‘Violence against women’ are three particularly distressing words. Words that should never go together. I’d like to think we all agree.

 In the kitchen at Elsie, Glebe, 1974. It was Australia's first women shelter.

Turns out, maybe not.

A recent study indicates that, “one in four people think women falsify or exaggerate claims of rape and domestic violence”. That’s too many people blaming the victims for my liking.

On the contrary, considering the fact that fear and shame play a huge part in creating a cycle of violence, I would go so far as to say that many women understate or simply do not talk about the violence which is done to them.

Women’s Health Victoria Executive Director Marilyn Beaumont says, “Facing up to the fact that it is occurring and speaking up about it can be a very difficult process for women who are victims of abusive behaviours.”

VicHealth compiled the results of this latest federally funded survey of more than 10,000 Australians, and some of those results were encouraging. It’s a relief to hear that 98 per cent of respondents now recognise domestic violence as a crime, up from 93 per cent in a similar 1995 survey.

However, the report goes on to predict that one in three women will be the victim of violence in their lifetime. Again, that’s a shocking statistic that any right thinking person should be outraged about. But are we?

VicHealth CEO, Todd Harper, said, “The sheer numbers of women affected by violence, mostly committed by the men with whom they share their lives, remain horrific. We must do everything we can to challenge the kind of attitudes, behaviours and practices that allow violence against women to flourish.”

When I asked author and former-women’s rights advocate Joanne Fedler for her thoughts on the report she said, “When I worked in the violence against women sector, we found that it was almost impossible to persuade or educate the public that violence against women was ‘wrong’ - people who don’t ‘get’ it - for whatever reason will never ‘get’ it. Telling people ‘it’s wrong to rape a woman’ is a rather depressing no-brainer, but it still happens.”

“We’ll only shift attitudes when women own their power. We have to stop talking about ‘violence against women’ and shift the debate to women’s empowerment and equality. Waiting around for men to change their attitudes to women is futile and totally disempowering. Women first have to change their attitudes to themselves.”

Joanne’s suggestions for ways that, “women can protect themselves and shift how we are perceived by men” are, at once, both radical and sensible. She says that women should, “delay marriage, stop romanticising it, and even question marriage as a life choice.”

Some of the other keys to remaining safe from violence include being educated and gaining financial independence. Ultimately, she says, “women should learn the most powerful word a woman can utter: NO.”

A few years ago I attended a performance of The Vagina Monologues. This play by Eve Ensler is usually staged in support of V-Day – a global movement to end violence against women and girls http://www.vday.org/home. The outstanding memory of that performance for me actually came after the curtain call.

Under a single stagelight one of the performers asked anyone who had been a victim of violence or abuse to stand up.

It started as a trickle. An older lady here, a younger one there. Then a couple more over there, a few more here. Then the man in front of me stood up. Next to me, my best friend got to her feet. And then I did. In a place free from shame and judgement we were safe to admit what had happened to us.

Really, is it too much to ask that one day no-one will have to stand up?

Jayne Kearney is the editor of Sunny Days magazine.

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    • Formersnag The Child Protector says:

      07:30am | 15/04/10

      Dear Jayne & other Ladies, Some questions for you.

      1, Do all specialist Family Lawyers, in all states & territories, Routinely advise all clients, that the first ex partner, in with a DVO/AVO wins custody?

      2, Have any male babies ever been bashed to death inside a domestic violence refuge?

      3, Have any “domestic violence refuges” ever been used as, de facto Emergency “homeless” accommodation? Whereby a social worker temporarily, houses a woman &/or children, who have merely moved out of a relationship & a man’s home?  Were any of those women required by management, as a condition of their accommodation, to fill in a form & “tick the box” saying “he bashed me”? Have some of your alleged “DV stats” ever been compiled with this “Methodology”?

    • BTS says:

      08:03am | 15/04/10

      No they advise the women if they lodge a DVO they improve their chances of custody. If you can throw in an allegation of sexual abuse, that also improves your chances.

      Traditionally, the Family Law Court gives custody to women as a rule.  Why?

    • AliceC says:

      09:19am | 15/04/10

      @Formersnag

      So all vitims of domestic violence are evil, male baby-bashing, liars? Have you ever been to a shelter and listen to one of these women’s (or child’s) stories? Would society be better off if all of these women had nowhere to go except the street?

      Yes, there will always be people who abuse the system, but does that give reason for the system to be removed completely and victims of domestic violence to fend for themselves?

      How about you answer this question:

      How many people (men and women) have been killed in their own home due to domestic violence?

    • Alison says:

      10:03am | 15/04/10

      Way to miss the point completely.

      1: No, they don’t. My specialist family lawyer never even mentioned such a thing to me.

      2. I imagine there have been male babies bashed to death inside a domestic violence refuge. Post-traumatic stress disorder makes some people pick up guns and shoot strangers; it certainly does make women violent towards their own children. I’d strenuously argue the point that they don’t distinguish between the genders of their children when they commit these atrocities, however.

      3. Yes, refuges have been used as emergency homeless accommodation. That’s why they’re called a refuge. No, they are not required to tick any such box. No person who cares for victims of domestic violence (and I have been both a victim and a carer) would ever ask a person who was not a victim to pretend to be one. That in itself would be an assault, and carers would never trivialise the real victims by faking the numbers. The numbers don’t need to be faked to make an impact, they are appalling as they are.

      4. Grow up.

    • BTS says:

      10:00am | 15/04/10

      Just because it didn’t happen to you, doesn’t mean that Lawyers don’t routinely tell women to lodge violence orders.

    • Alison says:

      10:28am | 15/04/10

      @BTS go back and read the question. “Formersnag” specifically asked “do lawyers routinely advise all clients”. I answered his (stupid, paranoid) question.

      And the reason the Family Court tends to give custody to women? Because women are overwhelmingly the primary caregivers, and continuity is the best for children during upheaval.

    • BTS says:

      11:03am | 15/04/10

      Alsion,

      I know what the question said, the answer is routinely they do.  That doesn’t mean every time, but routinely they do.

      Women are no longer the primary care giver.  Women also don’t take to divorce very well.  Is that the kind of toxic environment you want a child in?

    • An Idle Dad says:

      01:23pm | 15/04/10

      @BTS Wow. Dial back the anger, son. Women don’t take to divorce very well? Toxic environment?

      Start with leaving out the toxic barbs. If you have a point to add to the discussion, you’re honestly losing it with that approach.

    • Formersnag The Child Protector. says:

      06:37pm | 15/04/10

      @ AliceC, no, not many, “real survivors” of DV, at all, but many alleged victims of DV are liars & abusing their children, by poisoning their child’s, relationship with the other parent, a well documented, scientifically proven fact.

      Yes i have been to a shelter, heard all the stories both real & fictional, have many DV industry, social work contacts, both former, current & no, i never suggested any such thing, you did.

      No, there does not, always, need to be, “people abusing the system” the DV industry, could be reformed, by for example, removing all feminists whose views are too extreme, or unfair?

