A funny thing happened in Melbourne yesterday morning. A very senior politician answered a whole lot of questions in complete sentences, with barely an acronym, and without the repetition of a handful of sound bites.

There's very little that's normal about this picture.

This politician - to the surprise of some of the people in the room - even expressed an opinion on some issues. An actual opinion.

This aberration on the political scene didn’t so much as raise an eyebrow among the people who had seen her up close before. For the rest of us, however, it was quite shocking.

Hillary Clinton lives in a world most of us can never imagine. A world where red traffic lights present no hindrance and where “fun” is a 200 metre stroll along the Yarra with 100 staff, security and press pretending it’s all terribly ordinary.

It’s likely been a long time since the United States Secretary of State had to pop down the shops for milk.

Indeed she devotes quite a bit of discussion in her 2003 book Living History to the challenges of maintaining any sense of “normal” in the world inhabited by her and former President Bill Clinton.

Shortly after moving into the White House she made a pilgrimage to the Fifth Avenue apartment of former First Lady Jackie Kennedy for tips on how to raise a child in the First Family without totally ruining her.

The irony of this anecdote is that only a historical icon of the stature of Jackie O could relate to Clinton’s challenges in raising her daughter.

But somehow through all those years as First Lady, serving in the US Senate and now as one of the most powerful diplomats on the planet, she’s retained a skill that’s sadly lacking in our politicians – the ability to talk to like a normal person.

On whether she ever suffers self-doubt: “Everyone does, if you don’t I would worry about you.”

On politics as a popularity contest: “Could Abraham Lincoln have been elected President in the 21st Century … Could he have withstood the 24-hour news coverage but also everyone being a reporter with their own cell phone.” [Clinton also made the honest point it’s hard to get elected without the communication skills to get elected, and it’s hard for someone without ideas to govern.]

On modern parenting: “It is the case that we are perhaps limiting our childrens’ opportunities to explore and make mistakes,” and that kids now are “more worldly wise but with less personal experience.”

On Muslim attire for women: “There’s a difference between a head scarf and a burqa.”

On how to make marriage work in politics: “Have ground rules going into it on what you’re going to discuss.”

There was a hairy moment a bit later in the day when at a press conference about a joint initiative on renewable energy the Secretary of State used the word “specificity”, prompting a sharp intake of breath from those in the room still recovering from the reign of Mr Programatic Specificity himself Kevin Rudd.

But otherwise through a day when the Victorian Police chopper was never far out of sight or hearing, when the motorcade included 18 vehicles with more than two wheels and half a dozen outriders, and when two different suits were required, Clinton didn’t sound like a “politician” as we’ve come to know them.

It takes talent to be composed when you're the main attraction.

I don’t know if it’s practice, confidence, or just a natural personality trait – but listening to Clinton range across topics as diverse as managing stress, gay marriage, burqas and the great foreign relations challenges of our time, with such ease yesterday highlighted the barren desert that serves as political discourse in this country.

During the election campaign the closest we got to the “real” Julia Gillard and Tony Abbott was at the Rooty Hill town hall meeting – and having watched yesterday’s Melbourne Uni version with the Secretary of State – Rooty Hill was a pale imitation of a conversation.

And I think it’s our own fault.

In his recent book former UK Prime Minister Tony Blair wrote about the paradox of modern politics, where leaders wrapped up in a voter-free bubble, travelling everywhere in private planes and only interacting with carefully vetted people, are still expected to fulfil some sort of everyman ideal.

They don’t have time to do the grocery shopping, but we expect them to know the price of a loaf of bread.

Blair wrote of excruciating visits to the pub to be photographed drinking a pint and having cash thrust into his hand by staff before shopping expeditions in approved retailers.

We make them pretend our lives are just like ours when they can’t possibly be. It’s how we ended up with the split personality of Kevin Rudd – he had to pretend he wasn’t an ambitious policy wonk and it didn’t work.

And it’s how we ended up with the “real Julia” – or more to the point, her predecessor “focus group Julia”.

Add to this the confined strictures of caucus and party rooms, our politicians are so worried about saying the wrong thing, they spend an awful lot of time talking without saying anything at all.

Maybe it’s because she’s been in the political sphere for so long – but there’s a strong sense from Clinton that she says what she thinks, not what she thinks you want to hear.

It could be just an excellent trick that she pulls, or more likely it’s that she doesn’t pretend her life is anything other than what it is.

Clinton doesn’t apologise for being smart, or well-connected or powerful. She acknowledges her life is not like most people’s lives – and then she’s free to be herself.

We should let our political leaders off the hook too, and then maybe they’ll speak to us in more than sound bites.

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    • iansand says:

      06:04am | 08/11/10

      Our politicians are shit scared that our ridiculous media will inflate their slightest error into a threat to their career.  If you idiots accepted that our politicians are human beings and did not exaggerate the importance of minutiae they may break out of their robotic carapaces.

