When I bring up the subject of Kevin Rudd’s brutal factional knifing, I am often accused of living in the past.

Busted: mix up the letters and you get JULIA CAUSE. Just sayin'...

In fact nothing could be further from the truth. For example, let me take you back to 44BC.

This was another year when a group of factional powerbrokers decided their personal political interests would be much better served if they too knifed a leader who, despite his widely acknowledged vision and intellect, was criticised as being too imperious and autocratic.

The victim’s name, of course, was Gaius Julius Caesar, a man perhaps more pivotal in the spread of Western civilisation - and the extraordinary legal, political and economic benefits that go with it - than any other human being in history.

While one cannot suggest that Kevin Rudd’s accomplishments were in the same league as Caesar’s (Kevin himself, for example, would argue that his were far greater) there are some uncanny parallels between the two and none more so than the manner of their deaths:

1. Both men had grown up on the wrong side of the tracks, and been imbued with a sense that they must prove themselves superior to fat-bellied aristocrats;

2. Despite powerful connections, both men were regarded somewhat suspiciously by the political establishment - especially after they married rich women;

3. Both men had an outward-looking, expansionist and rather hawkish approach to foreign policy. Kevin pursued an intense campaign for a seat on the Security Council and the Libyan no fly zone, while Caesar had to make do with conquering the known world and chopping the heads off Gauls; and

4. Both were undone when their expansive reform programs were opposed by the political elite for the most personal and parochial of reasons.

It is this last fact that will do - is doing - the most damage to Australia, just as it did to Rome.

In Caesar’s case he gave land to the poor and legal rights to the entire Roman world; In Rudd’s case he saved the nation from the worst financial disaster in almost a century. Incredibly, neither feat was enough to save them from extermination at the hands of small-minded cowards.

At the time of his murder, Caesar was about to civilise the known world: Great infrastructure projects, giant ports, canals and roads, were to be established as was an incredible new library to rival that of Alexandria as a repository for human knowledge.

At the time of his murder, Rudd - just ask him - was about to save that civilisation: He wanted to deliver an emissions trading scheme that would have put enormous pressure on the US to follow suit and pave the way for a truly international mechanism to reduce carbon pollution and stop us all having to wear scuba gear in 20 years’ time.

But the small-minded and incestuous people around them - people who despite their enmity had been not punished but rewarded by each man - decided they deserved more than they already had, and sought to seize power for the sole purpose of advancing their own personal interests.

And, like all cowards, they thought if they acted quickly and in a pack that it could all be done quietly with no repercussions for their own precious skin.

But cowards are often also fools. The repercussions were swift, they were savage and they wrought havoc on countless innocents.

In Caesar’s case the entire government and empire of Rome fell apart. His assassins were ruthlessly pursued across the ancient world and slaughtered alongside the armies they raised; then his two avengers, Antony and Octavian, turned on each other in a brutal war that tore the civilised world to shreds.

And in Rudd’s case likewise the Government was annihilated by an angry public and replaced by a laughably shambolic parliament which is literally unable to function. Serious reforms have been replaced with rogue legislation lobbed at the supposed Prime Minister from fringe interest groups, be it the poker machine cap or the carbon tax.

The Government’s own initiatives - albeit idiotic beercoaster policies such as the Malaysia Solution— - are killed off in the house by the slightest tremor. And the basic administration of programs - such as NBN and solar panels - seems always to teeter on the brink of disaster.

When asked about her role in urging Kevin Rudd to dump the ETS, thus sparking the series of events that led to his demise and then execution, Julia Gillard refuses to confess her complicity, dismissing it as history.

History it is indeed, but history must never be dismissed. As the cliché warns, those who do are doomed to repeat it.

Had the Rudd plotters paid more attention to this they might have recalled that Caesar’s assassins were, to a man, viciously turned upon by the people and wiped out by their enemies. Ultimate power then went to the person they least wanted it to - a man who would rule for an age and obliterate their legacy.

Perhaps they will remember when Tony Abbott is, inevitably and overwhelmingly, swept to the office of Prime Minister at the next federal election.

Meanwhile here we are, with history repeating upon us. Like the poor Roman people, so recently enfranchised with new rights and new hope, we the citizens of Australia briefly tasted leadership until the instinctive gluttony for power of a narcissistic few left us engulfed by ruinous petty warfare.

And now we have been left with neither the government we voted for nor any government at all.

And we are prepared to flock to a man once thought unelectable, solely for the promise of a return to peace and order.

And the battered human remnants of the coup, so destroyed, will be unable to rise again.

It is a fate that ought to curse them and one they designed themselves, all for the want of a little history lesson.

What a perfect recipe for tyranny.

* For those confused by the headline, Kevin Rudd mentioned Iced Vo Vos in his 2007 election victory speech. For those confused by Joe Hildebrand, we’re sorry. There’s no explanation for him.

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    • Bris Jack says:

      06:21am | 01/06/11

      I have stopped listening, I just want to get rid of the annoying bark of the female attack dog and replace it with the mellow tones of anybody who has a Prime Ministeral presence.
      Antony and Octavian, turned on each other in a brutal war that tore the civilised world to shreds, will this be how Gillard and Swan end up?

    • acotrel says:

      07:15am | 01/06/11

      Who did you have in mind, Jack? - Tony Abbott.  Can you imagine him on the world stage?  We’d be better off with one of Barry Humphries’s characters!

    • scott says:

      08:41am | 01/06/11

      @ acotrel

      Gillard’s on the world stage, that’s embarrasing enough.

    • Tubesteak says:

      08:43am | 01/06/11

      Octavian ruled until he was 80 and was considered one of Rome’s greatest rulers (albeit contrary to the concept of democracy that the Roman senate considered themselves to represent which spurned their murder of Caesar who was starting to appear undemocratic).

      Plus, I think he was a rather effeminate redhead….....

      uh oh….......

    • Bris Jack says:

      08:46am | 01/06/11

      TA stalker, you are sooo predictable.
      We already have one of Barry Humphrie’s characters there, fumbling her way around the world and it ain’t a good look.
      In my opinion, Labor’s one and only is Senator John Faulkner, but he would have to stand for the house of reps.

    • Anna says:

      10:30am | 01/06/11

      Never mind a Barry Humphries character, bring on Barry Humphries…now there is a man with real capactity and intellectual calibre, superior to any politicians seen on the Australian stage

    • Kelvin says:

      02:51pm | 01/06/11

      Gillard on the world stage is an embarrassment of the highest order. A Sherrin for Obama and a footy jumper for Prince Charles. What jokes. No wonder Kevin is strutting around the world unencumbered.

      Gillard is really hankering to establish a refugee centre in Boganville just so that she can visit and feel right at home.

