The federal Labor government announced on Wednesday of last week that it would “meet it’s responsibilities” to fund equal pay for community workers.

Not as easy as it looks. Photo: Peter Hunt

This announcement represents one more step toward wage justice for people working in the sector, whose equal remuneration case has been running for over a year.

It came after intensive lobbying efforts by those same workers and union members, who were emailing, calling and dancing for equal pay in the weeks leading up to this most recent commitment.

Grassroots activism is the back story to what has been largely a legal, rather than industrial, strategy on the part of the major applicant, the Australian Services Union (ASU). This activism appears to have effectively pressured the Labor members who signed equal pay pledges in the lead up to the 2010 election.

Prior to the announcement the applicants in the case, the ASU and a raft of other unions, had argued that the work performed in the community sector is undervalued and underpaid due to gender. Eighty seven percent of workers in the sector are women

They used the public sector, also female dominated, as a comparator, arguing that the disparate gendered histories of the public and private sectors had resulted in significantly different rates of pay for very similar work.

Fair Work Australia (FWA) eventually found in favour of the applicants, declaring that “for employees in the SACS (social and community services workers) industry there is not equal remuneration for men and women workers for work of equal or comparable value”.

However, they did not declare a dollar figure, instead inviting further submissions on the cost of the case, and directing the parties into conciliation.

There has been much talk of the cost of the case, but what this really refers to is what sort of pay rise, if any, workers are likely to see. The union has argued for the Queensland community sector rates, which were increased in a landmark decision in 2009. This would result in pay increases of between 18 and 32 percent.

It sounds like a hefty increase and it is the percentage figures that are often cited. Yet when you consider that an average community worker can earn as little as $33 000 when starting out and well under $60 000 for a management position within the sector, the rates that are being argued for appear in a different light.

This is for work with the most vulnerable and challenging members of our community,those who require care from a system, often because relationships with families are non-existent or have been stretched to breaking point.

It is work that is hard, and while Australia gives any lip service to equality, it is work that we can no longer afford to short change.

As the daughter of a disability care worker who was also a single mother, I consider myself lucky that she worked for the government sector while I was growing up. The rates of pay in the private sector mean that raising children is a hefty financial burden.

The O’Farrell government in NSW is yet to declare it will fund the outcome or make its final submissions to FWA. Community workers will not see any money until FWA makes its decision on increases, which will happen after 10 August.

It’s not over until the money is in the bank, but people doing the hard work of the sector are now one step closer to equity.

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    • Erick says:

      05:43am | 12/07/11

      More feminist myth-making and discrimination. Equal pay for equal work has been around for a long time, and discrimination on the basis of sex is illegal. This is just a sexist scheme to grab more for women at the expense of men who work harder.

      Over 90% of workplace deaths are suffered by men. Yet we never hear feminists demanding equality in getting the most dangerous jobs.

    • malohi says:

      07:51am | 12/07/11

      Is this not the exact same article that this author put up about 4 months ago? Something about why people with mail order arts degrees and psychology “qualifications” are not taken seriously in the work force.

      It was a troll thread then and remains a troll thread now.

    • Rhino says:

      09:28am | 12/07/11

      Erick, I have an axe to grind with you on this. My partner is on the SACS award in non-governmental sector and she covets a job in Government, because she will be paid ~50% more than the current atrocious wage she getas. Erick, your comment is offensive, because the men in the same job as my partner, a woman, get the same sh1t pay. Yes, the article above discusses inequality within a female dominated employment sector, however it is discussing the difference between government and non government employment for this sector. It does not discuss comparing wages between social work (which can be lethal in the mental health area) and lets say undeground mining (which is also a potentially leathal area of employment).

      Get your facts straight and read the article more carfeully next time.

      As for you Malohoi, go to an inner city respite centre or mental health drop in centre or PECC at St Vincents in Sydney and say these people are lightweights who shouldn’t be taken seriously (just try not aggravate the poor fools coming down from methamphetamine physcosis).

    • Erick says:

      11:21am | 12/07/11

      @Rhino - “the men in the same job as my partner, a woman, get the same sh1t pay”

      Exactly what I’ve been saying. There is no pay gap between men and women doing the same work.

