example that people use, the even if God doesn’t exist it’s better to believe just in case he does and you will go to heaven rather than hell, they’ll dress it up as even if the world isn’t heating and we are not causing it at least we’ll get a cleaner planet out of it so what’s the harm? I’ve never understood that kind of shallow logic.
      Left wing blogs are boring and badly written, if they were at least entertaining or witty I would probably visit them as I don’t mind trying to understand the other side of the argument, but they just end up wasting my time.

    • boy on a bike says:

      11:46am | 08/12/09

      Funny how Turnbull was given the boot after the conservative grass roots mobilised en-masse and used teh intranets to ferociously bombard the facebook sites, blogs and blackberries of their conservative MPs with demands to dump the ETS and go back to their roots. Gee, if there are no conservatives in cyberspace, where did all that come from?

      Penbethy is showing the same problems as his pet eco-blogger, Mark Mann. Mann’s reading list is solely pro-AGW, and displays not a whit of balance or alternative reading. Perhaps Tim Blair needs to invite Penbethy over for drinks one night with some of the conservative congnoseti of the blogsphere?

    • Voxpop says:

      11:46am | 08/12/09

      What Helen says is true the 100,000 number is extremely misleading and by useing it Abbott is extremely misleading and he knows it!
      Most of this number is made up from miscarriages where a curette is needed.
      The next greatest number on this list is made up of women who were using a contraceptive that failed - yep it happens a lot.
      The portrayal of women seeking abortions to be morally void and using it as their only form of contraception is something used and promoted by grubby pro-lifers who try to demonise women and cloud the issue.  This is in actual fact a very small portion of the total number yet they would have you believe it’s the main reason.  They lie - and yes Abbott also knows this (I’ll give him this - he’s not foolish enough to believe that kind of propogander from pro-lifers.  But he is dangerous enough to to use those lies to further his religious ideals).  Abbott as PM will NEVER happen - but I’m enjoying the circus of short term support he’s getting as it will only strengthen the resolve of the majority.

    • Iain says:

      08:19am | 08/12/09

      Apparently you haven’t heard of Andrew Bolt’s blog, which is hugely popular both here and overseas. It would easily outdo any Australian left-wing blog. Morever, there are plently of right-wing American blog sites which show that they can be very popular as well.

      As far as I can tell, this work of “journalism” if based on Penberthy’s own preconceptions, not on anything so boring as facts.

    • Peter M says:

      09:55am | 08/12/09

      qft. David you have been poned.

    • reality-based community 101 says:

      08:08am | 08/12/09

      Have you ever heard of

      The Corner (National Review Online)
      Hot Air
      NewsBusters
      Pajamas Media
      Big Government
      Michelle Malkin
      ?

      All conservative blogs; and out of the ~115,000,000 blogs indexed by Technorati, all among the top 25.

      And of course there’s the only Austalian blog to crack the top 50 (let alone the top 100), Andrew Bolt’s Herald Sun blog.

      By comparison, Mia Freedman’s blog is ranked 18,586th.
      Mia’s overall influence score on Twitter is just 59, compared to, say, Renai LeMay’s score of 68.

      Honestly, mister.  You shouldn’t just make sh*t up and run with it as fact - that’s a bad look.  Try doing some research next time instead of continually going with the Leftist meme-of-the-day.  Might help your credibility.

    • Greg S says:

      07:46am | 08/12/09

      I’m afraid you are projecting Voxpop.

    • bluecollar joe says:

      07:37am | 08/12/09

      Barack Obama was totally at home communicating ... in cyberspace

      Wow.  You actually fell for that?

      You mean he was good at hiring people to pretend they were him.  As he admitted in China last month, “I have never used Twitter.”

      Sucked in, ay.

    • richard mcenroe says:

      06:28am | 08/12/09

      Conservatives fear to tread on the internet?  Come onna my house…

    • James says:

      01:09pm | 07/12/09

      In short, Old Clive, they are going to have a very hard time.  For an example, take a look at that American evangelical who used to visit male prostitutes.  In a perfect world, they would all be punished for their discrimination and hypocrisy like that.

    • Old Clive says:

      11:29am | 07/12/09

      Thanks James, I was beginning to wonder if I was normal, now that I know that I am, I am wondering what all those homophobics are going to do when they find out that they are abnormal like all the homosexual Nutters and Lizards.

    • Old Clive says:

      07:39am | 07/12/09

      If homophobicis the name that normal people get tagged with, perhaps aname more derogatort should be coined to describe the misfits who can’t accept normal people, which one would fit the bill, stupid, antisocial, ignorant,
      funny I can’t see any of these as being too derogatory, can somebody please thing of one and let me know.