    • John C says:

      06:27am | 01/06/11

      You need to brush up on your Roman history. Caesar did not come from the wrong side of the tracks: his family was of the highest order of aristocracy but they did live, for various reasons, in the poorer part of Rome. Caesar’s eventual wealth came from conquest and consular quasi-corruption.
      Also, and I may be wrong on this, and I am no Rudd supporter, but my impression is that Mrs Rudd became rich after the marriage, not before.

    • loulou says:

      09:09am | 01/06/11

      Well into the marriage Mrs Rudd became wealthy

    • Chris L says:

      09:57am | 01/06/11

      Indeed it was Gnaeus Pompeius Magnus, Ceasar’s one time ally, that came from the wrong side of the tracks and eventually began to resent Ceasar’s popularity with the Plebs (whom he considered his people, not Gaius’s).

    • RyaN says:

      10:08am | 01/06/11

      @John C: “Caesar’s eventual wealth came from conquest and consular quasi-corruption.” isn’t this how Rudds wife got rich?

    • Rover of North Cooma says:

      10:42am | 01/06/11

      @RyaN - no, Therese Rein became wealthy from using her psychology qualifications to help people with disabilities and other personal hardships find jobs.

      Under the Howard government, this work was outsourced from the government to private companies. Therese Rein’s company won many of these contracts. Not sure how that can be regarded as corrupt.

      Of course, when her husband became Opposition Leader, she had to sell the Australian arm of her company to avoid any perception of corruption. Anyone with the faintest memory of 2007 should know this.

    • loulou says:

      11:03am | 01/06/11

      @RYaN,  It can happen that way

    • RyaN says:

      11:15am | 01/06/11

      @Rover of North Cooma: “she had to sell the Australian arm of her company to avoid any perception of corruption.” really? If there was no corruption there then she shouldn’t have needed to sell it. Clearly she sold it to distance herself from the vehicle that made the Rudds very rich indeed.

    • loulou says:

      11:41am | 01/06/11

      @Rover   Was not Kevin Rudd a senior bureaucrat in the Qld Govt.  when Therese Rein won the contracts you mention?  And “psychology qualifications” make you wealthy?

    • Maria Hawthorne says:

      12:01pm | 01/06/11

      @lou lou - the contracts were with the federal government, not the Qld government, so what’s your point?

      @RyaN - When she sold the Australian arm, Rudd was still in opposition, so unlikely to be able to influence anything.

      She built up a business that was based on helping people in need.  She’s rich because she’s entrepreneurial and smart, not corrupt. She’s still rich because she’s still doing business overseas.

      If you have an allegation to make about her and can back it up, be brave and make it. Don’t be cowards and suggest corruption to try to smear someone because you don’t like her spouse.

    • loulou says:

      12:35pm | 01/06/11

      @MH Point being -  it doesn’t hurt.  Point being -  it can help more than “psychology qualifications”.  Not many come away poor from government positions.  Fine that you respond in support of “Caesar’s” spouse.

    • Bobster says:

      12:49pm | 01/06/11

      @ RyaN, I believe you’ll find it was John Howard who paved the way for her particular racket.

    • RyaN says:

      02:26pm | 01/06/11

      @Maria Hawthorne: are you seriously going to sit there and try to convince us that Kevin Rudd did absolutely nothing to “arrange” any of Theriese Rein’s contracts?

    • Joan says:

      04:23pm | 01/06/11

      @Maria Hawthorne

      Well said.

      Looks like the coward can’t back it up and is going to stick with baseless smear attempts.

    • austin 3:16 says:

      09:18pm | 01/06/11

      RyaN,

      So when Kevin Rudd was a bureaucrat in a Labor state government or a backbencher in opposition in a Labor federal opposition he was able to influence the contracts being awarded by a federal Liberal government.

      You get the tin-foil hat award of the week for that one.

    • RyaN says:

      10:05am | 02/06/11

      @austin: whatever you say mate, there are no co-incidences here, especially in the “jobs for the family” Labor party.

    • Richard says:

      06:32pm | 02/06/11

      @austin

      Absolutely hilarious ! A clear winner, and strong contender for the annual award.

    • RyaN says:

      11:16am | 03/06/11

      @Richard: and your contribution is.. right nothing, just like your opinion is worth, absolutely nothing!

    • Joan says:

      11:46am | 04/06/11

      @Ryan

      Come on then, coward. Back up your attempted smear. What are you waiting for?

    • DaveinPerth says:

      09:31pm | 04/06/11

      @Joan - RyaN has turned his computer off and is repeating the words “not listening not listening not listening….”. Same with all the bullshit artists who talk big, and deliver no facts. Rosie usually claims to be off golfing. fairsfair just hides for a few days. They have nothing but bile to offer. No facts. No reality. Just drivel.

    • acotrel says:

      06:29am | 01/06/11

      ‘Perhaps they will remember when Tony Abbott is, inevitably and overwhelmingly, swept to the office of Prime Minister at the next federal election.’

      AGAIN, with the wishful thinking?  Are we not supposed to notice that this article is intended to divert attention away from Abbott’s current plight.  We know who Brutus is these days, and what he is about to do to Abbott!

    • George says:

      08:21am | 01/06/11

      @ acotrel

      Of course you’d like to view this as a ‘diversionary’ tactic, that is expected of you to justify your wage.

      However the reality is much as you and your ALP/Green coalition fanatics want to highlight Tony Abott’s woes you like your figure heads Brown & Gillard you FAIL because you and the rest of your lot are FAILURES!

      Note: Brutus knifed Caesar, your allusions is ironic and laughable.

    • acotrel says:

      09:02am | 01/06/11

      @George I don’t get paid to access this forum.  It simply gives me pleasure! I served 40 years as a wage slave, and suffered from dumb Liberal Party policies.  Now it’s my turn to return the favour - enjoy the feeling!

    • No offence meant says:

      09:19am | 01/06/11

      Acotrel - with the greatest of respect, you need to get a life mate.

      Enjoy your retirement, take up a hobby or do some volunteering… or get laid more.

      No one should spend so much time debating via computer and letting the outside world pass them by. Especially at your age (which appears to be quite old).

      There are a lot of commenters I could say the same thing to such as Tim, MarK, Persephone, TChong, Badger etc (though hope they are just at work and cannot access any better websites without getting in trouble - like me) so it is not to single you out.

      I just feel sorry for some of you. You seem like the people to avoid at parties… if you were ever invited.

    • RyaN says:

      10:08am | 01/06/11

      acotrel: yawn, this article is about Rudd, please try to actually read the article and stay on topic.

    • Sony B Goode says:

      11:01am | 01/06/11

      acotrel “I served 40 years as a wage slave”

      oh no! I feel for you, when did you escape soviet russia? Good thing here in the west you can chose how you improve yourself to change careers and jobs and that your pay isnt set by some central authority.

