Tony Abbott is perfectly entitled to his view as an individual - and as the father of three teenage girls - as to whether women should have sex before they are married.

Tony Abbott at home with wife Margie and daughters Louise, Frances and Bridget. Photo: James Elsby

But as the alternative prime minister, the danger for Abbott is that any airing of his private views will sound like a generalised public call for the women of Australia to keep themselves nice.

This is exactly what has happened – not just with the predictable attacks from sworn enemies such as Julia Gillard, but across blog sites and the twittersphere from politically ambivalent women have interpreted Abbott’s statement as an unwelcome free lecture.

Abbott has moved today to clarify the remarks he made to The Australian Women’s Weekly, saying that he was simply giving an honest answer under questioning as to his private opinion as the father of three daughters.

Perhaps Abbott needs to find some of the discipline of his political hero John Howard, a fellow social conservative who was forever being asked to speak his mind on moral issues - but who knew that, as a powerful politician, you would only offer a private opinion if you were prepared for it to become a public one.

Abbott said this morning that his virginity remarks have got him into trouble; if so, I doubt that it’s got him into that much trouble.

It’s probably just given the people who already can’t stand him a reason to dislike him even more.

There might be a few politically disengaged people, mainly women but some men, who will find his remarks quaint and perhaps be uneasy that a man with such old-fashioned views is potentially a few votes away from running the country.

But many Australians will agree with him, and not just those of a certain generation.

Abbott’s habitual honesty, his sometimes reckless insistence on saying exactly what is on his mind, is an endearing quality in this age of political spin and empty language.

In typical style, he not only offered these remarks but also outed himself as a hypocrite in the process, saying he had been a less than exemplary role model in the pre-marital sex stakes.

Abbott has also been accused of hypocrisy in canvassing the issue of female virginity at some length, but sounding much more laidback on the question of unmarried men being sexually active.

If it’s hypocrisy, it’s hypocrisy which many men share. Whether it’s the job of an aspiring prime minister to be canvassing such things is another question altogether.

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    • jayne says:

      08:53am | 23/02/10

      DarrenWell if i was a political figure and asked in an interview i would of said thats a personal choice and decline the request to comment. im not knocking him, just want to say he should stick to his career views instead of private matters.

    • jayne says:

      08:26am | 04/02/10

      I think Tony Abbott should worry about his politician career and keep our nation above water. I think virginity is a personal thing and not a politic thing.
      He ought to talk and he probably has had his fun before marrying. What aload of rubbish. He a politician not god. Who is he to judge. Anyway you cannot put a old head on a young head. I think he should keep his views to himself , fair enough if he has told his daughters this, so we have a right to tell our children how it should be, not tony abbott, what a hypocrite. Its none of his business, just because he is a politician doesnt give him the right to express to the public his personal views how unethical.

    • Darren says:

      10:16am | 04/02/10

      Just pointing out Jayne that he was asked in an interview about his personal views on the matter. He didn’t organise a press conference and announce it to Australia.

      If someone interviewed you about your views on an issue, and that so happened to get published, are you going to say that you yourself actively tried to press your views upon the wider community of Australia? or are you just going to say “I was interviewed and gave an honest opinion that was published”?

    • Ajuli says:

      10:03am | 03/02/10

      There isn’t a father who is interested in their daughter’s well being who would not say the same as what Tony said .My son -in-law says that he isn’t going to let his daughter out till she is 45 ,so get real .I think the opposition wants to look at themselves besides Julia Gillard has no children so how does she know what she would say given the same circumstance.

    • paul m says:

      12:34pm | 30/01/10

      Julia Gillard’s appalling mischaracterisation of a father’s honest and laudable response has helped cost her and Labor my vote - and I am not the only one.

    • Shaun says:

      09:31am | 29/01/10

      Nice work David.

      Lots of people agree with Abbott.

      His honesty is refreshing in an era of political

      Do you write this stuff yourself or do you get a Liberal party PR man to do it?

    • Michael Mlocksmit says:

      08:57am | 29/01/10

      On why its okay for men to sleep around pre-marriage but not women.

      Lets use the analogy of keys and locks.

      If you had a key that opened a lot of locks that would be an awesome key. But if on the other hand you had a lock that could be open by many keys that would be a rubbish lock. 

      Abbott good call.

    • Average Joe says:

      08:15am | 29/01/10

      Abbott’s open honesty (whether or not you agree with his views) will appeal to many former ALP voters turned off by the constant spin and petty politicking from Rudd, Gillard et al.
      As a father of 3 girls Abbott’s entitled to express his feelings on this subject when asked…..it wasn’t as if he was making it official opposition policy.

      Other than those obvious members of the loony left (who are beyond all hope), the rest of the mob who jumped onto the attack after Abbott’s answers were published need to take a chill-pill and have a lie-down. Maybe you should direct your passionate opinions toward something more worthwhile.

    • Julia says:

      02:37pm | 28/01/10

      I agree with the person who called us Sheeple.

      My father said something similar to me - along the lines of men have always been bastards, women are just letting them be bastards to them now.

      And if you could hear some of the horror stories of young girls having sex with multiple partners in cars, lifting their dresses to show their Brazillian, swearing so much they make sailors blush and drinking more in a night than most people do in a month, then you’d probably erring to the side of conservative too.

      I’m not Catholic. I’m just a 30something mother of one (daughter) who will be saying the same sort thing to her.

    • gubbaboy says:

      02:23pm | 28/01/10

      I know we can’t expect too much from journalists but surely they are capable of reporting something remotely conected to fact.
      Abbott was , if asked, giving his opinion to his daughters on sex not preaching to Australia.

      The ACA report and Mr Penberthy show how far jornalism has decended into slander. 

      Disgusting.

    • cats says:

      11:18am | 28/01/10

      Not the comments that i read on the story, Steve.

      Also, i read and heard what Tony Abbott said. As i mentioned before, he is entitled to his opinion, but that doesn’t mean i have to agree.

    • James says:

      02:11pm | 28/01/10

      What Ms Spicer did is akin to those who, on hearing someone say that Palestinians suffer, assume the person uttering the remark is a rabid anti-Semite.  Is our society really so polarised?

    • Steve of Cornubia says:

      12:07pm | 28/01/10

      By all means disagree with what he said, but please don’t misrepresent him, then disagree with that!

      In another Punch piece by Tracey Spicer, she takes something Abbott said (that immigrants should observe Australian law) and somewho extrapolates from that, evidence that Abbott thinks all immigrants are criminals. She does this so that she then has something tasty and controversial to write about, fitting neatly into her anti-Liberal agenda. Similarly, you have taken Abbott’s answers about his duaghters and amazingly extrapolated that into Abbott condoning pre-marital sex for men. Clearly, you have what it takes to graduate from the same school of ‘journalism’ that Ms Spicer graduated from - just remember to take your crayons and lunch money. wink

    • cats says:

      09:49am | 28/01/10

      The usual righties are at it again. Only a month ago, they were applauding Tiger Woods for running around and screwing anything he wanted, but now that we’re talking about a woman’s sexual appetite, they have completely swung in the opposite direction and seem to all believe that what Tony said is absolutely true and women should abstain from having sex when they want.

      Look people, I know that Tony was asked a question and is entitled to his own opinion, but that doesn’t mean we have to agree. He thinks that girls should think of their virginity as a gift. What about men’s virginity? I suppose they can sleep with whoever they want and deflower other people’s daughters (like he did) but the woman should have thought better? I suppose according to him, girls don’t have a sexual appetite at all and only have sex to please their male counterparts.

