Just in case Punch readers believe what people tell them, here are some of the things that have been said about internet filtering…and exactly why they shouldn’t be believed.

Don't believe everything you read on the internet. Picture: AP

Lie # 1: The filter will help in the fight against child pornography.

I wish this were true. But it isn’t. Even child protection group, Save The Children, has come out exposing Conroy’s plan as unworkable and the wrong way to protect children online. The filter will not (and Stephen Conroy admits this) work for the areas where unwanted material actually lives, namely: peer-to-peer networking, instant messaging, torrents, direct emails and chat rooms.

Lie # 2: The filter won’t slow connection speeds.

The filter is not equipped to process large bandwidth sites such as YouTube or ABC iView. Google, owner of YouTube, has said that filtering such volume sites is not technologically possible, without an extremely serious impact on internet access speeds. Why? Imagine a tub of yoghurt. In this tub there are a few billion bacteria- almost all of which are good for you. But just one of those germs is believed to be salmonella. In order to get rid of the bad one but keep the billions of good ones, every single germ has to be checked for nastiness. And meanwhile you’re still waiting for your smoothie. No wonder this kind of a filtering won’t work.

Lie #3: Conroy’s filter will stop your kids viewing harmful stuff online.

The filter is designed to block material which is defined Refused Classification by the classification review board. This means that the ISP filter won’t help you protect your child from viewing things that you might prefer they don’t see—- only parental control can do that. It’s a bit like hiring a really expensive babysitter who lets your six-year-old watch whatever they want. On the internet you simply can’t outsource parenting.

Lie #4: The filter has been proven in Government trials.

Testing and scaling are two very different things when it comes to filtering mass amounts of content. On top of this Stephen Conroy’s test criteria appear to only have been formulated after the test began. With that kind of logic we should be glad Conroy isn’t designing the national curriculum.

Lie #5: This plan is no different to what is already done with books and films.

OK, so that’s a little bit true. But that’s the problem. We don’t use books and films to communicate one to one or store our family photos. A mandatory filter would give the government permission to scrutinise a space which is both public and private in a way current censorship laws could never allow. The mass concerns of the hundred thousand plus Australians who’ve taken action on this issue are beginning to be heard with the Government appearing to cave in on whether Government officials or classification board members review websites that find themselves on the list. But here’s the point – while with movies we can keep an eye on the classification board and what they are blocking, there’s no way to know which sites will be on the blacklist under the Government’s current proposal. Informing the public of which url’s are on the list may have its own problems. Clearly then, censoring the internet just can’t work (and we’re only half way through our list).

Lie #6: The ISP filter is similar to ones in other Western democracies.

Senator Conroy made this claim and then later admitted that in fact no Western democracy has a mandatory ISP level filter designed like Australia’s in. Surely we don’t want to join countries like Iran, China and Saudi Arabia with their harsh and ineffective censorship approach.

Lie #7: The filter will not make the internet more expensive.

The filter itself is pricey. The Government has set aside $44m for the scheme for four years. In 2004 a government report said “given the limited benefits of an ISP-level filtering system, the costs of a mandated requirement to filter do not appear justified.”  The same Government report estimated that a filter of this kind would cost $45m to establish (the equivalent to putting over 300 AFP officers on the online beat) and $33m each year there after. Because much of the burden of maintaining the filter may fall to ISPs it isn’t unfeasible to imagine the costs being passed on to consumers.

Lie #8: If you’re anti mandatory filtering you’re pro child porn.

Conroy, through his argument in parliament and in the media, has constructed a universe where those who question mandatory filtering are, by extension, in support of child pornography. Surely he wouldn’t accuse people within his own party of being pro child porn. Would he?

Lie #9: The filter would be impenetrable.

No matter how smart filtering technology may be, there is always someone smarter. The current model of filter has already been cracked. In fact, there’s a good chance your children can show you how. What’s more, organisations around the world are already developing ways to get around the filters of oppressive regimes. One that’s doing a particularly good job in helping Iranians get around their Government filter is Access Now (hyperlink:http://www.accessnow.org/), founded with the support of organisation’s like Avaaz.org, MoveOn and Australian organisation GetUp.org.au).

Lie #10: An ISP filter is the best option out there.

Calls to provide parents with tools to control their children’s access to the internet are well founded and practical. An optional, computer level filter would be far more efficient and cost effective without handing over unnecessary power to a government body. And this is the plan that Australians actually want. GetUp’s Galaxy phone poll found that 86% of Australians think that parents, not the Government or Internet Service Providers, should have the primary responsibility for protecting children online.

Let’s just hope Senator Conroy read’s this post – I would love to read his reply.

Don’t miss: Get The Punch in your inbox every day

Get The Punch on Facebook

171 comments

Show oldest | newest first

    • DomiCabsmooda says:

      08:10am | 24/05/12

      <a >cheapest generic viagra</a>  just changing the names of their products. <a >cheap brand name viagra</a>  is responsible for degradation of cGMP in the corpus cavernosum. The molecular structure of sildenafil <a >canadian pharmacy viagra</a>  Sildenafil is a potent and selective inhibitor of cGMP-specific phosphodiesterase type 5 (PDE5), which <a >buy viagra online without prescription</a>  or whole blood in order to assess pharmacokinetic status in those receiving the drug therapeutically, <a >viagra uk</a>,<a >buy generic viagra online</a>,<a >soft viagra</a>,<a >free viagra samples</a>

    • Rob Cummings says:

      02:44pm | 27/03/12

      This might just cause an increase in IT jobs in the government sector as they require more brains and eyes on this project, which I personally feel is utterly useless. It is just like the ACTA and SOPA, infringing on our privacy with the pretext that it protects us.

    • Daniel76 says:

      02:03pm | 22/06/11

      Yeah, quite unbelievable.

    • pay capital one credit card bill says:

      01:19am | 11/03/11

      I bookmarked this guestbook., <a >pay capital one credit card bill for you</a>, http://www.gravatar.com/paycapitalonecredits ]pay capital one credit card bill for you[/url],  2646,

    • Caseo says:

      08:20pm | 11/07/10

      is the web development and programming company that creates cost-effective custom solutions for IT projects of any degree of complexity.

    • Melissa Short says:

      05:40pm | 05/05/10

      Please sign the official paper petition guys, it’s available to print out from http://www.thecrowhouse.com/savethenet.html
      This is scheduled to be presented to parliament at the June 21st sitting, this is a real legal petition (House of Reps do not accept online petitions)
      If you are passionately against this please get behind this soon to public record, that officially opposes internet censorship in Australia.

    • Bruno says:

      02:33pm | 07/04/10

      Are there any ISP’s that offer peer 2 peer or bittorrent access without the internet bit (http or 8080)? For a cheaper price.

    • philbe2 says:

      01:17pm | 07/04/10

      Does anyone remember Neda Agha-Soltan? She was a young lady killed during the 2009 Iranian election protests. Her death was captured on videos by bystanders and broadcast over the Internet. Those videos were awarded the George Polk Award for Videography for 2009. Those videos are on the RC list. An Australian site linking to them risks an $11,000 fine. That the Iranian government would censor this material is obscene, but understandable. That the Australian government would seek to censor this material is simply abhorrent!

    • Ben says:

      11:37am | 07/04/10

      Eliza, this is a great summary of everything that is wrong with the proposal. Thank you for shinging light on this proposal that at best is a complete waste of money, at worse a powerful tool of Government control over information.

    • wizofaus says:

      09:45am | 07/04/10

      Like almost everyone else who even has a smidgeon of understanding about this filter, I wholeheartedly agree it would be a Bad Idea (TM).  However it’s primarily just a relatively minor waste of taxpayer funds - checking URLs against a list of 300 or so is just not going to have any significant impact on the speed of data processing on the internet unless it’s implemented in interpretive Logo or something (every URL has be to looked up via DNS anyway), and if the government really did try to use the list to block access to “politicial sensitive” material, it would very easy to demonstrate they were in fact doing so - if it this is not already unconstitutional then that sounds like a bigger problem than the fact they will be maintaining an unpublished list.
      It’s worth being pretty annoyed about, but hardly seems a vote changer all on its own.

    • SkepDadBlog says:

      08:47am | 31/03/10

      There is a simple reason that Conroy is sticking to his guns despite overwhelming opposition from the public and the international community.

      Steve Fielding.

      The Family First Senator wants the filter, and he has a deciding vote in the Senate.  The filter is just a big back-scratcher to secure crucial Senate support for the Government on other issues.

    • thomas vesely says:

      11:38pm | 08/04/10

      plots within plots,every scoundrel benefits,i despair….

    • thomas vesely says:

      06:55pm | 27/03/10

      i believe that if the filter was in place,we the electorate would know less about;
      the faulty submarines
      the useless helicopters
      the non war worthy battleships
      the myki fiasco
      the $250 million tax break for tv owners
      the $450,000 jobs to mates
      the aboriginal housing disgrace
      etc+etc+etc.
      dont let this happen,as there is no way back once implemented…........

      do not give these power clingers the right to deny you the knowledge.they,who use media consultants,would not hesitate to ban that which would reduce their re election chances.to believe otherwise is naive.”

    • Bob says:

      06:38pm | 26/03/10

      @Jagger

      “One of the dealbreakers was this very filter”

      How do you know this filter has anything to do with China deals? Link please.

    • Darryl Price says:

      06:31pm | 26/03/10

      Another folly, courtesy of the motherhood approach to government.. Government has to give us jobs, give us insulation, give all kids a computer, give every single school an edifice, give, give give, handout, handout, handout. Screw me, have they heard of any of the commercially available antivirus programmes?. If you can afford to have your kids on the net, you can afford one of these. Some are even free. We run an internet security programme, and my kids have never seen anything inappropriate on the net other than some stories on Ninemsn I would rather they hadn’t seen. How about giving us the economic and legislative conditions such that those of us of reasonable means and can afford to look after ourselves do so, and leave enough in the pot to help the rest of the less well situated?

    • Jagger says:

      05:51pm | 26/03/10

      See the celebration of the massive billion dollar trade deal with China in the news today?

      One of the dealbreakers was this very filter.  That way, China can turn to nations like the US and say “see, we’re not so bad, even Australia has an Internet censor.”

    • Neil says:

      02:39pm | 26/03/10

      A simple proxy or vpn will get around the filter. That’s all it takes. $44 million wasted. Put that money toward police if you’re genuinely looking to curb access to illegal and objectionable material!! I just wish the average person understood how stupid this is! Kevin Rudd and Stephen Conroy - WAKE UP!