      So why is the author trying to make a big sexist issue out of it?

    • Rhino says:

      11:53am | 12/07/11

      @Erick
      As a feminist article, this is a light touch, far more commentary on the government v non government sector pay differences. You made it into a big feminist piece de-justifying men.

    • Erick says:

      12:06pm | 12/07/11

      Not so, Rhino. If you’re offended by sexism, you should be offended by the main article. I’m just pointing it out.

      It was the author who brought gender into it, in paragraphs five to seven:

      ‘Prior to the announcement the applicants in the case, the ASU and a raft of other unions, had argued that the work performed in the community sector is undervalued and underpaid due to gender. Eighty seven percent of workers in the sector are women

      ‘They used the public sector, also female dominated, as a comparator, arguing that the disparate gendered histories of the public and private sectors had resulted in significantly different rates of pay for very similar work.

      ‘Fair Work Australia (FWA) eventually found in favour of the applicants, declaring that “for employees in the SACS (social and community services workers) industry there is not equal remuneration for men and women workers for work of equal or comparable value”.’

    • Rhino says:

      12:48pm | 12/07/11

      @Erick
      ‘Fair Work Australia (FWA) eventually found in favour of the applicants, declaring that “for employees in the SACS (social and community services workers) industry there is not equal remuneration for men and women workers for work of equal or comparable value”.’

      This is the point of the article. Please point out how this makes this a feminist article. Please point out how this is relevant to male workplace deaths.

      This article is comparing government and non government, a point you seem to struggle with. If you want to be sexist, go ahead, I don’t care. I do get offended when people take something like this, which is an important issue to me (my partner take home pay Erick, something you don’t mind stomping on in your little anti feminist rant) and making it about something it isn’t as an excuse to kicking the people in this sector.

      So, take your little feminist rant and run with it. In the mean time, I am happier knowing my partner will get paid an honest wage for what is at times shit awful work.

    • Erick says:

      01:48pm | 12/07/11

      @Rhino - You acknowledge that the article claims “there is not equal remuneration for men and women workers for work of equal or comparable value”. You even quote those exact words.

      Yet somehow you can’t see how this is s feminist claim? If you’re unable to understand that, then I can’t help you.

    • Rhino says:

      02:29pm | 12/07/11

      @Erick
      Not only can you not read, you do not understand the issue and have not been following the SACS award case, this is evident once you read this article on the matter:

      http://www.asu.asn.au/media/sacs/20110516_payup.html

      Including this:

      “In this decision we have concluded that for employees in the SACS industry there is not equal remuneration for men and women workers for work of equal or comparable value by comparison with workers in state and local government employment. We consider gender has been important in creating the gap between pay in the SACS industry and pay in comparable state and local government employment.”

      So, the full comment is comparing government and non government, noting gender is important. You have chosen to make it soley a feminist rant. This is not just ignorant, it is wrong and condescending.

      And, this is a case brought by a Union, not a feminist movement, again something you failed to read in the article above.

      Go away Erick you are a little man.

    • Erick says:

      02:51pm | 12/07/11

      @Rhino - Every argument you bring simply confirms my original point. This is a feminist rant about men vs women.

      If the case was simply about fair pay, there would be no need to bring gender into it.

    • Rhino says:

      03:08pm | 12/07/11

      @Erick
      On the grounds that I do not feed certain types of animals and trolls, I am closing this. You cannot comprehend and accept facts that do not support your view.

    • Just Sayin says:

      03:42pm | 12/07/11

      @Rhino: Click on the author’s name and you’ll see this:

      “Megan Clement-Couzner is a doctoral student at the Centre for Citizenship and Public Policy, University of Western Sydney. She writes about gender, and social and economic change. She is a lifelong feminist and a member of F, the Sydney feminist collective. “

      It’s feminism, pure and simple.

