Journalists tend to adopt a natural default position whereby censorship is deemed to be one of the purest forms of evil, and that we should fight any government which tries to curtail the freedom of adults to make up their own minds on what they say, watch and read.

Hey kids: this is what repression really looks like.

Over the past few months I’ve found that my personal default position has been challenged, oddly enough, by the anti-censorship lobby. Lobby is a bit of a loose term - there is no formal lobby as such - it’s a pretty diverse and disorganised conglomeration of humanity, containing authors, artists, journalists, information technology experts, social media enthusiasts, twitterers and the like.

Large - and in my view, largely stupid - sections of this group have had the surprise effect of turning me into a closet fan of Communications Minister Stephen Conroy. Not because his internet filtering plan is a work of genius. Far from it.

It is worrying that we are adopting a mandatory system when other European democracies have opted for a voluntary one, where internet service providers can decide whether to use the government-operated nanny system to prevent access to dodgy sites.

It’s even more alarming that the system will (obviously) involve automation - and as anyone who has a firewall at their workplace knows, these systems are notoriously unreliable, often preventing access to innocuous material while failing to block actual smut.

As the leaked “blacklist” of banned sites revealed earlier this year, even thought it was only a working draft, some innocent arty sites and some credible journalism about scandals such as the Bill Henson affair had been caught up in the initial version of this system.

But for all these serious flaws and complicated questions, the anti-censor brigade has in my view turned Stephen Conroy into something of a hero for decency and civility. This is because the arguments being mounted against his plan - and specifically against him, as for some unfathomable reason this has become a bitchy personal campaign - fall into three woeful categories.

The historically inaccurate, the deliberately incorrect, and the morally ambivalent.

If you want to get a close look a generation of pampered kids which has never known repression, and knows little of history, open a twitter account and type in the words #cleanfeed.

Earlier this year they were taping their mouths up with black duct tape in protest at what they saw as a blanket attack on their web freedoms. Now they are redoing their avatars (computer headshots) to run “No Clean Feed” under their faces as they casually compare the conduct of the Rudd Government to the dictatorships in China, Iran, Burma, the former Soviet Bloc. It’s like they’re getting off on the idea that this is their Tianenmen moment, the small difference being that at no stage will a tank come crashing through the study that Mum and Dad built at their eastern suburbs bungalow when they did the renovations back in 2006, just as young Hamish was starting his communications degree.

These ahistorical misrepresentations have found a voice beyond the twitter crowd and have been egged on, recklessly, by members of the Coalition, jurists such as Michael Kirby, publishers who should really know more about history than to make such a dumb comparison. It’s not only an absurd distortion of government intent, it’s a rotten insult to those who have actually been tortured and killed in those countries for trying to exercise their freedom of speech.

The thing that helps steer these censorship campaigners towards historical inaccuracy - aside from their strange fantasies of political persecution in their otherwise drab bourgeois existence - is the outright lies that are being told about how the system will work.

It’s been said repeatedly that the government will be able to draw up its own list and declare on a whim that a particular website or site must be shut down. This has of course been extrapolated out into any number of worse case scenarios, along the absurdist lines seen with biker gangs or terrorist groups. You know the logic - “If the government can ban the Hells Angels or Al Qaeda, what’s to stop them banning the local Rotary Club?” (apart from of course common sense, constitutionally guaranteed elections, and the small fact that the Rotary Club doesn’t sell speed and didn’t claim responsibility for September 11.)

From everything I have read by people who have actually looked at the proposals, the government will itself have no power to ban any website. Rather, the decisions of the independent classifications board - which already determine which movies, books and magazines we consume - will be extended to include the same content online.

And it’s squalid stuff - and only squalid stuff - that is being talked about. Child porn, bestiality, rape fantasies, women being beaten up - the sort of stuff which you’d think any self-respecting left-winger should be actively campaigning against.

Despite the hideous nature of what is being targeted, it is depressingly easy to find an absolutist anti-censorship mindset out there. It enjoyed one of its best expressions earlier this year on Q and A, on a night when despite that program’s (genuine) attempts to achieve an ideologically diverse audience, the crowd appeared to be evenly split between communists under the age of 25, and communists over the age of 65.

Stephen Conroy was perched on the stage with the black hat, with conservative columnist Andrew Bolt playing a dastardly support role. And it was Bolt who, to his credit, took fellow panellist Louise Adler from Melbourne University Press to task over her quite stunning declaration that pretty much anything should be published and we could then battle it out in the contest of ideas.

“What I find reprehensible, you don’t,” Adler said to Bolt. “What you find unpalatable, I don’t. I want to fight you in the public sphere.”

Bolt challenged Adler as to where - or whether - she would ever draw a line.

“So nothing at all should be banned?” he asked.

“May a thousand ideas bloom and let’s contest them, because that’s what tells us that our democracy is robust,” she replied.

Tellingly, host Tony Jones got a huge and unsolicited cheer from the audience when he asked Conroy hypothetically if there was anything in the legislation that could prevent Andrew Bolt’s column from being published.

The crowd gave the game away there. They did it again on our website The Punch this week, where we ran a thoughtful piece by journalist Alexandra Carlton suggesting that the need to eliminate child porn was more important than blanket net freedom - only to face attack from anti-censorship campaigners for having the temerity to publish something they disagreed with.

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    • Eric says:

      05:17am | 19/12/09

      The whingeing of a media dinosaur being supplanted by an open network.

    • Nick says:

      06:18am | 19/12/09

      To summarise: Lefties are ignorant scum.

      Reading between the lines, it wasn’t an article about censorship but censorship was the big talking point this week, so you had to use it as a weapon. You also had to play devil’s advocate and provoke an attack from the “lobby.” Agreeing would get no response and therefore make no money for News Limited.

    • Dave Rock says:

      07:08am | 19/12/09

      Vaucous politicians give censorship a good name. Penbo, if it’s mainly commies opposing the filter then, like, whatever, let the fightclub of the ‘commies’ and the christian control freaks battle it out for our media entertainment during the pagan/christian/capitalist-retail midsummer festival. You also seem to cling to a curious double standard Penbo of anti-censorship activists being democratically-spoilt, trivial, irrational and hypocritical. Isn’t that just humans in general, including politics AND politicians? If Conroy wants to clear up any misinformation and is so sure of his facts, let him come here and debate the details. He thinks random TV appearances and press releases is communication. Why is he acting like we need censorship and then running from the media and not facing up to legimate questions? Why is he acting like he is our representative?

