As Victorians await the final counting to determine which party has won the State election, one outcome is clear. The green bubble has burst.

Someone point me in the direction of the recycling bin? Picture: Stuart Milligan

For the past few weeks, every prediction by the Greens - that they would claim 18 per cent of the vote, win four lower House seats and control the balance of power in Victoria - was breathlessly reported by the media.

The Greens are an anathema to Coalition supporters, who were dismayed that Adam Bandt was elected to the House of Representatives with their preferences.

When the Greens then formed an alliance with Labor, and acted as if they had gained the seat of Melbourne in their own right, many Liberals determined that it should never happen again.

The federal Labor-Green alliance killed the idea that it was better to have a Green than a Labor MP. If the Greens were never to support the Coalition, but use their new position to create a beachhead to push their radical agenda, why should the Coalition ever preference them?

Besotted by the Greens, much of the media missed this development. When I delivered a paper detailing the Greens radical agenda three weeks ago, the mainstream media largely ignored it. But it went viral on the web where more and more political discussion occurs.

It was similar to developments in the UK, where the Liberal Democrats lost seats despite widespread media expectations that they would improve their Parliamentary numbers.

The announcement that the Liberals would not preference the Greens was a turning point event in the campaign. It consolidated the conservative base, whose members and supporters were opposed to the Greens and concerned that the Liberal Party had not clarified its position.

It preserved the coalition between the Liberals and Nationals. More significantly, it demonstrated a decisiveness that had been missing from the campaign. It showed that the Liberals stood for something, and were not simply testing the breeze on every issue.

It also put the spotlight onto Labor, which until then had been demanding that the Liberals declare their position on the extreme left party.

This left Labor floundering, as it couldn’t adequately explain why it was doing a deal with the Greens over which it had attacked the Liberals.

This leaves Labor divided between those Parliamentarians pandering to the Greens because they are worried about being cannibalised in their inner city electorates, and the majority of MPs concerned that middle Australia will abandon the party if they support a radical economic, social and cultural agenda.

It demonstrates that exposing the Greens agenda and refusing any truck with it will win the support of the majority of Australians.

It exposes the deceptiveness of the Greens. The Greens courted Liberal second preferences, but sided with Labor. Bob Brown then complained petulantly that had the Liberals directed preferences to the Greens, they would have won three or four seats.

It is a lesson for the future.  By standing firm, the Coalition was rewarded with electoral support.

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    • MarK says:

      07:59pm | 28/11/10

      Love you love your work Kevin.

      The essay was very thoughtful and I enjoyed reading it.

      I will also say that you have not gone far enough here. It s not just the Green bubble that has burst. It is the “new paradigm” that has exploded. This was even admitted by the outing independent.

      People may be cynical of the majors but they are heartily sick of the independents and Greens that really are not representing their electorates in a manner befitting their vote.

      I heartily agree that the decision to NOT preference the Greens showed Baillieu in a most positive light. It gave him gravitas. It gave him the aura of conviction. Most importantly it showed he had a set and was prepared to stand up for his stated ideology.

      The Greens are an anathema to Liberals. They are a disgrace to the left as well. The are economic vandals that wish to reduce society to pre-industrial standards and hide behind environmentalism as a cloak to veil their real agenda.

      The good thing is every Liberal can take heart from the fact that Baillieu has shown them the way. There is nothing to be feared from keeping the Greens dead last. They will not deal with the right in any case. It is ridiculous to pander to them. Indeed it is sensible to ensure they get hindered and not helped.

      The Victorian election was very instructive. Let us hope the lesson has been heeded.

    • Mitch says:

      08:37pm | 28/11/10

      “The Greens are an anathema to Coalition supporters, who were dismayed that Adam Bandt was elected to the House of Representatives with their preferences.”

      This makes no sense.  Did the Coalition voters in Melbourne have a political equivalent of buyers regret when they knowingly preferenced Bandt and the Greens ahead of Labor? are they completely oblivious and just follow H2V cards (which I imagine would be in short supply in inner city Melbourne)? or do people from WA and Queensland get to elect people in Melbourne these days?

      “When I delivered a paper detailing the Greens radical agenda three weeks ago, the mainstream media largely ignored it.”

      Because Kevin all you do is repeat that the Greens are radical ad nauseam essentially because you don’t agree with them, and what little evidence you produce tends to be misrepresented (e.g. death duties, where as far as I’m aware it only affects estates $5m+, where as the Coalition and yourself paint it as effecting virtually everyone).  Efforts such as your last article here would be lucky to get a pass in a high school politics class.