      Q&A, i don’t know, exact, current, figures because in jurisdictions run by the red/green/labour coalition, they never seem to be available. when conservative governments release the raw data, the surveys/stats always, however, differ considerably from the feminist propaganda.

      @ Alison, 1, yes they almost always do, or have done.

      2, The best available stats on child murder are from WA, with mum responsible 75%, dad 25%. i agree about the PTSD &/or BPS Battered Partner Syndrome, driving many men to commit retaliatory DV.

      3, i am reliably informed that many women, are routinely asked, to tick the box. Are you sure the numbers have not been faked? The figure from the article was 1/3, until very recently feminists were quoting 2/3s. Other internationally renowned sociologists have found -01% or 1 in 1,000 from real, medical, evidence, which includes all, the alleged under reporting, charging, convicting, etc.

      4, i am grown up & lets try another question for you. Do lesbian &/or bisexual women, have a “vested interest” in trying to scare, straight women queer with feminist, scary stories about men?

      @ An Idle Dad, BTS was quite correct about “toxic Environments”, they can be produced by either parent, its been covered by scientists smarter than all of us & is more commonly done by mums.

    • BTS says:

      07:27pm | 15/04/10

      Idle Dad,

      First of all, I am not your son, but good luck with the search.

      Who’s angry?  Is that your interpretation your placing on me?

      How many divorced women have you dealt with?  I have seen dozens, so perhaps a little more authoritative, at least on an anecdotal basis.

      I apologise for offending your sensibilities.  Please let me know your email address so you can edit my future contributions to meet with your approval.

    • Ellie says:

      03:09pm | 16/04/10

      “4, i am grown up & lets try another question for you. Do lesbian &/or bisexual women, have a “vested interest” in trying to scare, straight women queer with feminist, scary stories about men?”

      I’m sure they are around, but I hope you are not trying to suggest that it is something that all lesbian or bisexual women do…

    • Eric says:

      09:41am | 15/04/10

      First of all, a false accuser is not a “victim”, but a perpetrator. The victims in such cases are the men who are falsely accused, and who suffer just as much as victims of rape and violence.

      Some studies indicate that as many as half of all claims of rape are false.

      More info here: http://falserapesociety.blogspot.com/

      Secondly, at least half of all domestic violence is instigated by women.

      http://pn.psychiatryonline.org/content/42/15/31.2.full

      That being said, only a small minority of domestic relationships are violent.

    • d.jay.stevo says:

      10:00am | 15/04/10

      Did you notice the age group of the study?  Perhaps they would have gotten different result if they had widened the age group.  Also, I would not expect victims of serious domestic violence, especially if it is on going, to be truthfully forth-coming in any such study. So domestic violent relationships are not a serious issue? Thankfully only a small minority of relationships are violent, if you believe your stats, but I can tell you, as a survivor, (I will not refer to myself as victim), you will never find accurate statistics, because of the complexities involved, psychologically especially, those who have suffered abuse, will more often try to hide the seriousness of it all.  Women saying they were the instigator, doesn’t carry a lot of weight with me, as this is what the abuser tries to instill, is that is is the abused’s fault, that they caused the violence to occur.  Eric, it seems you are what the article is all about!

    • Salec says:

      10:27am | 15/04/10

      And I would love to see that stats on how many men are victims of violence in thier lifetime. I would hazard a guess that it is much more than 1 in 3. I do not condone violence against women. I do not condone violence against men. I do not condone violence, fullstop. The best way change the appaling statistics of PEOPLE who are victims of violence is too change the discourse to one of opposition to all violence.

      And what eric says is 100% correct. Believing that some women make false accusations is not blaming the victim. If you are suggesting that there is no such thing as a false acuusation you have your head in the clouds.

      that said, domestic violence is a terrible terrible thing. But i honestly belive the best way to reduce it is to stop pretending it is a crime committed by men against women. It is a societal problem commited by both men and women and needs to be stopped.

    • Eric says:

      10:56am | 15/04/10

      d.jay.stevo: “Women saying they were the instigator, doesn’t carry a lot of weight with me”

      In other words, you have made up your mind to blame men for everything. So sad to see you filled with such hatred for an entire gender.

    • Nathan says:

      11:57am | 15/04/10

      I’ve been physically assaulted by more women in my life than I have men. I have not reported these assaults to the police because I’d be laughed at. If a bloke had done it, he’d be in jail. If I had’ve physically defended myself, I’d be in jail.

      In relation to another article on this site and this one, Feminism is just man-hating chauvenism, masquerading as an equality push.

    • Paul Horn says:

      12:45pm | 15/04/10

      Yes Eric, d.jay.stevo’s logic is confounding! So any woman who considers herself a perpetrator cannnot be speaking the truth as she must be a victim of some male somewhere. It is this kind of distorted feminine thinking that governs the generation of such lying deceitful statistics such as the one quoted in the above article. It is this misandrist thinking that has enabled hundereds of women to walk free after murdering their husbands on the outrageous pretext of domestic abuse even though many of these murders had been planned over many months.

      It is this illogical thinking that creates laws that state that sex with a drunk woman is an act of rape regardlsss of consent but that a drunken man is culpable no matter what. How can you twist the logic for one gender and apply it without the same consideration for the other? It strikes me as strange that feminists would support such a law considering that it treats women as idiots without the ability to be responsible for their actions. But then feminists could’nt care less for the general welfare of women providing that a male was suffering far greater injustices. That is the sickness of such a degenerate philosophy. Time to rid it from the face of the Earth!

    • SkepDad says:

      10:25am | 15/04/10

      While I and any reasonable person agree that violence against women (or against anyone for that matter) is unacceptable, it’s misleading to equate public opinions on falsification levels with “blaming the victims”.

      Without seeing the actual survey questions (which neither your article or the linked SMH article cite) it’s all just so much sensational and shallow opinion.  Furthermore, survey responses are, by definition, opinion not data.

      For example: one in three women will be assaulted in their lifetime.  Shocking, yes.  But is that a statistic on domestic assault, or assault in general?  What is the corresponding statistic for males?  I (as a male) have been assaulted many times in my lifetime, both domestically by my ex-wife, who knew she could get away with it because I would never hit her back, and by random strangers in a pub while I enjoyed a peaceful drink.  I’d be surprised if the general assault rates for males were not even higher than one in three.  Is anyone shocked about that, or do we not care so much about assaults on males, because we are supposed to be able to take it?

      If you’re going to make a case for widespread “blaming of victims”, you’d want to make a more logical case than this sorry bunch of non sequiturs.

    • Barry Alexander says:

      12:43pm | 16/04/10

      Jeez- do you have a target painted onyou?

    • AliceC says:

      10:41am | 15/04/10

      @ Eric

      A blog is not a basis for statistics on any topic. Here is a report for the Australian Governmet Institue of Criminology:

      http://aic.gov.au/documents/6/8/E/{68ED8713-19FB-42A7-92C0-02767AB5B497}facts09_001.pdf

      Yes, there are people who make false accusations, but are you telling me a man has never done this? So all victims should be branded as liars?

