Did anyone else choke on their breakfast cereal hearing Rob Oakeshot demand party discipline from the Liberal leadership to protect him from ‘rogue’ MPs? This from a guy who wants us to believe that unwillingness to be bound by a party room is the defining virtue of a good local MP.

Prague spring or political paralysis? Rob Oakeshott in Canberra yesterday. Photo: Ray Strange

There’s been a lot of naive commentary about how having independents control our Parliament would be good for democracy. Here’s a realist perspective on what a Parliament with a decline in the dominant two-party political setting would look like.

First prediction: the weaker the discipline that the strong two-party setting imposes, the greater the influence would be of lobbyists. We need only look to the effect the weaker party discipline of the Republicans and Democrats in the US has on American politics to back this prediction.

It’s a lot harder for lobbyists to control leadership groups and party rooms than it is to control and pick-off individual MPs who cannot seek the protection of party policy when explaining difficult decisions to electorates with the vulnerabilities the lobbyists are leveraging.

Second prediction: ‘horse trading’ and ‘pork barrelling’ would grow at the expense of rational allocation of funding, based for example, on need and the interests of the majority. We have already seen how this works, with Andrew Wilkie shamelessly seeking out-of-program largesse as the price for his vote (and, given he said he wants funds this week, apparently with disregard to care-taker conventions). 

A real test of the independents in this regard would be whether they would support moving electorate funding decisions, once a policy is adopted by Government, to a statutory body that based allocations on explicit needs against national comparisons or strategy.

Third prediction: confidence in, and the legitimacy of, our political system would decline. As the legislative process gets bogged down, and deal making characterises every major policy matter, disillusionment would set in. Tell me where in the western world growth in independents or multiple parties or proportional representation has increased voter belief in the effectiveness and relevance of their parliament?

It seems to me that we have the best of both systems in our democracy: a stable lower chamber with a preferential single member voting system characterised by a two-party contest for executive power that provides the basis of Government, and an upper chamber with proportional representation to provide some opportunity for the entry to the Parliament of smaller parties that gather a critical mass of support.

It would be a great mistake to blithely accept the view that the decline of the two-party dynamic in Australia and the increase of independents would be good for democracy.

Our independents – all four of them – are individuals who have run for office on the basis of their unwillingness to be bound by a majority vote in a party made up of like-minded citizens.

Once elected, they claim they want Government to listen to the electorate, but in the end the only electorate they really want heard is their own, and that electorate’s view on a policy matter is, wonderfully, always the view the independent MP happens to hold, unchallenged by any accountability mechanism such as a party room.

Let me draw on two popular TV shows to make a final point. The attraction of characters like Dr Greg House in the series House, or Dr Martin Ellingham in the series Doc Martin, is that we all dream of being the person who can be unrestrained when dealing with everyone we see as fools. The occasional House of Doc Martin is tolerable only because of their brilliance. But we all know that a society would be very unpleasant and could not survive with lots of Houses or Ellinghams. I think a Parliament with a critical mass of independents would have similar problems (and it’s not clear that our independents have the brilliance that would justify tolerance of their orneriness).

Our two-party political process in Australia, with its dialectic between the dominant western political traditions of liberal and social democracy, and its success in forging and holding our politicians closely to a majoritarian centre, was one of our great advantages in the 20th century.

It’s not one I think we should naively undermine in a vicarious identification with the Houses and Doc Martins of Australian politics.

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    • Jeremy says:

      07:37am | 31/08/10

      Minority parties like the Greens and Nationals are good for democracy: but I agree that local-based independents aren’t.

      Only way to resolve this is with multi-member electorates in the lower house, though.

    • Tedd says:

      07:44am | 31/08/10

      On election night OakeShott was filmed grabbing someone’s shoulder firmly and grimacing emphatically - it was very theatrical, Tom Cruise-style.

      I feared we were in for some more theatrics then, and didn’t feel they would be accompanied by brilliance.

    • DJ says:

      11:46am | 31/08/10

      Dead right Tedd, this guy has (post election) revealed the real Rob Oakshott: a left leaning utopian socialist with new found stars in his eyes.