    • RyaN says:

      02:14pm | 01/06/11

      @Sony B Goode: he is just pissed off because he didn’t get everything for nothing from John Howard.

    • Mikeymike says:

      04:23pm | 01/06/11

      Sounds like a bet to me….

    • AKoiLus says:

      07:47pm | 01/06/11

      Brutus…mawahahaha so true. “Nice one centurion. Nice one”

    • jo says:

      06:51am | 01/06/11

      Hi Joe, count me in as one of your fans, I enjoyed watching you on Q&A. and thank you for pointing out that, If the greens, and Julia Gillard would of supported, the ETS, we probably would have it now. and not be in the mess of a circus of this minority government.

      I don’t agree that its all in the past, lets move on, the THE LABOR THUGS removed an elected prime minister. and replaced kevin rudd with a women like julia gillard, who is a complete failure as Prime Minister, with her pathetic, grab for money with the carbon TAX, her pathetic asylum seeker malaysian solution. And yet they THE LABOR THUGS   are still in denial, and think we have and will forget, how they unseated an elected goverment overnight.

      Also telling of her character, the fact julia gillards had an affair with craig emmerson in 2003, fellow married MP, he left his wife and children to form a two year relationship with Gillard. sure it happens all the time,  but she has shown she will step on anyone to achieve what she wants, just ask kevin rudd.

      Also Im tierd of the labor mouthpieces, and how they are trying to turn this country into a nanny state. If the horrible pictures on cigg packets did not work, how is plain packaging going to work,  markets are already selling, cigg cases, in the ready for the plain packaging, not to mention that the tabacco companys will sue, about their rights,  and labor will have to pay billions, and that comes out of our tax.

    • C1 says:

      08:19am | 01/06/11

      Jo,

      I agree with your comment regarding Mr Hildebrands performance on Q&A. How about that Crikey guy. I thought at the start of the show he was about to die!!!
      After hearing him carry on about the Greens, I wish he had.

    • acotrel says:

      08:27am | 01/06/11

      The ‘nanny state’ is trying to stop people from experiencing unnecessary horrible deaths.  Is that so bad?

    • Bris Jack says:

      09:08am | 01/06/11

      Crikey, I wondered what medication he was on. Thought he might fall off the perch any moment.

    • grumpy old man says:

      10:23am | 01/06/11

      Acotrel,
      not a terribly logical comment. I’m an adult, I make my own decisions, and I am responsible for my own actions, and the consequences.
      So by all means give me the facts ( real ones please,) but after that get out of my face and let me live my own life.
      If we follow your logic, then we won’t be able to do anything without nannies permission, and frankly, I don’t want to live in a world like that.

    • Geoff - Brisbane says:

      10:26am | 01/06/11

      @ Acotrel - The nanny state is also dictating which video games i play and whether or not i can visit certain sunshine coast dentists or not.

    • clayton says:

      12:22pm | 01/06/11

      I’m simply tired of a Primer Minister who is an embarrassment to the nation every time she opens her mouth.
      Someone please tell her about the need to correctly enunciate the spoken word.
      Recently her inability to pronounce a word with “t” in it, gave us “No doud aboud id.” and constantly, “opportunidy, thirdeen, communidy, sustainabilidy, disabilidy, ’ This from a former minister for education who claims quality education is the the soul of her being.

    • SydSteve says:

      12:48pm | 01/06/11

      The plain packaging is to help prevent young people from taking up smoking as it may help it seem less ‘cool’. Its not going to stop current smokers and isn’t meant to.

      But if you respect childrens rights to take up what ever bad ill-informed habits that they want then I guess your point is completely valid.

    • thea gordon says:

      03:25pm | 01/06/11

      right on Clayton, and add to that the way she says her country’s name and the lapse we hear when words ending in “ing” become “ink”

    • Against the Man says:

      06:52am | 01/06/11

      Rudd…........where did your testicles go?

    • TChong says:

      08:13am | 01/06/11

      AtM- this isnt the site for you to post your fixation about genitals.
      Look around,at other sites,  you might find some where more appropriate, then you can blog at length about whats really on your mind.

    • acotrel says:

      08:29am | 01/06/11

      Tony Abbott has three testicles - he could donate one?

    • Reg Whiteman says:

      08:43am | 01/06/11

      Julia had his scrotum tanned and turned it into a tobacco pouch. His stones were dried and then set in 9ct gold rings and now hang from her nipples.

    • acotrel says:

      09:06am | 01/06/11

      @Reg -  that’s nothing compared with what Turnbull will do to Abbott!

    • Marsellus Wallace says:

      09:13am | 01/06/11

      Mrs. Whiteman has a strange take on wedding ceremonies,
      Gimp away Reg old boy.

    • RyaN says:

      10:10am | 01/06/11

      I think acotrel is in love with Tony Abbott.

    • Against the Man says:

      11:12am | 01/06/11

      Q: Why does TChong the Mr No Credibility ALP Hack still post on the Punch?
      A: Because he is really thick-skin, shameless, ball-less wonder Mr Kevin ‘I attack air hosties’ Rudd

      HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa

      Oh, did I mention that today’s newspapers indicate that the Australian middle-class is in for a financial beating from the carbon tax? I expect the next poll result will be the sweetest yet. Sorry TChong but Centrelink awaits you aka Labor’s dumbest employee! HaHaHaHaHa

    • ausspud says:

      02:56pm | 01/06/11

      their in julias pocket,she gives them a rub whenever she feels lucky.

    • Bris Jack says:

      07:40pm | 01/06/11

      RyaN I was thinking the same about the TA stalker but the statement
      “I served 40 years as a wage slave” I think has an obsessive compulsive disorder.

    • Ben81 says:

      08:38pm | 01/06/11

      TChong I suppose you don’t want to hear about his friend Biggus Dickus then

    • Jill Miller says:

      11:00am | 02/06/11

      Juliar wears them in her ears from time to time. Look closely.

    • Christine says:

      07:29am | 01/06/11

      I would love some witty clever person to do some more parodies of politics.  Perhaps instead of boring old Caesar, we could use some cartoons and movie characters.  Or even some of the great conspiracy novels.  And make it funnier than the load of crap I just read.

    • Danny B says:

      08:29am | 01/06/11

      Two words: ‘Yes Minister’.

      Funny thing is, it’s more of a documentary these days.

    • Liam says:

      11:22am | 01/06/11

      Wow Christine, nobody made you read it - if it failed to amuse you maybe you should leave politics to grown ups.

    • Geoff - Brisbane says:

      12:28pm | 01/06/11

      Could use the joker in place of bob brown. Not only because he is a clown but because theres no reason or substance to the man. Bob brown just wants to watch Australia burn.