      The author is talking about genuine victims of crime, not false accusers.

      “only a small minority of domestic relationships are violent.” So that’s acceptable to you then, a small amount of domestic violence? I prefer to the concept of no domestic violence, which is what we all need to work towards…

    • Eric says:

      10:41am | 15/04/10

      AliceC, you should stop putting up strawmen like this: “So all victims should be branded as liars?”

      I didn’t say that at all. You’re being dishonest.

      As for statistics, I wouldn’t trust a government source. It’s pretty obvious that governments discriminate against men in all ways.

      There are very few studies that seriously look at false rape claims, as opposed to trying to generate scary statistics about rape. Here’s one, which indicates a false report rate of 41%:

      http://falserapearchives.blogspot.com/2009/06/archives-of-sexual-behavior-feb-1994.html

      Go and read the website for yourself, and see what is really going on.

    • AliceC says:

      11:10am | 15/04/10

      @Eric

      So you don’t trust government sources, but someone’s blog as the source of truth?

      I agreed with you, some people do make false accusations, but the author is discussing genuine victims.

      What you’re bringing to light is seperate to the fact that genuine victims of crime need to feel safe enough to talk about their experiences and report the crime.

    • An Idle Dad says:

      10:43am | 15/04/10

      Oh man, I’m torn by this article.

      Violence against women is unacceptable. I love the idea that once women empower themselves then attitudes change. Soft power has always worked better than top-down enforcing of beliefs.

      I’m all over the idea of education and financial independence - of course this is the key. Hurray. More of it I say. Delay marriage - cool. Stop romanticising it - I’m on-trend.

      Question marriage as a life choice - WTF? Don’t get married will solve domestic abuse? Seriously?

      What is it about marriage that is so objectionable? At a time when the GLBT crowd are clamouring to join the team (and as far as I’m concerned, very welcome too), feminists are clamouring to get out?

      As a guy, this article has a anti-man feel, probably because I take anti-marriage comments as anti-male comments. It’s possible I’ll get slaughtered in the comments as a sexist pig a-hole (and please, if you have an compelling argument as to why I am, please let me know, my wife will love it) but the stat “one in three women will be victims of violence” in the context of this article reads (to me) as “one in three women are beaten by their husbands”.

      That makes me very, very uncomfortable. “Violence” in that statistic doesn’t equal domestic abuse, does it? The percentage of domestic abuse within marriage is surely much smaller than that. And surely a society without marriage won’t magically solve domestic abuse issues will it? Joanne Fedler is kidding herself.

      Just saying.

    • Alison says:

      11:25am | 15/04/10

      To answer your question about why marriage is so objectionable for women: because it’s bad for us. Married women don’t live as long as single women; they will be financially worse off if divorced than a woman who remains single. They will be less healthy. They will be more likely to be assaulted or murdered.

      And yes, marriage does have an effect on domestic violence. Because the kind of man who thinks it his privilege to beat a woman who displeases him, is not going to settle for de facto. They want the “ownership” that they (not all men) associate with marriage.

      In these days, when a woman can be fully independent should she wish to be so, when illegitimacy is no longer a stigma, and if she has no religious imperative that drags her to the altar, marriage is an iffy proposition for most women, if it is assessed objectively.

    • AliceC says:

      11:31am | 15/04/10

      @An Idle Dad
      I don’t think the intention of the article was to be anti-man. And you’re right, violence does not equal domestic abuse (violence can happen at the hands of a stranger), but it’s still a scary stat (being a woman).

      I do agree with you, that stopping marriage won’t stop abuse. Education and support for everyone is the key.

    • BTS says:

      12:18pm | 15/04/10

      Except that it’s women dragging men off to the altar, more often than not.

    • Tim says:

      12:15pm | 15/04/10

      Alison,
      i don’t know where you’re getting your information from but it is completely wrong.
      Married women live longer than single women.
      Married women (without children) are more financially secure than single women.
      Married women are far less likely to be victims of assault and rape than single women.

    • An Idle Dad says:

      01:20pm | 15/04/10

      Alison,
      We all agree that violence within a relationship needs to be eradicated. I want happy, healthy independent women in my life. Not just my wife and daughters, but my boss and my friends and my neighbours. It’s better for me, better for children and better for society. But again, saying that marriage is what gets women assaulted or murdered doesn’t ring true. Bad men do bad shit. In a marriage or out of one.

      And this is my problem with Christian ideals around marriage - i.e. no real (and by real I mean cohabiting, sexually active) relationships before marriage and no divorce is a terrible idea. Relationships need practice like anything else. Sometimes you pick a terrible partner and need to pick another, with a better idea of what to look out for. Some lessons are hard to learn but better to learn and move on than be trapped with a mistake.

      But if we take away marriage, what is it replaced with? Do defacto laws work better during a messy break-up than divorce? Are defacto relationships better for a woman’s health?

      Or if not defacto, what is your proposition?

    • An Idle Dad says:

      01:39pm | 15/04/10

      BTS, don’t try and help me, mate. Thanks

    • Ray says:

      02:17pm | 15/04/10

      Hey Alison, for your info no man lives as long as any woman on average.
      Divorced women worse off financially than single women. Tru Greg Norman’s wife and every other wife who cleqans the bloke out upon divorce.
      Bloke thinks of hisright to beat a woman and ‘ownership’, Really these are the most offensiveof stereotyping for convenience.
      And I can tell you marriage is more than ‘iffy’ for men as once they marry they are in a no win situation. The law will decimate them if the wife chooses to ‘go’. Cougar experience or not

    • BTS says:

      07:43pm | 15/04/10

      Idle Dad,

      Interesting personality issues you demonstrate.  I was talking to Alison, so don’t assume your important enough for me to want to assist you.

    • Adam Diver says:

      11:59am | 15/04/10

      Since we are going to continually atack segments of society I am going to throw another one in for you. How many of the domestic violence abuse comes from aboriginal or muslim or immigration households?

      Oh no thats racist you can’t say that, we are all equal when it comes to race etc, but we are happy to continually attack individual genders for being at fault of societies issues.

      Secondly and more importantly:

      A recent study indicates that, “one in four people think women falsify or exaggerate claims of rape and domestic violence”. That’s too many people blaming the victims for my liking.

      That is the worse piece of journalistic garbage with the dumbest link to your viewpoint I have seen and it seems you get paid too much for your garbage for my liking.

    • Jenni says:

      11:58am | 15/04/10

      I would like to see more emphasis in violence in general, and not just against women. I think it is appalling that violence against men BY women is almost never mentioned, and that any time someone (like myself) dares to broach the issue, the responding comments are usually along the lines of “oh but that rarely happens” or that “violence against women is much worse”. Violence against any person of either gender, perpetrated by a person of either gender is equally abhorrent. Because cases of violence against men happens less often, this does not make it ok, and it does not mean that the victim has suffered any less as a result, merely because he is male.

      For the record, I am female, and I HAVE been a victim of violence. Society as a whole needs to condemn ALL acts of violence, and encourage both male and female victims to speak out and seek justice, without fearing they will be judged as “weak” or somehow to blame for their situation.

