I finally got around to watching Twilight recently and, as a result, fear for a generation of impressionable, young and deluded women.

Wherever Robert Pattinson, who plays the enigmatic teen vampire Edward in the blockbuster book and movie franchise, goes these days he is swamped by hysterical young girls who appear headed down a rough old romantic road. And now I know why.

You see, Edward is the template of everything I, and so many women like me, tend to go for in a man which, despite the wisdom of age, several broken relationships and all good intentions, remains best described in one word: unattainable.

The lust equation with such men seems to run like this: take handsome, brooding, edgy, dark outsider. Discover he is a blood-sucking dead man whose drive to kill conflicts with his ability to love. Add it all up and the result is obsessive, swooning, all-consuming desire.

OK, so not every man we mortal women fall for actually drain our blood. But hell, a lot can drain our energy or, worse, self-esteem. Yet it is this very factor, the dark inner core of the inaccessible man, which seems to drive us blindly towards them. The less we can have them the more we want them.

In Bella’s case in Twilight, she wants Edward so much she is willing to become the un-dead like him to achieve it. Not an ideal decision but hey, she’s got it easy in a way - let him drink her blood or don’t.

For most women I know attracted to unattainable men, the challenge is so much greater – they actually strive to attract then change their prey.  Now, there’s a short cut to emotional hell, with stops at frustration, misery and hopelessness along the way. In my own experience, a neck puncture and dropping a few kgs in A+ seems the far better option.

Like Miranda in that great episode of Sex and the City where she gets a grasp on the premise of “he’s just not that into you”, part of me wants to scream at young women leaving the cinemas with longing for the tall, dark and downright demonic in their hearts that such types will never make them truly happy, that they will always involve a compromise too great, that Edward types are not romantic role models, just a heart full of trouble.
Yet, I also understand that such desire must be biologically fuelled, a case of nature over nurture and, as such, a rite of passage for otherwise well-adjusted young females. Our fathers, supposedly the romantic ideal for women according to generations of shrinks, generally aren’t detached or non-committal. Our soul mates, the fathers of our own children, are usually identified on a basis of communication, trust and companionship, not the eternal quest to chip at an impenetrable exterior in hope of discovering a soft centre that may not actually exist.

Nope, it appears the allure of the bastard is part of a woman’s hard drive and not the software unfortunately. Just the mystery of the vampire continues to sell tickets, the brooding, unattainable and unavailable guy will continue to topple women’s emotional wickets.

I, for one, hope I have learnt my lesson and now know better. Then again, I just bought the DVD set of the first series of True Blood so there’s a good chance I, too, could well be sucked in again.

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    • Formersnag says:

      07:49am | 06/08/09

      Yes i can agree, you women certainly are deluded.

      In my experience i was never given an opportunity to hurt a woman because they always beat me to it. Many women are so desperately into self loathing, self inflicted abuse and then somehow twisting it round in their own imaginations into being the bastards fault. And all so they can enjoy being miserable and having a good whinge, to anybody, stupid enough to listen.

      Maybe thats why so many of us “bastards” appear to be so distant and unattainable?

      Maybe we are getting tired of these silly mind games?

      Maybe we just want a simple, easy, uncomplicated, happy life without some high maitainance, neurotic fool.

    • iansand says:

      08:48am | 06/08/09

      And your next column will be about how all men are bastards, or there are no decent men around, or something equally inane.  It is not the blokes who are the problem.

    • TC says:

      08:49am | 06/08/09

      Give me Sookie, Bill and the funky True Blood crew over this Twilight pap anytime.

      I’m not sure the current vampirophila really has anything to do with the guy. It seem to me to be more about the attractions of immortality and supernatural powers in a time of spiritual turmoil and deep confusion.

    • Jonathan says:

      09:13am | 06/08/09

      Surefire way to kill a conversation: start talking about Twilight.  Or Harry Potter.  Or your cat.
      Vampires I like.  Just not pop-lit ones.

    • T.C. says:

      09:39am | 06/08/09

      Stephenie Meyer crafted a novel, hell a whole series of them, with the talent of a 13 year old girl lacking writing skills but an overactive imagination and a vague grasp of romance and confusing infatuation with love.

      I went and saw the movie, because women who should know better, given their age, told me how brilliant it was. I almost fell asleep. I forced myself to see it until the end. I of course brought some peoples taste into question and then get told “Oh, the books are so much better!” Really?

      “Edward in the sunlight was shocking. I couldn’t get used to it, though I’d been staring at him all afternoon. His skin, white despite the faint flush from yesterday’s hunting trip, literally sparkled, like thousands of tiny diamonds were embedded in the surface. He lay perfectly still in the grass, his shirt open over his sculpted, incandescent chest, his scintillating arms bare. His glistening, pale lavender lids were shut, though of course he didn’t sleep. A perfect statue, carved in some unknown stone, smooth like marble, glittering like crystal.”

      Apparently that sort of thing is repeated several times in each chapter.

      Stephen King was right about her writing abilities.