    • Ani't it the truth says:

      02:00pm | 26/03/10

      Lie #2 is not a lie at all. The proposed Refused Content URL blacklist filter will not slow end-user speeds because it is not filtering graphic content, but only URLs. The successful test on moderate speed connections is scalable to be as big as you like, and will still not slow performance for end users, taking only a couple of milliseconds per page requested, compared to typical ping times of 50 to 300 milliseconds plus the variable remote server response time to generate and deliver the requested page.

    • Harold says:

      07:20pm | 26/03/10

      You seem to misunderstand the issue.

      Ordinarily, a user requests a URL; the request goes through the ISP and out to the server. ISP infrastructure is built to handle exactly this scenario and scales just fine.

      The filter changes that. Most of the time, a request will be let through as normal. But as soon as a URL is requested that happens to share the same IP address as a known blocked URL, it has to be diverted to the filter box, so that the filter can examine the full URL and decide whether to block it or not.

      Now if the IP address in question doesn’t normally get many hits anyway, then there’s not a lot of traffic being diverted to the filter box. But if, for example, a YouTube URL is blocked (and there are some that will!), that means that every single URL request for YouTube has to be diverted to the filter box for processing. Not just the URL you see in the address bar, either: every single image, stylesheet, script, and so on. On YouTube itself, that’s about 20 items per page. Twenty URL requests per pageview, per person.

      The filter boxes are not built for that kind of traffic. Two of the suppliers - Watchdog NZ and Marshal 8e6 - have already admitted that their products are not fit for this purpose. Peter Mancer of Watchdog NZ has even gone as far as to recommend that sites like YouTube be whitelisted, so that the censorboxes don’t have to deal with them at all.

      Rudd wants to filter RC material.
      There is RC material on YouTube.
      YouTube can’t be filtered without bringing down the filter itself.

    • Scott W says:

      08:25am | 26/03/10

      Its annoying to say the least. Even though we will be able to illegally bypass the filter easily were still squandering millions of dollars on this system to see our already dismal internet speeds slowed and the perverts and paedophiles continue getting away with what they have been doing all along. Its such a short sighted approach. I can’t believe so many people remain blind to an attack on our freedom in Australia.

    • Ralph says:

      08:01am | 26/03/10

      How does a site once banned get off the banned list? After all, as it is filtered no one can visit it to verify it is ok. Does this mean the government has their own unfiltered feed? One internet for the government and one for ‘the people’ sounds a larger issue than the filter itself.

    • PeterD says:

      07:56am | 26/03/10

      It’s not about protecting children.  It’s about total control of communication channels. 

      Control of content through a ‘filter’ and control of delivery through a broadband fibreoptic network will mean Rudd never has to be concerned again that public information will interfere with his schemes, as in the role of the internet in undoing the ‘climate change’ fraud that is the rationale for the Emissions Trading Scheme tax rort.

      Protection of children is parental responsibility that cannot and may not be delegated or abrogated.

    • Ritchie says:

      06:57am | 26/03/10

      Conroy is up for re-election at the next election.  Regardless of whether you vote Labor, Liberal or otherwise, put him last on your preferences,

    • Harold says:

      07:17pm | 26/03/10

      He’s a Victorian Senator, so Victorians are the only people who will be able to vote him out. In order to do this, you have to make sure to Vote Below the Line on the Senate ballot paper.

      Of course, you should be doing this, anyway.

    • Andrew says:

      11:38pm | 25/03/10

      In Australia, we do not trust our politicians sufficiently to allow them to go ahead with this thoughtless crassness unhindered. Nor should we: politicians are to be scrutinised and opposed, not trusted. If this goes through, I can only hope it ends in failure massive enough to see its author resign in disgrace.

    • Old Mate says:

      11:11pm | 25/03/10

      Just a point that no one else seems to have made.

      It just won’t work, simple as that. I lived in China for 3 years -  they have what’s been claimed to be the most sophisticated internet filtering system in the world -  Many, many things are blocked, including the BBC, Twitter, Facebook and YouTube -  and yet, no one has any problem accessing them, and i recieve daily updates from my friends in China via facebook about whatever is going on.
      The 45 million or so that is supposedly slated at this thing in Australia will pale to what China spends on theirs…  and theirs doesnt work for anyone who has half a brain to find a way around it (and from experience, any tech Savvy Chinese person knew how to do it)  -  If the rumoured “30,000” Chinese police who are slated to ONLY watch the internet in china cant do it, what possible chance does it have of working here?

    • Ken Mathie says:

      10:21pm | 25/03/10

      Google had a gut full of China, perhaps the bosse at Google could give Conroy and Rudd a little of their own medicine and a quick shakeup. One idea would be for Google, in fact all major search engines, to NOT index any labour party webpages, including those on Twitter and Facebook.

      After all there are parents out there who believe some of Conroys policy in itself to be unsuitable reading for children.

      I am 63, have 4 children and 6 grandchildren. I never asked nor expected the Government of the day to take responsibility for how my children were raised. My grandchildren all use my home PC and I assure Mr Conroy. They DO NOT access porn or pedoflies.

      I personally filter (keep a close eye on) what sites they visit and play games on. I would expect that any parent who did not control the activities of a minor on a home PC, would be guilty of child neglect.

      Dear Mr Rudd and Conroy… Spend the 40+ million where it’s most needed, on the homeless and hospitals. And leave parents with the resp[onsibility of protecting and raising their children.

      Ken Mathie.
      Darwin NT.

    • bazza says:

      10:40pm | 24/04/10

      coun’t agree more.

    • BundyGil says:

      10:07pm | 25/03/10

      Conroy has painted himself into a corner on this one. We can only hope he doesn’t get it through cabinet, caucus, and if that fails, the senate.
      He seems to be totally impervious to criticism and logic.
      Even if he does read this article, he will rationalise it totally to read that it supports his stance.
      Pity there’s no current government reshuffle where he could be shuffled off to be minister in charge of stationary.

    • alex of nsw says:

      09:01pm | 25/03/10

      here’s an interesting fact. Conroy has NEVER worked within the it industry. yet he feels he is qualified to tell people who DO work in that business what works and what doesn’t.
      that’s like a blind person giving a driving lesson.

    • Mr Pastry says:

      08:36pm | 25/03/10

      I can almost hear Conroys’ internet consultants lips smacking at the super generous fees to be milked from the taxpayers purse.  Conroy is a dream client,  he wants something that won’t work,  doesn’t matter if it stuffs up what is there already and charge what you like. 
      Dumb politicians - don’t ya just love voting for them.

    • jayne says:

      06:04pm | 25/03/10

      I never knew about VPN’s until the issue of this filter came up. So now I have been educated in how to surf the net with less worry about what I might be doing. Great stuff Conroy as I am only a suburban mum that emails and chats with friends and has little interest in subversive porn but who happens to have an adolescent body type so that photos of me would fall under the child porn stuff.

    • Robert Smissen of Rural SA says:

      04:47pm | 25/03/10

      Petrol watch, grocery watch & now computer watch, when will these hopeless cretins learn? ? The bit that REALLY PISSES ME OFF is that it is taxpayers money that they are wasting.

    • Paul says:

      04:22pm | 25/03/10

      They say it will only filter “RC” content. But watch how quickly a filter will quickly remove sites about “Bypassing the AU Internet Filter”.

    • CMB says:

      04:12pm | 25/03/10

      its the end of democracy when the voice of an entire nation is overshadowed by the voice of one man.

    • penguin says:

      03:51pm | 25/03/10

      The only reason why this policy is even around was because some kid hacked the net nanny program. Considering the kid called himself a actual hacker. not every kid knows how to do it. I do admit that it does seem a bit pointless as I read how to bypass the filter myself. But why is everyone making out its a big giant surprise?  I knew about it before the election why didn’t anyone else?

      Everyone says its the parents job too see what they are doing online rah rah rah. Are these people actual parents ? Do they have time to do it not everyone does. Alot of parents aren’t even around my parents weren’t if yours were/are congrats have a cookie. 
      Its better to block some then to block nothing.or atleast try. I say give it a full scale trial for a bit if it does epicly fail then get rid of it.

    • Timbo says:

      07:29pm | 25/03/10

      @ penguin

      If you read what ppl are saying, they are saying the parents need to be aware of where their children are going on the ‘net and installing some sort of appropriate filtering on the PC, and LEARNING how to use that filtering effectively, so the adult can feel safe and the child can BE safe, as far as that can be done with the ‘net. They are not saying that parents need to be over their shoulders every minute they’re on the PC.

      Having the Gov’t maintain some secret list of sites/pages is NOT the way to do it, particularly when they are not looking at the main distribution channels for this stuff (peer-to-peer, torrents, etc). Like the whole art vs kiddie porn debate, this is (yet) another double-edged sword that can be just as easily used against us as used to “protect” us.

    • Chris L says:

      06:30pm | 25/03/10

      Penguin, you are welcome to let politians decide what sites you can visit at their whim. They are not welcome to decide for me.

    • Speedy says:

      02:55pm | 25/03/10

      Frommmemory, I read recently that in about 2008, Google stopped counting the number of webpages online. They stopped when they hit 1 trillion pages (Not a trillion websites, a trillion pages). They gave upo counting how many pages are created every day. (Not indexed, created)

      IF a department was formed to police the URL list, they would not be able to scan the exisiting pages already online, never mind the new pages being created eaxh day.

      There is no way a URL blocking master list can work. (Even China does not try that, they use other methods, such as key word etc scans.)

      Also, the filter will block “ilegal” material, and I also hear “Material that can cause harm to children” (Not sure who said that though).  Who decides this? Cooking can cause harm to children.. do we ban Iron Chef?

    • Michael_S says:

      02:47pm | 25/03/10

      ...The title should be 10 reasons why Senator Conroy is the Internet Villain for 2009.

      I find it amazing that a person with little understanding of what they’re really doing, is so determined to push on with it!

    • vic says:

      02:14pm | 25/03/10

      Abbott will NEVER come out and say he supports this, simply because he knows it’s a vote killer. He knows the filter won’t work, but he wont DARE alienate the religious fundamentalists by saying he’ll scrap it.
      Unfortunately, while muppets like Formersnag are out there, Conroy will get backing for his scam.
      Formersnag The Child Protector, YOU ARE SO WRONG IT’S FUNNY

    • hayythere says:

      01:50pm | 25/03/10

      Let’s say that the filter can actually filter all the child porn on the internet today. There are so many new internet sites being created every second, if someone really wanted to look at this material I’m sure there would be some site that the filter is not blocking because it is so new.

