Can our politicians win elections based on good old-fashioned debate and sound policy, or will they continue their crass cash contests of aggressive marketing campaigns bank-rolled by the wealthy?

And once in office, how can we prevent politicians coming under undue influence from donors at the expense of the interests of their constituents and the broader public?

Until recently, reforming the system of political funding has been the elephant in the room for our esteemed elected representatives. They’ve been acutely aware there is a problem, but reluctant to talk about it.

But that’s all changing in Canberra and around the nation. Premier Bligh has brought the issue to the top of her agenda, Premier Rees announced on the weekend that he’d be banning developer donations (although not mining, tobacco, gambling, liquor or other dubious sources of donations) and in Canberra politicians are privately discussing what kind of reform will be possible to pass in the Senate.

Not only can donors in the current system fund politicians in unlimited amounts, but little transparency is offered in a regime that allows donations below a threshold of $11,200 to remain undisclosed.

The news is, the public are switched on to the problems our broken election funding system creates - and they want change.

Over 27,000 GetUp members have signed a petition calling for an end to corporate donations – they know there is a problem that must be fixed.
Recently, GetUp conducted research on broader public perceptions with polling group Auspoll. Our research found that the majority of Australians – 67% - think that companies who donate to parties have undue influence on elected representatives.

86% of those polled want a limit on the amount of money that political parties can spend on federal election campaigns to avoid ballots becoming the escalating cash contest that we’ve witnessed in the US in the 1980s and 1990s, rather than a debate on substantive policy issues.
But Australians are also acutely aware of the need to fix the whole system. One possible outcome of conversations going on in Canberra right now is that our politicians simply cap election expenditure but ignore the bigger problem of the source of donations.

Ending corporate donations is the first way to fix a broken system, but we must also ensure that we close off any loopholes for business to funnel their donations through third party organisations or individuals. 

To this extent, 55% of people think there should be a cap on donations from individuals to political parties, something GetUp members have also been calling for. The public is under no illusions about the need to clean up our democracy – the question is: can our politicians rise to the challenge of tackling their dependency on large donations? Dependency that should not be understated.

Donations have soared in recent years, with the amount the ALP for example are raking in climbing from around $14m in 1998/9 to $40.5m in 2007/8.

There are numerous cases of political donations being linked to policy changes, contracts being awarded, and planning applications getting the go-ahead.

The Utegate affair and growing public anger over alleged corrupt or dubious Government decisions in NSW, Queensland and elsewhere, establish a strong case for restoring public faith in the system.
Take a recent NSW example: The Western Sydney International Dragway paid a total of $107,200 to NSW ALP in 2007 and 2008. Later that year, Kevin Greene MP, NSW Minister for Gaming and Racing announced $1.7 million for Western Sydney International Dragway. I’m not alleging any corruption was present, but clearly this kind of activity does nothing for perceptions of the integrity of our system and therefore our incentive, as individuals, to have our say.

Banning corporate donations to politicians, capping individual donations at $1000 and limiting electoral expenditure will make politics less about cash and more about people.

A system that encourages small donations – like Obama did for his campaign – would put the ordinary Australian back in the driving seat.

Of course no reform can occur without addressing the role of third party organisations. Third party organisations play a crucial role in ensuring the voices of Australians are heard by our nation’s decision makers in between elections.

As a small dollar funded movement, we at GetUp! are happy to accept constraints on our own capacity to accept large donations.

Premier Bligh is pushing ahead with the introduction of a $1000 cap on donations in Queensland and a limit on election spending. However, Premier Rees has ruled out a similar move in NSW (outside of the weekend announcement on developer donations), passing the buck to Federal Government. This places the onus squarely on Canberra and Mr Rudd to provide national leadership on what is most certainly a matter of national importance.

Based on our poll results, this issue is a likely vote winner. Australians support politicians who take a stand on transparency and integrity, ensuring those we elect stay focused on the job at hand: working to protect and promote the public interest.

The question is, will our politicians rise to the challenge?
 
Background: GetUp receives no money from any political party. It relies solely on funds and in-kind donations from the Australian public. It has 335,000 members – more than all political parties combined.
Auspoll conducted the survey online in late Sep 2009.