    • Jayne says:

      10:02am | 06/08/09

      Hear hear T.C. I don’t get the whole “Twilight and Grown Women” thing (and I’m a grown woman). The writing is shit and the concept derivative of almost everything (which may have worked if it was just the slightest bit post-modern - but it aint). Granted, she may have written it for a teenage audience and I get that, but how did it cross over??

    • Zeta says:

      10:04am | 06/08/09

      I walked into my favourite bookstore last week and discovered they’d reserved a whole shelf for ‘supernatural romance’. I was initially intrigued, and thought someone had devoted a genre to the relationship between Adam Walters and former NSW Health Minister Reba Meagher. When I picked up one of these ‘novels’ and found heaving, PG rated erotiscism with fangs I was disappointed. I went straight home and re-read Poppy Z. Brite’s ‘Lost Souls’ to cleanse my brain of that pap.

    • Laddie1984 says:

      10:18am | 06/08/09

      I think you have missed the point of the movie. I watched it three times to try and understand the direction etc.

      Regardless, women still believe they have a soul mate out there, one which they would do anything for. My parents have been blissfully married for 30 years, they are more in love today than they were when they married. I had a wonderful childhood filled with love, not everyone is so lucky. Maybe they are one of the few couples that “Got it right”, but needless to say they do things for one another, they have lives separate from one another, and together. There is absolute trust and honesty. Sure they have a barney every now and again, but its healthy.

      Women still believe that there are galent men out there that will do all the things that make them feel loved and special. Have you ever noticed though how in the movies and Mills and Boons books though, with all the great love stories, that their lives arent filled with SMS’s and emails. Maybe technology is somewhat to blame for the lack of real love going on?

      Real love is worth risking everything for, whether you believe in it or not.

    • Emma says:

      10:24am | 06/08/09

      My partner knew that playing the nice guy only resulted in friends. So he played the distant, emotionally unattainable douche bag for a couple of months which sucked me in… though unlike my other relationships, he turned out to be the best example of a man 100% committed to a relationship that I could think of… he is very proud of his acting skills lol

    • Alex says:

      10:36am | 06/08/09

      Twilight is not a romance. The author seems to think it is, but the author is not very good. She has actually managed to write a deeply disturbing story of a young woman allowing herself to be completely dominated and abused by a power-crazed weirdo. Girls shouldn’t be reading this.

    • ella fitzgerald says:

      10:40am | 06/08/09

      as far as i can tell, girls and women around the world have fallen for edward cullen cos he won’t put out.  apparently this makes him a gentleman.  i don’t get it.

    • David C says:

      10:44am | 06/08/09

      I dont think it really matters to women in the end anyway, they will still beat the man down,nag and pester him until his the man they really want. Which is even stranger because they will still complain about him over a chardy.

    • Davo says:

      10:54am | 06/08/09

      When it comes to relationships, let’s face it - most women are stupid. They need to be told what to like. Otherwise they make idiotic decisons, go out with tools, then complain all men are useless.

    • lex says:

      11:05am | 06/08/09

      As a woman who’s gone through the troublesome teenage years, I was quite disturbed when reading the Twilight series.  I was bad enough with various obsessions with boys during my teens, but these books take it to a whole new level and almost ENCOURAGE that sort of behaviour and makes it acceptable to the girls reading these books.

      I’m pretty liberal minded, open minded, and all that.. but based on all the stuff going through my head during those years I read these books and just thought sheeeeze, I’m glad I didn’t read THIS when I was going through high school!!!

    • JayJay says:

      11:24am | 06/08/09

      Maybe the need to go for looks is the problem

    • CH says:

      11:34am | 06/08/09

      I saw Twilight with my husband’s 14-year-old daughter and - thank god! - she had the sense to roll her eyes at the conclusion of the film and admit how laughable it was. She had already read the book and admitted she wanted to strangle Bella for being continually stupid and overwrought.

      Afterwards we looked at posters of Edward Cullen and shrugged. Neither of us could understand the fuss.

      Seems she has more sense than most women. Good for her!

    • vian says:

      11:37am | 06/08/09

      Never been attracted to walking syringes, myself.  I mean, when you take away the obvious attraction of a cold, emotionally distant, overbearing, unattainable abuser, what you’re essentially left with is a walking, talking hypodermic.  Has none of these teenagers ever had a blood test?

    • Bruno says:

      11:42am | 06/08/09

      Maybe you need a course on discipline and self control.

    • Richy says:

      11:42am | 06/08/09

      Women generally don’t want nice guys as nice guys are boring because we treat them with respect. They prefer the guys who project the bad boy image because it excites them, then they wonder why the guy treats them badly. Doh!

    • T.C. says:

      11:47am | 06/08/09

      @Zeta, yes I saw a whole shelf (and by that I assume you also mean from floor to ceiling) dedicated to “paranormal romance”. I think they misspelled “abnormal”.

      @Alex, the stalker angle to it concerns me too.

      @Ella, they call that “sexual tension”. Apparently.

    • Alicia says:

      11:53am | 06/08/09

      I’ve read Twilight and sometimes I’m not sure why I did because the writing is absolutely atrocious. I’ve seen the movie as well because I was intrigued and the direction in that wasn’t much better. I’m not sure why all these girls and woman love Robert Pattinson. I actually find him to be very UNattractive.