      Our politicians are the product of our stupid media and the nitpicking political culture where ideas are too scary to expose to daylight.

      And, as always when the media are criticised on this site there is a 75% chance this comment will not see the light of day.

    • Old Clive says:

      06:50am | 08/11/10

      We pay them enough money for them to be perfect and we even pay them to hire people to do research and think for them,we the mere normal people have to pay the price for our mistakes, why should these egomaniacs be any different, they were not forced into being politicians, they are all volunteers albeit overpaid ones at that, regardless of their arguments about being underpaid.

    • cok-on-the-hill says:

      07:30am | 08/11/10

      At least you’ve now got a better than 1 in 4 chance; many of my rather tame, but sometimes poignantly pointed, comments seem to vanish completely, such is the nature of the ‘blogosphere’, which makes it all so ‘con-veen-e-nt’ for the journos when they get such telling criticism as yours; and, I fully agree with you, mate.

    • Craig Lambie says:

      07:40am | 08/11/10

      @Iansands I have to disagree some what, although I agree with your comments, blaming the Australian press is pretty silly.  The press reflects society, not creates it.

    • The Badger says:

      08:37am | 08/11/10

      Craige
      You are right, the role of newspapers used to be to reflect society and once upon a time it did. Not anymore.
      You do realize we are talking about the Murdoch full fox press here?
      Your statement could just as easily say the Press creates news, not reports news.
      Innuendo, gossip, opinion dressed up and “shoved” into the news section of a paper is not good journalism. In fact, it’s just plain wrong.

    • Steven Tregacy says:

      08:40am | 08/11/10

      @Craig Lambie,

      The press reflects society, not creates it?

      Why was the Nazi propoganda so affective in Germany then? Does the China media reflect the thoughts and opinions of general society there?

    • TheRealDave says:

      11:36am | 08/11/10

      @Craig, the old dictum died out years ago back when ethical journalism sold is soul for a few silvers. While we are not yet anywhere near the levels of blatant stupidity of the US based Fox network, Uncle Rupert is slowly ramping it up here - go take a mosey of at The Australian and the unprecedented levels of stupidity re the NBN.

      Thankfully, I don’t think Australia would ever put up with the outright moronicness (yes, I made it up) of a Glenn Beck or a Bill O’Reilly. Maybe its because our limited Free Speech laws can’t be trampled all over and abused like in the US….for once, a reason to celebrate the fact we didn’t write it in as an absolute in our Constitution.

    • jeffb says:

      12:06pm | 08/11/10

      @Craig Lambie, While the ABC might reflect Australian society, the propaganda that comes out of the Murdock press only reflects one persons views and thats Rupert’s.

    • Richard says:

      01:29pm | 08/11/10

      You insidious leftists with your snide, “We don’t read Wynand (/Murdoch) Papers” campaign. Will you get over your insipid jealousy for the Titans of our world for one second and give Rupert Murdoch credit for creating a great empire?

    • jeffb says:

      03:18pm | 08/11/10

      Nice attempt to Godwin this discussion Richard.

    • SLD says:

      06:09pm | 08/11/10

      @Richard: What’s your point? All hail the titans?

    • Austin 3:16 says:

      06:57pm | 08/11/10

      Craig - if the media reported the facts and then left making an opinion about those facts up to it’s audience then you might have a point.

      But nowadays the media also provides us with an opinion.

    • C1 says:

      06:45am | 08/11/10

      ian,

      There was a 25% chance that you be the first cab off the rank for comments. Look what happened. Well done and I think your comment has struck a chord and I believe it has set the tone for the rest of the day.

    • Super D says:

      06:47am | 08/11/10

      I think this difference stems from compulsory voting.  Rather than seeking to increase the size of their own tribes with the strength of their ideas the political debate in Australia is focussed on the “swinging” voters in the middle.  The great “battle of ideas” is then transformed into the “battle of minutae” as our politicians battle for the whimsical support of the disinterested who in all likelihood wouldn’t bother voting for either side given the opportunity not to turn up.

      That being said I’m generally supportive of compulsory voting - it leads to more balanced and consistent policy in most areas.  I’m not sure how stable the country would be if power alternated between run by religious groups and rednecks and unionists and radical university students every few years.  It is however important to recognise the impact that compulsory voting has, while I would argue it is overwhelmingly positive, it is not without its cost.

    • Faz says:

      06:49am | 08/11/10

      In its own way, publication like The Punch are doing their bit to expose more than sound bites from our pollies.

      I can’t find an archive page, but it would seem that conservative politicians are ‘set free’ on The Punch much more than others.

      Can’t think why that’d be.

    • Dana says:

      06:49am | 08/11/10

      You have to also factor in the tall poppy syndrome that pervades Australia. In America, other peoples’ success is celebrated and those who have achieved are not compelled to bring themselves back down to the lowest common denominator in order to be liked (or tolerated!)