      I find it pretty concerning that this man may be running this country soon, simply because he is a dinosaur and who knows what other backward views he may bring into his leadership.

    • cats says:

      12:01pm | 28/01/10

      How did i misquote Abbott? Did he not say that he hopes his girls consider their virginity a gift? I find that offensive. I’m not going to be bothered argueing with you people today, i’ve got work to do.

    • Bruce says:

      11:22am | 28/01/10

      Well if your so concerned about the man running this country, i would presume you have an interest in who Rudd is as Kim has pointed out. She didn’t imply you were a Rudd supporter, it’s just that Rudd is running the country and you have said you have concerns about who maybe running the country. I agree with Kim I have no idea who Rudd is either, he just seems to do and say as he is told by other people, and is too scared to make any decisions in case he pisses someone off and loses popularity with the voters. As you have concerns about who runs the country so do I, I have big concerns about Rudd who is running the country. Miss-quoting Abbott and taking what he said out of context doesn’t help your cause at all.

    • Steve of Cornubia says:

      11:11am | 28/01/10

      Have you missed your meds today Cats? You do realise that all those ‘righties’ applauding Tiger Wood’s infidelity only exist in your mind, don’t you?

      In the world in which the rest of us live (i.e. the real world) there was far more condemnation of Woods from the CONSERVATIVE Right than from the LIBERAL Left - which is situation normal >shrug<

      And please take the time to read what Abbott actually said, and on what topic (see above).

    • cats says:

      10:59am | 28/01/10

      HAHAA oh wow. What has Rudd got to do with anything? You just assume i’m a Rudd supporter because i don’t like Tony Abbott? So according to you, anyone who doesn’t like Tony Abbott is from a different planet? lol you should have thought about your comment a bit more before posting. There are more than two political parties you know.

    • Kim says:

      10:38am | 28/01/10

      Backward views? what planet are you from. Do you have any idea what Kevin’s views are on anything, or who Kevin Rudd is apart from what his media/PR team tell him to say for the sake of his popularity.

    • fehowarth says:

      09:22am | 28/01/10

      “Tony’s virginity troubles and the danger of being honest”  Is he being honest or just opinionated?

    • Maureen Kelly says:

      09:12am | 28/01/10

      Julai Gillards obviously tried to play the female vote against him thinking female voters will listen to her and fall for her trap. It didn’t work Julia, it backfired darling. I’m pleased to see Australians are waking up to Rudd/Labor and their “holier than thou approach” to win votes. How about your Leader get out there in the public arena and have something to say instead sitting up there on his throne giving statements and speaches acting like the “Untouchable Queen of England.”

    • samuel says:

      04:06am | 28/01/10

      about time someone spoke the truth ,tony keep at it beacuse your maintaining main stream in the right path. you will get my vote & silent majority

    • Matt says:

      09:14pm | 27/01/10

      Adam, it may be lucky for you that your female friend’s fathers aren’t so tight. Does that make you and your female friends loose? Ever had an unwanted pregnancy or STD?

      I wonder what Kevin Rudd told his daughter? Have sex with anyone who’s interested and don’t worry about contraception?

      Of course Kevin won’t answer that question because his media spinners won’t let him and it might require honesty which is clearly a foreign concept to Kev (I grew up in a car) Rudd.

    • Shimmy says:

      08:53pm | 27/01/10

      The whole thing is creepy,I can’t imagine my dad discussing my sex life with anyone..not even me, my mum did that. I would be mortified if my dad announce in a mag that I was a virgin.

    • Phil says:

      04:21pm | 04/02/10

      SHimmy

      Have not read the article, and probalby wont. As I understand he was asked for his views on pre marital sex, to which he replied “well it happens” and he then said “well if they were to ask me I would say” he did not say my daughters are virgins. He did not say they should abstain, just that when it does occur it should be with someone they care about, someone special. Not a Dad I know would offer any different advice.

    • Adam says:

      08:19pm | 27/01/10

      I’m surprised so many people are saying ‘all fathers would say that about their daughters”. Really? Its amazing that so many dads expect or want their daughters to stay virgins until they marry. It seems like a real disconnect from the real world. I didn’t think anyone still thought that way.

      Lucky my female friends and sister have parents who aren’t so tight then.

    • Tim says:

      09:07am | 28/01/10

      Bec,
      what an absolute load of crap.
      Most people I know had parents who gave them advice about sexuality and *shock* some of them were Christians. And guess what, most of that parental advice was in a similar vein to Abbot’s.
      All of these people still have good relationships with their parents.
      You must know some pretty weird people if this issue causes them to consider sending their parent’s off to the dodgy old folks home.

    • bec says:

      09:16pm | 27/01/10

      Those of us who maintain relationships with our parents into our adult years (and happily want to care for them into old age) didn’t have creepy parents. I know plenty of ex-Christians who don’t care what brand of kerosene their parents are bathed in when they’re shipped out to the crappiest nursing home.

      Dads, take note - be creepy about your kid’s sexuality, and we *will* make your twilight years a living hell.

    • Cathy says:

      07:34pm | 27/01/10

      I believe Tony Abbott’s comment could be very empowering to young girls who may feel pressured to have sex because all their friends are doing it.  To hear this advice from a man, rather than from their mothers or another woman, carries more punch.  Too often young girls will think a woman advising them on the keeping of their virginity is motivated by sour grapes and the urge to curtail a young woman’s fun.  Virginity is a gift you can only give once.

    • Lisa says:

      10:44pm | 27/01/10

      Why are old women culturally expected to have sour grapes about sex? That is an important question that is not asked very often, even by younger women. Knowing the answers, and taking those answers seriously (perhaps by university relationship researchers) could be enlightening. However, old women are expected to dry up and fade with the curtains, it seems. Their disgruntlement (why???) is expected, even culturally ordained.

    • bec says:

      09:20pm | 27/01/10

      Lies. Haven’t you ever heard of re-gifting? Virginity, like an ugly old crockpot you receive at your wedding, can just be passed second-hand onto the next unlucky sap.

    • Bruce says:

      05:46pm | 27/01/10

      An “unwelcombe free lecture” eh !!  I wonder what these girls would say to their daughters when asked the question ? But then I forget, we do not want honest answers from our politicians do we !! Just spin.

    • farmer john says:

      05:40pm | 27/01/10

      doesnt have any sons that he or we know about….

      i heard he was quite the ladies man in his younger days, saturday nights he was always out sowing his wild oats, sunday mornings he was in church, praying for a crop failure..

    • Brad Coward says:

      04:52pm | 27/01/10

      If only the Prime Minister had set up a focus group to look into this issue six months ago….he might be able to deliver his informed opinion to coincide with the 2010 election campaign, whenever that is !

    • Ian says:

      07:43pm | 27/01/10

      Careful Brad your liberal skirt is showing and it’s not that pretty!

    • Brad Coward says:

      04:46pm | 27/01/10

      Penbo….a lefty questioning someone’s honesty and integrity ?  You voted for Rudd in 2007 and you and fellow “journalists” have pushed his wheelbarrow of misinformation and plain BS for him ever since.  You’ll blindly push the barrow through to the next election, and the election after that without so much as blinking once, never questioning or demanding the answers to why so many of the big promises have not been fulfilled.  You would not let any conservative leader get away with the shennanigans that you have permitted of Rudd.  When you are prepared to question everyones honesty…you may then question everyone’s honesty !