      “the majority of MPs concerned that middle Australia will abandon the party if they support a radical economic, social and cultural agenda.”

      It’s one thing to actually critique another political parties policy, it’s another just to throw mud and see what sticks.  While their economic policy is radical, social and cultural issues they are pushing such as leaving Afghanistan, euthanasia and same-sex marriage are hardly radical, are mainstream issues, and are supported by a clear majority of Australians, with your own electorate being one of the most in favour of the latter.

      “But it went viral on the web where more and more political discussion occurs.”

      Viral on where?  The Liberal Party forums?

    • Andrew says:

      08:39am | 29/11/10

      Can you show me where a “clear majority of Australians” support euthanasia and same sex marriage? I don’t think they are mainstream issues. Sure the MSN loves to say they are but really, they are not.

      Kevin Andrews has no need to “throw mud and see what sticks”, all he has to do is ask people to read the green’s policies on their website. Their radical, divisive and economically irresponsible marxist policies are there for all to see.

    • Mitch says:

      11:50am | 29/11/10

      Andrew, firstly every single opinion poll has shown a clear majority in support of these issues.  All it takes is a google search.  Nielsen has support at 60% for vs 37% for same-sex marriage, Newspoll have support for euthanasia at 85% for vs 10% against.  They are mainstream issues in that they can change a significant amount of votes and who gets elected (particularly in the inner city, hence the Greens constantly pushing them), but of coarse they always are secondary to issues such as cost of living, education, health etc, just as virtually every issue outside of those have been.  On that note, I don’t think there has been a more protested over issue then same-sex marriage since Workchoices.

      If Kevin has no need to throw mud, then maybe he should refrain from doing so.  You’re doing the same thing by around labels like “marxist policies”, is there something about conservatives and resorting to schoolyard name calling?

    • Andrew says:

      02:55pm | 29/11/10

      Mitch you are living in dreamland. If same sex marriage and euthenasia are hot button vote winner issues. Why was the greens vote substantially static while labor’s fell through the floor and lib’s had a giant swing their way?

      I suppose it was just a giant right wing conspiracy.

      I’ll say it again. No-one needs to sling mud, the far left wing policies espoused by the greens speak for themselves.

      And why do you think calling their policies marxist is name calling. It’s merely an opinion. An opinion shared by many many people. i’m fairly certain I read somewhere Adam Brandt was a Marxist. Happy to be corrected, but you can’t seriously expect me to fall for the usual touchy feely green image when it is clear they are the far left of the political spectrum.

      I think you need to take the blinkers off.

    • nosthow says:

      08:56pm | 28/11/10

      Have to agree with you Andrew , the Greens are duds. They have been around for 25 years or so and have only just “won” a HORPS seat - Bandt. Although I did notice Tony Abbott trying to get in bed with them just before the Fed Election - hes a wag that Tony ! Anyway Andrew looks like Teddy may just crawl over the line in Victoria - bit rough him not winning convincingly but hey a wins a win - 11 years is plenty long enough for any government I reckon.

    • MarK says:

      06:47am | 29/11/10

      It’s Kevin

    • Andrew Bartlett says:

      09:54pm | 28/11/10

      “The Greens are an anathema to Coalition supporters” -
      and the Labor Party aren’t?

      The article also ignores the reality that the Greens have supported a minority state Liberal government in the past. I’m not sure the UK Lib Dems will come out of their formal Coalition with the UK Conservatives, the same as I suspect the Irish Greens are likely to cop an electoral caning for being part of the current Irish Coalition government. But multi-party Green coalitions with a wide range of parties have worked well for the electorate and the party in other jurisdiction. Every election and parliament has its own context. 

      The Greens vote in Victoria didn’t rise as much as expected, but it still went up, so it’s a bit of a stretch to say “the Greens bubble has burst”.  The Greens would be wise to examine why their vote didn’t rise by as much as expected/predicted by virtually every poll - which is a contrast to the federal result which met most of the poll predictions. Not winning any Lower House seats would be a disappointment for them, but further increasing the primary vote - especially in heartland seats against far better resourced competition- is hardly a disaster.

      The approach advocated by Kevin Andrews has delivered the Labor Party won 3 Lower House seats (and possible an Upper House seat or two) they would otherwise have lost as a result of the hard right reality-challenged group which now runs most of the Liberal Party and which is characterised by Kevin Andrews’ cartoonish demonising of the Greens (makes a change from smearing refugees I suppose). 