    • James says:

      10:01am | 07/12/09

      You are confused, Old Clive.  A person who is not homosexual (I guess that is what you mean by “normal”) is a heterosexual.  Got that one: heterosexual.  A homophobic is a homosexual who is so scared of what they are because a guy in a dress who talks about imaginary fairies tells them it is not normal that they must deny what they are, and in turn hate anyone who reminds them of that reality.  Got that one: a homophobic is a closet homosexual.  Just wanted to inject a bit of definitional clarity into your post.

      Thanks

    • Helen says:

      07:38am | 07/12/09

      Penbo… Chat rooms? Really? What decade are we in now? I haven’t seen a “chat room” for years. Presumably you mean blogs, internet forums and twitter?
      And what’s with referring to Mia Freedman as a “chick”?

    • Helen says:

      07:35am | 07/12/09

      David @ 10.06 05/12/09

      Tony Abbott is on record as saying that 100,000 abortions a year in Australia are too many and that we should be ashamed. Why is that a bad statement?

      Because it’s a lie.
      The approximate figure of 100,000 a year is based on the Medicare rebate serial number for a medical procedure that evacuates the contents of the uterus. Only a small fraction of these are related to elective abortions. The majority are for “natural” miscarriages (some might not know this but the hospital will usually do a D&C or similar procedure to make sure you haven’t retained any gunk which could cause infection).
      I can forgive the ordinary punter for being taken in by this but someone in Abbott’s position should know what the actual statistics are, so yeah, he lies.

    • Paul says:

      08:00am | 08/12/09

      Well then Helen if you are so all knowing and wise you tell us how many actual abortions take place each year in Australia.

      Actual number not assumptions now so that no one can call you a liar.

    • Radical Chick says:

      07:40pm | 06/12/09

      Meh so three women with a lot of time in their hands do not like Abbott…so what?? some of them will react like that but polls show that the majority of women can think for themselves and are willing to give Tony a go….C’mon…You already start the Labor Hit job on him???
      Come to think of it….Kev is a catholic too last time we saw it, and one that wants more G-d in the Labor party at that…..

    • Leo says:

      04:32pm | 06/12/09

      What did the labour government and Mr Rudd do? First signed the Kyoto agreement,which was out of date allready.Then a talkfest with the Thousand best and brigthest,and nothing coming out of it.Then saying sorry to the aboriginal population,and handing out $675 milion for housing and as of date not one single house built.Then Dr kevin was going to fix the hospital system,and it never has been as bad as now.Then Kevin the builder put all new signs at the outside of a lot of schools,but not a new teacher inside the schools,and now single handed he is going to change the climate for the betterment of the world!
      Like the chicken farmer will say ‘All cackle and no eggs”

    • DT says:

      12:08pm | 06/12/09

      The difference between Tony Abbott and Kevin Rudd? Tony is not acting and talks sense.

    • mcdazz says:

      08:07am | 07/12/09

      @D’oh:

      Nope - I just don’t like Tony Abbott.  And it’s not just because of his political beliefs either - the man has absolutely no morals and even manages to leave most politicians looking good (and do you know how hard that is?)

      Tony Abbott is no better than Mark Latham.

    • D'oh says:

      11:56pm | 06/12/09

      Been busy much mcdazz?  Do you get paid per post??

      Labor must be really scared of Abbott.  Keep smearing in your running rearguard tactic.

    • mcdazz says:

      08:09pm | 06/12/09

      Tony doesn’t act and makes sense?

      Really?

      Tell me, how many positions has Tony held on Climate Change?

      He was a believer, then he wasn’t, then he was a believer, then he wasn’t, and now he’s back to being a believer.

      Abbott changes his mind depending on who he is talking to.

      Ever listened to an interview with Tony?  He doesn’t make sense - he doesn’t get his facts right, he makes things up.

      I can recall Tony Abbott declaring that he’d never said that workers had lost protections under Workchoices - until video showed up of him saying that workers HAD lost protections under Workchoices.

      Tony Abbott lied then, and nothing has changed.

    • Razor says:

      11:22am | 06/12/09

      If he is so unpopular then it would appear he was thrashed with a wet tram ticket yesterday.

      Where is this outrage you are talking about?