Questions and results:

Do you think that there should be a limit on the amount of money that political parties and other interest groups can spend on federal election campaigns (such as on TV and radio advertising)? (1550 people polled)
Strongly agree - 57% 
Agree - 29% 
Neither agree nor disagree - 9% 
Disagree - 1%
Strongly disagree -  4% 

To what extent do you agree with the following (1220 people polled):
We should cap or limit donations from individuals to political party election campaigns
Strongly agree – 19%
Agree – 36%
Neutral – 30%
Disagree – 12%
Strongly disagree – 3%

Companies who donate to election campaigns probably get more access to politicians than those who don’t
Strongly agree – 24%
Agree – 43%
Neutral – 26%
Disagree – 5%
Strongly disagree – 3%

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    • Paul says:

      05:08am | 18/11/09

      Clean up your bodgey act Premier Rees - we’ve had enough of Labor arrogance and trainwrecks. Start representing us! Competently! (I sent a letter to Farrell, the Lib leader, about this issue but he couldn’t even be bothered replying.)

    • Eric says:

      05:42am | 18/11/09

      Odd that you haven’t mentioned all the union donations to the ALP.

      This is just a partisan move from a left-wing lobby group.

    • davido says:

      06:08am | 18/11/09

      Have our politicians ever won elections based on good old-fashioned debate and sound policy?

      I totally agree that there has to be limits on campaigning funds. It is better off for everyone involved. No-one gives money to these politicians without expecting something in return. That makes the the politician beholden to the briber - oops I mean donater.

      Really democracy should not be open to the highest bid.

    • job says:

      06:17am | 18/11/09

      This is the reason why we are not a democracy anymore: (if we ever were a democracy),
      The one per cent parasites get funding, laws and media coverage disproportionate to their democratic worth. Consider that the majority then have to pay for the minorities inability to deal with anything, let alone reality. They then argue that it is unfair that they are weird, strange, at odds with the majority of the rest of civilization and the government and the law change to negate the choice and views of the majority

    • Wayne Hutchins says:

      06:55am | 18/11/09

      You have an awful lot of members but I am sorry to say this is the first time I have heard of you. I’m pleased that I now know as I am 100% behind what you are trying to achieve. More power to you! This country is run by the corporations for the betterment of the corporations. Maybe the abolition of political parties would be a step in the right direction. How is democracy served when politicians (lets exclude the Nationals from this LOL) are really only serving a leader and following a party line. When was the last time you saw a Labor back bencher cross the floor on an issue. Regardless of what his or her constituents think their career is more important. How is that democracy? Lets be real, it’s not really the leader who runs this country. He is just the smiling mouth piece but if you look real close you can see the hand enter the rear end. They are just puppets. I am calling for change as well and hope to see it in my lifetime. This is a real winner for any party that picked it up and ran with it. Corruption drips from the walls of every House of Government in this country. It goes beyond State and Federal Government! The “business” of Council is just as corrupt.  For those who are confused you must remember that Councils are not Government. They are just a service provider for State Government. Rudd and Swan were both guilty as hell in regards to the “utegate” affair. Of coarse there will be preferential treatment for those party faithful, especially if they are willing to put their hand in their own pocket.  Time to evolve people! The system that has served us well has long past it’s use by date. Politicians won’t make the change that is required. It will have to come down to people power. Knock him all you like but at least Barnaby Joyce is listening and responding to those in his electorate. What a great system we would have if every member did the same. Maybe dare I say, President Joyce…. Nah.

    • lantana says:

      07:36am | 18/11/09

      The much touted ban on developer donations may have got the Left’s GetUp all excited, but in practice a developer (or their partner) could pay the bribe to a compliant union who would pass it on as a protected political donation from the union.

      This would be even worse than the present situation.  There would no longer be any record of the money coming from developers.

    • Joel B1 says:

      07:37am | 18/11/09

      Slightly off-topic, I reckon GetUp itself is problematic. I was (am?) a member and because I supported their efforts in one area GetUp assumed that I agreed with them on another entirely different issue.

      So that’s not really 27,000 members more like 26,999.