    • PJ says:

      07:17am | 08/11/10

      Hi Tory. Good comment——-but it is not our feeble press’s fault for pressuring our lot of dolts. Like one of the previous Secretary’s——-Ms Madeleine Albright, it pays to be smart enough and thus have a mind that does not allow one’s self to be intimidated.  Regards.

    • Mayday says:

      07:26am | 08/11/10

      The nail has been hit squarely on its head, thank you!

    • Tom K says:

      07:26am | 08/11/10

      Good piece, Tory. And Hillary is not afraid to show her temper, as well as her smarts. Remember last year when a student in India asked her what her husband thought about an aid project (bit of a translation problem), and she replied: “My husband is not secretary of state. I am. I am not channelling my husband.” But I agree we should let Julia be Julia!

    • Dani says:

      07:26am | 08/11/10

      For all its flaws, one great thing about American politics is that there is no “party line”. Republicans and Democrats alike vote against bills from thier own side and criticise their own leaders when they see fit. Similarly - I think the media there, being used to it, are a little more responsible with that kind of news.
      As has been mentioned by many others, if a pollie did that here it would all be “Party splits, leader in danger” or whatever, rather than encouraging public discussion.

    • Shane From Melbourne says:

      08:23am | 08/11/10

      And then we watch Presidents like Obama get caned for achieving little despite holding majorities in both houses of Congress. His worst enemies were not Republicans who were expected to block anything Obama put up but conservative Democrats who sided with them. Thus the drubbing that the Democrats received in the November elections….

    • TheRealDave says:

      03:15pm | 08/11/10

      Please Dani, don’t go pointing at the US system for any alleged benefits over ours. Thank christ our system isn’t as stuffed as theirs. You can only point and laugh at a system where important legislation the elected majority government wishes to put into effect gets thwarted by some hillbilly who can get up and speak for the required time it takes to fill the speaking time till the end of a session of sitting so that the law cannot be passed.

    • Holly says:

      07:42am | 08/11/10

      You only have to watch “NewsHour” on SBS to realise that there can be a very different approach to media reporting and interviews.  It is very refreshing to watch a program where politicians are asked intelligent questions in a measured way and do not interrupt with their own agenda while the questions are being answered.  I do not think it has anything to do with the voting system.  It has a lot to do with valuing your audience and not treating them like idiots.  Here we seem to have to rely on shock jocks, media interviewers with seemingly no background study in government or politics, who have done no background research on an issue ask embarrassingly puerile questions.  Even on the ABC most interviewers consistently interrupt with their own perjorative spin, preventing politicians from actually fully answering questions.  Even so called “leading political reporters” are so enamoured of their own views that they constantly tweet during speeches and press interviews.  It is so infuriating that the media consumer is treated in this way.

    • St. Michael says:

      11:27am | 08/11/10

      Amen to that.  If I have to listen to another “interview” featuring Lyndal Curtis I think I’m going to shoot my radio.

    • nosthow says:

      08:19am | 08/11/10

      The Liberal Party put out some grand propoganda Tors claiming free speech within their ranks but nothing could be further from the truth. Under Howard anyone who spoke out against him was immediately on the outer and under attack from lightweights such as Heffernan. I remember poor little Barnaby getting chased down a corridor in Parliament house by a screaming Heffernan fo daring to speak out against the great man. The Libs, in power in only one state of Australia (WA) , finances dwindling ( down to$1 mill according to a report today) and having just suffered the resignation of the Federal Treasurer Michael Yabsley are today a huge mess. On top of that they are led by a 3rd rater in Abbott who lost the unloseable elecion !

    • MarK says:

      10:00am | 08/11/10

      Apart from the usual off topic revelations that you hate the right you are a liar

      “On top of that they are led by a 3rd rater in Abbott who lost the unloseable elecion !”

      Look at what you posted election eve.

      ”  nosthow says:

        01:52pm | 19/08/10

        A comfortable Labor win I feel Colgo mainly because its only the Labor Party that has any real policies and vision for Australias future - Abbott and the Coalition just have nothing. Its a long time since I saw someone trying to become PM with no real platform as is Abbotts case and the wise Australian people will I believe see through that flimsy fabric of spin he presents as policy and vision.”

      At least if you are trying to spin get the spin sort of sorted out in your own postings.

    • nosthow says:

      10:57am | 08/11/10

      @MarK - there you go again Marky being a bad sport and not acknowledging the real facts fella. How sad. Look Marky why dont you start your own political party , the MDP (Marks Denialist Party). No all the facts in my original blog are in the papers Marky - I know its harrd for you to accept them you poor sod but thats what you must do Marky ! hahhhhhhhhhhhh

    • MarK says:

      11:46am | 08/11/10

      Yes nosthow all the facts are there.

      You lie and spin and make it up as you go along.

      Always happy to point out the ridiculous ones for you.

      You are lying in the spin that Abbott lost the unlosable election.

      That is all.