    • mid says:

      08:11am | 19/12/09

      Good article, I have to say Penbo were we heading down the same route as Germany and Italy (i.e. a mandatory filter for a very specific set of websites - child pornography) I would be out there waving the Conroy flag and arguing quite happily that it is the right thing to do. I find in my experience with such filters in the corporate space though that this one is just too flexible and open to interpretation when it comes to what will be censored from the net.
      I do however think dismissing someone because of political affiliation is a bit of a cheap shot…

    • watto says:

      08:19am | 19/12/09

      I’m sure Labor is treating this campaign that has gone viral, a little more seriously. This week on the Punch you had: 1. Stephen Conroy, with an expensive filter that only blocks the low-tech or non-geeks amongst us. 2. Richard Marles - Pollyanna poppycock about the actual state of science and the bright future for young Aussie scientists, 3. Mike Rann aka Mr Antiscience, who has played his hand in mortally mismanaging one of our biggest river systems and export farming regions. Why concentrate on the normal ratbags that exist in any political party or movement, when senior political leaders are showing a pattern of serious technical and scientific incompetence; arrogance & industry disconnection?

    • Tarkam says:

      08:24am | 19/12/09

      I’m still trying to come to terms with the argument in support of this filter.
      It’s against child porn, that is the fact that every one agrees.
      Okay.

      It stops who from accessing child porn?
      Not me, I think that crap I can do without, like Miley Cyrus.
      Not you, not most of us I will assume.
      Not kids obviously, cause they wouldn’t look for it and it wont stop them talking about Miley Cyrus on Facebook and being friended by some 54 year old airplane steward called Frank

      So who are we spending $100 million of our tax dollars to stop seeing something that I would hope the Federal Police will be looking for and prosecuting as soon as possible?

      And how long before they are using software that defeats the function of the filter anyway?

      I don’t think creating something that stops people from sharing some of the most disgusting filth known is a bad thing, I just don’t think it will work for all that money spent.

      We could just set up a Cyber Attack squad to attack and disable the sites, sort of like going after terrorists with an Attack Drone in Pakistan. Take the money and set up a group of hacktivists able to destroy any site on earth, set up a reporting system, and after a horrified check of the site, wipe it out.
      (After of course stealing all their transaction records and giving it to the feds)
      Could even get a global force set up, what politician on the planet wouldn’t support that?

      If you’re serious about going after child porn, go after it, not wave a red flag and warn people about it when most of us are already disgusted and are more than happy for the feds to raid and jail as many as possible.

      Not very cost effective, that’s my problem.

    • John A Neve says:

      08:26am | 19/12/09

      David,
      I don’t see myself as a rabid reactionary, but I still totally disagree with Alexandra’s ” the need to eliminate child porn was more important than blanket freedom”.

      I still believe the loss of feedom is worse than loss of life, even the scots knew that 600 years ago. Any many others have thought the same since.

    • Socrates says:

      08:49am | 19/12/09

      Very droll, Penbo - if somebody opposes secret government censorship. they must be a commo or a spoilt brat.

      At the risk of spoiling a good story, you might consider:

      The filter will not work, despite Conroy claiming “100% effective”.  Any parent who believes that and stops supervising what their kids are looking at is in for a shock.

      Conroy claims the filter will “stop pedophile networks”.  Doubly wrong - most ISPs have long banned such sites because they are illegal so they are not on the open Net to filter, and pedophiles would use systems that cannot be detected by the filter anyway.

      The filter is said to ban anything that has been refused classification for public viewing, though there is nothing to stop a future government from adding to the list.  Conroy has invited supporters of the filter to come up with more things to ban, so it’s hard to have confidence about that.

      So the filter won’t work very well, will give false confidence to parents based on political statements, will slow Net access, will do nothing about pedophiles and can be used to ban anything that a small number of people may loudly demand.  And of course what is banned will be secret, with heavy penalties for any disclosure.

      Good one, Penbo.

    • persephone says:

      09:23am | 19/12/09

      John A Neve

      If loss of freedom is loss of life, than you’re not only dead, you never existed and never will exist.

      No society is free. All societies are compromises between the desires of the individual and the needs of the greater community.

      Sorry, mate, you’re already groaning under a weight of oppression, I don’t see how one more minor impost on your life is going to send you under.

      Especially as everyone keeps saying it’s ineffective.

    • pokkeme says:

      09:28am | 19/12/09

      You can’t blame the public for being antsy about anything that is ‘run’ or ‘regulated’ by the Government - any Government. The standard pattern once bureaucracy gets involved is usually ‘consultation’, which never seems to ask the actual questions we want to answer, then more consultation at great expense, then much later, the implementation of a second or third-rate method with a blown-out budget, and after that, a bit of digging that will find the hugely expensive and ineffective model doesn’t really work but someone’s mate or partner got really rich setting it up.
      Cynical? Yes. Once the Government is making the decisions on what we see on the internet there will be an opportunity for error. Hope no-one’s sent out of business because someone spotted, say, Vestial virgin statues, rather than Bestial virgin statues…
      Canada is supposed to have a good sense of humour - wonder if their immigration program has cynical and despondent Aussie citizens on their ‘must-have’ list…

    • kate says:

      09:36am | 19/12/09

      I’ll tell you what’s “vaucuous” David (is the some king of ironic joke I don’t get?) and that’s your argument in the last paragraph that it’s somehow ironic for anti-censorship campaigners to disagree with an opinion piece. I’m sure for the most part they’re not saying the piece shouldn’t have been published, they’re saying it’s incorrect, which they’re entitled to do.
      David, I generally enjoy your writing, but I swear to god if you employ the same tired tactic of attacking the so-called ’bourgeois’, with your usual “pinot-drinking, basket-weaving, hybrid-car driving” criticism (this time it’s extension-building, don’t you just hate them!), to prove your point one more time I will scream.

    • J Bakes says:

      10:04am | 19/12/09

      Standard postal mail (snail mail) – a person pays a carriage service to import and/or export communications in the form of “text” to and from themselves and another person(s).