    • thatmosis says:

      08:11am | 31/08/10

      After seeing and listening to the ravings of the independants its quite clear that they dont want another election as the majority would be chucked out on their ears. What a bunch of morons posing as elected officials. Ive seen better behaviour froma bunch of 5 year olds on red cordial and twisties. Oakeshott would have to be the worst with this la la land idea about how the Government should run. This man is unbelieveable and Australia is now at his mercy, we are doomed i tell you doomed.

    • acotrel says:

      08:35am | 31/08/10

      Never mind fellas, Steven Fielding will see you right!

    • Tedd says:

      10:30am | 31/08/10

      With Katter from farNQ, Windor & OakShott from far N-NSW, Brandt from Melbourne, Wilkie from Tassie (via Iraq & NSW), Fielding from SA, and Crook from 1/2 of WA, it is a pan-continental bear-hug, half-Nelson, and emasculation all in one.

      Hope that Sumatran volcano provides some cover.

    • acotrel says:

      09:01am | 31/08/10

      You can take comfort in something Thatmosis.  We’ll have Tony Abbott to see us through the rest of the Global Financial Crisis.  His great skill in economic management should give you a real thrill! You’ll find out what ‘doomed’ really means!

    • Nicole says:

      09:15am | 31/08/10

      acotrel, three long years under Labor….....Yep we know what doomed feels like.
      I reckon I’m gunna have lots of fun today !

    • Ronk says:

      10:04am | 31/08/10

      Abbott is a Rhodes Scholar with a degree in economics. Gillard and Swan have no qualifications at all in economics.

    • T.Chong says:

      10:20am | 31/08/10

      Nicole. A lesson to be learnt? after dissing the ‘Pies yestdy, whats happened at Hawthorne ? Bad Karma ? :(
      Lucky we are too rational to believe in bad luck, touch wood.

    • Reg says:

      10:28am | 31/08/10

      Ever the Madame Defarge character Nicole, now tell us about all those years of Liberal stultification.

      If Johnny had behaved more like a PARTY member than an Independent, simply by taking the leap instead of waiting for the blade, his party may have been re-elected in 07. A perfect example of what happens when an INDEPENDENT takes control of a PARTY.

      Menzies did that as well. The star surrounded by his groupies imploring him to believe all his own bullshit and recognise that he really is a god after-all. Hard NOT to be an Independent eh?

    • Peetme says:

      10:48am | 31/08/10

      Acotrel, you just don’t seem to get it. It was we, the TAXPAYERS of this country who saved us from the GFC, not Rudd or the other wastrels from the same gene pool who agreed with him, backed him up, and, you guessed it, put the knife in when the incessant polls went bad after the waste, incompetence, broken promises, backflips and so on became unbearable and they became scared of an electoral lynching.

      Another three years of that? No thanks. I’ve had my preview of doomed.

    • Heather S says:

      12:10pm | 31/08/10

      I’d take a Rhodes scholar, with a degree in Economics and Law and a Masters in Politics over a Tafe teacher and Union lawyer any day.

    • Mr GG says:

      12:42pm | 31/08/10

      @Ronk
      that’s nice but its all those Economists and Rhodes scholars that caused the GFC and it was them in charge of USA and UK during the GFC that has seen their economies tumble.
      While our TAFE teacher prevented a recession, I agree at the time I though we were screwed but Swannie seems to have blind luck and has seen us through. The Point is a Monkey wearing a Hat has a much chance of effectively preventing recession as the most highly qualified economists, the proof is that we are not in recession under Swan’s guidance yet USA and UK with their world leading economists are.

      As much as they talk up the value of qualifications the Facts seems to suggest they are useless.  tongue wink

    • Dingo says:

      01:37pm | 31/08/10

      Actually Mr GG, it was the Demacrats social agenda that forced the US banks to lend money to disadvantaged communities and minority groups that was the central cause of the GFC.

      People without any qualifications in business or economics interferring in markets they don’t understand - sound familar?  like pink batts and school halls.

      The Banks knew that these loans would become bad debts, so they packaged them up as Collaterallised Debt Obligations and on-sold them to naive investors, thus contaminating the whole financing sector.

      The reason we didn’t really suffer is because our banks were not forced into this social policy and are better regulated, China keep buying our commodities - at even higher prices, we had relatively high interest rates (allowing for rate reductions) and we had a flexible labor market to minimise job losses.  It had very little to do with Rudd, Swan or Gillard. All they’ve done is blow our savings and creating a whole lot of new jobs to clean up the mess they made.