    • Rach says:

      11:54am | 06/08/09

      I read through all of these comments and find a buch of people who stereo type and sound like they have little joy in their life. The story is light and not meant to be taken seriously, I have been married for 10 years and yes I think Edward is portray as the ‘Perfect Man’ but I am not so stupid as to think they really exist and you really should give the youth of today more credit - they are not stuoid!

    • philip says:

      12:00pm | 06/08/09

      you want vampires read brian lumleys necroscope series, I refuse to read anything less.

    • Shinsengumi says:

      12:00pm | 06/08/09

      It’s a tragic thing, this irrational trait of westernised women.  Being tall, dark, handsome myself (twin is a model), and very intelligent; upon a time, once, I used to be the gentleman.  Kind, considerate, caring, funny… well, that failed, didn’t it wink  The amount of times I was told “I don’t want to ruin the friendship <etc>” when asking straight out “well, what is it?  You want to be my girlfriend or not?” was kinda soul destroying.  Then watching them get their hearts ripped out by bastards was, even worse.

      Luckily, I found personal peace & satisfaction outside of relationships, and since that time I have teased and pushed innumerable women away.  They’re still nice to hang out with, sure, but I realise, like a growing number of intelligent men, they will never love me for who I really am.  I hear the cries to the alternative already winding up - however, it is truth you girls yourselves admit it in your rare moments of lucidity.  I need to be a bastard; I need to constantly be someone I’m not.  As Emma pointed out, a “distant, emotionally unattainable douche bag”.  It works.  It works like you would not believe!  I’ve got stalkers!  STALKERS!  Girls who sms me pictures of themselves in their underwear, naked, suggestively posing, throwing themselves at me in degrading frenzied desperation; this being months, sometimes even years after I’ve kindly but firmly pushed them away.  It’s horrible, it’s really, genuinely tragic.  These girls have no hope.  They will never, ever find True Love.  Ever.  And it’s by their own choice!

      However, not all girls are like this.  I’ve been with my Slovakian girl for a while now, she’s amazing.  She coolly demands gentlemanly traits from me; brings out the best of who I am, keeps me on my toes; loves me for who I really am.  She’s incredibly mature, her own person, absurdly intelligent, well educated, independent - yet not feminist psycho independent.  Not clingy or demanding; perfect style & grace in the way only Euro girls have the sophistication to be.  A girl I will marry, and the quality of woman I wish for the mother of my children.

      I strongly recommend to any cultured, intelligent Aussie male looking for a high quality girl, you look overseas.  The different in class and dignity over homegrown will astonish you.

    • G says:

      12:21pm | 06/08/09

      Twilight is just trashy romantic fiction - lump it in with Mills and Boone etc.  As for women going for the wrong guy that’s just a small percentage, or a faze some go through.  When you’re young relationships are all about the drama - some get too caught up in that.  Others like myself are much more comfortable with their choices and have better outcomes.  As for the guys complaining about these women - obviously you’re part of the problem in that you don’t know how to pick correctly either or are relying on meeting women in the worst places/conditions.  Hardly the fault of the female species take some responsibility and stop the hate.  And Wendy do you really believe in what you’ve written more the point are you really trying to say you haven’t learnt any better?  You don’t look young enough to be that immature perhaps it’s more about appealing to the demographic your magazines represent.

    • Mr Pastry says:

      12:24pm | 06/08/09

      Wendy, basing relationships on how the person stacks up against Hollywood characters would seem a little naive.  But it seems to be the modern way and for Robert Pattinson similarlikes, I bet they have a great time at the expense of easily manipulated Hollywoood loving ladies.

    • Mandy says:

      12:25pm | 06/08/09

      1) Women are attracted to Edward because he’s one of the RARE male examples that doesn’t pressure them for sex

      2) It’s still crazy stuff because Edward STALKS Bella, to the point that he creeps into her room at night and watches her sleep.  And this is supposed to be romantic???!!!  STALKING IS NOT ROMANTIC!

    • Lisa says:

      12:44pm | 06/08/09

      I can see both sides of the coin, but I think sometimes we fail to give out young people credit in their understanding of what’s real and fantasy.
      Sometimes I feel ashamed to admit that I read the Twilight series and loved them. Sure, the writing isn’t the best and is at times down-right cheesy in its detailed descriptions - but the ideas had me sucked in, for sure. I, in fact, wish I had the opportunity to read these books when I was in high school - because what I got out of it was that a largely average looking, shy girl with confidence issues who hates drawing attention to herself, can get the guy. It was also nice that the guy, the most good-looking in school that had girl’s hearts yearning, was actually a good ‘‘person’‘, with a conscience. None of the ‘‘hot’’ guys in my school year gave a stuff if they hurt girls - their egos were always far more important.
      As for Bella’s dedication and devotion to the ‘‘man’’ she loves, sure, it’s pretty out of this world, but putting all the vampire stuff aside, what’s wrong with wanting to give yourself to someone totally? Whatever happened to the saying ‘love like you’ve never been hurt’? I think a lot of people are just jealous that they don’t have such devoted partners on both sides. Bella puts her life at risk everyday to be with Edward, but he is also experiencing an incredible struggle against what he is and his natural instincts as a consequence, to keep her safe. Although, I have to admit, he does turn into a bit of an over-protective lunatic in Eclipse. But Bella stands up to him, proving she is not willing to give up the relationships that are important to her because they make him angry/jealous.
      I do agree that some people have taken the whole thing too far. It’s extremely over-the-top how girls and women around the world are now stalking Robert Pattinson. I really feel bad for him and it’s probably only going to get worse with three more movies to come.