      Standard “fixed line” telephone – a person pays a carriage service to import and/or export communications in the form of “sound” to and from themselves and another person(s).

      Standard Facsimile – a person pays a carriage service to import and/or export communications in the form of “text” and “[static]image”to and from themselves and another person(s).

      Standard Mobile Phone – a person pays a carriage service to import and/or export communications in the form of “sound” “text” and “image [moving and static]” to and from themselves and another person(s).

      Standard Internet – a person pays a carriage service to import and/or export communications in the form of “text”,“sound” and “image [moving and static]” to and from themselves and another person(s).


      Should one, or any of the above forms of communication between two or more people be subject to classification and possible censorship by any government within Australia?

      Should one, or any of the above forms of communication between two or more people be subject to unreasonable search and seizure by any government within Australia?

      Should “email” (which imports and exports communications in the form of “text”,“sound” and “image [moving and static]) be subject to classification and possible censorship by any government within Australia?

      Does anyone else find it strange that it seems that some media and other corporations are actually advocating for censorship of free trade when their normal response to calls for censorship and protectionism is outrage, or do they only get more outraged when children are exploited – but that can’t be right as the mainstream media industry, fashion industry, fast food industry, confectionery industry (and many, many more) generally make money by exploiting children. What is their motive here, Money????

    • Wayne Hutchins says:

      10:13am | 19/12/09

      Oh dear, I appear to have been censored! Bit tough on you was I Pembo. Sook!

    • hoofman says:

      10:16am | 19/12/09

      David, the signs of you straining to write something provocative were a bit too apparent in this article.

    • John A Neve says:

      10:16am | 19/12/09

      Persephone @1023hrs,

      I am not sure I should respond to you, as, in your view, I am already dead!

      However, am I to take it that you have no objections to even more restraints being place on your lifestyle?

    • Matt says:

      10:44am | 19/12/09

      Oh geezus David.

      Your getting public opinion from Twitter?!

      And your saying just because people disagree with the seemingly pro-filter stories present on this site that it’s ironic of the anti-censorship crowd.

      Uh how? Are they calling for the Punch to be blocked? No….......... well that’s your theory debunked then.

    • persephone says:

      10:59am | 19/12/09

      John A Neve

      Obviously I don’t. I will, of course, miss my usual Saturday night serve of RC material, but I guess I’ll learn to live without it.

      And you’re the one who wants to live free or die. Face it, you’re not living free at the moment.

    • Humbug says:

      11:34am | 19/12/09

      Pfftt. Very high horse, there, Mr Penberthy, what with the binned replies and all.

      Still, if you want to lecture your readers on what dills they are, far be it from me…etc etc

      But is still soudns like bloody humbug to me.

    • Adam says:

      11:58am | 19/12/09

      I can’t tell you how angry this type of post makes me. The biggest issue is the muddying of the topic from the various factions which includes you David.

      Child pornography (which is the central theme of this filter) is already illegal. It is already reported on, investigated and hopefully charged. Sites are being taken down every day.

      The filter works by getting a report on such a site (how you can stumble upon child pornography is beyond me anyway) and then added to a blacklist at which point the ISP does not allow access.

      How can the time, money, destruction of freedoms be justified for the same overall result in blocking illegal content?

      Here is an article that explores this argument much further:
      http://www.itnews.com.au/News/163063,commentary-why-we-dont-need-a-filter.aspx

    • AT says:

      12:01pm | 19/12/09

      So, Penbo, you don’t have a problem with what’s being argued, just the manner in which it’s being argued?

      Somewhat timidly, you describe some of the Clean Feed’s flaws and then you ridicule the filter’s opponents, labelling them ‘drab bourgeois commies’ named Hamish and deride an imagined “absolutist anti-censorship mindset”.

      I mean, that’s all you’re arguing against, isn’t it? It’s nothing more than a question of etiquette.

      To dismiss all the Hamishes of world because of their street theatre, their class and (as you perceive it) their naivety, rather than their arguments, betrays your “absolutist smartarse mindset”. Hamish and every other genre of opposition is perfectly entitled to express their opinions howsoever they wish.

      You don’t have to agree with them or embrace their histrionics, but when you ridicule their arguments and even allow your own opinion to be swayed because of their “personality” rather than their opinions… it kinda invalidates your credibility.

      A genuinely free and open society is a diverse and raucous entity. Seeking to diminish a strata of that society because you think they’re a little silly is more than a little silly itself. It could even be dangerous, oppressing your fellow citizens with that sort of mean-spirited taunting.

      You should censor yourself, I know I never would.

    • Kevin Rennie says:

      12:09pm | 19/12/09

      Have you read all the report? It doesn’t show: “And it’s squalid stuff - and only squalid stuff - that is being talked about.” It covers, “detailed instruction in crime”. How will the list deal with different crimes in different States? If euthanasia is legalised in one State, would sites explaining how to use the laws be banned? Would sites arguing for a change in the law face censorship? http://tiny.cc/LikUV

    • Chase Stevens says:

      12:41pm | 19/12/09

      This is wasting my money, my families money and the whole nations money.

      Not only will this not stop CP Rings (It may make it ever so slightly more difficult) parents who already don’t supervise and check their children’s history will become even more relaxed about the whole idea. Also the difference between the Classification board and the body that will deal with this is that what is RC’d is publicly available with reasons given. Will this be the same? No?

      RC’d material is also perfectly legal, being RC’d only prevents it from being bought and sold within Australia so long as it does not contain any illegal material, not only that some material that is RC’d is only RC’d because it does not fit comfortably in any of the classifications

      Rape fantasies? Seriously? Now the Government can police private citizens thoughts too?

      If people want to really to protect their kids then they should go buy (Or download) a filter and make sure they supervise their kids and they can stop imposing their rights on mine.

    • Chris says:

      01:25pm | 19/12/09

      Bit off the mark with this one Penbo.
      Can’t say I agree at all.

    • steveo says:

      01:28pm | 19/12/09

      Well I have nothing to hide but it certainly looks like many do.
      This is about preventing the marketing of filfth, violence and unwanted sexual intrusion into kiddie sites.
      What’s wrong with you people?
      We have censorship of everything else as David has pointed out.
      This is just another issue for Coalition supporters to beat the ALP with.