    • Nicole says:

      02:07pm | 31/08/10

      @Reg, nah I’d much prefer to talk about all the Labor stuff ups. Got a few days?
      @Chong, bad karma indeed ! I’m still happy we beat you though.

    • Todd says:

      02:15pm | 31/08/10

      Here Her Mr GG smile

    • Nicole says:

      02:49pm | 31/08/10

      Where where Todd?

    • Tron says:

      03:24pm | 31/08/10

      @Dingo

      It wasn’t the “Demacrats”. It was the Republicans that legislated for cheap home loans to people that couldn’t afford it.

      You can find the youtube clips of Dubya talking them up.

      You can also find articles that show it was the Republicans and Dubya inflating the US sharemarket after the dotcom crash

    • A Bob says:

      03:36pm | 31/08/10

      The changes made to the Community Reinvestment Act that were passed during the Clinton administration received bipartisan support. The Republicans had the majority in both houses and could have blocked any legislation they desired, but they wanted it just as badly, but for different reasons.

      The ammendments to the Glass–Steagall act were passed near unanimously with only 8 dissenting votes. 7 Dem, 1 GOP.

      All this partisan finger pointing is nonsense and amounts to little more than tribalism. There is little to distinguish either side. Which is why true independents are so troublesome. They upset the status-quo and give the lazy media heartburn when things don’t run according to the script.

    • farkurnell says:

      10:42pm | 31/08/10

      guys /gals calm down! you’ll all get to argue these salient points in a couple of weeks time when the next campaign begins.The only difference being we’ll have the 3 stooges"party” added to the equation.

    • David says:

      08:50am | 01/09/10

      it’s funny how we equate USA democrate vs republican to labor vs liberal the comparison is pretty average the center over there is a lot further to the right then it is here and party lines are a lot more blurry (there is a lot more crossing the floor) totally different system.

    • Reg says:

      09:02am | 31/08/10

      Couldn’t have said it better Chris. The practicality of the party is to find a median that lifts the dopey members up and restrains the wild stallions like the Young Churchill. Suitable for office only if necessity demands.

      A ONE man Party will know nothing about the need for compromise or he would never have stood as an independent in the first place. Since he is likely to be one of the dopey bast**ds, he will also be easily manipulated by a smart-arsed lobbyist, thus wasting valuable government time on marginal issues.  Independents have chosen to replace the frustration of the party room with dissipating their talents on lost causes.

    • T.Chong says:

      09:06am | 31/08/10

      The Independants are good.
      With the possibility of Abbott forming govt, with reliance on The Indies, WorkChoices will never come back. Rural and regional voters like a regular award based pay slip, just like city slickers. (Subbies, some miners etc who favor AWAs are a very small minority, as the ‘07 election proved).
      Country folk (majority of whom are townies) will quickly boot out any Independant who interferes with undermining their pay packet.
      Self interest of the Independants will win out.

    • Evan Findlay says:

      12:14pm | 31/08/10

      Agreed T.Chong.
      It will actually be a good time to be in opposition. The Liberals and their right wing ideology will have very little chance of dominating the political landscape in the next three years due to the presence of the independents in the lower house and the Green domination in the upper house.

      I’m looking forward to seeing how Mr Abbott deals with a slowing domestic economy, one which will slow further as he strips away the last of the stimulus, confluent with a global economy still spiralling down towards another recession. If he gets this wrong, and my money is on that he will, the so called mortgage belt, the Howard battlers, will crucify him and the Liberal party at the next election.

      At least an Abbott led recession will bring some normality back into the housing market.

    • Seamus says:

      09:54am | 31/08/10

      you are right…politicians who live or die on their personal ethics…why it’s just plain undemocratic ... what we need is the continuation of party hacks and dullards to lead the country…Thank you…I was being swept up in the moment.

    • Tron says:

      09:55am | 31/08/10

      It doesn’t matter who got 2PP or the most votes.

      All that matters is who has the most seats and who can get 76 to form government.

      We have representative democracy in this country - not popular mandate or anything else and that is all that matters. We elect MPs to represent an electorate. We don’t elect a party to govern a nation or anything else for that matter.