    • Jason says:

      01:12pm | 08/11/10

      If this is how you conduct an argument Nosthow (silly sniping personal comments, straw man thrashing and personal opinion masquerading as facts) then I am not surprised that you are largely dismissed as a party hack with nothing to offer.  Reminds me of all the highly intelligent lefties who used to misspell Turnbull as though it was some incredibly clever piece of language manipulation.  Empty vessels make the most noise I guess.

    • TheRealDave says:

      03:21pm | 08/11/10

      You mean like JuLIAR, Joolya etc that the intellectual Right use here
      Jase?

      wink

      For the record, I like using The rAbbot and Turdball…cause its funny…  :p

    • Qingming says:

      08:39am | 08/11/10

      ‘our ridiculous media’ ?? 
      Yes - OUR media! If we toleerate or even - gasp of horror - create and participate in the media, then it’s not our ‘ridiculous media’ - it’s us!!

      On the other hand let’s not forget the media’s treatment of politicians in the US, particularly during Presidential races - it focusses on muckraking and personal attacks, even to the level of calling Chelsea Clinton names. I think US politicians have their own problems with the media - maybe she just sees the Australian media as mindless and not worth being concerned about?

    • Zeta says:

      08:43am | 08/11/10

      Making a comparison between Hillary Clinton and any Australian politician is kind of embarrassing. We don’t have anyone like that.

      Great players go where the stakes are highest. And if you’ve got the potential to be a great politician in Australia, why waste your potential on the comparatively low stakes of Australian politics?

      An Australian as capable as Hillary Clinton is not going to stay in Australia to be a politician in charge of a budget merely a fraction of that of the world’s largest corporations.

      You can’t blame it on the media, the media just report what’s already there - and what’s there is the B-Team. The short bus for political contenders. It’s all very entertaining, but it’s really just watching clowns warm up the crowd for the high wire artists.

      As Julian Assange said when asked why he has no real ties to Australia - ‘We’re a suburb of the nation of Anglo-Saxon’ - and that makes our politicians little more than scrappy local councillors.

      If the media is at fault for anything, it’s for putting these glorified middle managers on a pedestal at all.

    • fairsfair says:

      12:19pm | 08/11/10

      Holy Zeta - It may not be much, but it is all we’ve got! Wouldn’t it be better for people to be laughing at us for the fact that a “scrappy local councillor” is mimicking one of the “big boys”? KRudd did that - oh how we laughed.

      I would much prefer that than the current cause of laugher - our inability to organise a root in a brothel with a fist full of fifties.

      Meanwhile… I didn’t think it would be possible - but Julia wins the best dressed award out of the two of those. That ill fitting orange pantsuit coupled with whatever that was she disembarked the plane in is far worse than anything our Julia has been sporting.

    • JIM says:

      08:52am | 08/11/10

      It appears that many people think it is the system that creates Australian politicians that are fake cant have a decent conversation.  I was at a party recently that had 3 current members of Parliament (2 State, 1 Federal) and I can confirm that they really are fake and unable to hold a conversation.  It isn;t the system that creates them - the system just attracts those people.  Any normal person wouldn’t want the nonsense that is politics. 

      Mind you, I suspect that much of that nonsense is self perpetuating.  Politicians talk about how busy they are and how much they have to do.  The reasons they have these problems is that they generally dont know the first think about management.  In the private sector there are plenty of people who can work a 38 week and get more done, make more decisions and run better organisations that any politician can.  It is there own incompetance that makes the system so unattractive.  I guess it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy.

    • Saskia says:

      09:07am | 08/11/10

      What a crystal clear example of how bad our appalling PM is with her barely intelligible spin and double speak vs the crisp clear and non-scripted Mrs Clinton.

      Also great to see a respectful Q&A session with intelligent questions.  Contrast that to QandA where anyone not left-wing is personally vilified, attacked with loaded questions, outnumbered on the panel and generally booed by the twits in the audience.

      We have go so much to learn in this country.

    • Ras Putin says:

      02:45pm | 08/11/10

      We see and hear only what we wish to see and hear Saskia.. Am i right ,or am i right?

    • retired says:

      09:17am | 08/11/10

      Ms. Clinton may be a politician, but the (not so) subtle difference is she holds an office by virtue of appointment, not election. She may have aspirations to be elected again (as president) but it won’t happen if Obama is re-elected. Nor will it happen if he’s not. So Ms. Clinton’s next shot at election is 6 years away. Ms. Gillard is facing electors every day, not to mention having to measure up to the Green standards.

    • simple girl says:

      09:21am | 08/11/10

      Please let us know where our Julia shops for clothes. I will immediately ask my credit card provider to treat any purchase at such stores as fraudulent. No-one with any sense could dress that badly.