    • upurs says:

      01:37pm | 19/12/09

      Penberthy makes a good argument for net censorship, his diatribe should be blacklisted immediately, just in case such outrageous stupidity is contagious.

    • Question time says:

      01:41pm | 19/12/09

      You may question yourself as who are the big players in this type of enterprise. 

      Question the ownership and the planners that choose to involve in such….typical scull heads that indulge themselves into a sick form of madness.

      What $$$$‘s come and go between those big time players.

    • John A Neve says:

      02:36pm | 19/12/09

      Persephone @ 1159hrs,

      You and those like you are an even bigger worry than the introduction of a filter. You are, it appears, content for government to nibbly away at our lifestyle. Sadly, one day you will wakeup with nothing.

      The bulk of the populace are no better of than we were 2,3 or4 hundred years ago. Beads and blankets have just given way to TV’s and MacMansions.

    • TB says:

      02:51pm | 19/12/09

      Well, I’ll say this about Penbo - at least in this article he’s had the decency to openly declare that he’s engaging in ad hominem attacks.

    • Lord Grognard says:

      02:59pm | 19/12/09

      FREEDOM IS SLAVERY

    • Socrates says:

      03:22pm | 19/12/09

      Perhaps News Corp and other content marketers favour the idea of secret government censorship because it could also be used to secretly remove access to those pesky torrent downloaders?

    • monkeytypist says:

      03:34pm | 19/12/09

      Here’s the beautiful thing David: on one end of the spectrum, people are able to publicly disagree on whether Alexandra Carlton is right or not.  Which direction should we face towards then? On the other, they’re not.  Believe it or not, there are some two-sided issues where leaning towards one side is an unqualified good.

    • Davy says:

      05:37pm | 19/12/09

      Perhaps it could be considered infantile to equate the loss of freedom re internet activities to Tiananmen square etc. However I wonder how it is possible that situations such as Hitler and nazi’s could convince normal free thinking germans that exterminating Jews was a good and worthwhile thing.
      No I am not equating the two but I am suggesting that perhaps a journey of 1000 miles begins with a single step.
      It is right that in a society such as ours that these things should be discussed in an open forum, and those who see the end of the road a little differently, should argue re taking any steps along such a road.

    • Pistola says:

      06:11pm | 19/12/09

      Absolute garbage Penbo.

      The filter will NOT only block ‘squallid stuff’, regardless of whether ACMA is independent or not - just look at the leaked blacklist.

      And like it or not, we are joining a very exclusive club alongside Burma, China and Iran. Who cares about the level of censorship - it’s abhorrent regardless of the level of encroachement.

      News Limited should be taking a strong stand against this, instead we get garbage editorials in The Australian waving the flag for more government inteference in our lives.

      Never voting Labor again and I’m now fully in support of an Australian bill of rights.

    • Johnno says:

      06:50pm | 19/12/09

      It reminds of when I was first year at uni in the late 80s and tried to get the “Anarchist’s Cookbook” through the library via international loan, as our library didn’t have it. Of course I was told even though it was indeed in some American collections it was banned in Australia.

      I was outraged. I told my friends. They were outraged. We were adults who should be free to view what we wanted! Why were American’s eyes more worthy than ours to see it?

      After realizing skulking into the library and muttering “That really sucks. You are a fascist.” to the counter staff had no real effects, a couple of angry articles were written in the student newspaper which likewise had no effect.

      Because I only cared about getting the book, I wised up and realized if I contacted a friend in the US he could buy the book for me in the States and send it to me. Cautiously, (and thinking I was going to study Law) I asked him to bind a different cover to it, and send it at Christmas to evade casual detection.

      Once received, and the juiciest sections photocopied and distributed, the ruckus died down. The only people who cared anymore were ones who didn’t really want the book, but wanted to use its banning as a platform for a whinge. Eventually they didn’t care either.

      I predict the same thing will be repeated in this instance on a bigger scale.

      People really wanting some RC material will use a server in a country where the web site is able to be accessed. It will send the censored data back to them after “disguising” it with encryption. If the server isn’t under surveillance, or actually run by the authorities, you’re all good. Once everyone who cares is doing this, or getting material from someone else who is, the ruckus will die down.

      Remember, the current proposal only blocks HTTP. The only way of actually approaching censorship of the internet (or rather, the protocols that transfer the data around it), as it exists in its current form, is to restrict encryption use to only approved people/groups. And get a global consensus to do that. Good luck with that.

    • Chris L says:

      09:55pm | 19/12/09

      Penbo, I suspect the comparisons people are making between internet censorship and oppressive regimes of the past are intended to point out where this can lead. No, we shan’t instantly morph from a democracy to a tyranny, but this is one of the steps that could lead us in that direction. Do you really trust the government with a secret blacklist?

    • Radical Chick says:

      09:58pm | 19/12/09

      Oh well whatever…if you as a journo doesn’t mind being told by the Government what to think… that tells me you are not particularly bright or curious….and as such you did not publish anything smart this time either…
      I just am glad I have your name so I don’t do the temerity to read your column again…..

    • Anon says:

      10:25pm | 19/12/09

      Hey Penbo, when I was younger, I decided to experiment with drugs. Some would say not the brightest idea, but that was my decision to make. You know what I did? I got online, and I researched. I wanted to know how things work, what effect I could expect, what was safe, what the potential harm was etc etc.

      Now I guess seeing as these sites are the type that give explicit detail on committing a crime, they would be refused classification. Would I have chosen not to experiment without the internet? More than likely. Would I have made some mistakes that would have greatly increased my chances of doing long term damage? Probably.

      Do you have kids Penbo? It’s nice to think My son/daughter would never take drugs so I don’t care. But if they decided they were going to do it anyway, wouldn’t you prefer they took some basic precautions?

      If it was only squallid and horrific content no one would care. The fact is, the law is a fickle thing. Homosexuality was illegal in Tasmania until 1997, so don’t tell me the law is rock solid. I’m more than happy to block illegal content IF and ONLY IF there is zero impact on performance.

      I am not happy for LEGAL content to be blocked. If it was that ‘squallid’ it would be illegal to posess, not just refused classification. News Ltd has a very clear stance on the filtering issue, and I’m not sure what the motives are. What I can say is the ‘Squallid Content’ argument is a straw man. Refused Classification has a much much broader scope, so you have a lot of justifying to do as to why that content should be swept up in this mess.