    • Kevin Phillips says:

      11:01am | 06/12/09

      Freedman should take a pill or a vincents and have a good lie down. At least Abbott is being a person while Rudd tells what she wants to hear and then does something uncomfortable to our rear ends with his actions. I say good on him (Abbott) and I hope he doesn’t kow tow to over-politically-correct idiots who are consigning Australia to become something other than what our ancestors have sweated and bled to create. Many journalists today are better suited to a career in censorship due to their displayed tendencies to attempt to bend readers to adopt the same banality expressed in articles. Hopefully not all Abbott’s personal views are the official views of his party and we can rightfully expect democracy will prevent Libs from trying to tell women what to do with their bodies because that is a legacy of his chosen faith or at least the administrators of his faith. I’m just glad to see some commitment in a potential leader for a change.

    • Shelley says:

      09:14am | 06/12/09

      Abbott just being Abbott makes Kevin look like the weak little fairy he is. We want you to grab him by his little wings and halo and chuck him out. PLEASE.

    • mcdazz says:

      08:02pm | 06/12/09

      Ever noticed that Abbott looks like a chimpanzee?

      I’m still waiting for a gust of wind to pick Abbott up by the ears and dump him in the ocean where he belongs.

      I guess Joyce is his little mouse.

    • chris says:

      07:09am | 06/12/09

      @Pembo: being wrong realtime not your only prob-discovering your readers reactions must be disap’ting as well pearls/swine syndrome?

    • Lisa says:

      02:55am | 06/12/09

      Another vote for Tony Abbott.
      I hated that he turned down RU 486, but I also hate the culture that makes abortion a ‘rite-of-passage’ for some women.
      Our family networks need to be stronger.
      We should not expect young women and men to negotiate an essentially meaningless sexual culture / life as often as they do. Young people can be very vulnerable.
      Generally I support Abbott’s more thoughtful and honest response to family policy.
      In addition to this, he is certainly an all-rounder, which is a vastly refreshing change to the oft-described ‘policy wonk’.
      I appreciate Abbott’s ‘head-kicking’ reputation as the opposition certainly needs cut-through. The Labor party can claim no high moral ground, having really set the tone in misleading and just plain nasty politicking since their election.

    • Julian Thomas says:

      11:45pm | 05/12/09

      Liberal claim first victories of new era, this is delusional, the party get 51-55% roughly of the vote in electorates in which labor doesnt even run a candidate

      In Higgins, the seat formerly held by Peter Costello, fears that Kelly O’Dwyer would be forced to take preferences to win were unfounded when she won with a swing of less than 1 per cent “against her”.

      In some booths, the Liberals even increased their vote. Big Deal

    • Juju Maccas says:

      05:02pm | 06/12/09

      Aw don’t cry Julian - if labor was too short sighted to run a candidate in these seats then it’s their bad luck.  Go Tony, rid us of these whiney little greenies and labor tree huggers..

    • Radical Chick says:

      10:51pm | 05/12/09

      It appears that according to polls women are positive towards Abbott..why not he has the same views as Kev and he represents a conservative party?? I am willing to give this guy a go…..
      Let him make his case and see what he brings to the table. I LOVED when he apologized for failures in the past and request a new start with the public…I felt that was heartfelt and true. I look forward to assess his policies.
      Not all women are going to prejudge people on what the media says….and besides Abbott looks good!

    • Ricky says:

      06:03pm | 05/12/09

      I dont care what his views are.He will still get my vote.ANYONE, & i mean ANYONE would be better than Rudd.

    • al gore's kool aid says:

      05:46pm | 05/12/09

      The more the media hates on Abbott - the more I have time for him. This anti Abbott media rush may indeed backfire. Btw the only time is see Rudd in Australia is outside church giving news interviews. Rudd is a wannabee and Abbott doesn’t even have to try.

    • T.Chong says:

      04:27pm | 05/12/09

      To all the Right Punchers, take a deep breath and stop hyperventilating.
      Plenty of time to seeTony on the opposition benches, during the next 4 yrs .
      Some of you sound as bad as those pie eyed socialist, sorry, COMMIE Laborites who worship that air hostess abusing Rudd.
      Tonys a great guy.without doubt. Just ask the victims of James Hardy asbestos crime. Yep, lots of compassion and integrity shown there.

    • Voxpop says:

      02:07pm | 08/12/09

      Someone else mentioned the air hostess thing above trying to say women don’t like that example more than they don’t like some religious fundy telling them what they can and cannot do with their bodies (which by extension means how they should live their life - in servitude?) - it’s just some slim grab at anything to try making Rudd look bad.  I worked in hospitality for 10 years and abusive customers abound but when it is actually something where the waitress/air hostess is at fault then suck it up - you screw up then wear it.  Such a non event.

    • James says:

      09:55am | 07/12/09

      Do you like anything, T Chong?

