SHE SAYS: just don’t forget your undies

Troppo says:

03:52pm | 02/02/11

Except skid marks!

gonzon says:

05:43pm | 02/02/11

Actually, there is. Beacause if you’re fat’n'ugly, it is insulting. If you’re not, you’re not worth chasing anyway… (IOW, no fun in making an effort for what’s free).

Erick says:

11:22am | 02/02/11

Luce, I don’t normally respond to trolls and stalkers, but in this case I’ll make an exception in order to point out that the above article is a long, rambling statement about the victimhood of females.

What’s good for the goose ...

Luce says:

12:28pm | 02/02/11

Really?

“Women are arguably in the best position we have ever been in.”

Please enlighten me as to where the victimhood is in this article.

And before you bring up the unequal pay thing, its actually documented that women generally receive less pay for the same job.

Erick says:

12:43pm | 02/02/11

Luce, see my comment immediately below.

Luce says:

12:51pm | 02/02/11

I read it before, which is why i mentioned the equal pay thing.

“Also, the vast majority of men don’t have positions of leadership either.”

What the author was trying to point out is the majority of leadership positions are held by men

Bilby says:

10:14am | 02/02/11

I know… I was out in the fields the other day and *nothing*. Not a seed.

Macca says:

11:14am | 02/02/11

Lol, shocker, sew

Tigger says:

10:39am | 02/02/11

Yeah I agree, she really seems to have a thing about that. Perhaps she should try it sometime?

bella starkey says:

10:48am | 02/02/11

A friend of mine doesn’t wear undies. He has to wash his jeans constantly though and they wear out very quickly.

mary says:

10:58am | 02/02/11

You don’t need to wash your jeans.

http://www.mamamia.com.au/weblog/2011/02/you-dont-need-to-wash-your-jeans-for-a-year.html

bella starkey says:

11:19am | 02/02/11

I think you do if you got sweaty free swinging balls!

I barely ever wash mine.

Karalee says:

11:23am | 02/02/11

It’s great to hear your friend does his own washing, Bella

Bilby says:

11:51am | 02/02/11

You don’t wash your balls bella? That’s foul!

Shifter says:

12:10pm | 02/02/11

‘darn a sock’

I don’t even know what that means! More power to you Kerryn.

Sara says:

12:28pm | 02/02/11

I’ve always found darning doesn’t really work that well with modern stretchy socks. Not that I have much call for it, by the time I’ve worn my socks enough to get a hole in they they’re too far gone to be worth fixing.

TChong says:

11:38am | 02/02/11

Jim . Giving the slightest of nods to Ms. Trump better than most starting line, is a masterful example of the art of the understatement.  : )
i must try it sometime. soon.

Bitten says:

05:20pm | 02/02/11

TChong, James is identifying someone who has a degree of social prominence as an alternative female role model to her peers, the D-grade celebrities, socialistas and trust-fund brigade.  Your sour grapes remark is rooted in the ghoulish expectation society has that these individuals will by virtue of their advantages by birth ALWAYS f* themselves up royally and behave as the tabloid-devouring masses predict they will.  Her advantages and the fact that she hasn’t f*ed herself up, has committed to tertiary education, fulfilled a role full time within a large organisation, in other words that she has accepted her advantages in life and maximised them rather than squandering them, all show that she IS an excellent role model for young women.  Someone who had all the opportunities in the world to lead a life of useless consumption, contributing nothing, instead chose to do more.

Richard Branson’s daughter who is a qualified doctor I think? Another excellent example for young women today.

Grumpy says:

03:18pm | 02/02/11

you’re like…amazing.

Bet you cant split an atom.

Bitten says:

09:22pm | 02/02/11

Grumpy, it’s beyond disingenuous to on the one hand, complain about young women not striving hard enough to achieve highly and on the other hand, make snide comments such as yours when a young woman bucks the trend and is proud of her achievements. We may be young, but we have no difficulty recognising the hypocrisy and double standards of those who make it a point to be critical of us.

Ray Graham says:

10:10am | 03/02/11

Ginger Kitty, I’d like to give you the benefit of the doubt but if you spent less time admiring your achievements, which we’ll take on notice, you might have time for attaining basic practical skills. Kind of goes with the territory of complaining about the rates charged by tradies.

Why shouldn’t they charge you to the hilt. Women have hi jacked education to the level that the bulk of the male population is channelled to the lesser status positions without preening their achievements in some reflective image while sipping lattes.

You ARE presented with opportunities today. Far more than your contempory males, and light years more than previous generation males who were bricked and mortared to repetetive, physical and person development voids, to provide for families they loved.

It is patently clear that the devotion of the previous generation males has been culpably railroaded to mis-present as non caring, beer swilling, neanderthals, all to suit the cause of promoting female ascendency through unabated preference. Anyone think to ask the men were they dedicated to their family and particularly kids. Their sacrifice is not reciprocated by today’s self indulgent females, who ARE independent, and provide a self indulgent agressor mentality to boot. An attitude of on-going confrontation who can’t develop any compassion towards their male contempories without some glint of pleasure to male discontent from males to the low deck cards they are presently dealt . Women will wither on their own vine, without much empathy from men.

GingerKitty says:

12:37pm | 03/02/11

Ray Graham,

In no way do I mean to discount the hard work men have put in to building our society as we know it today (even though there was a time in history where women were not allowed to be educated). I understand the sacrifices which men have made for their families over the years, as even in my own family, my father (who was only educated till year 12) worked 2 jobs to put my brother and I through school, while my mother was a housewife.

I agree with your point of women being given an unfair advantage today, maybe people are starting to feel the guilt of the disadvantages of being a woman throughout history, e.g. not being allowed to vote, not being allowed an education, however I also understand that in the past men were under immense pressure to be sole providers of the household.

