Malcolm Turnbull has left no-one in any doubt as to what he thinks about today’s defeat of the ETS with a blog entry on his website saying the Liberals have damaged the national interest - and themselves - by blocking the legislation.

ETS defeat a very disappointing result, Turnbull has written on his blog.

It is a civil piece of writing, and in keeping with the position he doggedly stuck to this past week. But it has caught the attention of his party, which fears that Turnbull is so passionate about this issue that he could position himself as a booming voice of dissent from the backbench, keeeping the Liberals distracted and divided ahead of a poll fought over the ETS.

“Today the Senate rejected, for the second time, the Government’s emissions trading scheme legislation,” his entry began. “This is a very disappointing result, contrary to the national interest and the interest of the Liberal Party.”

“Australia needs to get on with the business of cutting its greenhouse gas emissions. We recognised that in Government and started legislating for an ETS. As Mr Howard has observed, the Rudd Government’s ETS is very similar to the one we, as Liberals, took to the last election.”

In the entry, Mr Turnbull risks angering Liberals by repeating his insistence that last Tuesday’s marathon Party Room meeting had ended with majority support for an ETS.

“We had a number of objections to the legislation and back in October the Party Room approved us proposing amendments to the Government which were, in large measure, accepted by the Government. The Party Room last week accepted the Shadow Cabinet’s recommendation that an agreement be reached between the Opposition and Government to pass the amended bill. These amendments would have protected thousands of jobs and ensured Australia’s ETS was more environmentally effective.”

In a way it’s quite academic now. He lost the leadership yesterday and Tony Abbott is running the show.  What isn’t academic is the very real risk that Turnbull could become a flashpoint for grass roots Liberals who believe in climate change and want the party to act in a bipartisan way to tackle it.

At the other end of the Coalition’s political spectrum, there was an interview on Sydney radio today which National Party Leader Warren Truss probably wouldn’t have adored.

Chris Smith on Radio 2GB had Barnaby Joyce on, and was telling him how many callers to the largely conservative station had been demanding that Joyce go into the Lower House and even become PM.
 
Joyce replied:

“I reckon that’s what I might have to do. That’s probably what I’m going to have to do. I don’t really want to talk about it because it sounds like you are pumping up your own ego. I would love to get to exactly the same position that we are talking about…I would love to sit across the chamber from Mr Kevin Rudd and say let’s have the debate, I would love to have an election on this one mate because if you do we will tear you apart.”

Tony Abbott was certainly right yesterday in describing the Coalition as a broad church.

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    • Patrick says:

      02:32pm | 02/12/09

      Howard vs Peacock: The sequel.

      At least that means we have another 12 years before we have to suffer through an Abbott government.

    • cats says:

      06:53pm | 02/12/09

      Yeah.. except for rising energy costs even without the ETS. People like you sh*t me. If everyone turned off their appliances at the wall when they’re not using them, 1: your energy costs would be lower, 2: huge amounts of natural irreplaceable resources would be saved, including the habitat of hundreds of endangered species of animals. And i’m not talking about climate pollution which people like you seem to think is absolutely fine. Argh how selfish can you be?

    • Patrick says:

      02:58am | 03/12/09

      You probably won’t read this thread again “cats” but you might want to re read what I wrote.

    • musclecar says:

      05:27am | 06/12/09

      Hey are you a professional journalist? This article is very well written, as compared to most other blogs i saw today….
      anyhow thanks for the good read!

    • Bill McKelvey says:

      10:02am | 21/05/11

      I agree with Mitch. Turnbull white ants everyone for his own gain. I really think he belongs with Labour. Liberals need to eject him forthwith to avoid any more disruption. ETS will only create another level of bureaucracy and a drain on the public purse and a market for trading on the stock exchange to make money from a false economy. How can this help the environment???

    • Mitch says:

      02:36pm | 02/12/09

      Turnbull really does himself no favours there though. It just isn’t a good look and it is very obvious of his motives. He was known to undermine those leaders who went before him and now he seeks to continue.