    • Doug says:

      12:56pm | 06/08/09

      Read Neville Shutes “Lonely Road” , “A Town like Alice”  or “Trustee from the Toolroom” and then you know what love and romance should be like.

      Or perhaps “For Whom the Bell Tolls” by Hemmingway

      but have a care ladies Bad boys were often Good Men once and it is sometimes your attitude that makes them this way. The world does not need Bad boys, It needs MEN to be Fathers and Husbands.

      perhaps Joe Jackson had it right? “Real Men”

    • Billy Pilgrim says:

      12:58pm | 06/08/09

      The attraction of the unattainable…if you can bag yourself one then you must really be something special. I think that’s the logic behind it.
      I briefly went through that phase before realising, even if you snare the bastard in the end, he’s still a bastard, and why would you want that?

      Twilight seems like absolute rubbish, Anne Rice writing for Mills & Boon

    • Hopium says:

      12:57pm | 06/08/09

      My mother likes Twilight. So does my sister.

      I really don’t. I read the books. The writing was tripe. I find it deeply disturbing. Blokes like that make me cranky. Girls like that make me even more cranky. Truly, the characters are mentally disturbed. It ‘s a godawful trash mag masquerading as ‘literature’.

      I love my dependable nice guy. I think I’ll stick to Terry Pratchett for my fantasy fix.

    • Billy Pilgrim says:

      12:59pm | 06/08/09

      @Lisa: ‘Whats wrong with wanting to give yourself to someone totally?’
      Because if/when it ends, you’ll have nothing left, that’s what

    • Steve says:

      01:00pm | 06/08/09

      The movie looked like it had a budget of about $5.
      Massive piece of garbage.

    • SJwashere says:

      01:03pm | 06/08/09

      You gotta love the stereotypes being thrown around here. Not all women are vapid morons relying on some twisted, manipulative notion of love to save them. A real representation of young women in the media is yet to be seen.

      Twilight is a feminist’s nightmare. Bella is a domestic violence victim in training. Sure not every movie, book, TV show is supposed to reflect idealistic versions of young women but it would be nice to find at least one example of a strong young woman that is not conveyed as a b*tch.

      At least you get more variety in the type of female characters offerred by older actresses but the younger ones are reduced to two character types:

      - The romantic who yerns for the bad boy and gets swept away by it all AND
      - The tough chick who eventually has to show her weakness for romance in order for the audience not to put her into the cold hearted b*tch character.

    • Lauren says:

      01:10pm | 06/08/09

      Yes, the writing is amateur (but sometimes all you want is an easy read).
      Yes, Bella is a obsessed psycho.
      Yes, Edward is a stalker (probably something to do with being a 100 year old virigin)
      BUT
      I loved the books.
      Every girl deep down wants someTHING (not necessarily someone) to make her feel mesmerised and that’s what this book conveys.
      I admit that it’s not worth the popularity it has and Robert Pattison is very unattractive but when you just take it for what it is you have an easy enjoyable read.

    • Faye says:

      01:13pm | 06/08/09

      I can see how Bella is annoying.
      But to have a guy throw himself at you and being part of something larger in the story is something many girls like me wouldn’t mind being a part of.
      That being said, maybe not.
      Its not about the ‘bad boy’. They’re nice to look at from afar and have a laugh over, but never a relationship.
      I prefer the good boys with a twinkle of naughtiness only he shows to me - but funnily enough, the so called ‘good boys’ who looks for girls always look for the unattainable girls he can’t get - very made up, in crowd, loud, extrremely sexy - while the nice, decent girls like myself are left for the ex-bad boys who want to settle down with some ‘virgin’, inexperienced good girls.
      No effin’ way.
      I want a good boy, not damaged goods.
      But the good boys are swept up with the whole societal expectation for a guy to have 20 girls hanging off his arm or the super sexy smothering hot girlfriend.
      Goes both ways.

    • Michael says:

      01:15pm | 06/08/09

      Women are ridiculously shallow. What more explanation do you need?

    • Erin says:

      01:25pm | 06/08/09

      I went for the dark, broody, distant and bloody smoking-hot spunk. Much to my surprise, he was not only responsive to my advances but seemed amazed that I was interested in him. Dark and scaryness was on the surface, but underneath lay a sweet natured, insecure man who desperately wanted someone to support and encourge in their endeavours as they would support him in his own. His darkness was a surface layer of armour that had built up as a result of the hurt of previous relationships caused by the ‘twisty women’ of FORMERSNAG’s post above. When I read Twilight I felt immensely grateful that I had found my now-husband when I had. We play to each others strengths and weaknesses in a way that I thought honestly that I would never find. The movie portrayal of Bella left me feeling flat - A true partnership is one where there is not just one person needing the other, or one person saving the other, but where the pair SAVE EACH OTHER. Such two dimensional portrayals ARE dangerous - but I am afraid that young people - male as well as female - are going to have to learn that by experience. In the meantime, let the Twilight juggernaught run it’s course. Titanic did, it will too.