      Besides the fact that it might block some WWW sites, there are so many other avenues to download digital materials off the internet. If the WWW becomes too difficult other ways will just become more mainstream. P2P, private websites, private FTP sites, private torrent sites, VPN, proxys… the list goes on. If the nerds want to porn they will get the porn….

    • Nick says:

      03:35pm | 25/03/10

      See this is the problem. Abbott won’t dump the policy.

      Rudd and Conroy could well be defeated at the next election. Abbott gets in, the whole thing starts again.

    • papachango says:

      03:23pm | 25/03/10

      The Liberals dissapoint me on this. They should prove they’re really liberal and vehemently oppose censorship.
      I only hope Abbott is saving it for the election to whack Rudd with, but I wouldn’t bank on it given his social conservatism.

    • DG says:

      01:36pm | 25/03/10

      As many readers would be aware I am a bit to the left on many issues in the political arena. I lead with this disclaimer because the next line is something I, and many others, would expect from the right of politics:

      What the hell is Rudd thinking? Yes I know that this is “Conroy’s Filter” and Rudd has done a bloody good job at distancing himself from it. But the buck must stop with the head of the party. Either he has to speak out against Conroy or he needs to stand beside him.

      Why doesn’t he have the balls to stand up and put Conroy back in his box?  With the exception of the Government I have yet to read anything that is pledging undying support to the Government’s plan. If that isn’t enough of a warning for the current government on this issue what can they possibly be thinking of?

    • Sam says:

      01:33pm | 25/03/10

      I am a 17 year old student, i could tell you many ways of bypassing such filters. It is out there. Just like ban on alcohol for under 18’s there is always a way to get it, illicit drugs like ecstacy and heroin. They are still available to the greater public. I attend a private school, and even studying media in our class we are unable to view even the closest of relevant sites.
      I find that this is unacceptable and the government is getting more greedy and power hungry then necessary..

    • Henry Akroyd says:

      01:26pm | 25/03/10

      It’s the ALP’s and Kevin Rudd’s filter.  All the millions spent on it have been endorsed by the Krudd ALP Federal Government.

      KRudd - the ultimate control freak. 

      How anyone can justify voting Labor is beyond me.  Sadly as the election in SA proved despite failed government, high taxes, corruption and constant attempts to restrict freedoms - rusted on Labor voters will never see sense.

    • Sam says:

      12:47pm | 25/03/10

      The point of implementing a non-effective filter is to set a precedent for some sort of internet monitoring by the government, I don’t think stopping child-porn is their priority here. In an age of concern about terrorism, the government needs a reason to monitor people under the guise of stopping child-porn. They know it won’t work (as a filter), but the first step in monitoring a population is to accumulate a database of ip addresses and then gradually group them according to levels of interest in certain topics (say: bomb making for example). I think the Federal Police already have the power to do this for suspects, but they can’t receive “leads” until a suspect is reported, whereas a computerised reporting system could provide the leads that will allow them to stay ahead of the game.

      I’m all for it, it’s just a shame they have to deceive us in order to protect us from the naivety of civil libertarians. Just my opinion, I could be mistaken!

    • Dan says:

      04:12pm | 26/03/10

      Naivety of civil libetatians? Why, because they aren’t willing to give up civil liberties at the drop of a hat?!

    • Chris L says:

      06:32pm | 25/03/10

      That would be a good point Sam if the whole paranoia over terrorism did not so resemble the “Reds under the beds” paranoia and the “Germans nailing kittens to church doors” paranoia.

    • Jay says:

      12:43pm | 25/03/10

      Equal to 300 AFP officers put into operation. Imagine that many working on tracking child sex offenders within Australia alone. Bloody hell.

    • Jay says:

      12:33pm | 25/03/10

      Anyone who thinks this filter will work more fool them.
      Seeing my tax money getting wasted on something that is rubbish.

    • Elizabeth E says:

      12:12pm | 25/03/10

      I am a computer filter ignoramus, I don’t go anywhere I would need a filter. But I am prepared to accept one if Australian parents want or feel the need to monitor their children. I understand there are risks online today.
      I Google sometimes and come here and go a gaming website but thats the extent of my computer wanderings. I don’t have the time or the energy to waste downloading much and I have no interest in sex websites much preferring the real thing.

    • Jason Bennett says:

      01:05pm | 25/03/10

      But then you run the risk of parents being lulled into a false sense of security. Let me be very clear, kids are more at risk from going to a chatroom and being groomed into sending/receiving naughty pictures than they are from stumbling across some regular adult pornography.

      Parents will assume the filter will do the babysitting online and kids will pay the price for the Government’s mistake.

    • TB says:

      11:30am | 25/03/10

      In regards to lie number 4, the author forgot to mention just how farcical the trial was - the trial had no success criteria whatsoever, and then Conroy had the audacity to say “Yep, it works just fine.”

    • Sam Chowder says:

      11:02am | 25/03/10

      They can have their filter once they remove all the porn already available in Canberra.

    • Phillip Molly Malone says:

      10:51am | 25/03/10

      Just wondering if the author will take the time to write the top 10 lies that the No Clean Filter spread?
      People there is FUD on both sides of this debate. A lot of the points that are raised are irrelevant as the government have said there not going to filter sites like Youtube,etc (just to touch on one point).

      Also on the point of comparing this filter to China, etc, (to use the author of this posts own words/phrase) “OK, so that’s a little bit true” but the biggest difference between the filters is the list. By the authors own point, the stuff to be filtered is already filtered off line and there isn’t huge out cries about that!

      I have said for sometime now, the List is the filter and the process that it is put together and maintained is the most important part. Also, well the list can’t be published and there for is partially secret, the fact if you are blocked you will know about it means that it isn’t done by stealth and so the thought that they will just block discussion of issues they want (i.e. Chinas method) means that isn’t going to happen.
      JMTC and to be honest, I don’t care as this will not effect me to any great degree!

    • Chris L says:

      06:27pm | 25/03/10

      You don’t care as this will not effect you? Well, first they came for the Jews and I didn’t care because….
      Oh, I strive not to invoke Godwin’s law, but this situation actually demands it. This may not be such a drastic move, but it has such potential to lead to drastic outcomes. A secret “black list” which is not even open to judicial review! Do you really trust politicians with this?

    • Nick says:

      10:52am | 25/03/10

      This policy is more embarrassing than anything. Other countries are laughing at us.

      Conroy said last night they have identified about 350 websites. 350 sites for 44 million dollars - over 100,000 dollars a site. For that price the sites aren’t even shut down. How many Australians look at these sites? Probably a handful.

    • Mike says:

      10:43am | 25/03/10

      The thing that scares me abt the filter is the obvious political intent. Various anonymous ‘Mrs Grundies’ will be able to nominate sites for blackballing. So far, the Australian Christian Lobby/League (can never remember what the L stands for) are running up a list of stuff they want banned, which features all the usual stuff you’d imagine - gay/feminist/atheist/etc. There is no process to determine who reviews these requests and for what reasons. That scares the crap outta me.

    • A Dose of Reality says:

      11:02am | 25/03/10

      This is obviously the real issue.  Every oppressive regime in the world starts off with a process that has “only potential” to start with.  It is the potential that is scary.

    • Bitcloud says:

      10:39am | 25/03/10

      Lie #5: This plan is no different to what is already done with books and films.

      This isn’t a little bit true. It’s completely false.

      For it to be “no different”, the current system would necessarily open every package sent through Australia Post, and listen in to every phone call, and read every text message, and surveil every human interaction.

      Margaret Throsby wouldn’t be holding a screening of Ken Park… she’d think about showing up before being held in cuffs.

      The proposal is a DRAMATIC departure from existing legislation. Existing legislation allows courts to rule suspicion that someone might have illegal content on their computer, and lets police draft a warrant. Existing legislation provides tools to deal with the problem. This proposal on the other hand dramatically alters what we know about privacy, freedom of communication, and what the US refers to as the universal human right “The Freedom to Connect”

    • Dena says:

      10:23am | 25/03/10

      This has to be the most ill-informed and poorly articulated post against the mandatory internet filter I’ve ever seen - proof again that Get Up isn’t doing their homework and are just trying to ride popular issues and look like they are leading them.

      Particularly disagree with you saying there is any truth in number 5 - they aren’t even vaguely comparable - books and films are rated by the classification board, in an open and transparent process with detailed explanations for the decison and clear lines of appeal.  Websites are (currently) blocked by some bureaucrat in ACMA, not the classification board or the OFLC, in secrecy without any oversight, transparency or accountability.

    • alf says:

      02:06am | 26/03/10

      ....what? Poorly informed? Poorly articulated?

      Someone’s trying to pretend that a reasonable person with all the facts will actually approve of this abomination of a policy in a democratic nation.

    • John says:

      10:22am | 25/03/10

      Very good article, concur with all points made.  Given the primary goal is to protect our children, the key point is that this responsibility should rest with parents and home & PC-based controls.  Providing education to parents via schools etc and free supportive tools (which the Government already does) should be the main strategy.  ISPs could play a secondary supporting role to some degree, but let’s not shift responsibility from where it mainly lies.

    • Matfav says:

      10:09am | 25/03/10

      Eliza said it clearly ” A mandatory filter would give the government permission to scrutinise a space which is both public and private in a way current censorship laws could never allow.”  That is why they don’t care if the filter works or not.  Filtering the internet is not its true purpose.

    • Kim says:

      12:04pm | 25/03/10

      I’m making a tinfoil hat as I read this.  Then I’m going to go and hide under my bed.

    • Michael says:

      09:54am | 25/03/10

      Let me preface this comment by saying that I am completely against mandatory ISP level filtering. Those who are saying that this is purely a Labor problem, remember that before the election, both parties wanted to introduce this level of filtering. I was on a working panel that was studying the feasability of both options and believe it or not,  the Liberal plan at the time was even more restrictive.

    • freespeech says:

      09:54am | 25/03/10

      It’s hard to get too worked up on one of the few Labor policies that won’t waste billions, burn your house down, kill people, raise the price of everything you need to live or make our industry internationally uncompetitive.