I’m just trying to say that women need to be strong enough to not fall prey to what the media tells us how women should be. There is an unrealistic expectation on women today to achieve a certain beauty standard, or a certain skank standard. This is being ingrained into us from as young as 3 years old, have you seen what the popular dolls in stores right now are wearing? Or maybe you should read through an issue of Dolly magazine, where girls as young as 13 are writing in about their “sex problems”. I would know, I used to read them myself in high school.

I’m not too sure about what you mean with your comment “women have hi jacked education”...Sounds like you have a problem with women achieving high grades in school, university etc.

Ray says:

01:40pm | 03/02/11

Kitty, what I mean by ‘hijacked education’ is that when it was decided that girls education needed to be boosted, there was really no need to because education was pretty much equatable. From the 70’s on structural changes were implemented to assist girls/women.
ie singular encouragement, a shift to expression/arts subjects as against maths and sciences and attendent weighting for TER entrance, and a resultant massive advantage to girls/women that seems acceptable despite being socially engineeered. Those with memory fade accrue the dominence by girls/women as ‘evolution’ despite there being culpable intent to gain the precise outcome that has been achieved..

Educators continue to deny the undeniable at the behest of women and their complete take over of the education system.  Play a dead bat until it needs to be deflected again

What we are doing to our eventual peril is to handicap boys to exclusion of equal opportunity given to girls/females.

Now you may wish to refute whatever you like but consider that when we deigned girls as getting supposed under performance in education it is the systems fault. When boys under achieve despite our interference with culpable intent, then it is the boys fault.

History will judge us poorly for such blatant usurp by stealth of applied gender cleansing and a waste of previously proven resources all at the misguided attempt of equality defined by outcomes not opportunity.

If you doubt me Google Cheryl Vardon, Principal CEO of ACT Education who was quoted without remorse as saying she would use the education system to address other social inequities she saw. In simple terms ‘discriminate’

Karalee says:

03:13pm | 02/02/11

Thanks, Grumpy your comment gave me a laugh! Do we know for a fact no women were involved in building the space shuttles? Actually, do we know for a fact that we *did* walk on the moon? Kidding on that one

Grumpy says:

03:29pm | 02/02/11

Women made the space suits probably…atleast washed an ironed them. im pretty sure..

Ray says:

09:42am | 03/02/11

elle, look I’ll take account of your age but really you’ve never witnessed what is expected or has been given by men. You rely purely on folklore handed down by like minded luddite feminists whose mantra is to misrepresent.

You have a long way to go. So please don’t develop gender comparison as a life blood ar your age.

E says:

10:50am | 03/02/11

Ray,

Given that your knowledge of all things appears to be so infinitely superior to Elle’s, perhaps you might be able to provide a historic example of when men have been expected, by society as a whole, to have a successful career while also being the primary care giver to the members of their household.

Elle didn’t say that men haven’t been subjected to societal pressures.  We all know they have.  Just as women were expected to be housewives men were expected to be breadwinners and anyone who diverged from this was labelled a failure and not a “proper man”.  But the injustices of societal pressure on men is not what Elle was expressing confusion at.  What Elle said was that men have not been expected to be both succesful in their career AS WELL as being domestically responsible. 

If you know of a time where men were expected to excel at both things, please tell us, as it is not a period of history I had heard of before and I for one would like to learn how they dealt with it.

Bilby says:

11:27am | 03/02/11

E - The problem with your argument is that the only people that expect a woman to have a successful career as well as being domestically responsible are people pushing the “super woman” line. Most men don’t expect it. Most women don’t expect it. Just a small, vocal group.

As for when were men expected to do both, clearly you live in a cave with an internet connection. That period would be now.

Ray says:

11:31am | 03/02/11

‘E’ It is quite clear that my ‘knowledge of all things’ is far superior to yours as well. But some would say that’s hardly worth making a point about. Firstly I never said that men had to do both. But a flippant dismissal of men’s position, aka Elle’s luminary comment, is not acceptable.

For instances in earlier generations most men didn’t have careers, they had ‘jobs’. It’s not really a subtle difference but probably wasted upon you when you make quotes that aren’t quotes. Most men didn’t go to Uni, that was reserved for the selective few males AND females. But we culpably chose to change education outcomes to the extent that women now dominate in all Uni curriculums. Or was that a result of untapped evolution.

Men who ALSO don’t go to Uni are termed a ,‘failure’ and not on the potential ‘partner’ shopping list of the upwardly self indulgent present day female.

What men were expected to do was work 2-3 jobs while the wife was at home with the kids. The men still made time to be with the kids example myself and my father.

But as in my other comments, society at the behest of feminists chose to fabricate history to promote those fathers as the beer swiling, work (career?)  focussed,  neanderthals who bashed their wives in between committing incest and other creton type behaviour.

Elle was talking of the societal pressures on women with the unsaid that men did and do not have same type societal pressures. Well men have societal pressures in spades mostly created by women to provide their own self serving outcomes which they wallow in today. Difference is men get on with it without the fine tuned bleating of women.

I was kind to Elle and suggesting she not be hoodwinked by the self destroying and debilitating gender division orchestrated by women. With yourself the time would be wasted as your gender cleansing mentality at the expense of males seems rusted on. Something I would prefer to guide Elle against in a world where she should be herself and not a card board reflection of some bitter ideology bred from hatred as from your patron saint of male derision G. Greer and cohorts.

Next time if you want to quote make sure it is a quote. I would ask for an example of what ever you wish to say, but feminist women have never been recalcitrant at preferring fabrication in preference to fact.