    • Stiffy says:

      07:58am | 01/06/11

      Maybe Abbott will be compared to Augustus - the religious revivalist.

    • acotrel says:

      08:35am | 01/06/11

      OR FRANCO ?

    • Dash says:

      12:27pm | 01/06/11

      @acotrel, would that make Gillard Stalin?

    • Dash says:

      08:08am | 01/06/11

      Joe you were doing so well until you tried to tell us Rudd saved us from the GFC!

      I heard Caesar was stabbed because he had promised the masses cheaper groceries, more affordable housing, root and branch tax reform, cheaper fuel, a coast guard and laptops in schools?

    • fairsfair says:

      10:13am | 01/06/11

      Who was his cleopatra? My god I don’t want to hear anything about his asp.

      *shudder*

    • Liam says:

      08:16am | 01/06/11

      Wow, comparing Rudd to Caesar….
      Every one of Rudds policies was not thought through, it was purely a vote grabbing agenda and all his policies were poorly implemented. There was no serious political reform, a pointless apology, a handout that really did nothing except add to our national debt, he tried to push through an ETS before terms were to be decided in copenhagen only so he could look good as a leader when he went there as one of the few who was already seen to be doing something about climate change. His so called Education Revolution(disaster), insulation scheme And the final nail in his coffin was attempt to grab a bigger slice of the pie from the only industry that kept australia out of recession.

      But despite all his bad points he was still a far better leader than stand-for-nothing Julia Gillard

    • acotrel says:

      08:33am | 01/06/11

      ‘And the final nail in his coffin was attempt to grab a bigger slice of the pie from the only industry that kept australia out of recession.’

      I wonder why Colin Barnett didn’t get the same treatment when he recently increased the royalties on the mining industry?

    • Liam says:

      08:49am | 01/06/11

      Its a completely different situation.
      Colin Barnett was only responding to the federal governments proposed tax which would have seen most of the proceeds go to canberra instead of W.A.
      Both of them are in the wrong, Barnett wants it all for W.A, and Rudd/Gillard wants it for canberra.
      Personnaly I don’t think there should be a increased resource tax but if one goes through, it should be distributed throughout the states but with the resource rich states of WA and QLD to take a slightly higher piece of the pie.

      There was a good article in the Herald Sun the other day I think answers your question perfectly. The same ariticle also quoted Barnett as saying ‘why should the resource rich states of WA and QLD have to support states like VIC and NSW’.
      Im pretty sure from federation until the coal industry took off the Powerhouse states of VIC and NSW had been proping up the rest of the country

    • Sony B Goode says:

      08:50am | 01/06/11

      WA isn’t taking a bigger slice, it’s just taking its own money back from the federal fascists.

    • The Badger says:

      09:26am | 01/06/11

      The minerals in the ground belong to all Australians
      Not just Gina Rinehart, Twiggy Palmer and Colon Barnett.

    • TimB says:

      09:48am | 01/06/11

      Go and dig them up then Badger.

      Gotta love the something for nothing mentality.

    • The Badger says:

      10:20am | 01/06/11

      Nah
      timmie
      gotta love the billionaires.
      oh, and the conservatives who suck off them.

    • Nic says:

      10:30am | 01/06/11

      Mining laid off more Australians than any other industry, if the rest of Australia had reacted as badly as the minerals sector to the GFC then we would have been well and truly down the toilet.

      Australia was saved not by the mining sector but by smart past fiscal management and whether you like it or not, Kevin Rudd and Wayne Swann’s stimulus packages.

    • A says:

      11:02am | 01/06/11

      Ahh Badger…such a tired argument “all Australians own the minerals”. It would be a good argument but is doesnt reflect how the constitution was drawn up and that at 1901 the states were distinct colonies.

      Perhaps also note the royalty increase had been on the cards for a few years. The royalty on fines ore was at 5.625%, moving to 6.5% to 7.5% to be brought into line with the lump royalty of 7.5%. The lump rate has been negotiated for state agreements relating to hematite (lump) ore, however, with the Chinese demand for materials (ie steel) on the rise it became economic to develop magnetite ore bodies (ie mid-west iron ore) therefore the royalty rate for both hematite/magnetite needed to be brought into line. Canberra playing politics with GST distributions/ mining tax/ carbon tax is merely perfect timing for Mr Barnett.

    • TimB says:

      11:05am | 01/06/11

      Yeah how dare they make money, eh Bagder?

      They should give you some. Just because.

      I’ve got an idea. Why don’t you go and ask the Chinese mining giants to give you a share of some of what they dig up in China? After all you’re a resident of Earth too, surely the Earth’s resources belong to ALL humans.

    • The Badger says:

      11:23am | 01/06/11

      Timmie
      trying to take up the mantle of village idiot that mark dropped on his way down to bathe with the crystal dolphins?
      You’ll have to fight AtM for the honour. He picked it up first.

    • TimB says:

      11:41am | 01/06/11

      But then he returned it right back to you Badger. Please don’t drop it again.

      Seriously though, is that all you’ve got? You’re not even a challenge anymore. Sad.

    • Dash says:

      12:22pm | 01/06/11

      @The Badger, presumably the dividends paid to Australian shareholders is a return of the wealth they own. Not to mention the royalties paid and the income tax paid on profits to the government.

      Do you have any superannuation Badger???? Would that make you a hypocrite?

      However, it’s a shame the ALP has pissed the revenue away on rorts, schemes and 2020 summits! Quick invent a new tax to plug the hole created by Labor’s incompetence! LOL. Perhaps we could form a hand picked committee and dress it up as a panel of experts??

      The Badger is truely typical of the Socialist ALP mentality. Gimmie something for nothing. “Wow you’ve got off your arse and made lots of money, I therefore deserve to take it from you”. Profits tax, carbon tax, flood tax anyone??

    • Against the Man says:

      01:15pm | 01/06/11

      Well still beats the pointless and impotent answers from the Badger smile

      I figure I’m hitting a nerve with the ALP supporting minority, so I’ll keep going.

      John A Neve = Seano = TChong = The Badger = Desperate ALP losers smile

      Need we remind the masses of Gilltard’s lack of achievements, till you guys address that, you guys have as much credibility as a fake ALP PM promising no carbon tax!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      http://www.news.com.au/money/tax-time/an-80000-carbon-tax-pain-barrier-from-professor-ross-garnaut/story-fn8qmzek-1226066915435
      Oh my looks like the ALP is in lots of trouble….............hehehehehehehehehehe

    • Shaun says:

      01:44pm | 01/06/11

      Badger, how dare the mining companies expect to make a profit just because they find the minerals, build the mines, fly in the miners and machinery, dig the ore up and refine it, taking all the risks from exchange rates, prices, natural disasters etc. Those cheeky buggers. Those profits belong to all of us.