    • Brian says:

      04:40pm | 27/01/10

      If you lived in Asia, you would realise the high esteem JWH was held in and the low esteem your mate Rudd is thought of here. The general concensus is that his attempts at Mandarin is mocking them in some Australian “knockabout way”.

    • TC says:

      03:49pm | 27/01/10

      William.
      If you want to look at a politician moralising look no further than one K Rudd. Not only telling Australia but all the world what the greatest moral issue of our generation is.

      This is in comparison to Abbott’s apparent moralising by answering a question put to him regarding the advice he would give his daughters.

      Just who is doing the moralising here??

    • Anthony says:

      03:45pm | 27/01/10

      I think the general public have done more research into what Tony Abbott said than the ABC and TheAge. For a start the average punter would have read what he said before formulating an opinion.

    • Patrick says:

      03:23pm | 27/01/10

      No Nige, Sons don’t get pregnant, but they can certainly get women pregnant. If men are not expected to abstain before marriage, but woman are, then there would be alot of married woman having affairs with younger men out there

    • Troppo says:

      03:15pm | 27/01/10

      Hummmm if anyone asked me that question my reply would have gone something like this…..

      “I have a .45 and a shovel”

    • Carl Palmer says:

      08:18am | 28/01/10

      Ha ha ha ha - when my neighbours daughter went out on her first date a few years back, my neighbour told the boyfriend that whatever he did to his daughter he would to him. I recon that got a bit of attention - .45 and shovel stuff.

    • Kent says:

      03:09pm | 27/01/10

      Yes Julia Gillard should be splashed all over the news headlines tomorrow for her distastefull, misqoute and desperate attempt at smearing Tony Abbott. The Government are obviously scared. And for the media and journo’s please lets not have a repeat of last year when all the focus was on the Liberal Party while the Rudd Government wonder around like queen ashiba’s with their heads up their ass’s. Gillards first attempt at getting the focus onto Abbott and away from them, should be thrown straight back in her face.

    • James says:

      03:39pm | 27/01/10

      Having learned an important lesson earlier today, I am going to refrain from further comment on Kent’s post.

    • DougB says:

      03:04pm | 27/01/10

      This is all being beaten up by most of the media as usual. “The Drum” on Aunties website (ABC) has a more honest piece in which they quote what Abbot actually said.  He doesn’t even harp on about marriage etc.  It is worth reading to get the actual facts, instead of what the attention grabbers would like you to think.

    • Betelnut says:

      03:01pm | 27/01/10

      @Penbo,  Give Zeta her own column already.  She is by far the funniest writer you have on the Punch.

      So Abbott has an issue with “women” voters, gives a “family man” interview with AWW to counter his image issue and once again fails to win over women voters by inserting foot into mouth.

      Apart from the clumsy politics, a bit of a non-issue really.  Maybe we should all pitch in to get Tony a new media manager, I am sure Kev has a few he could loan him.

      Keep driving everyone, nothing to see here.

    • Cal says:

      02:48pm | 27/01/10

      Settle down. He was asked about HIS daughters and said that he hoped they would treat their virginity as a gift. He was honest with his answer, and as a father of two daughters I would probably have answered exactly the same.

    • James says:

      02:42pm | 27/01/10

      John Howard lied all the time, as did Keating, and Hawke, and Fraser.  Honest John was coined by his detractors (not me - I voted for him twice), and was meant to imply that he lied.  It was, in large measure, their lies that kept them in power.  If you think otherwise, all it proves is that you are too partisan to see how politicians are all the same once you scratch the surface.  An honest politician is an oxymoron.  It is not honesty that is the issue, but brain-mouth filter that is the issue.  A politician needs to be careful what they say, lest they say the wrong thing.  Keep in mind they represent our country.  If Mr Abbott could not see how his remarks would be taken, how can we trust him to, say, speak properly to our most important allies?

      And no, Docbud, Mozilla does not do punctuation.  Again, I hang my head in shame for undermining my own argument.  In my own defence, my tense error was a typo - the d is next to the s on a keyboard.  And I like hyphens, what else can I say?

    • GreenFrog says:

      02:42pm | 27/01/10

      I feel sorry for Tony Abbotts daughters, Teen years and puberty and “these” talks with mum and dad are bad enough, but to put it in a magazine sounds a bit horrific to me. Kids snickering behind their backs either real or imagined must be a worry for them. I hope he has a bit more tact with his girls in future. Still we are not all the same and maybe they don’t mind their virginity discussed around Aus

    • jim says:

      02:40pm | 27/01/10

      @ Anon

      Thats not the problem. The problem is, in a heterosexual relationship most of the time the dominating and manipulating male would attempt to emotionally or physically force the woman into sex.

      Also peer pressure and media seem to encourage such an act and cover the abuses. This happens behind closed doors, and affects marriages.

      Marriages where two members are virgins, have much higher and greater chances of remaining married till their deaths. Thats a statistical fact.

    • Jay says:

      03:31pm | 27/01/10

      I know 3 Christian couples who got married at a young age, i.e. before 23. Why? because they believed that sex outside of marriage was wrong. Were these 6 individuals mature enough to negotiate the difficulties that go with sex? No. Are those mariages still together? Two of them are not, and the other is only barely holding it together, thank goodness none of them have had children yet.

      Quote a source to the statistics if you can, but amongst my friends the relationships that have lasted the longest (20 years and counting) are de facto couples.

      Marriage does not automatically bestow the maturity to handle sex. A couple can believe thay are in love when they are only in lust if they haven’t had the life experience to know the difference. Part of that life experience for many people is having sex.

      But the idea of virginity as a gift? That is quite simply a gift I wouldn’t want, thank you very much (and at my age I’d find it a bit creepy). Yes, the first time should be with someone you trust and hopefully care about but people shouldn’t get carried away with it being something special that you give to someone as a gift. Talk about putting all your eggs in one basket!

    • luke says:

      02:39pm | 27/01/10

      So Tony Abbott’s view on his family is more important to journalists than Rudd failing our nation with his 300 billion dollar debt, border protection, ETS failure, water issues in murray darling etc… its a pity journalists are afraid to question the government, these problems have existed for at least six months. It is a pity they haven’t highlighted Gillard’s deliberate misquote to attack Abbott.

    • Sarah Grogan says:

      02:10pm | 27/01/10

      But as the alternative prime minister, the danger for Abbott is that any airing of his private views will sound like a generalised public call for the women of Australia to keep themselves nice.
      Excuse me? will sound like a generalised public call for women of Australia to keep themselves nice? Only to you journos and Julia obviously. Give Australians a little more credit than that. I’m sure most sane people realise he was answering a question regarding his kids for goddness sake. It’s sensational headlines like yours and on some other news sites that cause that not Abbott you fool. Go and have a drink with Spicer. And what difference does him being the alternative Prime Minister have to do with him answering such questions? Good on him, Rudd should try the same thing. Does anyone know who Rudd really is?