    • ABC says:

      10:01am | 08/11/10

      I know!  Standing next to Hilary with that gaping hideous one button suit top number she looks completely like the second rater that she is.  To those that say that her wardrobe shouldn’t be commented upon, I am afraid that it does.  It goes to the fact that Gillard is not every projecting and even remotely statemenslike gravitas, from both her pathetic “I don’t know much about foreign affairs” waffle, to that ridiculous waving of palms like a drunken semaphore signaller, to he propensitity to wear truly terrible attire, it it goes towards the image.  And her’s states that “I’m a second rater”.

    • Morticia G. and Alice C. says:

      09:28am | 08/11/10

      If I were Gillard, I wouldn’t hang around with the smooth-talking, slick Clinton. The stark contrast makes Gillard appear even more pathetic.
      Morticia Addams and Alice in Wonderland on the same stage.  What a hoot.
      It would be even more funny if their ridiculous appearances were not so costly to respective taxpayers. 
      I don’t know how Gillard can preach carbon taxes yet continue sky-polluting.  Both of them jetting around the world talking utter nonsense. 
      They should all spend some time in their own countries, video conference via NBN (that we’re paying through the nose for isn’t it) and do some work.

    • Rosie says:

      09:29am | 08/11/10

      Great article Tory but when it comes to politics there is no comparison with our female politicians to the experienced “Hillary Clinton.” As a female I can only speak for the female gender because of some of the points that you have mentioned.

      “On politics as a popularity contest: “Could Abraham Lincoln have been elected President in the 21st Century … Could he have withstood the 24-hour news coverage but also everyone being a reporter with their own cell phone.” [Clinton also made the honest point it’s hard to get elected without the communication skills to get elected, and it’s hard for someone without ideas to govern.]

      On modern parenting: “It is the case that we are perhaps limiting our childrens’ opportunities to explore and make mistakes,” and that kids now are “more worldly wise but with less personal experience.”

      Take for example our first female PM, Gillard wouldn’t have been elected during Abraham Lincoln’s time because of the way in which she and others from the Labor party couped to oust the country’s elected PM. Once she became PM, it was somehow accepted because we are living in the 21st century so withstanding the 24 hour news coverage and everyone being reporters with their own cell phones etc shouldn’t be a problem if you are honest with yourself and have principles to stand for.

      Clinton was right when she was honest enough to point out that in the 21st century it was a hard task to get elected without the communication skills to get elected and harder for someone without ideas to govern. Gillard would never know because she was selected by the faceless men to become our PM and installed by 2 Independents to form a minority Govt. As for ideas she hasn’t come up with anything, she says her passion is “education” but when choosing her ministry she left out a minister for her beloved “education” until the media reminded her.

      Gillard had the chance to be herself when she boldly told the world that she was an atheist, prepared not to have children because of her choosen career and moved into the Lodge with her boyfriend but chose to stop there in what she really stands for, for fear of “political sucide.” Therefore Gillard wouldn’t have a clue what Clinton was talking about when she had to have tips on how to raise a child in the first family without totally ruining her or how to make a marriage work in politics. These are commitments, the high profile career, motherhood, marriage and wife that Hillary Clinton have choosen to carry out successfully.”

    • iansand says:

      10:02am | 08/11/10

      What did I say about nitpicking political culture?  Obsession with crap that just doesn’t matter.

    • The Badger says:

      10:07am | 08/11/10

      Rosie
      “Take for example our first female PM, Gillard wouldn’t have been elected during Abraham Lincoln’s time because of the way in which she and others from the Labor party couped to oust the country’s elected PM”
      Huh?
      Actually rosie, the reason Gillard couldn’t be elected in Lincoln’s time was much easier to explain. It wasn’t until 1917 that the first woman, Jeannette Rankin was elected to federal government in the US. This is truly a remarkable achievement considering women weren’t given the right to vote until 1920.
      I must congratulate you on managing to squeeze in that atheist, boyfriend, lodge thing. I knew it was coming as I read your scattered thoughts. I just had to wait, wait, wait for it.

    • Davida says:

      10:48am | 08/11/10

      @Rosie,
      “As a female I can only speak for the female gender”.  Please speak for yourself and not as a representative of the gender we share.  You do not reflect my views and your ongoing obsession with the PM’s sex life and reproductive status borders on the pathological.

    • Rosie says:

      02:48pm | 08/11/10

      My Oh My I always expose the Gillard lovers everytime I mention the facts! Too bad we live in a democractic society which enables me to vent as I please!

      What if I agree with Caz in that I have no respect for Gillard because; “Julia Gillard by comparison to Clinton in the political sense is going down KRudd’s track of saying nothing, standing for nothing and just repeating the same rehearsed crap over and over!”

      I may not have respected KRudd as a politician but huge respect for him as Australia’s elected PM who was happily married and living in the Lodge at the expense of Australia’s taxpayers!