    • Jaz says:

      03:01pm | 05/12/09

      Since when did trying to please all the people all the time become a virtue. Arguing against abortion is like heresy these days. Somehow being antiabortion became an attack on women’s rights. When did that happen? How did that happen? Like most I grapple with the philosophical and scientific definition of when life begins and ends. You do not need to be a catholic to have reservations and you defiantly don’t need people muddying the water with who has the right to terminate a life. Men have found it convenient to leave the choice to women lest they be branded a social pariah. While I’m yet to meet a woman who has not agonised over such a decision. With all that said…some how the debate over right and wrong became the domain of state sanctioned legislation…in some countries its 10 weeks, in others its 12…so now the state gets to decide what is the definition of a human being and when its OK to feel morally assuaged.
      I’m yet to see the same vehemency in the euthanasia debate. Where are all the socially savvy people who argue for the rights of the dying to end their own lives with as much gusto as they agreed that life begins at “x” weeks instead of ”y”.

    • Peter Hatsworthy says:

      02:29pm | 05/12/09

      Tony Abbott’s views on abortion are no different to Kevin Rudd’s, or for that matter, the new devout Catholic female Premier of NSW.

      If Abbott’s personal views on social issues are such a turn off for women voters, then how will they react to a women holding the same views occupying political office?

    • Voxpop says:

      09:37am | 08/12/09

      Personal views are not the problem - everyone has them.  The problem is Abbotts propensity to allow them to cloud his ministerial judgement - something he has proven time and again.

    • SW says:

      02:13pm | 05/12/09

      Yeah David - the online media is divided between young, smart left-leaning people and mad conservatives.  You’re spot on.  Penetrating analysis as always. I love how you never resort to unnecessary generalizations.  It really makes your writing come alive.

    • bluecollar joe says:

      08:16am | 08/12/09

      +1 Well said!

      By the way, I have only visited this blog a handful of times - each time, it was via a link from a conservative blog (in this case Tim Blair’s).

    • Lenny J says:

      01:33pm | 05/12/09

      Truthful? The mad monk? It is called ‘calling it as you see it’, not necessarily anywhere near the truth. Yes, Abbott will struggle to attract votes especially amongst reasonable people free of dogmatic, fundamentalist religious bias but then people did vote for Howard and look what a Machiavellian piece of work he turned out to be? Clever, for a while, till the electorate caught up.

      As always though, good luck to Mr Abbott. He will need more than just that. Politics is a funny business and he has made plenty of enemies already so don’t be surprised if he is also shafted before the next election.

      God only knows just how good at treachery the religious hard liners can be.  If he does survive the next one, he won’t win and then he will have run his race.

      Sadly, the reason why conservatism, as we see it practiced today, is so unpopular, is it represents a fundamentalist, extreme view of how things should be and do not at all reflect what society actually has become. Howard was taught that lesson but I doubt he cares much today.

      The job of Government is to govern for all its people not just protect the welfare of a narrow, self-interested group holding very outdated views reflecting a bygone era. It is not 1950 Australia or even 1850 Australia any more.

      BTW: I am no Labor voter nor a socialist or communist, but I am a concerned citizen interested in government for the good of all of the people.

    • Big Billy says:

      01:34pm | 08/12/09

      Lenny J I don’t know what you are but one thing I do know is that you do not vote for conservatives. I suspect you have never voted for conservatives unles you are 75 plus.

    • Jane says:

      01:10pm | 05/12/09

      Religious vilification…isn’t there a law about that? Like to see these lesbos slinging off at Islam etc and see the flack fly in defence.
      Tony must really be a threat to Labor to have to resort to all this nasty personal attack so far.

    • Voxpop says:

      12:34pm | 08/12/09

      Not a lesbo and not slinging off at religion either - only those that seek to impose religious ideals on a mostly non religious population.  So I guess you’d be happy if an MP with a belief in Islam were to introduce measures that allow polygammy or sharia law etc?  There’s many other archaic religious laws from different groups all of which I find just as unsavoury as Abbott’s.

      Abbott’s own words -
      Tony Abbott said he didn’t let his religion influence his politics.

      “Well, obviously people who have religious faith can and should be in politics,” he said this week.

      “But it is possible to separate the two in the sense that when I’m a politician I am moved by political considerations. If I was going to church, I would be moved by religious considerations.”

      BUT of course his political record contradicts this. :-(

    • Fran says:

      12:47pm | 05/12/09

      Kev’s got all the female votes wraped up. Yeh Right…...

    • Joel B1 says:

      12:18pm | 05/12/09

      Who cares, they wouldn’t have voted Lib anyway. And at least they serve to show how “hysterical” some people can get.