      Sure it’s a waste of money.
      Sure it’s easy to work around.
      Sure it’s a restraint on free speech.
      Sure it will slow down the net, but on a scale of recent Labor debacles it is really low. It is one of their best managed programs so far, it has cost a few million and after a few years of talking about it, they haven’t introduced it yet. Compared to their other efforts that makes Conroy a superstar.

    • Well-Educated says:

      09:46am | 25/03/10

      Lie #5 is NOT ‘a little bit correct’ as you claim!  Censored books, films, games etc ALL have their names and, more importantly, the reason(s) for their classification displayed on the commonwealth government web site (OFLC).  Without releasing all of these details for their blacklist, Conroy (Rudd) is lying - THIS IS THE BIGGEST LIE OF ALL MILLION OF THEM!

    • dancan says:

      09:39am | 25/03/10

      Just as you said Eliza.  If only the huge waste of money this filter will cost Australia not only with its initial setup but its ongoing maintenance, if that money was spent on more police resources we’d achieve so much more.

    • Dave Sag says:

      09:32am | 25/03/10

      There is a wonderful little piece of open source softwre called TunnelBlick (released by Google I believe) that we use as a standard tool to connect to our company’s Virtual Private Network (VPN - I way of allowing mobile and home workers to access data on our corporate servers, share calendars etc)  That same software, which is free, and which takes even a non-techie about 5 minutes to set up, (or indeed any VPN system in fact) will bypass all of this internet filtering nonsense by just allowing you to create a tunnel into one of the many systems operated in open countries like, erm, the USA, anywhere in the EU, or basically anywhere except China, Iran and a few other closed and paranoid regimes.

      See http://code.google.com/p/tunnelblick/wiki/UsingTunnelblick
      and http://www.google.com.au/search?q=how+to+bypass+internet+filters+using+vpn

      We already have laws against child porn and all manner of other nasties.  We already have national security laws that protect our nation’s secrets.  A flawed technological solution is not going to help enforce those laws.

      However the plan as proposed is a great first step if you are planning a wide-scale system to snoop on the private lives of your citizens. Is this really the agenda that is driving the filtering plan?  How does the online filtering plan relate to the national broadband network?  I am a fan of the NBN plan but am suspicious of the government’s intentions in this regard.  Should I go make myself a tinfoil hat now grin

      This Orwellian plan must be opposed by all Australians concerned about free speech and the right to privacy.  Opposing the filter plan does not make one an advocate of online nasties or breaches of national security; and it is shameful of the government to imply that.

    • Timbo says:

      09:28am | 25/03/10

      Parents can no longer afford to keep their heads in the sand with all this stuff. The “filtering” needs to happen in the home with the parents - the ‘net is not some great big playground for kids to romp through whereever/whenever they like.

      Home-based filtering - particularly with a application that lets you maintain the black/white list of sites that the children can visit - is the best way to go. The one we use at home makes a noise and shows a block page when it blocks something - we can then chat to the children about where/why they want to see a particular site, and make a choice on whether it’s ok (or check the site ourselves). It keeps a log of where the browser has been, which we check, and we change the parental password regularly.

      The Gov’t should take the 44 mil and push it into computer/internet education for parents and highschool age kids - show them exactly what the ramifications can be of posting that boozy pic to your facebook account, or writing that abusive email, but also show them what tools are out there to keep things safe/under control.

      “Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day, teach a man how to fish and you feed him for a lifetime” - teach people how to use the ‘net safely and you don’t need stupid ideas like ISP filtering.

    • Mark says:

      09:20am | 25/03/10

      What 80% want it ? the fluff that the hungry beast pooped out on to the screens?.

      The facts is we DONT want it.

    • fester says:

      09:23am | 25/03/10

      The comparison would be that RC materials can be posted to Australia via AusPost, if not labelled ‘Beastiality Mags’. Should AusPost be responsible for opening every parcel to make sure nothing that traverses its service is RC?

      Next Question: If the government is locking down Child Porn sites, and as such, is taking responsibility for this protection - and I manage to view one - does that then make them legally responsible for not restricting the information? In the same way that if I board a plane with a weapon after getting it through security, the terminal staff would be fired ...

      Should hardware stores vet all customers of Ladders as they are known to be used in robberies?

      If the Govt is taking responsibility for this, which I wholly disagree with, then they should take responsibility for EVERYTHING which is illegal that they do not prevent.

    • Mark Newton says:

      10:10am | 25/03/10

      The Government won’t be putting child porn sites on the blacklist.

      They know the blacklist will be leaked eventually.  If they put child porn sites on it, that’ll be functionally equivalent to advertising their URLs on the front page of the DBCDE website.

      The only URLs that’ll be “safe” to put on the blacklist are URLs for legal content which Aunt Gladys from Cootamundra wants to ban.

        - mark

    • AkiraDoe says:

      09:21am | 25/03/10

      I like the points you have constructed, however a little fact missed with “Lie #7: The filter will not make the internet more expensive.” is out of that $44million the Government have put aside for the ISP filtering, there is no guarantee that any of that is going to ISPs to help fund the implementation costs.

      In fact according to the Department of Broadband, Communication and the Digital Economy’s own FAQ’s on ISP Filtering, they are expecting the ISPs to fund the implementation themselves,

      From here http://www.dbcde.gov.au/funding_and_programs/cybersafety_plan/internet_service_provider_isp_filtering/isp_filtering_live_pilot/isp_filtering_-_frequently_asked_questions:

      “6. Who will meet the costs of implementing mandatory ISP-level filtering?

      Introduction of filtering by ISPs in other western democracies has been achieved without funding assistance from governments. There is no reason why Australia’s ISPs cannot do the same.”

      So ISPs are to absorb the cost (both big and small) of implementation and maintenance meaning the only way they can do that without taking a hit in their profit margins (which are pretty cut throat as it is) they’ll pass the cost on to us.

    • out says:

      09:06am | 25/03/10

      lol, no matter how hard the media push the anti filter barrow 80% of the population still want it.
       
      those are the facts that matter.
       
       
       

    • Harold says:

      10:16am | 25/03/10

      If you’re referring to the Hungry Beast poll, you’ll note that 80% of people responded favourably to blocking the subset of Refused Classification content that was explained to them during that phone poll. They were not properly informed of the true extent of RC.

      Add to that the fact that an even higher percentage within the same poll demanded that the list *not* be secret, and you’ll realise that the majority of those polled plainly do not support the Government’s policy at all.

    • rudbbot says:

      10:01am | 25/03/10

      What’s you source?

    • 47% says:

      10:01am | 25/03/10

      Wrong. 80% of a sample of the population want it. Let’s not forget the biased nature of the question that was actually asked in the survey as well as who they were asking.

    • fester says:

      09:26am | 25/03/10

      Right, Referendum.
      If we have to have one over Federally Controlled Health, lets have one over Freedom of Information Movement

    • mish says:

      09:18am | 25/03/10

      Out - I’m curious as to where you got that figure of 80% of the population wanting the filter?

    • Verity Pravda says:

      08:55am | 25/03/10

      I’m only going to focus on what you assert is lie number 5.  The point is conceded that the content designated by the policy cannot be lawfully sold or distributed in other forms.  A distinction is then drawn between the distribution in those forms and the “filter” impeding “one-to-one” communication.

      In reality the policy is not for a filter - it is more technically a policy of “web page blocking”.  That significantly changes both what it is and how it operates. 

      As an example the Government has satisfied itself that the high volume sites referred to have their own content management regimes that actually can be relied upon and provide an exemption from the blocking regime.  Unfortunately the media beat up over Facebook the other day allowed this to be converted into a Conroy assertion that he would order it to be taken down and it would.

      In fact the major high volume sites are promoting a voluntary campaig to achieve the same objectives.

      One of the more terrifying submissions to the DBCDE inquiry on transparency was one from an academic who argued that the RC rules were too restrictive because they would block a Japanese cartoon form of child pornography, which is supposedly OK because it is legal in Japan.  Thankfully this week’s The Economist notes that the Japanese themselves are reviewing their own approach.

      Most of the accusations of “lies” rely upon a misrepresentation of the policy.

    • Matthew W says:

      11:01am | 25/03/10

      Verity Pravda, the bill you are talking about was the hilariously titled “Non-existent Youth” bill which was to restrict the sale of any comic book or animation that had sexually provocative, “visual depictions” of characters who sound or appear to be younger than 18 years old in Metropolitan Tokyo only. This bill is so vague it would affect just about every animation screening on Japanese TV and most comic books. The backlash was pretty incredible with hundreds of voice actors, comic book artists and animation creators like co-creator of the family favourite comic and animation “Doremon”, Fujiko Fujio A, and the world’s most successful female comic book artist Rumiko Takahashi (Ranma ½, Inu Yasha, Maison Ikkoku, Urusei Yatsura) voicing their disproval of the plan. Add in all of the major publishers in Japan who also voiced their disgust at the bill. Note that the bill doesn’t stop the sale of animated or comic versions of “child porn” (just visual sexual depictions of characters that may look or sound like they are under 18 to those why are aged under 18. If you are over 18, you can buy them) and that high rating family themed shows like “Crayon Shin-chan” and “Doremon” (a show that has been loved by three or four generations of Japanese children) would be effected, the bill is a complete disaster area. The bill has been put on hold until June.

      Also Verity, the titles that will be effected are the same kind you can legally buy here in Australia (rated PG to MA15+ by the Classification Board). One can only question why law abiding citizens have to be turned into criminals by law just because they may have an animation or comic book that contains an image of a character that “may” look like they under 18 engaged in some sort of sexual activity. It’s nuts. The police need to spend their time on real sexual abuse crimes, not fictional ones.

      And as for the claim “the Government has satisfied itself that the high volume sites referred to have their own content management regimes that actually can be relied upon and provide an exemption from the blocking regime”. Well that’s not true. There are three links on the last ACMA blacklist that was leaked which are Youtube, all relating to euthanasia. All are considered RC under Australian law. However when Conroy met with Google over removing RC Youtube videos for Australians, and Google said no way. In fact Conroy even when as far as saying; “Google at the moment filters an enormous amount of material on behalf of the Chinese government; they filter an enormous amount of material on behalf of the Thai government.” To which Iarla Flynn of Google said his comments were not “helpful or relevant”.

    • Mark Newton says:

      10:08am | 25/03/10

      Verity, the point ISN’T conceded that the content at issue here “cannot be lawfully sold or distributed in other forms.”