    • Angelina says:

      01:55pm | 27/01/10

      I think it’s strange that in 2010 you think that possible Leaders of the country or PM’s should only answer certain questions. Why? I like to know as much as I can about the person who is going to get my vote and who I would like to my Prime Minister. Time to move into the 21st century David, this attitude is old hat. Julia Gillards comments were distasteful and desperate, thats what I find out of place. Not Abbott answering questions about his own children. Abbotts a nice change in politics, he gets my vote. Some of you obviously prefer the Rudd persona of acting like he’s “lord muck”, he’s not for me.

    • Bigboomer says:

      01:54pm | 27/01/10

      Tony Abbott is such a bore, hes really not worth bothering with. I doubt he will ever be PM..time will tell

    • Jack Thomas says:

      01:55pm | 27/01/10

      Count the milliseconds before the King of Spin Kevin adds his smarmy two bits worth. The Leftard journo’s will be all over this, watch the ABC work it over tonight, even if it is with a smarmy tongue in cheek.

      The Age already has its banner headline “Hypocrit Abbot panned for virginity stance”. Objective journos in Australia? I think not.

      As if I didn’t feel sorry for Kevin Rudd’s dweeby little son having the embarrassment of a government funded baby sitter at age 15, imagine how Abbott’s daughter must feel with this latest airing. Eeeuuuwww, Dad….

      Please, no pollies talk about their own virginity. Ever.

    • Jack Thomas says:

      04:40pm | 27/01/10

      James, since when did our media publish what is interesting to the public?

      Surely you’re not suggesting the (majority) Leftard journos and editors are fair and balanced in their selection of what gets published? This is like an episode of Frontline when the scabby tabloid types couldn’t get the main story, so reported on the “awful” reporters reporting the story instead.

      Your “are you suggesting the ABC ignore this?” is exactly the same excuse as Ray Martin and A Current Affair when they demonised and slaughtered the Paxton family. I don’t accept that argument.

      I know the HWT standards (and that of most Aussie journo’s) are appalling, but it’s a matter of being the bigger man, as it were. The ABC could show some integrity, or do they all leave their ethics and gonads at home when they leave for work?

    • James says:

      03:49pm | 27/01/10

      How should it be reported by the ABC then?  Do you think they should ignore what is clearly interesting to the public?

    • Jack Thomas says:

      03:42pm | 27/01/10

      Sorry H, but the front page headline is “Abbott defends virginity comments”, I don’t accept your view that the ABC won’t let put its usual Leftard waffle on this one. The ABC is suggesting he has to defend (fairly inane) comments like these for a start. 

      The ALP members in waiting at the ABC will be frothing to include virginity and Abbott together, the 7.30 report has almost written itself tonight. Red Kerry will grumble, but still present this nonsense because he can’t see past the bias.

      This was a Women’s Weekly story right? Don’t tell me the ABC is not going to flog it for as much as they can. “But it’s news, everyone else is reporting it..”

    • Sam says:

      01:48pm | 27/01/10

      To fall short of our principles is nothing new, it puts the hue in human. To have no principles at all to begin with is to be uncivilised. It’s not advice for women or men alone, and it’s not either zero sex before marriage or outright slutness (I’m kakking myself).

      There is an analogue spectrum and it is generally more beneficial to withhold rather than give carelessly. At least you’ll retain your genital sensitivity further into your lifetime, rather than become a smooth piece of sandpaper that not even Brad Pitt or Angelina Jolie could stimulate (because I really think they might break up one day). You wouldn’t know it, but losing that sensitivity you had as a teenager is the first step down the slippery slope to all sorts of weird fetishes. I don’t like these principles from old skydaddy, I disagreed with them too when I was younger, but it just happens to be good advice if you want it.

    • James says:

      01:47pm | 27/01/10

      TC,

      I called people high-schoolers on the basis that they can not spell.  Nige called people retards on the basis of their political views.  There is the difference.

      Castro,

      Fair point.  I hang my head in shame.  But at least I form an argument, rather than call people retards, and call their opinions crap.

    • DocBud says:

      01:45pm | 27/01/10

      This was suppose to be a reply to Elizabeth at 01:07 pm.

    • David C says:

      01:44pm | 27/01/10

      If it is all about political risk then I would suggest based on the comments here and elsewhere TAbbott has taken the risk and it has paid off.
      Seems to me Gillard is the one who has made the bad choice

    • James says:

      01:43pm | 27/01/10

      I see it a lot, is all.  There is a big difference though Tim.  I didn’t call anyone a retard.  And the people I did call high-schoolers, was on the basis of their spelling, not their political views.

    • Margaret says:

      01:35pm | 27/01/10

      The media and journos are making fools of themselves. Abbott never gave advice to anyone. He answered a question regarding his daughters. You would think he had done an address to the nation on what he wants the young women of Australia to do. Being able to get an insight into his family and values he has for them was his intention. The media and Gillard in particular have deliberately changed that intention to suit there own political agenda’s. Very obvious, and I’m sure it will do Abbott more good than harm to let them run with it. His opposition are looking a little desperate and are struggling to pin him down on something. I don’t have a problem with him answering questions like this it wasn’t a lecture, his views were honest and nothing to be ashamed of. He wasn’t issuing advice to anyone.

    • H of SA says:

      01:33pm | 27/01/10

      Hahaha, imagine the headlines if he had said that….

    • Carl Palmer says:

      01:33pm | 27/01/10

      Penbo, I agree with your article – TA should be a little more selective about what he comments on. On these matters he doesn’t need to say anything, people pretty much know where he stands. 

      I’m surprised Julia opened her mouth – very dumb indeed. No tick from me on this one Julia.

    • Sally says:

      01:32pm | 27/01/10

      I like that he answered his question honestly. I like that he has an opinion for that matter.

      His answer would be the same as a lot of good dads out there. Why wouldn’t he want his children to take the issue of sex seriously? He made no reference to religion or the like in his statements. Imagine what the fuss would be if he told the women of Australia to go give it out freely.

      And you know what, the fact that he has openly admitted to not being a good role model makes it that much more endearing. Not thinking about having sex before you do it can clearly get you in a lot of trouble and he knows it. If anything, he’s a bit of an expert on the subject matter.

      Get over it.

    • Castro says:

      01:31pm | 27/01/10

      James, your attack on the spelling of conservatives would have had more substance if you had more control over your hyphens.  Whilst ‘spell-check’ and ‘high-schoolers are at best debatable, ‘mis-spell’ made you look ‘ridiculous’.

    • H of SA says:

      01:30pm | 27/01/10

      Zeta, your paragraph starting with the word “Survival” was comedy gold, brought and “in the office” subtle laugh. At home with a cold beer and good company it would have brought the full belly laugh. Thank you!

    • DocBud says:

      01:29pm | 27/01/10

      In reply to a direct question about what advice he’d give his daughters regarding pre-marital sex you think he should go off on a complete tangent. You’re to use to Rudd ignoring the question that was asked.

      “Perhaps Mr Abbott should continue with his traineeship as a Catholic Priest, it seems to be a more appropriate job for him.” Honestly answering the question asked is certainly unpolitician like, I guess because people like you will read into it whatever the hell you like.

    • Maree says:

      01:27pm | 27/01/10

      @ Iansand, your advice:
      ‘Do not give away your virginity lightly.  Make sure it is a considered choice at a time you choose and with someone who respects you.’ is great, and something I’m sure most people would agree with.
      This has little to do with ‘marriage’ necessarily, but people have already pointed that out.

      My question to you, is would you also give the same advice to your SON??? I really hope the answer is yes.