    • Dr Yadu Singh says:

      12:02pm | 05/12/09

      Whether we like him or not but we have to agree that he speaks his mind. He does not say something which he does not mean or believe in. He may evolve into the position and may be an effective leader. Let us wait and watch. I, for one, like his views on nuclear energy. If many countries in Europe depend heavily on nuclear energy and don’t have any problems then why can’t we? We have sufficient supply of Uranium and nuclear energy is clean! I am not a fan of Minchinites of Lib party and do hope they would moderate their right wing views/policies.

    • Helen says:

      03:24pm | 06/12/09

      The reason he stood against Hockey,(which he explained) is Hockey couldn’t gaurantee he wouldn’t support the ETS. Abbott said that because of that he would run against him. Abbott made that clear before the vote.

    • persephone says:

      11:54am | 06/12/09

      Oh wacky. He’s had about five positions on climate change and the ETS in the last few weeks; he said repeatedly that if Hockey stood for the leadership he would not challenge; he said in one presser that he should be judged on what he says and does from now on and in the next that everyone knew who he was and he wasn’t going to change.

    • Kinny says:

      11:24am | 05/12/09

      looks like al gore is bailing out of copenhagen, ruddy is looking more and more pathetic each day with his bogus policies. i can’t believe we voted this guy in and we thought americans were crazy to vote in bush x2.

    • Brian B says:

      11:14am | 05/12/09

      Maybe it’s Ms Freedman who is on crack. I for one will give the Mad Monk a go.

      At least he speaks truthfully about issues, is focused on outcomes rather than process and will take it up the our spin obsessed Prime Minister who is a control freak with a tendency for repetitive, boring, meaningless babble which produces little practical good Government.

    • D'oh says:

      10:55am | 05/12/09

      “Admittedly, there are a lot of mad conservatives thrashing around on the net, running blog sites arguing that climate change is not only a post-communist conspiracy but a sign of the coming apocalypse.”
      Lazy Penbo, how about you write a full-length objective article to clear the waters with some rational reporting.
      Back on topic, most of the women I know actually support Tony Abbott over Kevin Rudd.  When asked why the answers are short and simple:
      Scores
      Air Hostess
      As for his beliefs supposed stifling of individual freedoms, let’s talk ETS.  Two liberal senators crossed the floor to vote for the ETS.  Abbott promised that there would be no chastisement for this act.  In direct contrast, some Labor MPs and senators had expressed concern over the whole issue yet did not cross the floor for fear of retribution.  So, who is suppressing freedom and individual thought and who is not?
      “The following comment was in keeping with most of the 300-odd which had been posted by Wednesday night”
      You need to explore the blogosphere more Penbo.  There are blogs out there that make this look like a pot luck.
      “as he was always been one to speak his mind and front up for an argument.”
      Yep, and it unambiguous, non-pollie speak and does not seek to just win votes.  Standing up for principles and not the popular, easy vote…can’t have that now can we…
      It has been said already, but you write as though the women who hate Abbott are somehow the majority, they are not.

    • Morris says:

      10:37am | 05/12/09

      Web Women? and how many “Web Women” are there? Sounds like you think enough to cost Abbott any chance of winning an election. What crap.

    • Harry says:

      09:44am | 05/12/09

      For someone who is painted of not having much of a female following, he seems to be able to make them gush, have a look at Nicola Roxons face, and have you seen Julia Gillard’s blushing glances she gives him? I don’t think he is going to have much of a problem with the girls. I think Kevin might have that problem.

    • Jaz says:

      09:26am | 05/12/09

      David,
      Your right to reiterate the fact that the real revolution will not play out in the traditional media…and especially about the fact that the Politicians handlers are not paying attention to whats going on in cyberdom. I note that Punch rates “Hot issues” mainly by the number of posts…is that correct? Surly a metric is an easy method PPC’s to keep an eye out. As a suggestion Punch could also expand on some the metrics by giving a fore and against or +/- Score within the number that would further “help” the watchers.

    • Phil says:

      09:10am | 05/12/09

      David

      As I wrote on Mia’s web blog the other day, I personally find her writing on this issue deceptive and misleading.

      Unfortunately her audience, many no doubt as followers from her previous employment as a magazine editor, will believe this crap, and dote on her every word, just like many labor voters will believe anything Mr Rudd says. It’s the nature of the beast. As a fellow writer on this blog the other day stated, if Kevin Rudd (insert Mia Freeman) said that a shit sandwich was actually world changing chocolate, many would swallow and happily eat it.