      The Liberals can make their own decisions based on their own criteria I suppose, but given the undeniable reality demonstrated over many decades in many Australian Parliament that cross-benchers are far more likely to assist the major Opposition party (of either persuasion) in ensuring greater accountability and transparency on the government of the day, it strikes me as rather short sighted.

      But the big party duopoly has long disliked diversity or fair competition when it comes to electoral politics, so perhaps that feeling has overwhelmed concerns about the effectiveness of Parliament.

      Whether the Vic Liberals decision this time is repeated in the future remains to be seen (and it looked like a decision influenced as much by lack of any preference agreement as it was by any perceived philosophical divide). If it is, it will make it harder for the Greens to win Lower House seats, but it will also sharpen (and to some extent exaggerate) philosophical divides.

      Having political contests based on competing values and philosophies would make a nice change from the managerialism and lack of debate on key philosophical choices which was characterised by the now discredited neoConservative era.

    • Richard says:

      01:04pm | 29/11/10

      No, Labor aren’t. Labor are at least willing to engage in free market reforms, as the historical example of Keating’s tenure as treasurer proves. The Greens have allowed themselves to be insidiously radicalised from with by trotskyist extremists, and are thus incompatible with liberal laissez faire ideals.

    • MarK says:

      01:30pm | 29/11/10

      Really Andrew? I take it you are “the” A Bartlett.

      Well lets have a look then.

      For a start the Labor party are not an “anathema” to the Liberals. Labor for all the ideological differences I have with it is not hell bent on destroying the economy and is not self destructive with respect to the human race. Labor broadly believes in market based solutions. Yeh I know Rudd flirted with the wet dream of the death of neoliberalism but as much as it hurts your accusation of a “discredited neoConservative era” dosen’t wash.

      Let us take for example the greatest moral challenge of our time and its solution. Let us also leave aside for the moment Gillard lied pre election and is now backflipping like a pro.

      The presumption for an ETS being required is to give the markets certainty. Appease business so it can “get on with it” whatever that means. This is the ONLY justification that Labor has left. If that is not pandering to the neoliberalism/comservatism reality and basis of our economy and polity I do not know what is.

      It must be incredibly difficult for you to get a word in these days with all your oxygen taken but really Rudds essay while cute and intellectually interesting was wrong. Plain wrong. That thinking was knifed in the back remember?

      To answer some other points.

      Sure the Greens vote went up. By less than 1% in both houses. This is also a vote held in the most “left” state going on the last federal election.

      If the Greens can’t get a result in Victoria they are stuffed. Seriously, pre election 20% was not out of the question according to polls. Saying a small increase to 11% odd from 10%ish is a victory is giving rise to the true definition of a pyrrhic victory.

      It is also totally disingenuous to say that the approach taken by Bailleu delivered three seats to Labor. I know what you are trying to accomplish but do you honestly think that 3 Greens is preferable to 3 Labor people? I don’t. I think no Greens is the best result. What Bailleu has done is kick the Greens in the crotch. He has called their bluff. And now he does not have to deal with, pander to or appease a bunch of radicals.

      And please Andrew. Lets not get too carried away with the hard right moniker and refugee bashing crap. Been there and done that. Kevin Andrews is an honourable man accused wrongly of racism and worse. Gillard is willing to talk like a grown up about these things Nixon lied and hid statistics. The police are tying themselves into political correctness knots to not name suspects by race. It is like the White House decree that muslims be not called muslims. It is perverse and ridiculous and like your insult cowardly and childish.

      “But the big party duopoly has long disliked diversity or fair competition when it comes to electoral politics, so perhaps that feeling has overwhelmed concerns about the effectiveness of Parliament.”

      This however is the crux. To translate you standing arm in arm with Brown and howling about how mean it is that those nasty hard right wing ideologues will not support you. Imagine them not supporting left wing idealists? Who would have thought it? Especially after that nice Adam chap gave the Liberals so much assistance in forming a federal government.

      It must be very worrying for you Andrew as a near irrelevance to see your legitimacy as a minor party further eroded by a decision that took courage and was seen as both wise and stupid (and that was by the Libs) further challenged when a major actually takes a stand on principle and decides to lead form the front foot.

      It will certainly keep those bastards on the far left honest as they can now be held accountable and disregarded. Who knows they may even have to explain a policy or two. As for the democrats….what do you guys have left? The left is a bit crowded. Where is your niche? Where is your solution?

      Must be hard being you.