    • Macca says:

      03:04pm | 27/01/10

      I very rarely agree with iansand, but he’s right on the money today.

      Anyone who takes offence to Tony Abbott’s comments has either not read the full story* or is a bleeding lefty who would gladly spin anything against the opposition leader.

      *I’m looking at your mates Penbo, I think your piece was well balanced, but geez the media is eager to slay Abbott, seemingly regardless of the context

    • iansand says:

      02:33pm | 27/01/10

      I don’t have a son, nor does Abbott.  I have never considered the issue and nor, I assume, has he.  Which is the point of what he said.  He was asked a question in the context of his own family which he answered in the context of his own family.

      The whole tawdry brouhaha reflects the pathetic depths at which politics is played in this country (and most other western countries).  All parties play at a level of smear, innuendo and half truth that would have them beatren senseless in any self-respecting pub.  And our slavering pack of jackals masquerading as journalists join in and abet the fun.

    • Jen says:

      01:23pm | 27/01/10

      OMFG…..he was asked a question about what he would say to HIS daughters, at no time was he referring to the female population as a whole…...he gave a brilliant answer

      Geez if I had asked my dad that question he would have told me that he has a shot gun and ain’t afraid to use it.

      My boyfriend tells me that when we have girls, he’s sending them, all to a nunnery to keep boys like he was well away unti they are 30. So compared to my old man and my boyfriend Tony Abbott is a saint and a very perceptive and compasionate bloke…..father of the freaking year!

    • iansand says:

      01:22pm | 27/01/10

      I’m no fan of Abbott’s but what he said is exactly the advice I intend to give my daughter should the issue arise.  Do not give away your virginity lightly.  Make sure it is a considered choice at a time you choose and with someone who respects you.

      What advice should he have given?  Do it behind the bike shed as soon as possible with all comers?

    • Narelle says:

      01:16pm | 27/01/10

      “Tony’s virginity troubles and the danger of being honest”
      OMG Don’t seem to able to attack Tony for being dishonest, so lets attack him for being honest. Easier to discredit Turnbull wasn’t it David. It’s fun watching you and your mate Spicer trying to discredit him, doesn’t look like your having much luck. Might be time to jump ships and start attacking Rudd instead. Whats wrong with a possible leader answering honestly to these sort of questions anyway? Do you write the rules Penbo?

    • Steve of Cornubia says:

      01:16pm | 27/01/10

      @William 01:56pm

      Perhaps the fact that Tony Abbott DOESN’T HAVE ANY SONS and was specifically asked about HIS DAUGHTERS would explain why he didn’t include sons?

      Now, having established that Womens Weekly (being a magazine read by women) was interested in Abbott’s views on his daughters, perhaps we can see a tiny, tiny hint as to why other fathers of daughters have chosen to comment.

      Still too hard?

    • Zeta says:

      01:11pm | 27/01/10

      The Punch is excellent today, or maybe I’m just so bored I keep commenting on everything anyway. Whatever. Penbo, everyone is missing the point with the Abbott remarks, except, obviously, me. Allow me to enlighten the masses.

      It’s not about virginity, it’s not about his Catholicism, or his on-again-off-again bastard child. There is a very big elephent in the Tabbott room that no one is raising, so I’ll raise it in capital letters, and use some invective to highlight it:

      WTF WAS ABBOTT DOING TALKING TO WOMEN’S WEEKLY?!?!!!!1111one?

      Survival in capital-P Politics is about risk management. You take calculated risks, and you minimise blowback from unneccesary risks. When The Australian, or the Daily Telegraph, or The Age calls Tabs, he and his staff take a calculated risk based on all the facts. You take a risk that Glen Milne has a brain snap while writing up the story and calls you a serial killer while he’s huffing Neurophen, but you know major newspapers have a hoarde of sub editors and backbenchers to wipe the blood of Milne’s copy and clean it up for public consumption. You know when the Fairfax press calls you’re taking a calculated risk that they might twist your side of the story around to make it sound like you’re a climate change / holocaust denier, and you know they’ll probably use a file photo of you picking your nose and flicking it at a disabled child, but you also know nobody reads it. You know when Alan Jones calls, he might end up screeching at you with his angry NRL coach voice because you don’t support free Mercedes Benz’s for everyone’s Nan and mandatory life sentences for spitting, but you know sometimes he might do that ‘mmhm, mmhm’ voice and pretty much have phone sex with you and your big sexy conservative cranium.

      These risks are taken because of the pay offs, namely the numbers. Politicians don’t talk to journalists because they like them. It’s not fun for them to sit down and have a chat for someone who makes a living out of knifing you. It’s to reach out and touch someone. Nationwide relevancy from The Oz. 1.1 million Sydney siders read the DT. 900,000 listening to morning Jones before 9. The numbers don’t lie, and they’re worth the risk. You connect with an audience that remembers and reflects on your message.

      Which makes the decision to do a AWW interview all the more staggering.

      This is the real failure. This is what we should be hammering him for. Magazines are dead. I’m sad about it too, I liked The Bulletin, and I already worry I’ve wasted another year’s Economist subscription. Magazines aren’t just dieing a nice, palative care death either. They’re going thrashing wildly trying to take everyone down with them. A simple risk assessment of a potential AWW interview has NO written all over it in big trashy tabloid letters. Diminished readership, supposed ‘journalists’ who don’t give a shit and will probably misquote you, I mean, the political affairs reporters in the mainstreams aren’t exactly saints, but they all pray for a Walkley or a News Award and that’s what keeps them honest. The staff at the Women’s Weekly are praying they get comped a few more boxes of Terry White diet shake formula because the more their pay gets cut that’s what they’re living off. If the interview had have gone well, without any inflamatory bollocks, no one would have cared, but if it went badly, the news would be everywhere.

      Any Liberal hack worth their membership to Opus Dei should have been able to tell Tabs that there were better ways to connect with the Women’s Weekly audience than ACTUALLY BEING IN the Women’s Weekly. I hear that demographic responds well to sky writing, bus advertisements featuring Michael Buble, and free cupcakes. Some direct mail and a photo of Tabs with Buble and Alan Jones would have been cheaper, and avoided this virginity comment problem. No foresight. Poor form. Deserves everything he gets. If I were his Chief of Staff, I’d be saying ‘This is why we can’t have nice things’ and locking my self in the office with a bottle of scotch until he gets his head right.

      To everyone who says ‘oh but Zeta, we love Tabsy because he’s honest’, you’re kidding yourselves. Good politicians aren’t honest. Good politicians know when and how to conceal their insanity so they can get elected, and do right by their constituents. Tabs isn’t getting himself elected by saying women should wait for marriage before giving up the goods in any context. Simple risk assessment. Look at the numbers of women who have sex before marriage. That’s the demographic you risk losing. Say no, tell AWW you’re having your chest waxed that day, get on with the job.

      God it’s so depressing.

    • AT says:

      02:57pm | 27/01/10

      Fair suck, Zeets. These “numbers [that] don’t lie” tell us “900,000 [are] listening to morning Jones before 9.”? That’s almost a quarter of Syd’s population. If you were to extrapolate that 900,000 listeners equals Jones’ rating of 15 or so points and added the morning radio ratings for all the stations you’d get an accumulated figure of almost 6 million Sydneysiders listening to radio. That’s more people than are in Sydney at any given time and makes no allowance for those peculiar people who don’t listen to the radio at all in the morning, like infants, tele watchers, people shopping, walking the dog etc.