      Anti Abortion. Many men and women are anti abortion. I am. You don’t find many pro abortion people walking down the street and approaching someone in their second trimester and suggesting they consider an abortion because they believe in pro choice. I do however respect a woman’s’ choice on the matter. Mind you this topic is very heated and will obviously be used by feminists to attack him. Counseling and a limit to the number of times this may be accessed should occur; say two or three could apply. For those that think this is tough, come on, unless rape occurs, sex is generally consensual, therefore protection/contraception is generally available. Surely a limit on tax payer funds is fair.

      He is not anti contraception, and she was proven wrong on this issue. Being catholic does not mean you must agree with everything the pope says.

      Anti IVF. I have no idea on his stance, but I personally agree with IVF when all other avenues have been exhausted. I am however not for it unless there is a committed relationship going on, preferably married. Unfortunately, some career women want to completely avoid men hence want a baby by themselves. I personally and probably most Australians disagree with this stance.  I also disagree with two gays wanting to use this as a means for a child. They can do it it’s just that I don’t want to pay for it. Look at the two lesbians in Canberra who got twins instead of one child and the furor that erupted over that.

      Mia might like to explain how and if Tony holds an anti stem cell view how this would only affect women? Maybe I’m misguided, but stem cells would help men and women combined. I have no idea on his views on this.

      No Fault Divorce. It’s currently too easy to walk away, particularly with children involved, forever harming any relationship that the child has with both parents. Rarely, but it does occur do both parents get on and not try and turn children against the other parent. The one with money will spoil the child, making the poorer spouse look like a scrooge. Not all marriages will work, I understand this and where violence or abuse if occurring, (but would trigger the fault clause she refers) then of course separate. Just like Abortion, counseling for a reconciliation should occur, prior to just I don’t like you anymore. From the viewpoint she wrote and oversaw for years, woman want commitment, just that when they get it they want to choose when to get out, hardly a fair streak. I understand many men do not play by the rules, but for god sake if they choose who to settle down with not just on the basis of the big O and his 6 pack, statistics might be better.

      He was also quoted as being anti Gay. I may not agree with being gay, but probably like Tony I don’t care what they do so long as they can go about their lifestyle in peace and quiet and not demonize those with what most Australians would call opposing views. They seem to wish to make a gay lifestyle mainstream rather than the fringe it is.

      So Mia is an inner city socialite now, and good on her, but most of her audience would not fit the same demographic.

      Tony will show you lefties that he is no pushover. He is not for an ETS. Other better systems must be available. Liberal’s may have misread the electorate on this issue is initially agreeing to negotiate with Labor, but most don’t want the added financial impost without the government explaining the system, what it will cost, now and into the future, but more importantly, what will be achieved, i.e. will the earth suddenly cool when this is enacted, no it won’t and they know it.

      Rudd is looking shaky, 51 boats this year, a new opposition leader who isn’t a yes man, look out we are in for fireworks.

    • cats says:

      03:14pm | 08/12/09

      “I may not agree with being gay”
      “They seem to wish to make a gay lifestyle mainstream rather than the fringe it is.”

      At first i became extremely annoyed with your homophobia, but then i realised that dinosaurs like you will soon die out, and the people who you believe “live in sin” will finally get their equal rights they deserve. I suggest you read this article: http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20427370.800-homosexual-selection-the-power-of-samesex-liaisons.html
      Homosexual activites occur frequently in the animal kingdom, why is it wrong to occur in humans?

    • Jolanda says:

      07:45am | 08/12/09

      Phil I must say that I agree with what you say.  It is too easy to abort, it is too easy to divorce, the wild and even gay lifestyle is being pushed onto society and in reality young and old people are needing more drugs and alcohol in order to cope.

      We need to clean up our act and put society on a better path.

      Education - Keeping them Honest
      http://jolandachallita.typepad.com/education/
      Our children deserve better

    • Phil says:

      06:55pm | 06/12/09

      6c legs. Thats your opinion to which you are entitled.

      SL I actually work for myself. I am not a member of any political party, although I do vote Liberal, as I would rather via hard work we all set out to achieve greatness, rather than selecting a standard and bringing those below up to and cutting those above down to.

    • S.L says:

      05:32am | 06/12/09

      And what position do you hold on Mr Abbotts staff Phil? Or is this The Mad Monk himself?

    • 6c legs says:

      02:11pm | 05/12/09

      crikey Phil, you sure do go on. I got bored with your drivel 3 sentences in…100 words or less. get the hint.

      Thanks Punch for the link to Mia’s tweet site. grin

    • David says:

      09:06am | 05/12/09

      Tony Abbott is on record as saying that 100,000 abortions a year in Australia are too many and that we should be ashamed. Why is that a bad statement?