    • Andrew says:

      02:59pm | 29/11/10

      @MarK, couldn’t have put it better myself.I dips me lid to you sir.

    • YoungCon says:

      10:22pm | 28/11/10

      The lack of a Greens presence in the Lower House brings me great joy. Whilst this may be premature, I think Bandt won’t last another parliamentary term, the little trouble maker he is.

    • David LD says:

      11:07pm | 28/11/10

      It should be a lesson for all of us; the LNP appear desperately afraid of the Greens.

      Articles like this just confirm it.

    • MarK says:

      07:46am | 29/11/10

      “the LNP appear desperately afraid of the Greens.”

      Yes.

      Exactly.

      That’s why they preferenced them last. That’s why Brown is running around like chicken little blaming the Liberals for their own parties failure to get any traction or be able to win in the lower house in its own right.

      We all really know who is afraid of who. It’s ok you can admit it. Don’t be shy.

    • Macca says:

      08:27am | 29/11/10

      44-0, with 2 seats left. Yeah that’s pretty frightening stuff.

    • David LD says:

      08:34am | 29/11/10

      Yes, that’s exactly why they preferenced them last. They’re concerned that their cosy little two-party duopoly will be torn asunder if any unapologetically progressive voice gets a say.

      Haven’t seen Bob Brown talking about a Greens failure, but he’s certainly been talking about increasing the vote in just about every electorate. Perhaps we interpret news differently.

      In any event, it will be interesting to watch the transition from a Labor to an LNP government in Victoria, given the huge swathe of issues they haven’t bothered dealing with for their 11 year term.

    • Andrew says:

      08:44am | 29/11/10

      Hehehe. Both major parties are threatened by the Greens. At least the Libs had the nuts to stand up to them. They just showed labor how to control these jokers. Will labor have the guts to preference Libs over greens?

      Can someone please do a “Downfall” parody of Bob Brown finding out the Libs will preference Labor ahead of the greens. If I had the skills I’d do it myself.

    • MarK says:

      09:15am | 29/11/10

      Ahh yes the great Green vote surge.

      As of this morning in the lower house the Greens have gone from

      2006 10.04% to
      2010 10.63%

      Hmmmm 0.59% - a MASSIVE swing…......oh wait

      Lets look at the Upper house

      2006 10.58% to
      2010 11.56%

      Ummmm ....give me a sec….oh dang so close to a whole number 0.98% swing

      Awesome David. I can see why Bob Brown is so proud of the troops. From 18-20% in the polls to errrr…...the same as before?

      The Nats got more of a swing.

      I mean seriously if this is a victory we certainly do interperept news differently.

      Bob Brown seems to be interpreting the indefensible all his own way.

      Don’t you hate it when those pesky facts and figures get in the way of a good generalisation?

    • David LD says:

      09:56am | 29/11/10

      So, I say the Greens increase their vote, and you prove it, and that somehow invalidates that they increased their vote?

      Good one.

    • TimB says:

      01:32pm | 29/11/10

      David, the point was Bob Brown has been talking about that increase like it was a big deal. MarK is showing just how pitifully small and insignificant the increase is, thus proving it is in fact not a big deal.

      And when the Greens were expecting to pick up much more of the vote and bag a few seats in the bargain…yes the result is a relative failure.

    • greg says:

      11:33pm | 28/11/10

      The ALP are hypocrites, but the Coalition are just plain stupid.

      The ALP demanded that the Coaltion preference One Nation last, but are quite happy to do preference deals with far-left Greens themselves.

      As a result, the ALP won seats on Greens preferences.

      It’s true that most Big Media journalists are biassed towards the Greens, but the Liberal preferences to the Greens in the federal election still didn’t win them any friends anywhere. It was astonishingly stupid, but then so were the Coalition voters who unthinkingly and blindly obeyed the Coaltion voting cards.

    • Gregg says:

      12:53am | 29/11/10

      Perhaps all that used to be called Global warming Climate Change early Snow falls in the UK and other parts of the Northern hemisphere for about three straight years now is starting to let people know that Natures’snow jobs will always be more reaslistic than the snow jobs being perpetuated on those willing to believe that they are causing it.
      If Penny Wong was still talking it up, she would of course being saying that more violent swings in weather have been predicted which is not hard to do for they have always been ocurring in random cyclical patterns.

      You just need your side to do a bit more homework on policies now Kevin and come out with meaningful practical alternatives and not a mish mash of the current governments because you think it might be easier to sell.
      You could start by a detailed revelation of what the ageing situation is for Australia’s base load power generators to highlight that meeting future demand in a realistic manner is far more important to this countries productivity than any Broadband super system.