      Back on track: Do unions count as political? Because the massive spending by them to get rid of the last government was more than a little dodgy. I don’t think unions are particularly democratic are they?

    • Darren says:

      07:46am | 18/11/09

      Get Up is a bit of a joke in reality - i remember @ the last election they kept banging on about their 1000s of ‘members’ - but when they wanted people to door knock in Benelong they got 6 people -

    • Paul says:

      08:01am | 18/11/09

      @lantana It’s in developers profitable interests to predominately bribe political parties not unions. Otherwise the figures above would be shared with unions. If the unions are backdooring the money they should be targeted too. Transparency. Lets not let the Libs use the unions as a do-nothing excuse. And Lantana I doubt the situation could be much worse when most policy and decisions are for sale!

    • Eric says:

      08:10am | 18/11/09

      Funny you should say that, Joel B1. I’m a GetUp “member” too. I signed up to see what the enemy was up to.

      I wonder how many of their “members” are really their opponents?

    • Elle GetUp says:

      08:33am | 18/11/09

      @Joel B1 GetUp members ‘opt-in’ to the different campaigns we run. Overall there are over 330,000 members on our email list. For our political donations campaign more than 27,000 have signed our petition- you can check it out here: http://www.getup.org.au/campaign/PoliticalDonations&id=692

      There’s more about the opt-in campaign model here: http://www.getup.org.au/about/faq/#13

      @Darren our 2007 election campaigns eclipsed those of the political parties and was one of the largest grassroots campaigns in Australian electoral history. In Bennelong alone we made contact with 95,000 voters pre-election day, and 80,000 on election day- that’s a big job for 6 people!
      You can download our post-election report at the bottom of this page: http://www.getup.org.au/about/

    • Diamantina Dick says:

      08:44am | 18/11/09

      I’m a GetUp member and liked the original idea, unfortunately there have been very few campaigns I have opted to join. Apparently there are various shades of grassroots. I quite like keeping in touch with the campagns that continue to prove there is no connection between intelligence and gullibility.

      “an otherwise quite intelligent person”, I love that one!

    • Darren says:

      08:46am | 18/11/09

      Glad to see Elle @ get Up is busy keeping an eye on dissenters today - if you like I can name half of the 6 people who went to Benelong on 2 of the Saturdays that GetUp called for ‘action’ -

    • watto says:

      08:58am | 18/11/09

      @Joel B 8.37am Unions may becoming less democratic but compared to the ruthless ‘plantation’ type capitalists and monopolists (sucking up state welfare and subsidies) that were behind the Work ‘Choices’ campaign, millions of Australians - especially low paid and marginalised workers - can thank the unions for not returning some industries back to the 19th century.

    • watto says:

      08:59am | 18/11/09

      @Joel B 8.37am Unions may becoming less democratic but compared to the ruthless ‘plantation’ type capitalists and monopolists (sucking up state welfare and subsidies) that were behind the Work ‘Choices’ campaign, millions of Australians - especially low paid and marginalised workers - can thank the unions for not returning some industries back to the 19th century.

    • watto says:

      08:59am | 18/11/09

      @Joel B 8.37am Unions may becoming less democratic but compared to the ruthless ‘plantation’ type capitalists and monopolists (sucking up state welfare and subsidies) that were behind the Work ‘Choices’ campaign, millions of Australians - especially low paid and marginalised workers - can thank the unions for not returning some industries back to the 19th century.

    • watto says:

      09:00am | 18/11/09

      @Joel B 8.37am Unions may becoming less democratic but compared to the ruthless ‘plantation’ type capitalists and monopolists (sucking up state welfare and subsidies) that were behind the Work ‘Choices’ campaign, millions of Australians - especially low paid and marginalised workers - can thank the unions for not returning some industries back to the 19th century.

    • shannon says:

      09:04am | 18/11/09

      Perhaps Simon didn’t explain himself very well, but certainly the Federal Government’s discussion paper on the reform of donations highlighted that not only would businesses not be able to donate, but neither would unions… So I’m not quite sure what @lantana and others are worried about? I think capping donations is a great idea - more individuals donating small amounts is better for democracy.