    • cats says:

      02:55pm | 08/12/09

      maybe instead of being ashamed of the women who get the abortions, how about the men who rape the women who get pregnant and get abortions? I dare say a large amount of those would be the result of rape.

    • Jennie Coghlin says:

      09:04am | 05/12/09

      As long as Abbott can get rid of Kevin Rudd at the next election I couldn’t careless. Abbott is a down to earth aussie bloke with no spin, he’s the best thing to happen to the Libs in a long time.

    • Myeviltwindidit says:

      12:44pm | 08/12/09

      If all it takes to get people like Eleanor to leave the country is for me to vote a particular way then count me in.

      I disagree with Rudd, I think he has spent all of our money and is pledging even more to take us further into debt.

      However, leaving my country has never entered my head.

      If it has occurred to you, as it has to Eleanor, please make sure the door doesn’t hit you in the behind on your way out.

      The sooner the better

    • David Black says:

      06:24am | 08/12/09

      Threatening to leave the country if (insert name of bogeyman of choice) is elected is such a dumb cliche. It’s the sort of thing that brain-dead celebrities like Toni Collette say. And they never leave anyway.

    • Sue says:

      10:51am | 07/12/09

      Eleanor - the worst thing to happen to women in Australia? and why might that be? Rudd holds these same views, I think you are going to have to become an ex-pat as you said. The funny thing is women actually like Abbott. I’m a woman and he’ll be getting my vote.

    • Eleanor says:

      09:59am | 07/12/09

      Yes Jennie, but he’ll also be the worst thing to happen to women in Australia. If he should make PM, I’d seriously consider becoming an ex-pat.

    • mcdazz says:

      04:05pm | 06/12/09

      Tony Abbott is down to earth?  You have got to be joking.

      Tony Abbott thinks he is gods gift to the planet.

    • David C says:

      09:03am | 05/12/09

      I think the issue is we tend to give more weight to these pieces than they probably deserve. I am sure standing in front of 300 angry feminists/concerned young women would be very intimidating but is it right to extrapolate that to a majority of Australians?  Or even a significant number of Australians. We tend to hear only “our voices” but it tends to lead us to shutter out the majoirty view.
      For example over 500,000 people marched in Sydney against the Iraq War and the huge amount of copy that was published at the time was strongly against it. Net result John Howard won the next election.

    • punter says:

      03:40pm | 08/12/09

      An extremely insightful comment David C.

    • Olga says:

      08:58am | 05/12/09

      Anyone would be better than egomaniac Rudd as PM. I thought Rudd had the same opinion on these issues anyway? I bet you don’t hear Rudd saying anything about Abbotts views on these issues.

    • steve says:

      03:29pm | 05/12/09

      At least Rudd stands by his convictions. On the other hand we have Abbott whose opinions & beliefs are no more than ‘hyperbole’, re: his comment on CC denial.
      He is now a CC believer who believes mans contribution. Oh, that crap thing was just hyperbole. He also told us that workchoices is dead. That must have been hyperbole. Joyce too is now a CC believer & in mans contribution.
      So why would we believe anything but hyperbole spews out of his mouth. This man would probably do a moral backflip on everything he believes if he thinks that will win the election.

    • Millie says:

      08:44am | 05/12/09

      He is a thug,sexist and homophobic and will never get my vote.

    • Philip Crowley says:

      02:34pm | 08/12/09

      And you McDazz, have never done anything silly at university, have never played a game of football, and have never told an off colour joke? Is that right? A punch in a game of football does not make one a thug. According to Oxford: Thug: a violent person, esp. a criminal. That description does not fit Abbott, by any stretch of the imagination. I have never described Mark Latham as anything, let alone a thug. I suspect the thing that scares you most about Abbott is his clear intelligence (Rhodes Scholar), his ability to hold the government to transparent account and his clarity of communication, compared to the Prime Minister. I like the anecdote about the women’s meeting, that would have been hilarious. I hope Catherine Deveney was there : )

    • mcdazz says:

      09:43pm | 06/12/09

      @Philip Crowley:

      I suggest you do a bit of reading.

      Let’s see:

      - Tony Abbott once punched Joe Hockey on the football field
      - Tony Abbott once kicked in a glass pane at university
      - Tony Abbott was caught by two policemen while bending a street sign and had to face court - no conviction was recorded however the charge was proven
      - Tony Abbott believes women should stay at home and have children
      - Tony Abbott once stood outside a womens meeting telling homophobic and sexist jokes

      I could go but won’t - I’ll just say that if you thought Mark Latham was a thug, then Abbott is no different.