      To be really honest, I think you’re either stupid or being purposely deceptive, as 99% of anti-filtering sentiment addresses just those issues.

    • Paul says:

      07:19am | 20/12/09

      Why don’t you trust journalists, us mass of bloggers, or the media - heritage or internet based - to sort out the battle of ideas Penbo? Both mediums seem to have a long and solid history of doing mostly that! Do you smirkingly pretend to support freespeech but want to inflict more political correctness on us? And, the internet probably is socialist, it’s run by us and largely the bulk of the published content - whatever the quality - is the peoples. The power in the system is actually held by the mostly benevolent geeks. The internet was orignally designed to survive a Cold War nuclear attack and bypass knocked out commuication nodes and transmission lines and still get messages through. Why retard natural media and cultural evolution Penbo for your own trivial weekend pleasure and pretend to respect a Dufus, like Conroy,  whose belief-based policy fantasizes on blocking a Chinese and Iran proof, nuclear-proof, super advanced media system?

    • Ian says:

      08:18am | 20/12/09

      To see how stupid the filter critics are, just look at the reactions to Kate Lundy’s backflip. Lundy and her offsider Pia Waugh have basically told the little darlings to f.. themselves, and they come back and say: “Thanks for being open about this Kate and Pia.”

      http://www.katelundy.com.au/2009/12/17/my-thoughts-on-the-filter/

    • Humbug says:

      08:22am | 20/12/09

      I quite agree this is Penberthy piece is hypocritical dross, made up of cheap journalistic tricks - the assumed agreement “you know the argument”, the sneering stereotype (“drab bourgeois existence”), the implied swipe that its all from “self-respecting left-wingers”.

      But if we’re to take Penberthy to task for sloppiness, let’s get it right. He did *not* write “drab bourgeois commies”.

      Indeed, the term “commie” has only ever been used once by a Punch author, Peter Lewis, and then ironically. True, its slashed out as insult sadly often (and then often enough ludicrously mis-spelt) by only by the more foam-at-the-mouth posters-in-reply.

      Bah. Such a constuct is inherently nonsensical, anyway. Look it up.

      And seriously, who, in happily, eternally bourgeois Oz, whether blue-singlet, blue suit, or blue-rinse, was *ever* going to go for chucking out capitalism? Hmm? Chuck out all our banks, our tradies, our shops, our neat little houses, our busy little burger bars, or our pubs, our footy, our TV and our beer?

      Ah The Red Under the Beds! Commies taking over! What bull-dust. It is and was always just pure bull-dust fantasy, of the furtherest wings of both Right and Left.

      So “Bourgeois Commies” my foot. If you’re going to have a crack at cheap crap like the Penberthy piece, at least get it right!  Or, as the waitress said to the soy-latte decaf customer….“honestly, why bother!”

    • AT says:

      09:55am | 20/12/09

      Humbug says:
      “Penberthy ... did *not* write “drab bourgeois commies”.”

      No, he didn’t. I did, at 01:01pm | 19/12/09.

      But he did describe a Q&A audience as being ‘made up exclusively of commies under the age of 25 and over the age of 65’. He also wrote of “Hamish” doing his communications degree and his study built for him by his parents in their “eastern suburbs bungalow”. He wrote derisively of protesters taping their mouths shut and pampered kids. He called filter opponents who had the temerity to comment on his site “largely stupid”.

      *My* “drab bourgeois commies” comment was a summary, a condensation of Penberthy’s largely stupid characterisation. Not unlike your “soy-latte decaf customer” comment.

      It’s curious that the normally moderately sensible Penbo should adopt the practice much beloved of Andrew Bolt and belittle others rather than argue a case on its merits. It might be entertaining, but it’s not clever. Not only is a valid viewpoint denied a voice because of its “appearance”, those doing the denying are also doing themselves a disservice by closing themselves off to what may prove to be a terribly enlightening comment.

      For example; the most interesting, nay, the ONLY interesting words I heard coming out of Copenhagen were: “If the climate was a bank, it would have been saved by now”. Unfortunately, those words were spoken by that loco commie Chavez and even then he was quoting those lunatic left-wing protesters. So I guess that opinion has no validity…

    • Humbug says:

      11:48am | 20/12/09

      AT I agree with your thrust but again, you’re still not quite right. It would be better for your argument if you didn’t overstate. He actually said
      “crowd appeared to be evenly split between communists under the age of 25, and communists over the age of 65”. No “exclusively” there.

      But I missed it altogether! So, my apologies.  Ah well, that’s free comment on a Sunday am for you. 

      Still, perhaps we can agree, as I’ve already said several times (one completely censored, so you’ll have to ask Penberthy what that was): his original piece is utter humbug and hypocrisy. Its dross, tricked up with cheap journalist flourish.

      And yes, the filter’s probably a crock and almost certainly bad in principle.  So if Abbott, Andrews, Minchin & co ever get their hands on such a thing, the Blacklist’ll grow forever.

      Humbug, in short: plan and piece.

    • Amused says:

      01:17pm | 20/12/09

      I applaud you on your ability to raise your Google ranking so that people interesting in finding out more about Conroy’s censorship regime will simply become aware the author of this article despises leftists. Jolly good show.

    • Peter Simmons says:

      04:44pm | 20/12/09

      Certain people, from the Left of politics, who demand freedom of speech are very vocal in their desires to have any criticism of their views banned.
      Andrew Bolt’s blog is a classic example of this hypocrisy.

      The Socialist left that certain people say does not exist have a new name -Secular Progressives - who still preach Marxist dogma.

      These are people who want rule by their ideology and use Democracy (rule by the Majority) to achieve their aim by demanding their minority rights over the majority. Political Correctness did not come from the majority.

      For them to argue against any censorship is the height of hypocrisy.

      PS :  A belated answer to J Neave
            Sorry for the late reply John

    • Eat The Rich says:

      08:31pm | 20/12/09

      Not sure I agree with you about lefties being the main political leanings of those opposed to the filter. I think they would mostly be classified as libertarians. And IMHO they are a political group all of their own, and a pretty weird one at that.