    • A Bob says:

      12:56pm | 15/04/10

      In her book, ‘Kill the Body, the Head will Fall : a Closer Look at Women, Violence and Agression’, Rene Denfeld took a detailed look at American statistics for violence in relationships.

      She found that women were as likely as men to commit acts of violence against their partners or children. In many case the women were slightly ahead. She found that the stereotypes of the maternal instinct or that women only struck out in self defence to be false. Overall, women were no different to men.

      She also found that these statistics were frequently concealed or deliberately falsified. The famous campaign with a poster claiming that ‘every x seconds a woman is beaten by her spouse’ actually combined all stats for abuse, male or female, and just counted them as cases of battery against women.

      The truth is that this is a problem for all of society. Allowing ideology to taint the real situation means the problem will never be addressed properly and many innocents will continue to suffer.

    • stephen says:

      02:01pm | 15/04/10

      Workers on low incomes, like myself, have a Union to protect my rights because of the inherent imbalance of power between me, and my Employer.
      Women, in relation to Men, also suffer the same indignity, and it is foolish of anyone to pretend that, in the push and shove of a dis-harmony in the social situation, that major harm wouldn’t be suffered by the weaker. Women, physically, are susceptible, and it is very un-manly of anyone to suggest otherwise.

    • Arnold says:

      09:16pm | 15/04/10

      Are you seriously comparing the power imbalance between employer and employee to the difference between men and women?  Of all the posts on this forum so far, this takes the case as most ridiculous. 

      Though, in your defence, since they are of course the weaker gender, women never ever ever hurt men.  Oh, wait.

      It’s not hard to see why you are on a low income…

    • Thea Smith says:

      02:15pm | 15/04/10

      Oh yes, it’s all good and well for Joanne to say

      “We’ll only shift attitudes when women own their power. We have to stop talking about ‘violence against women’ and shift the debate to women’s empowerment and equality. Waiting around for men to change their attitudes to women is futile and totally disempowering. Women first have to change their attitudes to themselves.”

      But I’m an educated woman. I said ‘no’. I was still a victim of violence.
      This attitude just makes women, once again, feel not good enough!

    • Kate says:

      02:23pm | 15/04/10

      Studies like this make me sad. They make me sad that there are morons out there who think some women ‘deserve it’ when they get a bit mouthy or out of line.
      But it also makes me sad that violence against women, rather than domestic violence, is often the target of public awareness campaigns, newspaper articles etc. Women can be abusive too - more so emotionally than physically, but it happens. Men who have been victims of emotional or physical abuse are probably even less likely to speak up, due to the probable stigma attached, and the fear that other men will just tell them to ‘man up’.

      Another problem is the lack of support for victims - both male and female - and the lack of confidence in the justice system that leaves many victims reluctant to proceed with prosecution.

      Personally, I don’t much like the word ‘victim’ (I know, I just used it, but it seems to be the accepted vernacular). I was emotionally and physically abused by an ex-boyfriend over the course of three years. It’s caused huge problems for me, especially in terms of trusting men and being able to sustain a healthy relationship. But I refuse to consider myself a victim because I want to believe that one day, the abuse will truly be in the past. I won’t duck and flinch when someone raises their arm in front of me. I won’t suspect men I am dating to be cheating on me or thinking violent thoughts. And I feel truly sorry for anyone else - male or female - who knows what this feels like, how damaging to your self-esteem domestic abuse is, and who is still struggling to recover.

    • The Shaking Head says:

      02:31pm | 15/04/10

      Male dinosaurs and female dinosaurs arguing who’s fault the crashed meteor was.  Please become extinct soon.

    • Kitty Mellow says:

      03:43pm | 15/04/10

      I think stopping violence is the answer. Hormones rage and women lash out, men get drunk and do things they later will regret, others are just violent people who feel all the answers in life are settled by abuse.
      We may have evolved but not far enough to get rid of our violent streaks. We still go to war and maim and kill others who personally done us no harm. We enjoy sports that have a violent element to them We are a species that thrives on the scent of blood. True predators. Until we evolve further I am afraid this element of our being will stay with us, unless we keep it under control

    • sha says:

      04:14pm | 15/04/10

      I don’t like eric much.Is it just me?Or is he just getting vicarious pleasure disagreeing with anything remotely considered feminist ....or not feminist.Maybe he is The Punch “plant” to instigate debate on this site. Anyway, after working years in alcohol and drug addiction its invariably a man that has prompted these sad women and children on the way to ruin through consistant emotional and physical abuse. Mysogonists may argue till the cows come home , get milked and die a natural death. eric, you maybe one of them. Mysogonist…not cow.(or bull to be technical). Are you my ex husband?

    • Karl says:

      05:50pm | 15/04/10

      “Women Against Violence.”  The three words work quite well together.

    • John says:

      05:39pm | 15/04/10

      I am certain that there are women who “falsify or exaggerate claims of rape and domestic violence”.  I am equally certain that there are many more women suffering in silence who should getting out and getting help.  I am also certain that there are women who are the villains of the piece with men and children their victims. 

      What really bothers me in this is all the carry on that “violence against women is ‘wrong’”.  Well of course it is, but the subliminal undercurrent that goes with it implies that violence against men is okay.

      And after all that, we seem to be continually addressing the symptoms and ignoring the underlying causes (which is too big a topic in its own right to go into here).  Perhaps it is because those causes and the solutions to them go against all our popular PC beliefs and practices.

    • sha says:

      06:14pm | 15/04/10

      I have no answer for you John.One of the few here.Get out in your community and get qualified to comment. Yes there are men that are abused domestically.I have seen it but it will in no way tsunami the number of women and childen…yes children ..(an absence in this debate)...that live directly on a daily basis with a violent angry drunk partner.

    • Ausfire says:

      08:06pm | 15/04/10

      In response to your (sha) comment about abuse and children, you should take a look at the recent WA government research (ironically, the only state in Australia to gather such research) into abuse against children. The surprise you will find is that it is not fathers (men) that are the predominate abusers of children ... it is mothers (women). Even including the predominately male aspect of sexual abuse of children (biological and non-biological fathers).

      Lump the abuser (mothers) in with the abused (child), and you are misrepresenting and manipulating the statistics. If you stated instead that men and children (totals) are predominately the victims of DV from women, you would be correct. Associating a gender with statistics relating to children you gain a false positive - a very bad and misleading research practice. It all depends on the wording whether you can trick the ignorant into believing bias driven “research”.

      The “women’s personal safety study 1996” is a prime example of this (and promoted by VicHealth). One question resulted in a 96% affirmative answer. If the same question was posed to males, I know you would get at least the same affirmative result. It was a misleading question aimed at justifying the biased “study”.

      I have ceased to be amazed at the number of “sheep” in the Australian populace - I now expect it.