    • iansand says:

      02:41pm | 02/12/09

      Barnaby in the lower house as leader.  Just when you thought things could not get weirder…

    • 6c legs says:

      03:01pm | 02/12/09

      iansand wrote: Barnaby in the lower house as leader. Just when you thought things could not get weirder…

      plus 1.
      I thought that if howard won another election that i’d have to migrate…he’s starting to look positively moderate compared to what we’ve got now…what’s that old saying: better the devil you know… damn scary!

      Malcolm, mate, join the Greens and give them that extra bit of cred they need.

    • jack gilbert says:

      07:06am | 03/12/09

      JACK
      I agree with you legs, In 70 years of watching and listening to politicians i have never heard such an Idiot as barnaby joyce, I hope he does go to the lower house because he probably will bring them all down,
      Bring back Malcom.

    • DS says:

      02:45pm | 02/12/09

      Joh for PM….

    • Matthew says:

      02:52pm | 02/12/09

      Joh who? wink

    • Voxpop says:

      02:53pm | 02/12/09

      Barnaby has always had those ambitions - how dangerous to give him the belief that it’s possible.  His crossing the floor gestures and grandstanding got him noticed and now he thinks he’ll be loved for speaking out but he just looks foolish these days - even his old grass roots supporters are starting to see through it all (the one without blinkers that is)

    • RattlesTheMost says:

      02:57pm | 02/12/09

      Mal won’t know what to do without his leadership soapbox. Never seen a more restless politician.

      Clearly he’s PM material, but last week’s scatter-gun media performance shows that that’s a long way off at this point. Unless he settles down, and uses his backbench seat to consolidate, he’ll only keep the party weak, and preclude himself from playing any significant role.

      He should pipe down and learn the ropes, or get out of politics feed his restlessness and hunger for power elsewhere.

      (Maybe another tilt at the republic - Malcolm for President?!)

    • bella starkey says:

      03:01pm | 02/12/09

      I think Malcolm should take note from PJ O’Rourke:

      A hat should be taken off when you greet a lady and left off for the rest of your life. Nothing looks more stupid than a hat.


      What is he doing in that photo? playing bowls?

    • We want our hat back. says:

      03:54pm | 03/12/09

      He is pretending to be a Liberal / National Party Member. He is a man without a horse though, he couldnt even wear Ralph Lauren or R M Williams with style. I wish he would ride off into the sunset - goodbye .

    • Scott says:

      03:04pm | 07/12/09

      A hat keeps the sun off one’s head.  Perhaps UV-induced skin cancer is a global left wing conspiracy also?

    • Deliah says:

      03:22pm | 02/12/09

      Malcolm Turnbull is right and we have not heard the last from him. Abbot with his questionable one vote victory has hardly got a resounding mandate. The lunatics and extremists have taken over the Liberal Party and the less said about the ghastly Barnaby Joyce the better.

    • Name calling isnt the solution says:

      03:59pm | 03/12/09

      Some people are very sour that Tony Abbott won!!!! Malcolm has lost his opportunity to be President of a Republic. Lunatics,Extremists, Ghastly - choice words!!!!

    • elhombre says:

      05:47am | 04/12/09

      What a load of hysterical drivel. Your hero lost dearie, and his loss was resoundingly validated by the secret ballot taken minutes after the vote. But don’t despaur, a glittering career on the ALP front bench beckons for Turnbull.

    • Jim Fletcher says:

      03:30pm | 02/12/09

      Malcolm there comes a time to walk away. You gave it your best shot. You attempted (and are continuing) to destroy the party, in your desire to give your mate Rudd what he wanted to satisfy his ego. Don’t let your own ego overcome any vestige of comon sense you might have by continuing to rant in support of an appallingly flawed piece of legislation.
      As a Liberal supporter I was delighted to see you defeated, I’ll be even more delighted if you would go home, have a nice cup of tea, and a quite lie down.
      You might use the oportunity to advance your knowledge of climate change by studying something other than the IPPC hand book on the subject.

    • Julie Coker-Godson says:

      07:10pm | 02/12/09

      ......don’t forget the Bex.