      I think Tabs understands all this and the relative value of different outlets and is not so naive or unpractised to not realise how his comments would play regardless of the delivery platform.

      I shouldn’t be surprised to learn his comments were very deliberate and considered. Any capital-P political failing has more to do with his rather desperate adherence to fundamentalist values and pandering to the diminishing base of like-minded Libs who just about the only ones he can rely on.

    • Jan says:

      01:29pm | 27/01/10

      Perhaps we should ask Kevin Rudd what advice he would give his own daughter?

      Kevin Rudd, etc.  have taken Tony Abbott’s comments out of context for perceived pure political gain, whilst knowing the context these comments were made..

    • null says:

      01:07pm | 27/01/10

      Wow, answer a direct question and you have to deal with people talking crap about what you meant/intended/had on your agenda.  I suffered listening to FM Breakfast team (106.9 - I’m looking at you) espousing how dare he tell other how they should behave.  He didn’t.  He answered a question about what advice he would give his daughters.  THe same sort of fuzzy familly question every pollie gets in the WW.  Difference is the “commentators” don’t usually smell an opportunity to have a rant that suits their own opinions.  Hopefully the media fluff backfires and more people ask “Is that a fair sort of guidance to give your teenage daughter"rather than “How would I react if he bowled into my lounge room on a Friday night and offered this up as free advice?”

    • PatC says:

      01:05pm | 27/01/10

      It’s good to see someone honestly saying what the feel, especially in politics when every statement is normally put through the “how many votes will this get me” filter.
      Even though I don’t agree with his statements about staying celibate until marriage, I certainly don’t have an issue with him as a father wanting the best for his kids.
      I’m more concerned about the fathers who don’t care where their kids are or what they are up to.

    • Darren says:

      01:04pm | 27/01/10

      It’s been interesting to watch the feminist movement go on the attack over Abbott’s innocuous remarks. Their hyperbole over women’s rights was not as evident—or even non-existent—after Rudd went to a strip club. Back then Rudd was quietly excused by the Eva Cox et al, all the same rent-a- quote feminists, who have worked themselves up in a lather today at something a Liberal MP has had to say.

      Of course asking your daughters to possibly think about abstinence is SO MUCH WORSE than stripping—an activity the same activists used to once refer to as the disgraceful objectification of women.

      I think you are right in pointing out that all the attackers are just jumped up activists who would use any excuse to go after Tony . What’s interesting is that their political leanings are more important to them then the cause they puport to represent

    • Andy says:

      12:59pm | 27/01/10

      Dave - what blog sites are you reading? maybe I’m on a different internet to you. The blogs i’ve seen don’t support your view at all. Oh well I’ll see if I can find your internet and get back to you mate.

    • Joe says:

      12:59pm | 27/01/10

      Thanks Tony for being honest and real and saying what you did. I’ll be telling my daughters exactly the same thing when they are old enough

    • William says:

      12:56pm | 27/01/10

      Why do so many males responding to this story and others like it make the comment that most Dads would agree with Tony Abbott and would feel this way about their daughters as well?  What about their sons?  Why should females wait until they are married?  What if they get married when they are 35?  Why is it ‘a gift’ - is it some kind of dowry?  Politicians SHOULD NOT be giving moral advice - stick to the economy, health, the environment etc.

    • Merry says:

      05:50am | 29/01/10

      “my first thought would be because “Sons” don’t fall pregnant. “

      No, Sons make girls pregnant. Telling a woman that she must wait implies that she is the only one that is accountable for what it is that happens. She falls pregnant - it’s her fault for having sex. She gets an STD - it’s her fault for having sex. She gets AIDs - it’s her fault for having sex.

      It’s a pretty archaic set of thinking to say that boys have sex for pleasure but girls can only have sex to breed. Because, y’know, that’s what marriage is for. Because heaven forbid if a girl gets pregnant out of wedlock.
      There’s a thing called paternity tests. That’s the best way to determine the father of a child, not marriage.

      Besides, it’s like as if marriage is such a sacred institute. When half end in divorce, and the primary reason is for adultery, why would one hold out for marriage when chances are the “special gift” you give away is not that special, and you can’t re-gift it to the next man you marry.

    • MK says:

      02:47pm | 27/01/10

      Nige clearly has never heard of birth control…

    • Nige says:

      02:27pm | 27/01/10

      my first thought would be because “Sons” don’t fall pregnant.

    • Daniel says:

      12:55pm | 27/01/10

      Well lets just make sure that Abbott never gets to be Prime Minister.Australia will become the biggest joke in Asia otherwise.

    • TC says:

      03:44pm | 27/01/10

      As opposed to the perception of Australia now? There is no becoming Daniel, Rudd has ensured we’re already there

    • formersnag says:

      12:54pm | 27/01/10

      its amazing how horrible “good old fashioned honesty” is, to the supporters of green/labour politics.

    • Tim says:

      12:52pm | 27/01/10

      Hilarious James.
      You condemn Nige for using “Lefty retards”, then make a complete generalisation that conservatives are the only people that mis-spell ridiculous.

    • DocBud says:

      01:42pm | 27/01/10

      Does Mozilla help with punctuation, James? If so, I suggest you use it. Assistance with not mixing tenses would also help. Alternatively, you could just get a life.

    • Jon says:

      12:51pm | 27/01/10

      Both sides of the political foolishness has been contaminated with the religious virus and it’s seems the number of the infected is growing. Recently Labor announced with some pride that they would have a Muslim candidate in an election soon, maybe they can have an open debate about virginity in Sharia Law. I am sure they could have found ex-muslim atheist or secularist perhaps who would have been a good choice, they do exist. I don’t see how by adding more god brothers to the mix is good for the diversity of opinion on virginity. Both parties seem to have lost the notion of the independence of the state from religion and the promotion of a Secular Society. They are not appealing to the 25% of voters who are not religious and are from many different ethic backgrounds.

    • Megan says:

      12:46pm | 27/01/10

      David is this some sort of game you guys are playing? If your trying to discredit Abbott, you guys seem to be having the opposite effect. Julia Gillard has made a fool of herself by saying he is lecturing women about virginity. she is lying and everyone knows that.(have a look around at the blogs) He was answering a question about his own kids. And wether he should as a future leader of the country answer these sort of questions, well that’s up to him. I personally like the fact he can answer these questions openly and honestly. But if he didn’t I wouldn’t have a problem with that either. Let him answer what ever questions he like. He obviously isn’t obsessed with his popularity.

    • TC says:

      12:45pm | 27/01/10

      Something is seriously wrong when the people of Australia see honesty as a weakness in a potential leader. Im not trying to pump for a particular party but are we really that conditioned to the nebish and liars that we admire them?

      Abbott may not be the bloke everyone loves and we dont have to agree with him at all but at least you know where he’s coming from.

      On the other hand we have a guy who the public apparently loves but who is so devoid of a position or philosophy on anything and everything he is one big shade of grey. He stands for nothing, has no persona and whose opinions stem from everywhere except his own heart and head.

      I dont get it

    • Steve of Cornubia says:

      12:44pm | 27/01/10

      I hope Abbott continues doing what got him elected to the Liberal leadership, i.e. speaking his mind and being pragmatic. Even if this ultimately loses the election for him, which will depend on how the media decide to portray him (not looking good so far), I appreciate his honesty and wish more pollies had the guts to tell us what they REALLY think.