      The guidelines for RC in films (which is what the Government uses for the Internet) are different from the guidelines for RC in printed matter.  Consequently there’s a wide gamut of material which is lawful to sell, exhibit and distribute in an offline form which is RC online.

      If one takes one of those R18+, X18+ or unclassified publications and scans them into a PDF, they suddenly become RC on the Internet.

      You know this.  You’re being highly misleading by pretending that anything the Government is doing here is equivalent to what happens in offline media.

      This is one of the reasons why the classification system is such a complete mess, and why our politicians would be better off focusing on classification reform than trying to stretch a broken regulatory regime over the Internet.  The current classification scheme is several decades old and was never intended to cover the internet, there’s virtually no hope that applying it to online content is going to be successful.

      The high-volume sites backdown that Conroy is in the process of undertaking makes a mockery of his entire policy.  First he said that he was going to ban “ACMA Prohibited Content,” then following an outcry he watered it down to “Refused Classification”.  In October 2009 he presented answers in the Senate to Questions on Notice from Senator Scott Ludlam promising that there’d be absolutely no exception to any RC content, drawing specific attention to YouTube copies of the Peaceful Pill Handbook—Then last night on the 7pm Project he said that actually there will be exceptions after all.

      So he now has a policy which, EVEN IF IT WORKS 100% CORRECTLY won’t be able to block the RC content he said in the Parliament that he’s targeting.

      So we’ll have content which is classified in offline media… but RC online and blocked… unless it’s on a high volume site… in which case even if it’s RC it’ll be perfectly fine…?  Good god, what a mess.  Is this how serious public policy is supposed to be developed?

      As for Associate Professor Mark McLelland’s submission:  He didn’t say that the graphic fiction that forms the basis of his studies is legal _in Japan_, he pointed out that it’s legal literally everywhere in the industrialized world EXCEPT AUSTRALIA.  You may find it horrifying, but if you read his submission you’ll see that they have fan conventions about this stuff in San Francisco, and seem none the worse off for it.  Art has always been controversial, sometimes it’s SUPPOSED to be controversial: Even in this day and age people advocate figleaves for nude statues, and covering up the breasts of Lady Justice in courtrooms.  While you may personally be revolted by it (having not seen it, presumably), many others will likely have a genuine, harmless, heart-felt interest in it, In a free country why should your aesthetic run roughshod over theirs?

        - mark

    • Harold says:

      10:06am | 25/03/10

      The policy as stated is to block web pages where the content has been Refused Classification. This includes YouTube videos, such as a documentary by the 70k graffiti “crew.”

      YouTube have given no indication whatsoever that they will remove this content, or that they will prevent Australian users from accessing it.

      So clearly, this “high traffic site” refuses to comply with the Government’s policy (rightly so).

    • Aramane says:

      02:46pm | 25/03/10

      Don’t appeal to Conroy, the guy is a pleb. Present your case for other members of parliament - make them aware that this is an issue and that Conroy’s internet filter is a massive waste of tax payers money.

    • Chris L says:

      01:00pm | 25/03/10

      Don’t bother with that Jason. I emailed Conroy’s office directly and got a standard .pdf response that regailed me with the brilliance of the filter and the wonders it will achieve and did not even touch upon the points I had raised in my original email. Conroy won’t give a damn until he loses votes. This is sad for me ‘cause I mostly prefer the left over the right, but I’m thinking the LDP might be worth a shot.

    • Dave says:

      08:51am | 25/03/10

      Fantastic, well written article. Wouldn’t it be nice if the views of the majority were taken into account… no wait, that sounds like democracy

    • Louis McLennan says:

      08:45am | 25/03/10

      Adding more lies to the lies?

      Seriously some of the stuff in that list is similar to the crap that the government is saying. GetIUp can get on up and go off.

      It’s a poor idea. The Rudd government had lots of poor idea’s not only just now but before the election (such as this filter). GetUp supporters will vote ALP or Greens(ALP) so why push for change when in fact your support group is the same support of this government?

    • Robert says:

      01:40pm | 27/03/10

      The Greens are the only party that will keep the equally conservative and right-wing Labor / Liberal(sic) parties honest. Voting below the line and numbering each party ensures your preferences will not flow to Labor.

    • Mavis says:

      02:49pm | 25/03/10

      Louis and Zeta,  Conroy is Barnaby with an AK47. Why would the opposition step up and mess with a good thing when his lunatic dance is one of the best things going for them.

      Imagine Abbott’s options. If he dances with Conroy, he too is a lunatic. If he calls it for what it is, he gets pinged for supporting child molesters.

      PS: Conroy is multi-talented. Look at what he is doing with his NBN white elephant. Destroying Telstra, its workers, mums-and-dads shareholders while gutting people who have saved and are hoping that there will be something to live off left in their super-annuation? Bang, bang, bang. 

      Then, create another Telstra and flog it off to the same gullible mums-and-dads who bought the first Telstra? Puleease!

    • Louis McLennan says:

      11:23am | 25/03/10

      Oh the honour. I truly appreciate the reply(even if it is having a bit of a go). Normally it’s someone insisting I hit myself in the head until I’m down to their level.

      The coalition will avoid stating a position on it. I doubt it will even be a topic at the election because the ALP will try keep it quite to avoid the press needing to write a story on it and the other ALP(Australian Liberal Party) will also keep it quite to avoid having to state a position or better yet having to say they have no position. Much of the population is for this filter and the media appears somewhat sceptical. So both parties will likely silently nod at this one.

      Zeta, I’m not fully aware of your view point. I actually read some rather interesting books and listen to some very strange online radio. I completely agree with the “The False Left-Right Paradigm” and now people know the radio I listen to. Unfortunately politics will be picking the lesser of the evils for a while to come. Things need to get much worse before any change.

      At this point in time my electorate is actually dudd’s which means it’s also anna’s. So do excuse me if I’m backing the LNP over the ALP, Greens, Socialist Alliance, DS4SEQ (which I disagree with and kinda hate the LNP for even considering) and candidates which didn’t even have a sign or any information as to what their idea’s and thoughts were (likely very socialist given the electorate).

      I joined rejoined the LNP the other day (yep, one of those). After the federal Liberals got some backbone and started representing people again (then Abbott goes and talks about paternity leave, taxing businesses and I almost want my donation back). Let’s face it. The LDP may be slightly more suited for me. However, I think we both agree its influence in my local area is little if anything. The LNP’s influence is little if anything. However, the LNP has the structure so a pleb like me can have some sort of input. It does have seats in parliament so I feel it important that my views be ever so slightly (so slight that they aren’t) represented by the party as a whole (it’s a nice thought). Where as if I had no involvement then my views would only be represented at the ballot box and never heard. Unfortunately, I don’t think anyone will ever represent me from my area due to well… IQ40, the desire for “change”, “progress”, Che Guevara t-shirts or what ever you want to call it.

    • Zeta says:

      09:57am | 25/03/10

      Wise Louis is Wise. GetUp et al will support the Greens in the next election, who will let their preferences flow to the ALP, so voting for GetUp’s mandate/The Greens means you’re still voting for the filter which means the filter still happens. Which means we need the Coalition to state a position on it that isn’t mumbled into a microphone.

      ‘I think the puppet on the left matches my beliefs.’ ‘Really? I’m voting for the puppet on the right, he’s more to my liking.’ ‘Hey, wait a second… the same guy is holding both puppets…’

    • Matt P says:

      08:33am | 25/03/10

      There is no problem with content on the Internet. There’s a concept called “free expression of ideas”, and we tend to base our society around that.

      If you have a problem with something online, you’re absolutely free not to look at it. But this notion of ‘cleaning things up’ is a non-starter of an argument; it assumes that your standards of decency are mine and everyone elses, and it assumes that some party should be tasked with ‘cleaning it up’ in the first place.

      If there’s something illegal and genuinely harmful online (you know, something besides ‘free speech’ or ‘things a committee decided you shouldn’t see because they didn’t like it’), then that’s a matter for law enforcement.

      Crippling the Internet to maintain your sense of decency should never be on the agenda.

    • KM says:

      08:26am | 25/03/10

      If you’re anti mandatory filtering you’re pro child porn….
      I take a fence to this Conroy you are using a known wrong to bully & intimidate people. And justify Internet filtering, what a stupid and weak excuse, 98% of the population know this wrong. But it is another way for a Socialist Labor government to control its masses, limit information and spy on personal computers, if this is aloud to go through we are resigning our future to the china model of Communist rule.

    • jamie says:

      12:28pm | 25/03/10

      why are you taking a fence?

    • rudbbot says:

      09:53am | 25/03/10

      This Conroy tactic is enough of a reason for me to oppose this proposal. Never let pollies succeed with these dirty, slanderous tactics.  Even if it delays a good idea. You never know where it will lead. Bush used ‘you’re with us or against us’  for his war on terror. A war that is being bankrolled by China and will bankrupt the US. This unecessarily heavy handed tactic can suggest Conroy is hiding an alterior motive.

      Don’t ever let government drop its standards.  If Conroy doesn’t drop the proposal and then Rudd doesn’t dump Conroy then dump the Labour Government at the first opportunity. If not then Conroy’s campaign will enter the annuls of successful policy campaigns for study and copying by future politicians. The tactic will be legitimatised.

      And the first thing the Government will say after winning the next election is they have a mandate for this policy.  Like it says it has a mandate for all its policies.

      You’ll all only have your selves to blame. Liberal or Labour: I don’t care.  They’re really just two factions of the same political movement.  Most important is the quality of those we allow to be put in charge. Use that power very very carefully.

    • KM says:

      08:24am | 25/03/10

      If you’re anti mandatory filtering you’re pro child porn….
      I take a fence to this Conroy you are using a known wrong to bully & intimidate people. And justify Internet filtering, what a stupid and weak excuse, 98% of the population know this wrong. But it is another way for a Socialist Labor government to control its masses, limit information and spy on personal computers, if this is aloud to go through we are resigning our future to the china model of Communist rule.

    • J says:

      08:23am | 25/03/10

      I’ve said this before - the number of people who have unsecured pis of their young children on Facebook that can be looked at by anyone (firend or not) is a clear indicator of why an internet filter simply won’t work.

      Parents need to be more technologically minded - get out there and learn how to use your computer.  You can’t afford not to.  Don’t be afraid of being the ‘bad guy’ when you tell your children no, they cannot use the internet whenever they feel like it.  Don’t put computers in kids rooms.  And if you can’t be bothered to learn how to use it, then get it out of the house.