    • Kath says:

      02:49pm | 08/11/10

      @Rosie - there’s a slight difference between the US and the Australian systems.  In the US, the President is an elected office, of which anyone who meets the qualifications contained in the Constitution is eligible to seek election.  In Australia the Prime Minister is an office appointed by the Governor-General, acting as the Queen’s Representative, as a member of the Executive, who “has the confidence of the House of Representatives”.  According to your logic, Australia would never have had Billy McMahon as Prime Minister either… although some would say that’s no bad thing.

      Oh, and in terms of making a marriage work in politics - read some books about the Clintons not written by them; there’s an awful lot about their marriage that we don’t know (and with respect, don’t need to know) about what goes on, what sacrifices have been made and by whom.  Saying that Secretary Clinton “have choosen to carry out successfully” is an assumption on your part.

    • TheRealDave says:

      03:28pm | 08/11/10

      Ahh Rosie, trotting out the atheist, barren, unmarried backstabber horse again?

      Your ‘family man’ lost the election remember? Its over. You can let it go now. The 1950’s called, they’d like you back…..and then I need to return this joke back to 1997.

      Also, Joolz would never have been elected in 1860…seeing as though women couldn’t even vote back then let alone stand for election. But hey, why be picky?

      wink

    • Ask a stupid question says:

      04:56pm | 08/11/10

      Rosie’s unhealthy obsession continues to ... obsess.

      Unmarried ? Check.

      Childless ? Check.

      Living in sin ? Check.

      So, tell us how you feel about Julie Bishop, Deputy of the Liberal party, Rosie.

    • MarK says:

      07:35pm | 08/11/10

      I like Kath she lives in the land of Delusion where “the Prime Minister is an office appointed by the Governor-General, acting as the Queen’s Representative, as a member of the Executive, who “has the confidence of the House of Representatives”. “

      How quaint she believes this.

    • NicoleG says:

      08:28pm | 08/11/10

      Will you left leaning luvvies get off Rosie’s back. This is where you can voice what you feel. Everytime Rosie states how she feels, you jump all over her. It’s her opinion, it’s how she feels, so leave her alone. Does she ever abuse anyone? NO. All she does is voice her own opinion and all you do is barrage her with your left wing shit. She is uncomfortable with how it is. So fakken what?

      @Ask a stupid question, last time I checked, Julie Bishop was Deputy Opposition leader. So why would she be living in the Lodge?

    • Ask a stupid question says:

      09:23am | 09/11/10

      I said living in sin, Nicole, not the Lodge.

      p.s. Leave Rosie alooooooooone !

    • Scarneck says:

      09:35am | 08/11/10

      I admire Hilary and her husband. I don’t believe it’s the political ideology we are drawn to but more the individual personalities of such people. I disagree that Australia has no politicians of similar ilk…Stephen Smith and Tony Burke come to mind.  If Hilary ever comes back to Australia she may well be flogging Banana’s!

    • No thanks. says:

      04:52pm | 08/11/10

      Not so admirable the Clintons flaunting their immense wealth to the American public (enduring 9% unemployment) while they lavish wedding millions on their daughter. 

      And remember, Bill Clinton was the one who advocated that everyone was entitled to a mortgage and look at the long-term results - people borrowing money beyond their means, regardless of their ability to repay.

      Pity Australia if we look for politicians here of “similar ilk” - pity help all of us - tax and spend into oblivion.

    • Anjuli says:

      10:09am | 08/11/10

      I thought Hillary Clinton was very measured and articulate in her answers ,then that is what you would expect given her education and experience . Out PM just drones on and turns people off she is also hampered by the party machine, our politicians look quite parochial in comparison.
      As for the person who said she was honoured to be in the same room as Hillary ,I could have vomited.

    • Ryan says:

      11:00am | 08/11/10

      All I can say is OH MY! Perhaps Gillard should try and avoid showing her face in the same context as Hillary Clinton because all it does is show how pathetic Gillard actually is. How embarrassing for us all.

    • MarK says:

      11:50am | 08/11/10

      So we are now in love with an American who has come to our shores and speaks well.

      Gosh….all sounds familiar, except for the visit part.

      Can someone please list me Mrs Clinton’s achievements. Apart from being good at the mike and reasonably forthright?

      What has she actually done?

    • jeffb says:

      01:05pm | 08/11/10

      I’m not sure you fully understand how the American Government or politics in general works MarK.

    • MarK says:

      02:18pm | 08/11/10

      Does anyone have a Hilary achievement?

      Please.

    • jeffb says:

      03:50pm | 08/11/10

      Im pretty sure she invented the internet bro!

    • Sam says:

      09:07am | 09/11/10

      She inspires people, Mark. To do better, and to help others. That’s a big achievement in my book.

    • MarK says:

      03:15pm | 09/11/10

      So she inspired some people according to Sam.

      Yes that is good. Sincerely.

      No other takers I see. Sort of proves the point I guess.

      She talks pretty. Got it. And is of the left. Check.

      Interestingly when she said she was not really happy with the burqa or hijab that was treated with sage nods. When Bernadi said it he was a oppressive racist slime ball.