      In this respect at least, Abbott and Rudd couldn’t be more different.

    • Sonny says:

      12:43pm | 27/01/10

      When the alternative is the incompetent, arrogant, media hogging failure that is rudd, anyone is instantly better. Vote rudd out!

    • nic says:

      05:48am | 28/01/10

      incompetent? Rudd is not Bush… there is incompentent.
      Arrogant.. Howard was arrogant, that is why he lost the last election.
      Media hogging? Tony is out there discussing virginity in a women’s magazine in a desperate attempt to get some traction.

    • Anon says:

      12:42pm | 27/01/10

      Both men and women should have sex when they decide to. Whether their decision be based on their holy text or a personal belief or the fact that they choose to get drunk and do it at a party with someone that they’ve known for all of 20 minutes, it is their choice.

      Gender is irrelevant - I’m male, my first time was important to me not because of any mystical sky daddy or any one else but because of what it meant to me. For many it is no more significant than their first time driving a car or their first legal alcoholic drink, and marginally less significant than their 18th or 21st birthday party.

      I’ve been married a few years now and I’m not certain that I did the right thing. I’m not saying I should have had sex earlier nor that I chose the wrong person or that I in any way regret my choice. But my reasons for doing so are now coloured by my increased cynicism - my reasons for doing so related to trust, honour, loyalty, respect, sacrifice, devotion, commitment and ultimately the sealing of a life long promise.

      I still hold those ideals but I am not sure that they have their full benefit if the other person does not share the same view or is less committed to their professed belief. I’ve learned that despite my partner saying that they shared those beliefs, their actions some years later have proven the lie of those words.

      Even if it is vitally important to you, you can’t trust the word of the person that asserts that it is equally important to them. You quickly learn that the only measure that you ever have of any person is their behaviour. Their actions betray the lie of their words.

      Since being married, I’ve learned that my partner has “changed their mind” about many things (i.e have broken their promise). Despite everything that my first experience meant to me (and my partner claimed it meant to her) I’ve gained none of the things that were promised each other in that moment and it certainly didn’t ensure our commitment to our promises.

      My demonstration of my trust, honour, loyalty, respect, sacrifice, devotion, commitment and my belief in “one person for life, to the exclusion of all others” has been thrown back in my face and now I have nothing to show for it. I wasted it after all and, insofar as it relates to relationships, I consider my life to be over - I gave the thing that I consider to be the most valuable thing in my life and I can never give it again.


      But to the point at hand - Who would have thought it a self reporting religious person who has betrayed their faith when it was convenient. Wow. Knock me down with a feather… Did any one ever stop and think this self reporting of faith is a load of rubbish? It is a persons behaviour that indicates their faith rather than the words that spew forth from their mouth. Why do we pay heed to such self reporting - it is the actions that show a persons true values.

      Consider this, if a person is willing to break their promise to the person they considers to be the ultimate “judge” of all things, what possible issue could they have with breaking a promise to the electorate?

    • James says:

      12:40pm | 27/01/10

      “Lefty retards” nige?  At least form an argument, rather than just calling people names.  I also hope that every father with any aged daughter would think similarly, but “honesty” and “politics” do not mix well - just look at every prime minister we have ever had, or every single US President since their independence..  The fact that Mr Abbott cannot properly control his brain-mouth filter like any serious leadership contender should is a serious blow to his electability. 

      Off topic, I know but the spelling in some posts makes me absolutely sick.  It is “ridiculous”, people, r-i-d-i-c-u-l-o-u-s.  If you cannot spell such a simple word, please for everyone’s sake, use Mozilla and enable the spell-check function.  Why is it always conservatives who mis-spell ridiculous?  It is very hard to take a post seriously if it used words like “retards” and “crap” and if simple words are incorrect.  What are you, high-schoolers?

    • Adam says:

      11:49am | 28/01/10

      high-schoolers have an opinion too.

      Whilst abbott affects his electability we should probably praise such honesty instead of detesting it. Since when did we want our pollies to lie or simply not answer?

    • Kevin says:

      11:20pm | 27/01/10

      James, you don’t have to be religious to share such views (even though the issue of Mr Abbott’s Catholicism has been continually raised by his critics). For example secular author and lesbian Tammy Bruce writing in her 2003 volume, The Death of Right and Wrong, made this observation:  “‘Sexual liberation’ has simply become a code phrase for the abandonment of personal responsibility, respect, and integrity.”

      Scholars and academics also have noted the value in sexual restraint, and not opening the doors wide open to sexual abandon.

    • Brad Coward says:

      04:55pm | 27/01/10

      James….I don’t know why some conservatives can’t spell RIDICULOUS.  Why is it that all lefties mis-spell LABOR ?

    • Nige says:

      02:13pm | 27/01/10

      Whatever you think mate. I wasn’t aware I needed an argument in order to make a comment. Ohh well here goes…
      So how long did Honest John last for again?? See I would think honesty is better then spin. Abbot is a breath of fresh air. He says it as it is. He isn’t afraid to state his opinion and stand by it. I am somewhat amazed that you think the public perception of him being honest will make him unelectable. Sincerest apologies, you’re not a retard, you’re just delusional.

    • TC says:

      01:13pm | 27/01/10

      Wow James. Are you feeling all superior now?

      Not saying I agree with Nige but…

      What’s the difference between you categorising and calling people “high schoolers” and somebody else referring to “lefty retards”? Cant you see that this is ruddiculous?(Note the conservative’s spelling error).

      It is very hard to take a post seriously when the writer commits the same offence they are criticising in others.

    • H of SA says:

      12:32pm | 27/01/10

      I’m inclined to agree with you Penbo, I doubt many Australians would consider Tony’s view on pre-martial sex a vote changer either way.

    • Brett Sprague says:

      12:31pm | 27/01/10

      This is all hardly an issue. National reporters and journalists will stop asking these questions when they get bored with the result. They enjoy asking them while they are risky, while they have a chance of electoral harm. As soon as they see no more harm can be done they will quickly look for another searching question. I think this is a reflection on the reporters and journalists who are trying to determine exactly where the ‘moral majority sit’. If the answer shores up Abbott, expect them to turn on the Govt.

    • FTR says:

      12:31pm | 27/01/10

      GROW UP AND SMELL THE LABOR / MEDIA MANIPULATION SHEEPLE

      Asked what advice he would give his three daughters on sex before marriage, he told the (Women’s) Weekly:  ‘’I would say to my daughters, if they were to ask me this question … it is the greatest gift you can give someone, the ultimate gift of giving and don’t give it to someone lightly.’’

      Gillard could only wish that EVERY young girl had a father who would care about his daughter/s like this. He wasn’t telling every female what they must do.

      BTW I am 34 female and not catholic.

    • Chase Stevens says:

      06:24pm | 27/01/10

      Everything you wrote is a lie FTR, there are no girls on the internet.

    • Gaye Greenway says:

      12:31pm | 27/01/10

      Thats the problem David, politicians have the choice to answer questions or not. I prefer a politician who isn’t afraid to answer a question, rather than a polly who won’t answer the question because they’re afraid it may affect their popularity. This sort of attack on Abbott seems to be the theme by the looks of it, I think you may have to try harder, his honesty seems to appeal to the voters. What a refreshing change. Did you read Tracey Spicers piece? That was a goody too, don’t forget to refresh yourself with the following comments by the way.