      Finally, remember that kids occasionally will see something they’re not supposed to.  It’s part of growing up.  It won’t warp their minds.  Create an honest, open communication with kids and it won’t be the end of the world.

      Child pornography is abhorrent.  But let’s not kid ourselves - these people aren’t hanging out at KiddieFiddlers.com.  It’s not as simple as clamping a muzzle on the internet.  And I don’t support the stripping of people’s freedoms in the vain hope that it’ll catch a few criminals.

    • Catter says:

      08:22am | 25/03/10

      Paedophiles have been caught in greater numbers, and in large group, international apprehensions as a result of their addiction to web based pornography. Dozens of local paedophiles have been convicted as a result of their downloads.
      Whilst this filter will have no affect on how many children are lured into these disgusting sites overseas, I fear it will reduce conviction rates of paedophiles in Australia.

    • BJ says:

      08:12am | 25/03/10

      Judging by the comments so far seems the majority of folk think the filter is a dud & complete waste of money. Are you reading this Mr. Conroy? I hope so.

    • Me says:

      08:16am | 25/03/10

      “An optional, computer level filter would be far more efficient and cost effective without handing over unnecessary power to a government body. And this is the plan that Australians actually want.”
      I have a question about home-based filters, just out of interest: aren’t the same people populating blogs like this complaining about ISP-level filtering the same people who laughed at the last government for providing Australian families with home-based filters? Isn’t it a bit hypocritical to say you’re all for home-based filters when you didn’t actually support that policy? Where was all this righteous indignation when that teenager apparently ‘disabled’ one of the previous government’s home-based filters? Why weren’t you defending the government against the mis-information of that particular incident?
      I hate government interference in people’s private lives as much as the next person, and I’m a big fan of ‘parental responsibility’, but what happens when the best efforts of parents are thwarted by toxic social forces caused by the lax parenting of others? Do we simply put up with the consequences as individuals, or do we take collective responsibility for finding and implementing a solution?
      Quite frankly I’m sick of hearing about how this policy won’t be successful in protecting children. And as the home-based filter option offered as the solution clearly won’t work, why don’t all the armchair critics actually offer some constructive options on how to clean up the cesspit that the internet has become? (Unless you think there’s nothing wrong at all with the internet, and surely then you have some real problems!)

    • LC says:

      07:24pm | 18/05/10

      “I have a question about home-based filters, just out of interest: aren’t the same people populating blogs like this complaining about ISP-level filtering the same people who laughed at the last government for providing Australian families with home-based filters? “
      I was a supporter of that plan, even though most reputable filters are superior in every way. When I voted labor in, they were proposing an opt-in filtering system. I much prefer self censorship rather than censorship orgnized by the government, even more so when no-one knows what’s being censored.

      “Where was all this righteous indignation when that teenager apparently ‘disabled’ one of the previous government’s home-based filters? Why weren’t you defending the government against the mis-information of that particular incident?”
      1. Most kids, having grown up around the technology in question, are quite tech-savvy. They are well aware of how to bypass filtering, as they reguarly do so at school and at home (in cases where ignorant parents think filters replace supervision). 2. Internet filtering is NOT a subsitute for constant parental supervision. In uncle’s house they use a router which filters the net, and records the sites visited by users. Additionallty, the computers also restrict the user’s ability to add programs. They check it’s logs against the logs on their teens computers regularly. If they are caught acsessing a porn site that means the filter has been bypassed in some way, shape or form and that means big trouble. If the porn site they visited was recorded on the router but not on thier computer that means they’ve tried to cover thier tracks by erasing history and that means BIGGER trouble. This is the kind of proactive apporach parents should be taking. If you don’t know how to manage technology in your house, then educate yourself on how to do so or get rid of it.

      “why don’t all the armchair critics actually offer some constructive options on how to clean up the cesspit that the internet has become?”
      Simple. Take the money spent on the filter and hand it over to the AFP’s Child Protection unit (imagine what they could do with the $44 million being spent on the filter, as well as the $11k per blocked website a year!). Combine this with education programs for kids (primary school kids in Japan are taught internet skills and safety) and parents, and encourge them to make use of reputable client-side filters and monitor thier child’s internet activites.

      “(Unless you think there’s nothing wrong at all with the internet, and surely then you have some real problems!)”
      So you’re one of the “If you don’t support filtering you’re a pedophile” crew. I understand. Looks like I’ve just wasted my time trying to make you see reason.

    • papachango says:

      03:06pm | 25/03/10

      We thought that free home filters were a bit of nanny statism. Basically it’s not the government’s job to bring up children, that’s parents responsibility. Parents can buy their own filters. Ultimately though you could take them or leave them so the only issue was wasting taxpayers money.

      It’s a big difference from that to censoring the web for everyone, so yes, in hindsight the optional filters are now a far better idea than the Chinese style censorship that Conroy is hell bent on unleashing.

      It’s called ‘the lesser of two evils’ - though in this case one is a minor annoyance, the other is a great evil.

      Why do you feel the need to personally clean up the Internet? Yes we know there are nasty bits,  if they cause offense just don’t look at them.

    • Chris L says:

      11:59am | 25/03/10

      I like your caveat at the end of your coment, Me. “Unless you think there’s nothing wrong at all with the internet, and surely then you have some real problems!”. In other words “If you think differently to me you are a (insert insult)”. Personally I have no objection to pornography or discussions about euthenasia or sites that poke fun at people like me or people like you. There are some sites I don’t like and guess what?... I don’t visit them. I find that when people try to impose their opinions on others it’s because those opinions aren’t worthy enough to be taken on voluntarily.

    • Derek says:

      10:10am | 25/03/10

      The claim is that home-level filtering is “better” than ISP-level filtering. This is true for a number of reasons (better targetted, doesn’t affect all users, optional). Howerver, it doesn’t mean it’s entirely effective, merely better. People ridiculed the home-based system too and it had very little take up: only 30000 copies of the Net Nanny software were requested by families; obviously it wasn’t really needed.

      If you want a constructive idea of how better to spend the money going into the filter, spend it on the federal and state police units who actively infiltrate paedophile groups and catching the individuals perpetrating the crimes. Can you imagine what these people could do with $30-40 million a year?

      Another constructive idea is to limit the filter to genuinely illegal content, such as child pornography, as Germany and Italy have done. Refused Classification material includes (as was pointed out above) quite a lot of material that is not, in fact, illegal, just not something you can put in a cinema (the Internet is judged as a ‘film’). And classification decisions differ depending on the medium, so what you can publish in a newspaper or on television (think of the news) is different to what you can publish in a cinema.

      It’s not hard to come up with better ideas if you put a little effort into it.

      The main issue is that this Federal Government seems entirely unable to accept and use any feedback it receives. It’s as if they’re saying they came up with the idea and therefore it is the best and needs no modification. Just like the ETS. I don’t know if the Liberals would be any better but I don’t seem to recall even the Howard Government being quite so stubborn about quite so many things.

    • Brian says:

      09:19am | 25/03/10

      In my case, and that of everyone I know who has formed an opinion, I strongly support free (or heavily subsidised) home filters, but not the ISP filter.  Home based filtering CAN work, when joined with good parenting. Why? Because the point of a filter is to prevent:

      1) the accidental stumbling across material that is objectionable,
      2) young children (i.e. those who are not yet tech-savvy enough to bypass it) accessing objectionable material, and;
      3) ensuring that any access of the material is a deliberate contravention of the household rules.

      1 & 2 are pretty self explanatory, but a tech-literate teenager will always be able to bypass the filters. This is where 3 comes in - if you have a filter, and come home to find Johnny looking at porn, you know that he deliberately bypassed it. He didn’t just ‘stumble’ across it curiously, and by the time your child is in their teens it is no longer feasible to watch over his/her shoulder constantly (I mean, do you feel like watching him research the effect of hurricanes on native animals? That’s how I hid it as a kid).

      Of course, these things apply just as much with ISP filtering, but the cost of ISP filtering to the majority is astronomical, and neither method will stop an adult, who has no oversight and lives alone from accessing anytyhing they want to.

    • A Bob says:

      07:50am | 25/03/10

      I would like to hear the oppositions stance on this issue. So far they have been very quiet which is a worry. Right now I’m leaning about 75% in favour of voting Labor in the coming election but a clear statement by the Libs against this would swing it back towards them.

    • TooOld says:

      10:59am | 30/04/10

      The oppositions stance will be whatever Abbott wants, full stop! This country would be in another mess if everyone decided to vote coalition, remember when Howads Govt had control of both houses, there was no checks or balances, no ability to control the Govts plans. I for one would be much happier with a person that is not a Christian, someone with no religious beliefs.

      We must have a greater number in other major parties such as the Greens, I dont mean lots of independents like Nick Xenophon and Steve Fielding whos only aim is to get their own way and to hell with the rest of the country, they can be bought for their votes as has happened. We need a strong third party to cast a watchful eye over Govt plans.

    • Joel says:

      04:29pm | 26/03/10

      Joe Hockey has stated publicly that he does not support the filter

    • J says:

      10:51am | 25/03/10

      Me too, I’d like to know the opposition’s stance on this.

      In issues polarising voters, don’t forget whaling.  That’s pissing off a lot of Labor voters too.

      I still think Labor will win the election, but by a whisker.  Certainly, it won’t be the convincing win they had in ‘07…

    • Dave says:

      10:39am | 25/03/10

      Totally agree - I can’t believe that the opposition hasn’t capitalised on the outrage caused by net censorship. The opposition doesn’t seem to agree with the plan in principle, but we’ve got little to go on there.

      I’m normally a labor / greens voter too, but I absolutely cannot and will not vote for a government that plans to censor free speech online in any shape, way or form. Totally undemocratic and un-australian.

    • LP says:

      10:11am | 25/03/10

      I agree. This issue is enough to an election decider, particularly amongst the under 45 demographic who are generally the most “tech savvy” and find the proposed censorship regime offensive.

      I suspect there are two reasons for the Liberal silence - either they agree with Conroy and want to keep that quiet, or alternatively they have decided to oppose it and are well aware that it is going to be a pretty inflammatory issue they will get political mileage from and want to pull it out closer to the election to squeeze it for all the votes its worth.

