High school students in NSW may not know how they are judged by prospective universities and the admissions system needs a review – according to the man who designed it.

'Now turn to page 342 of the how-to-get-into-uni manual'

The scheme’s founder is calling for an inquiry into the university admissions system arguing recent changes have led to the loss of transparency for students and parents.

In an interview with The Punch, Professor George Cooney listed a series of changes by universities to the admissions process that he believes are undermining openness in the admissions system.

Problems highlighted included the allocation of bonus points by some universities to students who had been school captain or had been given awards.

Prof Cooney said recent changes by universities meant students were essentially entering “into a race (where) you can run as fast as you like but you don’t know how you’re being judged.”

Prof Cooney had a central role in the creation of the current system, centred on the University Admissions Index and recently renamed the Australian Tertiary Admission Rank.

His call for an independent review comes after the Vice Chancellor of Sydney University, Michael Spence, criticised the UAI as blunt instrument with a bias toward wealthier schools.

Prof Cooney said an inquiry was needed to look at how newer admissions processes were interacting with the ranking system and whether they were fair and transparent for students.

He listed several practices that needed examination by an independent committee, such as the use by universities of bonus marks and school principals’ recommendations.

Professor Cooney singled out bonus marks as an area of particular concern. “To be perfectly frank I think a lot of these require closer scrutiny,” he said.

Some universities have in recent years begun providing bonus marks for students who have been made School Captain or attained their Gold Duke of Edinburgh Award.

There is also a growing requirement for students to submit personal statements or allowing the submission of letters of recommendation from principals.

Professor Cooney said the increased use of these practices meant it was harder, not easier, to “determine one student from another”.

He also criticised so called “flexible entry” programs, which allow large numbers of students into courses with rankings below the publicised cutoff.

Last year UNSW confirmed it was allowing half the students in its Commerce degree to be admitted with UAIs up to 5 points below the published entry point.

The practice is now widespread among the universities with prestigious institutions such as ANU, UNSW and the University of Sydney admitting students below the threshold.

Prof Cooney is worried students will not include in their ATAR preferences a course which under “flexible entry” may allow them to gain a place.

An independent review would help restore the faith of parents and students in the system, Prof Cooney said.

He believes these issues need an airing and says “there are very able people who could run (such) a review”.

Prof Cooney currently works at the University Admissions Centre but his comments to The Punch represent his own personal views.

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    • Christine says:

      12:39pm | 18/09/09

      As a Sydney Notre Dame student I don’t think I can fault their admission process, it’s lead to different mix of students based upon their personality and commitment to their degree. Every student gets an interview and many HSC graduates are offered positions even before they have sat their exams or received their UAI.

    • Gustavo Gutiérrez says:

      12:54pm | 18/09/09

      @Christine what else do they take into account at Notre Dame? Being Catholic and being willing to pay up-front fees. Sounds like a great system.

    • Eric says:

      01:02pm | 18/09/09

      The majority of university admissions are female.

      When will someone focus on this issue of discrimination? Or does it only matter when males are ahead?

    • Christine says:

      01:11pm | 18/09/09

      @Gustavo Most ND students are HECS students in my discipline (nursing) the only ones that aren’t are the few who don’t qualify due to citizenship etc. Sure it’s catholic but there is a wide mix from all nationalities and religions.

      They consider the person - not the UAI number.

    • Helen says:

      01:13pm | 18/09/09

      @Gustavo Gutiérrez, why the hate?
      The Punch is meant to be a place of discussion, but all anyone ever does is yell at each other.

    • iansand says:

      01:30pm | 18/09/09

      Is there something wrong with selection criteria that actually look at the individual as well as a score? 

      I remember my cousin applying for a graphic arts degree at Reading University.  He showed great talent even then, and is a successful set desigmner.  The university virtually told him that, if he spelt his name right on his A-level papers, he had a spot.  I thought it was a great system then and still do. 

      Does anyone believe that we get worse doctors because candidates now have to do more than get a high mark to justify their admission to medicine?

    • David says:

      02:31pm | 18/09/09

      Why shouldn’t well-rounded and successful students get extra credit to move into courses they want to do? I bet they’re more likely to complete their course than other people who may not have the aptitude to do certain degrees. Sounds like bleating about something that doesn’t need fixing. The problem is only if high school graduates miss out on entry to a course to someone with a far lower UAI score, because a principal’s good mates with the course director.

    • E says:

      03:59pm | 18/09/09

      Eric, its a couple of things working there, 1) women are no longer being discriminated against, 2) men still go for trades, 3) toy degrees
      So assuming a 50-50 split between genders, some guys who could otherwise go into uni will get a technical qualification, however fewer women will do so, thus creating a slight majority of females in university.
      3) I say this because there isnt much of an increase of women in maths, science or engineering (real degrees), they are all in media, psychology and business (toy degrees). But the toy degrees are much more profitable and dont require expensive equipment to teach (unlike engineering and science), so the unis are giving us an oversupply of people who are qualified to talk about television (hooray) or produce psychobabble for media (hooray). Of course the social cost of doing this is enormous, as these people have no real skills and so are locked into the endemic ‘lets all lie together and pretend we add value’ game so prevelent in our corporate and public services.