    • Macca says:

      09:08am | 18/11/09

      @Joel B1, Unions democratic?!

      bahahahahaa, good one

      The pollies and CEOs have nothing on the Union Officials. Except for maybe Paul Howes of the AWU who actually talks some sense. unlike Sharon Burrows, whose speeches sound like an elephant farting

      This article makes it seem like ppl actually care about what the government, wastes… sorry… spends money on. Hypocritical morons

    • RT says:

      09:20am | 18/11/09

      In the 80s the Hawke government , in a effort to contain the spiralling cost of election campaigns, banned political advertising on television. The TV stations took this to the High Court and won. The ban was lifted. In that light, and given the rivers of gold for the media from political advertising, what chance for a legislated cap on political campaign spending?

    • iansand says:

      09:55am | 18/11/09

      I was in Canada for their most recent election (or the one before that??).  I don’t know what their rules are (or if they were being deliberately low key to differentiate themselves from the Southern Barbarians) but it was bliss.  No, or minimal, TV advertising.  If you wanted to see a politician you could do so on news and current affairs shows, but nowhere else.  No noticeable negative campaigning.  Bring it on.

    • Chris says:

      10:11am | 18/11/09

      Simon when is Getup going to give up on this Apolitcal charade? How about no donations from unions to political parties also?
      Still waiting for Stern Hu to get the same support from getup that David hicks got. The silence is deafening and you are not fooling anyone…
      Oh and by the way Lachlan Harris is doing a good job helping Rudd spin.
      Is the getup board still stacked with ALP affiliates?

    • Darren says:

      10:37am | 18/11/09

      good comment Chris - let’s look 2 Get Up for a second -
      original spokesperson - Lachlan Harris - now with Kevin Rudd
      Board members - Cate Faehrmann - Greens member and gunning for preselection for NSW Greens loser’s Lounge team
      Amanda Tattersall - Unions NSW
      former Board members - Bill Shorten and Evan Thornley - now ALP MPs
      I struggle to see how it can claim independence - but as most of its ‘300,000 members’ are no more than email addresses this probably does not matter that much

    • Astro says:

      10:55am | 18/11/09

      great video!!!

    • Tim says:

      11:03am | 18/11/09

      Agree totally with Chris,
      Getup Apolitical?  Puhleassse.

    • James says:

      11:32am | 18/11/09

      This is a bit of a no brainer really.

      In a democracy we’re all supposed to have an equal influence on our representatives, a vote.

      If you think one person should be able to have a lopsided influence on politicians because they’re rich, just come out and admit you want to abolish our democracy in favour of a user-pays richest-wins ‘government’.

      Unfortunately, funding election campaigns is necessary as an election is meaningless if no one knows what the parties stand for. So having a reasonable individual cap is the lesser of two evils.

      @Chris, see @shannon’s comment - there’s nothing like ignoring a comment just above your own to show that your views are about as informed as a teapot’s.

      Personally I don’t see why unions should be blocked. They’re not-for-profits and all their funding comes from individual Australians. Unlike companies they never represent the interests of foreign owners.

      Perhaps the fairest thing would be if individual citizens could opt to have an organisation use up part or all of their cap - i.e. if I’m not going to make a donation my union or a company I invest in could make a donation on my behalf. That way there’s always a citizen behind every donation and there can be no question of the cap being unfair.

    • DG says:

      12:01pm | 18/11/09

      Wayne Hutchins (07:55am | 18/11/09)

      I’ve long been arguing for the death of party politics. Imagine this, an elected representative that is beholden to his or her electorate directly rather than his or her party leader.

      Suddenly each member has a vested interest in making sure that their electorate is aware of their policies and, to that end, have a presence in the community. Now I realise this causes some trouble when it comes to “Governing”, but why should it? Why not, yet another idea, elect representatives in the same way that committees elect their chair person, secretary, treasurer and the likes. Each of the members of parliament vote (blind ballot) on the appointment of Ministers. Ministers, once appointed, hold office as a Minister until the next election of they are removed from office in a vote of no confidence in the House (blind ballot). 