    • Cat says:

      06:58pm | 12/07/11

      Erick fair pay in some sectors does have a relation to gender - there are jobs which had their wages set at a low level because they were exclusively performed by women - so the thinking was any wage the woman earns is a suppliment to the husbands income and therefore we dont need to pay them much - that has indeed had a carry over effect and wage increases over time have not compensated for the gap between those “traditionally” female domimated industries and comparable counterparts that are not traditionally female dominated. THAT is how gender comes into a discussion on wage equality, historicly it is a big factor for some sectors, that doesn’t make it a feminist rant, it just makes it a significant historical part of issues in some sectors.

    • Fiona says:

      07:42pm | 12/07/11

      Erick, this was not an article about equal pay for women at the expense of men. Men tend to do those jobs traditionally because they pay better than wiping someone’s butt.

    • progressivesunite says:

      07:20am | 12/07/11

      Yeah bloody feminists. Expecting a salary that can feed them and their kids for doing such simple work as dealing with dangerous clients in the mental health sector, dealing every day with children dying of cancer etc etc - they should do it for free ‘cause it’s women’s work anyway.

      Oh, and men tend to get paid rather well for dangerous jobs….anyway, I’m sure the gender warriors will be on here soon to belt me around - hi guys

    • Erick says:

      07:55am | 12/07/11

      That’s a terrible attitude, progressivesunite! How can you justify not paying community workers at all?

    • progressivesunite says:

      07:25am | 12/07/11

      I was attracted to the community sector, but really can’t justify the massive wage cut - why are people in that sector so under valued? If they all quit the sector due to continuing ridiculous pay, we’ll be lying in our aged care beds pressing the care assistants’ buzzer for a very long time before anyone comes….

      We’re a funny society - apparently you’re very valuable if you’re a PR manager, but not worth much at all if you spend your days making sure other people’s kids live to see the next day….

    • Tubesteak says:

      08:49am | 12/07/11

      You really don’t understand the labour market.

      There is no secret meeting where everyone’s wage is determined. Wages are determined usually by a free market based on the amount of money people are willing and able to pay for your services. Some occupations earn more money because they generate more profit.

      The care sector doesn’t generate any profits. It is taxpayer funded out of a government budget that has many other constraints. If the government can fill the positions it has if it pays people $33k then they will do so. If you go on strike and the government can’t fill the positions then they will offer more. Simple as that.

      Maybe if the care sector got away from being taxpayer funded and became privatised it could start to be profit-focused. I think someone above made the very appropriate point about “mail order arts degrees and psychology “qualifications””...........

    • Conservatives Unite! says:

      09:45am | 12/07/11

      “There is no secret meeting where everyone’s wage is determined.”

      This comment is spot on, Tubesteak, though your remarks about arts degrees are a little unnecessary. In reality, there is one reason why community care workers are paid the amount they are - because employers are able to fill positions with suitably qualified persons for the salaries they are offering.

      The silly shenanigans on display here show how dysfunctional the labour market is becoming under this government. And the phoney feminist rhetoric cloakig what is, in effect, a political payoff to a favoured constituency is embarrassing. And what is the point of it all, there is no doubt Fair Work Australia will rubber stamp this whole thing anyway.

    • LeonT says:

      10:57am | 12/07/11

      @Tubesteak, ConservativesUnite!

      Despite your assertions, the labour market is far from perfectly competitive. Wage setting is far more complicated than the model you are suggesting as both employers and employees lack perfect information and there usually isn’t enough data to engage in an effective learning process.

      And aside from this, the value of the work being described here is very difficult to measure as (i) there is no widget being created and (ii) it was done by volunteers for so long.

    • AdamC says:

      11:17am | 12/07/11

      LeonT, I don’t believe I asserted that the labor market is ‘perfect’. Many things make it quite imperfect, most notably the conviction of governments that they can fix prices by fiat without creating significant costs and inefficiencies.

      Your widgets analogy is an old fallacy. Sure, in sales jobs, you will have system of commissions based on sales, but the quantum and structure of these still need to be able to attract suitable candidates. In fact, the highest paid jobs are usually the most complicated and the most difficult in which to measure performance. (CEOs spring to mind.) Pay rates are always a matter of balancing what the employer can afford to pay against what they need to pay to attract a suitable candidate.