    • Ausfire says:

      07:40pm | 15/04/10

      My first ex-wife used to swing at me and i’d always block - she’d end up hurting herself. When it came to family court, my blocking was used against me to show that *I* was the violent one in the relationship. My insistance of change over for the kids outside the police station was seen as he humiliating her - I was protecting myself. It is amazing how lawyers can change things around and be automatically believed by the courts.

      My 2nd wife used to phone the police if I refused to do something or if I’d object to her running off with the kids. Even a hole in the wall wasn’t evidence to the police of her being violent. To the police, I was the violent one because she said so and I was a male.

      The latest is my 14 yo daughter (most likely at my 1st wife’s insistance) accusing me of “scratching and punching” her while removing her mobile phone that she refused to either listen to the music elsewhere or turn off - so much for the sanctity of parental responibility. I immediately visited the police station the following morning to show them the lack of nails I have and demonstrated that it was impossible for me to scratch anyone. As for punching, I have to drive an automatic car as it would be extremely painful for me to operate a manual car because of chronic injuries.

      As for the “Australia says no to domestic violence against women” (and yes to DV against men) ads, when I asked my then 11 yo daughter her perceptions they were ... “it isn’t ok for boys to hit girls but it’s fine for girls to hit boys.” Is this REALLY the message the government wants to send out about DV?

      As for being a male and getting an AVO against a woman ... that is a joke in itself. The police are trained to act with bias against the male - you only need to look at the latest NSW program regarding DV and the legislation to confirm that (or in my case, contact the NSW A-G).

      As for “research” coming from the Victorian government, or more specifically VicHealth, that isn’t research ... that is selectively collected (and manipulated) statistics to prove a point to further government funding against men.

      As an end note, violence against women in Australia is minor compared to the violence against males. Males are 3 times more likely to be a victim of violence than women. Hmmm,  that must make it that 3 in 3 men will be subjected to violence considering it is 1 in 3 women. Think on that one!

      Violence against ANYONE is unacceptable in any form. Until the genderisation and stereotyping is put aside and the target of violence against anyone is tackled, very little if any headway will be made against violence in our society. DV can not be truely tackled until it is accepted that men are also victims of DV, more often than not, in it’s psychological form - it’s the wounds that can’t be seen that are the most damaging.

      I was going to post a link here to a podcast (I have saved on my PC) regarding how DV statistics are are manipulated and “created” from actual cases with evidence. Very informative. Will post the link once I find it on the net again.

    • BTS says:

      02:29pm | 16/04/10

      Really?

      Trained to act with bias against males.  Trained?

      Have you been through the training?

    • Ausfire says:

      05:03pm | 16/04/10

      No, but I know people (some personally) and know of persons (including a family member) that have been through the training. Good enough?

      Pretty sure I still have a letter (or email) here somewhere stating as such as well from the NSW A-G office. Or, I may of just thrown it out in disgust. Plus I have personal experience of this disgusting bias.

      I can also include a case I know personally where the Area Commander was tricked into forcing the police under his control to take out an AVO against a women after they refused because the victim was a male.

      The Area commander had the facts put to him personally with gender ommitted. When he stated that an AVO should have been issued on this “bloke” he was informed that the offender was a woman. He had assumed it was a male that was the offender and once he had made that statement, it was impossible for him not to act to protect this person with an AVO without admitting bias. This totally confirms the bias in the actions of original attending police and also my statement. The court later confirmed the need for the AVO against this woman.

    • BTS says:

      11:32am | 17/04/10

      Ausfire,

      Don’t take the personally, but Police take out orders on females everyday.  Isolated cases don’t make the general rule.  If you think that they are ‘trained’ to take action based on sex, you are misguided.

    • WestOt says:

      09:40pm | 06/05/10

      I am a female who has been abused by my (now ex) husband for many years.  He called the police and had a DVO taken out against me. I couldn’t afford to contest it.  After this happened, I was too frightened to defend myself for a long time because he would threaten to call the police and have me “breached” whenever I tried to defend myself.  Eventually the time came when he did call the police and I can assure you the police had NO qualms in charging a petite young women with apparently “bashing” her large drunk husband despite the fact that I was covered in bruises and there was no evidence that I had laid a hand on him. 

      I am now in a situation where I again can’t afford to defend myself in court because I am trying to support our 10 month old son.  So I will become one of the “statistics” of women perpetrating violence against men.  I wonder how many similar situations have contributed to the statistics being quoted in this forum? 

      Being both a well educated person and a survivor of domestic violence, I find the suggestion that women routinely use domestic violence accusations as a way to manipulate a situation offensive and degrading although unfortunately it does not surprise me.

    • Sarah says:

      08:02am | 16/04/10

      Bravo Jayne. Who would have thought such a seemingly obvious statement - violence against women is wrong; the victims shouldn’t be blamed - would create such controversy and defensive argument? Focussing on violence against women by no means disregards all forms of spousal abuse - there are many forms of violence and they are all deplorable in my opinion - however it must be said that women are the more vulnerable group as a whole in our society; the majority of single parents are women, women are paid less and have fewer opportunities in general, they (we) are a group with less power. And whichever way you present the statistics, the majority of violent domestic crime is perpetrated by men against women and children. (which is NOT to say it doesn’t happen to men, or that violence against men is not an issue). I truly can’t see the controversy here. There is definately scope for discussing spousal abuse in general, and specifically violence against men by their partners, and how difficult it must be for men in that situation to speak out. But that is not the topic of this particular piece.
      I think that by zeroing in on what you left out, as many commenters have, is to miss the point of what you are trying to say - despite the many advances in women’s liberation, violence against women (and specifically domestic violence) is still disproportionately large, and that’s not good enough. How any one can argue against that has left me scratching my head. So I for one would like to say thank you for reminding us of these appalling statistics.

    • Ray says:

      12:53pm | 16/04/10

      Bloody hell Sarah you’ve summed it up to a tee. ‘not the topic of this particular peace. IT NEVER IS.
      ‘More vulnerable group in society’. WHY, WOMEN HAVE LEGISLATIVE BACKING MEN DON"T
      ‘majority of single parents are women’. IF ONE PARENT IS SINGLE SO IS THE OTHER
      ‘Women paid less - fewer opportunities’. A COMPLETE MISNOMER: HERESAY INVENTED AND REPEATED OFTEN ENOUGH TO BE FOLKLORE - OPPORTUNITIES - NO AFFIRMATIVE ACTION FOR MEN.
      And finally statistics seem to indicate violence against children is more likely by women.

      Sarah, you are the quintisential example of why women are so pathetic. You focus on half truths, folklore and and generalisation stereotypes.

      Our whole society only focuses on women’s issues because of bleeding heart, sniveling whingers.

      I never have to resort to violence, will stand my ground against anyone. In particular my children knew I meant what I said, I would never lose my self control (not like mother), I had principles and they knew that what I said was how it was to be. In their 30’s they’ve both said they respect me and thank me forshowing them what inner strength is.

      I achieved this despite feminism being on a dedicated path to dismantle fatherhood.