      Of course, this would mean the death of a ‘conscience vote’ as a novelty. Every vote would become a conscience vote. Gone is the Nuremberg Defence as individual members are responsible for their votes, and the effect that those votes have on their electorate.

      Of course this would make it much harder for lobby groups to change things because instead of harassing one individual (the leader of a party) they would have to lobby the majority of members….

    • Bruce says:

      12:26pm | 18/11/09

      Getup “Apolitical”, I think not.  I supported “one” issue with GETUP. Still keep getting requests, most of which are “green” or “left of left” orientated. Not thats a bad thing. However, their bias is showing. If they were really serious they would get a right wing representative to also represent them. It is noticeable that there is a distinct lack of representation of the centre to right wing issues. “Elle” getup”, involved in Benelong eh!, no doubt supporting John Howard.  I guess many of the new Getup “members” did the same thing as I did, that is signed up for one issue only. Also, if we are going to restrict or control donations from businesses then the “unions” must be included.

    • watto says:

      12:45pm | 18/11/09

      @chris @darren when Stern Hu hasn’t got his day in court within 5 years you can play the Hicks card. (To bad the Wheat Board got away with funding the convicted and executed terrorist Saddam - were they Howard mates or donaters?) I take it from your smokescreens (leftie boards etc) and avoidance of the funding question,  you support the corporate world puppeteering our pollies and hijacking our democracy?

    • Darren says:

      01:17pm | 18/11/09

      Hi watto - don’t recall mentioning Stern Hu - reading might be difficult for you - but it is worth a try!

    • Chris says:

      01:29pm | 18/11/09

      “I take it from your smokescreens (leftie boards etc) and avoidance of the funding question,  you support the corporate world puppeteering our pollies and hijacking our democracy?”
      Nope ban all funding unions and business, fine by me.  But if only business funding was restricted and not unions the net result would be a strong Labor party and a weak Liberal party. Would that make for a healthier democracy?
      Money collected from union membership fees should not go to any politcal party.

    • Darren says:

      02:04pm | 18/11/09

      well said Chris - i would ban all funding except from individuals on the electoral roll to a max of $1k per annum per party or individual candidate - that is not each branch of a party - this should allow for candidates to have some monies to run campaigns - but I don’t want them back in the trough looking for more money - expenditure should be limited to what is raised -

    • Phil says:

      02:16pm | 18/11/09

      You cannot accept union donations if you ban corporate donations. Getup with reality Simon. I think you have justified why you do not support Hu Stern, he works for corporate Australia.  How is Hu Sterns family travelling?

    • Tom says:

      02:51pm | 18/11/09

      Joel B1: Unions are legally required to be internally democratic, with election conducted by Electroal Commissions, as opposed to corporations which have no such requirement. In fact corporations are inherently undemocratic with voting power based on wealth rather than equality.

      Having a cap on donations or spending must be opposed because it limits freedom of speech, an anathema to the democratic process. It is fat better to have much more rigourous disclousre limits so that the voters can clearly see what is going on, and vote accordingly. For example, Canada has laws that mean any donations of $20 and up must go on a public register.

    • Tom says:

      03:01pm | 18/11/09

      DG your comments are so nonsensical I dont know where to start. Independents are a blight on our democracy: they are unpredictable and accountable to no one. Party democracy has proven itself to be the only sustainable form of democracy, as parties provide the means for any individual to rise through the ranks to office. They give voters certainty on how their member will react to each situation over the course of an electoral cycle. With independents you just don’t know.

      You cite every vote being a conscience vote as a good thing. Parliament would literally be an unworkable mess.

      It is simply not possible to know how an indepdendent will vote - look at Steve Fielding for goodness sake! He is what you end up with when you vote for an indepdendent.

      How would indepdents raise the money to fight election campaigns? Without party fundraising, the answer is that they would ahve to be wealthy already. We would ahve a Parliament full of already famous or wealthy people. Or unpredictable idiots like Fielding.

    • watto says:

      05:54pm | 18/11/09

      @darren writing might be difficult for you but you said phils comments were good. So you’ve flip flopped on the Stern issue ie that wasn’t a good comment? @phil Read some global media, Stern was allegedly caught with detailed Chinese mine production information etc. Which could be ‘market intelligence’ or ‘spying’

    • James says:

      07:53pm | 18/11/09

      @Chris @Phil what have you been smoking?!