    • Mumof4 says:

      04:08pm | 01/06/11

      I agree Liam. KRudd has a ginormous ego and just wants to rule the world. Now that he has been knifed, he is doing everything he can to undermine the government. The worst kind of loser - a vindictive one!

      I don’t know why people give him so much credit. I can’t bare listening to him talk - the slow voice, everything phrased as a question to himself - drove me CRAZY!!

      Thank GOD he is GONE GONE GONE! Yippee!! Now we just have to get rid of that waste of space Gillard!!

    • Mikeymike says:

      04:28pm | 01/06/11

      @ Badger
      Nice try mate.  Check your constitution.  They belong to West Australians no matter how many times you repeat Rudd’s rhetoric.

    • Foodie says:

      08:29am | 01/06/11

      Yep - Rudd is definitely a Ceaser Salad - crunchy but a little duncey as well.  Let old salads sleep in peace.

    • Dash says:

      08:30am | 01/06/11

      Does this make Gillard Brutus? Did he have membership to the Communist party too?

    • acotrel says:

      08:57am | 01/06/11

      @Dash
      Mr B.A.Santamaria strikes again?

    • loulou says:

      09:20am | 01/06/11

      But did Brutus get the top job?  What was his reward?  Her Slyness got hers

    • paul says:

      09:25am | 01/06/11

      Brutus dumped wife Claudia -  for the hairdresser, Portia.

    • Dash says:

      12:07pm | 01/06/11

      @ acorel - bloody hell I hope not. He died on 25 February 1998!

    • Macca says:

      08:39am | 01/06/11

      A marble bust of Kevin Rudd…. delightful.

      Joe, another piece of gold. What is your vice of choice? that sh*t is superb.

    • Anthony G says:

      08:46am | 01/06/11

      Sorry Joe . You lost me when you said rudd saved us from the world financial crisis. He had only been leader for 5 minutes. Satire or not the man has a big enough ego as it is.He should be compared with Whitlam even thou he looked like Menzies compared to Ginger Juliar

    • Sandgroper says:

      08:54am | 01/06/11

      Sorry Joe, this quasi-socialist rant is baloney.

    • peterb says:

      08:58am | 01/06/11

      He may have had vision, but he had no ability to implement the vision.
      He was all committee and no action.
      Let’s not revise history to make Rudd better than he was.
      I for one was glad to see him go.

    • David says:

      09:07am | 01/06/11

      Nicely put, Joe.

    • Jack Richards says:

      09:11am | 01/06/11

      How can anyone compare Rudd to Julius Caesar? Julius wasn’t a bed-wetting little deadshit motivated solely by his own ego.

      I think a better comparison would be Jean Bedel Bokassa of the Central African Empire who spent the entire national budget on his own coronation - including his diamond studded shoes.

      Kevin has spent more than Jean Bedel swanning around the world proving that he is an egotistical fool and a monumental embarrassment to this country. No-one on the international scene takes him seriously - he’s just the jerk from down-under.

      Maybe it’s just me, but everytime I see that pious, pedantic little face of his sermonising on TV, all I want to do is grab him by his skinny neck and punch his face in.

      Julia and Swanny were right to dispose of him but, like everything else they do, they didn’t finish the job. He should have been kicked out completely and never given a Ministry, let alone Foreign Affairs. And he should have had the balls to realise that he isn’t wanted anywhere and gone off and got a job that suits his talents i.e. lavatory attendant in an old woman’s nursing home.

      I despair that we’ll ever find an Augustus; but then we’ve already had one. Just ask Bob Hawke and he’ll tell you what a giant he was strutting the world stage, crawling up Reagan, Bush, Thatcher and Clinton’s arses, and ensuring that, by 1990, no Australian child would be living in poverty. I’m sure he’d love to make a come-back. After all, he was the greatest Australian who ever lived - just ask him.

      All our politicians remind me of that line from Macbeth i.e. a giant’s robes upon a dwarfish thief. Politics in this country really is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

    • acotrel says:

      09:42am | 01/06/11

      @Jack Richards. 
      ‘I despair that we’ll ever find an Augustus; but then we’ve already had one. Just ask Bob Hawke and he’ll tell you what a giant he was strutting the world stage, crawling up Reagan, Bush, Thatcher and Clinton’s arses, and ensuring that, by 1990, no Australian child would be living in poverty. I’m sure he’d love to make a come-back. After all, he was the greatest Australian who ever lived - just ask him.’

      I tend to agree.  He was the leader of ‘the great convergence’ which led to getting rid of tariff protection for Australian industry without substituting appropriate subsidies.  In making good fellows of ourselves, we’ve shot ourselves in the foot!

    • Damocles says:

      10:00am | 01/06/11

      GOLD, Jack Richards, GOLD!! Especially loved “grabbing Ruddy by his skinny neck and punching his face in”, LOL! I remember seeing him down at Cannon Hill S/C with his little mobile office, what a dork!

    • mel says:

      12:16pm | 01/06/11

      Marcus Antonius spoke up for Caesar - who spoke for the “pious, pedantic one”?  Brennan? -  nowhere near a general.  Nothing - nothing remotely noble about Rudd.

    • michael j says:

      12:44am | 02/06/11

      @ NICE to see Bob’s famous Quote getting some attention,,
      a few meatworkers i know ,myself included were walking around with smiles on our faces after Mr Hawke said that,,
      With most Charity’s now saying that up to 1/3 rd of Australians are living below
      the poverty line maybe he wishes he left that Statement in the BAR with his empty glasses,,i know he don’t ,,why would he’s making heaps
      and the word of a merry Drunk is maybe better that the word of a Lair ?

    • Topper says:

      09:31am | 01/06/11

      Joe
      I saw you on Q&A you try too hard to be noticed and relevant.
      You’re not. You’re just another conservative dickhead.
      Why don’t you go on the Bolt show and nod your head like a good boy?

    • C1 says:

      10:00am | 01/06/11

      Topper,

      Can he be any worse than Guy Rundle from Crikey. If the title of dickhead can be applied to anyone that night it was him. Joe highlighted some good points with humour and even Jackie Kelly (despite the Western Suburbs carry on) summed things up well with - Gillard and co just are not selling this well.
      Actually I stand corrected - it is wrong to label anyone a dickhead. I think Guy Rundle is a smart arse who behaved with a severly misplaced air of superiority.

    • Steve says:

      11:41am | 01/06/11

      I saw Q & A and thought Mr Hildebrand added some balance. I really enjoyed this article today and would be happy for him to be on Q& A again.

      The only thing about this article that I don’t accept is the absolute credit that Rudd is given for delaying the GFC. I am not going to argue the case today but will wait patiently for the economic history revisionists to get it right in the end.