      So what I am saying is there is a fair bit left out, mostly dedicated dismantling of men and fathers for which all feminists should be ashamed. Yet we focus selectively on women’s issues as a totally bigoted society, with bigots who wish to huddle in their own little cocoons of self insecurity. Stand up and face the world with an open reception to all.

      Bet you still don’t get it. Most women don’t. They don’t understand why their kids walk over them but not their father. They don’t understand respect is earned not pre-ordained. They just don’t understand that under emotional outburst is the worst time to discipline your children. It’s not about what they’ve done has made you mad. It’s about what they’ve done.

      If you don’t think what I’ve said is relevent then you merely confirm your shortcomings.

      The wider inclusive picture without tainted statistics and feminist hand wringing would be a start.

    • BTS says:

      02:35pm | 16/04/10

      I mentioned that issue in the Feminism Blog.

      The male journos are too frightened to do a peace promoting male issues (unless it’s deep fried).

      It seems it’s just not the done thing.

    • MarK says:

      04:32pm | 16/04/10

      Well basically thats not what Jayne, said, and it sure as heck aint what the study said, What Jayne did was treid to pull a quick one, and accuse anyone with the audacity to beleive some women lie are blaming domestic violence victims.  The study said 98% of people thought it was wrong (an improvement from only 92% in 2005), thats one in 25, still one too many, but not one in Five.
      Also focussing on violence against women, while completely disregarding other forms of violence, does exactly that it disregards other forms of violence. I for one would welcome would like to see an end to appalingly and deliberalty abused and downright fraudulent miss-use of statistics.

    • Jess says:

      09:57am | 16/04/10

      This piece is full of sensation rather than information and littered with illogical leaps. How on earth did it get past the eds?
      Couldn’t agree more with Skepdad:
      it’s misleading to equate public opinions on falsification levels with “blaming the victims”.

      Without seeing the actual survey questions (which neither your article or the linked SMH article cite) it’s all just so much sensational and shallow opinion.  Furthermore, survey responses are, by definition, opinion not data.

      Yep, exactly.

    • Jess says:

      09:46am | 16/04/10

      This piece is full of sensation rather than information and littered with illogical leaps. How on earth did it get past the eds?
      Couldn’t agree more with Skepdad:
      it’s misleading to equate public opinions on falsification levels with “blaming the victims”.

      Without seeing the actual survey questions (which neither your article or the linked SMH article cite) it’s all just so much sensational and shallow opinion.  Furthermore, survey responses are, by definition, opinion not data.

      Yep, exactly.

    • A Bob says:

      10:26am | 16/04/10

      Except surveys are pretty much all we have. Every study relies on testimony from the people involved. But it would be good to see the raw data rather than someones interpretation of it.

    • A Bob says:

      10:21am | 16/04/10

      “There is definately scope for discussing spousal abuse in general, and specifically violence against men by their partners, and how difficult it must be for men in that situation to speak out. But that is not the topic of this particular piece.”

      In other words, “shut up and wait your turn”. How often is there a turn for the rest of us? That is part of the grievance.

      And, if there is evidence that your statement “violence against women (and specifically domestic violence) is still disproportionately large” may not be true as I cited above, but actually quite even, are we expected again to just shut up and ignore the error?

      I am a male victim of abuse and I have in my family other male and female victims. We can talk openly about it without this sort of conflict. If the problem is not properly defined how can it be properly addressed? Frequently there are kids stuck in the middle and they lose out.

      Personally I don’t much like the way Eric and some others talk about this topic. They appear to have their own agenda going on and I want no part of it. I have never posted before about it until this thread as I didn’t want to get lumped in with them. But this thread seemed relatively civilised for a change so I thought I’d say my piece. Sorry if it offends, it is not my intention.

    • Dr Gaye Barr says:

      02:22pm | 16/04/10

      Undoubtedly there is an unknown degree of domestic violence incited or perpetrated by women against men. It will occur in relationships where there is a dominance issue and an abuse of power by one party who is physically and/or emotionally stronger than the other and not in control of their frustration or anger. Gender isn’t necessarily a factor. The reason domestic violence is generally attributed to males is that women are usually physically weaker and more likely to be financially dependent alongside the fact that an abused male may be less likely to seek help because of a perceived reflection on his masculinity. Personality type will have a big bearing on how conflict within a relationship is incited and resolved. Passive people who are easily intimidated obviously stand a greater chance of falling victim to it and those people are probably more likely to gravitate towards a partner they perceive to be strong and in control as opposed to controlling. Aggression can sometimes be mistaken for strength in the early stages of a relationship.

      The answer is to be selective about partnership and take adequate time before committing. The greater the emotional and financial commitment to bard relationship, the hard it is to get out.

    • BTS says:

      02:39pm | 16/04/10

      Write any time you want Bob.

      Don’t be influenced by what others perceive or may say about you.

    • A Bob says:

      01:09am | 17/04/10

      “Undoubtedly there is an unknown degree of domestic violence incited or perpetrated by women against men. “

      No, it is documented. See my post above. Denfeld also refers to other books documenting it. Townsend, likewise. It’s been well documented but it doesn’t fit with narrative the MSM likes to project.

      I’m fine, by the way. Unlike some on the Punch I don’t believe the world is being undermined a ‘feminazi’ conspiracy.

    • Ray says:

      11:58am | 16/04/10

      Jayne, ever written an article along the lines ‘Victims should not be blamed for violence aginst men’. No didn’t think so.

    • Victor H Pigott says:

      01:13pm | 16/04/10

      No decent rational person would deny that sexual assault and domestic violence are real and traumatic and that perpetrators need to be brought before courts.  I see two major problems, one, the ease at which such complaints can be made.  In NSW the Police MUST charge on a complaint of domestic violence and the onus for bail is on the accused.  Two, the lack of a proper resolution as criminalization rather than rehabilitation and conciliation is the goal of the process. Experience shows that innocent persons are regularly placed before the Courts in which the criminal justice system becomes complicit in false allegation, abuse of process and perversion of the course of justice.  The safeguards that used to exist in our court system have gradually been whittled away by Governments influenced by feminists who refuse to accept that any domestic violence or sexual assault allegations are false.  It is these same feminists who lament the high percentages of acquittals by juries of such allegations.  Unlike our politicians ordinary people are awake to the dirty tricks that people play against each other.  It is time to bring back common sense to our laws and our courts.

    • Ross M says:

      01:42am | 17/04/10

      “In NSW the Police MUST charge on a complaint of domestic violence and the onus for bail is on the accused” umm might want to check your facts there, and the legislation and the NSW Police FORCE actions where a male alledges DV Victor. The action taken by the FORCE is interview the female allegor, call up a judge and have an interum AVO/DVO order made. No one gets charged with anything. The FORCE can not place a charge without arresting, and they can not arrest without evidence. The say so of an allegor is not enough evidence for the DPP to prosecute, it would be unconstitutional for the FORCE to charge anyone with a crime without evidence. There is no criminal offence of Domestic Violence, the offence would be an offence against the person, under the NSW Crimes Act 1901.