    • Tubesteak says:

      01:01pm | 12/07/11

      LeonT

      No-one is suggesting that the labour market is perfectly competitive or that people have access to full information.

      Those are merely concepts taught to first year microeconomics students as a foundation for more detailed study. They are never held up as realistic or important.

      The labour market works on a complex range of factors both at an industry level and the individual level. In this case, the fact that the government controls the market means that there will be a ceiling. Also the fact that it doesn’t generate a profit, or have much of a profit motive (sick people and pensioners tend not to have too much cash to splash) means there will also be a ceiling.

    • MK says:

      08:07am | 12/07/11

      Maybe if they were paid more,
      more men would work in the sector, it would not be so female dominated,
      Yes it is paid less, thats why so few men do it.
      Not sure how they worked out “work of equal and comparable value” for completely different work?
      Private paid more than public WOW? you don’t say
      just becasue they make money , and if they are making money can afford to pay more
      and funnily enough more men work in private?
      please refer to my first point becasue it pays more

    • Alan says:

      03:02pm | 12/07/11

      No, they don’t say. The tribunal found that the private sector paid LESS than the public. You are all confused sweetheart.

    • Mark says:

      09:12am | 12/07/11

      Lies damned lies & gender issues

      The case that was argued said that community workers in the private sector, which are mostly women, where being paid less then community workers in the public sector, which are also mainly women, becouse they where women!

      Total complete rubbish. That FWA would support it only shows how much it is a captive tool of the government.

      The labour market for community care is such that said workers are lowly paid. They are paid what the market will bear.

      There are two agenda’s here. Firstly a wish to ensure that no woman anywhere regardless of the value of the work she does earns less then a man. Secondly a takeover of the entire community care area by the public sector.

    • Erick says:

      09:41am | 12/07/11

      I’d be sympathetic to arguments that community care workers deserve a raise because of the nature of their work.

      But the way the unions have gratuitously turned it into an attack on men is not helpful. This is one of the reasons I reject sexist unions and their sexist Labor Party puppets.

    • 70 Liberal Punch Trolls says:

      11:07am | 12/07/11

      Will wage justice be possible after August 2 2011 when USA defaults on its loans and plunges the world into economic darkness?

    • 7 Labor Punch Trolls says:

      12:57pm | 12/07/11

      I doubt it.

    • Jane2 says:

      01:41pm | 12/07/11

      If the rules of supply and demand and a free market work then nature will see the pay of care workers increase because there is more demand but few people with the qualifications necessary.

      Unfortunately at the moment, people see you as helping only the weak of our society but give it time and you could end up one of the best paid sectors in Australia because of an aging population which will suddenly realise they are the weak and desperately needs you

    • Geoff - Brisbane says:

      01:50pm | 12/07/11

      The Author writes for the feminist collective and about feminism. This is her job.

      I bet she expects to get paid the same for writing such bullshit as the man writing about the latest physics discovery. After all both “works” are about 1-2 pages long, right?

    • n_dude says:

      03:54pm | 12/07/11

      I guess that’s the feminist’s view of “value for money” and what is more important to women…

    • Outraged says:

      02:24pm | 12/07/11

      In order to prove that all women are paid less than men, you would have to prove that all women are paid equally!

      But seriously, if women were paid less than men…then why would companies bother employing men at all? They could just employ all women and pay them all less!

    • Get a job, hippie! says:

      03:10pm | 12/07/11

      The hypocritical moral indignation is astounding! Unless the employee’s contribution turns a profit, salary negotiations are a zero-sum game. An employee’s living standard must naturally come at the expense of either the amount of service delivered, or its quality.

      Would any of the bleating hippies on this thread like to explain just how many disabled people will need to die in a ditch or survive on thin gruel for them to have their trip to Bali this year? Anyone? Anyone will do.

    • Lesley Laurel says:

      06:12pm | 12/07/11

      all women’s wages should be 25% higher than all men’s wages for the same equivalent jobs . Why? Women do housework as well.
      Your comment:

    • Fiona says:

      07:46pm | 12/07/11

      You’re a brave soul…..Good luck.

 

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