      If we don’t abide by the principles of representative democracy then we might as well tear up our Constitution.

      We must respect the fact that there are 5 people -  Windsor, Katter, Oakeshott, Bandt and Wilkie (plus Crook that wants to sit on the cross-bench) that are not part of the two party system that has lulled us into a false sense of security for the past 70 years.

      These people are the ones who will form government with either of the other two blocs. This is how our parliamentary system work

    • Margaret Gray says:

      10:35am | 31/08/10

      Memo to Rob Oakeshott:

      14:57, 14:58, 14:59….Poof!

      Your time’s up, famewhore.

    • Tedd says:

      11:14am | 31/08/10

      There’s still a few couches to jump, Margaret.

    • DJ says:

      11:51am | 31/08/10

      couldn’t have put it better Margaret

    • Holly says:

      10:39am | 31/08/10

      I’m afraid that people can’t grasp that the model of democracy we are most familiar with at federal level is only one model.  All this rubbish about “mandates” .  Most Western democracies, and Australian state governments have run with minority governments and survived - are we really still that rigid in our thinking?  Thatmosis I find it quite ironic that you talk about the “ravings” of the independents and call them moronic.

    • A Bob says:

      10:59am | 31/08/10

      Agreed, Chris. It’s ever so undemocratic to vote for the person who most represents our interests. The cheek of some people!

      And if these guys are carrying on like a buch of kids at Christmas, so be it. Until the end of the week and the AEC closes the door on any more postal votes we won’t know where we stand and no firm agreements can be made. Anything said by anyone until then, especially the media, is just speculation.

    • Tedd says:

      12:07pm | 31/08/10

      People should vote for what is reasoned to be best for the country’s future, A Bob, or even their children and grand-children’s future interests. 

      That may actually be different to their own interests, eh Bob?

    • A Bob says:

      12:26pm | 31/08/10

      “That may actually be different to their own interests, eh Bob? “

      It may or it may not. And however well intentioned their motives might be, they may still get it wrong. Consult history for examples.

      But if you want to get uppity about democratic principles, we can start by respecting that people have the right to vote however they want, regardless of what you think is best. Eh, Tedd?

    • Darren says:

      11:03am | 31/08/10

      Well said Chris - the last thing we want in Parliament is people who actually argue for what they believe in and what they believe their electorate needs - I want a room full of Party sheep - who do what they are told by factional bosses (and all 4 Parties have them).

    • Reg says:

      11:33am | 31/08/10

      Well Darren, if every member of Parliament used SARCASM like you and most other correspondents do here, then no one would ever know what they were talking about either. GET IT?

      At a guess, your preference is for the mob to take off in all directions and not a sheep dog in sight. yes, that sounds like the recipe for chaos you prefer.

    • A Bob says:

      12:28pm | 31/08/10

      And there is no sarcasm used in parliment now, thank goodness. And so there shouldn’t be, when SHOUTING works so much better.

    • Darren says:

      12:50pm | 31/08/10

      it has always amused me that the Liberal Party (the party of the individual) is so opposed to independents in the Parliament

    • Gav H says:

      04:06pm | 31/08/10

      Yes Darren, I would much prefer 150 free thinking independants (76 of whom would have to form a bloc government anyway) bleating out their own agendas with their inability to compromise and get on with the job of governing.

    • ibast says:

      04:27pm | 31/08/10

      Gav, if we had 150 independents then the Senate would be the place for party politics and the Westminster system would be working as it was intended.  The lower house would be the place for electoral representation only and that is better than what we have up until now where (mostly) one party gets to do whatever it wants.  Unfortunately the current system will always gravitate back to party representation in the lower house.  Perhaps it’s to to have the government formed by a 2/3 vote rather than a simple majority.  Then the Australian people would be much better represented.

    • Reg says:

      05:30pm | 31/08/10

      ibast, How do you propose 76 or more individuals NOT be allowed to vote in a bloc? All the Independents will gravitate to form two parties as they are doing here.

      I’m a bit lost as to how the Upper House equates with the House of Lords in its being a grand representation of how the Westminster System was expected to operate. With your 2/3 idea, what would happen if we only got 50/50 as usually happens, but this time with the illegal complicity of the Nationals.? Labor would win every time.