    • Sarah says:

      01:33pm | 06/08/09

      Hmm if all these silly girls understood where the Vampire myth cam from, they might not be so keen to have one around. I’m not sure of the century but its from the dark ages (whenever that was). When there were plagues that went through villages a lot of times there would be mass graves, the people would be wrapped in cloth and then all buried together. These graves were often used more than once. When they re-dug the grave to add more of the deceased the bodies already in there had swollen up due to the decomposing process. Some of the blood and muck would come out the mouth and stain the cloth. The people in these times came to the conclusion that these dead people were actually coming to life and eating people’s blood (How else do you explain a bloated stomach and blood around the moth). Oh and I know the theory is to shove a stake through their heart but what they used to do was to jam a brick in the bodies mouth. So all you silly girls out there that want a dark and mysterious vampire stranger go to a cemetery and dig up the grave of someone you don’t know.

      Who was it that said “the only perfect man is a dead man”?

      Is Stephenie Meyer the new Dan Brown? Lots of hype but no substance.

    • Nat says:

      01:52pm | 06/08/09

      Genuinely nice guys don’t need to tell everyone how nice they are, it is obvious. They will have good and bad times like all of us but ultimately they will have the best chance at having happy and fulfilled relationships.  My father and 2 brothers are all genuinely nice guys and are loved and respected by all their family, children and friends.

      It is only the creeps trying to use the “nice guy’s image” to sleaze onto girls you will hear whinging about yeah but “girls don’t want to date nice guys.”  Utter garbage. 
      Girls don’t want to date manipulative whiney sneaks.

    • vian says:

      01:54pm | 06/08/09

      Michael and Davo, you fine and brooding specimens of manhood, hear my altogether inadequate and intellectually inferior pleas, for I am but a weak and feeble woman and need a man to tell me how silly I am the whole damn time!  I’m irresistibly drawn to you, for truly you both are the Edward to my Bella.  Come away with me and have my children, you adorable overbearing and faintly abusive but possibly sparkly types.

    • Pretty in Pink says:

      01:57pm | 06/08/09

      1. Necks are erotic, vampires suck on necks. Necks are very intimate parts of our bodies and vampires are the only supernatural/fantastical creation that is so intimate with us that’s why we love them.

      2. There is an innate sense of masculinity in “meanness” or more correctly, perception. “Mean” is associated for some reason with strength and “nice” with weak/insipid. Hence attraction to mean men as well as the unattainable factor that other writers have mentioned.

      3. I have not seen or read “Twilight” but the concept “meanness” to me as a woman seems erotic to me in a fantasy way. However, in reality to accept this behaviour from a man as a woman indicates to me that she has a self-esteem problem. I don’t like bastards in reality.

      4. For the men who are good and find girls that treat them bad, get rid of them. I don’t think they love you. A person who loves you treats you with respect. There are a lot of girls out there who are so up themselves and are in princess la-la land that they really don’t deserve you. Go find her.

      5. As a woman, I do treat guys “mean”. They love it, it works well on both sexes. Being an aloof unbeddable woman drives men nuts. Been there, done that. However, to every man that I have done this to, I don’t love them; to me they are toys. I treat those I love with respect and warmth.

      6. I think “Twilight” will be in the same pile as “Da Vinci Code” for me: NEVER TO BE READ. For the literati out there, I highly recommend ‘Dracula” (Bram Stoker) and as for films, “Interview With A Vampire” or “The Lost Boys” for a lighthearted film.

    • Donna says:

      03:07pm | 06/08/09

      I would also suggest reading Laurell K Hamilton’s series of Anita Blake - Vampire Hunter starting with Guilty Pleasures - a more adult version of Twilight but much better written with a truly gripping storyline. I found I was fast addicted to this series of books, romantic but erotic and Anita stays strong to herself despite the many temptations. Interesting reading.

    • Spaniard says:

      03:21pm | 06/08/09

      The problem I believe is that women are too much into the image and the look of the guy, I am 42 divorced, but not movie star material but woman do not give me a chance, as they are after the image, I am a one woman man, never cheated in my wife in a 20 year relationship and was and still am there for my kids..

      If you go for the good looks, then be ready for your man to always be chased by women, I am 6f1 and less than 100kgs but still not good enough, I am told I am just too nice, go and figure….

    • Anderson says:

      03:26pm | 06/08/09

      It’s all pretty simple really.  Some women (and girls) look at men as objects, not people.  More specifically, the assumption that a man is to be changed and trained to suit the woman’s wants and needs.  So, they pick a pretty one because looks can’t be changed but they think behaviour can. 

      But, of course, men are actually people with their own wants and needs.  Society and the media may have forgotten that men are human beings, but the men out there surely haven’t.