    • bucks says:

      07:41am | 25/03/10

      Gosh. What a load of recycled alarmist pap. Is The Punch just megaphone for a thousand angry tweeps?
      95% of UK web users have had ISP filtering running on their accounts since 2004. (search cleanfeed in wiki)
      Also, France (not China) is about to implement similar plans to us. (Search Loppsi)

    • Tom says:

      03:39pm | 26/03/10

      I remember using proxy servers since i was in primary school (im 21 now), to get through my schools’ internet security to download and play games, watch movies and even tested it out on porn sites… it worked lol

      Its as easy as using google and selecting one of the many proxy sites available.

    • blinded says:

      01:41am | 26/03/10

      The UK and other filters do NOT attempt to block the vague category of “Refused Classification” (RC) but are limited to only that which is actually illegal such as child p*rn. (They’re also voluntary and optional).

      Conroy’s proposal is much, much broader in scope, extremely vague and open to misuse. Read some of Google’s public statements on that subject.

    • Djinn says:

      10:04am | 25/03/10

      Well hai there Mr. Conroy. Sit back down you clown.

    • Ali says:

      09:44am | 25/03/10

      So since 95% of UK web users have had ISP filtering running on their accounts means UK is now a safe environment for your kids to use the internet?  Or that maybe all terrorist activity has seized?  By the way a quick heads up to circumnavigate the ISP filtering you can use a proxy server.  Most kids use this on the computers to watch American TV channels on-line such as HBO (which is technically legitimately available only people in America). 
      The only thing that has happened is the connection speed has gone down (even then the UK still has a much faster speed than Australia without the ISP filter) and more people using open proxy (which makes tracking the people of interest on the internet near impossible).

    • Eltnot says:

      09:14am | 25/03/10

      That’s right, the majority of UK citizens are using ISP level filters.  The key difference being that it is not mandatory.  ISP’s do not have to use filtering.  Thus, there is a minority of citizens who can detect if certain sites are being censored when they shouldn’t be.  Australia will have no such option without people breaking the law in protection of their freedoms.  Consider this situation:  The Australian government rather then dealing with a boat load of refugees through the normal channels decides instead to simply kill them all.  Any information that is then put online regarding this incident is then censored by the government leaving Australia in the dark to its own corruption.  It’s an extreme example but still a possible one.  So Mr/Mrs bucks, I suggest you think before you speak next time.

    • Jason says:

      08:49am | 25/03/10

      Yes.

      So according to your logic we should export all criminals to England (they sent them this way?) and we should behead all government officials, casue thats what the French did????

      You sir, are a complete idiot!

    • A Bob says:

      08:30am | 25/03/10

      And the same concerns have been raised about those two systems, particularly the secret nature of the list of banned sites.

    • Laura says:

      08:29am | 25/03/10

      So just because the UK and France are doing it, we should too?

      Essentially, the government wants to spend a huge amount of money putting in place a system that will not effectively do what they’ve tried to tell us it will do, and there are massive possible consequences to it. It’s not just the filter, it’s the policy that states they can blacklist any site for any reason basically without telling anyone.

      The internet is one giant communication tool which people use to debate sometimes controversial topics. If this plan was already in place, this website might be banned by now! Who would know?

      It would be one thing if the trade off for this censorship was actually protecting the children and all that. But it’s not! And individual families can easily get a filter for the individual computer that does the same thing. So why wouldn’t that be a better option?

      Essentially, there’s no good reason for the filter, but a lot of potential bad consequences. So why is the government still going ahead?!

    • Super D says:

      07:40am | 25/03/10

      Given this governments internet censorship plans - and lets be honest future governments of either pursuasion could be even worse - I cannot support the NBN.  Does anyone think having a single government network in a censorship age is a good idea?  It may have some benefits in terms of speed and efficiency but if the cost is censorship its a price we should not pay.

    • Jennyjenjen says:

      07:27am | 25/03/10

      I’ve been a labour voter all my life, and if they don’t drop this scary and ridiculous internet filter, i’m going to break my habit.
      Conroy, you are a complete let down for the left. Hopefully Lundy can stop you from doing something silly and hurting the party.

    • TooOld says:

      10:45am | 30/04/10

      I have also been a Labour voter my whole life, as are all my family. I will not be voting labour this year, and a thats a first for me! I think anyone who thinks that Abbott would be a better choice should have some long hard thoughts about that! If you watch Abbott he has no idea what he is doing, he is as an old scar left over from the Howard years. His Christian ideals scare the hell out of me, please remember his stance on the abortion pill, his judgements are based on his Christian beliefs, same with Conroy and Rudd, I dont want any leader of my country making decisions based on fairytales! I will be looking at which other candidates I will vote for, possibly Greens with no preferences given. Just wish the electoral commission would add a box at the bottom saying ‘NONE OF THE ABOVE”

    • Anne71 says:

      05:51pm | 25/03/10

      @James1, did you read my post? I said that Abbott probably wouldn’t oppose the filter because he’d alienate too many of his Religious Right supporters. @Matt - I really do hope you’re right and that he’s just keeping this one up his sleeve. He would get my vote if he opposes it, and I’m definitely not a fan at the moment.

    • wreckage says:

      05:23pm | 25/03/10

      The reason Captain Catholic won’t try to filter the Internet is simple: he’d be crucified by the media if he tried.

    • James1 says:

      02:20pm | 25/03/10

      I don’t know how opposing this would play with an important chunk of the Liberal Party base, Matt and Anne.  My impression is that the Christian lobby and its associates are right behind this scheme - indeed any scheme which purports to fight porn of any type - and it could in fact cost Abbott votes if he opposes it.  Like you say Matt, he has enough to galvanise the base - if he were to go on the attack over this issue, it would hurt him and the Labor Party both.  It will be interesting to see how it plays out.

      And honestly, people, comparing Australia to Iran or Saudi Arabia over this is akin to comparing Israel to apartheid-era South Africa.  Get some perspective.

    • Matt says:

      01:41pm | 25/03/10

      Anne71, I reckon Abbott is just keeping that one up his sleeve.  He’s got enough to run with for now (insulation, ETS, school buildings, broadband, etc) and it’s still a long way to the election.  Whenever he goes on the attack over this one, Labor will be hurting.

    • Anne71 says:

      12:53pm | 25/03/10

      Jennyjenjen, I know how you feel but so far Abbott hasn’t come out to say that he opposes the filter and will remove it or halt its installation if elected. He probably realises that too many of his churchy followers are in full support of the idea, and he’s not going to do or say anything to alienate them in an election year.  Until the Australian sheeple actually cotton onto the fact that this filter won’t do anything to prevent nasty stuff, and realise that what it actually does is control what they see or hear, no politician is going to stake his or her career on opposing it.

    • KH says:

      07:31am | 25/03/10

      I am getting so sick of the ridiculous argument that this is to ‘protect children’.  Time and time again it has been pointed out that the material the government is trying to filter is simply not passed around in a way the filter will have any effect on it.  The ‘trials’ were rubbish - I work in IT, and the only way they are really going to know if their stupid plan works, is to load test it.  They have not done this, and therefore have absolutely no idea of what the real effect will be.  My ISP was one of those testing it, and it was voluntary.  I did not participate, as I am insulted by the inference that I access restricted material, and am not capable of determining what is acceptable and what isn’t.  Who does access this stuff? What, 0.000005% of people? 1%? What are the numbers? Who is accessing this stuff? Why should everyone suffer because there are a couple of imbeciles out there? I wouldn’t even know where to look, or what to look for.  Thats because like most people, I have no interest in that kind of material.  Disturbingly, once the hidden list is created, anything could be added, including stuff that isn’t illegal - such as a website crticising the government, or that don’t agree with their agenda.  Religious nuts anyone? The government seems to be full of them these days.  Where does it end?

      The job of protecting the children belongs to their parents.  This whole policy is indicative of the general abrogation of personal responsibility in the world today.  People expect ‘the government’ to raise their children - pay for them (baby bonus, generous tax exemptions, maternity welfare, sorry, pay), educate them (not just academically, but manners, respect, right and wrong - things the parents should be doing), police them, stop them from carrying weapons to school, prevent them from getting fat, monitor their psychological well being, and so on and so on.  Well it isn’t the job of government to raise your children.  Its yours - the PARENT.  The government should only be obliged to provide facilities and information - the actual job of parenting is that of the people who have the children.

      The parents not supervising their children and letting them do what they want are the ones to blame if children are accessing this stuff, and they are also the ones who should be doing the filtering, in their own homes, where they are aware of what is going on.  If they can’t be bothered parenting, maybe they shouldn’t have children.  If they can’t be bothered to monitor their children, I would assume they don’t care, and therefore don’t need a filter. 

      I can’t believe the percentage of people interested in the worst kind of rubbish is really that big.  The money they are wasting on this filter could be better spent elsewhere.  It will do absolutely nothing to stop children from being harmed, particularly since this stuff mostly doesn’t come from Australia.  All the filter will do is make the law abiding majority very angry.

    • Matt P says:

      07:26am | 25/03/10

      Conroy’s made it clear repeatedly that he doesn’t have the technical understanding to even be in a position to make policy on this. Combine that with his refusal to listen to those that do, and you have a real problem on your hands.

      If I had to make a guess, this, like every other threat to online civil liberties right now, is at least in part inspired by the worldwide media monopolies, who are burning the midnight oil to lock down the Internet. They figured out that people aren’t willing to pay for their uncompetitive products, so instead of adapting they just go buy their laws with made-up statistics and sob-stories.

      Mark my words, once (if?) that filter goes live, expect “copyright enforcement” to be number one on that list of priorities.

      I know what Conroy says, but Conroy understands the Internet about as well as a blind man understands color theory. What he says will happen doesn’t carry a lot of weight in light of a government having that kind of unchecked power over information.

      Not that it matters; anybody that’s used a computer more than 5 minutes knows what Tor, Freenet, and VPNs are.

    • Craig says:

      07:07am | 25/03/10

      Don’t forget the claim that the filter will only block material illegal in Australia.

      In fact it will block a lot of material that is legal to own, but simply is not legal to sell. It will even block some politically sensitive topics such as euthanasia and abortion discussions and even conversations about graffiti!

      Another myth is that censoring the internet is just like censoring movies or books.

      Nothing could be further from the truth. The filtering of books and movies is easy as there are relatively few of them, they are created by a small number of people, are published by even fewer organisations and transported through predictable channels. The internet is NOT a medium in the same way, it is a carrier wave for any one of over 1.7 billion internet users to create and distribute content through a decentralised network. Less than 20% of internet traffic is via the web, 60% is peer-to-peer (which the Government does not have a filtering solution for).