    • ibast says:

      10:33am | 01/09/10

      Reg,  Yep agree that it would gravitate towards a 2 party system.  it’s an ideal I can’t see an absolute solution to.  The 2/3 system would see not just one party in the government, but a mix.  The minor party/s would have to negotiate for representatives in the government on key issues which formed part of their campaign.  Only when a government makeup is agreed can it be voted on and formed.  This way more Australians would have their views represented and we would tend to progress as a nation, rather than become a bunch us and thems.  I don’t see why it would gravitate towards one party over another.

    • Peter says:

      11:50am | 31/08/10

      @ Chris Gardiner. This is how i view our democracy. I’m am estimating that perhaps 90% of Labour MP’s (thereabouts) supported an ETS. Going on the Liberal leadership challenge where Tony Abbott won by 1 vote, I can assume that almost 50% of the Liberal Party supported an ETS. So we have a situation where 3/4 of the house wanted an ETS but 2 leaders lost their jobs.. What a great democracy that is.

      It seems a few spoilers are winning the day in Canberra at the moment ..

    • Heather says:

      12:12pm | 31/08/10

      Actually, not everyone wants an ETS, particularly Labor’s labyrinthine mishmash, that would have saved 5% GHG emissions - woohoo - and given millions to the biggest polluters…

    • Peter says:

      12:27pm | 31/08/10

      @ Heather. I support an ETS, however i do not support doing it until the major polluters like the USA, China, Brazil and India do it as well.

      Whether climate change is crap or not, i don’t know, but on matters like this we should take a cautionary approach. If we are wrong, it’s only cost us a bit of money.

      What i would like to see in our future Government, an ETS legislation that will automatically come in force once those 4 polluters join in. That way, we can put pressure on them to do something.

      An ETS without the others joining the fray will just be a waste of effort on our part..

    • Macca says:

      03:14pm | 31/08/10

      @Peter, it could be that 50% of the liberal party preferred Turnbull as leader, rather than Abbott. Your argument assumes that the vote was simply on the lines of an ETS.

      Whilst some in the party room would have gone along these lines, I suspect more had lost confidence in Turnbull as a leader after the Godwin Grech incident

    • BarbaraT says:

      03:40pm | 31/08/10

      The only way an ETS could be introduced in Australia is if we also applied the Tax to imports from countries that don’t have an ETS.  This way at least, some of our industries will be able to compete against the rest of the world who haven’t adopted one.

    • Peter says:

      04:50pm | 31/08/10

      Agree Macca. I knew the Grech affair would ruin Turnball which is a shame. But that’s what you get when you play politics and take your eye off the ball. I still believe that after lessons learnt, Turnball is the man to run the country. I am willing to forgive his over enthusiasm to attack the government on fake documents produced by what is seemingly a dick head…

    • John says:

      12:03pm | 31/08/10

      Fair arguments why democracy (and perhaps good policy) may suffer with independents having a stronger influence on the parliament.  However, if these individuals do agree to a working pact with the ruling party this would reduce the scope that they’d be unduly influenced by lobbyists and seek parochial interests, as they then take a national role and would be obliged to play differently.  The party discipline thing is important only if it leads to good policy, otherwise it counts for nothing (and sometimes bad policy or back-flips) and helps no-one except the party remain in power.  The adversarial two-party system we have does not guarantee good policy nor long term vision, and is also influenced by external factors as we saw with the mining super profits tax, in which the coalition quickly took the opposing view as soon as the miners rallied to protect their interests.  Instead of a proper analysis of this measure - recommended in the Henry tax review - it soon became a political football, before the advent of the independents.  So we can appreciate why the community is not so in love with the two-party democracy-preservation model and would like some quality leadership with vision and courage.

    • Brian Taylor says:

      12:04pm | 31/08/10

      the independents are turning into a joke and they can’t see it, even the same voters who voted for them have said they want the independents to go with a lib/nat govt, do they hear their own voters? noooo
      get real guys, most voters in Aust DID NOT vote for you, only a small number of voters did, so why does that give you the right to DEMAND things the rest of the voters don’t want?
      one day, you will have to pay the price of your silly ideas, your own voters will not forget how you tried to play the power trip to your own ends

    • Mr Greens Voter says:

      12:53pm | 31/08/10

      “so why does that give you the right to DEMAND things the rest of the voters don’t want?”
      the constitution, election results, representative democracy, umm do you want some more ‘rights’?

      and ‘Australia’ doesn’t vote for anyone, people in an electorate vote for a Representative for the lower house and States vote for Senators to represent their state.
      Your whinging about something that is completely within the rules, and ‘most voters’ didn’t vote for Tony or Julia either as they were only on ballot for people in their electorates.