      Locks only keep out honest people, not theives, and an AVO/DVO is only worth the integrity of the person it is issued against. Any one who actually thinks a peice of paper from a court is going to deter someone determined to hurt someone is a bigger fool than the judge issueing these like candy at a kids party.

      Once an interum AVO/DVO is issued, and you get a court date before a magistrate, you have 3 choices.
      Accept the conditions of the AVO/DVO with admission (admit you have done something wrong) A full AVO/DVO is issued, no actual charges are laid by the FORCE
      Accept the AVO/DVO without admission (no admission of guilt) a full AVO/DVO is issued, no actual charges are laid by the FORCE
      Refuse to accept the conditions. The interum AVO/DVO is left in place and a court date is set for you to defend yourself against being presumed guilty, no actual charges are laid by the FORCE

      How about this, I have personally witnessed a DVO where the “person in need of protection” was a pet rat.

    • Dr Gaye Barr says:

      01:29pm | 16/04/10

      Thanks for an excellent article.

      To everybody condemning the laws in relation to domestic violence:

      Domestic violence perpetrated by men against women is not on. Nor is violence perpetrated by women against men ok, nor are false accusations by either gender ok.

      Domestic violence is a devastating, tragic and frightening, ordeal in whatever form it may take – physical injury, emotional injury or damage to property and possessions. People who fall victim to it suffer a loss of self-esteem, trust and often actual cognitive impairment as a result of the stress that prevents them from making clear and strategic life decisions. We hear stories in the media of suicides that are the result of workplace or schoolyard bullying yet how many suicides are not recorded as the direct result of domestic bullying – the insidious, relentless sledging, degradation and humiliation that occurs behind closed doors?  People who are victims of it get up in the mornings and manage their jobs and lives with professionalism and a bravado that can’t last forever. The shame associated with victimisation, particularly for career people who perhaps feel a greater need to maintain both their personal privacy for survival reasons (lest they receive a corporate directive to ‘take some time out’ or a demotion on the basis of emotional fragility) prevents them seeking appropriate help. The end result is increasing isolation and a sense of alienation.

      It is neither right nor fair of anybody to make assumptions about or belittle what is a very frightening and prevalent social ill on the basis of personal experience or gender bias.

    • Ross M says:

      12:40am | 17/04/10

      Is 20 minutes of harrassment domestic violence or the harassed eventually punching a hole in a wall domestic violence? Some might even consider the question “does my bum look fat in this” as domestic violence because it is a question no male can answer without either lying or getting himself into trouble even if the answer is no. Why ask an unanswerable question, the mother of my children once asked me “does this handbag go with these shoes” so I responded “I am not gay, I hope you are aware of that, how the heck would I know what handbag goes with what shoes!” Mum tought me that a stupid question deserves a stupid answer, so I quite often answer those stupid questions with the name of a planet, however Uranus isnt a fit answer for “does my bum look fat in this”.

      I dont believe it is an excelent article, I believe it is gender bias and full of lies continually perpetrated by media and politicians

    • Dr Gaye Barr says:

      12:59pm | 19/04/10

      ‘Is 20 minutes of harassment domestic violence or the harassed eventually punching a hole in a wall domestic violence?’

      I’m no psychologist but harassment is the continuation of an unwelcome behaviour towards a person when they have indicated it is unwelcome. In that case, both parties are behaving badly. The hole in the wall is a physical manifestation of frustration that indicates difficulty with conflict resolution. I’d say the hole in the wall was a violent response that was provoked by somebody who continued to aggravate and incite anger and frustration, irrespective of which gender was responsible for what. Both people in a relationship are equally responsible for resolving differences and preventing the escalation of conflict into violence.

      I used to ask my partner if my clothes and accessories matched but I stopped because I have never received a satisfactory response. I’d be just has happy with the name of a planet as I would be with ‘yeah, it looks great, just hurry up,’ spoken with all the sincerity of a second hand car dealer. It is a lot more liberating not to ask.

      The article is specifically about violence against women. If it was about violence in general, domestic or otherwise and attributed the violence only to men, there would be a case to say there was bias in it.

    • Victor H Pigott says:

      08:27pm | 16/04/10

      While I certainly agree with everything that Dr Barr has said, the same symptoms that she describes for victims of domestic violence also occur in those falsely accused of domestic violence and sexual assault.  In addition to all the standard symptoms of post traumatic stress, there have been cases of suicide, including persons who have been acquitted by the courts.  The “insidious, relentless sledging, degradation and humiliation” that such persons endue as a result of their forced journey through the criminal justice system is a story that is seldom told in these times.  Cases continuously come before our courts based on word against word with no other witness.  In some cases Police do not even investigate, the mere allegation is enough for them to proceed to charge. I know of one case where a young woman arranged to have herself assaulted in order to have her boyfriend charged as a payback for his infidelity. Another where a schizoprehenic homosexual man alleged child sexual assault against three men, including his own father as a payback after he had been charged with their assault. In all these cases it took ordinary citizens in the form of juries to see through the insidious and evil that posed as traumatic victims of abuse.  Persons accused of false allegation become themselves victims and have to lead the rest of their lives and manage their jobs as best they can with the memory of having to face those accusations.  But no Victims Compensation awaits them in the form of Government handouts from popularist tribunals such as the NSW Victims Compensation Tribunal who makes decisions in secret and without informing nominated defendants of its proceedings thus ensuring that any evidence that the nominated defendant may have to disprove the allegation is not heard.  In the Australian Nanny State anybody claiming to be a Victim must be believed and must be compensated irrespective of the validity or truth of their claim.  Under this Government scheme fictional stories become law with corresponding tax payer financial handouts. I know of one case where the “victim” spent most of his $50,000 on underage prostitutes and drugs.  For such persons the shame that they have had to endue is as Dr   Barr so graphically describes, an “increasing isolation and a sense of alienation” .  Domestic violence and sexual assault are serious societal problems and cannot be over rated or under estimated.  But the stigma and shame associated with being falsely accused is fast becoming a new psychiatric category in a society which increasingly labels such persons as “deniers” who need rehabilitation. I agree with Dr Barr that “it is neither right nor fair of anybody to make assumptions about or belittle what is a very frightening and a prevalent social ill”.  It is time for Australian Governments to recognize and to legislate for the long term effect of false allegation and to restore the legal safeguards that once existed.

    • Dr Gaye Barr says:

      11:23am | 20/04/10

      Victor,

      I absolutely agree with you and have the utmost sympathy for anybody who falls victim to false allegations. It is a terrible slight on anybody’s character and there is little (if any) right of reply.

      People who lie about their status or culpability in incidents of domestic violence should a) consider themselves lucky it isn’t the real thing and b) be charged with making a false complaint. It is a defamatory and damaging allegation against anybody if it is untrue. The law definitely needs reviewing around what constitutes domestic violence and on what basis somebody is charged.

      But for the purpose of this forum, I think you need to assume the article is referring to genuine victims of violence and that it was written specifically about women, not just domestic violence or violence in general. There is no need for any of the contributors to this blog to consider it biased or unbalanced. If the article was specifically about violence against men, there would be no case for women to consider it biased either.