      And tell Scott not to be a mamby pamby with the door left ajar for a guaranteed asylum seekers number for he ought to know full well what that will do and he was rightly rubbished by Chris Bowen for it.
      All they need to do is start sticking tents on Xmas Island and run it at the standard of a UN refugee centre and if it gets overcrowded, so it gets overcrowded just like any other refugee centre and people take their turn in the refugee selection process just like any others.
      The message will go back just like it did before and to propose anything less is an insult to intelligence of Australians.

    • John says:

      09:18am | 29/11/10

      Greg you obviously have no understanding of the science behind climate change or you would not be spewing this rubbish. Climate scientists have stated for years that climate change will increase precipitation - the amount of water in the atmosphere. As soon as the temperature drops then you get these huge snow storms because of all the extra water in the atmosphere. It has nothing to do with things somehow being colder and this disproving climate change.

      A cold day disproves climate change as much as a hot day proves it. Weather fluctuations in the short term mean NOTHING. What you have to do is have the sense to look at the long term trend.

    • MarK says:

      05:05pm | 29/11/10

      Errr John

      We can’t build damns because there will be no rain to fill them. Hence we build enormously expansive energy chewing desalination plants. Remember?

      This is why I love climate science. It causes floods, more rain, droughts, less rain, more heat, less heat, more wind less wind, more storms, less storms, more clouds, less clouds.

      In fact this climate change stuff causes….drum roll

      wait for it

      don’t get impatient….


      WEATHER!!!

      Yep. You got it. If the weather “changes” if it is hotter,colder, wetter or drier it is climate change in action. Goddam that’s science working for ya now.

      And you expect us to swallow this crap?

      You know what I want now from the warmists and climatologists is some consistency. It would stop me laughing so much. It is so not fair that the whole thing is as easy to attack as it stands. Us skeptics want a harder job. Challenge us with consistency instead of coming up with some more lies and dodgy data to attempt to justify a millenium tax and some wealth redistribution run through that paragon of virtue the UN.

      Please help.

    • John says:

      11:52am | 30/11/10

      MarK I expect you to swallow this crap? No I do not because you obviously have no understanding of the scientific basis behind climate change. In fact I doubt you would even understand the evidence presented in a peer reviewed scientific journal. The thing I just love about climate change science, you get all these armchair experts with NO understanding of the topic acting as though they understand it better than 97% of climatologists - ie. the EXPERTS

    • Adam says:

      01:35am | 29/11/10

      Honestly, this is hogwash on so many levels.
      1. Labor no more has a federal “alliance” with the Greens than it does with Tony Windsor.
      2. The Greens are likely to improve their vote from the last state election. They already have a swing to them in 80 of 88 districts and post polling day votes tend to favour the Greens. Voters didn’t burst the Greens’ bubble, the Liberals did.
      3. Labor did not do a deal with the Greens. Labor unilaterally decided to give the Greens their second preferences in most seats while the Greens were still courting the Liberals
      4. If Kevin has any polling that suggests voters in the south and outer east of Melbourne turned away from Labor because of some spurious and tenuous association with the Greens I’d like to see it. I’m certain the washup will show rather that these voters turned away from Labor because of issues like Myki, transport and a sense of “time for a change”. The only impact The Greens had out there was that they were sucking Labor resources and campaigners into seats that were formerly the very safest for Labor.
      Kevin is however right to say the Greens behaved duplicitously in the way they managed their preference dealings, and that ultimately will probably cost them a seat in the upper house.
      Plenty of lessons from this, but Kevin sounds as doctrinaire as the greens he complains about in denying the Greens represent a valid constituency. The trick for Labor is to espouse a set of values broad enough that it can appeal to several strata of society.

    • Your name:Vic Liberal says:

      06:24am | 29/11/10

      Yes Kevin, this victory is all your fault.  Like your loss to Malcolm Turnbull was a victory as well.  You are shameless.  Your “paper” was a list that was rightly ignored.  Instead of trying to spin your way into victories you had nothing to do, why don’t you acknowledge Ted’s role in this.  You didn’t even mention his name.  All your “paper” was attempting to do was undermine him.  It failed.  Time to go Kevin.

    • MarK says:

      06:49am | 29/11/10

      His loss against Malcolm was a win in actuality.

      He had the courage to stand up. he was the catalyst for the totality of the political action we saw over the last year.