    • iansand says:

      12:34pm | 31/08/10

      The perfect solution is to only have one party.  Only members of that party can stand for election That will keep those pesky voters under control.  We know what’s best for them.

    • Margaret Gray says:

      12:38pm | 31/08/10

      I find it HILARIOUS that a rabble of rural independants who collectively scored maybe 100,000+ votes between them are being given the keys to candy store and like sugared-up children they are squealing louder than anyone for more.

      They don’t even represent the intentions of their own electorates let alone those of the broader country.

      The ‘kingmaker’s’ petulance is breathtaking and childish.

    • Peter says:

      12:54pm | 31/08/10

      About as funny as the AWU, Mark Abbib and Bill Shorten getting rid of an elected PM…

      I am much more comfortable with the current situation..

    • ibast says:

      02:54pm | 31/08/10

      Seems to me they are doing a good job and in the process representing more Australians than either of the two major parties do when they are in power.  I really do wonder about who’s payroll those that most object are on.

    • Mr Greens Voter says:

      01:02pm | 31/08/10

      I vote Independent hoping that If my guy gets in he is going to do what these guys are doing for their electorate.  labor or liberal voters commenting on actions of independents can be ignored because you didn’t vote for them anyway, they won in-spite of you not because of you and now your saying they should ignore the wishes of the people who actually voted for them and listen to you even though you have voted the same party for decades cause your grand pappy did.

    • Reg says:

      05:02pm | 31/08/10

      I think it’s strange that the AEC allows any party reference on the voting form at all. Especially any reference to a pre-arranged Coalition. Everyone stands as an Independent until after the election when they coalesce into factions. (Partys.)

      The Constitution writers were aware of this possible outcome and that it would engender co-operation. This is how the people wanted it and now it’s up to all of the candidates to make it work.

    • David Donovan says:

      03:01pm | 31/08/10

      This is a nice little article from someone trying to perpetuate the two party oligarchy. How about a system a little bit more complicated than this more characterised by strict party discipline and eternal confrontation. Or maybe we are just too barbaric to be able to move beyond our adversarial system of democracy into a more cooperative phase.

      Australia is just about the only country in the world that operates under the system where the whole of each party always votes according to the prevailing caucus view. The systems in the UK don’t have this and people can vote against their parties with impunity if they feel strongly about an issue. That is democracy.

      People are sick of this dialectic tribal system we have at the moment and that is why people are voting away from the major parties and memberships of these parties are plummeting.

      http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=10532

    • Carl Palmer says:

      03:46pm | 31/08/10

      The more these independents show their agendas the more discredited they become. The more I hear their “demands” or even suggestions the scarier it all gets. For example Rob Oakeshott has raised the idea of a mix-and-match government, he told the ABC it was a “cheeky option” and that “I do think here is a moment where we can explore the edges, and explore outside the box.” I hope he falls off the edge and into oblivion.  The next election can’t come fast enough for me because this Parliament will be a disaster.

    • Michael says:

      04:09pm | 31/08/10

      Why am I reminded of the book “Lord of the Flies”?

    • nosthow says:

      04:42pm | 31/08/10

      Yes but Oakeshott’s family did get a big scare - one nutter from the Coalition rang up pretending to be the Devil ” I’m the Devil - Booooooooooooooooo !” - no wonder his young child was frightened . And this from the party that wants to rule us !

    • Reg says:

      05:38pm | 31/08/10

      The Liberals and Nationals are aflood with their own versions on Mark Latham. ;(  Worse than that, many are also licensed to own guns.

    • David C says:

      05:49pm | 31/08/10

      is there any suggestion his young child took the call?

    • Margaret Gray says:

      05:46pm | 31/08/10

      “...I’m the Devil - Booooooooooooooooo !...”