      When Clinton said she was of the opinion marriage was a union between a man and a woman another round of nodding ensued.

      When Abbot says it he is a throwback to to 50’s where woman were chained to kitchen (apparently) and times were horrible and he is treated like some form of communicable disease.

      The message is lost on these imbeciles. It is just the messenger they react to.

    • jeffb says:

      11:59am | 08/11/10

      Tory, when will the media stop covering personality over policy?

    • hot tub political machine says:

      01:19pm | 08/11/10

      Well when we scroll through these comments you can see that many on here are interested in things like the clothes the PM wears and her gesticulation habits. Could it be we are getting what we deserve from our media?

      In the words of Jack Johnson “We only recieve what we demand and if we want hell, then hell is what we’ll have”

    • jeffb says:

      03:16pm | 08/11/10

      Thats debatable considering circulation numbers but also very true.

    • KillerK says:

      03:37pm | 08/11/10

      Wouldn’t the politician in particular actually have to have a personality?  Jooolia can only speak like she’s a school teacher “talking down” to naughty students.  Personality - nil.  Looks like you’ll have to cover policy instead….. Oh that’s right!  Jooooolia doesn’t have any policies either…  Good weather isn’t it..  I wonder what’s for dinner?

    • jeffb says:

      05:02pm | 08/11/10

      I bet you thought that was really witty when you were typing it up.

    • pam says:

      12:12pm | 08/11/10

      Thanks to Clinton for answering my onlone web question on television with clarity and simplicity. great response!!!

      yes it was mine and great to see that there was no drama associated with the Melbourne visit!!

      Bring on Obama!!!

    • Caz says:

      12:26pm | 08/11/10

      I happened to turn the TV on when Hillary Clinton was being interviewed on ABCNews 24.  It is great to see Tory and others as impressed as I was - she presented as incredibly articulate and smart across such a broad range of issues raised from the floor, with a sense of humour to boot.  Julia Gillard by comparison is going down KRudd’s track of saying nothing, standing for nothing and just repeating the same rehearsed crap over and over…......

    • Lisa H. says:

      12:35pm | 08/11/10

      You must be the ‘other’ Tory. An interesting and worthwhile subject.
      Yes, our politics and our politicians are not very sophisticated. Which is personally confusing, as I spent the greater part of my youth congratulating myself for living in a democracy with compulsory voting.
      Guess it’s up to you, Tory, to help lift the level of political discussion in this country.

    • Tony of Poorakistan says:

      01:32pm | 08/11/10

      She looks like she spent the last 30 years with the Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh in the orange people.

    • Sadiq Farris says:

      02:28pm | 08/11/10

      Do politicians know how to be themselves?

    • Jay says:

      02:58pm | 08/11/10

      Our politicians have lost the ability to articulate a position, and this is why Bob Brown and the Greens are so popular. He says what he thinks despite the potential fall out, and now that has struck a chord with people. Abbott is stuck in the 50’s and his views are out of date and do not reflect our times. Julia stood up and said she is an athiest and that struck a chord with people that maybe she was being honest. Now she can’t answer a simple question without giving a tem minute answer. I can guarantee you though that any Presidential candidate that stands up states that they are an athiest will never get elected. That is the difference between Australia and the US.
      Julia just agree to gay marriage and let’s move on to more important things.

    • James says:

      03:25pm | 08/11/10

      Great article. Totally agree with you. Keep up the great work.

    • Feline says:

      03:35pm | 08/11/10

      What was with Hilary’s Orange Suit?

    • Ask a stupid question says:

      05:53pm | 08/11/10

      Probably warmer than wandering around naked, and more legal. What was with your question ?

    • Rick says:

      05:32pm | 08/11/10

      Tory it is people such as yourself who have created the situation where politicians are so careful about what they say.  As soon as any politician says something that is something other than boring and banal you and your journalistic ilk are on them like a tonne of bricks.  They are pilloried as having moved beyond the mainstream or are demonstrating that their is a split in their relevant political party and that that party is divided and in turmoil.
      You criticise parties for being focussed group driven but if they dare take unpopular stances you and your colleagues are the first to say they should be listening to the people.  Presumably the focus groups are not made up of real people.
      Journalists praise politicians who can express themselves in the 30 second grab but criticise a politician who takes the time to express an idea and the reason for it.
      Apparently journalists don’t have a concentration span beyond 30 seconds.
      The problem isn’t the politicians.  The problem is journalists who prefer glib slogans to reasoned argument.