    • elhombre says:

      08:34pm | 02/12/09

      I’m with you Jim. Malcolm can either f*ck offf to the labour front bench or just f*ck off. He made it plain that he would be happy to destroy the liberal party before giving up the leadership. And to the people that coo about him having “convictions” .. well so does Charles Manson !!

    • Earth says:

      03:45pm | 02/12/09

      Didn’t take long for Turnbull to start his work of destroying the Opposition just as he did to Nelson yet he demanded loyalty. What a hypocrite!

      With the ETS gone, my wife and I are no longer seeing the need to turn off the electricity. Thank you, Mr. Abbott.

    • Shama says:

      04:24pm | 02/12/09

      Elsewhere people are claiming that Mr. Turnbull was the first victim of Climategate.  That is hogwash but it is strange that the media here has completely ignored the climate emails - except to state that AGW is still on - even though there are many disquieting factors about the leaked material.  It’s only poor Bolt who is banging on unfortunately in a rather extreme sort of way.  I thought at least the Punch would provide a reasonable take on it.

    • Margaret Gray says:

      04:26pm | 02/12/09

      That Malcolm has to ‘blog’ his feelings shows just what a rank, shape-shifting populist he is.

      Off tweeting with the twits on Twitter you go, dear boy.

      What next, sporting a faux-hawk on the backbench?

    • Deliah says:

      04:33pm | 02/12/09

      @Earth 4.45pm. Given your comment, you have picked a strange name. You don’t seem to care very much about the earth. As for the zealot Abbott, lets see how long he lasts. A very short time I would have thought.

    • Adam says:

      04:36pm | 02/12/09

      ‘Earth’ said: “With the ETS gone, my wife and I are no longer seeing the need to turn off the electricity. Thank you, Mr. Abbott. “

      People like you only make me convinced that we need the ETS, and that it isn’t such a bad thing if non-renewable household energy costs increase.

      I guess I won’t be voting Liberal next time around.

    • John A Neve says:

      04:44pm | 02/12/09

      Jim Fletcher @ 1630hrs.

      I am not sure I understand “climate change” either. Perhaps Jim you could explain to us all? 

      Malcolm would probably thank you for your help and I know I would.

    • Kirk says:

      05:17pm | 02/12/09

      Australia just dodged a bullet on the ETS - and that’s no thanks to Malcolm.  I say bring on a DD - lets turn a new tax into a referendum.

    • Lenny J says:

      06:27pm | 02/12/09

      I am rather amused that Barbnaby Joyce would even contemplate that he could ever be the PM. You have to be elected first and that would have to mean the end of the Liberal Conservatives as we know them.

      I always thought conservative meant responsible, sensible and pro business. This current transmogrification with the loose lipped Abbott as head is rather a long way from that. Besides, Barbnaby would have to make some sense, which clearly he does not.

    • Deliah says:

      06:28pm | 02/12/09

      @Kirk 6.17pm. Please keep up. Abbott has made his first huge blunder by getting his targets wrong and horrible reporting overseas. The rest of the world is going or leaning ETS. The bill is being reintroduced 2 Feb. Next.

    • Steve says:

      06:38pm | 02/12/09

      Malcolm is dissapointed his little undercover foray has been exposed. He is capable of leading the Turnbull Party. It’s called being an independent Malcolm.

    • Eno says:

      06:43pm | 02/12/09

      Next thing Earth will be saying he has to eat dogfood on ACA! ROFL!

      Do all you Liberal psychopaths - erm Sycophants even understand what a cap and trade regime is?

      It’s a method of putting a price on polution and allowing the polluters to cut their emissions over time. It allows the coal fired guys to up their game over a few years without Australia losing base power.

      Some people are unable to read beyond the headlines and actually understand what’s going on aren’t they?

      Stick your head in the sand Right Wing Liberals - surely the problem of the future will be fine. Septegarians Tuckey and Bishop say so ” NO GLOBAL WARMING IN MY LIFETIME

    • Mark says:

      07:02pm | 02/12/09

      I have long suspected Malcolm Turnbull to be dyslexic or have some sort of problem with comprehension. Instead of the ALP form he picked up the LIB one.