      On to the actual topic..
      Pfft, making a doctor study maths to get a higher score is lame, so the whole system is pretty messed up. They should all just ignore the ATER and set their own entrance exams, including a folio or interview where appropriate. Dux of school could just mean everyone else was a moron, same with captain, and letters from the principal would be considered paid for by school fees, so I dont think they should be taken into consideration.

      Seriously, the unis should just set their own entrance criteria and ignore the lame parts of the education system.

    • MF says:

      04:24pm | 18/09/09

      As a university lecturer, it is a constantly frustrating endeavor to try and educate first year undergraduates who have been admitted into a degree without fulfilling the entrance requirements.  As a result of students being granted admission without meeting the standards the faculty sets in order to meet student numbers, we are being forced to regularly dumb down the degree curriculum to deal with the problem.  This is unfair on students who have met the specified (published) entry requirements that are forced to spend a semester rehashing work that they’ve already done in high school, just to appease the less capable students who wormed their way in through “bonus points” and “alternative entry” schemes.

    • dlewis89 says:

      04:45pm | 18/09/09

      I was School Captain, where were my bonus points?

      I wish I had read this article in 2006.

    • Eric says:

      05:13pm | 18/09/09

      E, that’s an interesting perspective. I take your point.

      Nevertheless, I still have a point of my own: that if the university entrance proportions were reversed between the sexes, then feminists, journalists and politicians would be up in arms. Just as they are about the apparent discrepancy between men’s and women’s incomes.

      This just highlights the double standard in society. If men don’t get the best outcomes, nobody worries about it.  If it appears that women are not getting the best outcomes, it’s a cause for panic!

    • Susan says:

      05:21pm | 18/09/09

      The ones that really annoy me are the sports ones. I went to UNSW and was horrified to look at that list and see a 5 UAI point bonus for a myriad of athletes. Seriously, 5 points for being a member of the Rugby League/Union/AFL etc Players Association? Plenty of these kids already won scholarships to prestigious high schools because they could throw or kick a ball, meaning they already had something of an advantage, why should they get extra marks? And if the bonus UAI points aren’t enough, often they get sports scholarships because it looks good to have these sorts of athletes in the uni brochures for the next year.

      I’m all for these sorts of things being included if they are relevant - e.g. I can get bonus points for having AMEB Grade 8, AMus etc if you are applying to a Music degree - but lots of the bonus points categories are just silly.

    • Vas says:

      12:51am | 19/09/09

      QUOTE: “And if the bonus UAI points aren’t enough, often they get sports scholarships because it looks good to have these sorts of athletes in the uni brochures for the next year.”: UNQUOTE

      There is more to uni than books and lectures. To produce well-rounded individuals that will contribute to Australian society, a holistic education must be offered. This is not a myth. There is something to having a wide range of students at uni. First, hard work is transferable. If someone works hard on the field, they can apply this hard work to other aspects of their life. Second, sportsmen and musicians add diversity to an otherwise homogenized and one-dimensional cohort. New perspectives are valuable. Most academic practices are about thinking creatively- outside the box.

      (Personally, I have heard sports scholarship holders say profoundly simple and ingenious things in my tutes, that others have not said, and that contributed to my learning in that tutorial and developed my understanding of the course!)

      So don’t be concerned about sportsmen and musicians, 3rd world refugees and others getting “bonus points.” I guarantee that you will benefit from their presence, that is, if you allow yourself to.

      Think outside the square. But don’t force it. =)

    • Jolanda Challita says:

      09:18am | 19/09/09

      I do not see a problem with bonus points for achieving certain outcomes so long as they dont take it to far, especially with the sport.  Many Universities also give points if you got a certain band in a certain subject, like for instance a band 6 in Business Studies will give you bonus points in a Commerce degree.  Students who are heavily involved in other activities often have to sacrifice thier studies in order to achieve at the high levels in thier chosen activity and that makes it very hard to compete against the ‘new style’ of students who spend their educational life being coached and tutored to death in order to compete in academic competition and they do nothing else.  They should also take circumstances into consideration for Selective School placement as test marks in general are very influenced by the school you go to, the culture of your background, the environment that you live in and whether or not you are liked by the Educators running the system.  It is very easy to manipulate marks and there are no avenues to get an independant and fair investigation into any concerns regarding marking.  Even re-marks are not remarked - only the original marks allocated are re-counted.  The actual test is not remarked.  This is all about bureacrats wanting to control the system via marks because when they have total control over marks they rule.  It is best if our children are treated as humans and not test marks.  Education - Keeping them honest.  http://jolandachallita.typepad.com/education/  Our children deserve better.

    • tim says:

      11:47am | 21/09/09

      In reality it has a lot to do with student numbers and capitalism that has crept into the education system. I got into my Uni before I even had my UAI entrance mark although my mark would have got me in anyway. The first year was extremely boring as it just rehashed Yr 12 subjects.  (i note the above post by the lecturer). University’s are driven by supply and demand. They need student numbers to remain high to remain viable and to do this they may require other entry alternatives. Things like the recession and the amount you can make from trades come into play these days. 1) Parents might not be able to afford to send their kids because of the credit crunch 2) Why study and do a degree when you could potentially make more from doing a trade.  and economies of scale (and economies of scale).

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