    • Gregg says:

      07:14pm | 08/11/10

      You haven’t fallen into I love everything American trap have you Tory?
      First of all Clinton could be described as an ex politician, one selected to be Secretary of State and not voted in, having already been voted out in the Democrats Presidential Cabdidate election.
      She has announced that she will not continue as the SOS for a second Democrats term, not that that there will be one is guaranteed and so within reason she can probably get away with saying just about anything and even wear her version of a Guantamano Bay jump suit.
      Just taking some of the quotes:
      ” Shortly after moving into the White House she made a pilgrimage to the Fifth Avenue apartment of former First Lady Jackie Kennedy for tips on how to raise a child in the First Family without totally ruining her. “
      Padding for a book and she had already been a governor’s wife!
      ”  she’s retained a skill that’s sadly lacking in our politicians – the ability to talk to like a normal person. “
      Come on now, have a look at a few on programs like Q & A.
      ” [Clinton also made the honest point it’s hard to get elected without the communication skills to get elected, and it’s hard for someone without ideas to govern.] “
      It could be said that those with poor ideas just govern badly and US politicians are no different to Australia’s or those of other nations in that regard.
      It’s so easy for people to suck up to throw away lines if they want to
      ” On modern parenting: “It is the case that we are perhaps limiting our childrens’ opportunities to explore and make mistakes,” and that kids now are “more worldly wise but with less personal experience.”
      Ooooh please! and even Sammy would have given that an ” Oooooh really “

      On Muslim attire for women: “There’s a difference between a head scarf and a burqa.” - a double or perhaps triple ” Ooooh really “
      Crikey!!!!

      ” There was a hairy moment a bit later in the day when at a press conference about a joint initiative on renewable energy the Secretary of State used the word “specificity”, prompting a sharp intake of breath from those in the room still recovering from the reign of Mr Programatic Specificity himself Kevin Rudd. “

      Talking specifics, we had Rudd promoting great $$$$$ for research into storing CO2 underground whereas the process for the storing part is already known, even if it is not known how secure it could be, but the real issue will always be capturing it from 1000C or whatever coal combustion gases, something of a gaseous bubble dream.
      Now we have the spruiking on Oz taxpayers stumping up Solar research which is already down the track about half a century.
      If Orange Suit is so fluent, perhaps she could have been asked for some specificity and that would have brought an interesting response to which no doubt Gillard could help along with we’ll be ” moving forward on that with dialogue to solve it “
      More taxpayers’ $$$$$$ for what?

      Just like the NBN, it would be a good move if it was known what all the talk was about, what it will do and what id the cost to be?

    • Heléna says:

      08:59pm | 08/11/10

      it would be great if we actually had more politicians that had the balls to be themselves

    • Bruce says:

      09:05pm | 08/11/10

      Hillary Clinton, classy act. However, you would have to be great to compete or beat the corrupt US system.

    • Holly says:

      12:29am | 09/11/10

      I admire Hillary so much, and my appreciation deepened after watching her at Swinberg.  She effortlessly went from one interesting topic to another in a warm, folksy but intelliegent manner. 

      She even cracked jokes!  Good ones.  Appropriate, even topical jokes: like the vegemite joke, but wasn’t trying to be smart or funny.  She just IS. 

      A great natual communicator who answered questions without seeming to try and push a secret agenda.. Pure class.  Someone who is born to do that job. 

      I normally liken most Australian polly interviews as a ‘boxing fight’, and at the end of the interview, I silently guage the winner.  And there always is one. 

      O’Brien and Abbott.? Abbott tried to get smart, but O’Brien won. 
      O’Brien and Rudd.? O’Brien won again.  He wants to win as well.

      Usually there’s a Labor and Liberal member being interviewed at the same time on say, Lateline.  One guy usually tries to hog all the limelight. (say C.Pyne).  The other manages to get a nasty little dig in, and ends with the last word on the subject.  I can imagine their entire office, and family gathered around the TV watching this ‘fight’, and claiming “yeah, he won’.

      Whatever question they are given, they answer by unleashing some hidden agenda - and pushing some information, they feel needs to get out. 
      If the info or spin, seems to actually answer the given question, then it’s usually by coincidence, rather then design.

      Will we ever have our own Hillary?  Rudd had the ‘smarts’ to give a beautiful answer.  Remember the debates?  But was abyssmal when stressed, and seemed to loose the plot.  Confidence is sexy.  Ask Hillary.
      Gillard, Abbott, Hockey…  may have the confidence, but not the ‘smarts’.

      Maybe Turnbull could be our Hillary!!!  He’s worldly, has an opinion on everything, and is funny and engaging.

    • BobbyDan says:

      04:20am | 10/11/10

      Maybe we could get Hillary to run a coaching school for our pollies?

    • Ethan says:

      04:36pm | 09/11/10

      Tors, there is no doubt Clinton was impressive in the Q&A session with Leigh Sales, however this is the result of having no pressure to perform in front of your own electorate.  One simply needs to look at Clinton’s performances during the 2008 Democratic Primaries for the Presidential elections, which were full of populist sound bites and slogans.  Clinton is an intelligent woman.  There are many intelligent people in our parliament with various points of view, however they feel constrained to voice their opinions, fearing the relentless “15 minute media cycle”.

 

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