    • Maam says:

      07:43pm | 07/12/09

      I wholeheartedly agree.  Turnbull is ‘the enemy within’.  He should take his red card and move over to the benches opposite and stop ‘whiteanting’ the Liberals. Turnbull, you lost!!!!! We won!!!!  Now shut up or quit.  You should have taken us along with you, not ridden roughshod over us.  How many people actually understand the ETS?

    • Jon says:

      07:41pm | 02/12/09

      Malcolm, go away you lost go and join the labour party, you were never going to win an election, stop trying to white ant someone who will

    • M Cooke says:

      08:51pm | 02/12/09

      I have always liked Tony Abbott, I hope he gives Krudd MERRY BLOODY HELL.

    • Bigspender says:

      09:53pm | 02/12/09

      Abbott is only a short term solution to a bigger problem, just as the ETS was to be.
      Look at the bigger picture. The party is divided, can’t win an argument amongst themselves, and theýve voted against their 2 best candidates for a man who has never stuck to anything. Failed priest, failed boxer, and this all qualifies him for leader of australias opposition ? If they keep this up, the libs will be in opposition for a very long time. They won’t get my vote ‘til they wake up to themselves and stop infighting and overwhelmingly elect a nominated leader - Joe Hockey will indeed have his time, but not before they get over their individual ‘born to rule’ egos. A party is united, not divided. Voters won’t elect a rabble.
      Just look at our state Gov’t . We hate them, but what other choice is there?Please, people…. give us a better alternative.

    • Julie Coker-Godson says:

      10:10am | 03/12/09

      OMG….absolutely NOT…..

    • Andrew Goff says:

      11:14pm | 02/12/09

      Hi John, let me give it a crack on behalf of Jim.

      1) It’s all a communist conspiracy run by Rupert Murdoch and the Queen.
      2) Peer reviewed scientific research doesn’t count, because they are all in the communist conspiracy. Only journalistic articles about cherry picked e-mails count as evidence for or against climate change.
      3) Temperatures are going up, but it’s not our fault.
      4) Even though temperatures going up aren’t our fault, reducing our emissions will reduce temperatures going up… but not if Australia does it, only if someone else does it.
      5) Since it is a natural problem, there’s nothing man can or should do about it… just like our position on floods, fires, insects, darkness, and cancer.
      6) And anyhow, CO2 magically escapes the atmosphere so we don’t need to do anything.
      7) Despite points 2,3,4, and 5, the climate isn’t getting hotter anyhow.
      8) Something about God hating homosexuals causing the end of the world in 2012 anyhow.

      I think that covers it. If any of those denying man-made climate change want to suggest something outside that list I’m keen to here it.

      I’m particularly keen to see any links to actual scientific research supporting their case… not journalism, but actual science. Despite being stridently in favour of taking action on climate change, I hold that position precisely because the evidence is overwhelming. So please, I stand ready to change my position. Just show my the research papers and you will get a very very reasonable answer instead of me calling you lunatic idealogues and taking your position as seriosuly as I do that of Andrew Bolt (or Catherine Deveny, or Patrick Smith).

    • John A Neve says:

      07:57am | 03/12/09

      Andrew Goff @ 1214am.

      Thank you Andrew, I think I have the gist of “climate change” now. Correct me if I’m wrong, but nothing we do has any impact, so if we all just keep on keeping on all will be sweet.

      I’ll sleep a lot easier now, thanks again.

    • Shama says:

      08:21am | 03/12/09

      All you have to do is go to wikipedia and you will find a list of scientists who dispute/deny/are not yet convinced about AGW.  Then you can google their work.  I honestly wouldn’t use the word “deny” too because the next decade of scientific observations may result in different or adjusted conclusions. The conclusions of the IPCC are to the best of their knowledge but not like you know absolute.  Further many corporates are invested in a carbon neutral economy so let’s just say there are vested interests on both sides of the argument. 

      Also unless you are a scientist showing you scientific papers will not mean anything. Even as a scientist the area covers different disciplines so the papers are not that easy to read and come to a definite conclusion.