      I find people like the crikey man on Q & A really annoying. He takes up so much room on the high moral ground that only a select few can join him. Why doesn’t he have a go at doing something himself rathet than harping from the sidelines. What does it mean when someone talks with their eyes shut/ The studio lights are bright or he fears you can read that his thoughts are full of crap.

    • loulou says:

      09:32am | 01/06/11

      No No It’s not just you, Jack Richards. I want to throw a punch too.  “.....pious pedantic little face…..”  perfect!!

    • Ashraf Ghebranious says:

      09:50am | 01/06/11

      Hey Joe. You maybe closer then you think with your analogy.

      Did not Caesar want to be emperor? Will have to fan the texts and studies.

      The other thing that is a bit off is Caesar started his career in foreign lands and it was his success there that lead to a bid for the throne. Seems Rudd’s displacement has made way for him to a career of foreign lands.

      And by the looks of it, he is quite happy. Maybe in a few more tours of Gaul, he can come back and we can all praise him with palm leaves.

    • sykesy says:

      08:55pm | 13/09/11

      He actually wanted to be Dictator, which is what he was. Not Emperor. The Romans weren’t quite ready even for that title yet, it was too close to King. And plenty of evidence suggests he only wanted to be Dictator because he truly believed that he was the only one who could get Rome back on her feet and he could not do this if he had people opposing him at every turn.
      Also its not technically true that he started his career off in foreign lands. He started his career in Rome as a prosecutor. Travelling to foreign lands came later as the normal route for furthering your career both in military and in politics and gained him wealth, military power and a higher reputation, but he already had his career.  He also most likely didn’t want the throne. Why would he? He wasn’t dumb. He already had all the powers of a king as Dictator, but without the title that everyone hated. He didn’t need to be king.

      Not meaning to diss your opinion here (I actually quite agree with it), just correcting a few historical facts.

    • jo says:

      09:51am | 01/06/11

      HI C1
      I agree with you about the crikey guy, he did not impress me,  Also the(Secretary for immigration Kate Lundy,  talked so much, she didn’t have the manners, to let the other guest get much of their own opinions across, I think one of the Labors motto these days, is just talk all over everybody, and this will wear any opposition down.
      don’t get me wrong Iv voted Labor all my life,  but stopped last year, for a number of reasons,  which i won’t bore you all with,

    • mel says:

      09:55am | 01/06/11

      I’m sorry I missed Joe.  I can’t watch that show.

    • Joan says:

      10:18am | 01/06/11

      Nahh you`re not livingin the past the backstabber Juliar of the lies is running the show and the only reason she is running the show is cos she lied to the people ` `There will be No Carbon Tax ...dah di dah.  big lie to all Australians . Then she also bought off Windsor and Oakshott and Wilke. By the way how are people in Altona faring???... any NBN to their door? has the Sunshine, Footscray hospitals received the same largesse as independent elecorates? If not they should be screaming at Juliars door.  The knifing of Rudd will only rest in history pages only when backstabber Juliar of the lies and big pay-off deals is gone.

    • jo says:

      10:44am | 01/06/11

      HI ACOTREl
      We all know about the horrible deaths SOME or MOST smokers are destined to have, Shouldn’t it be the choice of a person if they choose to smoke or not?????  Smokers, don’t need, want, or appreciate do gooders like you, with your “US DO GOODERS VERSES SMOKERS” attitude
      No bullying and dictating, horrible pictures, plain packaging ,  from the nanny state, and nagging from the do gooders will convince, smokers to give up, something they enjoy, and are addicted to
      We all have our vices be it junk food, drugs, drinking, not minding our own business .We are all going to die, and probably horrible deaths if we are smokers or non smoker. something will get us in the end.

      Why is this such a big Issue, when smokers are hurting no one but themselves, WHY?????? isn’t labor doing something useful like putting its attention to the ‘high the cost of living,’ the price of renting, goobles up most of   peoples wages, only people with double the income of the masses, can call themselve a non battler. the price of power bills, of putting food on the table, It would be a better world if polititions concentrated on the important issues, and butted out of peoples lives.

    • Stiffy says:

      11:33am | 01/06/11

      Jo, from your comments I take it that your a smoker. As a reformed smoker I know it is the nicotine addiction you have that is making you say these words.
      For your own good and the ones you love, and love you, try to give them up. From a less emotional and more pragmatic point of view,  your habit will be costing the Australian Taxpayer for the inevitable health problems your smoking is causing you. Those pictures on your packet of cigs are real.
      Go cold turkey. I found it to be a great test of ones inner strength plus hey you will save money. I hope I live to see the day when this evil product will no longer be commercially available in Australia.

    • Luce says:

      12:09pm | 01/06/11

      Jo, you’re right, people should have a choice as to whether they smoke, but along with that choice should come some personal responsibility. As Stiffy (nice name p.s.) says, the health consequences of smoking cost the tax payers enormous amounts of money each year, so how about taking out some private health insurance so that you actually are the only one bearing the consequences? That said, the affect these issues have on your loved ones cannot be taken on by someone else..

    • loulou says:

      01:30pm | 01/06/11

      @S….y (Can’t bring myself to key in your name, ok?)

      Agree about the inner strength.  But it’s not “evil”.  Save “evil” for the brutish, the bestial etc.  Cigarettes NOT “evil”.

      I like Joe H.  He’s very funny, very clever

    • Luce says:

      11:15am | 01/06/11

      Kevin Rudd was ousted because, despite the image he tried to portray, he was more of a self interested, arrogant “leader” who was convinced he knew the right answers without input from others, which resulted in the BER, pink batts, an NBN which is going to inevitably fail, huge amounts of debt for future generations to pay off (Joe, it’s dubious as to how much Kevin actually saved us from recession), and eventually his own execution. The only shame about his departure is that his replacement is almost just as faulty.

      He’s not quite the hero you make him out to be.

    • hermes says:

      11:52am | 01/06/11

      Is it too difficult for some to use a little critical analysis on how they have reached their opinions on a person who, most likely, none of them have ever met? What I mean by this, is that we get lots of desktop analysis on Kevin Rudd’s character; and on what factual information is this based? Oh yes, on what the ALP said after it knifed him… Methinks, or am I just being a cynical old woman, that this is, perhaps, a tad vested interest in making him look bad, and to justify their atrocious behaviour?

      Further, I repeat my call to all and sundry; does ANYONE on these forums personally know and/or like Julia Gillard? I have heard many, on this and other forums, say Kevin Rudd, Tony Abbott and Malcolm Turnbull (for example) are all decent people who do a lot for their electorates. I have *never* heard the same of Julia. Although she comes across as a horrible harridan, perhaps (yeah, right) I am wrong?

    • Daniel says:

      12:01pm | 01/06/11

      But Gillard is no Augustus.