      Ask K Rudd. I bet you he wishes Andrews had kept quiet.

    • Red Ted says:

      06:38am | 29/11/10

      So what happens in NSW, Kevin Andrews? Specifically, Marrickville and Balmain. In the August Federal poll. your party preferenced the Greens. In Grayndler the Greens got so excited they demanded a recount. On 24%, they thought they had “won”, and they almost did. Why? Because your party wanted them too.

      Admit it Mr Andrews… Tony Abbott is delighted to have Adam Bandt and the Labor Party ripping itself apart on gay marriage…

    • MarK says:

      07:48am | 29/11/10

      An error that won’t be repeated.

      Ahh the new paradigm.

      Open the curtains and let the sunshine in indeed.

    • Dann da Man says:

      06:41am | 29/11/10

      Good Onya Andrew! Article is spot on. The Greens are very radical and running the Federal Government as you only have to notice how Federal labor is supporting gay marriages pandering up to the greens and I am sure Victorians want leadership not apanderer like Ms Gillard is.

    • Whisperer says:

      07:04am | 29/11/10

      Oh no ,my visions ,the ones where the tree huggers are chained to their beloved trees and a bulldozer heading towards them totally in its sights ,stuck in first gear and no one at the controls is coming true

    • CJ Morgan says:

      07:14am | 29/11/10

      Another day, another anti-Green rant from Kevin Andrews.  The Tories are running scared.  Somebody should tell Mr Andrews that schadenfreude isn’t a good look.

      Just wait for it to ramp up once the Greens senators take their seats in July.

    • CynicalGoatWA says:

      02:19pm | 29/11/10

      Yeah the Libs are crapping themselves in fear of the Greens…....not. Any party that exists only because of preferences are a joke and the sooner that the basket weaving, latte sipping, Al Gore worshipping, Radio National listening, carbon tax loving, hemp wearing,shoe throwing, deodorant averse great unwashed realise that, then the better off we’ll all be.

    • rod sexton says:

      07:41am | 29/11/10

      I can’t wait for Brown to retire from politics and then watch the Greens disintegrate as they fight over the leaders positon

    • Andrew says:

      08:50am | 29/11/10

      Bob Brown looks very tired to me. It must be hard to hold together the rabble that calls itself the greens.

    • Joel B1 says:

      07:45am | 29/11/10

      I love the paranoid nature of the Greens defacto (what does that mean in this context?) leaders response to the loss of preferences from the Coalition.

      Apparently “Labor bosses got on the phone to their mates in BIG BUSINESS at the BIG END OF TOWN who got on the phone to their mates in the Coalition to stop the preferences going to the Greens”. Bizarre.

      The Greens are always “victims of conspiracy” if they don’t get their own way. Peg Putts historic (and hysterical) 45 minute election night rant at not having gained more seats in a recent Tassie election illustrated this perfectly.

    • Dale Peterson says:

      09:55am | 29/11/10

      When the Liberal Party preferenced the “former” Marxist Adam Bandt he immediately showed his gratitude by helping Julia Gillard form government. Of course Liberal supporters would feel dismayed. The Greens need to be told that what the Liberals giveth, the Liberals taketh away.

      Hopefully the Labor Party will now start being subject to the same scrutiny as the Liberals were on the question of Green preferences.

      The Liberal position on the extreme Greens is now crystal clear (and correct in-principal), but where the hell does Labor now stand on this issue? John? Julia? Anyone?

    • Steve O says:

      07:11pm | 29/11/10

      Major party does deal with extreme group? That has been the libs with the Nats for years. How can anyone reconcile the supposed free marlket ideals if the libs with the tariff ad protectionist approach of the Nats, except to say that there is no other way they would ever win government without each other.

    • Jono says:

      01:32pm | 30/11/10

      Far out there are some pretty scary, narrow minded trolls in this lot….heaven forbid that anyone, anywhere should hold differing opinions to the Lab/Lib status quo…..MarK, get some counselling please.
      A daft individual named Albert Einstein once said, “We can’t solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them.” What would he know eh? Silly bugger.

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I have no problem paying my taxes. As a single, childless person on a very decent income, I can afford it and not have my life severely altered. Plus I understand that my taxes paying for things like schools, childcare and infrastructure is ultimately a good thing. A better community is better for me… [read more]

Gentle jabs to the ribs

They must pay for one’s bitter disappointments

They must pay for one’s bitter disappointments

A private school girl’s family is sueing her elite, extremely expensive private school for not… Read more

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