    • Eyeswiredopen says:

      08:32pm | 20/12/09

      I’ve been waiting for someone to mount a counter-argument over the filter, just to liven up a discussion which so far has been one-sided. This is not that argument.

      Penberthy uses a classic bogus debating technique of erecting a straw man which he then ritually burns to the ground.

      (1) The critics are “bourgeois”. Excuse me? That’s not an argument, it’s a mindless insult.

      (2) They’re namby pamby naifs ‘cos they think this is equivalent to China sending in the tanks to Tienenmen Square. Trouble is, nobody I have read has argued this. The comparison with China is specifically over its attempts to control the internet. As Google has pointed out, the proposed law makes Australia the first western democracy to attempt to censor the net. This pushes it over a line in the sand where China, Iraq and other totalitarian states are on our side, other western democracies on the other side That should worry everyone - including all of us who abhor child porn.

      (3) The proposed filter ignores the obvious fact there are already strict laws against not only producing child porn but also viewing it online. If you do either of these things you may be arrested and jailed. Quite rightly so.

      4) Experts on the child porn trade are unanimous in saying that it occurs on P2P networks - ie, outside of the range of this filter. Most of the people campaigning against the filter know this already (as does Penberthy, I suspect). Therefore they are highly suspicious of the government’s motives. They do not believe that this could really be about what Conroy keeps claiming it is about. They know that as a politician he must have been fully briefed. They are right to be sceptical.

    • Clint Walsh says:

      10:06pm | 20/12/09

      Lame attention seeking with ad hominem attack.

      Aged between 25 and 65 and not a commie, not called Hamish, and not going to be swayed by the personality of those proposing alternate views.

      Where’s the “Punch”?

    • mcdazz says:

      11:03pm | 20/12/09

      Once again, David Penberthy reveals just how little he understands about the “filter” and the opponents of Conroys “filter” - but more so, it highlights his complete ignorance on the topic.

      For some reason, David believes that opponents of Conroys “filter” fall into three “woeful” categories - “the historically inaccurate, the deliberately incorrect, and the morally ambivalent.”

      I disagree - some people disagree with the “filter” based upon their own technical experience and knowledge - experience that I don’t think David would even be close to having.

      As an IT Consultant with over 10 years of experience working in IT, including working with Firewalls and Proxy Servers, I know that there will be methods of bypassing this filter, and that these methods will be used by a great number of Australians - for legitimate and illegitimate reasons.

      I also know the impact that “filters” can have on perfectly legitimate traffic and how legitimate traffic can be caught up in the filter.

      I suspect David falls into his own category - the technically ignorant.

    • Adam Bell says:

      04:14am | 21/12/09

      You are deluded David. This policy is an absurd and abusive appropriation public money. Filtering is to child porn content pushers what wire taps are to drug pushers. They will “change up”.

      You and Conroy and all the other advocates of this waste of time, energy and public money may well rest up well in your duck feathers imagining yourselves atop of the moral tree but if it self love you need I suggest you buy a full length mirror and a tub of baby oil.

      How could someone of your supposed intellect and life experience honestly believe this mandatory system will achieve any of it’s stated objectives? Would you mind elaborating on that? Prohibition does not work. Look at drug laws and you know and I know that if you wanted at any time any of us are MAXIMUM 2 degrees of separation from a cocaine or ecstasy supply deal.

      Child porn is abhorrent. Violence against women is abhorrent. Violence is abhorrent.

      The OFLC won’t even issue R18+ ratings for PC and Console gaming. Did you read that? NO R18+ RATINGS FOR PC GAMES. They are already filtering what the public can access on their PCs. I would never play such games myself, occasional golf is or some retro shooting game is as far as I dabble on my PS2. But I’m not ignorant or naive enough to seriously believe that banning certain violent games or internet content is going to (1) foster change in behavior of violent or sexual predators or (2) address the root causes and motivations for such behavior or (3) reduce the crime rate in the areas of concern. Just as drug laws don’t work - a bunch of dudes in gaol networking and contracting HIV, Hep C and hired killers, all the while the drug trade continues to flourish. Just as preposterous as alcohol prohibition would be. Alcohol, whilst not as morally reprehensible and unlike sex crimes can be enjoyed in moderation, is a far worse offender in terms of contributing to violence against women, violence full stop, maming from accidents and indeed the mortality rate. Yet, bottle shop on every corner.

      Intelligent and forthright individuals: PLEASE do not drop your guard. Censorship and prohibition are flawed and are no match of the, dare I say, evil and cunning instincts of mankind. People will do what they do. Other people just chase those people and catch every one they can and incarcerate them for crimes against other people. Other than that, leave people alone and look after your own.

    • watto says:

      06:23am | 21/12/09

      @peter simmons likewise we who occupy the law abiding majority middle ground, reject Bolts wonky political correctness (for those that can’t bypass the filter) or to have our rights dictated by the powerful and vocal minority in the redneck right or christian right.

    • watto says:

      06:27am | 21/12/09

      @peter simmons likewise we who occupy the law abiding, majority middle ground, reject Bolts wonky political correctness (for those that can’t bypass the filter) or to have our rights dictated to by the powerful and vocal minority in the redneck right or christian right.

    • Dan says:

      06:43am | 21/12/09

      You’re such a fool David. Firstly, China and Iran are not dictatorships, so at least get your facts straight. But more importantly, people have perfectly legitimate reasons to oppose this filter, and this has nothing to do with being ‘communists’ or having communications degrees (you do realise that attacking those ‘darn lefties’ proves that you have no argument and you know it). It’s about the fact that it does not work, we are the only western democracy to have mandatory filters, and yes, some of those things you think are so evidently horrible are NOT objectively horrible; bestiality for one. Louise Adler is right, what is deplorable to you may not be deplorable to others. But it’s more than that. If someone goes onto a child porn site, arrest them, don’t instill mandatory filters which do not work and which can be used to restrict access to sites that the government may regard as immoral, but are not objectively so.

      Furthermore, you may not agree with Louise Adler, but she does have the right to say it. Also, we are perfectly entitled to disagree with Alexandra Carlton’s article, which was not particularly thoughtful. Nobody said she should have been banned from writing it, we just DISAGREE WITH HER!!!!!!!!! That’s not censorship. Look it up.