    • Andrew Goff says:

      12:51pm | 03/12/09

      Hi Shama,

      I’m scientifically trained, and while some of the technical points may escape me in other disciplines I can readily research them or ask colleagues in the fields to explain the principles. So, are you a scientist? Sounds to me like you just admitted you don’t understand any of the evidence from either side, no?

      In any case. Wiki is not a great source… but I tried your experiment.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change_consensus
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming_controversy

      Fascinating reading. Some key points from these two articles:

      Not one scientific association against climate change.
      Of almost 4000 surveyed, 97% of active climatologists agree that human activity is causing global warming.
      Of the famous “500 opposed scientists”, only 120 were actually climate scientists, and 45 expressly disagreed with the interpretation of their work.

      As a scientist, I assure you NOTHING is ever proven. But 97% agreement is as high a level of agreement as you would get about anything short of gravity.

      And, typical of climate change denial, where is the list you mentioned? How about you provide a link to the list of climate change denying scientific papers?

    • Shama says:

      01:53pm | 03/12/09

      I believe the list is here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientists_opposing_the_mainstream_scientific_assessment_of_global_warming

      Not that wiki is the fount of all knowledge or Google Scholar for that matter. 

      I have a PhD in the Sciences - but not in Climate Science - and I am still a researcher.  I have friends in the area though and know that the research path is quite rocky and the effects of AGW are hardly as confidently settled as protrayed. And I am quite confident that if either of us were presented with a paper on tree ring data it would still not make you or me an expert and give us the licence to mouth off with the immature, snarky tone of your post.  And highly indicative that this is a cause for you is to assume that I am a climate change “denier”.  We do a lot of work in clean technologies and I am completely for it but I am against this moralising, good/bad guys and doomsday scenarios. 

      And hey on a lighter note if the weatherman can’t get the week’s weather right how do we predict climate?!

    • Andrew Goff says:

      12:18pm | 04/12/09

      From your last point to the first.

      Roll a dice. I can’t predict what you will roll. Roll it a thousand times, and I will predict very very well what you will roll.

      I must apologise for the narkiness of my original post. I am very keen to enagage in genuine debate abotu the subject, but this site provides for more lunatic propositions from people who genuinely are climate change deniers than considered idea from climate change skeptics.

      I actually think that the tree-ring data is the weakest point in the climate change argument due to the potential sampling biases that I don’t feel have been sufficiently investigated. But one (in fact two as the first lot were reproduced to confirm the experimental results) controversial sample set does not impact the hockey stick.

      There are indeed weaknesses in the climate change argument. I want research into these area to be funded and explored. But this is true of any scientific field. For example, we are only 90-95% confident that the recent cervical cancer vaccine is actually effective. This is not a reason not to act.

      I know this goes right over the heads of most denialists (as opposed to skeptics - I hope you catch the subtle but important difference), but the concensus is not that AGW is a certainty, just that there is a very high likelihood of it. In the absense of certainty, it is essential to act in the balance of probability, especially when that balance is so heavily in favour of one conclusion.

      To do otherwise is denialism, not skepticism. You don’t even have to actually think AGW is happening, only that it is a possibility of happening, in order to insure against it. the chance of my house burning down is far less than 1%, but I still pay fire insurance.

      Meanwhile, at the risk of boring you, the anti-climate change lunatics just keep finding more and more insane answers to what is causing the global temperature change if not humans. Last decade it was sun-spots… an outlandish theory, and unfortunately for them one which was completely debunked when the trend collapsed in the last 15 years. Recently I was flabbergasted when someone suggest that CO2 levels weren’t going up anyhow because “it is simply escaping the atmosphere”.

      You can keep coming up with wackier and wackier theories for ever (check out the hilarious flat-earth websites… yes there are still people out there…), but if there is one glaringly obvious explanation with well supported evidence then (even if there is the chance it is wrong) then it is, if not imperative, then certainly prudent to act on it.

      Finally, thank you for posting a link. This alone puts you miles in front of most of the frauds on here who claim many many things but can’t provide any substanive evidence or sourcing.

      A few points to start with though:

      Many of the quoted scientists are expressing opinion, rather than research related positions (but I’ll certainly take the time to read through the references as well).