      Did Bill do his Beelzebub voice?  He always did a great Satan @ the Midwinter.  Oh how we laughed.

      Scared the hell out Michelle.

      “...no wonder his young child was frightened…”

      Seeing as his wife answered the phone I doubt it…but then that spoils your narrative doesn’t it?

    • Graham S says:

      05:50pm | 31/08/10

      All this petulant grandstanding and scaremongering about the Coalition, Independants & The ALP and who may or may not run the country for the next few months till another election. Simple solution, Sell the country to our biggest trading partner: China. We’d inherit their extremely stable system of Government, the Independants would be treated by the Chinese like they treat their own independants, Things would get done in double quick time and no messy nuisance issues like Enviromental Impact Statements, bothersome OH & S regulations, Civil Libertarians, Unions, workers, land rights or even human rights, we’d have summary justice, no PC hairy legged feminists bothering us with their bitching and no need for all the personal attacks, abuses and exchanges of vitriol in these threads. Problem solved.

    • farkurnell says:

      10:13pm | 31/08/10

      Yeah Graham ,and if you dont agree with the govt. you get an all expenses paid one-way ticket to the Gulags.

    • Joshua says:

      06:57pm | 31/08/10

      If the three rural independents were to act according to the wishes of the clear majority of those in their electorates who voted them into office, there can be no question, doubt or even discussion as to which party they support. They vast bulk of both their electorates and direct supporters who voted them into office want the country governed by the coalition. If it was as simple as each individual elected MP facilitating the wishes of the majority in their electorate then the outcome of this hung parliament election would have been a near certainty the day after the election. The real question in this whole situation is should a local MP serve the wishes of their local electorate above all else and of cause how to facilitate that (i.e. individual policies versus broad party support - in this case forming a minority government).

    • farkurnell says:

      08:14pm | 31/08/10

      to think that the 3 stooges have influenced worthwhile reforms to
      parliament and political standards is akin to believing in the planet Paradigm. Tony will offer the Paradigmians a couple of minor reforms,so they dont lose face,then it will be back to business as usual. Basically all these so called mates are conservative by nature.Change is an alien word on the planet Paradigm.

    • nosthow says:

      10:50pm | 31/08/10

      Hilarious - Julie Bishop, the Mad Monks offering up of a Foreign Minister ( and thats a huge laugh in itself) goes on TV tonight saying the Coalition should govern because they lead the 2PP vote - Wrong again Jules - Labor is now extending their lead. As usual poor Jules is about 8 hours behind the times and thats at her best !

    • Youdy beaudy says:

      07:35am | 01/09/10

      For Christs sake, will they just get on with it. Too much political bullshit in this country. I’m sure most people would like to have a life instead of putting up with all this humdrum. These days if we want freedom we just have to take it. There is no freedom coming out of any political and party governance. Too many rules and regulations and changing them all the time to suit their own agendas. There is no constancy of leadership in our country.

      Australia is the country of no can do. One day the people will rise up in revolution if this so called fake Democracy is continued with.It is not ever giving what people need and continues to dominate every aspect of daily life. At the end of the day people just want a simple life where they can have enough to educate, feed and clothe their children, own their own homes, and try to get some sort of lifestyle that they can enjoy in their twilight years, after they have done a good job, and what can be considered their best effort with what they have had. And many have to do it with very little to nothing.

      Our lives are very short some 85 odd years on average and that’s all the time which is allotted to us. Some live longer. We need to have a more simplistic life, less materialism and demands placed on us by governments and others, so a semblance of a life can be had, and then we can all leave this crazy world behind at death.

      The Australian dream died long ago. The Politicians have killed it.

    • Reg says:

      10:53am | 01/09/10

      Reluctantly accepting such negativity, that’s an easy one. The politicians represent the people. The people killed it.

    • Youdy beaudy says:

      11:53am | 01/09/10

      Reg, I don’t agree, sorry mate. We have to live our lives according to the dictates of Politicians. The policies they make are not best for everyone and according to changes they bring in the population either suffers or succeeds. That’s my theory anyway. Maybe that’s negative according to you but if we look clearly then we will see that the world is not a very nice place for many. As far as the politicians go they represent their party line otherwise why have different parties. Maybe a Benevolent Dictator would be better.

 

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