      This means that the woman will be stuck with the man she chose.  He will stay as-is, their nature will not be changed (just like the woman’s won’t).  And if they chose the pretty-looking one for his looks or chose a bad-boy for the sense of danger and excitement…if they don’t like it then that’s their mistake to live with.

    • Jason says:

      03:34pm | 06/08/09

      The pairing of males to females follows a formula, believe it or not, and this formula is very much related to our parents attitude and behaviour towards their kids. This creates the “type” who likes the Bad boys. And all the types of people who choose “bad boys” again and again,, all have the same psychological background.
      The people who see these bad boys for what most are, also have a similar “type” and psychological makup, its these who just dont get involved with these bad people, they share a common psychological makeup..

      The more one looks into pairings of people, the more you see them as fitting pieces of a jigsaw puzzle. These pairings exist because the needs of each to become a individual human being, and their partner the best person to cultivate ones individuallity.

      The attraction of badboys isnt hardwired, its cultivated or programmed into us, through environment, and particular family structures.  Thus we can, through more experience, be reprogrammed to steer clear of badboys, or to accept the consequences that comes with dealing this lot.
      To me couples are exact fits to fix each others phychological errors gained in life, no matter how many partners we have.

    • Stone Rhino says:

      03:37pm | 06/08/09

      Girls don’t date nice guy’s because they must be a bastard incognito, however they will date a bastard because he is hiding his niceness for that special girl who must obviously be you because “who would like a bastard”.

      Female logic = if you can see it, it must not exist, but if you can’t see it, it must exist.

    • Bored says:

      03:39pm | 06/08/09

      Its because hes hott and gorgeous and every girl wants him and he only has eyes for the average girl bella - so we can all relate and wish it was us!
      “Your skin is Ice cold and Pale - I know what you are!”
      “SAY IT out loud I WANT YOU TO SAY IT!”
      “Fish your a fish and Im not scared ofyou!”

    • Dorian says:

      03:52pm | 06/08/09

      To Emma @ 10.24. So, you’re HAPPY that your boyfriend LIED to you to get you in the sack by pretending to be someone he wasn’t?.....For Months? You go girl!!! Your previous Boyfriends must have been WoW playing geeks that showed you little to no interest for you to cling to any mistreatment that your current boyfriend and pass it off as love.

      And Sarah, Thank you for the history lesson (No, that’s not sarcastic) Though I think you’ll find the theory of the stake is actually correct….but they didn’t use it to kill the vampire (A la Buffy/Blade/Count Duckula) Instead, they’d pin the (alleged) vampire to the coffin before it could wake up.

    • Larissa says:

      03:56pm | 06/08/09

      The four Twilight books have consistently topped the Dymocks best seller list each week for more than a year, the series has sold in excess of 56 million copies worldwide and the first movie took US$420 million. No matter how questionable the writing may be, I’d say Stephenie Meyer has tapped into EXACTLY what women want.

    • RT says:

      04:01pm | 06/08/09

      Quite a few misogynistic comments here. Anyone who buys into gender wars is unlikely to successfully negotiate a close hetero relationship, I believe. Stop thinking of the opposite gender as an enemy and look within yourself for the reason for relationship failure is my advice.

    • Zeta says:

      04:28pm | 06/08/09

      I just downloaded a .pdf of Twilight, because I’ll be damned if I’m paying for it. I only managed the blurb and a quick flick through… But this supposed vampire… He doesn’t have fangs. It’s a romance story, about a vampire, who doesn’t have fangs. That is gripping post modernism. Like writing a romance novel about a man without a penis.

      I can’t be bothered reading about how he actually sucks blood. Is a straw involved?

    • Roland says:

      04:30pm | 06/08/09

      nice guy’s finish last… Period.

    • Stone Rhino says:

      04:32pm | 06/08/09

      @RT you are quite correct about the misogynistic comments, however things are only attained and retained,  as you put it, by negotiation. If there is a negotiation, a conflict must exist, a “war” as you put it. You may not buy into a gender war however it defiantly exists, and as long as attraction and rejection remain as discriminatory to the individual as nature is cruel, choosing to close your eyes does not make it magically enact a cease fire, you just shoot blind.

    • brad says:

      04:39pm | 06/08/09

      Oh come on guys. It’s like taming a wild horse. Girls love to find that reckless, risk taking cute boy and bring him down to Earth. It’s part of the “Natural Order” as that other blogger from Poland wrote about.
      Anyway women are attracted to it because risk takers progress human civilisation. Look at all the great hero movies, risk taking, adventurous men, who win the women all the time. Producers and Directors know about it.
      Except in downtown Frankston it’s hard to find an Indiana Jones, so Gavin from Queen Street is the next best thing.

    • Heidi says:

      04:53pm | 06/08/09

      Bella is a whiny annoying sook, and Edward is a completely overrated crazy stalker. Not a healthy relationship at all. Give me a nice, smart, funny, caring guy over an emotionally unavailable dickhead any day!