      Also the internet is primarily a conversational medium. People talking to people. How does the government expect to censor every conversation? That’s not possible via telephony (which is not censored) and it’s not possible online. Most of the material the government wishes to block is transported peer-to-peer, like phone calls.

      Blocking a small amount of material just on static web pages (which can move almost instantly to unblocked locations) is as useless as it is a waste of money.

    • Seano says:

      06:43am | 25/03/10

      I would love to read Conroy’s reply as well. Excellent job at summing up the reasons why this filter is a huge was of taxpayer money.

      Lie number 8 I find particularly damning, because it shows that Conroy is not interested in listening serious and real criticisms about this project. I think Conroy’s handling of this issue has been abysmal and Rudd should lift his game and sack him.

    • Seano says:

      11:29pm | 25/03/10

      Oh a “left wing Jewish hippie”...you’ve got me convinced.

      Please stop with the “disclaimers” they don’t make you sound any more… credible.

    • Formersnag The Child Protector. says:

      02:45pm | 25/03/10

      @ Mark & Seano, i also was, “centre left” once upon a time. Then recently, i read a book, written in 1971, by a left wing, Jewish hippie.

      http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archivos_pdf/nonedarecallit_conspiracy.pdf

      its about the links between international banksters & left wing politics, even, when their policies are introduced by allegedly, right wing, governments. fascinating stuff, post GFC, could have been written yesterday.

      get all “Polly” staff stooges or “Galahs” off the net.

    • Joe says:

      02:24pm | 25/03/10

      Agree completely.
      What I can’t understand is why both party leaders are so quiet on the subject when blind Freddy can see that most Australians don’t want it. Maybe they both have the same agenda and want to see this bill passed at any cost. If that is the case, then surely we only have one party with two heads.

    • Seano says:

      02:06pm | 25/03/10

      I think this problem happens with most governments, they get on the wrong track with a bad idea and aren’t brave enough or sensible enough to say “hey we got it wrong and we’re fixing it”. To be fair opposition parties wont let you off lightly but I reckon the public would more often than not if they felt it was a genuine mistake.

    • Mark says:

      12:42pm | 25/03/10

      Believe it or not mate I am the same - well to the right obviously on most issues but I have my moments the other way.

      Heartly agree that they have got this very very wrong on so many levels. I can’t see the sense of this from any viewpoint to be honest.

      I truly am puzzled as to why they are they pursuing this. Weird.

    • Seano says:

      12:01pm | 25/03/10

      Mark, unlike some I’m not a one trick pony. Whilst I generally sit to the left on many issues I’m happy to hear reasoned argument either way. Apparently unlike many conservatives.

      On this issue the government have got it wrong.

    • Mark says:

      10:16am | 25/03/10

      Seano. I agree 100% with you here. No bias. No poking fun.

      The article is spot on with the issues.

    • Formersnag The Child Protector. says:

      06:42am | 25/03/10

      Disclaimer, i am no big fan of the liberal/national coalition.

      This will make it more difficult for police to catch paedophiles. Tracking them on “Kiddy Porn” sites has been the most successful strategy so far. Why is the red/green/labour coalition so keen to protect paedophiles?

      http://www.heineraffair.info/

      This is however, the thin end of the “Fabian Socialism” wedge. Controlling your access to good information on the Internet, your right to blog about incompetent & corrupt governments. Anybody who would vote for Comrade Conroy from the red/green/labour coalition, is masochistic.

      Get all “Polly” staff stooges or “Galahs” off the net.

    • Matt says:

      09:25am | 25/03/10

      actually the greens are the only mainstream party to come out against the filter so there goes the red/green coalition theory of yours. even abbott hasn’t taken a concrete stand either way (he’s sort of said its bad but its good at the same time,) probably because of how lie 8 could be spun.

    • Overflow says:

      05:50am | 25/03/10

      This would have to be one of the worst pieces of pubic policy ever to come before the parliament.  It fails on so many levels yet we have a minister that is intent on delivering it lets hope the Opposition and cross bench senators vote it down.  Perhaps Kate Lundy might like to cross the floor??

    • Jeremy says:

      03:41am | 26/03/10

      Pubic policy?? lol

    • WKH says:

      05:33am | 25/03/10

      Another Labor waste of money…
      Krudd = FAIL

    • LC says:

      12:34pm | 18/05/10

      @Mixtup
      Yes, most likely they will bring in penalites for circumventing it.
      No, actually catching people who do it, let alone stopping them entirely, will be not be so easy. There is no visible difference between a secure connection to a VPN and a secure connection to your bank. They could ban encypted connections for everyone except a white list of business users, but then that would kill e-banking and e-commerce, which will have repercussions on our economy. And they know it, so it’s not gonna happen.

    • Jamie says:

      11:45pm | 17/05/10

      I have nothing more to ask other than why are they wasting that amount of money on something so pointless, when they could waste it on something slightly less pointless like hooking us all up with some fancy internet “speedy upy devices” like the rest of the world has.
      but dont listen to me im just some 17 year old who wants to play computer games on the net.

    • Kelley Johnston says:

      10:48pm | 30/03/10

      You don’t monitor our telephone conversations without a court order, do you?  The same principle applies to the Internet.  If you’re trying to catch a crook, you get a search warrant to tap a phone.  The same protections that apply to the telephone and to surface mail should apply to email, chat rooms and the like.  I don’t want some government agent peering over my shoulder when I talk to someone.  I ain’t doing anything wrong, and it ain’t any of his business.

    • Mossy says:

      01:33pm | 27/03/10

      Lie #11 The internet industry as a whole is interested in taking steps to protect minors from harmful material.

    • jp says:

      01:59am | 26/03/10

      @Mark
      Like tarring all opponents of the filter as being pro kiddie porn. Nothing wrong with god worship but please do it in the privacy of your own home.

      @Paul
      Of course they need the internets the American defense department created it. Its the web that is causing problems.

    • Mixtup says:

      09:18pm | 25/03/10

      To Mark: the filtering question has already been disposed of in the US via the Supreme Court finding it violates constitutionally-guaranteed free speech over there.
      To everyone who’s saying how easy it’ll be to get around it, I agree but do you think they’ll go to this trouble and not bring in PENALTIES for circumventing it???

    • Mark says:

      06:44pm | 25/03/10

      Thanks so much for the Christina bashing David. You mention numbers but somehow forget to mention how many hospitals, schools, and almost countless charities are Christian based and pretty much fill the huge void in society that governments seemingly don’t care about. How about a few of those figures. And also, how about you show some worldliness and understand that tarring all Christians with the same brush shows naivety that should not really be expressed in a public forum. Do you believe all Muslims are terrorists as well? How many all encompassing assumptions do you hold that more considered people understand are garbage?

    • Paul says:

      04:06pm | 25/03/10

      I’d dare suggest that, given the Americans and British have expressed more than a little interest in filtering, then Australia makes an excellent Laboratory for testing such a filter in real time, testing the tolerance of the people for such a filter, and seeing just what can be effectively silenced within the confines of a First World “Democracy”.  If Australia gets this running it will be rolled out all over the world.  Governments, Militarys and Intelligence services hate the Web, even though they know they need it.

    • David says:

      03:12pm | 25/03/10

      Sherlock. The persistence of the government, especially Conroy and Rudd does seem particularly confusing. What is the shame in dropping the proposal in favour of more practical programs? Such as increasing AFP capacities and perhaps school-based child and parental education programs. Not only would the government be seen doing something (surely worth political capital in itself) but also potentially achieving the desired outcome (wouldn’t that be a novel idea!).

      I personally think there are too many fingerprints from lobby groups such as the Australian Christian Lobby who have not only campaigned heavily for the filter but increased censorship in general. Additionally the ACL has procured one-on-one meetings with Conroy and on at least one occasion been privy to information regarding the filter that had not been made public by Conroy’s office. The rabid concern the morally righteous lobby groups have for the activities of individuals in private and their capacity to bend the ear of our politicians is extremely worrying.

      The ACL and their kin do not reflect the views of this country, hell they can’t even claim to reflect the views of the 64% of Australians who ticked the Christian box in the last census. The National Church Life Survey showed less than 9% of the country even attend church let alone donate funds to lobby groups. Politicians need to take stock of how relevant these groups are and avoid treating them as secured voting blocks, they are smaller and less representative than they claim.

    • Sherlock says:

      08:31am | 25/03/10

      Ten Seconds

      That’s how long it would take an average Internet user with just a little bit of technical knowledge to bypass this filter. For those of you who don’t have the technical knowledge don’t worry because website will become available in their thousands that will show you how to bypass the filter. They’ll have easy step-by-step instructions complete with pictures.

      This is what I don’t understand. Why is the government taking all this flak over something that will be completely ineffective.It’s a lot of pain for no gain. Anyone who wants to view overseas child porn sites will do so and some pissy government filter won’t stop them.

 

Facebook Recommendations

Read all about it

Punch live

Up to the minute Twitter chatter

Anthony Sharwood

#markwebber just wasted petrol faster than everyone else in monaco #f1

Anthony Sharwood

In my sports column on The Punch tomorrow: why Eurovision was easily the best game on the weekend. Mummy bloggers, you'll like this one!

Daniel Piotrowski

The Logies could learn a lot from Eurovision #lamethings#sbseurovision

Daniel Piotrowski

RT @ellehardytweets: Already despondent about the next fifty one weeks. #sbseurovision

Recent posts

The latest and greatest

Abbott’s crass logic: trash the Parliament in order save it

Abbott’s crass logic: trash the Parliament in order save it

An email was sent to almost every politician in Australia this week saying that someone should cut off…

Our special forces don’t always need special treatment

Our special forces don’t always need special treatment

We admire them, but we’re not entirely sure why. We allow them to operate in the shadows; we rarely…

A good holiday is about unrest, not rest

A good holiday is about unrest, not rest

Like a fat full-stop, it lay in my hand. A small orange – not exactly fresh, but purchased anyway…

Gentle jabs to the ribs

They must pay for one’s bitter disappointments

They must pay for one’s bitter disappointments

A private school girl’s family is sueing her elite, extremely expensive private school for not… Read more

243 comments

Newsletter

Read all about it

Sign up to the free daily Punch newsletter