      People are perfectly entitled to oppose this disgusting filter. If you don’t agree, focus on our arguments, but don’t resort to abuse or act as if you are objectively right and everyone who disagrees wuth you are either trying to censor you or are hysterical.

    • John A Neve says:

      06:54am | 21/12/09

      Peter Simmons @ 0544hrs, 20/12/09,

      I don’t see myselfe as being left, right or centre, as I have mentioned before I believe this polarisation of our political scene is killing this country.

      But back to the the issues at hand. I doubt there can be any argument that more and more restrictions have been placed on the general public. To what cause? Has crime decreased, are people less fearfull are our children happier? The answer to these and many other questions, is, in my view, No.

      This proposed filter is yet another step in people control, it won’t even do what it is intended to do. It’s real intent is to dumb down the masses.

    • papachango says:

      11:55am | 21/12/09

      Penbo you seem confused in thinking its lefties who are anti the net filter and right wingers who support it.

      It’s hardly ‘communists’ who oppose net censorship - if anything real communists and socialists would be right into political censorship, as Marx spoke about the need to censor ‘reactionary’ propaganda. This thing would suit them to a tee if they got a chance to implement their socialist revolution.

      No, opposition to this appalling attack on indivual liberties comes from the vast majority of sensible people, be they right, left or middle. As a classical liberal, I despise socialism, and generally disagree with most of the stances of leftwing politics, however this is one of the few issues on which I agree with the Greens (except Clive Hamilton, the extreme totalitarian leftwinger who is pro-censorshi\p)

      As for Bolt, I spend a bit of time on his blog, and while he’s a tabloid conservative pot-stirrer, I generally at least partially agree with most of his arguments. Howevere, I’m very disappointed in his stance on this - a genuine free-market conservative (rather than just a social conservative) would be anti-censorship.

      I agreed with Louise Adler’s argument on Q&A, though I do find it a bit hypocritical of her when she simultaneously supports restrictions on book publishing to eliminate competition.

    • Garry says:

      12:08pm | 21/12/09

      Once Upon a Time in a red sandy land lay a child in bed scared of the bright flickering lights of the computer. Mummy and Daddy came in and said ‘it is safe darling, the big barrier saves you from finding the evil monsters out there’. A sigh of relief, but wait, outside is heard a loud growl, it is the evil monsters breaking through the thin wall hunting for her.

      Having the wall was useless for it did not stop the evil for they are evil but it only stopped the innocent little girls and boys from finding them… as if they went looking in the first place. The girl screams, the parents scream ‘who is protecting my children for it is not us to do’ and the oversees of the government they say, ‘darn it, now we must stop every person accessing the internet because one or two are evil… raise the taxes for we need more money to do so.’

      Okay Cynical but I think this a huge beat up, a huge waste of time and money which is being spent in the wrong places and a terrible shame that Australian’s have to be subjected to a barrier that will just make us a laughing stock around the world.

    • harquebus says:

      01:36pm | 21/12/09

      +90% of Australians just do not want the internet censored. Is that argument enough for you David?

    • Hughsey says:

      02:19pm | 21/12/09

      You’re so very brave Penbo. Just look at the vacuous comments you’ve generated here - all just proving the point you were making. Well done. Both sides of this argument have been completely hysterical.

    • Gary says:

      03:05pm | 21/12/09

      Okay, let me ask this of our journalist. If in a recent poll conducted by a newspaper highlighted a 90%+ disapproval of this filter is that then cause for a journalist to say… the people do not want it yet a small minority insist the people are wrong and should over-ride that opinion.

      Sadly too many people involved - including Mr. Conroy - do not have an idea of what this all means. How do we stop the nasty? has anyone else in the world?  Mr. Conroy highlights several countries and their methods has been proven to be very wrong. So why are journalists not clambering for his resignation?

      Mr. Conroy asked for opinion on his own website where an incredible vast majority told him to listen to them and not do this and still he says the people are wrong.

      I sincerly give the man credit but sadly the method is a jackhammer approach to getting a shaped square widget through a round hole.

      Why was the labor party allowed to get away with a break in their election promises, ‘an opt out’ approach but now a ‘mandatory’. Surely Journalists, the moral, ethical and judge of our political parties have failed to hold them accountable?

      I will like Mr. Conroy and a large number of journalists to chat to their own IT people, ask them if this will work and look for the smile. In ten minutes they will tell you the problems, the way around it and even ways to do what Mr. Conroy wants to do…. Go on David ask your IT people.

    • blue elephant says:

      03:10pm | 21/12/09

      “You know the logic - “If the government can ban the Hells Angels or Al Qaeda, what’s to stop them banning the local Rotary Club?” (apart from of course common sense, constitutionally guaranteed elections, and the small fact that the Rotary Club doesn’t sell speed and didn’t claim responsibility for September 11.)”

      Except none of those reasons would prevent the Rotary Club from being made an ‘illegal organisation’. 
      The SA Attorney General can make any group illegal, without having to give any reasons, or to pass the decision through parliament.
      The courts have no jurisdiction and must enforce laws which see any one with a criminal record sent to gaol for up to 6 years just for talking to a member of an illegal group - whether they know they’re a member or not !

      You also appear to be unaware that the RC classification also applies to text, not just piuctures.  This means any BBS in which a person admits to underage sex could be blocked (and if the person was in Australia, could be arrested for producing illegal pornography), permanently and without a right to appeal (without going to court).

    • Paul says:

      04:13pm | 21/12/09

      @hughesy great vacuous comment dude -from someone who has no opinion and has probably not read Conroys report.

    • Old Pete says:

      04:18pm | 21/12/09

      I know I am coming in late on the debate, but it seems to me that almost everyone has missed the point of Pembos article.
      I cant believe the vociferous comment in response to any one who even dares to suggest a modicum of control on the internet. Reminds me of the gun lobbys hysterical reaction to Howards firearm control post Martin Bryant at Port Arthur. “Prise the laptop from my cold dead hands”
      What these people should do is follow the example of their parents (probably grandparents) generation in response to Vietnam and Apartheid. Come out of geekdom, organise a visible protest organisation, march in the streets burning their laptops, standing shoulder to shoulder singing ” all we are saying, is give geeks a chance” and get beaten up by the cops for their trouble.
      Its never going to happen!