      Stern Hu has no relevance to the issue of political donations and has rightly been described as a smokescreen - a smokescreen for the fact that you have no point and are just trolling the thread with your ill-informed views (demonstrated by @shannon on unions).

      To be clear:
      * Hicks was imprisoned without charge by an allied nation; Hu was imprisoned with a charge by a non-allied communist country.
      * Hicks was left to rot for 5 years; Hu has been detained for 5 months.
      * The US admitted it could not try Hicks under existing laws but pig-headedly tried to invent new laws, and new courts to try him; the Chinese will try Hu under their existing laws and courts, you may not think much of their courts but at least Hu knew what they were like when he went there.
      * Howard refused to ask for Hicks back, even though he was close friends with the US President and even though other countries had succeeded in getting their citizens back by asking; Rudd has not asked for Hu back publicly, but there’s no reason to think he’s not asking privately and there’s no evidence in the case of China that asking publicly would do any good, in fact quite the opposite.

      Most damningly for your conpiracy theory (‘Labor do nothing/GetUp do nothing because Hu is a businessman’) in a case that actually is similar to Hu’s, Howard’s reaction to Schapelle Corby was exactly the same as Rudd’s: “I feel for her. ... I hope justice is done ... I would ask the rhetorical question: My fellow Australians, if a foreigner were to come to Australia and a foreign government were to start telling us how we should handle [it], we would react very angrily to that.”

      Seriously, what do you think Rudd can do, start a war with China?

    • DG says:

      09:47pm | 18/11/09

      Tom -
      I should begin by pointing out that I haven’t considered this in great depth because I know that as much as I dislike party politics it is not going to change in my lifetime so it is purely academic. However I will attempt to address your concerns:

      I disagree with your first point. They are accountable to those who elected them (in the same way that a party is currently) - every 3 years they face their electorate and are accountable. That’s the whole point of an election. Not only that it forces the sitting member, and potential members, to actively engage in the community that they purport to represent. They need to engage with the community in order to determine the primary interests of their electorate (as opposed to the interests of the 50 other electorates represented by members of the same party). Matters that are high on the list of prioirites will be given the focus they deserve while matters that are of little relevance to the electorate - the members can negotiate to support one independent in return for their support in another matter. I hardly consider that unworkable - it appears that this how the system is supposed to work now, but instead of negotiating on individual issues the member is bound by the commandments from the Party HQ.

      As to whether Fielding is a problem, I suspect we’ll find out when he next faces the electorate of course Feilding is a senator rather than a representative. So he is representing a portion of a State rather than a specific electorate. His removal from office at the next election is almost assured (if not because of his policies, for the simple fact that he only got in by the skin of his teeth).

      AS for fighting campaigns - the costs will be reduced dramatically. TV and State Wide papers will no longer be a meaning full mechanism for engaging with your electorate - local papers will be much more practical (and cheaper).

      Further, a proposed representative will have a cap per person of donations (say $500) and a proposed representative’s expenditure must not exceed the total of their donations. It will be much harder to “spin” facts without a party funding advertising and perhaps more significantly we, the electorate, will not be bombarded with propaganda in the months leading up to an election. Further this keeps your celebrities and the independently wealthy under control.

    • urbancynic says:

      10:58pm | 18/11/09

      Simon - get your facts right: on current political donation cap amount (it is not $11,200), on union contributions to ALP, on ALP owned clubs that have gambling to generate ALP funds, and ALP acceptance of tobacco donations. Then you might have enough credibility to get ALP pre-selection for a seat in which the ALP campaign can be funded from money generated by the ALP owned clubs which generate funds for the ALP from gambling.

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      07:15am | 15/04/11

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    • Tony says:

      09:14am | 18/02/12

      One of the main problems though is that incumbent parties (governments) have unlimited ability to “provide information” on government measures which is not counted which can mean that there is unfairness.
      They are also not bound (or penalised) by measures requiring truth in advertising.

 

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