      She reminds me more of a Nero or perhaps a Claudius, installed by the latter day praetorian guard of the Greens.

    • Luce says:

      12:20pm | 01/06/11

      I think Joe was comparing Augustus to Abbott.. I’m not sure if he was trying to insult Augustus, or compliment Abbott, either way it wasn’t a particularly good comparison.

    • James1 says:

      01:45pm | 01/06/11

      Daniel,

      Caligula is better for Ms Gillard.  And Bob Brown must be the equivalent of the horse Caligula appointed as a senator…

    • mel says:

      02:17pm | 01/06/11

      Very good,  James1

    • Bob says:

      01:02pm | 02/06/11

      >>She reminds me more of a Nero or perhaps a Claudius, installed by the latter day praetorian guard of the Greens. <<

      Claudius was competent

    • Warwick says:

      12:06pm | 01/06/11

      Joe, you were far and away the best thing I’ve ever seen on Q&A. This piece, though, is an analogy carried too far. And Rudd as Caesar? With pink batts, school halls, fuel watch, grocery watch and the rest? With programmatic specificity? No, Rudd is the academic’s politician. Julia, on the other hand, is certainly the sly and duplicitous assassin.

      Remember the sign at the Canberra protest that labelled Julia as Brown’s bitch? That’s a good description - bitch as in “prison bitch.” Someone who gets screwed by the tough guy in order to keep out of trouble.

    • hermes says:

      12:25pm | 01/06/11

      Most of those failed policies came from Gillard and Swan…the latter of which seems to have capitalised on his milquetoast manner to escape all sorts of approbation

    • Steve Putnam says:

      05:44pm | 01/06/11

      You’d know what a “prison bitch” is Warwick,  I’m sure.

    • fox says:

      12:06pm | 01/06/11

      Mining, not Rudd, saved us from the GFC, despite Rudd trying to ruin the economy with his $900 plasma TV grant and the disastrous increasing of the first home buyers grant which sent the ridiculous property prices even higher, to the point where virtually no first home buyers can buy a house without signing up for a lifetime of servitude just to pay off the mortgage.

    • Dash says:

      12:47pm | 01/06/11

      You forgot to mention the role of the Howard Government’s Financial Services Reform Act, the repayment of $96billion in ALP debt, the $20+ billion in surplus left to the ALP and the restoraion of the nations AAA rating.

      Rudd and the ALP trying to claim that they saved the nation after a half hour in office is so hillarious. And the $47billion second stimulus overheated the economy and drove up interest rates! Btw, $900 handouts to dead people but my family got zero because I paid too much tax! Go figure?

    • Bob says:

      01:06pm | 02/06/11

      Dash: And just think: You’re still one of the people paying back that $900 - With interest (As it was borrowed money)

    • Thoth says:

      12:24pm | 01/06/11

      Why do I wake up in my darkest moments with a vision of Acotrel,Tim, MarK, Persephone, TChong and Badger slaving away at a bank of computers just down the corridor from Julia’s Office. Is Persehone (Queen of the Underworld) having a rostered day off today?.

    • hermes says:

      12:49pm | 01/06/11

      she’s a teacher, maybe it’s a punch free day…

    • persephone says:

      08:30pm | 01/06/11

      hermes

      correct

      gold star and elephant stamp

    • peterb says:

      12:26pm | 01/06/11

      Whenever I see a right-leaning commentator talking up Kevin Rudd, I suspect that they are not doing so out of admiration or sympathy for the former PM, but with an intent to stoke the discontent present among Labor voters.

    • bikinis on top says:

      12:27pm | 01/06/11

      Like all decent hard working Liberal Party voters, thinkers and loafers, Jon Hillegarde wants to take Australians and Australia back to 44 AD.
      Well in 44 AD Australia, Australia and Australians were better off.
      There were no Americans, No Englishmen, and no foreigners to worry about , to abuse, and to welcome.
      All the women were 44 - 28 - 44 .
      All the men used spears, boomerangs, and other stone age tools.
      Caesar and Rudd were unknown.Australia was heaven on earth

    • Bikinis on Top says:

      12:34pm | 01/06/11

      At least, Julius Caesar civilised England, France, and Italy.Before Caesar, the English, the French and the Italians were barbaric warlike ruthless people.
      Come to think of it, Caesar didn’t change anything or anyone much.
      Maybe Kevin Rudd will do a better job at civilizing Britain, france and Italy in his job as Australian Foreign Minister, Australia’s Number One job.

    • Bob says:

      01:14pm | 02/06/11

      The history buff in me has to blink and ask “What?” to Caesar civilising the Italians. The French? Fair enough. The English? Claudius. Caesar came, saw, conquered, left. The Italians? A series of wars between the Italian states and Rome, This was resolved in the aftermath of the Social war.

    • John says:

      12:37pm | 01/06/11

      What I find most intriguing is how?  How on earth did the ALP actually think this could work?  Who actually thought people would warm to Gillard in any case, let alone just after she’d knifed a popular PM?

      Imbeciles.

      They’ll be staring at PM Abbott from across the bench for their sins.  I suspect many of them would prefer execution.

    • mel says:

      01:45pm | 01/06/11

      First female PM - that’s what they thought would be ‘warming’.  Failed experiment.  Even “bogans” call her “bogan”.  How low can you go

    • Lapun says:

      02:08pm | 01/06/11

      It was a misprint!  It should have read “warning”.

    • bikinis on top says:

      12:40pm | 01/06/11

      Kevin Rudd went from the lowly unimportant job as Prime Minister to a far more important job as Australia’s Foreign Minister. he is more impoortant and more well known in the world now.
      Comparing his old job to his new job, is like comparing a footballer to a football coach.
      Julia Gillard is now the Primus Minister or Primal Minister or Prima Donna Minister.She is bearing scars, cuts, and bruises from breaking through the glass ceiling.

    • stevem says:

      12:47pm | 01/06/11

      Ah, yon Julia has a lean and hungry look…

    • Matthew Ross says:

      12:50pm | 01/06/11

      vincit qui se vincit—he conquers who conquers himself

    • James1 says:

      01:30pm | 01/06/11

      hovercraft mea plena est anguillae

      Sorry, couldn’t help it…

    • michael j says:

      01:22pm | 01/06/11

      @my-self Why are you listening to KRUDD on the tv saying Australia now has such high standing in NATO the UN will now invite us to be one of the first called up to back them in any more plans to supply troops for any conflict they see fit thanks KEV let the Cluster Bombs rain on,,
      I do wish you ,,smoking JOE,,would stop saying rudd was assinated with a nife
      he is still on the bloody tv,,gibbering away,,Press Club,,yeck,,
      The tussle to oust Caesar was from what i have read a bit more complicated
      then what this current pack of ‘’——-’’ could come up with,,Indeed i have seen accounts where Caesar was inflicted with between 190 and 250 stab wounds after the Senate was asked for a show of faith,,i reckon that’s more than a drunken Indonesian butcher would use on a dead cow,,,
      saw you on Q&A the other nite,,,,piss-poor showing i thought ,,,,,,,,,
      nah only joking mate,,,pity they didn’t have some high level player like KRudd
      for ya to rip inta,,,,,,,

    • maryellen says:

      03:18pm | 01/06/11

      m j   “gibbering” appears in the middle of your comment;  the comment which has spilled all over the screen, like a bottle of plonk.