    • karen says:

      05:33pm | 06/08/09

      I thought Bella was the most self flagelating, pain in the butt. It was the suspense that kept me turning the pages - took them 3 and 1/2 huge books to finally DO IT and then I barely skimmed the last half a book. It was all about suspense for me. But I loved it, couldn’t put it down.

    • bloke says:

      06:03pm | 06/08/09

      most women suffer low self esteem. when guys ‘validate’ them with compliments (usually false) to get into their pants, get favours etc.. they fall for it then beat themselves up after the guy has got whatever it is that he wanted from them. if a female has very high self confidence (which, incidentally will keep most loser, ba$tards players and vampires away) they wont go near her.

    • Jeff Johnson says:

      06:13pm | 06/08/09

      I love this one. Women shack up with morons and delinquints, go through relationship after relationship, and then hit 30 realise they are single again and the old body is nearly too old to spit out a kid or two and then they lament the fact that all the good men are taken. They say women mature more quickly than men. LOL LOL LOL LOL.

    • dean says:

      06:19pm | 06/08/09

      Hey Spaniard at 3:21pm - man up. Keep the “I’m a good person” routine for the mirror. Take control of your life and completely ignore all women until they hunger for your attention.

    • Michelle says:

      07:05pm | 06/08/09

      hahaha look how this fantasy vampire book has got all you men talking!

      Men have adult magazines and it is deemed ‘normal’ ...Women fall in love with a character out of book and men feel threatened?!

    • Janelle Batt says:

      07:11pm | 06/08/09

      I wonder how lesbians feel about the idea that all women go for the unattainable bastard? Or women who live within other cultures and are involved in arranged marriages? Many people, both men and women, haven’t been taught about values and integrity, honesty and compassion, considering other people and the repercussions of their actions - they are actually people who have, so far, missed out on some of the most important aspects to being a human. Standards set for people in the western world, through the media and other avenues, distort people’s perspectives and priorities, and contribute to competition and general dis-satisfaction. It’s not woman against man, it’s people comparing themselves to everyone else, and wanting more, so will do almost anything to get what they want - including treading on and hurting people.

    • Naomi says:

      07:42pm | 06/08/09

      I think you are all missing the point of the books and the movie. It is entertainment nothing more nothing less. Its not deep and thought provoking, its not meant to be. Not everything has to have a meaning. People need to relax and stop trying to be so much more intelligent than they are.

    • Formersnag says:

      07:46pm | 06/08/09

      Poor michelle @ 7:05pm, you still don’t get it.

      We are not threatened. We find that you women, have gone to great lengths to make yourselves as unattractive as possible, and its working.

      Any self respecting bloke who met the “fab 4”, “sex and the city” girls, out and about on the town, would find the physical bodies, worth a “one night stand”, but marry, one of those selfish, fashion obsessed, fools, NO WAY!

    • Tinman says:

      08:30pm | 06/08/09

      Perhaps the fundamental issue that this topic raises is the fact that people so often seem to choose partners as a sort of fashion accessory that makes them look good by association. Hence, guys only want to date the “hot” girls, and girls are only interested in the “bad” boys, in order to enhance their own social standing. Issues like compatibility, affection, commitment, etc. are entirely peripheral issues to most of these relationship, which is a reason why so many of them fail. The truth is that the only ones that any of these people love is themselves. The relationships exist purely as an ego stroking exercise designed to elicit jealousy (which is in itself a perverse kind of validation) from their peers .

    • regina says:

      09:47pm | 06/08/09

      well, here i was thinking that twilight was just another cliched teen chick flick featuring a nasty but devilishly handsome boy and an average love-struck girl.

      now i hear that edward is a ‘template’ for the universally unattainable man!

      er .. over-analyse much?

    • adorablevarun@gmail.com says:

      10:04pm | 06/08/09

      girls can be bracketized
      [15-25yrs]-wrong guys, will not think that how they are screwing their own lives
      [25-30yrs]-starts searching for a nice guy
      [30+years]-need a nice guy who can share the consequences of their mistakes from the past or in short a cow guy

    • theunwiseone says:

      10:44pm | 06/08/09

      @Tinman “relationships exist purely as an ego stroking exercise designed to elicit jealousy (which is in itself a perverse kind of validation) from their peers.”

      Just like generally any child (often not teenager) to their parent(s) or other idols (gods)!

      The ego is totally selfish and motivation is not generally but totally driven by self inferiority. Rejection promotes inferiority within the target and acceptance promotes superiority of the target.

      Total selfishness is normal, the only thing that is evolution is the increased frequency of communication, and its magnitude and increased self movement and its magnitude.

      And I generally under-analyse issues!

    • Sam says:

      01:37am | 07/08/09

      Well I am getting married in November after being with my partner for 7 years. The standard advice I give to any girl is have fun with the bad boys but settle down with the good ones. (I could say it a lot cruder) Sure when you are in your early 20’s the exciting brooding bay boy is a hoot, but by mid twenties you want someone who is dependable and has a life plan, and hey at least you will have some fun memories.

    • steve says:

      06:41am | 07/08/09

      ‘brooding bad boys’ hahaha!

      you women crack me up, what you mean by this is ‘immature men without the ability to communicate’. You peice the rest togather in your minds.