    • mcdazz says:

      08:17pm | 06/12/09

      @Philip Crowley:

      Millie didn’t say he assaulted anyone - she called him a thug.  I suggest you go and look up the meaning.

      It’s clear that you don’t know anything about the mad monk - I suggest you go and read up on him.

      And clearly you don’t know anything about Tony Abbott - I suggest you go and read about him.

    • Philip Crowley says:

      05:18pm | 05/12/09

      Proof Millie? Who has he assaulted? How is he sexist? Which particular homosexuals has he displayed a phobia towards? Are you sexist for disliking him, as an athletic man? Do you dislike him because he follows a mainstream religion? I doubt the conservatives would ever get your vote anyway, would they? It’s easy to throw mud, but it ends up making only you look dirty Millie.

    • Ben Haslem says:

      08:33am | 05/12/09

      “his first high-voltage pizzling in cyberspace”. Come on Penbo, 300 comments. He’d get more emails than that in a day. And Mia’s 13,000-plus followers: how many actually log into Twitter or Tweetdeck etc regularly? I agree his office should be monitoring and responding but get some perspective.

    • Nola says:

      08:30am | 05/12/09

      Is this the best you can do on dishing up some dirt on Abbott? If so it’s going to be dream run to the next election. This sort of rubbish could be said about Rudd as well, it’s because of their Christain Faith.

    • Eric says:

      07:51am | 05/12/09

      Newsflash! Journalists hate Tony Abbot. Film at 11.

    • paul says:

      06:36am | 05/12/09

      The day the Libs field a bikini clad Mom in the media, I will know pop- feminism and sense has arrived. Interesting off the radar read.

    • Dave C says:

      06:24am | 05/12/09

      David.. your right about this but a few points I would like to make.

      1) When Joe Hockey used Twitter to canvass opinion on the ETS he was canned by Julia Gillard by using that medium to gain opinion on such a serious issue and yet Rudd is usually applauded for his use of Twitter. It seems the Liberals are dammed if they do and dammed if they dont.

      2) Another Fairfax Journalist Miranda Divine wrote a brilliant column attacking left wing “abortion on demand” feminists for what they really are. I dont know the reaction to it but maybe there are less women out there who hate Abbott so much and its just the loud minority (like the ones who maintained the rage in 1975 but lost the election by a landslide) who are the ones using the media to dump on Abbott. Also Divine said that whilst Abbott holds these conservative catholic views he is also a pragmatist who would not put them into serious policy.

      Do fellow bloggers have any opinions on this????

    • Big Billy says:

      01:24pm | 08/12/09

      Dee You just don’t get it the noisy minority was shown to be the long suffering ,majority.At last count Abbott is the leader and Turnbull is now batting strongly for Goldman Sachs and the Carbon Credits.

    • Dee says:

      03:23pm | 05/12/09

      Yep! The analogy you just used is very apt for the way the Coalition have behaved since losing the election and especially so with their treatment of Turnbull.
      The loud minority could not accept the democratic decision, continued to destabilise & create mayhem to secure their way.

    • Lucie says:

      06:07am | 05/12/09

      Kevin Rudds opinion on abortion, etc is no different, they are both religious christians. That is why they have that view. You can say exactly the same thing about Kev. At least Abbott is more attractive to women than Kevin. This is a silly argument against Tony Abbott, when Kevin is no different.

    • bluecollar joe says:

      07:32am | 08/12/09

      “Abbott has already displayed his willingness to abuse his position of power to legislate in favour of the 20% minority religious view and go against the majority wishes.”

      So.  When Tony Abbott was Federal Health Minister he banned all contraception, outlawed all abortion and legislated for the re-criminalisation of sodomy, among other scary religious-y things?

      I did not know that.

    • Voxpop says:

      01:43pm | 07/12/09

      I dare say there would be several religious politicians that hold this view - but it is a personal view only and we are a secular country so it should have no bearing on how they form legislation.  The difference here is that Abbott has already displayed his willingness to abuse his position of power to legislate in favour of the 20% minority religious view and go against the majority wishes.  Even Howard wasn’t stupid enough to do that although he did let his lap-dog off the leash to do it for him - oops did I say ‘lap-dog” of course I meant ‘attack-dog’.  Rudd would not do that as he gets it that we are a secular country and he is elected to represent all of us or at least the majority.

      And who would be vapid enough to vote on who is more attractive?  While it’s certainly subjective, I find myself gagging at the photo of Abbott in speedo’s at least Rudd has the sense to keep his clothes on.  Abbott has been a serial offender with speedo’s - which I suspect is part of a narcissistic personality disorder.

 

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