    • Ross M says:

      11:38pm | 16/04/10

      Interesting discussion, collective victimisation, collective guilt. I prefer factual data.

      The 2005 ABS personal safety survey showed that 4.7% of women suffered some form of violence, whilst 8.3% of men suffered some form of violence. Violence of any kind is deplorable, whether against men, women or children. Sadly, we are an emotional being, and frustrations and other emotions lead to anger if not dealt with, and anger leads to violence. That is both genders, not men as perpetrators or women as victims.

      The BBC radio 4 program More or Less, covers the statistics like those handed out by VicHealth… In a statement from the Home Office, regarding the claim that DV kills more women between 15 and 45 than anything else in the UK, “the statistic was used for illustrative purposes” and the statistic was from the World Banks 1993 World Development Report, where Rape and DV were no6 on the causes of morbidity, not mortality. So over time, rape was dropped from the category, the category was booted up the table from 6th place to 1st place, morbidity became mortality, and worldwide statistics were used for the UK. The biggest cause of mortality in most western countries is cancer, and worldwide it is HIV Aids for women in this age range (15 to 45). For morbidity, after actual causes of mortality, the 3 biggest causes of a loss of healthy years of life (Disability Adjusted Life Years) for women in this age range are Depression, Bi-Polar Disorder and Dementia (3 mental health problems). Those statistics are from the World Health Organisation.

      In NSW, the crimes are listed under the Crimes Act 1901, under “crimes against the person”, there is no actual crime clasification of Domestic Violence. There is the Crimes (domestic violence) Act, which is there only so courts and police can issue preventative orders, and if you breach those orders, by lets say, sending your daughter a birthday text message (victorian case), the crime you get jailed for is breaching a court order.

      The AIC report, Homicide in Australia (2007) shows NSW had 100 homicides in 2007, 18 of which were committed by a current or former spouse, 11 perpetrators were male(61%), 7 were female(39%). There were also 22 child homicides, 11 female perpetrators and 10 male perpetrators, the AIC make the statement “interestingly, no child was killed by a stranger” so all child homicides would be domestic. Adding those figures together there were 21 male perpetrators (53%) and 18 female perpetrators (47%). It should also be noted that of the 11 female perpetrators of child homicide, all were the biological mother (50%) and of the 10 male perpetrators 5 were the biological father (6 children (27%)) and 5 were a step father (5 children (23%)).

      Child abduction by a parent is a crime against the person, so it must also be domestic violence. In 2009, the Family Court of Australia issued 27 publication orders for abducted children. 70% of those orders were for children abducted by a mother.

      Data collected from one SA hospital showed 33% of patients injured and determined as domestic violence were male.

      The Department of Child Protection in WA looked at perpetrators of violence against children, there report showed over 70% of children were abused by a female. Where the child was abused by a parent, allarmingly over 85% of cases were the mother.

      The NSW Minister for women, in a recent press release, stated that DV shelters helped over 6000 women in 2008. The NSW population for 2008 was 6.78 million, roughly half of the population is female, so thats 1.4% of the female population.

      You do not solve a problem by looking at the gender of the victim, or the perpetrator, or lying about statistics, or handing out peices of paper that say “dont do this or that”. Collective blame and guilt dont work either. Think about how people deal with a problem, and how they should deal with that problem. Look at what Channel 9 Cameraman Simon Fuller did to Omar and Gad Amr. (Mediawatch) He provoked these two people to the point where they couldn’t walk away, they tried that option for nearly 20 minutes whilst this BULLY continued provoking them. Western society doesn’t teach this kind of restraint, and it wasn’t until Fuller called Gad Amr a terrorist that they reacted. Someone tell me provocation doesn’t occur in a domestic situation, I’m sure we have all experienced it, and some do the right thing and walk away and others react. I remember a story about two elderly grandparents, sitting on the verandah, and the husband says “gee we had some doozies but we always worked through them”. Society doesn’t teach our youth to deal with someone they are in a relationship with, if something goes wrong, you run away and start again.

    • Victor H Pigott says:

      12:44pm | 17/04/10

      In NSW the domestic legislation is found in the Crimes (Domestic and Personal Violence) Act 2007.  Under the Act an alleged victim (and I use the word alleged, because in law and in fact an allegation of domestic violence is just that, an allegation) can either seek personally or through the Police an Apprehended Domestic Violence Order or an Apprehended Personal Violence Order against the alleged perpetrator.  The Court may grant an Interim order if it considers that immediate protection is warranted on the evidence of the alleged victim and/or the Police, whether or not the defendant is present at court and whether or not the defendant has been notified of the proceedings.  The Court will require the defendant to be present at a later hearing in which both sides to the dispute will be heard. If the Court grants the Interim Order the Court can also impose conditions. While the Interim order remains in force it has the same effect as a Final Apprehended Order. While these proceedings at this stage do not constitute criminal proceedings, in the event of an alleged breach (and again this is often just word against word) the defendant must be charged and brought before the Court.  While I readily accept that the figures demonstrate that such orders are essential in our society, the Act weighs heavily in favor of the alleged victim.  In doing so the Government has failed to consider the possibility of a false allegation having been made to the Police and to the Court.  It cannot be assumed by Police or by Courts that an allegation equals truth.  I accept that this is an ongoing debate in which both sides have valid considerations. Either the law must be changed or severe penalties need to be put in place to deter false claims. How often do you read in the media of persons being charged with making a false allegation of domestic violence (or for that matter sexual assault). Yet, it is a serious crime to make false allegations and provisions are available in the Crimes Act.  Statistics do not always reveal the truth.  They reveal the percentage of reported crimes and the percentage of orders made by the Courts; they do not reveal the percentage of reported false claims. Neither do they report the trauma suffered by persons who have been falsely accused.

    • TK says:

      07:21pm | 19/04/10

      It makes me laugh to see you write violence against women as being particularly distressing.  Is violence against men not as distressing? Don’t ask for gender equality if you want to distinguish where violence is directed as being better or worse.
      D.Jay.Stevo I love how you valiantly shrug off the victim tag as if you don’t want to accept sympathy and there is a willingness to move on, only to replace it by something 10 times as dramatic.  Survivor!
      Pff I’ve been assaulted by an ex-girlfriend plenty of times, seriously enough to draw blood several times, she also threatened to make up claims I raped her, promised she’d ruin my life and I kept letting her live with me because she was having trouble finding a place to live.  Despite giving the (useless) policeman these details, I ended up in court defending myself on an AVO with a female magistrate.  It was lucky I could see the funny (ironic) side which I’m also seeing here. 
      Either deal with the situation and change your circumstances, or stick with the situation and accept the consequences. Basically take responsibility for your life. Just because it’s a bad situation, people pussyfoot around the solution. It seems like you can take the feminists approach, satisfying to those bent on revenge (or should I have said, ...taking advantage of…,) or just deal with it.  The hate approach doesn’t work for anybody, dealing with the facts, no matter how ugly does.

 

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