    • DWest says:

      06:50pm | 21/12/09

      @Old Pete Umm yep you are right the protest will not happen because most of us will be bypassing the filter. Try reading some of posts and checking the facts, before you get hysterical and think historical precedents. As Penbo should.

    • DWest says:

      07:13pm | 21/12/09

      @Old Pete Umm yep you are right the protest will not happen because most of us will be bypassing the filter. And leaving people like you globally behind in Happy Hillsong Australia. Win - Win! Try reading some of the posts and checking the facts, before you get hysterical and think historical precedents. As Penbo should.

    • harquebus says:

      08:52pm | 21/12/09

      Russia is the only country with a completely free and unregulated internet.

    • Finchy says:

      10:51pm | 21/12/09

      @DWest

      The protest will never happen since most of you will be bypassing the filter? Er, ok. So, if it’s not a problem… why are you bothering to oppose it? Seems a bit silly really.

      But you’re right, that Old Pete was getting pretty hysterical. After all, he did use an exclamation point. The hysterical old fool. But hang on, you’ve used one too. And posted not one, but two comments. Oh dear. We must be in, A PANIC!

    • The other 4% says:

      01:37pm | 02/01/10

      Hey David, this remains a poignant and accurate article, thanks again for the reprint yesterday.

      I saw that the filter opponents, who have busily foretelling the death of Australian society as we know it and the rapid vanishing of all freedoms we once cherished and enjoyed, have once again taken to you with a caning…

      Seems you simply do not yet understand the gravity of the matter, the blatant perfidity of anyone who does not agree with them in the slightest, and thos eblind to the massive outcry of Australian society against the filter when 10 of them actually turned up for a public protest in Sydney recently.

      The huge crowd was spurned on by a stirring speech from Colin Jakobs of EFA fame, an incredible drawcard and lightning rod for that ““96%”” of Australians that this protest march was apparently representing.

      The swelling crowd reflected the “real” numbers we see in online polls once again, as although a smart surfer can register his vote 1000 times on an online poll, he can only appear once at a rally…

      I now see that the armchair warriors are not only good at circumventing the filter, they are now also experts at circumventing any action and activity beyond furiously agreeing with each other on the ISP filter threads of online forums and the determined banging of keyboard keys…

      However, enjoy the spotlight of the *not so eloquent* character assassinations David, while you can. Once the filter is in place all these forums and blogs will disappear, the filter opponents will be rounded up by ASIO and vanish behind some prison walls somewhere to be tortured and forced to divulge where the other 499,990 protesters from their massive Brisbane (7 people) and Sydney (10 people) rallys are all hidden.

      As we crash into the oblivion of the IT stone age, thanks to you and your article (!), they will hide away with the other 96% of Australian so loudly opposed to the filter, in caves under Ayers Rock and circumvent the filter using rocks to bang out messages on the cave walls whilsts surviving on pizza and coke.

      You can deprive them of their internet freedoms David, but you will never, ever take away their pasty faces!!!

    • paul says:

      05:14pm | 02/01/10

      It is disingenuous to suggest that Stephen Conroy could ever be considered a hero for decency and civility by anyone.

      Even the most avid proponent of Internet censorship need only give superficial consideration to the Government’s plan to see this will do nothing to reduce the amount of RC content that is freely available on the Internet.  Stephen Conroy is more aware than most just how ineffective it will be.

      This is not a plan to clean up the net (or even censor the net in any real way.  It is a plan to garner the support of a fringe minority group.  No more, no less.

    • Lawn says:

      01:36am | 03/01/10

      I This filter makes a mockery of all the lives of people who have died in order to protect free speech.

    • LC says:

      02:47pm | 16/02/11

      That’s strange, Dan, because the all of the arguments in support of the filter is based on rhetoric, fear mongering and personal abuse, not on facts, and especially not on an understanding of the technology in question. After all wasn’t Conroy’s and Labor’s key argument in support of the filter “if you don’t agree with it you’re a pedophile”?

    • LC says:

      06:00pm | 16/02/11

      @Steveo:

      “This is about preventing the marketing of filfth, violence and unwanted sexual intrusion into kiddie sites.”
      The really nasty stuff that’s planned to be blocked it primarily transmitted over mediums that cannot be blocked, either under this scheme or in some cases, at all.
      As for the protection of children, that is the responsibility of the parents and does not require the blanket censorship of everyone regardless of wether or not they have children.

      “We have censorship of everything else as David has pointed out. “
      That doesn’t mean censorship is a good thing. Censorship comes at a cost; the limitation of choice in what is considered a free society. In extreme cases, such as child porn and rape footage, the price is worth paying. However, most RC material (which is a really broad range of things) is not worth the price of censorship.

      “This is just another issue for Coalition supporters to beat the ALP with.”
      Was a labor voter at state and federal level for nearly 10 years before this saga began.


      “Well I have nothing to hide but it certainly looks like many do.”
      Then I don’t suppose you’ll mind:
      - Having your webiste history, emails or IMs logged and databased for the police to acsess with or without a warrant (just incase you’re looking at child porn on the net)
      - Any information you send over secure connections man-in-the-middled and details logged by your ISP for the police to look at with or without a warrant (incase you look at child porn over that medium)
      - Any phonecalls you make/recieve recorded and databased so the police can listen to them with or without without a warrant (to make sure you aren’t talking about anything dodgy on the phone)
      - All your letters opened up, photocopied and databased and all the contents of any parcel you send or recieve photographed and databased (to make sure you aren’t sending/reciving any child porn through the postal system)
      - Have surveillance cameras installed in every room of your house (just to make sure you’re not abusing children in your own home)
      - Submit to personal seraches with or without a warrant (incase you have drugs/weapons on you which could fin their way int a child’s hands)
      - And finally, have a GPS chip implanted somewhere in your anatomy (so if you are found doing something dodgy and do a runner, the police can quickly and easily find you).

      No of course you won’t mind, after all you’ve got nothing to hide, right?
      Right?

      @4%
      I can swear my intelligence went down a point or two after reading that drivel. And the turnout at those protests was 150 at the lowest (Qld I think) and nearly 500 at the highest (Sydney). A reasonably good turnout considering it is an internet related issue.

 

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