    • AJ says:

      08:16am | 07/08/09

      After you become addicted to True Blood, make sure you read the books! their story is actually completely different to the TV series just with the same characters, and they’re 100x better than Twilight (the books for which i did like too, incidentally)

    • Orion Pax says:

      08:56am | 07/08/09

      It’s because you’re morons.
      Give you a nice down to earth guy with a good income (even 6 figures) who will look after you and stay by you and treat you well and you run in the opposite direction for some complete loser with no hope in life.
      Then when your biological clock starts ticking you go back whining about why the nice guy has left you for an Xbox or the cricket because you have nothing to offer him.
      Wake up to yourselves before it is too late.

    • MM says:

      09:10am | 07/08/09

      Oh dear… this is dreadful.  There seems to be a mysterious undiscoverable perfect man floating about out there… but all you seem to be able to find is idiots… ever heard the saying about ‘birds of a feather’?

    • Fed up "mere male" says:

      11:05am | 07/08/09

      Formersnag is right on the money.

      Have you ever bothered to look at yourselves? Perhaps the man is “unattainable” because he’s had a good look at you and thinks you’re a basket case. In his eye perhaps you are “unwanted”.

      You seem to want people to think that this is all one way traffic and that men are to blame for everything. I can tell you from experience that nothing is further from the truth.

      Perhaps you need to learn about getting back to basics and learning that if you want to get that “unattainable” man that you will need to lower your expectations and learn about compromise. We do - so why should it not be the same for you?

      He/She who wants everything - gets nothing.

      In a simple equation. Simple + Uncomplicated = Happy Life.

    • eh says:

      02:52pm | 07/08/09

      Right - because it is in a fantasy novel it must be true in real life.

      Just like The Lord of the Rings eh?

    • Gillian says:

      10:44pm | 16/08/09

      I wrote about this topic on my blog quite recently - http://30isthenewblack.com/2009/07/26/ghosts-of-boyfriends-past/ As I said in the intro, women want to be with nice guys but men need to redefine what they think a ‘nice guy’ is. I want a guy whose life doesn’t revolve around me and who has interests and hobbies outside of the relationship and makes time to see his friends. This makes me miss him, makes me want to see him and it creates mystery and intrigue. Instead, men who think they are ‘nice’ guys come across as desperate, needy and doormats. No woman wants to be with a guy that you know you could treat badly and he would still coming running or you could called late on a Saturday night and he would drop all his plans to come and see you. We want a man with self respect who knows how to set boundaries.

      I don’t want to be treated badly at all. For the man who said that if you want a quality man, look overseas. I could say the same for all the gameplayers in Sydney. If a man starts playing games with me, I cut him off. It’s as simple as that. I don’t encourage nor am I attracted to that behaviour. Yet, I seem to meet men who think that this whole too cool for school attitude will work and maybe it will for a girl who is insecure and has a low self esteem but if you want to attract a woman who is confident, secure and intelligent, you need to change the game plan or simply just drop the games altogether.

    • Burned man. says:

      10:16pm | 19/08/09

      after YEARS! of looking for love and having trouble even getting a conversation, I’ve come to the conclusion that some things just arent worth the effort. I’m a nice guy, polite, considerate, knows how to party without being needy, pathetic or too forward (a normal person with a job, without any mental problems…. yeah odd I know) but after years of getting shot down, stabbed in the back, stood up, used, cheated on, and basically paying for so many weekends on the town (then finding out there is actually a bf she didn’t talk about), one can basically just well…... give up. I’m not ugly, over weight, skinny, but those that are that have partners usually have money….. hmmmmm. Funny how being nice, sane, normal, doesn’t amount to crap unless you’r padded in the wallet. The amount of girls I’ve talked to who have douche bag BF’s who they won’t leave because they are paying for their existance is quite high. The last girl I went out with told me her idea of equal rights was and I quote….. ‘isn’t that where guys pay for everything and they can’t do anything about it?’ Later that night I walked back from the bar with the drinks finding her smooching someone else. She stopped long enough to notice I came back with the drinks and to try and grab one from my hands. I drank one, didn’t give her hers, poured it on the floor, told her to ‘get a job and buy your own’ and left. The very FIRST time I stood anyone up (or was nasty in any form for the record) and I’m a bastard for it? wtf? atleast I told her to her face not to expect a ride home. The BF wasn’t pleased once he found out (not my doing but I laughed when I found out, definately not my normal behaviour) Normally I’d make my excuse and be out of there. If I was homosexual life would be sooooo much easier.

      Since I’ve actually come into money (self employed and financialy secure) I’ve noticed the amount of attention I’ve received from girls SKY ROCKET, evan from those who shot me down before….... funny corelation that. ‘How come you said no before and your asking me out now? its not the money now is it?’ its actually funny watching them trip over themselves trying to stammer out something that sounds like a good answer when they’ll just sound like gold digging leaches no matter what. Take a good honest look at yourselves before asking ‘whats wrong with guys?’ good thing I’m not a mysoginist, I should be by now.

      ‘Romance is dead…... women killed it’
      Dave Chapelle

 

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