      Many are unrelated disciplines (astronauts? nuclear physicists?)

      A lot of the quoted sources date to the 1990’s, many citing the (then ambitious, now completely defunct) solar radition explanation.

      Still, makes for interesting reading: recommended for all readers who seriously want an understanding of the genuine scientific skepticism (as opposed, once again, to the head-in-sand denialists).

      Sorry for the long post!

    • Shama says:

      02:15pm | 04/12/09

      Thanks Andrew, agree with most of your post-yes I know the solar/water vapour theories get endlessly circulated!  The Punch has moved on to other things so I will be brief.

      The list seems to include people not in the field but also a fair few who are. 

      I am not saying there should be inaction on climate change. But I think few of the recommendations thrown around are purely technical in nature. IMO there is by now a huge circus around both viewpoints.  There are all the hug-earthers pushing their own green agendas and the flat-earthers indulging in their own lunacy.  It seems less and less about the science and more and more about ideology.

    • HeckleandJeckle says:

      07:30am | 03/12/09

      I just saw on ABC News that Mr Turnbull is unhappy with Julia Bishop..join the club mate is all I can say. Shes a 53 year old woman passed from man to man in the party. That cold dead stare she gives the cameras in Parliment give me the horrors. Her only loyalty is to herself and her own position. From what ABC said this morning, shes being called a cockroach and I would consider that a pretty good description. Congrats whoever coined that phrase. She needs to stop acting like a teenage fashionista and start acting like the baby boomer she is and concentrate on the job.

    • wattty says:

      07:41am | 03/12/09

      Turnbull joins Malcolm(Fraser) Mark 1 andthe loser of the “unloseable election” Hewson in the Malcontents Club.


      If nothing else it should guarantee a couple of spots as the “Liberal Party expert” on SKY AGENDA

      Hansard October 28th 2009 Leader of the Opposition Malcolm Turnbull


      ‘It has always been ourview that the response to
      climate change must be part of coordinated global action.
      If we put a price on carbon in Australia without
      a comparable cost being imposed on the
      countries that our export industries and trade
      exposed industries compete with, the simple
      result is that we end up exporting Australian
      jobs and the emissions—economic pain, no
      environmental gain.”

      From memory that was a major stipulation of the Howard Government so why did Malcolm change and insist with Rudd that the ETS had to be passed this week?

    • wattty says:

      08:09am | 03/12/09

      A bit more for Malcolm the Malcontent to respond to.

      Why another big change which ended up splitting the Party?

      Hansard October 28th 2009 Turnbull

      “In light of the fact that the Copenhagen
      conference is only a month away and new
      information about the likely design of a US
      scheme and phase 3 of the European ETS
      continues to emerge at a rapid rate, the coalition
      has argued for some time that it would
      be premature to finalise the design of an ETS prior to Copenhagen
      .
      All of these issues will be just as relevant after Copenhagen
      as theyare now—and of course we should be working and negotiating—but why should we finalise the design prior
      to Copenhagen?”

      Good question Malcolm.

    • Steve says:

      08:01pm | 04/12/09

      Ummmmm…...Have you forgotten something?
      It was Abbott who advised Turnbull to change tack & pass the ETS. Stating it would be good for all concerned to get it off the agenda.
      Backing Abbott’s advice to Turnbull was Minchin & Co.
      Instead of rolling over & just passing it, Turnbull with the support of the party called for amendments. Which he managed to do.
      Now do you understand why he is pi**ed off?

    • David Hanison says:

      05:49pm | 07/12/09

      How sad and pathetic that Malcolm can’t let it go. He lost the leadership and now he wishes to lose his dignity as well.

      His opinion was rejected by the party so if he wishes to snipe at Abbott perhaps he should do the decent thing and resign from the Liberals and become an independant.

      The trouble is he was out of step with the voters long before the ETS issue and proved himself a bully boy riding over anyone who happened to disagree with him. Now he is going to sit among the back bench rocks shooting at anything that rides by in the distance.

      Goodbye Malcolm, you couldnt make it as leader and you will be a second best to Mark Latham at looking stupid as a disgruntled ex leader - though only just.

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