      Can’t you go over to the Coffee story, or somewhere?  I hear them calling for you

    • michael j says:

      04:50pm | 01/06/11

      @maryellen-got some realy -realy cheap wine in the fridge ATM but i don’t drink alone,last time i did i put George thoragood on at 4 am and the police turned up and started an arugement,,and iwas ober toe the koffee ages o-go,,
      I could be serious for a minute an explain that————nope no fuc-en way—————————

    • hermes says:

      01:37pm | 01/06/11

      In my long ago misspent youth, I used to say “vidi, vici, veni” (I saw, I conquered, I came).

    • Soames says:

      02:05pm | 01/06/11

      Once upon a time, there was Flavius arbib Maximus, chief political private eye to Big Julie, and one who has since rinsed the blood off his toga, the blood of the aforementioned Big Julie, and gained the tenuous trust of his new mistress, the honourable Brutusette, as master of the collosueum.  Upon the political assination of his master, at the behest of Brutusette, the mistress of foil, (having a hairdresser of considerable skill in disguise technique for wannabee redheads) announced , after the moment of the almost fatal stabbing, with great wailing and gnashing of teeth, ‘I will lead you to the political nirvana’. Whereupon Big Julie, now a fallen soldier, bent painfully on one knee,  looking up to his new mistress, said, “et’ tu’ Brutusette’. Upon which, Brutusette said, ‘get up knave,  I’m the boss now, you can be the ambassador to my armies, inform me of their idiosyncracies and movements’. The real death of Big Julie is yet to be witnessed. It’s academic.

    • mel says:

      02:25pm | 01/06/11

      Iced Vo Vo = Kevin Rudd??  I didn’t hear his speech, so long ago.  Are they his favourite biscuits?  Pink and white.  I try not to picture the pursed, prissy mouth partaking ......

    • Kevin Rudd says:

      02:51pm | 01/06/11

      All he had to do was place a no-disadvantage test (on the national interest) on the ETS and resource rent tax it could have taken the same path as the GST - implmented with alterations that don’t move Australian jobs overseas.

      Now we will have an MRRT (State royalty deducted of course) and a carbon tax (import subsidy).

    • St. Michael says:

      03:19pm | 01/06/11

      “Ultimate power then went to the person they least wanted it to - a man who would rule for an age and obliterate their legacy.”

      Notable that this individual would be Octavian, later Casear Augustus.  Insofar as claims to empire from Julius Caesar are concerned, Augustus fulfilled Julius Caesar’s promise, he didn’t obliterate it.  The Augustine period is remembered as one of the Roman Empire’s most stable and prosperous, hence why they call it the Pax Romana.  It’s also when the Empire was at its physical height.  Augustus’s last words publicly were: “Behold, I found Rome of clay, and leave her to you of marble.”

      He was also a very ... young ... ruler ...
      For some reason, Wyatt Roy springs to mind…
      And he’s a Queenslander like Rudd, just as Octavius was Julius’s son by adoption…

    • Shane Granger says:

      08:32pm | 01/06/11

      I can’t believe they put Joe Hildebrand on Q&A. What a rubbish article…

      I couldn’t read past the Caesar/Rudd comparison as it had so many inaccuracies but lets deal with that incompetence & I’ll rubbish the rest of the article unread via twitter…

      1. Both men had grown up on the wrong side of the tracks, and been imbued with a sense that they must prove themselves superior to fat-bellied aristocrats;

      My POV: Caesar was a Julii, thus the ultimate aristocrat, linked by birth to the founding of Troy & Rome. He was also very athletic all through his life. Rudd is just a fat technocrat.

      2. Despite powerful connections, both men were regarded somewhat suspiciously by the political establishment - especially after they married rich women;

      My POV: Caesar was married very early as part of the pact to Marius Gaius who linked him as Pontifus Maximus of Rome. Although that came with a reasonable dowry Caesar was a self-made man coming to wealth via his military exploits and his close association with Crassus & Pompey.

      3. Both men had an outward-looking, expansionist and rather hawkish approach to foreign policy. Kevin pursued an intense campaign for a seat on the Security Council and the Libyan no fly zone, while Caesar had to make do with conquering the known world and chopping the heads off Gauls; and

      My POV: Caesar was no doubt a hawk and may have liked Rudd (if you replace Rudd with Cicero). There is no comparison between Caesar & Rudd in this context, its just rubbish…

      4. Both were undone when their expansive reform programs were opposed by the political elite for the most personal and parochial of reasons.

      My POV: Caesar had expansionist views & would have probably conquered Parthia if he had of survived the Ides of March. Rudd ran at the first opportunity of expansionism & then had the gall (not gaul) to blame Caucus (so weak, its shameful).

      Joe, you should be embarrassed by this article. Don’t let history or truth get in the way of a awful article…

    • Bob says:

      11:34am | 03/06/11

      2. Was Flamen Dialis - Pontifex Maximus came after his Praetorship.
      And can anyone imagine Caesar tamely submitting like Rudd did? I was amazed when he accepted the job of foreign minister - a demotion like that shouldn’t have been anything less than an intolerable insult to someone with actual pride. Leader of the opposition to a lower post - fair enough. But PM?

    • Dallas Beaufort says:

      12:18am | 02/06/11

      Dr Death or Dr Strange love, which ever you like, Kevin OO7 is a bot, living on the 24/07 news cycle and delivering his form of pleasure to the left wing press who starve for anything which resembles news as they can’t get away from their desk,hopefully fast enough!

    • 'Utoikamanu, SMT says:

      06:48am | 02/06/11

      AAA+++ article, but just to point out that when Mr Rudd married Ms Rein, she was not yet rich.

      It has to be emphatically said here that the “basis of the democratic process”, as we know it, was trashed on the 23 June, 2010.

      The (majority of the) voters elected the then Leader of the Opposition, together with other ALP MPs, as PM during the 2007 Election. I would have thought that again it is up to the voters, to vote him in or out come the next Election, not the ALP machinery (and this applies to any other political party).

      In Opposition you could put up how ever many Leaders may want to have, simply because you have been rejected at the Ballot Box by the majority.

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