    • Super D says:

      12:30pm | 27/01/10

      I think any politician or commentator who criticises Abbot should be required to reveal their own virginity story and contrast it with Abbotts idealised version.

    • Sherlock says:

      12:29pm | 27/01/10

      He told his daughters that it’s best to wait until marriage but if you can’t then at least use contraception.

      I would suggest that most people (ie. those who aren’t looking to make some sort of political statement) would consider that sage advice from a father to his daughters.

      However apparently Julia Gilliard was outraged at this. Accordingly I now assume that Julia Gillard’s advice to her daughters (if she had some) would be to go out and root like rabbits.

    • James says:

      12:43pm | 27/01/10

      Of course.  Naturally, anyone who disagrees with one thing automatically takes the completely opposite position.  Just like anyone who isn’t a communist, by default must be a Nazi, and vice versa.  Is this the tenor of debate in this country?

    • james says:

      12:29pm | 27/01/10

      “the danger for Abbott is that any airing of his private views will sound like a generalised public call for the women of Australia to keep themselves nice.”

      True, but only if the press misrepresents what he says, which in fact already appears to be happening.

      Maybe you should take Roxon to task about her nannying?

    • SM says:

      12:25pm | 27/01/10

      Abbotts comments were pointless and stupid and highlight the fact that as a political leader he is a complete lightweight

    • Darryl Price says:

      01:39pm | 27/01/10

      Pointless and stupid - a fathers expressed concern for his daughters? Do any of us really want our kids to repeat our own perceived mistakes whilst growing up?

      Political lightweight - it’s not like he’s on a cooking show, or writing a kids book?

    • nige says:

      12:23pm | 27/01/10

      seriously get over it you lefty retards. He is speaking from a dads perspective. I hope every other dad out there with teenage daughters has the same concerns about their children’s welfare. Honesty is a rare thing these days.

    • Lana Trembath says:

      12:15pm | 27/01/10

      You sound like your struggling with Abbotts honesty David, just like Gillard and the Government are.
      “This is exactly what has happened – not just with the predictable attacks from sworn enemies such as Julia Gillard, but across blog sites and the twittersphere from politically ambivalent women have interpreted Abbott’s statement as an unwelcome free lecture.”
      What a load of crap, from what I’ve read in the blogs and twitter, people don’t seem to have a problem with what he has said. Quite the contrary, most people appear to like his honesty and he was answering a question about his kids, not lecturing anyone. Julia Gillard has tried to chnage what his answer to a question was by saying he was lecturing young women on virginity. This has made her look like she has stooped to a lower level of distasteful smear to suit her own political agenda. Maybe your computer is playing up on you. Similar to Tracey Spicer’s rediculas attempt at smearing Abbott did you read the comments on that load of crap as well. Tony is gaining in popularity it seems, and his honesty in facing questions is working in his favour. Another poor attempt at trying to discredit Abbott. It’s hard to beat honesty hey Dave.

    • Adam says:

      11:44am | 28/01/10

      I think you mis-interpreted the article. Dave here was on Abbotts side and I commend him for not trying to distort facts.

      I am so upset by the media because I initially thought abbott was lecturing the women of Australia as well whilst I glanced at the evening news. To know its been so blatantly taken oout of context makes me wish there was some journalistic accountability.

      Control the media, control the house of reps.

    • Randal says:

      12:14pm | 27/01/10

      Abbott’s comments have been taken out of context by the Abbott haters who have been waiting for a slip up and have twisted his words meant to reflect a parents view that he would like his daughters to show respect for themselves and their bodies before giving away their virginity.

      This is certainly not a throw back to another age and I believe the vast majority of Father’s with teenage children would completely agree.

      That aside the essence of your article is correct and Abbott as Opposition leader needs to steer a course away from discussing moral issues as he is battling a perception that if elected he would impose his “archaic moral” views on the rest of us.

      This story should be a lesson for him, when asked questions about religion, sexuality or women, answer carefully say little and if possible decline to answer all together, as he can rest assured that the same questions will not be put to the Prime Minister, and even if they were he would in no way attempt to answer them as they are no win and divisive issues.

    • u says:

      12:13pm | 27/01/10

      Habitual honesty, eh. Yeah yeah, sure he is.

      Look, mate, bother about what he says. Just watch what he does. Far more sensible.

    • Elizabeth says:

      12:07pm | 27/01/10

      As an ex trainee Catholic Priest you would think Mr Abbotts comments should be more directed to those abused by the Catholic Church. Many many children in Australia and World wide had no say in when their “virginity” was taken. Australian women are are not married at a young age anymore, they choose far more wisely, and enjoy pursuing a career first. Would you suggest these women remain celebate till then?  This is a matter of personal choice who and when women choose a sexual partner and one that very few parents have any say in..as it should be. Perhaps Mr Abbott should continue with his traineeship as a Catholic Priest, it seems to be a more appropriate job for him.

    • J.T. says:

      11:13pm | 27/01/10

      One of the things I’ve noticed about lefties is that they can’t seem to stand anyone voicing an opinion that’s not in line with their own. Whatever you call it, they think their stupidity is validated if everyone thinks the same and agrees, if everyone said that copious fornication is good then it must be good. Never mind the herpes, the emptiness, the broken lives etc. But unfortunately this group-think is very fragile, weak like just-boiled-noodles, anyone in the group straying or someone calling the group on their stupidity can spell disaster. Hence, views like simply urging women to keep their legs closed is framed as, shut up and get back in the kitchen, and can never be tolerated.

    • Bald Eagle says:

      12:06pm | 27/01/10

      It’s OK for Abbott to “lose” his virginity pre-marriage. But women should keep theirs, because it’s precious, perhaps like Gollum’s ring! Not only does Abbott lose the plot with women through his interpretation of whats right and wrong for women, but his being the mouthpiece for the right wing nut jobs who have taken over the liberal party will ensure he never sits in the seat he covets most.

    • David Ready says:

      11:39pm | 04/02/10

      Tony Abbott said, quite openly and quite honestly, what he would tell his own daughters (not anybody else’s), IF ASKED. Tony Abbott doesn’t have sons. What do you want from politicians, for them not to say anything when interviewed on a personal level? I’d rather be known as a “right-wing nut job” than a bed-wetting, lip-biting, hankie-sucking, misty-eyed, lower-lip-quivering the-world-must-do-it-our-way lefty.

      We would also know that KRudd would hold exactly the same views, as would every other father in Australia. Tony Abbott does not strut his religion for a photo op every Sunday as KRudd does. the smarmy, sanctimonious ratbag he is.

    • Jimbo says:

      11:09pm | 27/01/10

      Abbott is not calling for some new law requiring that women be checked for virginity or something. No, he ain’t calling for the sex police to kick doors down in the middle of the night and demand a marriage certificate. All he is doing is urging, yes just urging, like telling a fool about to jump off a bridge, no don’t do it. He is just urging women to keep their legs closed until they get married. Having said all this, Mr. Abbott is not saying that you should be banned from going out every night and sleeping in a different bed with a different man. I’m told that this is somehow empowering for modern women, personally I think it’s a crock of shit, but hey, if you want to be the town slut and as long as I don’t have to pay for the consequences, you go girlfriend.

    • Sam says:

      12:05pm | 27/01/10

      If he could speak Mandarin, I’d vote for him!

 

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